| IVOD_ID |
15961 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15961 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-29T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-29T13:35:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:05:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eaa75a1f35c7302ecd9b5fa2f296a935343be8d109af184be4ef4193482ae618405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:59 - 13:35:00 |
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大家早安我們請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員13人以主法定人數 |
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我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上一次的會議議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年5月22日星期三上午9時3分至12時24分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人練習委員鄭天才委員等14人 |
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列席官員：內政部政務次長董建宏．相關人員．法務部參事廖江憲．衛生福利部新理健康司檢任計政李炳章．相關人員．文化部文化資產局綜合規劃組專門委員紀佳麟．財政部國有財產署副署長王采業．金融監督管理委員會銀行局專門委員張曉平．主席吳昭吉委員齊銘 |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議一事錄決定確定討論事項一審查委員吳啟明等17人擬拒不動產估價施法部分條文修正草案案二審查委員蔡易瑜等17人擬拒土地法第73條之一條文修正草案案三審查委員林旦化等17人擬拒土地法第14條條文修正草案案討論事項和並詢答委員蔡易瑜說明提案要旨內政部政務次長董建宏報告委員蘇巧慧等15人質詢分別由內政部政務次長董建宏及下官人員 |
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財政部國財產署副署長王采葉金融監督管理委員會銀行局專門委員張曉平法務部參事廖江縣衛生福利部心理健康司檢任基政李秉璋答覆說明登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員高金素梅張志倫林楚英等三人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢為 |
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及未及答部分請相關機關與一周內令書面答覆並複製本會決議一不動產估價施法部分條文修正草案案一第8條修正通過二增定第18條之一趙委員吳其明等17人提案通過三增定第18條之二四第46條趙委員吳其明等17人提案通過 |
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5.審查通過之條文及相關法制用與授權主席及議事人員整理。6.審查完距離,據審查報告提報院會討論,不需交由黨團協商,並推請無召集委員齊名於院會討論時作補充說明。2.土地法第14條條文修正草案、土地法第73條之1條文修正草案等二案。 |
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第14條趙委員吳啟明林淡化等4人所提修正動議通過第73條之一維持現行法條文不予修正本次會議審查通過這條文相關法制用於授權主席及議事人員整理司兵案審查完均一句審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推請吳召集委員勤勞於院會討論時做補充說明宣讀完畢 |
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請問一下各位委員上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤或遺漏的地方好謝謝我們議事錄確定我們現在在場的委員我來先介紹進行本日議程報告事項我們請宣讀邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況並備質詢宣讀完畢 |
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王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員黃潔委員李博益委員 |
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謝謝在場的委員昨天我們大家一起在12點多結束所以大家可能這個身體有點疲累來繼續我來介紹一下在場的這個所有的官員內政部部長劉世芳部長歡迎也恭喜民政司代理司長鄭英宏護政司代理司長陳子和 |
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議政司司長王承基合作及人民團體司司長林福來宗教及理智司司長林清奇議政司司長沈哲芳綜合規劃司司長王明正資訊服務司司長黃國裕秘書處處長施明次人事處處長林翠玲 |
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政風處處長 歐建智會計處處長 許守國統計處處長 饒智堅法治處處長 鄭信偉警政署署長 張榮興刑事警察局局長 周祐維國土管理署署長 吳興修 |
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移民署署長鍾景坤中央警察大學校長楊元明建築研究所所長王榮進 |
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空中勤務總隊總隊長錦妍淵國土策會中心主任鄭采棠土地重化工程處處長林慶林國家公園署署長陳茂春墾丁國家公園管理處處長陳乾隆玉山國家公園管理處處長盧淑飛 |
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陽明山國家公園管理處處長楊茉玲泰魯閣國家公園管理處處長楊金珍雪壩國家公園管理處處長林文和金門國家公園管理處處長鄭瑞昌海洋國家公園管理處處長許韶良台江國家公園管理處副處長賴建良 |
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國家自然公園管理處處長張登文介紹完了我們在場的委員以及我們的官員的話我們現在就請內政部劉世芳部長來做報告部長請問您要幾分鐘我們就給部長五分鐘的時間 謝謝 |
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謝謝昭偉：高金委員：也非常謝謝今天的所有內政委員會的委員：還有我們所有大院的委員：主席：各位委員女士先生大家早今天曾邀報告內政部的業務概況：倍感榮幸：內政部業務廣泛：我受命接任內政部長：深感肩負的責任重大：為了回應民眾的殷切期待 |
