| IVOD_ID |
159669 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159669 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T09:49:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:03:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db90049f98df19e0964ca1a80f058510e45ac1f25d2de176b75bca776b5aef8effbec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:30 - 10:03:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒十五國名單，我國政府財經相關單位因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 以及各位先進有請經濟部的江市長以及經貿談判的副總代表 嚴副總代表兩位長官請 |
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首先要請教原來大家都以為說當川普總統在講關稅的時候全世界幾乎都是總理總統去跟他談我們呢 |
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原來以為說因為我們沒有邦交嘛好歹部長 因為部長沒有去就找次長去所以次長跑一個神秘之旅部長公開說你是去蒐集資料的我就覺得很奇怪喔 蒐集資料你Google一下也可以啊照顧被告去蒐集資料你要不要跟我們講一下你去那裡蒐集資料 你總要見一些人吧見哪些人 |
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可以講嗎是 報告委員我確實是有去美國我去見了相關的智庫還有業者以及相關的行政部門的官員行政部門的官員到哪個層級因為基於台美的互信我想在這邊我不便透露但是經貿官員是吧經貿官員經貿官員就是經濟部本來就跟美國有經貿的互動我們平常的溝通管道也很順暢溝通的重點在哪裡 |
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最主要呢是想了解因為那個時候是川普政府剛上任我們想知道一下川普新政他的這個確切的內容是什麼我們收集的資料呢也都在回來以後都有呈報長官那我去美國之後我們也有發現其實很多國家的這個不是只有總理包括一些資深的官員也都紛紛的去到美國去結果你們不總不去總理去 |
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因為我的目的是要去收集資料因為你比他能力更強是不是絕對不是所以我負責國際貿易所以部長不要去 部長不敢去我負責國際貿易的業務所以金貿的副總代表 原副總代表我請教這一段時間川普一直講關稅的事情談判金貿總談判處這裡有沒有跟美國相關的去談一下 |
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有沒有謝謝委員的詢問因為美國USTR負責談判對他前陣子才剛上任所以我們目前先透過其他的這些蘇星往返的管道來維持我們跟他的溝通 |
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所以都沒有跟他談 完全沒有談到因為他剛上面是這樣子嗎我們是透過其他我想我們談我們都被列為骯髒3015呢看起來就還蠻緊張的結果你們經貿團辦處好像動都不動欸變這個樣子喔我們有完全在掌握這個相關的資訊然後提供給國內來做參考然後以及我們在研擬各種你不需要去美國 |
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你不需要去美國不需要去跟他談我們現在就是在等待他的4月1號公布之後因為美國也有提到說他們希望在4月1號公布了這些關稅那才會建立一個美國跟其他國家的一個更公平的基礎談判基礎我請教你啊這談判基礎是不是美國當然希望能夠降低這個他的貿易逆差就是我們的順差700多億美金這個對吧就是希望我們多買他一些 |
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少賣 要他多賣我們一點是不是這樣子要縮短這個gap這個對吧對 就是他的所謂的公平貿易就是他希望可以多增加美國的產品我能不能這樣講一個極端因為川普是勝利人你賺我700多億美金想辦法你吐出來700多億美金我這種傢伙對不對 |
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請問你我覺得美國現在的政策基本上它最終目標是要追求國家跟經濟的安全所以呢它透過了不論是要在製造業的重建或者是說它讓美國的這個可以有更強大的這些出口能力來增加它的就業率你沒有回答問題啊它是不是要盡量七百多億盡量拿回去或者最少拿一半 |
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我可以這樣講嗎就是我們目前沒有看到這麼具體的金額那我剛才提到他應該是以他發展他國內的產業增加就業率以及人民的收入為目標這個教科書你不用講了你要回答我問題了你這個沒有回答我問題來 次長次長你剛上任這個次長了是你心目中有沒有感覺到川普會希望我們多給他買多少有沒有這個數字一半 |
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700多億 最少說 叫我一半在過去來講 請問在過去我們那時候平均 |
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這幾年才賺的多啊 以前沒有賺這麼多啊以前兩百億美金而已啊以前呢 我就記得很清楚啊這個好久好久以前吧我們大概大概每一年賺美國兩百億美金然後每一年這個虧跟日本貿易力差兩百億美金從美國賺來的剛好給日本過去是這樣子 對不對我們有沒有可能回到那個光景說我只賺他兩百億美金 有沒有可能 |
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報告委員因為這是整個貿易結構的改變在川普上任的第一階段的時候我們大概對美的順差大概是六十幾億到現在就增長了十倍那最主要是因為整個全球供應鏈的改變現在美國的客戶呢對我們的沒有問題因為我時間不多其他的教科書不會講我跟你講個具體的 |
