| IVOD_ID |
15984 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15984 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-05T08:31:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-05T11:12:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:40:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d558f108d180b0e1bca3bf586b49d470b3be8d109af184be4b1cbf4dd873767e75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:04 - 11:12:00 |
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包括委員會出席委員9人與主法第二人數好我們宣布開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國113年5月30日星期四上午9時至12時38分地點紅蘆301會議室出席委員沈伯陽等10人、內席委員林德福等16人、請假委員林益君、內席人員外交部部長林佳龍及所屬人員、主席馬糟吉委員文君、 |
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報告事項一宣讀上次會議意思錄決定確定二邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況．並備質詢外交部部長林佳龍報告委員沈伯陽等19人質詢均有外交部部長林佳龍及北美司司長王良玉等即席答覆 |
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決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二委員所提口頭及書面質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請外交部與二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並附資本會委員令指定期限者從其鎖定三委員林益君所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報宣讀完畢請問在場委員對於上一次的會議議事錄有遺漏錯誤或需要更正的地方 |
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沒有的話我們議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況．並備質詢。宣讀完畢我先介紹我們在場與會的委員陳永康委員羅美玲委員沈伯陽委員 |
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這個退府會目前還是我們全院唯一一個部會鼓掌的這個基本上這個還好啦我們來這邊職權尊重未必要鼓掌那我尊重你們主委的領導好接下來介紹我們今天列席的官員首先今天由嚴德發主任委員今天是嚴德發主委首次以退府會主委的身份來到本委員會歡迎接下來是副主委傅政成 |
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副主任委員吳志揚．委長．委員長祖密簡世峰．委長綜合規劃處處長利以剛．委員長服務照顧處處長曹東發．委員長救養養護處處長周星國．委員長救學就業處處長池玉蘭．委員長救醫保健處處長張仁義 |
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事業管理處處長楊長正退除己副處處長羅馬可行政管理處處長張關宇人事處處長吳彥均政風處處長王文信會計處處長蔡進滿統計資訊處處長張志強 |
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法規會執行秘書陳敬儒臺北榮總院長陳維銘臺中榮總院長陳世安高雄榮總院長陳金順屏東榮總院長吳東林榮民榮眷基金會秘書長李世國 |
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好我們今天的會議請邀請新任退輔會主委嚴德發進行業務概況的報告並備質詢首先我們請嚴主委上台報告我普通介紹我們無人委員黃人委員黃人委員 |
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主席、各位委員先進大家好今天奉邀列席報告本會業務概況非常感到榮幸承蒙大院委員先進對本會諸多指導與支持謹誌崇高的敬意與謝誠本會是國家基於從功報勳 |
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為退出役官兵提供救學救業救醫救養服務照顧及退出給付發放等工作的專責機關未來將在既有的基礎上以行動與創新精神接近所能全面照顧農民榮眷 |
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實施傾聽榮民聲音做到榮民在哪裡服務就到哪裡以感動服務贏得榮民榮券及退出役官兵的肯定以下就工作現況與未來工作規劃重點向各位委員再報如後工作執行現況一、優化健康照護服務友善高齡醫養環境 |
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以建構榮總分院及榮家一條邊之三級照護服務網絡由榮總支援分院分院支援榮家如醫師人力等各級榮院督導榮家防疫作為辦理榮家失智防治預防及延緩衰弱失能及安寧療護與長照相關教育訓練課程 |
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培訓榮家人員安寧專業技能各級榮院設置榮民服務櫃台各榮總提供75歲以上榮民就醫綠色通道醫療服務舉凡掛號看病取藥及專人引導等均優先協助處理提高榮民榮院看診便利性各級榮院發展先端精準健康照護提升治療效能 |
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另外推動榮總榮家急診遠距醫療品質提升計劃由各榮總提供榮家住民遠距會診與醫療執行服務減少外送就醫落實醫療合一全方位服務照顧 |
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2284.821 |
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2、調整補助範圍標準,減輕農民生活負擔,經行政院在今年4月函附,同意調整就養給戶4%,發放每日每月就養給戶調整為15471億元。 |
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2290.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2312.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
2、因教育部定額減免學渣費,由於農民農園基金會補助,故暫停受理,就讀私立大學農民子女申請。公立大學補助,則由8000元,調整為1萬元。國外求學,頒發碩博士4名,調整為8名,每人50萬元。3、提高就業謀職媒合,多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2314.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2327.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
多元生涯規劃一、辦理專案徵才、擴大就業媒合成效至111年起規劃辦理專業技能官兵專案徵才平均媒合率高達79.6如下表請參閱 |
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2330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2342.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
結合國防部．勞動部．原住民委員會．辦理就業媒合．近3年即辦理476場次．27907人次參加．加穩定就業軍隊適用對象．介於退除役官兵．較缺乏民間職場技能．無法適應民間職場生涯． |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2353.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2362.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
透過穩定就業方案發起12個月的軍帖迄今到4月子長期穩定就業收賄人數及31352人 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2366.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2382.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
此案,去年5月總統公布施行,為符合多元就業形態社會需求增加自營就業者、從事農業者以及專門職業及技術人員的三類適用對象,亦可領取本軍帖,預計每年約160人受益,致精進職業訓練品質,提升訓後就業成效。 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2389.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2391.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
職訓中心．積極推動職人導向課程的認定．為於108、110及112年．獲得勞動部頒發訓練機構金牌獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2401.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2425.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
參考國家產業發展政策及企業用人趨勢與退出役官兵就業需求開辦課程以機械修復、機密機械、資訊服務等七類為核心課程規劃開設執訓班隊學員結訓後追蹤6個月前兩年就業率87.5如下表請參閱保障事業機構安全降低危安風險機率 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2426.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2443.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
投資事業將各類維安要求列為重要的考核事項導入科技監控諮詢系統降低維安風險做好人安物安事安強化安全在穩定環境中求進步農場核心服務區設有各類監測儀器 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2445.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2460.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
天然災害發生時採取安置、勸阻等方式將災害風險降至最低以維護遊客安全未來工作重點規劃本會為更能落實照顧服務對象、農民、農眷及退出役官兵未來將以農福處 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2462.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2488.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
為照顧服務中心整合地區農家、農院所有醫療體系老人長照機構安養養護區域資源積極建置以高齡長輩為中心的長照3.0優質醫養環境達到全方位醫養合一的目的另一產訓合一、產學合一的方針擴大結合民間專長技術與產業類別加速國軍退出役官兵就業謀職銜接媒合 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2491.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2507.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
精進各項榮民榮譽．退除役官兵照顧服務品質．能成為其最堅強的後盾．現就未來工作規劃重點．分數如何．一整合地方社福資源．照服地區弱勢榮民．運用資源建置完整照護網 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2508.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2529.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
本會會以融服處擔任地區資源整合的平台,整合地區容院、容家及公司社府資源,鏈接非營利組織及慈善團體愛心,募集民生物資及善款,充實容院、容家醫療及照護設施,容總及分院以充分資源照護榮民榮眷,加強高齡訪視,落實照顧榮民榮眷。 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2534.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2553.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
運用各容服處、責任區域的輔導員以及社區服務組長進行區域內服務對象的訪視將服務對象區分特需、教需及一般照顧等類別才定時與不定時防止關懷訪視若是散居或高齡榮民榮券的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2555.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2577.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
而全面盤點85歲以上獨居、雙老等具高度脆弱性榮民榮眷協助裝設主動式連聚居章照顧系統使榮民榮眷發生危險時能獲得即時通報與救援擴大醫療服務照顧建置智能照護體系落實一養合一政策推動長照3.0目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2580.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2589.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
徵社失智床位服務能量,除現有7所農家失智專區有593床外,將在陸續徵社552床其114年可達1145失智床位,佔全國總失智床位6成以上一覽表請參閱二,徵取農家委外護理,改約用人員禁用 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2603.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2627.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
介於護理人員短缺、委外招募不易、流動率高的因素將向行政院爭取改採約用方式禁用可由保健組長、護理長直接管理並可逐年增加薪資待遇以維護護理人員穩定性及維繫照顧專業配合長照3.0政策依地方需求持續佈建住宿式機構 |
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2629.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2653.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
