| IVOD_ID |
159831 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159831 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-31 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-31T15:59:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-31T16:19:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22902bedf9a457e5ced24b305a94d312fc15670ac5e97bb5232f1291eaafe6824694c160275afada5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:59:56 - 16:19:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-31T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理失職調查委員會 第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員暨行政院國家發展基金管理會召集人劉鏡清率所屬單位就「國家發展基金投資如興股份有限公司及聯合再生有限公司之決策及監督管理作為」提出報告） |
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不是啊,我先跟鍾嘉斌委員清楚的說明一下我們目前在整個運作上面都是按照運作要點跟立法院職權行事法在進行的現在委員針對國發會所提出來的報告他們有問題要提問這件事情我必須要尊重每一個委員的權限那你反對他 |
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跟行政官員提問啊那個我先跟中委員講現在是我在主持會議所以官員要不要備詢這件事情恐怕不是由您來加以決定的是 |
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那我們現在是不是先請第一位登記發言委員的委員你沒有寫並備質詢我們不會登記發言啦我們是要處理事項你沒有寫並備質詢每個委員會都去委員會如果你寫並備質詢我們就會登記發言要質詢來列席的官員你會議通知沒有寫並備質詢我們當然不會登記發言啦上面有沒有我們登記發言沒有並備質詢登記發言要登記誰誰啊 |
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主席意識規則再看一下意識慣例沒有登記發言沒有並備質詢就沒有登記發言今天只有報告四項報告完了沒有並備質詢以後發開會通知請注意立法院的議事常規你沒有寫並備質詢我們來參加的委員不會有去登記發言質詢的所以你們放那個表啊 |
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對行政官員來講,那是我們內部的事情至於你要臨時提案,那我們委員會要內部討論,那是內部討論的事情官員已經報告完畢,也沒有要他們備詢我們委員也不曉得他要備詢,也沒有要登記發言如果這時候允許來質詢,就侵犯了其他修道開會通知的委員的權利 |
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那個相關有關於登記可以提問的順序在一點鐘的時候都已經放在外面的台子上面了 |
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相關的登記全部都放到這外面了我還是請中嘉賓委員你一開始在程序上面發言我都很尊重你們發言的權利跟機會那現在已經到了下午4點02分了前面也有委員他們登記要發言那你總不可能你自己一直站著麥克風只有你一個人發言其他按照規矩登記的委員通通都不能發言吧 |
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委員可以登記發言啊 可以跟主席同意登記發言啊 但不是質詢喔發言會發言喔 不是質詢喔 我們沒有並備質詢喔請總委員注意 現在會議的主席是我我收到你的提醒了 非常感謝您的提醒現在是不是我們請登記第一位發言的委員 許新穎委員主席 全議員您看官員要不要離席了 |
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對不起,現在會議的主席是我,我還沒有請官員退席現在您不是會議的主席,請中委員嘉賓,你如果有問題要問,現在可以去登記因為今天的會議議程沒有寫並備諮詢,我們不知道可以質詢官員,請了解會議的程序我再說一次,從一點的時候登記發言的條件都是在外面 |
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你的會議通知沒有寫 就是沒有並備咨詢好 非常感謝鍾嘉賓委員現在我們是不是請登記第一位發言的徐欣穎委員好 謝謝 謝謝主席本席想請這個劉主委想請 就叫劉主委 可以嗎來是不是有請劉主委來 有請劉主委你在這邊做這樣指導嗎 |
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我知道這是委員會的規則沒有關係啊來請劉主委請劉主委好 那個是不是可以請在場的委員尊重徐欣穎委員的權利是不是尊重徐欣穎委員的權利人家已經登記發言在這邊 |
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然後在這邊這樣子繼續干擾其他委員在會議的進行這樣不好了好那我們那個現在那個發言登記截止我們從一開始一點放到現在夠了那在場的委員有沒有要再登記的都沒有嗎好那我們發言登記就截止了現在有請徐欣穎委員 |
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好謝謝主席那劉主委本席剛剛聽了您的報告想首先請教您您有特別講到如昕那他目前他目前盈虧如何你報告裡面沒有寫這可以講吧目前他屬於虧損狀態但是虧損多少虧損多少目前是虧損12億12.38嗎 |
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對 12.38億所以我們投14.88億目前已經虧損12.38億整個虧了83.2% |
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但是委員你一定要注意到我們每一年還是有貢獻280億的獲利你整個國發基金嘛我現在是針對我現在一直覺得我們一直被同仁其實都沒有被就是我們投資的獲利或是績效沒有被公佈但是我跟委員報告一件事你剛剛說每年貢獻多少我們大概280億左右每年賺280億 |