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當會遵循賴總統的治國理念以及卓院長所說的誠意溝通人民優先的施政原則全力以赴在過去歷任內政部長所奠定的基礎上繼續廣納各方意見找出新方法好方法來貼近民眾的需求致力建構韌性臺灣均衡社會打造一個讓國人生活安居安心安全的永續家園 |
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以下我就四大面向的重點跟各位委員先進來簡要的報告另外內政部今年重要的工作推動情形詳細資料也敬請參閱書面報告首先在第一個面向就是安居家園跟永續國土方面第一個因為因應 |
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今年0403的花蓮大地震內政部隨即投入救災跟復原的工作串聯業者整合旅宿空房並且提供租金補貼預計可提供超過5000戶的居住照顧那內政部也依行政院復原重建方案秉持著從優從速從簡的原則在今年5月6號特別請我們的吳長士代表在花蓮成立專案辦公室 |
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本部重建家園的團隊也實地訪查災損的情形提供安置重建或者都更等專業技術諮詢以辨明有效率的方式來積極協助受災的民眾 |
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在有關居住正義方面所謂的社會住宅3.0計畫：內政部在8年20萬戶的社會住宅政策已經直接興建超過10萬戶每合包租代管約7.8萬戶預計今年年底可以達到政策目標而且會提供超過52萬戶的租金補貼 |
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為了落實賴總統所說的百萬租家戶的政策也已經籌劃在114年到121年新辦累計各25萬戶直接興建與包租代管設宅以及50萬戶的租金補貼 |
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：預計在兩年內達成北臺灣都會區設宅全數動工．四年內完成百萬戶的目標．此外本部也會繼續提升設宅服務機能．結合淨零排放等國家政策．並且融入社福設施以及NGO提供關懷服務．讓居住生活更加溫暖跟美好．第三有關居住安全 |
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居住安心任性臺灣在過去我們已經陸續完備了都更三法截至今年4月抵止都更圍牢案較106年的圍牢條例公布以前成長達6倍之多未來本部要持續精進危險建築補強或者是重建的政策方面 |
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例如﹐針對危勞建物提供簡單快速的申辦流程﹐並且優化金融協助或者是稅捐減免等鼓勵誘因﹐打造﹐加速打造安全的居住環境此外本部也會將輔導各地方政府成立協助弱勢家庭防社的修善志工隊﹐透過民間活力的注入提升居住環境改善能量 |
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有關淨零排放列為第4點就是國家公園淨零排放的行動計畫我們已經推動森林濕地跟國家公園自然的探會盤查並且鏈結SDG跟ESG的精神將企業社會責任導入擴大企業來參與保護保育未來4年我們將推動溫室氣體移除量倍增在國家公園內增加環境多樣性與直批覆蓋率 |
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在海洋部分要結合民間共同富裕山湖並且以澎湖南方四島東沙環礁墾丁綠島等地作為優先推動區域第5推動淨零的建築轉型我們已經建構了建築能效評估計畫從112年7月起分階段由公有建築物帶頭做起引導民間建築來跟進 |
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本部將持續透過公司協力的共同合作．朝著淨零永續目標來邁進。第二大面向在加強打詐跟強化治安方面一是推動公司協力打詐聯防計畫為了強化阻絕新型態的詐欺行政院在今年5月9號已經送行大院審議打詐新司法未來本部會與相關部會努力落實建立打擊數位經濟 |
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金融電信詐騙的合作機制此外本部也將結合民間團體行政部門共同強化反詐宣傳以擴大民眾對詐騙手法的認識同時也會加強165的通報功能提高目前165涉詐高危險業者名單的公佈頻率讓民眾可以及時試詐 |
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第二推動警力勤務精進強化治安的防治計畫我們會盤點跟檢討警察業務跟勤務的現況並且廣納各級警員的意見提出精進方案搭配事辦與成效檢討的方式來精簡警力勤務提升打擊犯罪能量另一方面針對新興販毒非法槍戒黑幫形態改變持續貫徹行政院反毒綱領並且推動專案掃蕩非法槍戒 |
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． |
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強化它的功能以及完善災害潛勢圖資會讓民眾可以隨時查詢到政府規劃的防災資訊另一方面為了維護救災人員安全未來也將整合公安雲端資料庫借接公務單位的公寓大廈管委會跟物業管理名單讓搜救單位在第一時間瞭解可能受困民眾以及瞭解全盤狀況 |
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第二守護關鍵基礎設施本部已經擴編保二總隊預計於114年前陸續派警力防衛民生及產業關鍵基礎設施並且持續補強警備人力跟裝備推動應變訓練參與跨單位的聯合演習以達到保安整備的目標第三推動國家的韌性整備本部已經推動韌性社區制度截至今年5月已經有2.6萬名合格防災室 |
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未來將繼續與民間、學校、機構合作在一年內全國要突破五萬名的防災式的訓練同時也鼓勵企業設置自主的應變隊叫T-CERT以建構全社會全災害的防護韌性 |
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第四大點就是深化民主治理跟精進人權保障在健全民選地方公職制度本部所凝聚的地方民代知己跟村里長事務補助費的修正草案貴委員會在5月8日審查通過懇請大院能夠在最近的時間三讀通過我們一定會給予大力的支持第二有關宗教健全發展本部落實推動宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理戰刑條例 |
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來輔導地方解決宗教不動產問題以規劃修法延長本條例的審任期限為主會繼續保全宗教團體不動產的產權第三接軌國際人權我國在消除一切形式種族歧視國際公約的國家報告在今年4月已經提出行政部門的回應方案而且本部也凝聚了禁止酷刑跟其他殘忍不人道或有入人格之待遇或處罰公約以及認責定 |
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以上簡要報告,敬請各位委員先進多多指教,謝謝 |
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謝謝部長,我們讓他做完整的一些業務報告,也讓我們在場的同仁們更了解一下未來想做的業務。好,我們現在進行詢答委員質詢前,原理我們做幾點宣告。第一個就是我們每位委員發言的時間,本會委員5分鐘,不要的時候延長2分鐘好不好,7分鐘。 |
