| IVOD_ID |
15970 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15970 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-30T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-30T13:04:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:34:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea1dc129ce818bd3286425655b8120616f3be8d109af184be4e4b9d60b4ed6f1125ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會預算凍結書面報告案計4案。二、處理財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會113年度預算凍結書面報告案計1案。三、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。四、審查(一)委員高金素梅等22人擬具「都會原住民權利發展條例草案」案。(二)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「都市原住民發展條例草案」案。(三)委員陳瑩等16人擬具「都市地區原住民族發展條例草案」案。(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等21人擬具「都市原住民發展條例草案」案。【詢答及處理；第(四)案如經院會復議則不予審查】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:00 - 13:04:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員12人以主法定人數 |
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好,我們現在進行報告事項,請宣讀上一次的會議議事錄。立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24全體委員會議議事錄,實踐113年5月29日星期三上午九時二分至下午一時三十五分,地點紅樓202會議室,出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人,列席委員賴士寶委員等30人,列席官員內政部部長劉士芳暨相關人員,主席高金召集委員素梅, |
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報告事項一、宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定。二、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。內政部部長劉世芳報告委員蘇巧慧等29人質詢。分別由內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員答覆說明。 |
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決定一、登級發言委員除不在場者外其餘均與發言完畢,詢答結束。二、委員廖先祥、林德福、林俊憲、陳冠廷等4人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。三、書面質詢及未及答覆部分,請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會。通過臨時提案3案,宣讀完畢。好,請問各位委員,上次會議的意思錄有沒有錯誤或遺漏的地方? |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會預算凍結書面報告案計4案。三、處理財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會113年度預算凍結書面報告案計1案。 |
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委員高金素美等22人擬具都會原住民權利發展條例草案案。二、審查委員鄭天才等17人擬具都市原住民發展條例草案案。三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具都市地區原住民族發展條例草案案。四、審查委員吳麗華等21人擬具都市原住民發展條例草案案。宣讀完畢。 |
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報告四項的第二案,處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族委員會預算凍結案,總共有4案。報告四項的第三案,是要處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關原住民族語言研究基金會預算凍結案,總共有1案。都已經提送書面報告,使得動之之案,跟委員會報告。現在書面報告已經提送了,請問各位委員有沒有意見? |
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預算得以動之提報院會本日議程所列的業務報告和討論事項我們今天來做合併的詢答我們現在先介紹在場委員還有列席的官員先介紹一下我們有王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員吳麗華委員鄭天才委員 |
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現在介紹一下我們列席的官員。原住民族委員會主任委員,我們先恭喜曾志勇。政務副主任委員杜章梅莊,也恭喜您。常務副主任委員鍾欣華。政務和文化處處長亞波蘇勇。教育文化處處長楊振斌。社會福利處處長盧克魯。 |
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經濟發展處處長宋麗如公共建設處處長劉偉哲土地管理處代理處長張信良秘書室主任陳梅林人事室主任陳榮宏主計室主任簡信惠振峰室主任許碩珠 |
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2327.987 |
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原住民族文化發展中心代理主任簡明雄財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉屋斯財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長馬耀古木內政部國土管理署的檢任記政張瓊月合作及人民團體私專的委員葉昭宏 |
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法務部參事廖江憲衛生福利部護理以及健康照護司檢任記證陳清梅長期照顧司檢任記證白珊琪醫事司檢任記證李忠悅國民健康署檢任記證劉慧賢社會及家庭署組長楊秀川 |
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社會救助以及社工司科長陳怡如教育部綜合規劃司檢任秘書魏世哲秘書處專門委員李啟光國民集學齊教育署原民特教組組長孫文怡勞動部勞動力發展署組長施淑慧 |
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交通部公務運輸及監理師檢任記政蔡清風國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司處長陳榮斌文化部綜合規劃室專務委員李世民原文集出版室專務委員廖妮妮經濟部國營事業管理師副司長劉啟孝財政部副稅署副署長倪立新 |
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國有財產署專門委員羅玉華行政院公共工程委員會企劃處的處長徐肇熙行政院人事行政總處主編人力處的專門委員蔡憲維行政院主計處公務預算處專門委員王淺凱基金預算處的科長周明正 |
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非常謝謝我們現在請提案說明提案要紙我們今天因為有審員都會原住民權力發展條例草案組說明我們是不是先請鄭天才委員先說明吳立華委員先在後面 |
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我們先請吳麗華委員提案說明。謝謝主席各位同仁大家早安吳麗華提案說明 |
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這一次的審查除了我的版本之外還有陳寅委員、高金昭委及鄭天才委員的版本總共有4個版本我在今天原民會審查說明的資料當中看到 |
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各個委員所提出的四個版本從規劃保障範圍的定義名稱不同草案內容側重的領域也不同提出來的模式都各有所不同依據原民會最新的人口統計資料我們都知道都市地區原住民的人口已經來到50.2%這個條例確實有設立的需求 |
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但是同時本條例對都市地區的原住民族權益涉及的事務層面甚廣。內容的規劃以及執行都需要進行橫向跨機關統籌協調,更遑論尊重都市地區原住民意願的重要。 |
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所以我主張原民會應該要儘速的辦理相關會議各式的公聽會、座談會、搜集都市地區原住民以及各個部會甚至地方縣市政府的意見要儘速的在本屆期提出草案的版本 |
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以利於各委員的版本可以聚焦並且達成共識完備立法的程序應有的過程而我目前所提的版本主要的目的跟大家並無二致但是我注重的是都市地區原住民族的工作權以及居住正義還有文化延續的保障 |
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因此我說明幾項。第一,我的版本第15條針對都市原住民的工作權保障明定各級政府機關、公立學校以及公營事業機構辦理位於都市地區未達政府採購法公告金額之採購得保留百分之三十採購件數由原住民個人、機構、法人或團體承包 |
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但原住民個人、機構、法人或團體無法承包者不在此限。目前我看到的版本大多是以10%為訴求,但是我認為我們的版本 |
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應該既然提出來,要更促進、更鼓勵政府各類型的標案來優先考慮具有完善條件以及資格的原住民廠商,因此提升保留採購件數到30%,希望可以強化我們在都會地區原住民的經濟保障。 |
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另外我的版本在第17、第18條特別處理都市地區原住民族的住宅政策並且要求直轄市或縣市要新辦社會住宅因岸轄區內原住民人口數比例分配 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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早期因法令不完善而形成的聚落以及都會區原住民青年能夠有真正平等友善的居住權益。做以下的說明報告,懇請支持。謝謝。 |
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今天我們大概要談的是都會原住民權力發展條例草案對於這份草案我的說明是這樣子按照原基法基本法第28條的規定政府對於居住原住民族地區之外的原住民應該對他的健康、安居、融資、就學、就養 |
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就業、就醫、還有社會適應等等這些問題給予保障還有協助也因為我們城鄉發展落差非常的大因而被迫離開原鄉謀收的原住民族人以目前相關調查的數據來看原住民族在都會區涉及的人口數已經高達全體原住民人口的49%以上 |
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二、依照原住民族地區鄉鎮市區公署的推估,涉及原住民族地區的族人大約一成到三成實際居住在都市地區。實際居住在都市原住民人口數應該是全體原住民人口數的65%。所以也就是說,原住民族人口的分布結構實際上已經有非常多數的人口是遷居在都會地區的。 |
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四、審查四、審查 |
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救醫還有社會適應的問題政府應該是要給予協助的那麼最終的目標我們是希望都會原住民的族人在共同維護原住民族的語言還有附贈原住民族的文化 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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為在這一屆裡面真正的施政的目標也希望新任的總統賴清德總統能夠對於都會原住民族的族人的權益給予保障跟支持。謝謝。謝謝。感謝。我們感謝高金召委。我們今天才召委提案說明。 |
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趙偉主席、各位委員、還有我們原民會的所有的我們的官員。原住民族基本法第28條本來就規定政府對於居住原住民族第7以外之原住民應對其健康、安積、融資、就學、就養、就業 |
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就醫及社會適應等事項給予保障及協助本席在109年10月109年的9月23號特別針對研究法28條提出修正條文因為弱了一些所以我增加了要提案修正針類語言文化習俗經濟還有衛生 |
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然後在109年的10月21號本席當時擔任內政委員會的召集委員在這裡主持原住民族基本法28條的修正條文經過審查的這個過程的當中當時審發會委員在質詢以降主委的時候特別提到 |
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我們應該要制定都市原住民族發展條例。當時已將主任委員承諾要制定都市原住民發展條例。經過這4年的時間,人民會召開了很多次的會議,也邀請了地方政府,包括相關的專家寫者, |
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來開會來制定草擬都市原住民發展條例的草案那為什麼這4年一直都沒有送來到立法院甚至連送到行政院都沒有我認為就是因為涉及到很多的相關部會不願意支持所以我要拜託我們所有的立委 |
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不必等行政院的版本立法院本來就有立法的權利這是我們的義務所以既然我們原住民的立委已經提出了四個版本 |
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我們就好好地來審查這個都市原住民發展條例因為都會期的原住民人口已經高達50.21%的人口數這是有涉戶級的加上沒有涉戶級的 |
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絕對是超過65%以上所以絕對是需要有這樣的一個條都市原住民發展條例來落實原住民族基本法28條的一些的重要的一個規定在這邊特別拜託我們所有的立法委員能夠支持以上謝謝好非常謝謝鄭天才委員的說明提案說明現在我們請陳毅委員提案說明 |
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謝謝主席那跟大家報告那我特別提出這個都市地區原住民族發展條例的這個提案呢我想主要只是在這重振這麼多年來我們原民會其實有應該說先說我們的都會區的原住民其實人口數 |
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3214.231 |
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已經達到了將近大概一半左右那但是呢我們在整體預算的運用上呢有大部分的預算是被框在原鄉的那例如說現在在我們原鄉這個這樣一個很好的政績就是我們在如火如荼的在很多的地區增加建設了很多的這個聚會所 |
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3214.991 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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3253.864 |
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把這個都市地區原住民族聚落特別指出是指原住民族遷居都市地區形成群居社區這個部分我特別把這個都會區的這個聚落把這個名詞定義把它定出來框起來 |
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3281.101 |
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這樣子未來在都會區的原住民也可以享受到比較多的預算這個部分大概是要解決這樣子的問題當然我理解例如在過去我曾經主持我們原住民族健康法的審議那當時也是沒有行政院的版本但是我必須要講就是說行政院到底有沒有願版 |
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原住民族委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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這是一個不得已的狀態但是如果有願版的一起共同的支持我想這樣子我們在推動上是會更理想的所以我想也建議大家就是說因為這個版本我們這樣子也提出來了也希望在未來的時間大家可以多辦公聽會也收集各個地區大家的意見好以上謝謝 |
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3334.977 |
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主委,您要幾分鐘做報告? |
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主席、還有各位委員。首先,我要謝謝大院多年來對 |
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我們本會業務的支持跟協助。那我想以下我請就比較重要的部分來跟各位做報告。常常上首先就是這個我們會依據111年限判制第17號的判決。我們會依限來訂定專法讓我們的 |
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平埔族早日取得原住民的身份。希望是在114年的10月27日在這個期限之前能夠來讓他們取得原住民的身份。二、推動國家級原住民博物館 |
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那這個原住民族的博物館我們在113年的4月就已經報行政院來這個成立這個籌備處那希望跟高雄市政府來合作因為一些工程的這個淨土還有工程的花包都委由高雄市政府那我們跟他們來協助希望是在這個121年就能夠正式的營運 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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修正原住民族工作前的保障法,我們希望儘快擴大植物類型,提高經用比例,增訂減輕機制,希望原住民族工作前保障法能順利通過修正。 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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對旅遊的部分有3000萬我們希望能夠趕快來促進我們這個花蓮這邊的這個旅遊的部分還有教會的補助我們也希望那個錢趕快到位讓修善教會就能夠趕快來實行希望在最短的時間很多的很多對這個災害的這個重建經費能夠趕快到位最後就是有關剛才講的這個我們的這個這個 |
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都市原住民的這個發展條例我想因為我剛到我想這個條例我想也應該還要 |
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四、公聽會五、議會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
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其實我們都會期的原住民就已經有在照顧也有用其他的計畫來照顧他們那如果是一定要訂這個都委員條例的話我想我們更要有這個充分的這個訊息跟部落跟地方政府做協助來請他們來做提報更精準的一些訊息 |
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我們也會很快的在內部是不是討論一下是不是我們的版本也趕快提出來來跟我們委員的這個版本一起來提的話我想併案來審查的話一定會更完備這個法案的這個這個討論我想嚴明會議 |
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今天的報告就到這裡。 |
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其他單位報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。 |
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現在我們進行詢答。委員質詢前,我們做以下幾點宣告。第一個就是本會籍原住民委員發言的時間是6分鐘,必要的時候延長2分鐘。我本來是想要10分鐘加2分鐘,但是看曾主委剛剛有點緊張,他的表現我有一點替他擔心,所以我們不需要那麼長的時間,我知道。 |
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本會還有原住民委員發言的時間是6分鐘,必要的時間就延長2分鐘。非本會委員發言的時間是6分鐘,上午10點30分我們截止發言登記。而臨時提案呢,我們希望是在10點減止說案,然後在本會委員詢答完畢之後我們來處理。好,謝謝。我們現在請登記第一位的蘇巧惠委員做質詢。 |
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主委好主委沒關係啦不用緊張我們其實就是就事情討論那其實大家都是想要解決問題啊 |
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那我想是這樣子因為今天剛剛第一次聽到主委這邊的這個口頭的報告那其實跟您的業務報告這個書面的這本呢範圍和內容都有一點不太一樣那其實如果以業務報告的內容來講的話我相信這一屆的原住民 |
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三、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員會主任 |
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諮商取得原住民族部落同意參與辦法和原住民土地使用規則原住民族保留地管理利用條例的立法現在都在進度上嗎因為都寫成業務報告了是所以都會有願版對我們都會提出來什麼時候會提啊我們內部討論因為很快的時間我們這至少這三個月內我們會慢慢提出來這樣三個月內喔 |
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主委這真的都是蠻大的事情那我是希望能夠有比較綜合的各個面向都能夠討論完整之後再提出來因為像我們今天的這一部法律那其實我必須說過去我對原民會的印象就是其實原民會很辛苦因為原民會其實就有點像小的行政院 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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原民會的事情我們通常都會大力的支持可是如果今天看到這一部法律案如果我們把這部法來細究的話其實這一部法又包含了所有的面向剛剛所有點到的教育、醫療、工作、健康等等通通都有包括 |
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所以剛剛在說我們這件事情是橫跨如果以橫軸來講的話是橫跨各部會縱軸來講的話從地方到中央通通都會包含這個要徵詢的意見實在是非常的多那主委請問你有算過那個幕僚單位有給你資料大概會牽涉多少單位嗎那現在徵詢討論的意見已經完成了多少 |
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抱歉主席在這邊提醒主委你在這邊的發言會在公報上刊登的所以請你回答委員的詢答的時候請你注意小心因為這邊真的很多單位 |
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這個很多會涉及到教育部也有啦,勞動部也有,還有農業部也有,甚至於這個這個衛福部也有,所以很多的單位,所以這個必須要對,所以我的問題就是主委你知道有多少的單位嗎?是多到說不完呢?還是是說是一個你可以已經掌握了解很多了,那我 |
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更具體的問題是那這些部會你都溝通到什麼程度了因為我們今天已經如果一切順利進行的話我們詢答完就要開始進入審查了所以各部會的意見是非常重要的我們想要了解一下你跟多少部會已經溝通過了這些部會的態度如何這是很重要的事情啊 |
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我們至少是跟8個部會都有這個做說明做溝通但是我想因為我們持續還要那他們都同意嗎基本上院板上他們都有同意院板院板還沒有送進來呢也就是我們的這個草案啦我們自己會會裡面的草案可是我們沒有看到你這個草案那你的草案什麼時候要送來所以你們有草案所以你們是贊成制定的 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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制定的這個法他們沒有辦法做或者是根本他們就不是那麼願意配合的話這個法就推不出來好主委我其實今天準備的稿子這個是蠻複雜的啦那我其實是這樣講我們今天要訂的這個法其實會跟現在非常多的法律是相關的包括原住民族的基本法我們根據第28條所以有這麼多的項目我們希望都能夠再有進一步的法治規劃那可是你來看如果本條例裡面 |
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跟健康促進相關的本條例說大部分四個版本都有說提供都會原住民健康促進及衛生保健服務可是我們在原住民族的健康法也有規定啊那這一些項目到底是應該用原住民族健康法作為依規還是是要用原住民都會現在要做的這一部法案來做依規呢這兩者到底是誰先誰後好再來第二個給你看的話語言發展法語言發展法裡面也一樣啊 |
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原發展法裡面甚至是規定的更詳細從國民教育到主管機關跟地方的相關他要怎麼去設立科系所學成學位甚至是縣市主管機關應開設原住民族語言學習課程供民眾休息等等他規定的這麼細了那現在做了 |
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都做了一個這個都會原住民族的這個相關條例的話那到底是要用哪一個做依規甚至第三個我舉第三個第三個的話這個我們在這工作權益促進的部分也是一樣所以我們有這麼多的法規他到底是互相焊隔還是是有重複不需要另定還是是我們必須把它中整起來變成一部跟都市原住民相關的法律這個態度當然要能夠清楚嘛 |
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所以第一個有沒有相關的法條的整理配套這是我認為應該要執行的第二個就是您剛剛說的跟各部會相關部會以及地方縣市政府都應該要有他們的明確具體的態度以及會發生的影響要怎麼處理這也是應該要有的資料啊所以主委我這樣想合理嘛 |
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目前沒有這個限制 |
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目前當然是沒有說我是問你有沒有要接下來因為你要保障的東西很多你要給的權益很多所以你有沒有要這個限制你可能也要告訴我們嘛那最後我其實更想知道是說那你訂了這一部專法之後是可以解決什麼問題嗎比如說像我自己這邊我在土樹山陰嘛那我們要的聚會所一直沒有辦法設置起來啊那所以有了這部法就可以解決這些問題嗎就這部法到底要解決哪一些問題不是應該先講一下 |
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是不是可以在正式進入法條審查之前貴會可以提供我們委員你訂了這部法尤其是你剛剛說你有專法的有期待要訂專法嘛對不對你要解決哪一些問題所以哪一些法條因為設計了設置了就可以解決這個資料可以一份到辦公室來嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那還有前面我剛剛洋洋灑灑念了這麼多我們如果今天下午就開始審查你有辦法提供給我們嗎各部會的態度各縣市政府的態度各相關法律案的漢格與衝突還有到底要解決哪些問題我這樣講就四種了 |
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主委您看過今天其他委員的版本嗎?有,四個版本有看四個版本都看了那你剛剛巧惠委員的質詢好像您好像在狀況之外 |
