| IVOD_ID |
159620 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159620 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-26T10:52:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-26T11:04:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8cb7ec0b2cd1ea34c93f83652bf5ea4a9336bc333af6bdb0320df3df7f6ba36dc53c89e6150c5b455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:52:07 - 11:04:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們是不是請這個彭主委 |
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主委 大家都很關心任內最重要的任務之一 亞洲資產管理中心現在川普剛上任沒多久 當選的時候你提到川普政策的不確定性會有很大的變數川普政策的不確定性對亞洲資產管理中心會不會有什麼樣的影響 |
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當然我想這個都會有影響不過以我們現在推動的政策我們現在初步大概以鬆綁國內法令然後建構基礎的架構來講的話現在影響可能還不大但是就是說真的比如說我們要真的進入到吸引外資的階段的時候它會影響到國際上面不同市場之間的這樣一個所謂的相互影響那這個可能就會因為 |
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畢竟資金的流動跟利率跟匯率都有很大的關係那我們先現階段在做主要是鬆綁法令建構基礎架構我覺得現在影響還是比較有限好那這個有這個中華徵信所他們這幾天有一個報告他們提到說其實台灣的這一個 |
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我们的金控公司如果有机会合并的话然后能够扩大规模更具有竞争力他认为这样对于政府所要提倡的亚洲资产管理中心也会有帮助我想请教一下主委的看法 |
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對於金融機構規模的擴大的論述一向都是存在著我想不管在學理上或實務上也都有支持的論據我想市場若是自由的競爭然後就是針對他們所謂我以前談過的良質的合併就是以共同追求共同利益這樣的合併的方式金管會都是持這個支持的態度 |
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那如果說真的能夠未來台灣的金融機構金控公司更有競爭力我想這也是我們監理上一個很重要的這樣的一個方向所以我剛才講過只要是一個良質的整備對 那我意思是說對於這個亞洲資產管理中心如果說這個金金合併的話 |
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有什麼實際上面一個幫助嗎?比如說我們從過去整個整併的經驗裡面看到整併會帶動子公司規模的擴大比如說兩家金融公司合併以後相同的子公司必然要做整併整併以後就產生規模經濟的問題還有就是未來它有規模經濟還有在 |
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特別是在國際移動的時候它會有更有的所謂的能見度跟它的影響力我想這部分當然是一個正面當然所有的診病它背後也會帶來很多診病的成本我想剛剛委員提到就是說當我們經貨公司規模擴大以後當然在於我們促進資本的流通我想是有幫助的好 那請教一下在今年初的時候這個主委有提到就是說未來這個金融診病你有一些方向 |
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然後也說這個第一季會提出這個相關的修正的方法那請問一下這個辦法有出來的嗎方向是怎麼樣我們現在這個辦法自從上次有說明以後我們還是按照既定的進程你說第一季嘛因為現在是三月底了我想說這個金融整併的這一個辦法有修正了嗎我們現在已經在做內部的這個整理中應該很快的就會對外公告 |
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那方向呢?方向的話,其實我覺得第一個啦,還是一樣,我們會從記取過去,我剛剛那個業務報告也提到,我們會記取過去的這些整變的經驗,我們會改變現有的做法。比如說,我具體講好了,這個你之前也提過,這個公開收購的門檻,現在是10%是否會提高? |
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我們應該對金控跟金控之間整變的門檻會提高那大概提高的比率大概是到多少這個我們等到最後定案再跟大家報告這肯定要提高那你有提到就是說金控收購金控跟收購獨立機構門檻會分流就對了對 未來也是這個方向 |
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然後呢這個雙槓桿的這個比例雙槓桿比例的話假設我們會做一個配套措施原則雙槓桿比例就是雙重槓桿比例是控制風險但是如果說因為診病的話他有一個明確的理由他必須要去舉債籌資的部分那這部分我們會給予一個寬限期間做改善這個這部分我們會列入配套措施就是會比較彈性嗎 |
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對 就是會有一段期間比如說你可能因為這段時間可能來不及現增你可能未來還是要做現金增資但是你現在願意先用舉債的方式也在合理的範圍會突破那個125%的話那我們也可以讓你有一個明確的計畫執行而且具體承諾的情況之下我們可以有一些彈性在一段的時間裡面嗎對對對好 那這個非合意的併購必須以現金為主 |
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我想其實我講過很多次其實我們在法律上其實沒有所謂的這個差別就是說我們應該講說有啊你們有說合意跟非合意方式會不一樣我們的方向應該是認為說其實你既然是不是採用合意的併購雙方要有明確的區分因為不能夠方法不同因為它背後的 |
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這個公司民主程序是不一樣的那不一樣卻有一個比較簡便的方法而且會導致未來市場上的不安定所以原則上剛剛委員提的我們曾經在過去對外也揭示過我們會盡量比如說會用採用以現金為原則就是非合意的併購是以現金為原則就對了是的好 |