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非本會委員5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記臨時提案截止提出時間是在10點與本會委員詢答完畢之後我們再處理請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好 那麼我們現在就請登記第一位的書巧會委員來答詢 |
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劉施芳 劉部長 |
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蘇委員長部長今天第一次到立法院備詢首先要先恭喜部長老實說部長算是我們的大學姐啦過去在立法院的表現也都是以第一名的優秀立委著稱不過部長今天站在這裡的心情不一樣以後內政部的事都是你的事全國的安居樂業這個內政部的執掌我想部長真的要靠過去的經驗一肩扛起啦這先給部長加油所以該質詢的還是會質詢你啊 |
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謝謝指教那部長我想今天第一次是內政部可以問的方方面面但我們當然還是先從最近的時事開始向您垂詢這個部長一定知道5月26新竹市發生了一起不幸的高樓層火警的事件那部長不曉得你有沒有掌握我們在這個事件當中有兩名消防員不幸罹難殉職這樣狀況最主要的原因是什麼部長可以簡答嗎 |
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蘇美媛議員 |
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電纜線短路的時候當時一段時間濃煙密佈而且可能是有毒煙所以我們的消防員進去的時候他連他的面罩裡面都被那為什麼消防員會要進去因為有民眾在裡面收到通報所以他一定要進入火場 |
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是,沒有錯,他們衝進火場裡面,但是在衝進火場裡面,那第一時間內呢,他出來以後又有聽到需要裡面再救護,所以兩位又再進去是,所以在這樣的狀況,我們根據媒體的報導,看起來是因為高樓層嘛,因為空間複雜,所以有所謂的空間迷失,最後可能因此讓消防員沒有足夠的時間離開現場而不幸殉職 |
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好那部長我今天因為我也不是專業我不跟你討論原因的部分但是我想請你看一個統計數字是這近10年近10年我們總共有11件的事件是火警是在這事件裡面有消防員殉職的事故那我把這11件的消防員罹難數和民眾罹難數統計出來這樣的數字不曉得部長有沒有看出什麼端倪或署長有沒有看出什麼端倪 |
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是在這幾件的統計當中我們都知道其實我們報章雜誌也想得非常多也就是說我們對於消防員在聽到有火警或是大規模這樣需要救助的時候第一個消防員自己本身的安全或者是進去之前的裝備或是訓練是否有需要檢討的空間讓我們能夠保障消防員要救助其他民眾的時候會更安全的 |
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3122.767 |
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因為我們今天只有5分鐘必要時才能延長我也不知道我這個必要到底怎麼定義但是我很希望主席多給我一點時間齁那我直接跟你說啦我的看法是這樣你看我們有這麼多件是民眾罹難數是0的時候還是有消防員罹難所以呢根據這樣報章雜誌的報導裡面甚至我們可以說他是在無人的狀況下消防員為了救火災火警這個災害防救他還是必須進場 |
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所以在這樣的數字當中我想問一個最簡單的問題是我們有什麼方法可以避免消防員罹難 |
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部長有沒有覺得什麼方法可以進去時間的關係我直接跳接我的意見我的意見是就是不需要消防員親自進火場是最能夠減少消防員傷亡的方式 |
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好我這不是異想天開而是我們是不是能夠有更多先進的科技能夠補足消防人員消防弟兄讓他們可以減少進去危險火場的機率什麼意思比如說今天的新竹市的大火其實部長剛剛您也說了 |
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我們是收到通報已經救出民眾出來以後又收到說還有民眾在裡面可是我們進去以後我們不知道民眾在哪裡所以我們有沒有更好的儀器我是不太懂啦但是比如說什麼聽說是紅外線還是什麼熱感應還是什麼什麼之類的對不起我可能有說錯的部分但我的意思是有沒有更好的高科技可以讓我們更清楚的判斷消防員本身要不要進去 |
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好 那這就牽涉到消防署的研究量能夠不夠我看到的是什麼我們在20我們在111年的12月成立了消防科技研發辦公室但是它的編制是什麼它的編制只有6名消防人員而且不是專責然後它的經費是什麼它的經費是只有消防發展基金會支應80萬元 |
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另外是常態編列的這樣子簡單的編列而已所以你要這樣的一個單位到底能夠做出多少的科技研發來輔助消防弟兄消防人員呢我覺得很有限吧署長這幾年111年到現在也一年多快兩年啊今年成果如何有研發出什麼新的東西來嗎是 |
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科技的部分目前在計畫裡面 |
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針對人員定位現在正在研究好你的研究坦白講真的很多我今天是站在你的角度替你講話我甚至不是質詢你而已我質詢的是內政部因為你看我們現在的前這個科研計畫在分裂在哪幾個地方科研辦公室有9項研發計畫5項調查計畫案7項17.1的科技研發專案計畫中長的計畫也有很多啊但是他都零散的 |
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所以我在這裡簡單講就是我希望達到的目的就是能夠減少消防弟兄真正進入高危險火場我希望能夠達到這個目的那我要怎麼做好 我要人給人 要錢給錢 要權給權嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
新加坡內政科技局 |
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一百名的科研與科技人員部門預算在2025年會達到新台幣437億元部長我覺得這個是可以考慮的方向為什麼因為我們在維護社會安全的部分其實不是只有消防我們警政也是啊甚至是空總也是啊如果這三個單位需要的科技研發是可以一起整合在一起的一個局處是真正的給人給錢給權 |
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那是不是能夠做出更好的政策讓保護我們在維護社會安全的人員我覺得這是一個可以考慮的方向部長我再說一次我覺得真正能夠降低消防弟兄發生危險的狀況就是面對高危險性的火場的時候讓他們有更大的機會有更好的機制機具輔助 |
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讓他們不用親身涉險我覺得這是最好的方式謝謝委員的垂詢我想你講的非常的重要我們也發現到有這方面的這個弱點需要來補強那未來不只是消防員包括警政甚至像整合我們的空總的部分在實務上面怎麼樣降低我們去救災的人他們進入高風險的區域裡面可不可以用科技的方法或是更好的方式來降低救災人員自己本身的傷亡 |