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對,他講的就是有一些,比如像那個集會所的...好,沒關係,我們待會有很多委員會就教您,謝謝繼續我們請蔓玉珍委員來質詢喔,對不起,對,張宏祿,大家都已經剛...今天這個業務大選,所以有點緊張啊,我都有點流汗了好,我們請張宏祿委員,謝謝喬輝委員,你也流汗了嗎?好,謝謝辛苦啦 |
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有請曾主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
主委我們也知道你也才剛來接任那其實有些的事情你也可以請你們底下的官員幫你你們處長什麼你可以請他幫你做提醒回答我首先我想要先請教主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4403.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
你有說過啊平埔族正名的修法希望讓平埔族人儘早取得身份這是不是你認為一個很重要然後必須要積極推動的一個政策是也要依據憲法的這個判決我們要儘快的已經拖了一年半要讓平埔族的這個相信取得這個原住民的身份 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4421.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那你有想要怎麼去做了嗎?我們已經先認定這個族群,就是比如說他是那個這個這個奧西拉亞,或者是那個格哈伍,或者是這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4437.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
八宅先認定族群再來認定個人那我們先讓希望我們這裡趕快準備好讓這個評估能夠起的原住民先起的原住民的身份至於潛力義務我們後面再來做討論好如果這樣子的話 |
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4441.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4470.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
主委你的意思是先對族群先證明是然後再來是取得身份然後再取得權利大概這幾個步驟嘛是是不是可是主委啊你有沒有聽過一句台語的諺語啊有登山公無登山馬這個意思就是說啊如果真的要啊追源溯底一直往上查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
有可能全台灣有平埔族血緣的,你有沒有預估大概會有多少人?憲法法庭它是說要有客觀的認定,它還有它的民俗還有它的文化還可以來印證,那麼應該這個就 |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
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不是啦 諸位我必須說啦客觀的認定憲法法庭並沒有講客觀的認定的標準在哪裡對不對那你客觀的認定其實最主要的到最後呢我們原民會可能是要做最大的去訂定客觀認定的標準那也有可能文化界的人士然後這些也會出來說有哪些文化有什麼的我講一個最簡單的 |
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拜地基族是不是平埔族的文化你可能不知道也沒有關係但你可以去查有很多歷史的學者或什麼他認為拜地基族是從平埔族的文化來的你們的處長知不知道在台南的平埔族群他們確實是有這樣的一個習俗存在 |
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確實嘛齁但拜地基族不是只有台南啊我看全台灣每個人都有拜地基族吧全台灣都有吧齁我只有簡單的講這一個就好了很多的全台灣的文化其實都跟平埔族的文化是息息相關的 |
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如果要追根究底你的前幾代、十幾代、二十幾代前搞不好每個人都有平埔族的血統我今天講這個我只要跟主委你說你要證明平埔族什麼這個我非常非常的認同我真的非常的認同 |
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主委我這樣講比較不好意思啦你如果說你要馬上積極去推動我認為要謹慎一點要謹慎一點因為我剛剛只有講這個喔大家底下都說每個人都有啊每個人都是可以成為平埔族喔以後全台灣的人大概有七成都說他是平埔族那 |
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我為什麼要特別講這個呢?諸位我們今天討論的這個法條對不對你覺得如果平埔族每個都證明了全台灣有七成以上的人都是平埔族是不是用這個法條? |
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我們還是會有一些條件的限制因為至少在這個日本的這個戶籍登記上有熟跟平的這個註記的話那是比較可以認定是平補足的 |
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不不不 主委我真的不 你回答不要這麼直接你可以不要這麼直接我剛剛講的如果以歷史的規範來講日據時代是日據時代日據時代台灣是被佔領的我們現在台灣是一個獨立的國家 |
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我們中華民國捏我們怎麼還台灣那我們台灣的這個歷史文化我們是要別人來幫我們寫還是我們自己寫對不對我擔心的是這個如果你平埔族你說在你任內你想要把他推動那我剛剛講的有可能七成的人我都要申請我是平埔族啊他有沒有這個權利 |
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他有他有這個權利他有這個權利我跟你講你到時候你就會很麻煩所以我們今天的這一個條例如果真的通過了所有平埔族的人他也可以要求適用那這樣子我們在原鄉的原住民朋友怎麼辦 |
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我的意思是說我不反對喔我也反對要照顧原鄉的喔我也支持積極照顧在這個都市裡面的原住民我也很支持我以前就是民政局長這是我的業務我非常的支持但我們應該要去把一個法令啊齁要通盤的思考跟未來怎麼變化 |
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阿不然我覺得我們會對不起喔很多人那我們在原鄉的怎麼辦好我們先不講平埔族的我在原鄉的我如果在都市裡面我可能我把所有的戶籍我會很多人遷到都市來喔那原鄉怎麼辦原鄉越來越沒有人欸那怎麼辦真正的根不見了欸 |
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我比較擔心的是這個我不反對說要去照顧這個都市原住民我是希望說能夠找到更好的方式兼顧原鄉跟在都市的原住民我們如何去求求一個平衡點如何來去做那我看了一下這個今天這個我真的覺得說 |
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4818 |
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還有一些東西我們可以再仔細的思考一下有的法條的內容我不在這邊多說但我覺得還可以給他更細緻一點更好一點我覺得做任何事情尤其是主委你應該要以照顧全台灣所有的原住民朋友的一個高度去看任何一個法案 |
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4843.929 |
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我覺得因為到時候的資源的使用怎麼分配其實你是佔絕大多數的主導權的我們必須要兼顧所有在台灣不管在任何一個角落的原住民這點我真的是在這邊要特別說那我剛剛說的評普組的問題你真的要好好的思考一下好不好好謝謝謝謝張宏路委員的質詢謝謝謝謝謝謝曾主委 |
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主席有請主委 |
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主委好,我們都知道很多原住民因為生活,所以希望說來我們的都市找更好的工作。到都市尋找工作的時候,經常就是收到騎士、還有工作、還有租房、文化等的 |
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4905.445 |
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政府過去都市原住民族的發展計劃預算的投入請問我們的原住民委員會是否有一個明確的評估還有指出哪一些的預算的成效如何? |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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4913.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
從112年起我們推動的這個都市原住民地區的這個發展方案112年到116年我們5年預期的經費會大概是到7.6億那現在我們正在還在這個凝聚這個這個條例的草案我們會在近期會這個請行政院來審議也希望那個大院能夠 |
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4937.277 |
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4937.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
國門草案並同審議成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
有了這個這個這個後面的這個審查之後我們希望有一些的這個成效就是比如說比如說各個學校的尤其是比如像新北市有5所學校的這個補助還有推動22個地方政府的這個研資中心我們還辦理這個15所原住民的部落大學這個終身學習還有 |
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4974.8 |
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4978.682 |
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受理文化體驗營的這個活動還有類似這個我們這個很多的教育課程我們都在都會區來辦謝謝 謝謝我們的主委因為有很多就是需求要解決這個只是一個課程的過程所以像居住的部分所以我們有統計過就是原住民家庭自租的 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
5026.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
5039.048 |
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租屋補貼還有社會租宅的資源請問這些的問題有如何去改善我們的狀況如何因為我們希望的是真正的照顧到我們希望剛剛委員講的我們能夠持續來照顧到我們的原住民的同胞 |
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是是因為有很多遭到這樣子的就算我們新住民跟原住民都是會有就是雖然是說大家都不起事啦但是很多人的潛意識還是起事的所以說遭受到這樣子的一個一個部分所以我們要如何去改善啊不只是那個租補貼還有社會租宅還有我們一般的要去找工作還是租物會遭到就是拒絕 |
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我們是不是請署長回答一下報告委員其實現在社會住宅他已經規定有一定比例是是是我說除了這兩項外那有沒有其他施收要幫助到我們的原住民有像我們本身的我們本會的建構修站過去是11萬跟22萬那現在我們最近再進一步希望再把補助的經費再調高10%那這項做法已經報告行政院去爭取行政院的支持 |
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我知道我說除了這兩項外說我們有就是沒有辦法就是因為有身分表來去才有這個補助嘛除了這兩項外說有很多我們有受到這樣子的歧視啊或者是不給租物這樣子是有沒有其他的協助啦所以好沒關係我我是認為是說我們在原住民在在外地是 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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五、凸顯示我們原住民在就業的市場不利。 |
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5183.784 |
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保障外對於提供就業的創業培訓更多的機會就是要想要請教我們主委在這個方面有什麼策略就是租屋還有就業除了補助以外有沒有什麼策略更好的因為我們不是要靠補助來生活所以希望說上任後有更多的完善的策略 |
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現在我們原住民的失業率跟平地的失業率確實是有拉近沒有相差很遠我們這個計畫我們也會持續來協助希望這個像那個彰化他在這裡有一個原住民促進就業方案繼續來實施 |
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5251.32 |
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謝謝我們的主委因為剛才我們的委員有問到說一些文化的差異就像說很多人就是因為語言我們現在想要保留保留我們的語言還有文化像說 |
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拜土地公不見得就是說一樣是原住民但是我們希望的就是說我們是不是說因為你拜土地公你就變原住民不是應該應該是說例子好了像我們越南我們拜土地公是我們是有 |
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5287.487 |
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一個象徵來去拜這樣才是代表說你是有這個象徵不是因為你拜土地公你就是變成原住民不是這樣的邏輯所以我們也希望說把原住民的文化還有歷史真正的是保留因為沒有保留的話就會變成是減少現在就是像我們原住民的師資也會變少希望說這邊的話就導致很多學生沒辦法去學 |
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四、推廣更好 |
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是,所以我們就是希望是這樣所以我們是希望不管是原住民哪一族都有自己的特色跟文化希望我們原住民委員會更努力真正的解決我們都會市的環境還有居住還有就業還有我們保留我們原來的語言還有文化是,謝謝委員 |
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謝謝感謝感謝邁臻委員質詢。我們請劉行廷委員質詢。謝謝主席。這個主委有請。請主委。 |
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5384.933 |
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5408.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
謝謝委員主委早安這個本期要針對5月13這個搬遷原住民族語言傳播大樓的員工搬遷權益來做後續討論那個要上來支援的可以啦沒問題喔這個因為他直接影響原文會跟原語會加起來差不多500多名員工嘛那如果加上配偶加券等等可能會有接近2000位族人的權益啦 |
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5431.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
今天討論的主題是叫做都市原住民原住民族語言傳播大樓搬到桃園未來這些人搬進來他也是都市原住民的一部分上次我們討論到安置的配套裡面曾經有討論過是不是要做員工宿舍或者是合宜住宅這樣子的一個方式請問這個案子後續現在主委有沒有掌握 |
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5448.553 |
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現在我們應該是這兩天才剛剛跟這個這兩個基金會我們已經討論討論討論到了就是希望要挹注一些經費來解決他們的一些問題那挹注什麼樣的經費解決什麼樣的問題特別就是這個 |
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5472.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
請這兩個基金會的員工搬遷的前意我們要協助他們來幫忙來爭取這個他們的這個要蓋這個基金會希望在明年度的預算來協助所以是要幫他們蓋員工宿舍的意思嗎宿舍還要再等著兩基金會來做這個 |
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那是不是先請署長回答一下好跟委員這個報告我們的這個按照勞基法的二十條之一確實是要協助兩基金會的員工要提供必要的協助在搬遷永久繪紙這件事情上面那協助的方案包括有這個搬遷的補助 |
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5516.488 |
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包括有這個交通的這樣的一個補助協助那另外有關這個租屋租屋這部分的補助那這等等都還待還要等待兩基金會要溝通好了之後形成一個具體的方案再報到董事會這邊來通過通過之後才會送會裡面這邊來我們來做備查 |
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5534.563 |
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已經快要已經快要快要遷移了不是嗎沒有這個我們的建築土木工程會到明年的3月才完工室內裝修要到明年底才完工那實際的搬遷的這個時程大概會落在115年的3到6月 |
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5536.644 |
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5536.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
要請基金會 |
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5579.108 |
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大概三個月會形成這個具體的方案。三個月喔,好。上次答詢的時候你們有講啦,因為有徵詢桃園市政府的意見,但看起來桃園市政府配合的意願不高。但我們要做個釐清啦,後來我去了解了這整個提案的來龍去脈。他其實蠻希望在這個A16、A17附近嘛,就是說航空城的淡白區啦,來做一塊專有的像合一住宅。 |
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然後讓這個員工來做相對便宜的價格來做認購概念上來說我覺得這是不錯的但是我們也問了桃園市政府的意見我承諾過我來負責協助溝通協調嘛那桃園市政府目前狀況回應是這樣就是說A16跟A17中間是航空城的區段徵收現在還沒有走到配遞的階段所以說你要在做用地取得來說客觀上來講它有些困難但還沒有取得配遞的階段不表示我們不可以在這個案子上做一些努力啊 |
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為什麼呢?因為A16、A17周邊其實有非常多現在就是中央的土地叫農田水利署那現在我想請問這個原民會這裡有沒有針對中央的橫向連結先去了解說未來我能不能先取得一部分的土地讓我未來如果要興建員工宿舍或安置住宅是有土地可以用的 |
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根源委員報告包括這個合意住宅包括社會住宅的這兩個方案那因為兩基金會還沒有把具體的這個規劃送到會裡面這邊所以我們還是等兩基金會送這些具體的規劃方案過來之後我們再來做協助包括剛剛委員所提到的一些土地取得上面的一些協調等等 |
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我上次問你們的時候你們就講說是桃園市政府不配合然後現在問你的時候你現在變成說是兩基金會還沒有定案這種答詢的態度本席不是很滿意好沒關係新官上任我總是給你機會三個月內至少全部的方案你要怎麼去完善怎麼樣把土地的狀況先做調查 |
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包含做橫向溝通我要求原民會來做相關的處理因為本席認為與其發交通津貼或租屋補助你若願意橫向溝通取得土地有員工宿舍的方式衝擊最小福利最大我覺得也才能夠徹底解決那個本來在你這個地方 |
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原市或原民會上班的人因為搬遷我可能想要離職的狀況只有搬在附近解決通勤問題才能夠解決相關的問題也只有住在附近用最短的距離可能透過集結的方式來來上班才能降低桃園的交通衝擊那剛好旁邊既然有重劃就是有土地既然這是一個中央的政策為了照顧原住民族人同胞為了讓這個原住民語言傳播大樓的搬遷能夠順利它是一個中央政策的配套你當然是中央應該多有角色 |
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所以現在一步一步來嘛取得土地的部分就拿中央的土地來做撥用它其實是一個相對容易的方式後續要興建不管你講說是要興建只出不賣的員工宿舍或者是用合宜住宅低價認購的方式你原民會該編的預算你要先框出來先做準備中央的政策就由中央來處理行政程序上我相信桃園市政府會非常配合啦 |
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但是你如果一個中央的政策然後你要求說我還要求桃園市政府出地甚至要求桃園市政府出預算的時候本期作為桃園市的民意代表我可以告訴你地方財政其實非常吃緊建設也非常多中央的事就要由中央來出資源照顧原住民同胞大家都會配合但如果中央願意出這個資源然後願意推動這樣的政策桃園市政府如果不配合我也會帶頭 |
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來要求桃園市政府配合行政流程所以我認為行政流程困難不高土地剛好有農水署我已經單位都講出來了就請原民會這邊積極來做溝通可以嗎好 |
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好的好喔如果要可以無償就無償不然無償該撥經費購買架構也都可以喔這個交給你們來處理但三個月內我希望得到明確的答案再來如果您取得土地喔我也想問一下原民會現在的概念你的配套規劃的定位是什麼你要蓋合一住宅讓他們認購嗎還是說要蓋員工宿舍變成你在這邊上班你就可以長期租用是用哪一種的模式來做規劃這個還要跟他們討論嗎 |
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我們跟營務會再來討論還是營務會來回答一下沒關係啊現在有想法可以回答的就回答報告委員就是我們跟桃園市政府包括園民局跟督發的單位 |
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我們現在這個案也正在做討論然後可能在三個月內一定提出那當然剛才向委員提到的就是說讓員工的福利極大化我覺得能夠有員工宿舍的方案是最好那當然在之前因為我們原文會是財團法人我們並沒有那麼強的行政的協調協調的角度跟位置所以在這個部分我們會再跟原民會來做配合 |
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請原民會主委要幫忙啦,你是正式的機關,人家是你下轄的一個單位,對不對?積極的橫向聯繫,你們部裡面的長官也要來協助啦,好不好?先做一個橫向串聯啦,趕快把土地的問題先解決,我希望可以看到好的員工宿舍啦,好不好?那就三個月,三個月之內我要得到明確的答案,可以嗎?好,謝謝,辛苦了。謝謝,感謝牛心凌委員的質詢,我們現在高金召委的質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,我們有請主委。主委,恭喜你。謝謝。你心裡準備好了嗎?做主委這個位置。準備好了。準備好了。好,那準備好了,可是呢,今天,你知道主委應該要做什麼事情嗎?原民會的業務是什麼嗎?你們簡單說明一下。 |
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移民會的業務主要就是對我們整個原住民的政策的一個擬定。然後就是把這個經費來合理的分配到縣市甚至於鄉還有到我們的部落去。這個是 |
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最重要的一個業務職長特別是對原住民的政策相關的很多政策必須要跟大家來討論之後由原民會來整整合整個意見提出來那知道立法院有兩個會期現在這個會期是什麼下個會期是什麼 |
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現在是法案的會期下個會期應該就是預算的會期所以很重要一個是法案一個是預算對不對對好講法案好了你知道賴總統對原住民的政見有什麼嗎他對原住民的政見總括來講有七個那七個有七個就是說希望趕快就是說對這個平埔的這個認定齁能夠趕快趕快來做認定齁那還有就是這個 |
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開放、參與、落實共管原住民的一些資源哪有就是希望什麼?什麼共管?就是開放還有參與落實共管自然的資源我幫你講好了好不好第一個政見是回應平埔政民運動長期以來的盼望對不對? |
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二、深化原住民自治。三、培立部落、開放、參與、落實原住民共管、自然資源、守護土地。四、強化原住民健康服務。五、雙軌制建立原住民教育體系,為台灣教育增添多元性和創新能量。 |
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六、完善都市原住民族公共服務、居住權保障和參政管道。七、培育原住民族外交、文化、體育等多面人才,將原住民族故事推向國際。請問這七個你應該怎麼落實? |
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這七個第一個來講就是比較擠的就是那個南島語系的這個企德原住民的身份因為這個是憲法已經判決了那我們希望在期限內那你知道平埔族的人數有多少人嗎大約是這個98萬多啦好那這98萬裡面呢未來會面臨到什麼問題如果他們的身份別已經被認定的話你知道會有面臨什麼問題嗎 |
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最重要是他們的語言還有他們的文化都流失的很快不僅僅這個喔原民會主委要做的事情要盤點非常多的事情你知道嗎是比如說你們列舉一下會影響到現在既有的什麼預算的部分也會影響到啦好那你應該怎麼爭取預算 |
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98萬人口的話那應該跟行政院主計處主計總處怎麼樣爭取預算你有沒有想過然後未來他的社會福利和教育輔助你想過嗎還有最重要的是土地的問題如果按照傳統領域的話要怎麼樣增化邊緣保地 |
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所以你告訴我你在今天的第一大項就是說你希望在這個9月底把法律草案函報行政院審查11月底要通過行政院會函送大院來審議你連這麼多幾個簡單的大項都不知道請問你要怎麼樣送啊 |
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我會在很快的時間很快是多久你已經告訴我們了跟會裡面跟會裡面會裡面的誰會裡面的誰處裡面處裡面的誰就是我們這個負責的中規處這裡中規處 |
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還有最重要的是還要跟地方政府還要跟這個鄉所以三個月之內你可以解決嗎?可以提出來嗎?所以朱惠美在這邊建議你喔以後在這邊回答問題要小心喔因為你在這邊回答的問題都會列入公報 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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在這邊有非常多的問題原民的問題需要你要一肩扛起來啊我真的有點擔心欸因為剛剛有非常多的委員問到你非常多的問題你都沒有辦法具體的回答我都不知道您在你的業務範圍之內不僅僅是在原民會喔你還要跟其他的會其他的部會要橫向聯繫欸你看到沒有今天我在這邊安排了幾個重要有幾個部會來你知道嗎 |
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十三十三個到十四個部會對所以這幾個部會你都有去拜訪過嗎你都有告訴他你這個總統賴總統的七大政見嗎 |
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還沒有好了所以呢您剛告訴我說你準備好了主委你沒有準備好所以今天我們也不曉得該怎麼詢問您因為本席是原住民立法委員我不太願意在這邊讓我們自己的原住民的族人為難也不願意讓我們族人看到主委您在這邊出糗所以我有很多問題問不下去但是有幾個問題齁我還要請這個其他出來報告一下 |
