| IVOD_ID |
159706 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159706 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T11:18:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T11:26:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db90019aa7e6d56eb1c2e1e62e9fce1db2a03b9e3eaef4bc79033d4739e4e9503208b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:23 - 11:26:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、農業部部長、內政部首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「鄉村發展總體檢討及如何提升城鄉發展韌性之規劃方向」進行報告，並備質詢。【3月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
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謝委員衣鳯：（11時18分）謝謝主席，我想要請國發會的副主委。 |
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主席：請國發會副主委。 |
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彭副主任委員立沛：召委午安。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：副主委，你們國發會說要促進中彰投雲的精密智慧新核心，這個需要跨部會的合作，以及給予精密機械產業新的技術，你們要怎麼做？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：目前這個是由經濟部主政，整個方案目前在行政院。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們不是也有嗎？你們說要組什麼精密機械的團隊，對不對？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：我們是整體發展，當然在推動方面，我們也會積極地促進經濟部跟相關的部會一起來做。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：你們整合團隊的部分進行得如何？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：目前方案還在行政院，經濟部已經有研擬了。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：所以整合不順利？目前不順利，是嗎？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：其實我們所有的部會基本上都會參與到所有的六大產業跟生活圈的計畫，目前已經有整合了，而且我們國發會為了中彰投雲的精密智慧新核心也開過一次整合會議，那次我們也特別請經濟部能夠後續接手，把這些後續主政的事務接下去。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：除了技術以外，還有勞工的問題，我們在去年底的人力調查，看到了工業及服務業的工作職缺，6個月以上的缺工數高達6.6萬個，其中以中階技術層次的缺工數最高，缺工的勞工數是4萬個，在缺工又沒有技術和整合不力的情況下，我們中彰投雲的精密智慧新核心要怎麼進行？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：我們在做盤點的時候，基本上我們也去整合了，尤其是勞動部還有各個不同的人力需求，也包含了譬如教育部這邊能夠培養出來的人才，然後我們可能對外能夠找到多少的人力，甚至移工，我們都有去做討論，但是目前這個資料有三個作法，一個就是人才培育，一個就是本國的勞動力，用本國勞動力來調補、補實，另外就是找跨國的勞動力，主要是這三個方向。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：可是本國的勞動力，你們跟勞動部在協調的時候，其實我們從過去幾次缺工的經驗看起來，沒有工作的勞工跟需要工作的勞工是沒有辦法立即性做替代的，可能需要一個轉介以及非常長職缺的……現在即便是在精密機械產業裡面，他們也有不同系別的技術型勞工，可以做油壓的，不一定可以做模具，這沒有辦法替代。如果今天做油壓的勞工目前正在放無薪假，他有沒有可能馬上去替代成為做模具的勞工呢？有沒有辦法？在這個情況下，如果我們沒有辦法有高度的替代性時，就沒有辦法解決這個產業缺工的問題，這怎麼處理？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：當然，這個跟我們人才的訓練還有轉銜，就是原來的工作跟不同的工作之間，他們怎麼樣去做這些專業訓練的養成，我覺得這個確實是我們可以跟勞動部這邊再做進一步的了解跟協商。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：尤其是有技術性的這種中階勞工。 |
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彭副主任委員立沛：是，需要再訓練的。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：是不是？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：對，職訓。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：他是沒有辦法馬上進行替代的情況下，你要怎麼處理，這個部分你們一定要趕快去做準備。 |
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彭副主任委員立沛：好。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：不然我們要做什麼精密機械新核心，這看起來，在技術以及人才都沒有辦法支援的情況下，我相信這是很困難的，好不好？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：是，我們會特別注意職業之間的轉銜這方面怎麼去銜接，謝謝委員提醒。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好，我現在再請農業部的次長。 |
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主席：請次長。 |
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胡次長忠一：委員好。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：次長好，你是農糧出身的。 |
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胡次長忠一：對。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我想要請教你一個問題，去年部長跟我說，只要今年度的豬瘟拔針，我們是不是就可以把稻草出口到日本去？ |
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胡次長忠一：對，但是要先跟他們談判。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：現在進行得怎樣？ |
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胡次長忠一：今年5月我們會被WOAH宣布為豬瘟的清淨國，本來口蹄疫我們早就已經是清淨國了。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：對，豬瘟嘛。 |
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胡次長忠一：豬瘟是今年5月預定要宣布，宣布之後我們就可以馬上跟日本談。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：你看情況如何？ |
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胡次長忠一：我們非常樂觀。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：非常樂觀是不是？ |
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胡次長忠一：因為稻草還有生鮮的豬肉，我們都可以賣過去。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：米呢？去年好像…… |
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胡次長忠一：米本來就可以賣。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：我是說去年日本大缺米，我們臺灣在提倡不同的米糧，也希望建立品牌，我們的米有沒有辦法輸日？ |
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胡次長忠一：我們稻米最近這幾年出口到日本是5,000到7,000公噸，今年1月、2月到3月20號之前，已經出口了1,500公噸，所以我們非常樂觀，今年…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：那能不能協助我們彰化有品牌的米能夠輸日？ |
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胡次長忠一：日本的米管制得很嚴，首先要拿到日本政府的配額，配額如果拿不到的話，必須要用每公斤342塊日圓的關稅賣給他們，大概相當於臺幣77塊左右的關稅，如果拿得到關稅，就是跟他們的進口商買配額的話，我們當然可以出去，不過也是相當高的成本。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：那怎麼樣降低成本？ |
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胡次長忠一：降低成本的話，因為今年…… |
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謝委員衣鳯：對啊，如果今年我們在糧食足夠的情況下，是不是應該替我們生產稻米的農民找到另外一條出路呢？ |
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胡次長忠一：可以，就剛才委員所關心的，如果是彰化的農民，我們會先幫他驗，日本要求進口的米要驗六百多種農藥還有重金屬的殘留，通過的話才可以出去，當然，要優先拿到配額，這個我們會來協助。彰化那邊以前是米倉，從清朝以後就非常有名。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：是啊！我是說如果在我們國內糧食足夠的情況下，對於希望做進口、出口的農民，是不是可以給予他們協助，好不好？ |
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胡次長忠一：我們會全力協助，這個沒有問題。 |
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謝委員衣鳯：好，謝謝。 |
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胡次長忠一：謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝衣鳯召委。 |
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下一位請麥玉珍委員質詢。 |
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418 |
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委員會-11-3-19-5 |
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蔡易餘 |
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陳亭妃 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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呂玉玲 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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張嘉郡 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳超明 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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邱志偉 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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麥玉珍 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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廖先翔 |
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陳冠廷 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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賴惠員 |
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369 |
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2025-03-27 |
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1143201 |
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1143201_00007 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、農業部部長、內政部首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就
「鄉村發展總體檢討及如何提升城鄉發展韌性之規劃方向」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1143201_00006 |