| IVOD_ID |
159779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159779 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-31T09:22:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-31T09:33:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22902bedf9a457e5bc4593a9127d04e6ab992d8b3314b746e0e68ba40c49a00f314697a4fd0cd6bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:22:40 - 09:33:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「2025年防洪抗旱計畫」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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谢谢主席我先请一下经济部次长赖次长 |
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市長好市長我想這個是應該是您第一次以經濟部次長的身份來備詢過去在這邊你大概都是以水利署署長的這樣的一個身份所以您對於這個抗旱防洪如何治水我相信你應該有非常多的這個經驗來那個次長您剛剛的報告其實開宗明義就提到了高雄 |
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高雄在去年的這個凱米颱風的時候 單日最高降雨量是超過1400毫米嘛 對不對這已經遠超過98年的莫拉克風災但是呢 當時大家就在討論說 到底高雄這麼多年來做了這一些滯洪池有沒有效 |
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有一批網友認為這個滯洪池是沒有效的但是在我們在地的感覺跟你們現在的這個報告你的報告裡面很清楚講說淹水範圍比起莫拉克少了大概5000公頃那我們看了一下過去的這十幾二十年來所有台灣的這一些治水計畫 |
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把高雄跟北北基拿起來相比 赫然我們會覺得說高雄其實很可憐如果不是從2006年開始 我們有所謂的這些治水計畫 特別預算的挹注治洪池的設立 我想高雄的淹水 |
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應該會比過往更嚴重現在的這種極端氣候你看今天都已經三月底了過去這個時候應該是熱到快昏倒了可是現在台北的溫度這麼低 |
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次長我想請教一下您覺得像這樣的一個治水計畫到底有沒有效那這樣的治水計畫比如說在高雄我們其實還有很多地方我們的防洪標準是遠低於20年的25年的那有沒有去盤點這一些地區那有沒有什麼新的新興計畫或者是要趕快加速來進行的 有沒有是 |
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首先跟委員說明過去的治水工作確實產生很大的效果以剛剛委員這張投影片為例在北北基的淡水河的流域民國71年開始投入超過1600億元的預算但是 |
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相较之下我们其他的流域地区包括中南部重大的刚刚委员所说的高雄地区我们只有在民国94年开始政府才用集中的力量用特别预算来编列希望来补助地方政府在过往94年之前一年差不多是30亿94年之前大概都是只有坐北北机南部很少被看见我们看到高雄25个制红尺 |
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不管是在楷米颱風或是在栗翅的颱風都發揮很大的效果那我們也不敢想像說整個城市若是沒有製紅池缺少了土地的成紅這個情況會如何所以近年來我們就積極的推動也是在委員的協助之下我們在美濃透過 |
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工程的滯洪池還有包括農地的滯洪這個概念在凱敏颱風之後我們看到了很多的縣市政府都是希望引用高雄美農在地滯洪的經驗來引用到他的地方市長你講到這個我們就來先來看就繼續來探討我覺得 |
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抗旱跟防洪 治洪其實它有一點算是一體的啦您剛剛講到美濃的在地治洪其實它在過去幾次的颱風雨災的時候都發揮了相當的程度的效果去年前年這個水利署在老農溪有一個所謂的防災韌性計畫你們在老農溪的這個中下游這邊 |
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中游啦 就靠近這個新威大橋這裡你們把它峻深挖了一個很大的 |
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像類似像滯洪池那當然意外的造成一個很漂亮的景觀那這個其實對你們來說你們其實是把水除下來然後呢也補充了我們的地下水所以這兩年在枯旱期的時候美濃地區已經沒有再喊說啊這個缺水啦沒有水這個計畫我覺得非常的好 |