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第一個就是我們的老委會教文處教文處請您上來一下您知道我們現在教文處我們有非常多的課後輔導的老師他們在這個基本工資還不達到老委會在今年核定的工資費用你看到了嗎我給你公文了沒有你們的回應是什麼 |
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現在請問一下我們的這個輔導員的工作津貼現在是多少錢 |
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你們根本沒有依照勞委會在1月1號今年公布的實行調整,你們照理說應該馬上就要來調整,你們給我公文是什麼?主委這要不要處理一下?什麼時候處理?是等你簽合嗎?還是怎麼樣? |
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現在在簽還沒看到我還沒看到誰沒有看到你還沒有看到那為什麼這麼久沒有我四月份就跟你公文了叫文處你們到底會不會無縫接軌啊我很擔心你們的行政業務沒有辦法無縫接軌耶委員報告我們現在已經正在簽合當中要 |
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要怎麼樣?你跟我們所有的這個教育工作者說一下你要怎麼處理?我們會比照這個教育部的夜光天使的計畫追溯到今年的1月1號來這個符合最低的這個基本薪資最低工資是多少?最低工資我們是用中點費來計算是183元對嘛,這是老委會公布的嘛那你現在工資是多少?大概167元左右好,差了多少? |
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主委,我在這邊還要交代您 |
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有幾件事情你一定要做第一個事情呢就是希望未來我們審預算的時候每一個預算別都要清楚知道你們要做些什麼可以嗎好可以齁可以緊接著就馬上要審你的預算了你的預算科目績效指標預期達到的效應這些相關的事項都要很清楚的告訴我可以嗎可以你講可以喔我可以我可以要求可以要求齁好那什麼時候會給我們 |
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你們大概三個月來回答一下我們按照規定到這個每年的8月31號會送立法院那我們到時候這個預算是送達的時候我們再請相關的補充說明再提供給委員做參考那大概什麼時候主委清不清楚知道我們就馬上要審預算了知道知道嗎那原民會的預算有多少 |
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111公務預算請問一下原民會你上任之前有沒有跟我們原民會的各處來討論一下你們的業務有那為什麼今天你回答都回答不出來 |
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有做檢要的報告了做檢要的報告今天也要來做業務說明耶 |
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主委請你加油努力好不好好吧我只有說加油努力啦期望你趕快趕上進度不過我很擔心就是說未來原民會的業務到底能不能夠無縫接軌 |
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行政上面會不會順暢,這個都是你要去做的,我們都不談賴總統的七大政見,只是行政業務的順暢銜接,可能你都要花很多的時間來努力了。好,謝謝委員。好,加油,謝謝。謝謝,我們感謝高金召委,我們請黃姐委員質詢。 |
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謝謝 謝謝主席 我們請曾主委要曾主委 |
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我很好好 謝謝先恭喜主委就任希望接下來還有很多事情我們要一起努力首先我想要請教一下主委知道說最近我們立法院都在討論有三個跟花東然後跟可能會經過花東的三個法案包括環島高鐵、國道6號、東延還有花東快不知道主委知不知道知道 |
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這三個法案我們原民會有沒有相關的業務會經過你們的評估?不知道你們內部有沒有先行討論了呢?這三個法案 |
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應該要經過原住民的部落或者是說希望要開發原住民的土地的話必須要這個取得原住民部落的諮商的同意沒錯這就是我想要知道的因為這三個法案現在就是大家也估算說經費的需求超過兩兆 |
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那要求我們行政機關要在10年內蓋完可是因為這些法案到目前都還沒有實質的討論也沒有任何的評估就已經被全案保留送出交通委員會並且排入到院會準備二三讀的議程了只是到現在還沒有審到 |
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那之前交通部其實也有評估過說像花東塊至少會經過11個原民的部落那甚至也會經過像剛剛主委說的有非常多是包括原住民族部落的傳統領域也有可能會徵收到原住民族的土地才能完成的甚至呢對於部落的環境 |
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臺灣土地的生態都可能造成劇烈的衝擊所以我想要請教的是主委你們現在原民會有沒有經過這些像是這11個原民的部落可能受到影響的衝擊的居民有沒有已經是就是大概幫他們評估一下怎麼保障他們接下來發表意見甚至是法律上的權益呢書刑處長來說明 |
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好那針對這個可能會影響到的11個部落那這個部分我們會去協助他們就是說去讓他們了解說整個慈山同義要怎麼樣去進行因為有很多部落他其實對這個部分非常的陌生沒錯這就是我們擔心的在部落們都還非常陌生甚至都還不清楚的情況下這個這三個法就已經被送到院會甚至被排入議程了 |
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所以我想要講的是現在其實我們原基法裡面有明定這樣的精神如果政府要在原住民族的土地或是部落或是周邊的一定範圍內要從事任何土地的開發公共的開發必須要經諮商並且取得原住民族或是部落的同意並且參與並且跟原住民族來分享相關的利益這個在你們業務報告裡面其實也有提到說接下來我們應該要來 |
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來修這個諮商取得原住民族部落的同意的參與辦法那當然我很肯定只是說現在像是這三個法就已經迫在眉睫囉那現在我們如果有任何原住民族相關的會影響到他們權益的拜託我們原民會一定要做第一層的把關好嗎好 |
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因為我希望說像是在這三案裡面現在主人的立場是什麼然後你們原民會的角色是什麼一定都要積極的發聲不要讓原住民族的土地正義在這種多數暴力的情況下被強行碾壓那再來提到一下今天的這個法我想要請教的是因為其實我們現在都有在做相關的都是原住民族的發展的政策對嗎 |
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對然後你們就你們的這個業務報告裡面有提到我們有一些相關的相關的發展的方案報告對嗎對那我們現在定這個發展的條例跟這個發展的方案之間是如何搭配的 |
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也就是說我想知道的是我們現在訂這個法的用意以及他接下來若真的要施行到底對於發展的方案上面是有什麼具體的幫助以及什麼樣的法律授權 |
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這個定這個都市的這個發展條例最主要是在55個鄉以外的都會尤其是超過1500個人涉及超過1500個人的原住民的話會有更就是說更明確的這個照顧了 |
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因為像很多在原鄉施行的計畫沒有辦法在這個都會區來做照顧比如說在都會區裡面要蓋聚會所啦或者是一些相關語言文化的設施他必須要有這樣的一個法以後會對原住民更明確 |
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二、審查法一定會衝擊縣市政府、鄉國所、甚至部落。希望跟完備討論。希望草案趕快討論,跟委員提出來的案一起討論會更完備。 |
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6919.64 |
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好,所以現在大家在問的是還沒看到院板對嗎?是那你們院板現在在哪裡?什麼時候要送進來?是不是應該要一起來討論才可以把彼此之間的衝突更完備呢?好,目前我所知道那個信息就是說還在跟地方政府有一些比較細的部分還在跟他們做討論討論好的時候我們的草案就會提出來 |
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好 所以現在所以大概什麼時候才會送願版因為現在我們已經有四個委員的版本了已經在這裡了那也準備要實質審查了可是還是沒有看到願版那既然我們實質要施行上還有更多要跟地方政府討論的部分是不是你們也給一個時程大家才知道說接下來我們到底具體收攏這個意見才可以送出這個版本嗎 |
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我們會盡快開公聽會,然後來提出我們的版本。好,我支持啊,我覺得這個公聽會應該要開,因為這個攸關地方政府嘛,所以其實應該要到各個縣市有受到影響的地方政府跟他們做實質的討論,對嗎?是。好,那希望我們這個公聽會趕快來促成,然後趕快把最後的院版訂案好嗎?好。好,謝謝主委。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
王美惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
6988.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
7000.638 |
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主席、主委、主委、不要緊張、不要緊張。主委,本席提供的策略,在內政的時候,我們有姓名條例,在這裡面本席特別質詢說,如果我們原住民的同仁,所有要如何恢復傳統的姓名,應該是, |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
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7023.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
演繹一個最好的方法：包括外境：一層的服務：是不是合併名：還要免納這些經費：在條文當中提供的實施：我們這個條文已經在三度通過了主委你知道這個過程是要讓我們的原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
7059.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
的方便又讓他們不用負擔要多錢的費用嗎?來,主委你知道這件事嗎? |
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我向委員報告,代表我們這個換這個證明換身分證,這個我們都有辨明措施,措施已經都有。是啦,我現在要問你,你知道嗎?我知道啦。你知道嘛,來,你知道啦。剛才本市長在下課,聽到他說0304,我們就在我們原住民的家裡, |
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| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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救災等於救治啦!在這裏面,你又說高飛會受損的時候,這個經費,你的報告是六月中旬。 |
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來,你回答一下。 |
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7153.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
老闆娘報告,這個0403發展這個政宅,這個稿費也好,還是那個部落的賭路也好,我們都有內含這個公所,跟這個管政部協助。沒有啦,我現在要告訴你,你可以做這樣嗎? |
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7184.727 |
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來啦!可以做這樣嗎?報告委員,其實本來現在各公所本來就設立單一倉庫在受理,因為就近公所,他直接跟公所受理就可以了。不是啦!我現在的意思就是說,跟我們有事要關住民國,不知道要怎麼辦,要怎麼做啦! |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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來,你是不是很了解,來來來,主席,什麼人很了解回答一下,可能他聽不到我的意思,便民,公安局的便民,你們聽到沒有啦,當地的原住民,要租金要做什麼,直接去來協助啦 |
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7244.769 |
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對喔!我現在的做法就是這樣啊!做法這樣?不是喔!我剛才在外面叫你問的是,你們要跟原住民的人上街去公訴申請咧!我現在的意思是,你們原住民裡面的人像之前在你全國可以讓他們這樣處理啦! |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
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7282.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
好,我們現在的做法就是,我們知道人在哪裡,我們就派人去看,看他們的行情什麼。我的意思是說,你派人去看的時候,他的資料都很有啊,是要怎麼領埋他的資料,你不怎麼拿去審查,他有三天啦。對啊,我看了報告的行情,把他送走啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7283.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
7295.239 |
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這沒有問題阿沒有問題喔對對好沒有問題喔要趕緊走喔我們現在正在做喔現在在做對可是他剛才說的不是現在在做的喔再來在這樣發生的時候像你們這樣說的當時可以站到他們的手上可以去他們使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
7309.206 |
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7316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
呃...只...這部分我會跟新...地方政府協調他的行政處要快...加快一點啦加多快重快重速重進問題是在上面還是在上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
7344.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
在地方?在地方?對那地方不是國警說要救災救災?還說要現骨?還說要挖骨?零四零三今天已經三十多萬公尺三十了勒?我跟委員報告比方說教會修繕我們禮拜我們明天會開說明會開了說明會我們現場的領據請他簽一簽之後我們就辦理好,那你還要背什麼那收儲的壓勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
7348.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
7360.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
修繕部分的話,也就是他如果說我們到現場現刊,現刊如果符合資格,我們把簡化的表格都簡化了。簡化只要有照片。我知那樣,簡化那個我知那樣。對。齁?對。當時有一次, |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
7366.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
現在我講的是這樣 |
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7405.579 |
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對啊,包委員,我們這部分我們會加速來辦啦。加速?啊加速多久?對,請花蓮縣政府要進一層書館那個行政程序來做處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7418.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我認為,說到去申勞名,我所說的就是,百姓受災害,冠軍愛職,不是說跟你們爭取,你們也要替百姓去法輪劍戶堆,這個職位到底當時要來嗎?這才是目的,這才是要緊啊! |
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7432.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7444.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
五、在本市經濟資訊上有說到如果我們搬走的時候,我們可以願意給他一個緩衝三個月,您現在討論得如何來?來,還是盲盲的,盲你自己說,盲盲的就賣一個啦,不可以退我們的財政。包委員,對不起,我剛剛沒有聽出緩衝什麼業務。 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
7458.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7464.101 |
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我們是不是要表示,我如果你們接受的話,你們都沒有討論啊。你們要去討論的時候,你們想要讓他們可以有幾個月,有幾個月,但是在台北,在哪裡,要去討論的時候,不一定可以啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
7481.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
7506.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我又知道你的業務,我又想說你沒錢了。那個沒有三個月的緩衝期。沒辦法,還是怎樣?還是還要研議?三個月,以前我拿去說要有三個月的緩衝期,讓他們考慮一下。對,那個部分沒有問題,就是在他們的協助裡面就要放這個緩衝期。好來,沒問題來。主席還有一個問題給我。 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7510.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7530.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
來,主委,我要請問一下,您保護館要去哪裡?台獨外列的工作報告?高雄的陳清湖。哦,高雄的陳清湖。再來,您的集會所,您如果說高麗,來選對選的人要來請來,那您如果要去集會所,多少人可以去?多少人你要去? |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7542.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7548.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
希望在一千五百人以上希望啦齁,這樣啦,我針對高利貸啦,你講,現在沒有一個高利貸1280倍的,又欠兩百十二個、五千五個啊,你一位所要去的時候,你有哪個高利貸有參選過嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
7562.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7576.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
您的做法是要原住民的婚禮照顧好好的不是原住民住在山的原住民都一直來郭國瑜來市來選我您是要啦!市來也要購!山也要購!這個是有作為有單單的主委啊! |
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7587.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7604.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
若請你這麼做的事,說得沒保人啊!主委,你這個研議者,看了差不多一禮拜的信,給我一個書面,以上。好,我問報告,我們今天看過,嘉義市民政局我們會主動來協助啊,我們看過啊。 |
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7608.229 |
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好 謝謝美匯委員的質詢 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7635.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7654.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
好來繼續我們請李博義委員質詢請曾主委喝口水謝謝主委謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7661.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7670.171 |
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剛剛其實有官員做了一個不太好的示範可能我們美會委員寬宏大量沒有說要移送反質詢的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7671.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7697.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
主委聽了你的報告那知道你原本從屏東從山地門那可以來為台灣原住民來原住民族來做事我覺得要給你一些力量但是也要給你一點時間那但是你的報告裡面我發現你充滿信心的有兩塊我這樣聽起來第一塊就是對於原住民博物館的進度 |
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7698.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7714.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
原住民博物館的進度你剛剛的報告裡面是在2032年要完成要營運上一個原民會的主委從2016年到2024年任期8年2032年到從今天開始算到2032年也是8年 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7722.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7735.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
這8年你必須要做的事情除了把原民博物館把它完成營運之外中間過程還有很多的挑戰包含你剛剛說的平埔族的正名 |
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7765.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
平埔的正名剛剛張宏祿委員講得非常精彩把這個平埔族的這個文化等等的這個界定等等的都有太太多太廣泛的事情要做那我想這個也不是你一時之間可以急著那你剛剛也在回應的時候有講出這個20世紀就日治時期的一個研究報告我想跟 |
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7766.158 |
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7791.343 |
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目前我們真正的要去調查平譜的這些不管是文化或者是族人或者是身份或者是界定等等的都有非常非常大的不同那所以我想主委的這個要面對的挑戰很多之外呢那我在這邊也建議主委齁其實這8年如果有信心做這8年 |
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7793.069 |
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7812.997 |
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中間有很多關於原住民權益的問題包含我們今天準備要來討論的這個涉及在平地都會的原住民的權益要不要涉相關的條例來維護他們的權益的等等的問題我想在委員會裡面也有資深 |
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7816.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7839.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
你剛剛說你22年有資深的這些委員不斷的在提出原住民這些進步的方案那也有包含陳寅委員吳立華委員不斷的在提出原住民的這些權益的方案等等都是主委你要跟得上的主委那就你剛剛的這一個我剛剛這樣講你有沒有信心做8年你有沒有準備要做8年 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7841.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7844.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
原住民博物館最重要的精神是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7867.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7886.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
希望推動他未來原住民博物館營運之後你希望他可以帶來什麼樣的這些效益希望他是一個臺灣第一座的這個國家級的原住民博物館以國家的這個高度來不要看稿念跟我講好就是希望他以這個這個臺灣的高度來 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7890.868 |
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7915.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
國立原住民博物館做好我們不希望它只是台灣的原住民博物館它更是南島羽族的博物館因為我們台灣的很多的文物我們去我們的友好國家去看不管是帛琉不管到東馬不管到紐西蘭都有很多我們的文物已經流到那邊去了那現在我們希望說把台灣的一些文物還有的文物 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7916.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7932.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
沒有的話就跟部落來做借展那我們原住民文化園區就已經有這個在那邊收藏1375件的文物這個準備就是直接將來無縫接軌到原住民博物館甚至以原住民博物館的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7932.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7957.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
也就是說在這個將來要做原住民博物館的業務的人現在也已經我們都已經在受信請我們臺灣4個大的博物館比如說臺博館還有這個死錢館來協助人也在信念我們不是說8年後才開始信念我們都已經準備好了主委我想給你一個建議你剛剛講的其實都是物 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7958.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7982.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
