| IVOD_ID |
159655 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159655 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T09:32:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T09:41:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900eec142da249f94e71e62e9fce1db2a03ab2aca70ba98bac0672f50a45871b9275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:56 - 09:41:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、農業部部長、內政部首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「鄉村發展總體檢討及如何提升城鄉發展韌性之規劃方向」進行報告，並備質詢。【3月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
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請出座位委員長安 |
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副主委我們今天要討論的就是我們國土計劃法在2015年完成之後就分三個時間時段時程來做這個實施那全國的國土計劃法跟縣市的國土計劃法都已經公告了那國土計劃法也讓我們國土的功能分區圖延長了這個六年的時間那副主委你對這個延期的個人有什麼看法想法呢 |
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當然在當初在修法的時候其實有一些爭議所以在這個為了解決爭議所以大院就有做這個展延的決定那這個修法之後其實在這一段期間其實我們可以做很多的事情一個就是剛剛提到那個項規就是第八條第三項這個指甲師先生我必須要做的這個內容 |
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另外一個我覺得在這段期間區域計畫它還是要執行就是說因為國土計畫法公文分區還沒有完全的公告那在公告之前呢這個現行的都市區域計畫的這些執行也必須要做所以有關這些譬如說開發許可的過程可能就要跟是 副主委 |
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最重要的就是因為如果這土地被劃定之後的話不能隨意變更所以未來只有5年做個通盤檢討才能變更所以就是被劃定它的地目的話就不能隨意所以才會在延長6年時間好好的讓我們政府去做個宣導 |
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去規劃最重要也是各地方全國的各地方縣市政府的話在地方的發展上能夠統籌出一個功能的分區圖出來才是最重要的那在這點的話我們國發會特別要了解 |
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現在雖然說我們國土計畫法的主管機關是內政部但是我們國發會負責的是國家的整體的政策的規劃也負擔著所有我們國家的整個資源分配跟我們各部會的這個做一個協調者對不對是你們是各部會 |
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整個整體的協調者所以你看到經濟部的話他們所主管的是產業的園區國科會的話負責的是我們的科學的園區農業部的話是負責這個農地所以你們居然要各部會去整合的話應該是本席是建議說應該是用國發會來主導你們從中的協調才會更加的順利是不是你們那個負擔起這個責任嗎 |
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是 跟委員報告 其實我們現在就負擔這個責任因為我們現在做六大所以主管機關是應該有國發會嗎不是 我們本來就在做部會之間的協調工作應該有你們啊 因為內政部還有沒有辦法跟跨部會來做協商因為這個橫跨的經濟部還有國科會跟我們的農地農業部等等還有其他部會的所以你們必須在資源分配上還有統整各個意見上你做個協調者 你就應該來承擔這個責任你們願意嗎 |
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國家層級的這個六大區域層級要升高嘛我們確實要去做這個責任所以你們願意承擔這個責任嗎國土計畫法是主管機關所以我現在說你們願意承擔就應該由你們來主管好不好 |
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你們在推責任了嗎不是沒有國家的重大政策的規劃者你卻不願意承擔這個責任因為我本席為什麼會這麼說就像是我們大矽谷計畫它是我們桃竹苗地區的這個包括我們這個資通訊還有半導體國際物流生醫跟生技等產業的聚落 |
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那我們希望是讓我們的產業更擴大這個產業的效應能夠帶動整體的這個薪資水平跟增加我們就業的機會所以我們希望說我們國發會就可以來做個統整讓你看桃竹苗也橫跨桃竹苗嘛各縣市它的這個分區的那個功能這個區分圖要做出來所以我們這個國發會來做統整做協調是更加的讓這個事情能夠事半功倍 |
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是 我們已經有一個機制了你都一直點頭了 那就沒有問題了不是 我們有一個區域治理的平台那譬如說桃竹苗大氣谷其實我們也都在開像昨天我們已經開了第二次的協調會議把各部會都找來那昨天我們都開了滿長的一段時間把各個細部計畫還有配套措施各單位他們所在桃竹苗的地區所做的這些建設我們通通一一的檢視跟計畫 方案我們都檢視過 |
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整個國土計畫如果說在國發會來統整的話可以讓我們產業的用地更加的通盤跟長遠的規劃可以做得更好所以這點你們希望你們回去再討論一下好不好謝謝 不然的話你看包括農地 農地有農一到農五 |
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他的農地如果被你們劃定特定的工業功能區分圖之後的話他是不能隨便變更的那農民的權益呢要如何去保障所以你還在跟農業部去溝通嘛我們樂於協調啦樂於協調就是協調者才必須把這個責任更加的擴大好不好那針對於我們地方今天還有排一個地方的創生計畫看到很多地方的創生計畫的話這個質詢率到現在是怎麼樣 |
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很多人來申請計畫嗎執行率有沒有過半跟委員報告我們在地方創生現在分幾個部分在推動第一個部分是各縣市或者是民間團體他都其實在問你是你執行率如何執行率其實都有超過你統整這個創生計畫的話你是總經費是多少我們現在執行都有超過八成以上 |
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這個數據再給本席 因為我看到數據沒有超過60%啦那最重要我們地方的創生是希望我們年輕人可以回鄉服務讓他能夠離外地方來為地方來做一個貢獻服務嘛那可是很多的計畫沒有來申請的是什麼原因我之前在質詢的時候也請你們去了解是因為我們的門檻太高呢還是我們的流程太過繁複讓他們沒辦法來申請你們調查結果是怎麼樣還沒回答本席 |
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是跟委員報告因為我們現在除了鄉鎮公所能夠提案之外我們也有一個叫多元提案就多元提案的方式其實不只公部門、私部門甚至於NPO他們都有可能去提案所以這個提案其實我們希望就是由下層比較主動式的那希望鄉鎮市區公所或者是縣市政府他們能夠輔導或透過我們的輔導機制 |
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所以我們國發會還沒有實際了解為什麼沒有來因為我們也在在地看到很多一些創生的一些年輕人他們在做的時候都有那股熱忱但是的話為什麼沒有永續下去或者中途就作罷了那當然就是虧錢沒辦法沒辦法只好作罷 |
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那我們看到我們要年輕人回鄉來做這些事情才給了地方的創生那地方的創生很多的計畫因為是年輕人那我們是不是說不只是年輕人我們可以讓地方的長者他們很多的經驗跟很多的想法可以跟他們結合起來的話讓我們年輕人結合年長的人一起來做這個地方創生再更可以相輔相仁是更好的才能永續傳承下去這個可以一個方式 |
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謝謝委員建議其實這個我們也在這樣子做那譬如說我們的青培站其實我們青培雖然他是年輕人當頭可是他其他的這些成員我們需要他能夠有五個跟他相關的團隊成員這些通通都沒有限制也就是說我們希望年輕人能夠反向可是他因為 |
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地方中高齡化那個還是需要一些年輕人在那個地方對 我說相輔相成 相輔相成跟我們年長的一些經驗跟他們累積的這個做法可以一起讓我們的這個創生計畫可以更加茁壯非常感謝委員好 沒有問題 謝謝 |