日間照顧服務資源施設社區服務據點與巷弄長照站等擴增服務的量能至新建直指治療中心臺北榮總已完成180例癌症患者治療臺中榮總新建直指治療中心後續每年可逐步增加照護癌症患者達250-600人全面配置智能化服務擴展醫療服務據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2656.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2671.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
導入智能化照顧服務因應照顧需求全面導入智慧床墊及生理監測儀等智能照顧設備有效提升照顧效率整合榮民醫療及長照資訊優化智慧管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2673.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2701.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
為提升臨床研究品質與發展智慧醫療以由臺北、臺中及高雄農種建置重大疾病如癌症等醫療數據主題式資料庫一律精準醫療診斷及照顧等相關應用另為擴充農業體系其他醫療及醫院營運資料交換應用也規劃在114年到115年建置去識別化後 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2702.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2703.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
為整合各級容院醫療資訊及社區式長照服務居家照護資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2721.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2736.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
臺中榮總規劃建置居家醫療整合照護服務社區整體照護服務平台完善個案連續性照護與品質臺北榮總府通過國科會四年級高齡照護科技專案補助計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2738.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2753.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
應用體系內三級照護架構收集慢性病與健康照護資訊傳輸到臺北榮總雲端伺服器共同照護平台以落實分級醫療並提供智慧化管理達到高效能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2754.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2757.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2779.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2803.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
職能轉換的基準．加速重返職場．以國安部研議建置軍職職能基準．以及軍職專長轉嫌民間職業的對照系統．協助國軍退除役官兵．依個別專長、學士及專業．順利轉嫌民間就業．加速重返職場．擴大產學及產訓合作．增進就業選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2805.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2826.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
本會議與國內辦學基優大學院校、優質企業共同辦理產學合作,今年將擴大於6都辦理,預定訓額100人。另外,辦理產訓合作與大類光電等單位合作,辦理光電人才等產訓合作班,其訓後就業率達100%。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2828.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2850.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
今年更擴大合作企業,預定薪額是260個,在研議學習生活津貼安心取得專業智能,針對參加產學合作與產訓合作之退除役官兵,發給相關學習生活津貼增加取得參加誘因。科證嚴厲相關實施計劃,爭取預算,預期每年輔導退除役官兵參加產學合作, |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2856.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2881.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
一百人．產訓合作兩百一十個人．滿足支押發展需求．四．積極爭取榮民福利．完善照顧服務權益．予爭取恢復上校階以上．擬碰人員子女教育補助．基於從功報勳之肯定．予大院4月29日臨時提案．退伍軍人學費補助．予政府補助公私立大學學費差距大幅減少．有關上校階以上．擬碰 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2882.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2907.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
人員資理教育補費之事．應積極研議並爭取以促進退伍炮災權益之決議．以5月6號含請行政院建議恢復。2、調高救養農民商帳補助．減輕家屬經濟壓力．由原補助4萬元調整到5萬元．協助家屬妥善處理．頑固農民身後商帳事宜。5、強化事業營運管理．增加安置基金收益。 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2908.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2931.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
增加農場經營的項目,提升土地應用效益,修正農場管理經營辦法,增列提供綜合性觀光服務,住宿、倉椅、零售等多元經營,並增列太陽能與生殖能等綠能科技經營項目,增加安置經營收益,精進轉投資事業績效目標,嚴格要求經營成效。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2933.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2957.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
為擴展退出役官兵照顧服務、安置基金與民間合資、陸續投資各項事業獲利益助、就學、執訓、經費的需求,並提升農民安置率,逐期檢討投資事業營運的狀況,將公司盈利作為會見首長考核續任的重要項目,以為本會的權益,深化國際退學互動。 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2958.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2976.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
拓展退休的機制交流配合國家整體外交政策派員常駐華府協調德州軍人公墓設立我國海外訓練訓職將士紀念碑並以巨幅中華民國國旗參與華府美國國殤日的遊行今年新增出訪英國愛爾蘭捷克 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2978.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
3007.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
欧洲国家未来将持续出席美国三大退协联会,并力强化情谊联系,深化退伍机制的交流、结语,本会核心价值是忠贞、团结、关怀、诚朴、开创,并以纯诚务实态度做事、执行、服务、照顾等六大核心工作。希望各位委员先进,不吝指教与督测,恳请支持相关辅导安置及照顾政策,以为施政之一贯性与延续性。报告完毕,恭请指导。 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3009.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3031.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
好謝謝主委那我們現在開始進行尋答本會委員6加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘10點半發言登記截止那如果有任何臨時提案請在10點半以前提出我們在11點左右會試尋答請進行處理首先第一位進行尋答的委員是羅美玲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
3039.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3042.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
謝謝主席,有請嚴主委來,主委請主委好,主委我們榮民榮眷基金會在去年發表了臺灣第一本帶領孩子認識軍人的這個會本就是守護臺灣領土的海空英雄跟即刻救援的路上英雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
3068.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3079.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那當然這是屬於我們全民國防教育向下抓根一個很好的一個計畫那我們除了出版這個繪本之外呢基金會還將這個榮民帶進了這個各大校園化身這個說故事的大使那將他們的這個故事還有這個軍人的故事呢帶到孩子的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
3088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3088.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
兵輔導委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
3118.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3118.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
李慧琼議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
3142.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3167.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
畢竟是屬於全民國防教育的一部分我們在這部分的推廣除了本席所提到的這幾個方式之外幾個管道之外那還有沒有經過像我們有沒有經過現在孩子很喜歡的像Podcast或者是這個Blog之類的我們來做類似的推廣我們的計畫到底是怎麼樣的一個計畫不是說不是只有單純的在校園裡面講故事吧是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
3169.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3195.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
請問主委謝謝委員委員對我們榮民農業基金會這項作為是指指肯定我們也非常謝謝委員我想全民國防是非常當尤其現在當前其實是非常重要的工作要推廣全民認識國防所以我們這項榮民農業基金會的著眼就是從小學從最年輕的年輕開始發起 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3197.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3223.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那從112年開始是由創意行銷公司跟文化事業公司來發行的第一套的這個兒童的國防繪本那些推動狀況呃呈如剛剛呃委員所看到在113年的時候呃我們是選定了全全國全省考30個軍事基地的地方的學校來推廣這個呃這個這個這個全民國防教育的兒童的國防繪本 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3224.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3239.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
目前我們所了解的回應狀況也非常好目前已經執行了大概有7個學校我們還會持續在推動我們依據現在目前推動成效的狀況未來我也跟榮民榮建基金會研究將來把它擴大來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3241.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3241.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
委員會主任委員會主席 |
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3261.136 |
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內容我們都會在其他相關的一些資訊網絡上面再來做一些推廣我想我請人民中介基金會的代理的董事長跟您再做詳細的一個報告是 |
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委員好,我是榮民榮眷基金會秘書長,非常感謝委員的肯定。那麼我們當初製作這項繪本是基於我們覺得有感於全民國防的重要,所以我們在112年,我們就委請了創意公司及文化公司來共同來製作。那我們規劃從今年開始, |
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就選擇具有軍事背景及軍事院區跟學校附近的國小30所來進行先行來做試行目前我們已經執行了有餘生國小7所學校試生參加有335人反應非常好也獲得了好評 |
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我們是準備在今年把所有案子執行結束之後我們會綜合檢討實際的效益評估後續的系列化的發行持續發展新的教案教具甚至推轉到國中跟高中這方面來去深化去延續剛剛委員有指導有關於運用媒體的推播部分這個部分我們會跟行銷公司做持續的洽談去做開發 |
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藝術長 |