那我給你一個建議高雄市政府曾經高雄市政府曾經要在蓋流行音樂中心之前他做了哪一些事情他做了舉辦很多這個動態型的包含音樂會包含展覽包含活動等等的其實這一個流行音樂中心興建的期間也有可能是8年 |
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7983.044 |
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但是這8年期間高雄市政府他也孕育出非常非常多的活動包含大港開唱包含非常多的音樂祭都在這8年期間新建的期間去舉辦我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7998.951 |
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8021.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
原博物館他帶來的不會只有您剛講的文物等等我希望他還是包含原住民相關動態的活動等等的那不斷的舉辦不斷的吸引不斷的讓有興趣的人來對原住民博物館的這個關注我覺得這個原民會也可以朝這個方向來努力主委是 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
8023.157 |
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8050.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
謝謝那另外呢有關於平地原住民已經涉及在平地原住民的部分目前已經超過整個原住民人數的一半了是不是是那如果要朝向這一個來修訂這個平地原住民涉及平地原住民的這些這個條例的權益的話其實跟地方政府有非常非常大的相關在這邊也要建議我們主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
8051.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
8078.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
所有有關縣市政府的這些一定要去走訪一定要去聽取大家的意見之外那這些地方的公聽會我想也是必須要去聽取的這個是主委刻不容緩馬上要做的事情現在雖然今天是你上任的第11天但是我們沒有時間等待希望主委趕快按部就班趕快去做好每一件事情謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
8080.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
8101.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
好 謝謝李博義委員的質詢 謝謝 謝謝主委不會 我覺得今天的委員大家都非常的善良也對主委釋出非常多的善意所以希望主委今天回去了之後趕快加緊你的腳步趕快瞭解一下原民會裡面的業務好嗎 謝謝繼續我們請黃仁委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
8115.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
8135.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
有請曾主委,謝謝主席。好,有請曾主委。各位,恭喜你上任。但是我不認識你,因為你也從來沒有來見我。第二個,你認為這個位置可以讓你可以待多久? |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
8138.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
8158.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我來跟委員報告我就沒有想過要待多久我來要做事情不是要守護這個位置你現在在你不要把屏東鄉公所或是屏東的園民處當作是中央園民會這個思維你要改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
8159.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8161.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
今天我要講的我們是以專業取勝今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
8189.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
8217.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你要針對全國原住民的事物跟他的生存前包含他要延續他的生命跟歷史這個責任在你身上現在我們是屬於南島語系的民族裡面現在反觀我們整個南島語系的民族我們有2.5億的人口在看你你不能把我們原住民當笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
8219.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8237.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
當笑話我現在跟你講一下剛剛我們很多委員問你一問三不知你上來應該心理上就有所準備你既然歷練了20年在地方為原住民的事務都已經在做了應該駕輕就熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
8241.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8266.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
可是大家很多委員問你什麼都一問不知所以現在我要告訴你是原住民的議題裡面今天是一個非常關鍵而且在國際認同我們臺灣甚至聯合國在臺灣是一個少數民族的夥伴關係也是屬於列入觀察員你要記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
8267.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8290.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
今天你所言一句都是對原住民有相關未來要向下沉淪還是要向上提升向上提升這個是你現在要擔任主委的一個關鍵我看到你的這個報告裡面所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
8291.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8292.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
二、審查二、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8312.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8339.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
我們現在看的是你的未來的施政重點也就是我們賴總統的施政重點裡面平衡組的身份權包含民主自治跟自然資源共管強化健康服務雙軌教育體系及都會原權的這個福利及多領域人才培育及持續深化打造 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
8341.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8349.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
這個貼近原住民族的這個不是很深化深入對原住民未來的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8350.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8376.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
今天在都會區裡面現在已經有將近五成都在都會區裡面應該在涉入一體叫居住正義你能不能跟總統跟賴總統講一下你未來的施政裡面居住正義是一個針對都會區的發展這是一個非常重要的你能不能告訴給總統注入居住正義這一塊你回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8389.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8404.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
因為現在是急迫性為什麼現在房價不斷的在增長我們很多的年輕人很多的原住民包含都會區的這些家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8406.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8435.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
要買房子不容易現在要取得土地現在很多在都會區的原住民對居住正義的渴望跟需求有多麼重要知道居住正義這一塊是在整個你們的施政方向裡面雖然每一項都非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
8436.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8454.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
可是目前急迫性的就是居住正義在都會區裡面如何解決他們的居住的問題這就是你最大的一個難題也是要突破的一個問題所以這個就是你現在要用用心的現在我不講 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8455.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8474.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不講這些未來的建設什麼 下一次我好好的要問你那我希望你趕快進入狀況 趕快進入狀況未來的施政的方向 尤其在都會區我在都會區將近30年 我了解都會區的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8476.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8504.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
當然我們在整個鄉鎮他們急迫性的除了我們的土地正義之外第二個就是我們如何在循環經濟裡面產生它的觀光產業包含放寬原住民族屬於自己的原保地能夠放寬多功能使用這就是目前你要突破的議題為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8506.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8507.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
土地是我們的母親 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8509.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8536.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
既然政府在原基法裡面已經富裕給我們的保障你就好好的這一些原基法裡面好好的深化深耕把這一些一一的落實不要只是一個書面包含文字遊戲一起把我們原住民毀搖到現在都還不清楚歷史的回歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8538.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8562.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
歷史的回歸也應該要給我們真正正式原住民的土地的正義既然原基法裡面保障我們的話那你就好好的一個一個的落實屬於原保地有自己的原住民的原保地應該除了不破壞這個零物用地包含山坡地包含水源地之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8565.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8589.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
應該複製給他更大的使用管理辦法土地的使用管理辦法能夠放寬能夠放寬讓他有一個來自循環經濟他能夠去使用屬於像自己的私人的土地一樣使用這就是你要思考的地方我會不斷的問你的進度如何推展 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8591.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8611.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這是國人現在目前最急迫性對原保地的管理辦法跟放寬使用辦法裡面本席已經提出這個所謂土地的放寬使用我們在土地裡面主席謝謝再給我幾分鐘接一分鐘就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8612.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8635.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我們既然我們在原住民的傳統領域的土砂包含我們的漂流木漂流木跟土石在傳統領域天災遇到天災之後應該有原住民優先的來採用來採用列為他的砂石銀行這就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8636.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8663.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
本來呼籲給我們的原基法裡面在我的傳統領域這個土砂裡面流失的話也應該給原住民做殺死銀行造就原住民的經濟這才是你現在的重點好以上謝謝主席好謝謝黃榮委員的質詢謝謝謝謝曾主委對繼續我們請吳清明召委吳清明召委質詢後我們休息5分鐘好不好可以嗎請問一下在場委員可以齁好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8666.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8667.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8682.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8708.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
主委恭喜你來擔任我們原住民委員會的主委那我們的今年我們所編列的預算也超乎了過去的所有的預算今年編列了111億這是歷年來最高的這也要感謝我們原住民的委員以及我們的召委他們的用心爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8711.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8713.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
原住民在渡費期內比例超過一半。 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8725.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8742.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
未來宴景部分現在很多都落在都會期都會期我們要怎樣來照顧我們原住民不管是就業也好不管我們的孩童的就學也好我們要怎樣讓他們有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8744.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8746.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8765.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8765.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8782.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8782.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
新北市公有地提撥公有地 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8812.372 |
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原住民委員會籌劃與新北市合作蓋基會所讓族人有很好的空間這是我長期在推動所以原住民生態公園做好了有空到那邊去看一下那你看未來我們的基金會是不是 |
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找一個適當的地點我們來推動我們的集會所好的那你的看法呢可不可行因為你那個地方就符合我們現在的一些相關的這個補助的規定但是土地的部分的一定要解決就是希望土地他不是有爭議或者是有沒有土地一定要公家的土地是對你原住民你要變預算你土層那個地段那麼貴也買不起啊是 |
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好,對不對?那,因為我們 |
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原住民委員會你要跟新北市新北市也有原民籍嘛是對不對你要跟他主動的跟他們接洽是不是在我們土城找一個適當的地點來蓋一個聚會所這樣你才能落實來照顧到我們所有的原住民在我們的都會區裡面讓他們有一個很好的空間這是我們大家共同的期待吧好 |
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像我9月吧我每年都會辦一個紫風車嘛我紫風車裡面還是針對我們原住民的語言來做先導因為畢竟在那邊很多原住民的小朋友他們也是很喜歡看這個紫風車到時候我會邀請主委我們一起來參加好不好好 |
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因為主委其實我們原住民早期你看在基層我們都可以看得到他們跟我們平地的還是有點落差那我們就你看我們所有的原住民的委員大家這幾年真的也是付出很多替原住民爭取了非常多那我們都要去珍惜我們未來我們原住民 |
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該做的我們都是會全力來配合所以我們的法條所設定的我們制定的一定要說更捉眼讓我們後來後續要推動會更加的順暢這是我們大家共同的期待因為原住民的權益我們都會支持 |
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主席 |
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我看你們都蠻緊張的啊因為你們從新成立起來的都很有經驗啊我看你們也是很記憶 |
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好、好、好 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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四、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查 |
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好,謝謝。我們請所有的官員回到位置上。我們要繼續開會了。繼續我們請徐宇貞委員來質詢。謝謝主席。我們請曾主委。好,我們請曾主委。 |
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好 曾主委我想請教你關於原住民族的自治法你在你的書面報告裡提到對第5頁有提到行政院曾經5次送請立法院審議皆無法獲至共識逐漸推動原住民族自治法的艱鉅請問主委民進黨過去8年有沒有提出原住民族自治法的草案到立法院審議沒有跟委員報告 沒有沒有 為什麼 |
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因為你報告不是寫曾經5次嗎?但是過去8年民進黨一次都沒有提出原住民族自治法的草案,為什麼? |
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後來沒有事,因為就改用婚留立法的這個方式來進行。好,我想請教一下,賴清德總統說他會找原住民社會各界一起討論,並找出最好的做法讓原住民落實自治。那原住民族基本法的第4條也有明訂。請問一下,你們什麼時候要跟原住民社會各界討論?何時可以提出原住民自治法的草案,送交立法院審議? |
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跟委員報告原住民自治是真的是不容易但是至少到目前為止我們有先找幾個組像比如講這個太魯閣跟這個盧凱先做討論他們比較容易取得共識的這個族群是不是要來先做那我們目前這兩個組也正在也討論的算是比較有一點點這個進度的這兩個部落 |
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總共要跟多少族討論?我們陸續會跟16族來討論,像亞美的部分,亞美還有北南。那如果以這個速度來算,過去8年你現在跟兩個族討論,那這樣的話才要多久的時間才有可能討論完? |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
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我們盡快來完成幾個族群因為我知道主委剛上任那我剛剛也聽了很多委員質詢主委是很勇於任事所以你都一直講盡快盡快但是盡快的意思就是沒有一個時程所以還是希望說主委這邊還是要我們覺得原民會還是要定出一個時程還有你剛剛提到的分流立法因為其實以分流立法來說目前 |
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我們看到的是原住民因為其實像原住民基本法第20條有規定就是原住民也希望政府能夠早一點制定原住民族土地跟海域法就是依據你分流立法的一個概念一直說可以這個保障分流立法可以保障原住民土地跟海域的權益但是你們分流分到最後現在原住民族土地跟海域法有制定嗎還沒有 |
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還沒有還沒有嗎對所以說你們現在是不想制定這個法案還是賴清德總統的想法還是朱偉寧的想法我們會會啦這邊我們還會還會討論不會不會不會因為剛剛你講到分流立法的一個概念嗎 |
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可是我們現在看到是分流立法分到最後到最後什麼法都沒定所以其實應該是要回到原住民的自治法這個部分不要再用分流立法的方式因為其實分流立法到最後到目前為止還是什麼都沒制定是 |
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那請主委這個部分要回去要審慎的這個考慮那另外主委您在報告的第1頁就說要依據憲法法庭判決的結果完成原住民身份法的修法或另訂專法 |
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讓平埔族可以取得原住民的身份。憲法法庭給的期限是114年10月27日前要完成。請問原民會目前是朝著原住民身份法的修法還是制定專法來處理?我們是朝制定專法來進行。 |
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9619.315 |
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那既然要朝制定專法來這個進行的話那我們知道嘛剛剛也有很多委員提到對於我們原住民產生的衝擊非常的大不管是各方面那接下來我也要跟主委探討如何保障平地原住民跟山地原住民的權益 |
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因為賴清德總統去年曾經請原民會要審慎的評估還有積極的處理平埔族正名之後的後續的法制工作讓平埔族的身份認同感獲得保障而且也要依據各原住民族客觀的需求國家資源的分配為原則 |
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回復平埔族獲得民族身份之後的相關權利請問一下主委您剛剛有提到平埔族的人數現在大概是98萬人那目前3地原住民和平地原住民加起來是59萬人所以說平埔族取得原住民的身份之後既有的資源會不會被稀釋 |
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我們是先讓這個平埔取得原住民的身份那至於潛力跟義務我們後續再來還有還要再做一些這個因為剛剛提到的這個人數的比例你會知道原來的山園跟平原加起來是59萬平埔除就有98萬了所以說如果以這樣的一個資源分配的話很難去不去稀釋到原來我們的這個原住民的一些資源 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
而且依照這個蔡賴清德總統的邏輯,平埔族取得原住民的身份之後,那個主委認為原民會的預算要增加多少才夠用?差不多,如果是這樣的話,我們大概可能要到200億了。對啊,那200億的這個預算要從哪裡來? |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我是跟業裡面來做報告依法來編這樣的一個預算所以這個都目前都還不知道的狀況之下那主委第一個要推動的就是平樸處的這個證明原住民身份法所以都還沒有經過審慎的評估那如果你現在說經過預算要增加200億那這會排擠到其他的預算這個部分其實可能都沒有辦法像主委講的這麼的這麼的圓滿然後我現在因為想要證明 |
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平埔族所以我後續的問題都可以就是自然的解決我覺得這個都要審慎的評估而不是一味的說我先來推動讓他們證明那證明之後後續就是面臨到這麼多的問題資源的問題預算的問題還有請教一下我們的這個原住民的這個原住民保留地要真是不是可以他們可是不是也可以購買了這個只有原住民才可以購買原住民保留地對那平埔族呢可不可以購買 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這個還沒有討論到所以說我就是點出幾個問題啦我現在只是只是點出這兩個問題可能都已經很自愛難行了所以說這個問題只是其他請主委回去你們一定要神聖的評估不要為了說因為這是賴總統的政見就一定要去把它完成而是要真正的能夠照顧到平埔族照顧到我們山園跟平原的權益是好 謝謝還有兩分鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
請問會不會導致原保地價格飆漲,讓實際生活在部落的原住民會買不起原保地? |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
按照現行的規定的話他還不能買那如果你證明完之後他成為原住民的話他可不可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
現在原住民的參政權、教育權、工作權要怎麼獲得保障? |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9885.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9902.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
現有的這個原住民的參政權你看比如我們立委有六席還有各地的不管是議員、代表這些我們本來都有一個原住民的一些名額那現在好你把評估出證明之後這些參政權你要怎麼保障教育權、工作權要怎麼保障 |
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9923.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
就立法委員的部分是要修憲的那至於地方制度法的那就是回歸到地方制度法就是地方縣市議員要怎麼寫那是回歸到地方制度法但是你講的是法制面那要怎麼去保障是名額要增加還是要會去排擠到現有的名額這個可能到時候都要請原民會這邊要審慎來評估以上 謝謝 |
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9926.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9951.646 |