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這其實之前有講過我只是在確認一下而已然後請問一下現在就是說亞洲資產管理中心要管理有錢人的資產那其實去年也跟主委有提到說日本他們因為有NISA然後可以小額投資在一定的金額裡面免稅那上次也問過您的台版的TISA那您說這個也有可能在這個今年就會開始實施那請問一下台版的TISA |
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現在的情況是怎麼樣?台版的TESA我們分兩大塊第一階段的部分我們按照步驟進行六月上路應該沒有問題六月上路那內容會不會更重要啊?內容的部分就是跟薩斯跟大家報告大家可能關注的是另外第二階段的部分有沒有租稅優惠這部分我們持續在跟我們財政部在溝通當中 |
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那跟我去年問你也是一樣啊不是當然啦每一年每一年都要有個進度啊我去年十月問你也是這樣子講啊那今年現在三月你又問你你還是這樣子講因為這個如果說是我們今晚會能決定我就決定啦對不對當然是這部分所以我看你也是找了這個莊部長也找了好幾次嘛不光只是這個TISA還有我等一下要問的這個雅灣專區也是一樣啊這個稅賦的事情啊 |
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我也希望說我們能夠盡快跟財政部能夠達成協議啦那這部分我們也在努力中那所以你六月份出來的TESA是長什麼樣?我上次跟各位報告TESA部分我們分成因為我們是可容納性的TESA的帳戶第一個帳戶我剛剛講過就是說我們先透過業者的讓利的部分他提供一些比如說T級別的這樣的一個投資可以先從免手續費免這些作業成本是先鼓勵民眾來投 |
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投入由吉寶來幫忙開設這個國人可以來申請這樣那個帳戶管理的方式再來就是上次財政部有提到說他可以給予比如說我們的鼓勵收入的部分呢可以做所謂的8.5萬的抵稅權這部分我們也有把它建立起來那再來的第三部分大家最關切的就是說未來有沒有一些租賄的優惠我們在幾個方案之中在跟我們的財政部在溝通 |
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那大概哪時候會比較具體我希望越快越好我去年十月也是問你你也是這樣子講啊今年三月這樣講也希望委員能夠多多的支持跟協助啊 |
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至少這個我是站在你這一邊的啊是 謝謝好 那所以六月份會至少這個有一個版本的TESA版會出來就對了就說架構已經有了那我們就說如果說我們整個吉寶在這部分它扮演一個非常重要的角色 |
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他提供這個服務這也是一個他整個在系統很多東西也幫我們做了很多的努力這部分也是一個要謝謝我們吉寶公司來做這些事情但是我覺得大家關注的時候未來怎麼樣能夠普惠全面的這樣一個租稅的這樣的方案我們會來持續來溝通啦好 我再問你 |
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亞洲資產管理中心設了高雄的專區哪時候會開始現在是這樣我們的所有的事辦方案經過跟高雄市政府還有跟金融機構的溝通跟商業的溝通完畢我們大概已經溝通完畢了我們現在的那個整個的事辦方案 完整的事辦方案目前有幾家銀行簽了這個投資意向書16家後續還有其他的比如說我們的投信 證券 |
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後續還會持續的再慢慢的加入那我剛剛問你就是說哪時候會開始正式的營運如果我們現在順利的話我們的規定應該是會在月底跟月初的時候公告公告的話接下來4月應該就可以開放申請那申請的時候如果他開始籌備設立的話我們現在預計的規劃最快應該是7月左右就可以應該可以進駐了好 |
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那一樣 其實剛剛嘉賓委員問的是比較保守跟含蓄就是問你說那到底稅賦可能性怎麼樣你有跟專部長有提過說包含OIU OBU OSU的稅率嗎OIU OBU現在我們本來就是在國際金融業務條例就有了就有這些免業者的營業所得稅這些問題 |
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還有對於免扣繳的那部分大概都有了我們現在上次OIU的部分因為今年2月5號到期我們也爭取在送進力法院把它延長10年我想這是一個OS優勢到127年但是我們的OBU是沒有期限所以這部分我們大概就是按照這樣來處理那稅賦這方面有相關的優惠嗎?不然它的吸引力在哪裡? |
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它不是只有地理的條件嘛我就說在稅務這方面的話有什麼比較特別的可以吸引他們過來OBU的話基本上你在那邊從事OBU業務我們OBU條例本來就對這個從事這樣的金融機構它就有一定的免稅有這個誘因那對於外國人的部分所以沒有特別再多一點 |
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說服上面的一個誘因這個就是我們要必須要再跟國際對標我們看看比如說我們的競爭者競爭商品這我們還是要跟那你有跟莊部長有討論過這些東西嗎我們都有討論我們都有我們也敗會過那莊部長的態度是怎麼樣他當然是站在政府議題的角色他有他部會的立場我們都要尊重但是我們會盡量溝通把一些相關的影響對其他的負面因素降到最低然後這部分也要跟他討論未來可行的方案 |
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7月如果要正式營運我是希望說稅負這方面的誘因還是要加強因為我看到有很多業者也有在講就是說那如果沒有稅負上面的一個誘因的話只是地理上面比較方便那其實因為台灣是一日生活圈沒有特別的一個誘因所以他們一定要到高雄其實跟委員報告一下我有仔細看一下銀行局他們做的這些的放寬加總起來放寬的項目應該超過20項以上那你有滿意嗎 |
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我覺得我們的同仁很盡力過去在整個法規鬆綁的規模跟幅度是過去也從來沒有出現過的我想在這部分我們要促進這樣一個事情的發展我覺得我們一定是在全力的來進行這件事情好謝謝謝謝主委謝謝李坤臣委員接著我們請林思明委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請彭主委彭主委 |