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我很快跟委員報告一下我上來之後我針對這個爐心的狀況我做了一個裁試因為這個狀況我們現在只有兩個可能一個就是四股當時四股的價錢大概在兩塊左右兩塊多一點沒關係那我們當時就找了我們找了單位只做一件事 |
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我們問一下這個到底有沒有機會在股價往上走如果有機會走的話我們試股的話就會造成更大的損失所以我們決定等待那目前已經回到三塊多最多有到過四塊所以我們在期待它因為它現在每個月都有十幾億的營業額所以代表它的營收還是存在那現在整個全掌握在台灣人手上所以它還是一個值得所以我們正在等待這樣的一個公司的改變 |
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對 因為不知道等待多久但是本席還是要在這邊因為您剛剛有講每年我們國發基金還是賺了280億所以我在這裡肯定我們國發基金的我們的所有的同仁就是這個 |
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國發會的同仁還有這個基金會的同仁那但是因為這個如心也是今天您報告的兩家公司其中一家那您剛剛也有提到說當初你特別有報告當初這個 |
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如心我們在決策要不要投資之前那這個投票最後在這個2017 106年這個投票的時候您還剛報告的時候特別講8比1那本席好像了解你們整個委員 |
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大概多少人整個那一天該出席就是整個的這個決策的委員應該要有十一位十一嗎十五吧 |
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所有委員跟委員報告我們委員會有一個庫然後去抽籤順序出來然後必須要在那個庫裡面過半的這個出席才能夠去對過半的出席但是我的意思是你發通知的委員應該有15位吧發通知的委員是11位只有11位11位真的嗎你們確定 |
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你們發通知只有11位跟委員報告一下本席手上的資料你出席人員你列了15位跟委員報告一下我們這個委員會的召開方式是這樣的就是我們會有兩組委員 |
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一組是屬於企業經營組你們的會議紀錄啊你們自己針對那一次投資評估審議會的會議紀錄你們出席人員就列了15位啊然後有6位請假難道不是嗎怎麼現在變11位我們開會的條件是每一組委員 |
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對開會條件他是一定可以成立的就是說人數達到一定可以成立我現在指的是你們預計出席的人啊你發通知的在我們手上的資料是有15位啊我們開會通知都會發給所有的委員因為他們對我問的就是所有委員嘛是不是15位呢 |
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但是我們好了沒關係你回答嘛是不是15位15到17位都會發然後能夠出席的就是說要達到會議的話要三分之二嘛目前是三分之二嗎 |
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各辦各辦各辦過半出席然後出席的必須要三分之二過半出席才能開會然後要三分之二才能夠通過所以我們發現說你這麼多的委員但是出席的只有九位只有九位再來就是你看 |
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這麼多年下來 如新這家公司它的整個的虧損這麼的嚴重八成整個虧損當然我們的主委你認為說我們期待它起來但是我們現在要看的就是說在當初決策的時候就我們所知你們整個的把關 |
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在報告中你說是很審慎嚴謹但是我們看起來是不審慎嚴謹的為什麼呢因為這個如心投資案我們國發基金它是要用於產業創新高科技發展但我們看到這個如心它是傳產 |
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也不是產業創新 也不是高科技發展 這第一點第二點呢 就我們所知當初一些外部的專家明確地指出他沒有專利權而且這個專家學者也都反對可是你們還是讓他投票通過了這個為什麼 為什麼會有這種情況 |
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就我了解為什麼不採納專家審查的意見因為這個是一個共整個機制過去都是用共識決共識決的就是每個人都有不同的意見充分討論之後進行投票以投票的結果為準就像剛才 |
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我們在委員會大家有不同的意見這邊也是採取投票然後以投票為主5比4剛才我在現場所以這個會不會很可怕就算你除了你除了人來投票之外沒有一些指標一定要通過的嗎包括我們的國發基金他只能用在某些 |
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符合國發基金投資的標的這個廠商那你傳統產業你不是產業創新也不是高科技發展還有你的淨值調查很多的疏漏那這些疏漏產生了我們只要大家出席的人同一半以上然後又投票多數通過我們就讓他通過這樣我們民眾的納稅錢不是很沒有很沒有保障嗎 |
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我們找的是從財務跟產業雙方面去熟悉這方面的人來進行投票的跟評估的那您剛剛講的但是我們擔心弊端我想因為我們是替民眾把關當然你找的專家或學者什麼 |
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那今天我們總是還是要防弊嘛對不對我們要防弊的情況下他雖然掛著專家學者可是睜眼說瞎話或者是這個明明看到整個的評估報告不管這家公司的財務是有問題還是投資標的物不符我們國發基金該投資的那你都可以投贊成票這個是有問題的吧 |
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跟委員報告就是國發基金他的評估機制就是擔心行政人員譬如說他看到一個特定的審查委員他的意見是負面的然後就片面把他否定掉或者決定要投所以他這些 |
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外部委員的意見通通會如實的呈現給這個投資評估審議委員這些專家從財務面產業面各個方面來看那委員都看到了這一些反對的意見贊成的意見財務的法務的會計的滴滴的這個評估調查然後他去做出他的這個投票的行為然後是秘密投票然後但是你沒有回答我的問題我們在防弊的時候有些人為的 |