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好,非常謝謝徐宇貞委員的質詢,謝謝主委的回答。主委,我真的實在是,今天這個,宇貞回,這個,質詢的這個問題是真的很重要的一個問題,而且您在今天的報告也列為第一個部分。你在今年9月底要把法律草案函報行政院,11月底要通過行政院後函送大院,感覺好像您都還沒有準備好。 |
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9966.435 |
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9981.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
因應移居非原住民族地區原住民面臨之各種問題政府時應加強對都市地區原住民族權益保障為如何避免應加強對都市地區原住民族權益保障使都市化此息效應加劇反造成原鄉人口老化部落空洞化問題 |
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9982.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
10009.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
由都市地區原住民族發展條例草案之立法現有各委員提案版本內容規範不一層面廣泛。原請原住民族委員會邀請相關部會地方政府與都市地區原住民族團體部落代表等召開公聽會﹐聽取各界意見﹐以使對都市地區原住民族權益之保障與協助更加周延可行。提案人委員王美惠等7人。臨時提案二有建議原民會出版主委個人施政專刊產生預算科目 |
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| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
10012.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
有鑑於原民會出版主委個人施政專刊產生預算科目明不符時之疑慮。據此,要求原住民族委員會每年9月15日比照經濟委員會各部會﹐制定相關預算科目西部計劃說明表﹐寫清楚預算科目績效指標﹐預期效益等相關事項﹐確保預算明時相符。提案人委員高金素美等4人。宣讀完畢。 |
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我們討論一下第一案第一案大家有沒有意見?郵民會但是在沒有意見之前我是不是來詢問一下這個去年度其實已經辦了非常多的慘事對不對來 處長來回應一下辦了幾次我們總共就是因為當時我們委託政治大學他們其實總共辦了七慘事 |
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已經辦了辦過7場次了嗎對不對然後研討會也辦過對不對辦了幾次研討會辦一次好好去年也委託也也也也你們也也也把這個提案提出來了過對不對 |
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去年我們是有先跟行政院的另外一層委員報告過草案的內容那你現在可不可以說明一下到底有什麼治安難行跟困難的地方因為現在就是有我們的委員提案希望你們再邀請相關部會地方政府跟都市地區的原住民團體剝落代表召開公聽會你覺得這個公聽會召開完了以後會解決現在一些問題嗎 |
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因為目前這個草案的內容都有涉及到一些地方政府職長的一些事項比如說有些部分是需要地方政府去訂定一些後續的法規然後甚至有些部分也涉及到地方政府的預算編列所以這部分確實可能還需要再跟地方政府再去進一步的溝通 |
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所以那你認為我們要辦幾場的公聽會才能夠解決這些問題還是問題還是就是說我們公聽會就算是辦完了很多的問題還是沒有辦法解決 |
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辦公廳會我們會盡量跟地方政府達成達成共識的因為這個部分有些部分可能還是需要中央政府的協助的部分我們也可以透過公廳會去釐清彼此之間的一個那中央政府要幫忙協助什麼東西有些部分是預算的編類因為這個部分它其實都原條例的內容它其實算是你們討論過的這個預算到底要增加多少 |
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預算的部分因為目前我們已經有一個都市原住民族發展方案在那個地方在執行了那那個是一個跨部會的方案他總共會有七十幾億的預算未來五年會有七十幾億的預算會投入到都市地區原住民的所以這個部分 |
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預算的部分不會增加很多所以這樣子好不好那個美匯委員我是尊重你們的提案但是我們是不是在這提案當中也請原民會之前召開過了這幾次的研討會還有很多的公聽會 |
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五、委託研究過後提供報告。 |
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臨時提案第二案大家有沒有意見? |
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每年9月15日以前制定相關預算科目西部計劃說明表。 |
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寫清楚預算的科目、績效的指標、預期效益等等相關的事項,確保預算明實相符。可以嗎?請問一下洪祿委員。我覺得把比照經濟委員會各部會刪掉。對,我知道。 |
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所以就是原此要求原住民族委員會在每年的9月15號要制定相關的預算科目、細部計畫說明表、寫清楚預算的科目、績效的指標、預期效益等相關事項確保預算明實相符,可以嗎?好,那圓明會有沒有意見?好啦,這樣好啦,敢不敢有什麼意見?15號錢,好不好?對,再加一個錢來,圓明會 |
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所以現在臨時提案這個第一個來我們來加一下文字再提 |
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我們在原來的提案文字後面加上並請原住民族委員會提供歷來辦理座談會、研討會及委託研究資料提供給內政委員會各委員參考不僅提供資料你們要整理一下因為我想在場的委員們看太多的這些公聽會的資料都看不完了你們要整理完好不好對 |
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對有幾個問題點然後要解決的要注意的然後中央各部會有哪一些人要來協助可以嗎 |
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第一句改成並請原住民族委員會提供並整理然後歷來辦理座談會研討會及委託研究的資料給內政委員會還有公聽會的因為我們之前都是用座談會的方式所以你們沒有開過公聽會沒有公聽會就是座談會而已是不是好 |
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主席主席主席 |
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那會不會就是就一直會延後對博議委員先表達齁這個對這個是支持齁但是欸 集場公聽會我我沒有我沒有意見啦但是我會建議地方政府一定要落實的去拜訪跟討論那個地方政府會有不一樣的意見跟需求那地方政府如果沒有 |
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10512.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
10514.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我們大概會跨到幾個地方政府? |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
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目前就是除了花東之外的地方政府都會涉及到因為目前花東都是原住民族地區那其他的縣市都有都會都有定義上的都會地區的原住民族 |
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所以這樣子會蠻多的,會蠻長的一段時間。不是,因為主委在這,我說要叫人家送齁,感覺齁,說實在,你們想這個法案給地方都不知道,像剛才本市長問的,跟你們說的,我覺得落差也蠻大的,所以我還要求一個公聽會,大家有意見,有什麼,提出來說,看 |
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您需要什麼,地方配合什麼,跟他們的困難做一對,這樣才是最重要。不然你們說要做要做,跟地方如果不配合也是沒辦法。 |
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好,所以這個因為陳營委員也有提案那現在我們有一個臨時提案就是希望能夠在原民會要邀集相關部會地方政府和都市地區原住民團體部落代表要召開公聽會聽完了之後這個我們再來不知道陳營委員的意見是 |
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10649.245 |
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我想多討論是好的我也贊成就是說我們讓這個各縣市都來辦公廳會大家仔細討論那確實因為我們當然我們提案有時候中央提案地方買單那因為這個財政的問題確實這個各地方的縣市政府也去聽聽他們意見是好 |
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所以我是建議就是說至少我們每個縣市都一定要辦公聽會這樣子好 您是希望所以是每個縣市都要辦公聽會那這樣子的話那就好幾場囉 |
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那會延宕我們在這邊因為公聽會辦完了之後呢可能才才能夠研議非常多的問題所以這樣陳委員您接受嗎 |
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主席,在這裏抱歉,我是覺得那些所屬人認為,到目前為止,他們都沒有去跟政府說,因為現在你說要訂3、4張,我說是不是叫他們去處理,我們不要訂,因為 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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主委,我認為您的職責去頂班,不是,如果這樣說,去拜訪一下,我們就要這個條款,要過您的配合完。 |
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要講清楚,人家要來你倒三天到我倒三天啊。不然你跟我說你們中央修這個法案,我們家鄉全部我們地方要做,如果不做又去賣。所以我主張真的要趕緊去處理,趕緊開公廳的。 |
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李熊好 這樣子好不好我們來折衷一下如果說是去拜訪各縣市政府的話我覺得真的是花了蠻長的時間啦我們就因為去年度他們已經辦了很多的座談會了也請這個也委託來研究所以我們是不是我們就直接把它寫5場好不好可以嗎對 可以嗎 |
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五場公聽會好不好不然的話時間太長了我也認為不要拖太久但我覺得五場的話我跟你講至少直轄市就六讀了 |
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好那這樣子我們是以月份以月份來限制他們積極處理在三個月內好不好可以嗎可以啦你至少要六都都要去啦六都至少都要去好不好那我們就是在這個上面這個文字上面齁再加上這個明確加上就是三個月內看一下對 |
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民族委員會邀請相關部會、地方政府與地方政府部門召開,三個月內。 |
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部落代表等在三個月內召開公聽會,聽取各界意見,以使對都市地區原住民族權益的保障跟協助更加周延可行。可以嗎?後面就是並請原住民族委員會提供並整理歷來辦理座談會、研討會及委託研究的資料提供給內政委員會各委員參考。可以嗎?好 |
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按照修正文字通過 |
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主席有請部長有請曾主委謝謝主委好恭喜你我們倆的家只限距離不到10公里所以應該可以很有良性的溝通那我們先從第一頁的業務報告來看好不好 |
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常常在翻譯的一個過程我覺得在一個中央部會層級的一個翻譯我覺得應該要很審慎所以我們就第一頁來看所以那個關於原住民族委員會這個部分我們的台灣語是Batara katsarishan可是Batara的部分我覺得應該是介系詞所以應該不可以跟katsarishan放在一起所以那個 |
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關於BATARA就是AboutIndigenous那就是說BATARA、GATSARISAN把字放在一起的時候會覺得這個字非常冗長也就會針對我們的很多原住民的學生或者是一般人他要學原住民的時候會覺得很困難的地方就是單字太長可是並不是單字太長是因為你不知道怎麼給他分段落所以這個第一頁這個部分要提醒的部分是這個 |
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二、我希望主委能夠親自很大聲的唸一下你的名字好不好在下面這個報告人這個部分這個下面是第一老鼠老鼠淫入再來老鼠淫入然後後面那個是那個名字是老鼠淫入對那為什麼後面還有這些這個是不對的吧 |
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那個應該是主任委員的意思吧我是希望說最後翻譯的時候能夠比較確實然後如果說因為會誤解這是你所有名字的一個全部就會認為說我怎麼念不出來還是怎麼樣那是不是以後如果說以後再取名字的時候要不要按照你這個模式來取以後我們的名字就會特別長所以用一個指標性的來看可以嗎好我會特別注意再修一下 |
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從第二頁來看原住民專法這個身份認定這個部分我上次有提過臺東的平地三包很多排灣族的平地三包甚至是盧卡族的平地三包其實他們是有意願成為3D原住民那這個部分是不是在門檻上面能不能就意願來去申請如果說困難度是困難度在哪裡 |
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現在比如說大武鄉、太馬里鄉有很多是平原的可是他確實是我們的排灣族人的話你覺得有沒有一個在這一屆請人不能完成目前的根委包括目前的法令是不可以就是你你被定你是山地原住民平地原住民你不能就是說這個就不能按照他的意願嗎對因為現在我們已經要我們已經要解決平埔原住民的問題可不可以順便來解決這個問題因為這個問題是懸而未決 |
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二、取得原住民部落同意的方式只有部落會議? |
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是,是,所以我們可不可以用電訊的,或者是簽同意書的,或者是說有一個部落的APP,很多人在外面工作,他沒有辦法回到部落,他說部落的APP有一個同意的一個按鈕的話,他就send出來的話,我們就不用那麼費心思的來開部落會議,而且部落會議每次開都開不成。 |
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原住民族土地使用規則 |
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我既有的土地的保障跟未來的一個方向在哪裡?是不是可以就近的來解決這些?這兩個問題就好。現在你變成114年5月1號實施以後,我的土地可以解決什麼樣的問題?第二個是我現在的土地的保障跟未來的規劃,這樣就好了。不然你永遠都卡在挪一挪二,這些老人家根本就不知道在講什麼,好不好? |
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就是要解決耕作的這個耕地的不足的還有居住的這個不足的部分因為每次開座談會或者到部落宣導的時候聽完一遍他頭腦又暈了然後又不知道又在講什麼但是就針對他個人的部分會不會改變就好了是不是這樣會比較容易是我們分到第第4頁 |
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就都市原住民發展的部分我是希望說我們現在的那個原住民地區大概都是用合作社的方式嘛那是不是就都我們都也越來越多剛才講50.2甚至已經我們昭緯說已經到65了是不是我們可以規劃我們能夠變成原住民的銀行然後一個唯利無論是唯利創業貸款、唯利公屋住宅、唯利的一個創業貸款這些 |
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我們是不是有一個可行性的方向來做我把我們所有的合作社這些儲蓄合作社能夠整合起來有沒有這樣這方面的規劃來我請處長回答一下 |
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跟委員報告那針對原住民綜合發展基金的各項貸款其實我們有分有事業型貸款甚至在儲戶社都有相關的那我是希望說我們能夠能夠朝向比較大的一個原住民銀行的來來去跟中央來爭取經費不然你只是這樣的一個 |
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成績我覺得很像沒有辦法解決都會寫那個問題可以嗎我們努力一下不好意思第二個就是我們原住民就醫的問題因為他常常在部落看病的時候是不用錢可是到都會去看病就用錢就要付部分負擔跟掛號費我希望他的身份不會因為他到了都會他就不是原住民了 |
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所以希望他這個部分能夠擴展到我在原住民地區看病不用錢到都會區應該也免部分負擔這個要來規劃因為造成很多主任在就業上面那個負擔跟跟那個所謂不公平了因為他在他在原住民地區本來就不用錢了為什麼到平基到高到長庚看病就要錢呢是不是好這個會跟衛福部在我們再來協商好不好 |
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因為時間的關係我在提那個我們一直在講的那個原住民族博物館因為我們原委會原委員會都要搬到桃園那既然這個時間還有一個時間8年那現在那個費用是58億那可是我上次在想好像沒有聽到未來的宿舍你看高雄長庚在蓋的時候他是先蓋員工宿舍呢那我們國立那個博物館他應該也要有啊 |
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因為將來的那些工作人員也都是原住民他們一定是從全國各地去的是不是應該是這樣朝這個方向你這個費用是不是應該要再增設或者說匡列這個我們未來員工的一個住宿的一個地方 |
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二、擔心設計元素沒有原住民的題材。因為常常有人會說行人地獄就是我們目前國人的那個都市的那個道路常常會覺得行人沒辦法跑步沒辦法很安全然後甚至在我們部落看到一些圖騰根本就不是那個族群的然後那個顏色也用不對我上次去花蓮看到那個八步合音的那個八個人在那邊唱歌的那個很像是西安人在唱八步合音就會有這樣的一個 |
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規劃設計的元素應該要很審慎要用我們原住民的人才去規劃未來的一個方向不是去國家博物館看的時候很像是去一般的博物館根本就沒有凸顯它的價值所以這個部分你要強烈的要求可以嗎 |
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11416.248 |
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11430.123 |
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會因為我們籌備處的時候會一一要求這些剛才委員最後一頁第10頁就是關於我們原住民歧視的問題就是我希望能夠比照性騷擾這個部分很多人在 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
11431.284 |
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11455.345 |
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一般的工作地方、崗位工作或者是警察或是軍人都會受到歧視他不知道怎麼去申訴我們的學生也是一樣所以如果說新燒肉大家都那麼重視我覺得就我們的原住民的歧視應該要一般跟那個新燒肉一樣的一個重視的一個等級不然會造成很多人沒有辦法好好的說出他心裡面的話可以嗎?可以來這樣演繹謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
11459.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
11462.219 |
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主席各位委員有請曾主委有請曾主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
11496.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11522.801 |
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我好。我好。你好。你好。這個原住民族要爭取原錢,很重要的要跨越政黨,而且要永不放棄。過去我們,我當這個公務員,不管哪一個政黨執政, |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
11524.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
11546.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
要設法爭取想辦法去說服各部會尤其是政務委員要想辦法說服政務委員我當了立委之後當時原民會要送的土海法、自治法有一個政務委員連審都不審就退回去 |
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11571.896 |
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我跟高精素美委員還有簡東明立委我們在這裡大罵批判這個那個政務委員所以跨業政黨永不放棄好因為這個行政院長新上任你也新上任很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
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11591.35 |
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原住民族基本法是根據憲法的規定來制定然後還有很多法例還沒有通過所以第一個任務就是要到行政院要跟行政院的院長做報告 |
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為什麼這些法案還沒有通過所以很重要的行政院為審議協調本法相關事項這是原住民族基本法第三條規定的應設置推動委員會所以這個推動委員會是由行政院院長召集主持這非常非常的重要我過去擔任副主委的時候就是先協調相關的部會 |
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11648.447 |
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然後把這個案送到行政院院長所主持的這個而不是隨便提一個報告事項我舉個例子原基法推動會第11次會議報告事項南島民族論壇推動情形報告案這跟原基法推動會所要協調的原基法未完成的有什麼關係呢所以不要亂提好我們就一個一個來 |
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原住民族基本法第4條規定政府應依原住民族的意願是原住民族的意願而不是政黨的意願是原住民族的意願所以要實行原住民族自治這法律定得很清楚 |
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11669.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11692.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
不要再說還要再聽起原住民族的意願各機關的意見已經花很多錢了主委從105年度每年編列預算到113年度總共為了原住民族自治的預算 |
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11693.854 |
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11697.978 |
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已經變了3639萬8千元,多可惜啊這個錢,已經開了無數次的,這個還105還,之前我當處長的時候就開始了,我當企劃處處長就開始了,我這個還沒算,所以就花了很多錢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
11717.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11738.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
大家都希望是政府不希望有些政黨不希望所以這個部分我們要跨越政黨陳水扁總統提過原住民族自治法馬英九總統提過原住民族自治法原住民族自治暫行條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
11739.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11762.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
就可以把它做一個看怎麼樣去處理這個很可惜的就是當初原住民主治法在99年有正式討論開了三次審查但是很可惜沒有三黨沒有共識然後後來推了一個原住民族自治暫行條例滿英九的時候103年提出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我們在內政委員會開會審查然後朝野協商把名稱改為原住民族自治推動條例很可惜有的政黨他不簽字所以我們要去跨越政黨要去說服各黨團就像原住民族基本法當初也不是所有的政黨都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
作為原民會的主委作為原民會的副主委就要去溝通協調各黨團讓他們瞭解不要那麼怕告訴他不要怕大家當初對原住民族基本法不是怕得要什麼本來那時候還要復讐呢經過溝通協調後來沒有復讐到現在又怎麼樣有像 |
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都還是要繼續支持還有很多其實都是原則性的條文所以這個部分我們看這個凍海法這是原住民族基本法第20條授權制定凍海法所以現在你們要把名稱改為原住民族保育地管理利用條例是倒退的這個蔡總統說的也是凍海法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
二、審查二、審查三、審查四、審查五、審查六、審查七、審查八、審查十。 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
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11892.012 |
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96年11月26號第一次我那時候當副主委送到立法院當時已經又要選舉了太晚送了因為前面溝通我開了十次我當副主委召開十次會議溝通協調相關的部會然後送到院會之後吳哲成政務委員負責召開三天三夜 |
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完成這個土海法但是送到立法院已經借期不連續了就是去年2月15號陳水扁總統的最後也送來但是後來又任期又到了所以104年105年都有送土海法但是時間送的都太晚 |
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11913.362 |
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11941.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
所以並不是說不送所以我們現在為什麼明明原住民族基本法20條授權定的是屠海法怎麼後來變成限收在原住民保留地管理利用條例所以不要輕易的去改這個法律的授權的很清楚站在你後面的那個處長啊他都清楚啊要不使用處長很清楚啊 |
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但是我們政務官要設法去說服各部會設法說服行政院院長所以這個部分是要避免這個曾主委那我們這個 |