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可是很顯然的看起來因為預算總預算被砍了之後我看我跟那個署長應該是兩個禮拜前我們去現場看過嘛這個未來算是你們的新興計畫總預算被砍了之後這還能做嗎 |
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這麼優秀這麼好的一個計畫單單老農溪的防災韌性計畫未來還能做嗎我不知道這個我要請教第二個前瞻的治水計畫預算也還沒有審查過所以您剛剛講的高雄的這一些工程我剛剛問你的高雄未來還有沒有其他的工程有很多治理工程就有18件應急工程有49件 |
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可是呢 這一些計畫 這一些工程因為前瞻的治水計畫預算沒過所以這一些工程還橫在那裡那你們給本席的備註裡面有寫說各同意案件需與治理計畫相符114年所需的經費如果預算奉准後再辦理 |
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如果預算沒有準的話請各縣市政府自籌經費辦理或於後續計畫提列換句話說現在預算沒過雖然你們已經把工程核定了但是未來我們不知道錢在哪裡工程還能不能做得下去 |
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所以所謂的防災任性抗旱防洪完全都要取決於錢啊錢在哪裡 昨天這個是我去年10月份到仁武鳥松地區的19彎排水去年凱米颱風仁武淹得很嚴重所以市政府水利局認為19彎的排水原來的滯洪量不足所以我們要把它擴大量呢這個案子也在你們核定的 |
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案件裡面了 可是現在沒錢不知道什麼時候能做昨天我跟陳其邁市長到美濃湖去看排水這個已經工程已經做了65%了但是我們還有另外一期的工程大概將近840公尺的這個美濃湖的這個排水工程合訂了但是我不知道現在錢在哪裡能不能做什麼時候可以做市長可以告訴我嗎 |
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跟委員說明前瞻第五期的預算我們經過立法院聯席會議委員會審議通過大概經濟部的部分編了101億元我們希望這個預算早日通過剛剛委員所說的各縣市分配在前瞻五期的工程就可以很快速的開展 |
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那當然現在預算還沒有通過的情況之下我們會利用前期的預算或是一些結餘的部分來做相關的這個融資不過基本上因為4月底 |
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就是我們訓期 準備要開始了嘛結束的時候 9月1號就訓期開始了我們希望這個預算早日的通過那另外老榮溪的這個計畫 因為它是屬於新興計畫那也需要總預算的 總預算被砍了新興計畫就完全不能做啦所以我就很擔心啊 我們所謂的這些防災任性到底要怎麼防災 要怎麼做任性 |
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政府空有這麼多的想法跟計畫可是沒錢沒錢你什麼都做不了啊沒錢你什麼樣的災都防不了啊沒錢你怎麼樣來保護人民的生命財產的安全啊這是我們最擔憂的地方啊預算可以砍但是不能亂砍啊 |
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不能沒有理性的亂砍 你砍到這樣子我們今天主席 我很高興主席今天排了一個這樣的議程可是你可以凸顯到我單單現在只有講我高雄的部分我選區的部分 就這麼多的工程了你更何況其他的委員 其他的區域中部的山區要不要北部要不要 雖然北部已經拿了很多錢了 |
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大家各自回到區域裡頭 你面臨到淹水的問題的時候你面臨到治水的問題的時候都需要錢啊這些計畫不是憑空掉下來的 錢也不是憑空掉下來啊我其實我本來還有想要問那個農業部喔就你們的那個灌溉的部分啊來 那個次長 主席可以再給我一分鐘齁次長您剛剛的那個報告裡面啊 你們農業部有一些 |
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你講的這個所謂的灌溉系統你有增加了這麼多處的智慧灌溉增加了這麼多的抗旱水井但是你沒有告訴我們你的區域分布在哪些地方基本上我們就是要提高這個它的農業的韌性所以對於缺水的地方我們特別會來加強所以基本上這些多水源以及這個增加抗旱的這些水源絕大部分都是集中在這個中南部的這些地區 |
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集中在中南部來那個蔡署長我是不是能夠請您給我一份比較完整的比如說你們的這些智慧灌溉系統跟抗旱水井的這些建設大概是在哪一些縣市哪一些區域那你們的這個灌溉溝渠你們的灌溉溝渠能不能跟水利的這個所謂的排水系統把它做一個適度的連結 |
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有時候大水一來可以透過你們的灌溉溝渠讓這個水也能夠順利的導流出去我覺得這個也是一個防災的概念過去賴建信在當署長的時候也推過這樣的一個想法有沒有可能大家再去做一些整合 |
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報告委員沒有問題首先資料部分大概我們的康安水井這幾年都集中在高屏還有雲嘉南地區那第二個部分就是事實上我們的進入系統也包含一部分的這個農田排水所以農田排水跟這個區域排水還有相關市域排水其實都有互相的我知道你們有包含但我講的是說比較易淹水地區的這些排水能不能讓他更緊密的去結合好不好我們持續努力謝謝委員好謝謝 |