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徐宇珍委員 |
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主席部長好徐委員早部長我想請教您這是您上任之後的第一次要做施政計畫的一個報告那因為我看你們剛剛您有報告講說請我們參閱書面報告那在書面報告裡我看大部分講的都是1到4月的工作的一個推動的一個狀況那本席想了解的是您上任之後您想要做的計畫是什麼未來的施政重點是什麼 |
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好,非常謝謝徐委員的垂詢,在我的報告裡面其實非常清楚,第一個,如果有好的內政部原來在推動了,譬如說社會住宅,那我們現在是以成倍數的部分,以前是50萬戶,未來是100萬戶,那必須要加強,但是我們重點會以北台灣,因為我們認為說最需要這個社宅的部分是以北台灣的青年族群比較多, |
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所以北台灣包括跟三四個這個縣市政府怎麼樣合作找到合一的地點來推動社會住宅或者讓社會住宅的人可以住得更安心這個時間要不要加強我們會來研議那另外謝謝部長您剛剛提到的這個社會住宅的部分我想請教你因為我在您的報告裡面的第4頁因為一般我們講的社會住宅我想這也是賴總統他競選時候提到要社會住宅要興建100萬戶 |
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新建100萬戶的社會住宅好像認知是不一樣的一個是租屋一個是新建社會住宅 |
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因為我從我們的報告裡面看不出計畫在哪裡進度在哪裡然後大概是怎麼樣的狀況跟徐委員報告一下您的槌尋非常的正確我們所謂的百萬戶的部分的話包括興建住宅本身還有包租代管還有租金補貼這三樣因為都可以來幫忙我們的青年怎麼樣更便宜的租屋的房市有助於他未來的就業跟就職的部分所以這三項都包括在內所以所謂的百萬戶是這三項 |
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我們一般認知的新建社會住宅是25萬戶是嗎?然後50萬戶的租金補貼還有25萬戶的包租代管是嗎?所以這樣子的100萬戶其實跟我們認知當時的賴總統的政見跟您在上任的這個記者會有提到的社宅百萬戶好像有一點差別 |
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社宅住屋百萬戶而不是真的社宅百萬戶 |
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新建的部分是25萬戶然後包租代管還有其他的租金補貼總共加起來全部三項加起來就是100萬戶所以說當時賴總統的政見的這個社宅百萬戶的部分現在目前是指社會租屋百萬戶這樣的概念是嗎三項全部加在一起原來就是這樣子這些都叫社會住宅 |
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社會住宅百萬戶的意思就是其實大部分就是25萬戶的社會住宅25萬戶的高租代管加50萬戶的租金那我想這可能跟我們一般的人認知是不太一樣因為我們一看到大概都會覺得這個大概就是社會住宅的概念那請問一下現在目前為止您說的25萬戶的社會住宅可能大概好像還需要 |
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下一個8年也就是114年到121年才能夠累積25萬戶的這個新建社會住宅那請問這個時程有可能推快嗎?要不然8年的時間才25萬戶的話其實可能有更大的打擊是的 跟學文報告一下到今年年底的時候呢總共推出的就中央加地方的大約是12萬戶所以我們用這樣推算在未來到117年 |
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你上面寫121年 未來的8年的話大概也是13萬戶 |
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所以說等於這個進度的話可能也我想大家的感受是有點偏慢因為現在就已經12萬戶了未來8年再13萬戶其實我想我們現在任期是4年那你現在想是未來的8年才會有這個另外13萬戶所以這個計畫的編列我覺得可能要請部長這邊再能夠加快的速度進度的部分再把它補強希望能夠越快越好 |
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另外再請教部長我們現在有一個國土計畫法要推動根據它第45條的規定應該在114年4月30號前公告國土功能分區圖但是到4月底之前只有金門連江、花蓮將國土功能分區圖的法定書圖提交給內政部來審議請問一下還有19個還沒有完成的政府內政部要怎麼協助他們 |
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那這個計畫會不會延後?是,謝謝委員的垂詢,您講得非常的正確,確實到目前為止只有三個縣市政府提供上來,那我們在這個行政院開院會的時候,包括新北市的市長,他也提到說他對國土計畫法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3775.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
能不能如期在6月7號以前送到內政部來審查是有一些疑慮他希望我們多做溝通那我們也瞭解到說其他的縣市政府包括有一些宗教團體或者是農漁民團體都有表達不同的意見那目前我們還是希望說他們能夠按照原來 |
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3802.826 |
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由內政部的國土管理署的方向送到書圖送到我們部體頭來審議當然我們這個委員：大院的委員也有提到說有沒有需要延期的部分那延期的真正理由我們如果瞭解狀況可以馬上排解就排解如果沒有馬上排解的話我們會審慎評估也就是說國土計劃法的規定的話就是被歸列為是農業發展地區的話就不能再變更這對於農業線的影響很大 |
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國土計劃法對於農業大線來說太吃虧所以說雲林縣也會暫緩提交內政部的審議 |
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內政部要跟這些縣市充分的溝通,讓他們了解所有過去計劃法想要推動的重點,我相信這個部分才能夠順利的來推動,否則的話大家都覺得我們做不到,你現在把我框住,尤其是雲林縣它現在想要成為一個農工商併進的大縣,全部把它框為是這個農業用地的話,他們根本沒有辦法發展 |
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這個部分再拜託部長另外最後一個問題想請教部長就是有關打詐因為現在詐騙的問題非常的嚴重就是根據警政署的統計假交友假投資的合計占全部詐欺案類的30%那我們也可以看到這個螢幕上你可以看到我們這從109年開始發生的這個詐騙的這個案件跟金額不減反增而且到去年度 |
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內政部警政署加強宣導具體方案 |
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謝謝徐委員的垂詢當然詐騙的部分投資的詐騙最多那目前為止我們內政部警政署所處理的部分是有關於市詐我們來加強165的宣傳之外我們也會加強這個頻率那最重要就是我們送到這個大院來要審查的新打詐釋法裡面有一個這個詐欺犯罪危害條例是警政署全面負責因為我們如果有比較好的法源基礎跟規範的話未來如果處理 |