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原住民族教育法也是根據原住民族我們的憲法徵修條文原住民族學校法也是一樣所以這個部分有很多的東西像這個傳統領域 |
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12006.227 |
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蔡總統說我們今年11月是指105年的11月我們會開始劃設公告原住民族傳統領域土地也定了這個雖然我們不是很滿意的原住民族土地部落防範圍土地劃設辦法但是呢很遺憾的就是到現在當初人民會公告兩個傳統領域一個是烏來一個是少主的少主的被撤銷了行政院撤銷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
12008.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
12035.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
剩下誣賴的誣賴實施到現在從107年到現在有沒有自愛難行的有沒有影響到其他的民族沒有啊所以要去說服說服相關的沒有沒有影響完全沒有影響啊對不對傳統意義的公告你看最下面的那個數字 |
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12037.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
737個部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
12040.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
12067.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
我們現在只有泰雅族的烏來只有4個部落只完成737分之4的部落的傳統禮儀對不對所以這個部分都是需要這個積極的協調去推動都是我們爭取原住民的權益永不放棄像這個部落公法人這個是最容易 |
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這是法例授權延民會定部落公法人的設置辦法你們的理由說我部落有不同意見他不要成立的就不用成立啊沒有強制啊曾主委沒有強制部落公法人的設置辦法這是延期法授權延民會你定的這個部落公法人的設置辦法你公告 |
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12096.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
12120.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
12122.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
12148.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
12166.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
這個部分我們因為時間的關係這個最後都市原住民發展條例如果行政院會這幾天這一兩個禮拜或是這一個月之內如果也沒辦法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
12168.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
12189.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
就是說尊重立法委員的版本我們會開審查召集委員我們的召委他會安排審查所以這個已經過去以降主委已經開了很多次會議我剛在提案說明的時候有提啊109年以降主委承諾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
12194.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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12215.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
12217.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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12244.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
12248.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
謝謝主席。有請老處主委。也請曾主委。主委好。今天是您的初次登場。大家都有很多的期許。 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
12267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
12268.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
12290.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
12304.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
您過去是在我們原民會文化發展中心擔任主任對不對對您知不知道在30年前1994年有一個很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
12305.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
12333.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
原住民文化會議就在您服務的地方以前叫文化園區現在叫文發中心在那個地方舉辦那當時呢李登輝總統親自出席原住民三個字第一次出現就是在李登輝總統的口中在那一次的會議那一個場合講出來的您應該很清楚是 |
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12334.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
12358.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
我就是想要問您因為多少年來大家都在問那個原住民文化會議怎麼都沒有再舉辦沒有第二屆後來文建會辦的那個已經沒有原住民三個字都叫文化會議我想請教這個歷史的際遇緣分您來擔任原民會主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
12374.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
您會不會辦理這個原住民的文化會議?會不會?各位委員報告我想我們試試看我們來辦再重辦這個原住民族的文化會議會在8月1號原住民日嗎? |
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12377.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
12393.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
我們在內部討論一下因為8月1號我們本來就辦全國原住民的這個那如果不是8月1號原住民族日那會在今年辦理嗎這樣的一個原住民文化會議因為30年前是在4月辦理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
12397.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我希望能夠廣邀年輕人參與。我想這個部分就做您的功課,好嗎?因為我跟您很熟,我可能也要稍微報個料。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
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我們其實這個會期很熱鬧原住民族很關注的一個議題就是禁法補償金到底會不會過啦那我其實很想講我昨天去電腦搜尋了一下欸!那個計畫還搜尋得到捏因為我知道的是禁法補償其實原住民第一個做這個的應該是屏東縣政府 |
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而且是你的任內你知道嗎對我們用現款自己來先做中央還沒有核定前我們自己用現款對我昨天去撈資料我還撈到呢我撈到一份那個當年的實施計畫但是這個是96年度但是我知道更早當時您是處長是現政府用自己的現款辦進法補償對那我就想要問啊你當年是執行者嗎 |
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現在過了這麼多年大家希望進法補償金應該要因應我們目前目前有哪一些狀況呢?我們都在講我們未來會有碳會、碳權 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
12488.379 |
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12503.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
我們都在講照領補償金從20年60萬已經改為6年60萬種種都必須要把淨法補償金提高因為我記得當年曹錦鴻縣長他為什麼要在屏東縣辦淨法補償因為他說 |
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12507.097 |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
不能在賀伯風災土石流這樣的一個國土保安需要之下政府推動了照齡補償政策結果是砍大樹種小樹所以必須透過禁法來去平衡這種現象 |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
講文化有文化部 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
12554.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
12580.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
講土地有國土署講教育有教育部那原民會被弄成一個笑話只要有原這個字好像通通都是原住民的事但是我想跟主委說我其實對原民會的期許是別的部會做不到的事我們原民會就應該扛起責任來做我舉個例子 |
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像三叉坑它是從921地震之後因為政府的錯誤把它遷到一個土地產權有問題的地方結果搞到現在還要打官司主委我們能不能夠原民會編一筆錢啊我們來幫助他們解決土地的問題可以嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
報告委員當初這個土地架構其實我們是支持的但是因為當初臺東市政府執行計畫面去了解我也開很多次協調會我們安排下個禮拜去好不好讓民眾知道是誰的責任好不好那我舉個例子我們來自屏東 |
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滿洲鄉的分水嶺也是一樣啊從那個時候的八八風災以前歷史成阿政府把他們遷到不安全的區域現在他們一直喊我們到底什麼時候遷到安全的地方像這樣的一個簽件案到時候他要面臨土地要面臨貸款我們原民會是不是應該跳出來幫忙對不對 |
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12647.051 |
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這個我們都協調了,國產署都協調,他到時候面臨貸款的問題要不要幫忙? |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
12689.603 |
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他如果他的貸款問題部分的話目前縣政府還沒有提出來那我等一下會說那我再舉個例子像是我們常常看到我很傷心因為我們住在深山部落我們的復康巴士長照服務50歲以上要用可是有的人三、四十歲他就得癌症可是他享受不到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
12690.851 |
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12705.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
可是政府想像不到我們是住在山區耶我今天得了癌症我每個禮拜要去醫院複診但是我享受不到這一些長照服務這些復康巴士如果我們請原民會來編列主委您認為應不應該以前都可以編馬桶啦這個別的族群沒有的我們原民會可以自己編啊 |
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12719.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
12727.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
甚至是我們的電動代步車我們原住民我們的膝蓋老化科學數據我們比人家膝蓋老化早個7、8年 |
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12729.062 |
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12749.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
像這個部分其實我們原民會都可以扛起責任來做啊我們會再也不過我們叫衛福部做他很困難啊他說我要不要幫新住民做那我們原住民可不可以自己做像代步車的部分我們有考量說代步車其實常常發生意外事故啦那朋友就說因為他還有一些有社會福利身份的一個列別的部分都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
12750.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
12750.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
都要演繹以上。 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
12766.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
12783.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
人民有感我們要在細微的地方政府的末梢神經觸及不到的地方我們原民會我們就要撿起來做那包括我們的原保地我也想講我一直到財政委員會處理原保地儘管會提供評鑑用英OK我甚至剛剛我在財政委員會我說現在那些長治百合永久屋要自立建屋的他們要貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
12793.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
12815.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
我問公股銀行哪一個願意做,現在有評鑑誘因,台灣銀行舉手說他來做,但是所有都答應我了,農業部也願意增設,現在內政部、原保地建架、石架東路他們都願意做,他們說我們就在等原民會的一個作業,信用保證作業,告訴我三個月,我們可不可以比其他部會快? |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
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12845.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
可以喔可以欸一定可以啦別的部會都那麼阿沙哩喔那關於這些圖管規則我講很久我希望可以趕快出來那針對我們的疑慮原鄉的公共設施能不能包含因為現在原鄉啊很多的建物都沒有建造啊他們一直在問公共建設行不行我建議啦能拆的就補助趕快做新的土地有問題的你們就編列經費來協助處理建造的問題好不好好 |
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12862.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
因為時間的關係真的很抱歉我要講的就是我這個會期我對您的期許賴總統當選那一天晚上他自己說的他說他第一個要做的是不惡公法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
12864.175 |
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12864.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
12881.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
12886.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
文化總會主導啦原民會你們主導一下你們的大船都已經造好了要準備直航通航了這是唯一60%跟我們的蘭嶼達烏族相同語言的島啊我們要好好的來做啊現在國際各個國家都很看重巴丹島啊我們要搶先來做好不好編足經費那很多的問題我以後再來跟我們原民會做質詢謝謝主席給我這個多的時間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
徐新穎委員主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
12936.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
12963.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
主委看到我們今天這個原民會的報告我們司法院憲法法庭在111年憲判自第17號有判決肯定平埔族群具有原住民的身份那判決要求114年10月27日前能夠修正原住民身份法或令例專法 |
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12964.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
12980.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
我看到報告裡面寫說是不是現在原住民委員會會規劃今年9月前要報行政院,11月通過行政院院會,這樣會不會過度樂觀? |
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13008.112 |
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因為這個先期的這些前置之類有一些東西都已經先做了所以您真的覺得是可以完成啊?我們盡量在這個時間內因為它有一個期限也必須在對啊它到114年今年才113 |
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13010.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
資商同意與平埔族身份認定三個月完成立法 |
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這是目標還是你們就是決心三個月內要完成?對不起這是個目標總要有一個目標來完成事情你這個回答可能要謹慎一點不然你要負政治責任 |
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13045.841 |
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13060.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
再來本席看到我們今天預算結凍案第二案在結凍報告第4頁是就原住民漁民自治獵槍漁槍許可及管理辦法的修正 |
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| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
原民會應與警政署討論未來修法方向,保障原住民族獵槍文化的延續。原民會解凍報告指,會持續確保草案內容符合族人狩獵需求並保障狩獵 |
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保障狩獵文化的傳承對於解凍預算解凍案呢要求是要求原民會要提出應對方向也就是要原民會表達立場跟主張可是你們一句話都沒說你要不要在這邊說一下是不是我請處長回答一下哦可以啊處長 |
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那這部分我們都有在跟內政部在討論這個辦法草案的時候都有都有提出我們的一些一些未來的規劃方向那將來會納入到這個整個辦法的訂定裡面因為在報告裡我們都沒看到所以如果講不出來我們本席就認為這個案等你們辦理以後再解凍好了對因為給你時間了好那接著接著本席要請教請教 |
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13138.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
13153.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
我們有這個移居部落建設計畫,原住民族這個部落特色道路的改善計畫。那對原住民族來說這是很重要的計畫。所以道路工程做好了要維護,但是山區道路的養護不易。 |
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13155.77 |
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13175.956 |
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另從燃料稅提供財源的部落聯絡道路養護計畫目前平均年度執行率只有68%不同的部落執行率不同本席要為新竹縣尖石五峰兩個鄉爭取 |
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13179.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
13195.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那我們的執行率呢相對的高但是錢不夠用所以本席建議可不可以執行率的這個預算呢可以移給執行率高的部落來使用各位報告這是應該的執行率越高的我們應該要越給對所以這一塊也要請這個原民會這邊能夠多多來支持 |
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13227.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
主委您上任對於這個文化健康站您了解嗎?文化健康站有了解那現在在執行面文化健康站您了解在各部落執行上他們的困難在哪裡你知道嗎?有沒有聽過部落有反映出什麼問題? |
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13233.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
13253.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
如果勉強來講大概就是他們還是覺得照顧的人力還不足但是目前來講我們照顧的這個整個510個站來講照顧原鄉的老人來講算是照顧得不錯但是就是說當然還是需要再多一點人力需要多一點 |
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13273.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
除了反映人力之外因為我們原住民族有一些偏鄉但有一些在平地那像比較偏鄉的他現在整個人事行政管理費用好像是在各縣市政府在掌管對不對 |
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13274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
13303.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們今年有增加一點了業務會有增加我們地方上會希望比如像我們新竹縣尖石五峰他們希望說是不是可以由他們鄉這裡來協助因為有些更偏遠的好像你縣政府他大概沒有鞭長莫及這個部分是不是有應對方案有啊這個尖石鄉的部分就有協助 |
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13304.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
13317.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
你所謂協助是怎麼樣行政管理會有協助有協助行政管理會對,他們希望說是不是讓鄉公所這邊來協助你的文化健康站讓那個分工更細一點 |
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13319.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
13343.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
一些偏遠的站你縣政府這邊他可能真的鞭長莫及但鄉公所他本身這個堅實鄉公所他就是能夠把整個堅實鄉我們每個部落照顧好這樣是不是分工的更細主委覺得這樣可不可以可以像鄉公所堅實鄉公所他就管三個文件站了 |
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對,所以他們的這個反應,我們在原民會這邊可以協助配合嗎?可以喔?好,那再來就是我們這個有關文化健康戰的部分呢,希望提供幾點,提供給主委來參考。那是不是這些建議會後提供書面回覆就可以喔? |
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| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
首先第一個就是增加照顧資源讓部落的失能長者可以獲得充足的照顧服務那再來剛剛您也提到能夠補充專業人力來減輕照顧服務員的工作負荷就人力的部分再來隨著高齡化速度加快是不是可以放寬文件站就是文化健康站的服務人數的限制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
13401.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
四、在多元族群融合的氛圍下,能否打破服務使用者族群別的資格限制?五、文件站的醫療照顧設備可否盡量補足? |
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13409.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
13434.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
以及我們是不是能夠培力照顧服務員的專業能力來促進他的職涯發展以及制定照顧服務員薪資分級制和暢通的升遷管道最後就是是不是可以推年輕族人返鄉從事部落照顧工作並且從其老身上傳承原住民族深度的文化體系 |
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13435.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
13435.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
陳英委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
13488.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
謝謝主席主席請坐我等一下再請他們上來剛才在這個有在場的政務官還有我們所有的公務人員們要請你們小心了因為剛剛竟然有立委質詢說沒有接電話叫藐視立委那沒有回電話也是叫做藐視立委我想這種事情拿到這裡來講實在是藐視國會 |
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13491.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
13514.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我認為要得到這個大家的尊重真的就是要從自身做起那讓大家從心裡面真正的來尊重你這才叫真正的尊重所以是不是未來我們在野黨是不是也要再提案就是未來如果沒有接到這個立委的電話又沒有回電話的話也要給他判刑也要給他抓去關也要給他罰款 |