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他可能只是就是說各種的調查結果那都是不符合的可是他還是要投投這個贊成票我們就要防弊啊每一個委員只有一票啊對啊所以那你們這個委員怎麼選出來的你在專家學者或在各個領域你們這是誰決定的 |
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我們這個是由我們國際基金會去洽詢這個市場比較具知名的人物然後變成一個像資料庫資料庫怎麼挑隨機挑出來之後呢隨機挑的對再到像最近的話是再到我這邊我在隨機從裡面去勾選然後呢 |
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我們是有一點懷疑啦大概我們也擔心有些專家學者他不想躺渾水他是不是覺得好像這個案子有一點壓力好像要過那有些專家學者覺得我不能違背我的良心我就不出席了那有些人呢可能是這個跟 |
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跟這個主政的或者是想要過的假設是站在一起的那他當然出席這個弊端要怎麼防範這個您提的這個其實在很多年前這個就已經做了就是說他是早年早年是要簽名的所以委員覺得有壓力後來做了修正之後是委員 |
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簽完名之後把他的名字那個地方是折起來封起來也就是說我們可以看到這個委員同意不同意跟他的意見但是看不到這是誰的意見然後他當場就封起來就密封起來等到這個案子出現了有任何的問題之後才去把它打開來然後看一下這個每個委員的意見 |
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那現在呢獨興的案子會看到就是因為呢後面有意見以後大家把它打開來看裡面每一個人的意見好OK那現在我最後再問一個問題就是說 |
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如新他應該是我們可不可以設定一些標準就像我們人的評選也一樣他要過關最後他才可以最後參加最後的比如說口試或者是什麼那如新這個公司如果他在各項的指標他都沒有符合我們的規定那就應該就打掉他就應該進步來給我們來做評選嘛 |
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我現在不是針對如新我是以如新為案例未來我們不希望這個就有一些公司他不管他的這個發展性創新他就不符合了還有我們也看到其實在投資前我們就知道他們這家公司的資金各方面是很有問題的所以最後他以小併大這個海外併購那也產生現在產生像現在 |
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這種虧損的情形都可能很有關所以是不是你們的這個標準可以在我們要評估前你鎖定了什麼樣的廠商那你要先做一些他的標準上的一個篩選嗎 |
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1041.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
現在有沒有這個機制這個是這樣子我們可以再來檢討一下但是我要跟委員報告一下我們在外面有很多的新創他在找尋資金的時候他在找尋資金的時候其實他面對的很多的Venture Capital他本身會有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1042.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1058.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
會一些比較嚴苛的投資標的機制那當時呢很多的其實包括至少他要符合都是有希望我們能夠盡量去扶持這些新創公司的時候我們的機制其實是比較相較外面寬鬆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1060.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1080.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我懂你要表達但是你沒有抓到我的point但是你講的是說比較屬於大型的關係譬如說一家公司我要的是電子電機的那你念土木的我就不符合那所以除非你念土木可是你有電子電機相關總之你要符合那個標的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1080.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1099.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那它已經不是產業創新它是傳產然後它也不是科技那你都把它納進來那就不符合我們這個國發基金的投資嘛像這種我的意思就是說我想我也不要浪費大家時間所以我們希望你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1100.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1117.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
要有一些明確的然後在他初步有一些包括這裡面應該也有我們應該長期以來也有一些就在譬如像淨值調查裡面不管他的這個財務他的各方面資金的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1119.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1133.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
只要它不符合標準的你應該就要把它淘汰掉不能再放進來對 我們現在就增加了您講的我們要求它提供轉型計畫尤其是組織的轉型我們要求的很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1134.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1162.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
因為要不然的話過去來講很多來申請的時候他的組織並沒有改變那第二個部分我們也要求也去檢查他的能力不是說他想要轉他也要能力那如果能力不足我們現在也聘了專家會來做事前的檢查他想要轉的方向到底他有沒有能力這些都是我們就是委員剛才提的幾個那我們前面會去做比較嚴格的所以我們我們真的希望包括人民的納稅錢不要丟到海裡好謝謝是的 |