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：立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會議 |
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好 部長 喝口水沒關係 |
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優委員早謝謝主席部長早安這個內政部業務報告真的是事情很多那我們就挑一些比較重要的東西今天先跟部長做一下政策對話首先第一個問題這個本席要跟那個部長討論的是有關於居住正義的問題居住正義大概分成本席關心的題目大概分成幾個面向第一個電腦在哪裡好 |
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第一個剛剛很多委員也關心這是我們社會住宅的這個建設的進度能不能順利達標因為當然我們都知道就政府在規劃我們有幾年幾百萬戶相關一些政策的時候其實喊都一定要喊高一點但實際上在執行的時候其實會遇到很多的困難跟障礙那我想請問部長大概有多少把握你們剛剛聽起來是8年後要100萬戶全部加起來100萬戶你有幾成的信心可以達標 |
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跟委員報告其實我剛剛已經有跟委員報告過所謂的百萬戶的目標就是25萬戶是直接興建那50萬戶的話就是包租代款然後25萬戶的話就是屬於租金補貼那這個部分就表示說未來我們會加匯到100萬戶的年輕或是弱勢族群那以過去8年的進度到今年年底的時候呢中央跟地方政府加在一起的直接興建是12萬戶左右 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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中央政府來興建 |
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是由中央全面來主導還是由內政部釋出資源來補助地方大概是走哪一種模式雙方都有最主要就是說我們如果能夠提高這個興建住宅的績效比如說是中央蓋比較快我比較簡單講或者是地方蓋比較快那我們都全部都可以支持所以基本上都不會否定對不對都不會否定 |
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沒有沒有 靈活調整不清楚你的主從是什麼意思就是說你要以中央為主嘛因為你規劃政策的時候你要投入資源嘛對不對如果你說中央主導興建那相對來講可能就是中央主導但是地方如果他願意興建的話對於地方人民的這個呃帶來的福利也相當的多你也會鼓勵嘛這本議只要做兩點提醒啦第一個你如果是要用中央主導興建這樣子的一個模式的話 |
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那相對來說你應該要給予都市計畫相對跟地方政府你還是要合作嘛你還是要提供地方誘因嘛因為你要由中央來興建地方也要出土地嘛對不對你還是有還是有還是有虛幣的這個問題所以說中央跟地方要一起來合作來做這件事情不是只有把這個社會主體蓋出來而已我是希望內政部你有都市計畫等等一些相關的工具 |
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在規劃這樣的過程中充分尊重地方的意見不只是把社會住宅蓋好而是由這個東西去帶動周邊的這個都市發展把生活機能處理好這樣子地方政府可以要到他要的東西他會比較樂意把更多土地提供出來讓中央來做社會住宅的興建你如果要走中央主導這一軌是要走這樣子的一個模式這是本席的建議第二個你如果要走大量補助地方那我就希望內政部該下的資源就要下以過去幾年本席從基層出身 |
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這個從中央得到的資源還是不夠的地方建設社宅其實未來都會變成財務負擔所以說中央要隨時檢討然後釋出更多的資源給地方這樣子我們才中央地方合作才能夠上社會住宅的建設進度可以順利來達標謝謝指導我們來努力第二個是有關軟體的部分就有關社會住宅的這個現行的機制入住的機制現在是採取抽籤制就是一般戶跟政策戶抽到了就抽到了沒有抽到就下次重新來 |
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那是不是有這個機會在新的政府的領導之下大家把它改成所謂的輪候制啊也就是說大家有一個積分的算法因為我有些大家需求的程度其實是可以做一個基本量化的嘛那就按照這個量化成本來做一個排隊那這個優先的就可以優先入住這一次沒有輪到下一次新的社宅蓋的時候它的優先區是提升的這樣子我覺得才符合真正公平正義的原則請問內政部針對社會住宅輪候制現在有規劃的進度嗎 |
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其實有,我可以請這個署長來跟您回應一下其實我們現行的制度裡面就有留著輪候制那其實在未來的這個社宅經營裡面輪候制也會是一個很重要的制度 |
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那有沒有具體上路的時間比他更明確的一點因為我們在新的全面在從大概明年開始我們會有比較大量的社宅會進入到中央的這個開始開始真的經營的時候借輪候制本來就是我們在規劃裡面很重要的一個制度所以明年初嘛沒關係你這會後你先內部的書面報告先提供給我們好不好好第三個是租屋市場透明化這個本期未來有提修法的一些相關方案希望內政部妥善引引也就是說現在只有包租的 |
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的業者來做所謂的實價登錄那先從政府掌握市場狀況開始然後逐步逐步的來做透明代管的數量其實比包租多很多所以這部分應該要逐步來處理那最後包含租屋補貼其實都應該要納入嘛我們政府投入了這麼多的資源去處理這個事情 |
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內政部部長 |
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好我很簡單講齁轉租的部分已經納入實價的登錄齁但是包租代管的租賃契約資訊要改為即時提供的話我們還需要再跟業者來溝通那溝通好了會跟牛委員報告就一個相關的一個規劃期程啦我們一步一步往前走好謝謝好這是居住政業部分第二個時間實在很有限沒關係但我們簡單點一下本市也非常關心公寓大廈管理齁這件事情其實非常重要越來越多的台灣人民居住在公寓大廈裡面但是始終不管在地方政府也好在中央政府也好你都很難找到一個負責的專責單位 |
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那我們希望未來的公益大廈管理可以再做調整我們不要每次都只是像城中城大火之後然後每次都只是針對安全的部分來處理本期重視的是軟體也就是怎麼樣建立一個健康的管理環境包含政府端你能不能夠簡化行政程序讓公益大廈管理變成一些相對輕鬆的事讓這些擔任管理委員會主委跟管理委員這些住戶不要有這麼大的負擔從廠商的角度我怎麼樣輔導社區讓他可以找到經過分級篩選 |
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委員會主席 |
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那這次今天我們開個頭相關詳細的問題跟建議我們會用書面的方式提供給內政部希望內政部也針對這件事情好好來做一個規劃 |