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這個會嗎?也是屬於全民國防教育之內的規劃嗎?那除了這個部分之外,其實像過去的話我有看到像公視曾經推出了這一個是時代的影集叫做一把青 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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我們也希望就是說除了保存這個過去的這個歷史之外其實我們也希望說建立新一代榮民的這個優質這個形象所以我們也希望說我們榮民榮賢基金會其實可以跟文化部來做一個合作然後對新一代的這個榮民的這個形象呢可以來做推廣然後讓國人也更加了解對這個軍人給予支持這是給我們榮民榮賢基金會的一個建議 |
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退伍會三大金雞母 |
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這一個清淨農場福壽山還有這個武林農場可是我們發現就是說像這個這個福壽山跟這個清淨農場其實近年來業績都是在穩定當中成長可是呢就是武林農場最近呢就是有業績有下滑的這個趨勢 |
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那其實本席有看到就是說我們這個武力農場的業務收入明細表裏面就是在這個露營區的部分就是這個業績滑落比較嚴重的這個部分那這部分的話是不是說我們應該要來說明它到底發生了什麼事情為什麼在這個營運上面那個露營區的部分是比較不如預期呢 |
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請問主委跟委員報告武陵農場這三年勞務的收入113年收入下滑他主要原因是他第二個賓館進行換月的整修那整修之後他房客當然是會減少減少大概5萬多人5萬多人所以他衰退了有11.4%這是主要的原因 |
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當然剛剛委員所提到的露營區的確是有一些問題那我們檢討第一個就是喉癌喉癌搶食的問題這個要怎麼處理呢確實是網路上的評價是這麼說的迷喉過多所以我們就盡量設置一些 |
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警語跟告示牌不要餵食不要挑釁不要接觸像這些告示牌然後可能我們還要再加派國家公園裡面這些巡檢員去巡視巡檢去看看這些危害的情形我們都會這樣子做還有一個是環境的改善 |
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本席提醒一下退府會 |
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侯子的問題不要退輔會自己處理會議一下農業部就是說保育這個不管是動物或怎麼樣任何的處理會相關業管可能比退輔會處理我很怕你們發獵槍下去就麻煩了好不好請坐請坐謝謝接下來進行詢答委員是沈伯陽委員 |
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主席 |
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委員好歡迎回到這個國防外交那這一個我還是一樣就是說我先重整一下之前的問題那大部分今天還是會關注在這個退降跟就業輔導這兩大問題上面那我就直接先從這一個新聞來切入就是這一次一樣就是一樣會有這一個黃埔那這一次我們可以看到 |
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專修班校友會理事長蔣承隆有講到說他要回到這個發源地要回到這個主校來慎重追援那這裡面有好幾個層次的問題那我一個一個來問第一個我想先問一下就是退輔會對於這個的立場就是說在這幾年呢在2023年的時候有講到三不原則不接受採訪不發表政治言論不要有媒體報導 |
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副副副副副副副副副副 |
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各位委員報告今年是我們黃埔建軍百年的孝慶這是非常重大的一個日子跟活動我們退府會有關系的以本會為目的的事業主管機關有36個退府的組織社團我們一直以來都在做宣導第一個就提醒 |
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要秉持對等尊嚴,然後遵守兩岸條例相關的法律規範這是最重要的,要記得保護自己不得從事防害國家安全和利益的活動這是第一個大前提當然第二個就是委員剛剛這裡面所提到的三不原則不接受媒體採訪,不發表政策,不要有媒體報導另外我們特別強調 |
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王牧百年孝敬的陣頭是在我們臺灣的鳳山 |
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因為先總統蔣公當初創校第一任校長來我們鳳山副校也是先總統蔣公所以這才是陣頭我們一再的宣導當然我們退伍軍人這些相關社團他們都非常都非常是大體都非常明理展現大仁大義的精神就我們現在所了解 |
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主任委員會主席 |
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據我瞭解大概會超過一萬人去參加這兩天的活動兩天的活動所以我也感謝在這裡感謝我們退伍軍人先進前輩大家的支持跟配合我們所瞭解的狀況是這樣的跟委員做回報 |
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第二就是剛剛前面有提到就是在6月15跟16號的時候我們自己也應該會有活動所以可以跟他去辦在同一個時間這才是重要的為什麼就是因為像我們看到這一個七天六夜之旅他這個65歲以上要1萬765歲要1萬9這個金額其實跟以前比較起來看起來是比較高所以當然對我們來講就是說這個金額高的時候他們當然會比較不願意去 |
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但是如果他的金額變成只有7500跟9500的時候他的誘因還是會在所以就像剛剛竹偉講的其實不能只是我們不可能跟他做這種金錢上的角逐而是因為把這一個話語權搶回來應該還是比較重要的事情好那我接下來要問的第二件事情就是呢因為退降畢竟還是這個中國滲透非常重要的一個對象 |
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前幾個月我們在討論這些所有滲透事項的時候大部分來講可以看到中間這一排的工具就是旅遊、金錢跟發展願景這幾個它不太會有其他的理由它要麼就是用旅遊要麼就是用金錢做引誘要麼就是用發展跟願景那這個旅遊這個部分一直以來我覺得是比較難掌握的地方 |
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因為之前主委已經接近520的交接所以沒有辦法做盤點但我希望看能不能在這兩個月的時候看能不能先稍微掌握一下目前從事這個旅遊業相關的大概到底有多少人因為畢竟這個是屬於高風險不代表他們有問題 |
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只是說這個風險存在因為這是一個標準對方要來接觸我們退降的一個方式那金錢我剛剛講過你不可能跟他做金錢的這個競逐所以這個部分先擺到一邊那最後這個發展跟願景我覺得就是重要的所以接下來呢就是關於我們的這個就業相關 |
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福利相關的我相信很多委員應該會關心所以就業我記得上次在最後的時候有提到這個職壓發展對不對那我先從這一次的業務報告來看就是我們有看到這個是專案徵才活動那可以看到這個參加人數跟這個這個媒合率看起來是不錯但是因為參加人數跟那個退的人數看起來好像有一個落差所以是不是可以先說明一下為什麼他的參加人數跟這個因為畢竟不管第一類還第二類都已經有上萬 |
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這一個為何參加人數沒有那麼多的原因為何這個我跟委員說明一下他這個是專案徵才所以專案徵才是針對特定的專長像國軍來講他有化學兵有工兵有資訊通訊這些這是屬於特殊的專長 |
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針對這些人來辦的一個偵查活動所以他人數自然是比退伍的要少因為退伍的除了這些專長之外其他一般初級、中級、高級專長總統統都在這裡面所以他人數是多的那這個專案偵查活動只是針對這個特定的人辦的那第二個可能就這些人我們通知他或者他要接受但當天他可能也不一定來得了因為部隊畢竟還有部隊的任務 |
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這兩個因素委員會就有回報這兩個可能是沒辦法一致的那這個專案真才這邊就點出一個問題就是說其實在專案的部分因為他本來就是有一定的專長所以他媒合率自然會高那如果不能被分類在這個裡面的人對我們來講我們還是需要能夠輔助他就業嗎這會是重要的 |
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所以這就是又回到之前講到這個質押探索就是說我看一下往下就是說我們的這一個質押探索營目前是15個場是450人那一直以來呢就是就我們自己的了解質押探索是可以讓他自己知道他可能要往哪一個方向發展那當然呢我覺得這也是蠻重要的因為最近立法院有一個壞習慣就是說呢我們認為重要的比如說我認為這個質押探索營要辦15場我覺得太少 |
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所以我乾脆立一個法說一年要辦300場預算要放個1000萬這是不合理的事情立法委員的職責應該是我們建議說我們目前看到的在執行上面這個執行看起來特別好那如果特別好的話行政機關才是真正了解的那行政機關就應該要可能編列在預算裡面 |
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我請池組長跟您報告 |
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趙偉委員大家好我是舊學舊學處處長跟委員報告職在探索營的成效都是高達百分之九十幾的一個滿意度成效非常好那但是因為這些參加人員的對象是要由國防部來提供那國防部坦白講因為他的戰訓本部的任務是非常的多 |
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因為時間的關係,那我就先到這邊,謝謝 |
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好是謝謝沈博耀委員接下來有請王定宇召委好謝謝主席麻煩顏主委顏主委 |
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委員主委今天是你第一次以退輔會主委的身份來到我們301但這裡你不陌生我們在這邊共事大概有三四年的時間歡迎你來那今天我就一些延續性的政策問題向主委請教相關的業管單位如果需要補充的就自己上來我就不另外請了 |
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在4月29號本席做了一個臨時提案當時這個臨時提案的基礎是在於賴清德總統他補助私校學費每年三萬五千元的基礎所以財務結構已經改變有新的變數那原本我們的退役人員子女的教育補助費只補助到中校 |
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那因為擴大也就是賴清德總統從選舉到真正執行擴大了私立學校所有的孩子都能夠補助到三萬五千元所以回來省市我們上校子女跟中校子女的差額就有一個三萬五的基礎距離就沒那麼遠 |
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所以在這個基礎下呢財務的結構改變所以當時我們在4月29號吧做了一個臨時提案當時臨時提案也感謝本會的同仁不分黨派的委員都參與連署那這個事情目前我們是建議提升到上校以下目前退府會處理的進度 |
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是不是請這個主委報告一下跟召委報告這個議題恢復上校階以上領奉人員資歷補助費我們退伍會一直以來都積極的爭取從107年希望能夠恢復因為上校他們退伍的年齡大概在50歲上下所以他們的子女大概都在讀大學 |
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委員會主任委員長 |
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很多個理由啦我剛才講第一個財務結構因為新的賴清德政府已經把私立學校的子女補助到3萬5了嘛這是財務的理由一個實況的理由我們都了解退伍軍人在中校跟上校之間退休給予差異其實沒那麼大 |
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所以當時這個行政命令這條線劃在那裡我們也認為有可以再討論的地方那本席是樂見這件事情往正面的方向去處理那我們也看到你們5月6號發了公文到行政院但行政院財主人事到退回你們是一體的你們叫行政部門我們也希望行政部門能夠有一致的態度那怎麼處理這件事情我們現在就從財務上來看我剛已經講了經過精算 |
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因為私立學校三萬五千元的補助已經有了所以那個差額會讓上校子女納入教育補助費的話大概金額是在五千一百零五萬四千元的預算需求這是財務的部分在做法上也就是法律上該怎麼處理 |
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有人認為說應該用提修法來處理本席認為任何方法我都尊重但本席要提醒在增加預算的預算案或者其他方式的提案修法案等等要求行政部門做增加支出之提議 |
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如果行政部門我指的是行政院整體是不同意的認為至愛難行的這可能會違反憲法70條跟大法官釋憲391條所以一件我們有共識的事情我們應該尋求比較適當的方式來做而不是陷入政黨的競爭啦政黨的彼此之間的立場啦甚至於陷入了憲法上 |
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可能有違憲的疑慮所以修法有一個前提以前什麼也修法那必須是行政部門同意也就是行政權同意跟立法權有經過充分的溝通那就沒有跟憲法第70條跟釋憲文391條有所焊隔那當然還是要大法官來解釋有沒有違憲我只是說那個程序上可能有這樣子的一個情形 |
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事實上如果要增加上校的子女列入我們教育補助費的話我們看一下文號當年怎麼處理的當年退輔會修正把那個叫退休這個指令退休奉善養金或生活補助費的人員子女教育補助費他有一個叫做發給作業要點他其實行政命令所以如果本席在429這個提案 |
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行政院跟推幅會認為可行事實上你們就把作業要點做修正就可以執行了不用用到修法所以有幾種不同的做法所以我會建議推幅會競訴跟行政院跟人長跟財主單位溝通好 |
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如果不能做也明確表達至愛難行之處在哪裡我們用臨時提案其實就是建請讓你們好好去研議而不是用我們的立法權去強迫行政機關一定要花什麼錢那個其實有憲政上的漢格那如果認為可行我們也希望禁訴因為下學期8月1號開始能夠禁訴8月1號以前透過作業要點行政命令的處理呢讓上校子女可以納入我這樣建議我不曉得我們主委有什麼想法 |
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謝謝趙委指導,我們照趙委的指導來進行,我們盡速跟行政院去協調那希望我們盡快啦,卓院長那邊或者是相關人長、財主單位,我們希望在未來這一兩個禮拜可以看到比較好的這個方向的發展那我接下來要請教主委,你看一下我們的退服會所屬醫院護理人員 |
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在全國護理人員的離職率平均數是大概2021年2022年呢都在10%上下大概10個百分點上下就發現這個2022年呢高榮有比較高一點他上面寫一個實質的實際離職率是8.9那 |