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這個 請那個財政部的莊部長一起上來莊部長我調出來了113年去年美國進出口前30道的貨品跟我國的進口稅率最高的稅率是什麼最高的稅率叫做其他石油原油濾清提出的原油多少呢 2000多億新台幣喔 |
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關稅是零然後其他集體電路關稅也是零這些就是一百五十五億美金了關稅零跟專部長比較沒關係你稍微休息一下還是請你站在那裡來 江市長對我來講我覺得說很簡單這裡面前面五項加起來就一百五十五億美金了 |
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跟美國其他國家買的不要再買跟美國買我就可以少掉155億美金的順差我這樣講法合理嗎 請問 |
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合不合理 我這樣推論合不合理這個是因為台灣最主要是資通訊大國所以這些就是我們生產的產品所以美國自然會跟我們進行採購所以我們現在要做的事情這個都是零趴啊 所以我可以盡量多買啊關稅是零的啊 我多買啊對不對 次長你今天來這裡就是要鋸石與刀所以你剛接了這個次長要好好表現啊 |
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對不對 我現在告訴你這個關稅都是零所以就給它double紅稅紅稅我就可以少掉一百五十億美金的順差我都幫你撿了來 再看到下一頁對等關稅啊 降關稅啊 |
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財政部的專務部長 你知道第一項嗎其他位列名的食物調製品那是什麼 你知道嗎那是什麼其他位列的 你說食物調製品是什麼 你知道嗎有啊 是什麼舉落那些啊雜項 雜項調製品還有很大一塊 這叫健康食品 |
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健康食品這裡關稅30%第二個冷凍雞腿來農委會的次長一起來農業部的冷凍雞腿跟雞翅20%車輛剛才有委員提到了11.5%可是我們車輛賣到美國其實很少啦很少啦 |
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幾乎沒有啦 我們是零組件多零組件多 車輛也少所以這個 要弄清楚我就問部長一件事情健康食品的關稅有沒有可能跳降30%您講的是那個保健 維他命啊什麼的30%這個部分對 30% 30%那這個部分我們跟產發署也持續在做聯繫那這個產發署的部分它目前有很具體的一個方向第一個就是說 |
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部分產品可以做分年、分階段的降這個關稅有一些也可以調降那至於具體的項目我們現在請產發署能夠把它提供給我們所以大方向健康食品的關稅要調降就對了這個是保健食品的部分對 產發署已經有一些有相當具體的分析意見請問產發署 各位看好這個破破文的我還有學問的喔 |
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這裡面是我們從美國進來關稅30% 20% 17.5% 6.5%全部加起來台幣你不會多一二十億美金一點點而已啦就這一部分你怎麼去關稅啊你說這個農業部的我們也不希望去影響到我們這裡的這個 |
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農家嘛 對不對我們的產業也是要考慮到全部給你錢你就20億美金要多少錢倒是有一項經濟部的這個次長你聽好喔你知不知道原油我們一年進口多少原油 |
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我們整個的原油是兩千多億新台幣啦從美國進來兩千多億啦佔全世界四千多億啦 佔四十趴啦那一部分原油全部跟美國買又多了一百億啦所以我都替你算啦我剛才說一百五十五億double就一百五十五億減掉再加上原油還通通跟美國買 |
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他們在美國買 要減少100億美金了就減少了100億美金了 因為現在100億美金40%跟美國買 60%跟其他國家 中東的那些通通不要 我們現在反正不兌國籍 不兌國籍 到底他們在美國買 就少了100億剛才150億加100億就比你少掉250億 那個叫做什麼你今天來這裡賺到 你知道嗎 |
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我們教你怎麼去縮短這個台美貿易利差啊一天就少掉250億再加上我們在期望最後一個好不好 目前就結束了請鍾英龍的副總裁 朱副總裁朱副總裁 一個人講這個問題 時間到了不要耽誤太多時間好 台幣省值 |
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你是降低順差啦 你要減10% 你要減10%就很簡單的事情 可以嗎 請問你可以嗎 |
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其實對進口貿易的確是委員講但是我們要考慮到金融市場的穩定性這會引起資金的移動所以這也是我們要考慮現在的川普希望美金弱勢 |
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他希望其他的國家不要貶值他恨得要死 說其他國家的幣值都在貶他氣得要命他希望維持弱勢美金所以我們講說川普的意思喔 台幣升值對 可是川普政策的不確定性會導致他 譬如說本身他利率要維持比較高的水準我承認到了喔我就問你 有沒有可能台幣升值啊 |
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來降低我們的貿易對美的順差這又可以講了幾十億美金了 我跟你講好 我知道有沒有可能對 但我們同時就是我們也蠻關心金融市場就一升值之後的金融市場影響最後一個巴菲特說美國未來一年內經濟衰退的機率超過 |
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50% 這個你同意嗎我覺得現在的因為美國的政策到底具體的方向我們不確定我承認有衰退的可能性但會不會超過50%現在我們沒辦法沒有超過50% 你們要聽清楚50%以上的機會衰退50% OK對 是因為川普的關稅政策不穩定是這樣子的 |
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謝謝我們接下來郭國文 郭委員 |