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最後一個是本期非常重要的一個政見是行政區劃法也是現在賴總統過去做行政院長的時候曾經提出的院版的方案這個我們已經一路都有在做研究本期的選區生活圈非常破碎有很多這樣的行政區劃重新調整的必要性我們會提出相關的草案我也希望院裡面也要有一套自己的說法我們再來做詳細的討論第一建立遊戲規則第二我們的版本會要求人民的表達 |
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繼續我們請張宏祿委員質詢 |
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我請部長部長沒有休息已經在台上了但還是要有禮貌一下我要尊重召委來那個部長 |
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其實我那個宗教團體以自然的名義登記不動產暫停條例其實要快到期了是那其實這個臺灣的這個宗教寺廟這個其實很多問題是由來已久的對那他們現在遇到最大的問題就是說他們很難提出 |
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認定不動產為宗教團體實質所有的證明文件這個時間很久了歷史的工業那我們有沒有說想要再給他延長一些時間是 非常謝謝張委員的關心那其實我前兩天有拜訪這個中國佛教會跟大高雄的佛教會所有的這些在佛教界的這個長老或長老你也提到這樣的狀況那原則上我支持可以延長 |
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第一個就是說因為地方政府在輔導這些宗教團體不管是有自然人或者是非自然人的部分呢確實我們的出家眾他比較不了解俗世裡面的這些規則那我們願意多多來支持那我想這樣子因為本來在宗教就是維持我們社會治安讓人民可以寬信的地方然後那麼為了這樣的法律上面已經時間到了不能夠再繼續做延長或做一個輔導的方面的話呢 |
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反而造成他們的困擾所以我支持用這樣的延長的方向但是延長多久的時間是不是讓我們內部有作業的時間以後再跟各位委員來做報告部長我也不贊成無限期延長是你讓他無限期延長他就沒有壓力不趕快來處理當然我們是希望問題及早解決其實這個問題在台灣 |
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每個宗教宗派都遇到我跟你講在很多那個教會在原住民的地方然後其實可能100年前我提供給你的那現在又很多產權的問題了那你也不可能去把它拆掉啊也不可能啊對不對各個宗教都有然後啊 |
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有關於土地的這個問題不是只有這個有一些寺廟啊他是啊在 |
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我們很多法令還沒有實施之前他就已經在那邊了那我們這個部分這一題還有一個有的寺廟是有國有地 |
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但郭友麗現在無受不讓受啊那你問題也沒辦法解決啊那我們是不是就是說你就是在這個宗教這個廟已經既有存在了那我們應該去協調國有財產署他這個廟如果是財團法人或什麼他以後這個絕對不會變成私人財產的情況之下 |
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非常謝謝張委員對宗教團體他們的需求了解得非常的深切其實我也碰到有人告訴我說有一些已經列入古蹟長達400年 |
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四百年前恐怕還沒有國有財產署四百年前我們的行政區塊也不是這個樣子那我所要推動的部分就是說如果他能夠證明比如說我們取得空照圖在一百年前或是說五十年前他已經在那個地方的話他要限地當成是宗教團體或宗教場所來使用而不是營利的話其實在我們的立場上我們可以來協助他 |
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根據財政部的國有財產署現在的土地讓售大概面積會很小還有就是如果你要租的話大概是九年為主那這個很多人會覺得說九年以後我要再九年再九年這樣對不對那這個部分呢我們來跟財政部來做這個溝通我的想法就第一個因為宗教團體不是盈利組織 |
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委員會主席 |
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讓這個宗廟自己本身可以存在那個地方然後不受其他的影響那至於他能不能取得國有財產地還要看他們所在的範圍第一個我們一定要有共識他們一定要避開土地所使用的敏感地帶如果他有安全疑慮的話恐怕站在我們官方的立場不敢去同意這件事但是如果沒有安全疑慮我想在高山上很多寺廟大概會有類似土石流或是地震啊等等影響 |
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以外我們用其他的行政手段我們來跟地方政府一起合作反正部長我覺得啦這個問題啦不管是幾百年前的寺廟或是幾十年的寺廟我覺得我們都要去把它解決啦我覺得只有一個一個啦他如果買了這塊土地或藏住這塊土地他不能另做他用啦永遠就只能當宗教寺廟我覺得只有這樣子就可以解決很多寺廟的問題啦 |
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國有財產署不在內政部我們會跟他協調 |
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順便請警政署長 |
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請署長你知不知道有一種現在新興的還沒有列入毒品的叫做伊托米茲知道這個是一個麻醉藥品對那我們現在查獲這個東西我們都怎麼處理 |
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現在只要吵的話現在目前是用行政採訪那對行政採訪對那這個問題你知不知道現在在在我們這個社會上問題很嚴重很多年輕人就在抽這個 |
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時間的關係啦這個阿 |
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年輕人流行說這叫喪屍啊對就喪屍喪屍啊屍體的是喪屍跟臉我跟你講這個非常嚴重我認為署長你剛上任你應該把這個內有重點趕快把它解決啊對然後同樣的問題我們內政部應該主動跟衛福部跟什麼然後去聯繫這個你把它當成要事法去處理我覺得不對 |
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這個就是毒品了尤其是販售什麼的我們應該把它積極納入啊然後積極的去抓啊我跟你講一個新興的毒品的產生你不馬上把它剷除的話以後就越來越多然後咧等它變成一個很大的這個龐大的事業鏈之後它養的越多人你越難處理 |
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委員會主席 |
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我們6月7號會就會來開會6月7號這個主席給我3、4秒這個問題很嚴重所以多久時間可以處理我不是問你什麼時候要開會 |