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後來到2023年是10.6等等但是全國平均還沒有算出來我現在請教就是說全國缺護理人員我們現在站了一排的院長我現在沒有想到說那麼多人出來要不然我們那個北榮院長留下來當代表就好了其他先請回 |
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那個其他的院長我一樣尊重我認為不用那麼多人上來這個問題其實是醫界共通的問題護理師離職率過高人力不足甚至於在其他的醫院體系像我們台南的有一間醫院還因為醫生夠但護理師不夠把整個樓層的病房關掉要等招募足夠的護理師我不知道主委對於我們因為我們的 |
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農民醫院對照顧農民農眷還有一般大眾其實很重要我們也是長照各方面的指標啦我不知道我們的不管是就醫處還是院長這邊還是主委我們的護理人員你們現在有沒有什麼樣的因應的方式提高他的留任或者增加聘任人員請回答 |
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跟昭偉報告我們榮總的護理人員離職率我們的平均值是並沒有高於全國那目前第4屆我們的離職率也只有2.3成為這張表裡面所顯示的那剛剛昭偉所提到的高榮護理人員他的離職率據我的了解主要是屏東榮總屏東榮總成立之後他 |
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高榮這裡面唯一的離差數據其實是高榮五六流高榮的院長你幫他講啦就是說高榮的離職率特別要是因為有人力撥到屏隆去叫屏隆對撥到屏隆可是撥走了高榮本身那些職缺是移走了還是還有職缺在那裡要等待補充 |
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沒有 後續的話就是因為他成立屏隆所以他有一部分人力直缺分出去了對 但後續他會再補充所以他那個直缺還是在高隆對 還是在高隆所以屏隆是新增的開圈是新的對所以現在高隆就變成人力短缺嘛 |
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他就是持續會再招募新的人員進來陳院長你可以先請回我請高榮院長來這個有沒有影響他們的業務其實護理師阿長這個對醫院的業務很重要你現在把他人力分到高榮可是高榮本來是新的職缺為了成立這新的醫院把人先分出去高榮現在護理師不足有沒有影響你們的業務謝謝各位的關心目前是沒有影響我們醫療業務那我們就不用補了把缺去掉就好了 |
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沒有原則上我們原來職缺的話大概群院啦你現在告訴我沒有影響業務嗎因為你的服務的群 |
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那個base不變嘛,然後你把人力撥到屏隆去了,你這邊出缺不管是8.9或18.3,完全沒有影響業務,那我會建議退輔會主委這些缺就不用補啦,預缺不補啊。不好意思,在109年開始的話,我們就開始培訓人員啦,那開始109年到110年總共培訓了大概300多位的人員。應該有影響吧,你講沒有影響幹嘛培訓人員? |
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培訓人的目的是要把他轉到那個屏隆所以在屏隆開幕的時候我們大概有344位我還想要了解說缺了8.9或缺了18%這些人去屏隆支援我知道嘛你現在訓練的人要回到高融或去到屏隆都是就像撞球一樣嘛一個補一個嘛那你該告訴我說你們現在缺了8點多完全不影響高融的業務那你何必補人勒 |
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持續還是要補人 因為一定會影響但是我們原則上我們從微數的話院長我不為難你啦從不會影響到現在一定會影響我如果接下來問你影響哪裡你要怎麼回答 |
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有影響因為護理人員醫療人員其實有他的辛苦這些辛苦過勞會導致他你再高的報酬他走就不回來不要把人抄到留不住軍中也一樣我們應該是在適當的工作的loading然後就要開始讓人力能夠補充上來 |
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人不是機器啦所以我希望各位院長人力不足導致業務上的困難或者我帶的所屬工作過重要勇於說出來那當將來年底的預算會結束你要增加預算才有個理由嘛因為軍人或軍醫的習慣都打包票絕對沒問題你那個沒問題會導致困難啦所以這部分我們要再繼續溝通謝謝 |
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好謝謝王定宇召委接著我們邀請的是林楚英委員葉主席主席有請顏主委來顏主委林委員好 |
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主委好 那麼剛剛有關於王定宇委員所問到的當然就是有關於我們退休的軍官那麼子女的教育補貼的部分那我想這個站在退服會主委的立場一定當然是希望照顧所有的這些退役的將領跟軍官 |
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那麼當然這個財政的部分也必須要做一個考量那麼立法院一直以來其實就是我們對於這個行政部門有認為不足的部分我們會提取來做一些修法或是監督但是這樣的建議的部分當然還是要斟酌來考量整體國家的財政 |
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但既然5月6號退伏會這裡已經跟行政院有一些文書上的往來跟建議的話我也建議主委要回去在行政院內部做一個好好的溝通因為講來說實話我們國家整體的財政這個餅就這麼大那這個餅這麼大底下我們要照顧的各方面其實都有 |
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所以也希望主委在回去的時候能夠緊速來做一個討論因為我相信所有的這些國軍弟兄們也都在關注跟了解好 那麼我接下來要詢問的題目其實也是跟當然您的這個有關係就是首先我想請問的是全國有多少的榮家退府會底下的榮家有幾間您知道嗎榮家有16所 |
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對16所那這16所的榮家齁他們當然就是照顧我們退役的這些弟兄們的需求那麼我這樣請問您榮家等不等於我們長照當中的一環的一個機構 |
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我們榮家現在也有在辦理長照的服務是那麼因為我們除了這些退役的榮民來使用之外他其實也有把一些床位撥給一般的民眾如果有空床嘛對不對好那不論如何其實他所做的這個所謂服務的內容是 |
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政府在推長照是普遍獲得全民一致的肯定的那麼為了讓長照更有規範的時候我們有一個長照服務機構的定型化契約 |
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原因就在於對於這些進駐到這些長照機構的不論是民眾或者是所需求者來說他會有一些契約上訂定的時候他是屬於比較弱勢的一方因為機構權力畢竟還是比較大 |
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那麼我找到一個部分是長照的定型化契約比如說第15條來講的話返還膳食費機構如果這個當事人因為有其他的理由到機構外連續兩天以上那麼就會返還相當的這個所謂膳食那麼但是如果是以養護長照的這個定型化契約來講的話他其實就變成是你要依這個定型化契約來做規範 |
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但是本席所找到的我們的榮家的很多的這個版本啊都是各自為證我剛剛提的是長照服務機構這個是在我們長照推定之後給予的相關的範本就以第15條連續在外生活的日期我們的長照定期化契約是兩天喔兩天就要訪環人家喔可是我們的榮家裡面有的是三天甚至於還有這中 |
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中章的容加是規定到7天我會特別剛剛用這個來詢問主委的就是說我們容加照顧我們的退休的軍官不是要給予的條件應該更好嗎對我我認為啦我個人認為如果可以的話至少你應該要跟上長照定型化契約長照機構的定型化契約而不是我們沒有經過一些修正然後沒有跟上該有的進度 |
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包括這些規範我想主委您一來看你就會發現說好像我們榮家不只是各自為政自己來訂定自己的定型化契約甚至於這個定型化契約是沒有跟上現在我們有關於衛福部針對長照服務機構的定型化契約本席有問過衛福部衛福部說因為榮家不是他們所管理的這個部分但是 |
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開場我就問主委了我想很明確的告訴你是我發現這個定型化的契約好像是在106年制定的但是我們現在已經來到了 |
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來 主委 |
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謝謝委員的指導我看了委員剛剛的質詢的資料我也很訝異這個我們榮家如果是這樣的確處長就在我後面我們值得檢討因為我們榮家主要服務的目的就是照顧我們的榮民不管是他就養養護失智長到這一塊這是應當要能夠優化那如果委員這個指導這裏面定性化區域是這樣的話我們應該回去要做修正 |
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好那我希望說給這個主委跟退輔委這邊一點時間我們來全面檢視尤其是剛剛主委提到嘛16家結果我一一來翻閱他們的定型化期會發現各自為政然後沒有一套的標準而且變成是因為我今天申請到的床位或是我現在所在的居住地那規範不一樣一個連續外宿幾天的部分就有7天有3天各不相同來幫我下一頁對 |
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所以我希望主委是不是可以給我一個時間點我們多久可以來顯示或者是我們請這個處長來回覆有多少的時間然後我們來做一個回覆好不好 |
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報告委員好,我是市局長楊淑儒,署長鍾玉國,我們本來是按照老服機構設施設備,長照這邊,但是這個長照是優於我們老服機構,因為兩天外可以退伙,下去我會全面來檢討,大概您給我三個月時間,我辦一些規定,農家自行的規定,我要統一化 |
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才比較適合的方式來滿足榮民圈的需求好太好謝謝處長因為我知道你們原本都是follow這個所謂遵循這個老福法但是我們知道在這個長照法出來之後呢它的整體的規範是優於我們榮家但我只想調教這一點就是我們既然身為退福會我們照顧榮民 |
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那麼前面有另外一個新法更優越更優渥的話再定型化契約其實定型化契約就是定在那裡摺幽來修改是摺幽修改好那就三個月的時間好嗎好那麼另外我要問的是來我們的往後就是其實本席在3月6號的時候曾經來下一張對再下一張有提出就是有關於退役的軍官前面我們講到的是照顧那照顧的部分我們摺幽來處理 |
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但是如果面對背叛國家背叛軍隊像這樣子以國安法被違反來判刑的我認為退休縫追回來是絕對天經地義這個必須要樹立的典範就是賞罰分明那麼本席當時就指出有將近4000萬的退休縫高達85%還沒有追回那麼這個部分是我在3月6號的質詢今天來到5月了已經過了兩個月請問一下有進度嗎 |
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如果沒有進度可不可以請主委也把它當成是你上任之後必須要處理的這個部分因為本席非常堅持那就是對於軍人弟兄的照顧不論是他們在職或退休之後絕對給他最好的照顧但是對於那些違規違紀的我認為就是要嚴格的懲處然後做一個處理 |
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跟委員報告違反國安法依法行政這是一定要追究的我們一定會貫徹免利那現在執行的進度我請處長再給你補充說一下請摘要 |
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委員好我是退出役副處的處長那有關於這個國安法有15個人我們已經完成7個人的收繳那另外8個人全部都已經移送法務部來做行政執行那後續每年在所得稅申報完之後我們在七八月間還會再做一次盤點做一次再這個移送以上報告好您很瞭解我因為我知道這個所得稅剛報完了所以後續我會繼續再追 |
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好謝謝林楚瑩委員各位請回接下來進行詢問黃仁委員有請謝謝主席有請我們嚴主委來主委請 |
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委員好你好新人新政新作風也希望有一個新的里程碑在你任內那當然我們看到你的業務報告裡面就是按就看這個就養的一個年齡 |
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那我就針對原住民的這個部分的就養的議題因為現在我們在中央人民會政策已經制定出來就是我們降低到55歲 |
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能夠得享以各項的一些補助那當然各縣市裡面就按照地方的收支財政作為劃分它的一個能不能補助那以中央的制定出這個全國原住民的政策裡面就是以55歲為標準 |
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所以我看這個就養業務是退補會最重要的一個業務當然我們這個榮民之家就等同我們的長照的一個一環本身認為之所以就養業務就是本意照顧榮民不只是榮民生活無欲也讓榮民尊嚴的生活如此才能 |
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提現國家對農民奉獻的一個感謝退不回的公費就養年齡定為61歲以上但卻沒有考慮到原住民的特殊性請問主委你認為這將原住民農民就養年齡認定規定降低 |
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跟委員報告我們在上個月28號也跟原民會去協調去協商瞭解原住民相關的一些目前的福利的措施誠如委員剛剛所說的降低55歲的案例這些原住民的給付還有這些健保這些都有很多的措施 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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那55歲到61歲我們現在就養是61歲那這個6歲的差距大概是2000多個人人數也不算很多所以基於照顧袍澤羅明的精神我們基本上我們會相關的一些就養的一些規定辦法原住民這部分條件要55歲然後我們要向行政院爭取納入法規的修正跟國防委員做報告 |
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好謝謝主委因為本席提出幾個字幾個數字認為主委為什麼讓原住民的公費就養應該降到55歲的原因跟理由第一 |
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原住民人口僅在人口數的2.5%但原住民在國軍志願役人數卻在高達8.7尤其是今時的特種部隊中族人比例甚至超過半數 |
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這顯示原住民對國家的貢獻應該得到的尊重第二關於年老部分原住民平均移民比一般少了7到10歲左右如果用一般人的老年來定義原住民的老年這是假平等那第三經濟狀況的方面110年度調查顯示原住民主家庭 |