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13515.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
請原委會董事長滿腰鼓舞 |
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好 謝謝 董事長是這樣 因為剛剛我們那個盧憲毅委員有特別就這個業務報告的部分就是有提到這個書寫的方式 那我想在業務報告上面其實也蠻清楚的就是說主委的名字 這個都有大寫 這個兩個 一個是 |
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一個是家族的姓氏一個是名字後面是我父親這個部分就是都有大寫所以很清楚我們可以看到這個報告人 |
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四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
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但是在書寫上就比較我比較沒有印象說有聽到說我們有在做這個部分啦考試啦教學啦就比較少那我們也很疑惑像我在美國求學我們寫論文的時候每一個段落那個英文字母都要大寫那講到人民或地名專有名詞的時候那個第一個字母也是要大寫 |
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那還有標點符號那所以我想請教主委說那我們族語的部分你們是不是未來也針對這個書寫方式有一個統一的這個一個規則 |
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主席跟委員回覆報告那基本上第一個是在去年我們已經跟我們相關的16個以推組織做共識跟也跟這個長期在推動主義的相關的大學、縣、校跟部落做共識那也在去年已經頒布初步共設的版本 |
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也接著會跟16個已推組織做協調討論,預計在年底會提出比較完整的共識版,目前已經提出了一個參考版,也透過各已推的相關齊勞們的尊重各族群的書寫方法。 |
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好我覺得這個很棒你們真的很不錯那因為因為確實書寫的部分在過去並沒有這個加強太多好所以這個部分也希望你們完成之後呢可以盡快的公佈然後讓大家可以熟悉好瞭解一下這個書寫的方式好好謝謝啊請回座那接下來請那個社福處羅處長有請了處長委員好 |
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13722.609 |
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處長,你們5月28號星期二在食藥署有針對各族群傳統特色食材之管理原則有邀集相關單位開溝通會議,你清楚這個事吧?了解你們誰去開的?我們是陳曼同仁跟我們相關科員跟專管助理 |
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食藥署會開溝通會議主要是因為我們族人常常使用販售在地的野生的傳統食材雖然對我們而言這些野菜我們都常見這些對我們來說其實是傳統食材但是呢 |
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有些在食藥署的這個食品原料整合查詢平台裡面是完全查不到了那因為查不到所以就被列為這個非傳統性的食品原料那族人在販售這些食材如果被檢舉了就會被依依這個違反食安法來裁罰那針對這個問題我已經多次有邀集這個請這個食藥署依這個族群特性的來重新檢討相關規定那前天呢 |
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原民會提供給食藥署的傳統飲食清單總共只有14項,農業部提了137項。辦公室有詢問原民會說你們14項是怎麼來的?大家猜猜看怎麼來? |
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13813.074 |
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我聽了嚇一跳啊你們是依據轉型正義委員會的清單挑出來的那個轉型正義委員會那邊委員提供的清單嗎跟委員報告一下因為轉型正義委員會裡面也在關心這個事情那剛好那個我們也請那個比較有過去有這瞭解這樣一個委員 |
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對,我覺得你們這樣是便宜行事耶。他們全部都是專家嗎?全部的這個委員都是齊老嗎?都是很有經驗的嗎?人家送名單給你們之後,你們有主動再去調查其他各個族群嗎?有嗎?我們後續會主動調查。就是後續才,人家已經要開這個會,人家動作都很快,結果你們就只拿了,其實說, |
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拿了那些委員提供的名單你看下面都有人在搖頭了我跟委員報告我們現在有盤點是有516項這相關的但是因為第一次跟食藥署合作我們第一次先提那個第14筆可以讓他納入到可用食品依然表裡面去做所以這個合作模式建立起來我們後續會陸續再提供 |
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我想是這樣子就是說因為你們14項品項有月桃老藤、台灣胡椒、山肉粿等等但是阿美族人常吃的這個芒草心就沒有所以就是說到底有多少品項已經有在這個食品原料整合查詢平台那還有多少品項是沒有那我是覺得說另外就是說因為你們提供14個真的太少 |
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13912.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
二、醫食藥署規定非傳統性食品要納入查詢平台。可以做問卷去判定具有完整的獨理學的安全性學術文獻報告以及成功使用的紀錄要25年。還有28天的未毒性試驗跟基因毒性試驗。還有90天的未毒性試驗跟基因毒性試驗還有致肌試驗。 |
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那因為我們很早其實我們沒有文字所以要舉證這個長久有實用的這些歷史其實是可能有困難所以才召開這樣子的會議那也就希望說各族群可以提供相關意見那所以你們那個唯一你們去開會的人 |
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在整場會議裡面唯一回答就是這14項是依照轉型正義委員會那邊來的我很傻眼其他意見通通都沒有反應反而與會的其他人士就提出很多的問題所以我就提醒我們在你們現在的計劃原住民族傳統醫療知識復正計劃現在有進行口述歷史的收集 |
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那這些口述歷史的收集呢除了作為記錄之外呢其實應該有一些是對我們這個原住民傳統食材要納入查詢平台是有幫助的吧應該是有吧有有齁是有記錄一些我們現在一些長者過去的一些傳統對阿所以要請你們好好利用阿好那我是我想這樣子 |
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希望你們可以設定目標值啦那我不知道你們全部的盤點你們大概多久可以盤點完畢盤點調查完畢目前先掌握的是516項那但是因為我們還要去比對跟那個那個可用視頻藍表裡面那所以還要一段時間對但是你先盤點我講的是盤點對的部分嘛 |
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所以還要一段時間我們在一個月先做完整個盤點之後那再按到訂定目標值之後再分批陸續再跟所以全部這樣子你預計時間你是要設定目標值啊對我會設定目標值那我先盤點所以你一個月就全部完成一個月先是先盤點那確認之後我們再去訂定一個目標值 |
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好 如果這個評估完可以直接納入平台是最好如果真的沒有辦法需要經過這個我剛剛講的那些測試的話我想就是說我們再來協調各部會像農業部啦看大家怎麼分工因為這個經費是不會花太多啦那我是希望你們一定要優先把這個品項確認好那請你們要再主動積極特別去跟其他部會開會的時候我覺得處長你要不要考慮自己下來來盯這個案子好 謝謝 |
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好,謝謝委員。好,謝謝陳盈委員的質詢。謝謝。謝謝羅處長。繼續我們請楊瓊英、楊瓊英、楊瓊英委員不在,請林倩琦委員質詢。謝謝張偉。我們有請主委。有請曾主委。 |
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14106.955 |
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主委首先恭喜您期待您在過去在原住民的事務的推動下能夠將這樣的精神繼續在未來幾年您在原民會的整個就任的情況在在職的情況下能夠幫原住民族的業務更上一層 |
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14131.78 |
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第一個就是我們知道在前一段時間就這個會期我們剛通過了我們在姓名條例裡面原住民這個原住民的單名列名的這個列名的這樣一個政策所以我這邊要談的是請原民會落實整個推動原住民族登記傳統名字變名措施的三年計劃 |
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這個部分應該我們先感謝我們的昭緯這個高金委員還有鄭天才委員在我們的整個姓名條例裡面那把這30年的一個推動終於在這個會期給完成了那這個真是歷史上很重要的一個篇章 |
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接下來就是怎麼樣落實這個部分讓我們所有的族人都能夠以此為傲所以這個部分因為會裡面也編了相關的經費把它作為一個很重要的業務推動所以我們期待這個部分的落實我相信你們會碰到的這個你們要推動的部分 |
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包括有效整合各機關規範及登記辨名措施以外,第一線人員訓練也是非常重要的,不只在原鄉,包括今天下午我們要關注的都會原住民。這個部分你可能要注意到在原鄉的部分跟在都會裡面第一線的人員怎麼去處理來因應姓名條例,通過之後所會發生的狀況。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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三、審查三、審查三、審查 |
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假設這個部分裡面其實有一些沉默的成本所以期待原民會在這個區塊能夠更落實那假設真的有困難那有需要本席這邊來協助的話本席非常願意做一個平台然後來讓大家彼此溝通然後瞭解 |
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14282.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
三年的三千萬用於整合服務的行銷費用真的要做在這件事情上不要變成其他的一些奇怪的行銷費用這個部分是會裡面應該要注意的在過去發生的事情我這邊也就不多說了我一個建議就是這個三年的三千萬計畫 |
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應該在這個懶人包的製作要非常的詳實工作指南這兩個部分對於傳統名字的這個比例應該會有一些上升所以你應該可以設定每一年的一個比例值還有在過程當中我們講到各族的命名語言的脈絡那應該在這個部分也讓大家知曉那我們當然知道有一些個別性的問題但是這個命名脈絡對一個文化來講是非常重要的這點我期待在行銷的內容上也能夠做得更詳實 |
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包括應該是其他各部會也會支援這個部落跟鄉鎮區公所的一個互證單位的接駁也不要忘記都會原住民都會原住民應該是我們接下來必須要非常關注的這一塊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14332.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
原住民族博物館 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14372.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
原住民族博物館我們知道已經在原本是核定在新北市然後後來莫名其妙的連民進黨的這個委員都覺得是笑話一樁那是在那個蔡總統8年前已經該做的跟要做的結果莫名其妙的從新北又挪到了高雄 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14399.119 |
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好那但是這8年我們不知道完全不知道進度然後對族人或者是我們的社會大眾也沒有任何的說明那至今我們只知道沒有原住民族博物館8年過去了那我不知道我們還要等幾個8年所以這邊我特別跟主委這邊期待希望在您任內那至少我們有一個發聲的具有文化性的一個平台能夠完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14413.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
第三、在原住民族委員會的原住民族文化發展中心是全國唯一的公社原住民族表演藝術團隊那盧灣樂舞劇團會裡面是不是應該考量?既然我們文化 |
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14428.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
四、審查四、審查四、審查四、審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14485.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
根委員報告民間也有,民間也有,只是沒有了。但是民間啊,這邊是公社啊。那公社當然是不一樣的。所以最後連帶的就是那文化資產,尤其原住民族的無形文化資產,那應該在會裡面要有更積極的作為。所以以上幾點,以上四個主題,可否請主委這邊在一個月內對我提出比較專業性的報告。然後也請會裡面相關的部門來跟我做業務報告。這四個主題。 |
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14488.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
14492.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
好的謝謝主委好謝謝林謙卿委員的資訊謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14496.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14515.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
登記發言的委員除了不在場者之外其餘的都已經發言完畢了。詢答結束委員丁學忠、張志倫、黃建斌所提的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢和未及答覆的部分請相關單位在一週之內以書面答覆並複製本會。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14530.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
包括委員會我們現在宣讀討論事項所有版本的條文請宣讀然後呢宣讀的同時呢我們與會的官員是可以用餐的現在我們請宣讀謝謝 |
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14533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
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法名稱委員高清素梅等提案都會原住民權利發展條例。委員鄭天才等及委員吳立華等提案都是原住民發展條例。委員陳英等提案都是地區原住民族發展條例。第一章委員高清素梅等提案及委員鄭天才等提案章名均為總則。 |
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第一條委員高清素美等提案政府應對於都會原住民對其健康、安居、融資、就學、就養、就業、就醫及社會適應等事項為保障及協助進而促進共同維護原住民族語言與附贈原住民族文化特質立本條例 |
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委員鄭天宅等提案,為保障都市原住民之健康安居、融資、就學、語言、文化、習俗、就養、就業、經濟、就醫及社會適應等事項,特制定本條例。委員陳瑩等提案,為保障居住於都市地區之原住民族生存及基本權利以促進其發展,特制定本條例。委員武麗華等提案,為保障都市原住民族生存及基本權利促進都市原住民族之健康安居、融資、就學、就養、就業、就醫及社會適應等事項,特制定本條例。 |
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二、委員高經宿美等提案。本法用詞定義如下。一、都會原住民系指設計於原住民族地區以外之原住民及設計於原住民族地區而實際居住於原住民族地區以外之原住民。二、原住民族事務幹部只據都會原住民身份之原住民各族群領袖協經會主席、副主席、青年組長及婦女組長。五、委員政天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高經宿美等提案。 |
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委員呈應等提案第三條本條利用此定義如下一、都市地區指原住民族地區以外之鄉鎮市區原住民涉及或實際居住達一定人口與商經中央主管機關公告者二、都市地區原住民指涉及或實際居住於都市地區之原住民 |
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三、都市地區原住民族發展事務指主管機關對於都市地區原住民族所提供之健康安居融資、就學就養、就業就醫、社會適應及其他事項之保障及協助措施。四、都市地區原住民族發展計劃指主管機關為辦理都市地區原住民族發展事務所訂定之行政計劃。五、都市地區原住民族部聚落指原住民族遷居都市地區形成之群居社會﹐並經地方主管機關報請中央主管機關核定者。 |
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委員吳立華等提案。第三條本條例用詞定義如下。一、都市地區系指原住民族地區以外之鄉鎮市區。二、都市原住民系指居住於都市地區之原住民個人。都市原住民族系指依原住民族基本法經行政院核定之民族且居住於都市地區。第三條,委員高金素美等提案。本法所稱主管機關在中央委員、原住民族委員會在直轄市為直轄市政府在縣市為縣市政府。委員鄭天才等提案同委員高金素美等提案。 |
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委員陳寅等提案第二條。第一項同委員高金素梅等提案。第二項為本條例所定事項涉及各目的事業主管機關執掌者由各目的事業主管機關會同主管機關辦理。委員伍麗華等提案第二條。第一項同委員高金素梅等提案。第二項為本條例所定事項涉及各中央目的事業主管機關執掌者 |
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由各該機關辦理。第四條,委員高清素美等提案。中央主管機關應設立中央都會原住民權益維護委員會,負責諮詢及審議都會原住民政策事項。前項委員會應由中央主管機關首長為召集人,邀請各相關中央目的事業主管機關、地方主管機關及專家學者組成。 |
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其中具原住民身份之專家學者不得少於二分之一。單一性別比例不得少於三分之一。其設置辦法由中央主管機關定制。前項所稱之專家學者之選任應顧及原住民族之代表性﹐並考量教育、文化及本法相關事項之專業性。中央都會原住民權益維護委員會應與地方都會﹐ |
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原住民權益維護委員會定期辦理聯繫匯報委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民中央都會原住民權益維護委員會修正為中央都市原住民權益發展委員會其餘同委員高金素美等提案 |
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委員陳寅等提案第6條。中央主管機關1、1及目的事業主管機關、地方主管機關、學者、專家及人民團體嚴商並訂定全國都市地區原住民族發展計劃,建立都市地區原住民族發展制評估及回歸機制。前項計劃應每5年檢討修正,必要時得隨時檢討修正。委員5、立法等提案第5條。為保障都市原住民族對地方政府推動原住民族政策之程序參與權利,指向市及縣市政府設置 |
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任務編組業務涉及原住民族事務者,除法律令有規定外,其成員應有都市原住民族代表。中央及地方主管機關應以首長為召集人,定期邀請學者、專家、都市原住民族代表及教育文化主與徵信衛生福利、就業保障、經濟建設有關機關代表召開都市原住民族發展會議,進行都市原住民族發展政策規劃之審議、諮詢及推動。 |
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前向各都市原住民族代表在中央主管及地方主管機關居原住民涉及人口之民族應至少一名且原住民族代表不得少於代表總人數三分之二單一性別比例不得少於三分之一為協調溝通都市原住民發展政策中央及地方主管機關應定期辦理協調會議如有需求得由中央及地方主管機關召開臨時協調或溝通會議前向協調溝通會議各原住民族代表出席人數不得少於總出席人數至三分之一 |
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五、高基數美等提案。直轄市及原住民人口1500人以上之縣市主管機關,應設立直轄市縣市都會原住民權益維護委員會,負責諮詢及審議地方都會原住民政策事項。其餘之縣市政府得失實際需要,設都會原住民權益維護專責單位或專制人 |
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至專人辦理都會原住民權益維護事務。前項委員會成員中具原住民身份之專家學者不得少於二分之一。單一性別比例不得少於三分之一。其設置規定由地方主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民。中央都會 |
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中央都會原住民權益維護委員會修正為中央都市原住民權益發展委員會其餘同委員高金淑美等提案。委員陳寅等提案第5條。中央及地方主管機關應設置專責機關辦理都市地區原住民族發展事務並支持人民團體共同推展都市地區原住民族發展事務。 |
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第6條委員高經宿美等提案。此下是及原住民人口1500人以上之縣市主管機關應提供充分資源、寬列預算與協助推展原住民族綜合發展政策。委員鄭天才等提案。後段修正委應寬列預算推展都市原住民權益發展事務、其餘同僚高經宿美等提案。委員陳寅等提案第4條。 |
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政府應致力推動都市地區原住民族發展事務其所需資金費由主管機關及各目的事業主管機關編列預算、委員武力化等提案。第四條,前段修正為政府應致力於都市原住民族各項發展。其餘通委員承認等提案。第二章 |
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第二章章明原住民族語言第二章文高精素美等提案及文正年才等提案章明均為原住民族語言及文化傳承第七條文高精素美等提案中央及地方政府因鼓勵並強化都會原住民學習原住民族語言與文化課程 |
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委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民鼓勵並強化文字修正為辦理其餘通委員高金素美等提案。第8條委員高金素美等提案原住民族語言與文化課程因原住民族語言能立即使用狀況之調查結果有中央主管機關及中央教育主管機關規劃設計前項原住民族語言與文化課程因修習原住民族語言修習時數測驗備用之減免失資及其他應遵循之事項由中央主管機關會商教育部定之 |
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委員鄭天才等提案同委員高金素美等提案。第九條委員高金素美等提案本法施行6年後都會原住民未取得本法相關服務措施應修訂年度原住民族語言與文化課程之休息時數並取得原住民族語言能力初期認證。委員鄭天才等提案同委員高金素美等提案。第十條委員高金素美等提案中央及地方主管機關應積極維護都會原住民 |
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與機關、構、學校、團體、教會及家庭使用原住民族語言權利,獎勵及補助以下原住民族語言發展事務。一、保障學齡前幼兒學習原住民族語言之機會。二、運用科技提高都會原住民接觸及學習族語之機會。三、營造原住民族語言使用友善環境。四、鼓勵狹內教會使用原住民語言宣教及辦理各類教會事工活動。 |
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五、鼓勵原住民族家庭與日常生活使用主語並營造家庭主語環境。六、使用原住民族語言之原住民族傳統記憶、文化傳承、樂舞、展演、體育競賽等活動。七、原住民族個人家庭人民團體使用原住民族語言所需之教學、設備、翻譯或其他活動。八、其他主管機關認定之重要事項。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民第4款鼓勵修正為補助其餘通委員高金素美等提案。委員陳寅等提案第12條政府應鼓勵並保障都市地區原住民族與機關構學校團體及家庭使用原住民族語言並獎勵及補助原住民族語言發展事務。委員伍麗華等提案第10條序文前段中央及地方主管機關文字修正為政府第一款、第三款、第六款增加都市地區文字 |
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第一款後段增加鼓勵及表揚所屬學校落實都市地區原住民學生之族語及文化課程。第六款第七款前段增加優先補助等文字其餘同委員鄭天才等提案。第十一條委員高金素美等提案。中央及地方主管機關得失狀況辦理原住民族語言與文化遠距課程。委員鄭天才等提案同委員高金素美等提案。第十二條 |
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委員高精素美等提案,中央及地方主管機關因都會原住民休息之成果及取得原住民族語言能力認證之集數規劃相關獎勵措施,前項獎勵之方法、基準處理方式及其他應遵實項之規則,由地方主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案,將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民及預通委員高精素美等提案。 |
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第13條文高精素美等提案。地方主管機關應依據各族群特色定期舉辦原住民族歲時記憶傳統記憶體育競賽樂舞藝能文化創意影視文化文物展覽及文化藝術等推展活動。中央及地方主管機關應兼職原住民族之歷史發展文化特性及人文資產資料庫。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案同委員高清素美等提案。委員陳瑩等提案第10條政府應積極推展都市地區原住民族參與原住民族文化傳承及保存。必應依據各族群特色協助或舉辦碎石祭儀活動或規劃推動都市地區原住民族返鄉參加部落碎石祭儀。委員武麗華等提案第8條 |
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增加凝結原住民族地區部落等文字及與同委員成員等提案第10條。第14條,委員高金素美等提案,中央及地方主管機關應保存、維護及傳承原住民族教育語言及文化,並協助原住民族文化產業及培育專業人才。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案同委員高金素美等提案。委員陳瑩等提案第14條政府應結合公私力機關構法人或團體建構都市地區原住民族終身學習環境,促進原住民族文化傳承與創新。委員伍麗華等提案第12條同委員高金素美等提案第14條並著作文字修正。 |
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第15條,文高精素美等提案,地方主管機關設置原住民族文化會館,並應參助人口分布及實際需要與原住民居居地區應設置具有都會原住民文化特色的集會所,辦理原住民族語言與文化事務,以凝聚都會原住民傳承文化之向心力,並提供本法各類協助措施。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民、區域同源、高精素美等提案。委員陳瑛等提案第11條政府應考量都市地區原住民族之文化傳承及發展需求提供適當空間以作為文化傳序場域並於設置之原住民族文化場館及相關空間進行文化保存傳承與發展。辦理原住民族文化之傳承展示收藏、教育、社群溝通、碎石機以及其他原住民族文化相關活動。 |