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把他納管嘛有兩個第一個納入毒品管理第二個你們要積極有效的去查我們會積極來查來查處好不好所以6月7號你是剛是說6月7號會納入毒品是不是我們都審會會把他納入來做一個討論是把他納入做為新型毒品的一個範圍那以後把他納入法律來做來做來做取締 |
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我覺得啦這個跨部會要來做啦如果你6月7號提出來跨部會積極做我認為啊3個月內就可以把它列入獨平以後就可以依法去處理了那我們還沒到之前還是會積極來做一個查處 |
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王美惠委員 |
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主席,我們請補充,補充,補充在這裏面看到,認真發表,可以來做補充的時候,我們非常的高興,但有很多我們內政要做的問題,所以 |
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你我都是同樣為了北省來發表來合作的本身我來自嘉義市因為嘉義這幾天詐騙集團對歐里桑歐巴桑尤其想說存一段錢要投資的所以在家的營營又看到他的手機 |
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看他的內、他的顧慮是否可以繼續等一段時間﹖但在本事所了解﹖大部分都放棄尤其在這個過程當中﹖他都想說﹖他的功課都有經過申請後﹖他想說﹖ |
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財政的專家,他就想說這個又在電視常常看到的,他就倒數下去,倒數之後他也不知道怎麼方便你,有一天是我們的檢察局,他就說你的錢去方便你,他才知道 |
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若像這樣,署長、部長,要如何叫我們的司法人員、財政人員,了解詐騙集團,如何去議訪?這是最基本的,來回答一下 |
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委員我相信你對你鄉親的服務都非常好我可以跟你一樣有這種心情我們都有親戚朋友受到這種投資詐騙集團害所以我們在這裡特別提醒我們的競爭屬的同仁包括我們地方的警察局的同仁都要第一時間來提起去銀行或是去郵局 |
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委員會主席 |
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我們的165現在的來案量非常大,就是因為很多我們的鄉親朋友,尤其是在歷史的時候,都全是在家裡阿公阿嬤會打電話去問,這樣我們阻擋下來,不要讓人家拋棄的非常多,但是委員講得非常正確,我們要繼續加強 |
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包括你所說的,我們現在所說的這個行政委員會通過新打造的司法,裡面有一種就是說未來,你如果在LINE或是其他的Meta或是Google這裡,有要從最入口的時候要實名制,不要說一個叫做阿鴻,去訂一個公告,結果被騙走了,這個阿鴻 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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5286.773 |
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5292.896 |
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事法一起通過,連後也有名人,我相信大家都知道,譬如說現在有一個名人叫王美惠,在那個地方說我現在在加疫苗要辦桌,一個人交一千塊就好,這是假的,但是我們知道這個部分之後,我們會一樣追查這種假的 |
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．議員． |
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臺議或客家委或甚至有些觀光客應該來宣傳,我們內政部會努力 |
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法院長,在剛才你的說明中,我相信有聽聽,沒有聽也不知道,因為你們都說,我們要發言,去議會的時候,議員要注意一下,因為現在的問題就是,他們不用見過議員,跟你們一起去吃,我邀你來台北,因為這是要給你們談的,這是內線的, |
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所以他就只割了來台北高鐵的那些高級人這是也有的所以在北京本身說實在的我們這個詐騙集團很猖獗的會覺得說雖然我們有法定在這本身本身也來說政見投資信託和顧問法的第70條的記憶 |
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有說到剛才部長說的愛實名制．實名制裡面．也有漏洞的地方．救命的地方．像我們年輕人．有時候要救命去申請．這也有的 |
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所以部長我的意思就是說,我們要經過加強,因為這個詐騙集團說實在的,任何人說到這個,大家都會受到氣氛,所以這個要去加強,要去處理,尤其現在的內 |
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不管是年輕的、老的也好,都可以用,這是非常嚴重。．．．．．．． |
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不是說觀眾台灣覺得是打仗：這是不應該這樣：所以我都要為了打仗來發表：在這裏本席要跟你談到的就是：嘉義市的社會住宅：長久以來我開始時：也覺得我們的社會住宅：對嘉義市非常需要：尤其現在嘉義縣 漸漸已經老了 |
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許多企業家都去加議官接觸：畢竟加議、加加議官、加婚姻是共同生活圈：所以在這範圍內：婚姻委、加理事的社會主宰、加無情、加規 |
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5495.999 |
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5496.219 |
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感謝委員對於 |
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5525.902 |
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5526.042 |
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因為我們這幾年時間夠了 |
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5564.761 |
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．應忙稍為阻撓．麻煩委員給我．因為有很多．我們自己企業的建設．需要您的幫助．以上好 謝謝美會委員的質詢．謝謝部長．謝謝署長．繼續我們請李博義委員來質詢．謝謝部長請你先回座3分鐘 |