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可支配所得的每一副是78.58萬元而一般國民可支配所得每一副是109萬.6元所以原住民的信息水準僅為一般家庭的七成所以第四現在原住民老人的這個政策降低標準為55歲的案例有 |
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原住民給付2新北市原住民健保補助3六度愛心勁勞勁勞卡資格4公費 |
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肺炎鏈球菌疫苗施打可見各級政府已經用實際政策在定義原住民的老人55歲所以主委希望能夠趕快定案那讓我們全國這些榮民榮健得到更加的一些照顧因為他是等同我們一般榮民之家的一個照顧的一環 |
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5684.853 |
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5699.948 |
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那另外我們追溯到這個原住民的傳統的領域那國民政府來台佔用不少原住民的傳統領域在其中退股會也有一些土地如何處理 |
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蔡政府前總統曾經針對原住民土地流失的問題說過追溯歷史的真相那其中就特別提到退補會那我們講 |
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原住民土地流失最主要的因為在民國36年當時以臺灣省政府制定一個土地清理辦法那結果把原住民的土地全部收歸國有那這些土地後來變成林務局臺堂包含我們退普會的土地那雖然民國96年 |
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5740.101 |
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行政院核定補助增化邊﹚原住民保留地及實施計劃但這主要是做清查的工作﹚原住民要處理使用傳統領域及土地的使用限制﹚所以 |
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本席認為說有一些閒置的空間是不是可以規劃我們這個原住民組的一個社會專屬社會住宅那因為在我看一下這個 |
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這個地方你看好原住民土地的權利恢復還有很長的路本席建議退不會可以換個思維就退不會現有的都會席閒置的土地或舊設看是否能夠供有原住民的專屬社會住宅以照顧我們這個原住民的這個榮賤榮民包含活化這些閒置的土地諸委聯委呢 |
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委員我請我們事業處處長跟您做一個詳細的說明好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正委員剛剛提的問題我跟您報告目前為止我們農場土地大概有6238公頃在原住民地區的土地有4810公頃剩餘1500公頃在平地地區 |
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不屬於原住民地但是沒有一塊土地是屬於傳統領域跟所謂的原住民保留區那真化邊的部分從民國109年開始申請以後總共申請了54公頃我們審查符合規定的完了51公頃剩下還有3公頃在各縣市政府的相公所在那邊審查如果符合規定我們一定會歸還這個土絕對沒有問題 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
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您好我們請主委嚴主委請 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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陳委員好 主委好主委我們今天在您拜會的時候我們有提到關於這個退伍軍人的就業輔導方面那特別是事先介入等等的那我今天特別想要針對美國在退伍軍人的這個就業輔導方面的成功經驗一方面分享給國人一方面跟主委討論我們有什麼可以更經濟的空間 |
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那我想大概在座的每一位我們的這個官員應該都很清楚的跟美國有很多很平板的接觸跟交流那他們的這個Transitional Assistance Program跟Veterans Employment and Training Service計畫就是在幫助退伍軍人順利過渡到民間職場那提供了全面化甚至我可以說是客製化的服務 |
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那這個計畫從士兵預計退役一年前就開始介入那主委拜訪的時候我們有提到說現在開始我們已經走這個路線了那提供這個包含自我評估就業輔導職涯規劃等等那還有特別去介紹每一種 |
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退伍軍人可以享受的福利這種預先介入全程陪伴的方式我認為是幫助軍人平穩的度過這個轉換期是非常重要的那這些服務在他們退役後的一年當然是繼續都會有處理那甚至對家屬而言這個有些服務是還可以終身那這種持續的支持表示說美國民眾還有美國政府對這些退伍軍人的這個長期的重視 |
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那在VETS計畫中也有一些亮點他們就是不只提供就業計畫就業媒合他們還十分保護退伍軍人的就業權益那他們計畫跟一些大型的企業合作這些大型企業當然不是像我們台灣這種新自備的而是真的是在市場上面這個私營的機構像是AT&T、沃爾瑪等大企業 |
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那這種提供給退伍軍人是很多元的就業選擇那特別是針對專業技術人員的支持像是美國的退役海軍少將我看他的像馬克蒙哥馬力他現職是在保衛民主基金會擔任網路跟科技創新中心的總監那另外一位是美國太平洋陸戰隊的前司令那之前是有率領27位27家美國的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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無縫接軌到一般的民間企業那這些過程當中我們是希望是加強這個部分而不是在我們看到其實也不僅一次了很多之前的主委也有提供一些我們相關的報告大概是說我們就業輔導的比例是多少多少是在新智貝的公司那百分比是多少等等這些都我不會反對因為這是每個人的決定但是就國家的長遠立場來說的話讓退役的從將官開始都能夠 |
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系統性的進入這個我們的國防產業鏈系統性的進入我們台灣最機敏的防禦的這個就他們退伍了還是國防的一份子這很重要我必須強調說在過去的二三十年來我們我們小時候所想像的農民通常都會加一個老字那現在沒有了在我們本辦公室大概 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
委員會主任委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
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有些我們在過去講到這些退伍的軍官也好或者是一般的士兵也好常常會被酸說是三保就是保全保險跟保塔那至少在我們辦公室過去其實蠻多人做過保全跟保險那還有一個是做過保塔的所以基本上三個職業在我們的過去的僱傭的部分都有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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但我覺得很可惜的原因是在於他們在他們的職能跟他們對工作的這一個奉獻度還有他們的努力程度其實在心中是訓練的蠻好的那我只是說我們前一張來看一下就是說像是剛才我們提到的 |
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網路與科技創新中心他擔任總監表示他過去在他擔任軍職的時候都有吸收這樣子的知識跟資源我們希望能夠加強這個部分那我現在想要請教主委的是說我知道退伍會現在是想要設法讓官兵弟兄在退役之前先跟業界對接啦那退伍會在挖掘和促進退役軍官專業技術人員的就業潛力方面 |
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還有沒有可以接近或者是提升的地方?特別是我剛剛提到的關鍵技術的部分是 謝謝委員指導有關於就業這部分我們退伍會的任務就是要怎麼樣去培訓退除役官兵他職場的跟外面的一個競爭的能力怎麼樣要提升剛剛委員指導了很多 |
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這裏面我們目前在我們就業事處規劃之下也都有考量把納入規劃包含國防也好科技也好航太也好以及當然講的網路電腦這些在專案徵才裏面我們都一部分把它來做一個做一個私信的一個宣導宣教那另外我們的重點剛剛我們在業務報告裏面也提了我們 |
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現在在國防部裡面部隊裡面他軍職專長怎麼樣跟民間專長能很快速的去借鑒然後很快就可以回復職場就看我目前也在做那幫剛剛委員所提到的這些那我想來詳細執行部分我再請我們就會處長的說明 |
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委員好 我是舊學階的處處長跟您補充說明就是有關於我們絕對是要輔導我們的現役官兵在軍中他的所學跟他的專長退伍以後絕對是有用的 |
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而不是說完全歸零然後只能夠像過去一樣您剛剛所提到從事三保的工作這不是我們現行的就業輔導的一個政策我們希望它就是為什麼剛剛我們主委已經提到這幾年我們一直跟國防部積極的在洽談把它在軍中的一個專長我們把它對接到跟民間能夠有一個盤點出來 |
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我簡單的再回應一下 |
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比方說我是希望說他能夠快速的代號化或者是系統化的意思就是說你在軍中你是負責跟cyber security相關的那我們可以把它作為分明別列他的能力到哪裡CS101隨便我隨便CSB等C等D等那這些等級就可以直接對接到這些企業相關的這樣子做對接那這些企業必須要認證喔不要說我們在軍中然後用最簡單的方式或者是最 |
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我相信是可以的因為很多這些軍中的人是他在高強度的訓練之後我相信他有足夠的韌性去面對這樣子的問題那過去在我的質詢我比較多時間是針對基層的官兵 |
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但是這一次我的質詢是特別是針對降級的這些軍官因為我不像他們退職之後的另外一個工作是到電視台來去發表對 |
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臺灣國防不信任的言論 |
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馬文君召委 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩請主委嚴主委請 |
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主委好謝謝歡迎我們嚴主委過去在國防在付出這麼多的心力那現在在接任我們退府會的主委相信其實也是駕輕就熟因為有很多相關的業務您大概也很容易就會去理解或者可以去解決謝謝 |
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我們在退府會其實他主要的工作大概就是提供我們退除役官兵還有金馬民防自衛隊員主要是提供給他們救血救夜救醫還有救養照顧服務以及退出給予的這樣子的一個主要的專責機關那在上一次馮主委最後一次巡打的時候本席也特別對於榮民救醫的部分在他 |
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目前現階段是有區別有職榮民跟無職榮民的這樣子的一個區分那他最大的差別就是像健保費的部分無職榮民我想今天又特別再提出來是希望 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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退伍會一直在輔導榮民的就學就業讓青壯年的榮民在退伍以後可以繼續的跟社會銜接而且可以貢獻所學甚至還可以解決目前缺工缺人才的這樣一個社會問題可是在過去這些優惠的 |
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條件的區隔其實似乎讓人家會感覺到這個好像是對有職農民就是你再去從事相關工作的時候對他們是一種差別待遇甚至讓人家覺得你有職業是一種罪過 |
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另外最重要的是因為行政院為了照顧警察消防海巡及空勤人員對於國家的社會貢獻所以從108年開始警消海巡跟空勤他不管是限職 |
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或者是退休人員還有他的遺卷他在就醫優惠的部分在退輔會所屬的榮怨他可以享有的優惠第一是掛號費全免由榮怨吸收第二就診及住院的程序是比照榮民來辦理第三個健保部分負擔也是全免 |
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還有第4個自費健檢安置就養的費用也是比照農民的優惠他幾乎跟無職業的農民他所享受的這些優惠待遇是一致的可是在這幾個方案當中他也沒有把警消還有這些海巡相關的退休人員他有去分有職業或無職業他是全體適用而且這是行政命令而已 |
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那對於有職榮民我們反而在榮院並沒有辦法享受到這樣的待遇其實就這個部分因為現在我們募兵這麼困難那榮民其實只要我們的兵役制度還像這樣的志願役的制度存在的情況之下我們一直會有榮民那你把它區分成這樣會讓他們的心理產生不平衡甚至有很多現階段尤其是我們政府單位 |
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謝謝召委的指導目前錦霄 |
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海巡、移民、空前人員、醫療照護在不分負擔他是免費的由單位編預算那對我們有職的農民他要來不管是20、50、70都要負擔只有士官跟士兵是百分之百我們補助其他都要致富所以這個很明顯是不公平的所以依據 |
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委員會主席 |
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報告稍微,我是就業保健處處長張仁義,現在目前正在作業,我們等於作業完會呈報行政院 |
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大概在三個月之內就可以完成作業就可以完成作業那需要做到什麼樣的程度可以執行這個我們要跟到行政院這個還要到行政院所以其實我提一個比較簡單的辦法因為我剛剛提到的錦霄海巡相關的人員其實他們是用行政命令我們現在目前現階段我們大概調查了一下就是說我們現在如果是有職的這些榮民 |
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其實他在榮院可能需要的經費一年才一千一百多萬 |