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委員武力化等提案第9條,同委員陳怡等提案第11條,並著作文字修正。第三章,委員高晶素梅等提案及委員鄭天才等提案,章明均為都會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
15248.601 |
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15273.448 |
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委員高金、宿美等提案章名為都會原住民權益保障。委員鄭天才等提案章名為都市原住民權益保障。第16條委員高金、宿美等提案中央主管機關應定期辦理都會原住民健康、安居、融資、就學、就養、就業、就醫及社會適應之調查公布調查結果並建立都會原住民基本資料庫。地方主管應配合中央主管機關應協助辦理前項之調查並依調查結果規劃建立原住民族社會安全體系。 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
15274.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15290.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民第一項增加語言文化及經濟等文字其餘同委員高金素美等提案第一項。第二項為中央主管機關因調查結果規劃建立原住民族社會安全體系訂定都市原住民發展計劃。 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
15291.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15307.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
委員承認等提案第9條。中央各目的事業主管機關辦理各項調查統計及專體分析時應納入原住民族地區及都市地區之分析統計。作為各項都市地區原住民族發展事務之規劃參舉,中央主管機關應建立都市地區原住民族資料庫, |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
15308.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15326.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
地方主管機關應定期辦理都市地區原住民族生活狀況調查及建立人口資料委員五立化等提案第7條。第一項同委員呈迎等提案第9條第一項並著作文字修正。第二項地方政府應定期辦理協助所轄都市地區原住民族生活狀況調查及建立人口資料庫。 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
15327.148 |
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15349.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
第17條委員高精素美等提案,為確保原住民族語言與文化傳承,中央主管機關應會同地方主管機關鼓勵並生育原住民族人口,應就公共化、教保、育兒津貼、托育機制及友善生養等事項予以輔助。前項育兒相關附加輔助措施、輔助基準、處理方式及其他應遵行事項之規則,由中央主管機關、會商教育部、會生福利部等相關機關定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
15351.508 |
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15370.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
委員鄭天才等提案。第二項其他應遵行事項之規則修正為其他應遵行事項之辦法其餘通委員高金素美等提案。第18條委員高金素美等提案。中央主管機關及中央衛生主管機關應會同地方主管機關依都會原住民基本資料庫是其需求提供相關附加保障之事項如下。 |
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15371.517 |
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15390.875 |
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一、都會原住民健康促進及衛生保健服務服務措施。二、年滿55歲以上都會原住民之文康交流活動及長期照護服務等相關服務措施。三、原住民婦女之家庭服務訪查、婦女權益賠利及輔導婦女社團參與等相關服務措施。四、原住民兒童及少年之多元文化語言學習之服務措施。 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
15391.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
15420.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民區域同委員高金素美等提案。委員陳英等提案第17條政府應規劃都市地區原住民組織社會福利保險醫療及其他輔助措施並增加都市地區原住民族獲得原住制管道以確保都市地區原住民族基本需求並促進其身體及心理健康文化及社會安全政府應積極協助主動提供適當場地推動都市地區原住民及人民團體優先設立符合都市地區原住民族特性之文化照顧服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15421.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
15439.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
委員武力化等提案第14條為確保都市地區原住民族基本需求政府應規劃各項社會福利醫療與輔助措施以增加都市地區原住民族獲得原住制管道政府應積極協助主動提供適當場地輔導都市地區原住民個人及屯民團體優先設立符合都市地區原住民族特性之文化照顧服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
15440.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15469.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
第19條委員高金素美等提案中央主管機關及地方主管機關因多會原住民基本資料庫就多會原住民住宅建構補助租屋津貼住宅貸款利息補貼及獎勵與新辦原住民族社會住宅等相關事項因是其需求與協助並訂立原住民族住宅政策中央主管機關及地方主管機關新辦之社會住宅因因案轄區內多會原住民人口數所佔轄區原住民總人口數之比例分配並保障原住民入住社會住宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
15469.961 |
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15483.756 |
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前項分配之比例不得低於原住民族人口數占全國總人口數比例。第一項都會原住民相關附加建構或租屋原住民社會住宅相關輔助措施、輔助基準、處理方式及其他應遵行事項之規則由地方主管機關定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15485.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15507.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
委員政天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民。第二項,佔下居原住民總人口數之比例,修正為佔全國原住民總人口數之比例。第三項,一列第二項後段。第四項,其他應遵行事項之規則由地方主管機關定制,修正為其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定制,其餘同委員、高金屬美等提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15508.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15527.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
委員呈應等提案第20條政府應策定都市地區原住民族住宅政策補助建構修繕住宅租金補貼住宅貸款利息補貼及獎勵新辦原住民族社會住宅並得義務價指數與消費水準調整補助資格及額度政府新辦這社會住宅至少應按下區內都市地區原住民族人口數所佔 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15527.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15551.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
全國原住民總人口數之比率分配並保障都市地區原住民族入住社會住宅並且不得低於原住民族人口數在全國總人口數之比率。委員吳麗華等提案第17條。第一項後段修正為並積極推動都市原住民族聚落營造。第二項前段修正為直轄市或縣市政府並著作文字修正。其餘同委員陳瑩等提案第20條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15553.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15573.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
委員呈應等提案第19條政府應推動都市地區原住民族經濟及產業發展建構原住民族地區及都市地區原住民族產業連結促進通路拓展及原住民族業者之合作並得以專責法人辦理相關業務。中央主管機關應兼職都市地區原住民族事業體資料庫充分掌握都市地區原住民族經濟及產業發展動態。 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
15575.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15590.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
委員吳立華等提案第16條。第一項前段推動修正為輔導並著作文字修正區域通文成因等提案第19條第一項。第二項為為了解經濟及產業發展動態政府應建制及定期更新事業體資料庫。第二十條為 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
15592.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15603.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
高精素美等提案。中央主管機關應會同中央勞動主管機關就原住民及非原住民就業狀況調查規劃施以之都會原住民就業服務與職業訓練課程。主管機關應提供前廂就業服務與職業訓練課程,與其職業訓練期間並得提供生活津貼之補助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15608.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15623.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
主管機關提供第一項就業服務與職業訓練課程之方式,得以提供補助就業考試補習費用為之。前三項相關附加補助條件及數額、輔助基準、處理方式及其他應遵行事項之規則,由中央主管機關定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15624.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15639.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民。第二項得提供生活津貼之補助修正為應提供生活津貼之補助。第四項其他應遵行事項之規則修正為其他應遵行事項之辦法。其餘同委員高金素美等提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15640.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15657.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
第21條委員高金素美等提案都會原住民依法成立原住民合作社會協會者與本法施行後之6年內依免徵所得稅及營業稅。地方主管機關依協助並輔導都會原住民成立原住民合作社會協會,其輔助至辦理由地方主管機關定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15658.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15677.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民規則修正為辦法、區域通用於高精素棉等提案。委員陳寅等提案第7條地方主管機關應邀及目的事業主管機關學者專家及人民團體聯商並因全國都市地區原住民族發展計劃訂定該職轄市縣市都市地區原住民族發展計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15677.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15705.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
地方主管機關為處理跨區域都市地區原住民族發展事務﹐得與其他地方主管機關成立區域合作組織訂定協議﹐行政契約或以其他方式合作﹐並報中央主管機關備查。第二十二條,委員高清素美等提案﹐各級政府、機關、公立學校及公立事業機構﹐辦理位於非原住民族地區未達政府採購法公告金額之採購﹐得保留10%採購件數由原住民個人、機構、法人或團體承包。委員鄭天才等提案,同委員高清素美等提案﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15705.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15722.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
委員陳寅等提案第18條將非原住民族地區文資修正為都市地區其餘同委員高金素美等提案委員伍麗華等提案第15條將10%修正為30%後段增加但原住民個人機構法人或團體無法承包者不在此限其餘同委員陳寅等提案第18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15724.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15752.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
委員呈應等提案第21條政府應積極營造都市地區原住民族聚落提供安全健康舒適及能及永續之居住環境本條例施行前之都市與地區原住民族聚落未依依法禁止限制建築地區公共設施預定地或經政府認定之安全堪於地區者該聚落所在地之地方主管機關應勘選依法得為建築地理區為安全無虞且適宜居住之土地規劃作為千建住宅安置使用並協助得建物取得建物合法使用權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
15752.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15772.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
前項簽件住宅所需之土地得徵收申請撥用或由都市地區原住民族聚落申請成租為武力化等提案第18條。第一項前段至本條例施行前至都市地區原住民族聚落修正為聚落。中段至地方主管機關修正為直轄市或縣市政府。簽件文字修正為新辦。其餘同委員呈應等提案第21條。第二、三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
15774.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15789.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
第二十三條,委員高晶素美等提案,主管機關依原住民族工作權保障法金融都會原住民時,應依其原住民族語言能力認證之程度優先禁用。委員鄭天才等提案,將都會原住民誘餘修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高晶素美等提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
15790.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15812.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
第二十四條,委員高經宿美等提案,地方主管機關應針對競用一定比例都會原住民與工作廠商予以獎勵,前項競用之比例、特殊之事蹟、特著住之事項、獎勵之方法、基準、處理方式及其他應遵行事項之規則,由地方主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案,將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民,其餘同委員高經宿美等提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15812.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15837.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
第二十五條委員高精素棉等提案。中央及地方主管機關應規劃相關課程以強化都會原住民學前教育及青少年課業輔導。委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高精素棉等提案。委員陳瑩等提案第十三條地方主管機關應保障都市地區原住民族學生之學習權利﹐主動發掘特殊潛能並因是都市地區原住民族學生社會適應需要辦理課業及生活輔導。 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
15839.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15867.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
委員吳立華等提案第12條地方交易及原住民族主管機關應共同保障就讀高級中等以下學校之都市地區原住民學生學習權利﹐得主動發掘原住民學生特殊潛能﹐拔除原住民族青年人才﹐得市都市地區原住民族學生社會適應需要辦理課業及生活輔導。第二十六條委員高進素美等提案地方主管機關辦理本法鼓勵輔導或補助事項有經費不足情形中央政府應是實際需要予以補助。 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
15868.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15896.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
委員鄭天才等提案同委員高慶素美等提案。第二十七條委員高慶素美等提案。主管機關一、都會原住民修習原住民族語言與文化課程之成果及原住民族語言能力認證集數規劃本法第十七條至第二十五條之輔助措施之補助基準、前項附加輔助措施之級距基準、審查程序處理方式及其他應遵實項之規則由中央主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
15896.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15914.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
第一項前段主管機關修正為中央主管機關其餘同委員高經宿美等提案。第二十八條委員高經宿美等提案此下涉及原住民人口1500人以上之縣市其調解委員會應致一席以上原住民族委員以協助處理原住民族調解事務。 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
15915.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15944.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
委員鄭天才等提案將調節委員會修正為鄉鎮市調節委員會其餘同委員高經宿美等提案。委員陳英等提案第8條。第1項同委員鄭天才等提案並著作文字修正。第二項為發生於都市地區之勞資爭議勞方當事人有五分之一以上委員住民者勞工主管機關指派之調節委員或仲裁委員中應至少有一人委員住民。委員伍麗華等提案第6條。前段修正委員住民涉及達1500人以上之都市地區其餘同委員高經宿美等提案。 |
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15945.497 |
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第29條,委員高階素美等提案。都會原住民涉有歧視,得向地方主管機關申訴。地方主管機關應申訴或主動執行歧視情勢者,應即將案件交付直轄市縣市都會原住民權益維護委員會調查。前項調查應經查證,並與當事人及利害關係人到場陳述申辯之機會。調查結果,論有歧視情勢者,地方主管機關應定相當期限,命歧視者改真或除去歧視結果,預期不改真或除去者。 |
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五、處新台幣5萬元以上、50萬元以下之罰款,並得連續與處罰至改正為止。不符前項之處分者得提起訴願及行政訴訟。五、委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用以修正為都市原住民,刪除第5項,其餘同委員高金素美等提案。五、委員陳瑩穎等提案第16條, |
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政府應積極落實多元文化環境﹐促進族群平等發展﹐避免都市地區原住民族遭受歧視。原住民族應遭受歧視致其權利受不法侵害者﹐各該目的事業主管機關應會同主管機關協助維護其權利。其應遭受歧視致權利受不法侵害之予者﹐應協助防止之。第三十條﹐委員高金素美等提案。受歧視人請求損害賠償者﹐除得請求民法第216條所定之損害外﹐並得請求適當之撫慰金﹐委員鄭天才等提案。 |
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受歧視人請求損害賠償者,主管機關應請法律輔助基金會提供必要之法律輔助。第三十一條,委員高晶素美等提案,地方主管機關應將據重要性質反歧視案件審理結果公告或公開上網。委員鄭天才等提案同委員高晶素美等提案。第四章,委員高晶素美等提案及委員鄭天才等提案,章明君為負責。 |
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第32條委員高清素美等提案。中央及地方主管機關應定情會整併製作都會原住民權益與輔助手冊。前項手冊地方主管機關應以定期寄送及公告周知之方式通知狹內之都會原住民家戶。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民其預通委員高經宿美等提案。第三十三條委員高經宿美等提案。中央及地方主管機關應以狹下閒置之空間優先提供都會原住民作為下列之使用。一、學習原住民族語言文化課程。二、課業輔導及自修與閱覽。三、青年創業前向青年創業服務的收取費用及收費項目及金額由地方主管機關定之。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用與修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高進宿美等提案。第三十四條委員高進宿美等提案地方主管機關應設置都會原住民族駐居及就業輔助單一窗口以協助都會原住民給予及時協助。委員鄭天才等提案將都會原住民用與修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高進宿美等提案。 |
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委員高經宿美等提案第35條,地方主管機關得參著人口分布及實際需要與原住民居居地區應設置具有都會原住民文化特色的集會所。委員高經宿美等提案第36條,都會原住民得成立社團法人原住民族自治協經會,其設立程序組織任務兼經費監督輔導及其他有關事項之辦法,由地方主管機關定之。 |
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地方主管機關應會同社團法人原住民族自治協會協競會辦理都會原住民之服務事項並提供原住民族自治協競會必要之人力物力及經費補助。其相關事項之規定由地方主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案第35條將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高金素美等提案。第37條委員高金素美等提案地方主管機關應扶植原住民族社團發展鼓勵舉辦為健全 |
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五、都會原住民族事務幹部功能應定其辦理、文化、法令及行政事務等培力工作。六、地方主管機關應扶植建立都會原住民傳統文化制度並尊重各民族領導人及幹部推舉制度。地方主管機關是其需要的編列原住民族領導人及幹部事務作業費。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案第36條,將都會原住民用語修正為都市原住民其與同委員高金素美等提案。委員陳瑩等提案第15條,地方主管機關應尊重都市地區原住民族一期傳統習慣推舉原住民族團體領袖及幹部,並得編列經費推動都市地區原住民族團體建立文化發展機制,以傳承維繫其傳統社會制度。 |
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前項領袖及幹部之名稱應尊重各族傳統習慣並應優先使用該族語言委員無力化等提案第13條。為建立都市地區原住民族文化發展機制及健全其社會制度政府應尊重原住民族部落及原住民族團體一期傳統習慣推舉原住民族領導人及幹部並得編列原住民族領導人及幹部實務作業費領導人之稱呼尊重各族傳統習慣。第38條委員高金素美等提案 |
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地方主管機關為鼓勵都會原住民定期與部落聯繫因定期定額補助返鄉遂時記憶交通費用。前項相關補助條件及數額輔助基準、處理方式及其他應遵行事項之規則由地方主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案第37條將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民其餘同委員高級宿美等提案。 |
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第39條委員高精素美等提案地方主管機關應協助都會原住民定期與部落召開聯繫協調會議其相關事項之規定由中央主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案第38條將都會原住民用於修正為都市原住民及與同委員高精素美等提案。第40條委員高精素美等提案地方主管機關應設置原住民族發展基金辦理原住民族教育文化社會福利及產業建設與發展相關業務其收支保管及運用辦法由中央由主管機關定另定之。 |
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委員鄭天才等提案第39條。前段修正為中央主管機關應設置都市原住民族發展基金其餘同委員高清素美等提案。第41條委員高清素美等提案本條例施行細則由主管機關定之。委員鄭天才等提案第40條委員陳英等提案第22條及委員吳麗華等提案第19條。均同高委員高清素美等提案。 |
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第42條,委員高金素美等提案本條例自公佈日施行。委員鄭天才等提案第41條,委員陳盈等提案第23條,及委員吳麗華等提案第20條,均同委員高金素美等提案。宣讀完畢。 |
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本日議程討論的事項所列的議案令定期繼續審查。在本日會議散會之前,主席對於維民會主委今日備詢的情形,我有幾點聲明。 |
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原住民族委員會是原住民族中央主管機關業務在於統合原住民族的政策保障原住民族的權益但是今天原民會主委備詢的表現顯現對於業務申書預算不熟悉這嚴重影響各位關心原住民族政策的立委同仁們詮詢原住民的業務 |
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身為安排專案報告的召委我感到非常的痛心因此為了主任的權益我將另期安排原住民族委員會的相關專案報告讓各界也讓各位關心原住民政策的委員再一次的能夠瞭解相關政策的機會所以今日散會之前呢也請原民會主委回去跟原民會相關的局處業務 |
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好好的再重新提一份專案報告來。我想我會再另起審查。本日的會議到這裡結束。我們現在三會。謝謝。 |