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我建議本席建議是可以由我們的基金先來吸收因為你你曠日廢時現在已經在執行的如果大家沒有辦法公平的對待我們的軍事官兵你要他現在付出這麼多的心力來保衛我們的國家而且現在在兩岸情勢這麼緊張的情勢之下其實我們希望有更多的一些 |
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委員會主席 |
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我們全力以赴,我們會努力 |
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好 謝謝接下來我想要請教第二個就是在馮前主委最後一次備詢的時候本席也曾經提到就是容院跟容家在藥事跟護理人員的編制裡面其實還是有那種過時的士跟士生級的就是護士跟藥劑生 |
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的編制可是因為容家還不能像容院這樣容院其實也有可是因為他是有些年紀比較大他還沒有到達退休的年齡可是他具備的是可能是護士或藥劑生的這樣的資格所以繼續留任可是我們容家沒有辦法這樣合併編缺使用的情況之下在這裡我要再次跟馮主委 |
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在這裡建議是不是就這個部分這兩類的考生因為護士最後一次考試院舉辦是101年就已經停辦了那藥劑生在82年就已經停辦了根本都沒有這兩類 |
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委員會主席 |
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請問主委你有什麼樣的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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接下來進行詢答委員李柏毅委員李柏毅委員李柏毅委員不在接下來進行詢答委員徐曉欣委員 |
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謝謝主席我們請這個原主委主委請主委你好 |
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各位好我知道您在國防部也待了一段時間那我想呢今天換了一個位置從這個照顧榮民照顧榮家的這個角色來說呢我們也希望看到的是有一個延續性過去呢我想外界對於馮世寬擔任主委的期間那都給他不管藍綠不分黨派給他很好的一個評價那我們也期許說我們的嚴主委 |
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那也能夠承接下來這樣子好的評價持續照顧我們的榮民跟榮家那所以我想要問的問題首先是在這個馮主委他離任之前我曾經問過他那是否會針對這個拆除包含退輔會等等的蔣公同項的問題 |
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他的回應基本上是蠻強硬的他說他堅決反對甚至他還描述了整個歷史的故事我們時間有限我也不特別去講那我們在這個powerpoint上面都有提到當時馮氏寬主委他認為他的這個對於拆除退府會相關蔣公同向的看法 |
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跟委員報告我禮拜一去了一趟臺北龍家去慰問 |
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那我看到臺北榮家他的安養他的養護的建築物前面有一個很大的畫像那畫像就是先總統蔣公跟蔣宋明林女士的一個畫像一個照片那家族人跟我報告說 |
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他每天有榮民去那邊把它擦得很乾淨去保養那這個小的故事跟我講的我的感覺我們的榮民前輩先進跟先總統蔣公在精神上是不可分割的所以我想我的答案很清楚現狀不能夠破壞所以銅像也好畫像也好我們要維持現狀不宜去搬動它 |
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最起碼文家榮院退股會的這些單位 |
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我不會動他好的謝謝您這樣子的一個回覆那再來我想要問的是剛才很多朋友也有問到這個我們的同事有問到關於護理師的人力問題那想要請問我們主委我們目前在退輔會有多少的榮家跟榮總的部分我們在護理師的人力比上面呢我們自己自認為是否在護理師的人力上面是足夠的 |
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跟委員報告我們龍家有16所是16所那龍院也是16個4個總院下面12個分院是總共數字是這樣那有關護理師人力的問題我們人總有規有規範 |
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好那你們北榮在回覆的時候我想特別在針對1這個病戶比護理師的病戶比目前的數字做一個詢問 |
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報告委員現在的北龍的護病比白班是5.5小夜班8.4大夜班11.0全日護病比是7.3都符合衛福部的標準但是你們滿意嗎 |
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當然這是全國性的護理師缺乏的問題,我們積極在努力,不過北榮今年錄取要來報到的到年底已經有253位,必須的害重。 |
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報告委員現在臺北榮總的我們是主要以治療重症為我們的本業所以現在目前癌症的病人開刀的人數都在成長沒有因為受到影響不過全國性的護理師的問題有些醫院的確面臨著窘境面臨這樣子的窘境還有就是關於護理師的薪資的部分這當然不是北榮一家醫院的問題這是全國的護理師都在爭取的問題但是我想要問喔作為北榮你們是否因為 |
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我們比較特殊我們跟其他的醫院醫院當然護理師他們都在爭取我想要詢問北榮是不是我們也會負擔這樣的角色一起來協助我們的護理師不僅是在病戶比的部分希望能夠下手給予我們護理師更好的照顧病人的機會以及我們在薪資的水平上面能夠有所提升榮總會不會向我們的行政院也去反映這個部分榮總的需求 |
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謝謝委員目前三個總院我們的護理人員的薪資是應該還有合理的薪資我們很幸運在輔導會的支持之下我們現在的工資比例是相當高北龍有70%到公子那公子是一個誘因因為他薪水相對的穩定那所以我們會起帶頭作用來跟全台灣各醫療體系來一起合作希望我們的一起努力 |
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那再來齁我想要請問的是我們嚴主委喔有關於這個86年班女性士官的權益的部分退休部分的這個事情我相信這個嚴主委應該是非常的清楚可不可以向我們先稍微說明一下這個我想請我們舉部處處長就說看我演什麼 |
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來我們關於86年的這個女性士官月退奉少了一萬元的事情我相信大家都非常清楚因為過去開過很多次的這個公聽會比方說我們在這個月退奉的比較表上面可以看到84年搬起85年搬起跟86年搬起因為86年他落在107年兩次軍改的中間所以你可以看到他的月退奉是少了一萬元的 |
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可不可以說明一下委員這跟年改有關係跟年改有關係對沒問題我們任何人來說明我都願意委員好我是退出祈福處處長有關於86年班的這個月退奉的問題主要的就是因為他其實他在那個年改之前就辦理退伍了 |
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我知道我問一個問題我們當時是否有針對事情開過協調會並且有過結論因為我時間不太夠的關係我直接講2020年5月的時候當時的副主委周浩瑜在協調會的時候 |
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信誓旦旦的告訴大家說退輔會願意當退役軍事官的窗口邀請行政部門研商以專案的方式照顧各位的權益尤其女性她願意來當軍事官其實這是我們作為女性我們覺得非常了不起的一件事情 |
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但當時說好的照顧女性士官的權益過了4年退輔會直接跳票說專案補償欠缺法律依據那我最後想要請你們回答一下請問2020年5月開的協調會到了現在已經2024年了這件事情都沒有解決 |
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我就問退府會在這件事情上面會不會持續的來協助86年女性軍事官在兩次軍改中間所發生的越推奉會少一萬的這個事情 |
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請要回答有關於86年班領的比較少這個問題本會是秉持著照顧袍澤的立場一直在協助他們來處理但是有關於退休給付這個問題主要還是在軍方他核定多少錢了解那你們之後還會再開協調會嗎最後一個問題 |
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還是就是這件事情就你今天可以告訴我們答案是他不會再修改了因為你總是要給86年期的這個女性士官他們等待了這麼久一個答案嘛所以我們就分兩個一個是說我們會繼續努力爭取一個是說我們已經跟行政院討論完了那決定就是如此給我一個回覆就好 |
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謝謝委員 |
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謝謝謝謝請回接下來進行詢問委員鄭天才委員時間4分鐘主委那個主席各位委員你要質詢我 |
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委員很想讓你升官請主委主委請這位好主委好這個不合理的如果你剛才小心質詢的那個是不合理的就要去反應甚至要修法這法雖然不是你們的要建議修法好我們看這個 |
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7742.107 |
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國軍退除役官兵輔導條例第7條規定防衛輔導退除役官兵就業所需用之土地政府各主管機關提供依法撥工輔導會作為一個使用這個退伍會我們就以臺東農場為例 |
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這個自己經營的22%委託經營的60%點多了然後這些都是委託給個人企業徵政員那個退除官兵在那邊就業的非常非常的少好我們回到法例我是老公務員絕對是依法行政但是要請退府會這個主委這邊 |
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國有財產法第39條規定非公用財產經撥為公用貨就是說剛才以退除役官兵輔導條例撥給這個退伍會因為為了要退除役官兵的就業所需用的土地那現在 |
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用途廢止你沒有做就業之用而且你變更原定用途委託給出租了其實就是出租給企業以原定用途外還收了有了這個收益違反了國有產法39條的第一款第二款第三款然後我們看原住民族基本法第20條規定 |
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政府承認原住民族土地的權利這法律的定的很清楚所以退伍會很多的土地違反了原住民族基本法違反了退伍會的條例國軍退除役官兵輔導條例也違反了國有財產法這個非常老的檔案原住委 |
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許立農主委有知道這個人嗎?知道退府會許立農主委在民國77年5月15號答覆內政部吳博雄部長內政部吳博雄部長是根據原住民的建議然後他發文給這個親自發行給退府會主委 |
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退府會主委施令榮發行給吳博雄部長說同意將現在沒有利用的土地46.5多公頃徹銷撥用歸還而且還多了一句話今後是安置的狀況若再有不惜公務利用之土地應當繼續辦理徹銷撥用 |
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這個主委,你在軍中也很久了很多退出役官兵,現在的退出役官兵早期當然都安置,我們原住民都配合都配合,那現在沒有了現在去做農的很少了而且有的已經到天國去了所以就原住民族而言 |
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退伍會習立榮主委的承諾．代表著中華民國政府．以延續民主的企業的承諾所以這樣大概一個部分我給你看一個最近的公文財政部113年3月14號發行給退伍會希望你們不是希望就是要依法依法依國有財產法 |
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8010.742 |
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能夠防範我們不講多我們只就原住民本來就在使用一直在使用的因為撥給你們說但是你們沒有用那麼多我們還在使用的這些土地能夠依法增編為原住民保留地所以這個部分我們也要特別去再講一句話 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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民主憲政也很多年了更應該要依法行政這個主委你回去的時候跟同仁好好的因為你剛上任所以這個部分要特別特別的 |
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來請這個嚴主委這邊過去的立場不同沒有關係但是依法行政最重要好不好謝謝政經財委員然後部長那個主委回去演好謝謝謝謝政經財委員各位請回接下來進行詢答委員張家俊委員張家俊委員張家俊委員不在請楊瓊英委員進行詢答 |
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謝謝主席 楊卓銘發言 邀請我們主委主委請楊委員好 |
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主任好,三班護病筆大家都非常的關心因為身體健康,我們龍總呢,佔了非常重要的一個角色所以因此呢,我們看到在醫療工會團體近期對於我們全台82家的醫院呢,超過500名的護理師做問卷調查當然我們也發現護病筆仍舊未達標 |
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當然剛剛在北龍這個陳院長的答覆當中我們的平均值是7%多我們也給予肯定但是有一個問題要請主委注意也就是在我們所設的3所的這個農民總醫院12所的我們農民總醫院的分院那目前我們看到一個數字也就是離潮率 |
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8155.03 |
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李超律是11%我也就這個問題提出也請我們這個相關的這個院所大家注意我們要怎麼樣能夠留住人才我剛剛有歡喜聽到陳院長說今年你們還會有200多位 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
主委您的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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8184.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
主委現在回答會讓我嚇一跳你要怎麼提高他們的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8201.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8230.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
報告委員我是九一保健處處長平均11%而且這個數字是往上升的那個是之前就是111年112年但是今年我們113年第一屆平均總院現在目前離職率大概是2.3%當然我們有一連關的措施薪水我們當然是很注意有時候就是跟著調整但是薪水並不是唯一的因素現在我們總院都 |
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8231.099 |
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8250.47 |
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致力在改善整個職場的環境謝謝你所以你得到的訊息2點多吧這是這一季所以本席把這個離潮率加入你們在管控的這個因子我們一起加油好不好接下來本席要跟你討論的是從111年我們規劃這個辦理專業即職官兵專案徵才活動那這平均3年來你們媒介了79點多 |
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8260.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8285.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
不錯那透過了這樣子的一個機制你們發給了這個12個月的這個這個津貼來鼓勵留任職場這個就是我希望的好不容易進來之後我們必須不要讓他再離職那你要怎麼樣穩定他所以本席也給你結錄到目前4月份的時候呢你們大概是有3萬人左右 |
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8286.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8304.723 |
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那本席在你的報告書當中我也看到一個訊息很好你說你們會比照美國跟韓國的做法跟國防部研議來建置軍職職能的這個基準喔還有你們要用軍職的專長來銜接民間的這個職業這樣子的一個對照系統這個本席非常贊成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
委員會主任委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8330.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8359.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
所以我們下個月就會進一步去洽談什麼時候?下個月我們已經協調好就會跟他再談這件事情希望能夠繼續推動下去那將來如果這個因為我們每一年現在大概1萬5的退伍人潮那根據我們過往去協助他重返職場64%左右所以我們預計一年可以有將近1萬人9500到1萬人可以輔導他順利的回到民間職場 |
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8383.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8398.748 |
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這個非常重要,主委,因為本席非常讚許這個方案,因為民間我再次重複,民間有很多專技人員,然後我們訓練的都是非常的井南有序的,是國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8399.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8419.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
競爭力非常重要所以我們也期許你們預估一年在15000人的退役官兵你能夠媒介成功9500到10000進入到我們民間市場我也希望你們透過各個除了國防部談好之後透過各個縣市的公測會 |
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8421.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8445.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
他可以有很多的媒介大家直接介紹我們的民間這個公司好嗎達到一個善意的政策好嗎謝謝委員謝謝我們台南沒有公車會預算被議會砍掉了很多單位可以處理啦好謝謝好謝謝楊全英委員接下來我們進行詢問的委員是洪森漢委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8462.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8463.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
請嚴主委來主委請紅圍好 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8471.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8492.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
所以其實我們有很多來就讀中正裕校或者是三軍官校的學子那他過去可能他是因為這個家境貧窮或者是讀軍校包辦生活發花費也包括其實可能會有一些津貼可以來照顧家庭所以其實我們知道有很多這些我們的軍人是從15歲18歲就進入到軍人體系 |
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8497.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8514.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
後來成為榮民領終身奉這是很多軍人生命的軌跡所以我們可以看到這個軍旅生涯幾乎也就是他職業生涯的大半部分退伍就退休 |
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8515.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8532.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
那可是在現在徵募並行的狀況之下這個軍隊其實是需要大量這個服役4年到9年的這個短役期的官兵那請主委看一下一幕退伍會統計的資料最近3年退伍人員的比例服役10年以上的第一類 |
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8533.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8554.197 |
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官兵大概36%平均年齡接近41歲服役4到9年的大概有64%平均年齡大概26歲所以不論是第一類或第二類其實就這個表上來看的話軍旅生涯恐怕不會是他們質押的最終戰甚至可能是他們的第一戰 |
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這只是其中的一個階段所以這時候退輔會的就學跟就業的功能我覺得大家就會非常非常的期待那依照我們看的下現在的現行的法規在這個國軍借退官兵就業輔導措施實施要點裡面目前看起來只有在退伍前的前半年要接受職業訓練主委你覺得這樣夠嗎 |
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時間太短了一點時間太短了一點嘛對不對所以其實我們看到有很多年輕人他不一定是不願意從軍但他們一想到或者從過去前人的例子裡面聽到說離開部隊要找下一份工作幾乎是從零開始 |
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主委 不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
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那我這下面重點來是我要跟主委討論我們關於軍事跟這個民間專長的轉換其實我們這邊在談的不是什麼新的新聞我們其實看到2022年國防部其實有一個這個軍職專長轉嫌民間職業對照的這個計畫這個計畫最後怎麼了 |
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8632.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8636.353 |
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國防部軍職專長轉弦民間職業對照計畫從109年就跟國防部在談這件事情但是因為我們尊重國防部他因為有戰訓本務的一個考量還有其他的因素所以他就暫停 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
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但是我們現在已經還持續在溝通對,我們就只講這個計畫後來失敗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
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國防部公開表示,軍事專長與民間職業兩者屬性不同,無法順利轉弦及對照,後來計劃告終。這當然是因為國防部當時想很簡單的職業別對照,例如飛行員,我就是讓他去找變成是轉飛民航機 |
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那如果你開軍卡的駕照你可以就去開民間的卡車這幾乎是非常非常直覺性的這樣子的對照那問題就來啦那你的野戰部隊你的裝甲兵要對到什麼 |
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沒有人對照啊 對不對所以這是為什麼當時這個計畫其實很難成功的原因可是我現在要講的不是簡單的這個職業別的對照我其實想請主委參考一下其他部會有幾個我覺得值得參照的比方說在勞動部裡面我們看到這個職能基準的一覽表裡面其實它分為幾個層次它其實是把職能的內涵包括它的職能做了更進一步的分析跟探討 |
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8724.873 |
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8725.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員：完整會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8743.015 |
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他的職能的基礎第一個職責是可能是協調車隊來管控物流第二個是他的工作任務是要執行車隊管控任務那第三個是他下面也把他的知識跟技能給分析出來這不是只有勞動部這樣做包括經濟部也有IPAS包括教育部也有就職平台的U-CAN其實都採用這種細分的科學分析的方法 |
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坦白說現在我們只有看到只有國防部沒有這樣做他們沒有把職能基礎仔細的細分給分類出來所以再加上軍隊其實本身就有它的封閉性所以外界根本就不知道每個官科到底在做什麼所以這個我要問主委 |
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如果我們把其他部會相關的做法可以值得參考的我們現在都攤在眼前你覺得退輔會有哪些事情可以多做是 謝謝委員給我們指導我覺得這很有參考的價值現在最主要就是剛剛我們碰到的困難剛剛處長講的還有委員所發現的就是這一塊這是盲點那怎麼樣能夠突破參考剛剛林鄭月威的勞動部經濟部這個教育部他怎麼樣去把它細分一定有一些 |
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8813.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8816.376 |
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主委你覺得你們會怎麼做? |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8829.954 |
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8857.38 |
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我先想參考一下委員所提供的資料然後回去之後我們依據我們的屬性不同我們的特性不同但是怎麼樣跟民間這些有相同的地方能夠借鞋之後我們把它找出來所以我舉例來說假設今天是一個營長他這個退伍了以後如果他的履歷表上面他是寫我是戰車營營長今天你想像一個企業的老闆他看到履歷上面你是戰車營營長他一定想說我又沒有戰車給你開 |
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可是如果你有辦法把他做出他的職能做出這樣子內涵的細分的時候你就會發現一個營長他要管理經營400人的生活演訓任務甚至他還要來管理很多戰車的維修調度 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8874.632 |
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8901.251 |
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這裡面包括了領導力包括運輸管理包括人資其實有非常非常管理的專才在這裡面如果他的履歷可以清楚的協助他把這些事情都呈現上去恐怕其實對一個民間企業的老闆對於他的需求來說恐怕會大大的提升所以我們長期以來沒有協助我們的退伍軍人來推進這樣子的工作或這樣的分析坦白說我覺得這在行政上面是有很大的問題的 |
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主委你剛上任我想提醒就了解其實當初之前在李文忠副主委的時候其實他有計畫找了專家的學者來做建立國軍的職能基準表那這個計畫其實是有的那我想問主委我們應該可以在這個計畫的基礎下面再往前推進吧可以 |
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8945.406 |
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這個計劃第一個會往前推進第二個甚至我覺得應該要加速大力的推動主委應該也沒有問題吧是沒問題那主委我希望這個事情你們趕快做了一個先期的充足的準備以後那找其他的部會他們的專家學者或者他們的經驗我們把它建立好我覺得要去跟國防部一起來洽談這應該也沒有問題吧對我們再協調國防部 |
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8948.428 |
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8954.053 |
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跟委員補充報告我們上個月已經陪同國防部專案人員我們已經去拜訪教育部勞動部跟那個經濟部這個相關的職能平台他們也都了解所以我們會持續去跟國防部來洽談那可不可以在下個會期前提出相關具體的明確的計畫我們要怎麼來執行這樣的計畫我就給大家一個新的氣象新的計畫新的格局局面吧 |
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8973.43 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員吳立華委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
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謝謝主席有請嚴主委主委好主委好我們屏東有一個屏東榮總請問那是誰核定的委員是指經費核定行政院行政院核定那當時的行政院長是蘇院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9043.427 |
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9064.646 |
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因為我在聯合新聞網有看到去年年底選舉期間的一則新聞當時我們的總統候選人賴清德總統他前往屏隆的時候他問在場的民眾說請問屏東榮總是誰核定的台下的民眾都回答蘇貞昌 |
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9067.668 |
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9086.239 |
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所以當時賴總統就回說你們都把我忘記了那當年核定的行政院長如今他是我們中華民國的總統那為什麼我這樣子講其實對我們屏東人來講能夠多這麼棒的一個醫院其實是全民之福 |
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9087.139 |
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9113.235 |
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但是呢我們的期待也很多我看到你們的專報其實退輔會也把醫院的工作視為是非常重要的一個工作那屏東榮總設立一周年的時候呢我們也去宣布這個訊息通過了衛福部教學醫院的評鑑為偏鄉地區的急重症醫療帶來了福音那我在這裡就是想要請教一下 |
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因為我們從組織系統表裡面看到平融它有許多的科別那目前我如果以這個組織表看到它加總起來大概是40個整別但是這邊有一個龍泉分院 |
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9153.26 |
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以前還沒有平榮來的時候它是屬於高雄榮總那這個榮權分院其實對我們偏鄉的原鄉原住民族人來講我們最常去最常用的就是這個榮權的分院那請教一下榮權分院它有多少個科別、政別 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9180.631 |
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請彼龍院長跟您報告好 謝謝那報告委員目前彼龍總總院區總共有35個科別那我們都已經有全數開放那有一些所謂的診室呢像心臟科他有一些特別的門診所以診室看起來會比科別要來的多那剛剛委員講的沒有錯龍泉分院是我們一個非常重要的據點因為不要說是原鄉整個那個山區的榮麗龍圈都是我們照顧的範圍 |
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9183.252 |
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9183.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
委員會主席 |
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9228.004 |
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院長是這樣子因為我們從平融他的一個官網每天凌晨的零時他都會有一個床位資訊的公開資料那我在這個地方有看到總床數以這個急性還有加護病房嬰兒病床加起來合計大約是300以6月5號來講那這個當中有沒有包含龍泉分院 |
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9229.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9231.494 |
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主委也好院長也好你們有沒有算過空床率 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9269.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
報告委員我們現在呢原來在總院區的時候我們是有200當206床的時候呢我們的暫床率一度來到85那後來我們加到現在230床的時候呢我的那個暫床率只掉到60幾那這裡面當然就是說那我不知道我查的資料對不對齁因為我看到以平融來講他是核定629床是 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9272.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9288.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
那這樣空床率就很嚴重囉報告這個事實上是我們現在已經核准開設的是230加99那剛剛委員您提到的600多呢那沒有關係因為時間的關係院長我只是要提醒空床率的問題 |
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9289.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9316.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
因為我會來這邊質詢是來自於民眾的誠情關心那民眾我們看到的就是說他覺得空床率很高啦那我去查了一下數據也確實那他們會問說為什麼那當然我這邊拿到的資料訊息就是說像很多以前龍泉分院口碑非常好尤其他的骨科你應該知道還有他的夜間門診但是現在很多科都沒有夜間門診他們就會懷疑啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9336.147 |
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是不是平榮來了之後偏鄉的看診能量就下降所以我希望這個部分是不是一個月內給我一個檢討的方案我們是擔心說你們是因為醫護人員不足所以不敢開 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9337.968 |
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9338.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
主席請主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9370.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9386.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
主委您擔任退輔會主委最主要任務是什麼主要的任務是服務的對象是我們的農民、農眷還有退出役官兵那針對救醫、救養、救學、救業還有服務照顧我們要接近所能去照顧他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9387.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9405.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
對,就是要對於軍人從功報勳的精神那照顧退出役官兵加強對於退出役官兵的安置跟照顧那我想請教你對於退役國軍士兵的家眷是不是退府會安置與照顧的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9406.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9432.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
只要是榮民榮眷我們都照顧相較於過去你擔任的職位是國防部長那對於現役士官兵的照顧比較多那你會在照顧現役上花很多心力嘛過去嘛然後針對現在已經退役或是已經退役的軍眷的關心那現在退府會主委那實際上你要花更多心力來關心嘛是的現在主要第一類第二類都要照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
9434.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9451.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
本席這次辦公室有接到一個陳情案我想請主委聽聽看合不合理因為這個陳情案其實也反映一個通案的狀況有一位早年退役的中將民國99年往生根據規定家屬可以選擇一半退縫大概是兩萬九千多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9452.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9476.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
那這位陳琦呢也不是過去年金改革時不斷被拿出來放大檢視的外配跟陸配他也非常感念國家一直以來對他們的照顧跟安置可是呢他後來陸續聽到有些過去他先生的老同僚或老部署離世他們生前是市官長校級軍官但是呢一卷所領的退縫卻是遠遠高於這位中將的遺孀的金額那 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9479.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9482.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
他這位陳其仁他覺得非常的費解啊主委你覺得這樣的情況是會發生的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9484.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9512.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
報告委員這個案你是不是可以提供我們再把它弄清楚事實上我們已經有提供了我就是把大概情形讓主委知道一下我只問你覺得合不合理這種狀況作為一個中將退役結果他現在發現說其他的就是士官長或是其他校級的一些幹部他們已領的這個所謂的退縫反而比較高你覺得合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9513.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9538.329 |
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如果是這樣的話我是覺得不合理的對嘛那其實這個是因為我們也問過退府會啦退府會給的回答是說2018年年金改革造成那對於修法後才領取遺屬年金的當事人變成是有較高的撫恤金額變成為溯及既往所以形成了這個反差那年金改革的時候其實過去領比較高退縫的當事人就認為溯及既往是合理的 |
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9558.518 |
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但現在過去零比較少因為制度改動可以提升金額卻又沒有溯及既往就會形成剛剛主委你自己也覺得不太合理的狀況那我非常感謝主委你剛剛已經講到說這個狀況你也覺得不合理就是說實質上這個就像主委你自己這個作為中華民國二級上將你也發現說當然 |
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9584.427 |
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過去我們不管是過去現在國軍對於我們中華民國的保家衛國的奉獻其實是一樣是讓我們非常感謝的但是如果是因為我們制度調整你造成今天這不合理的現象我認為退府會是有責任去把這個不合理現象改正而且我也說實在話影響的人其實相當有限影響人相當有限所以 |
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9584.847 |
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9606.447 |
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就算說今天因為一般來講我們講說對於人民不利通常是不溯及既往可是一般對人民有利的部分其實一般來講有些做法是會溯及既往的那特別是對我們的有軍功的國軍將領的照顧希望主委能夠把這個案子放在心上我們會持續跟退府會溝通好不好對我們在了解OK好謝謝主委謝謝 |
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9626.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
謝謝羅志祥委員各位請回接下來進行尋答委員林思明委員林思明委員林思明委員不在邱志偉委員邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員不在 |
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已登記質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有陳永康委員林益君委員李博義委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報相關機關除與委員約定時間外 |
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9652.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9670.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
與兩週內來答覆相關的詢答委員：口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者亦請相關單位以書面與兩週內提供令約定期限者依其所定這個原主委今天人緣不錯所以本日會議到此結束我們散會 |