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5589.505 |
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好請部長先休息謝謝來我們請警政署消防署移民署張署長還有蕭署長以及鍾署長 |
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委員好謝謝來三位署長兩位熱的那內政部在五月的時候五月十幾號的時候宣布了一個錦霄移空深夜勤務津貼也就是對於錦霄移空的基層同仁們對於0到12晚上12點到早上6點的這個勤務的加班費加急的部分那署長有沒有聽到什麼反應正面或反面還可以加強的地方 |
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5654.015 |
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好那目前就是0點到6點每個小時是加100塊那現在這個加的這個一樣是大概就是以出勤務的為主出勤務的只要有排班的有排班出勤務比如講像是巡邏守望或者是被請受理民眾報案有出勤務的好出去的去執勤的為主那如果是在 |
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國土署署長 |
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5680.543 |
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5699.299 |
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有一個心態就是希望你趕快來做一個調整過去臺灣我們的住宅政策包含現在我們的設宅的興建的進度由我們前花次然後現在住都中心的董事長花敬群那他 |
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5720.46 |
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放手去繼續做這些國家社會住宅的這些新建規劃等等的我覺得這個是過去他主導但是現在你有一個很重要的責任跟工作就是說對於縣市政府他們當然我們國家的制度是這樣子對於縣市政府的重劃之後的這些底廢地 |
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還有縣市政府對於社宅興建的配合度的比例我希望國土署這邊來研議出一套如果這個縣市政府他的社宅興建量是多的然後他的社宅興建量比例或者是以比如說以112、113年年度的社宅興建比例我們這樣算一下 |
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對於這些縣市政府送上來的勢力重劃或者是區斷徵收的這些核定那國土署這邊應該要予以適度的這些增減它的這個底廢地的比例我的意思是說國土署我們在一開始在核定的時候我們就要當股東 |
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我們當股東的目的我們要當這個縣市政府要重劃的股東當股東的目的是為了籌設更多的社會住宅不然你看這樣子臺中市政府 |
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其實我們現在的做法就是先把所有未來的整體開發案 |
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主義縣市會去控管他的案子也就是說直接去下到他所有的新的案子裡面去做管控這是實務上最直接而且會核對他周圍社宅的興建狀況 |
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如果周圍的社宅少那個地方控管就會特別多我覺得你就是要拿這一個縣市我就拿臺中跟高雄來或臺南來當例子好了這三個縣市的重劃的底廢地那你內政部在核定的時候是不是就應該拿他當年或前一年的這個社會住宅的興建的量來做一個審核之外那也要適度的放入內政部要當股東來做社會興建社會住宅的一個空間 |
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5862.807 |
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感謝委員：言應之後書面資料來跟我做我們一定會朝這個方向來做我要請部長上台了現在有請部長李委員好謝謝部長部長在左營跟南子也就是我現在的選區 |
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5878.494 |
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5900.424 |
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過去8年的期間那留下了一些建設那我必須要持續的來做追蹤昨天立法院通過了這個立法院職權侵蝕法的一些修正那部長你以後不能對我反質詢但是我同意部長對我反質詢內容我來講 |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5920.678 |
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新台17縣的進度這是我要問你的因為這是從你當立委任內來不斷推動推動到換了10個國防部長換了10個市政府的公務局長只有立委還持續的在追蹤這一條目前的進度我想我會繼續來追蹤這個進度然後我也 |
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5923.16 |
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發言的部長其實整個內政部的這個工作報告裡面有好多選區的事情要做那未來都要跟部長這邊還有所屬的包含國土署、自然公園、國家自然公園然後還有一些濕地的管理還有污水、再生水的管理未來都要跟部長持續的來探討我們全力支持我講新台17縣 |
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5980.352 |
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新台17縣其實現在包含到南段北段已經動工然後未來的這個中海路我們現在已經在跟國防部包含這個海軍總醫院我們也在跟衛福部爭取海軍總醫院的提升未來海軍總醫院做一個社區型的醫院它可以支援到社區之外新台17到這個南段的工程南段接受路也在破寬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
李委員的任內比較重要的一件事情就是說我們把這個 |
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委員提到不管是未來的用水用電包括像男子的這個污水的處理廠變成再生水的部分我們當然也都全力支持 |
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新台17縣原先是屬於生活圈道路,那是屬於原來的內政部營建署,也就是國土管理署所轄管的範圍,我們一定全力支持那再來就是國防部內部的代差代鑑,如果他進度可以超前的話,那未來國土管理署有關於鋪設道路的部分,讓他可以銜接到左營高鐵站,那我想可以如期如質完成 |
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謝謝部長,那我們也一併來解決國貿社區的這些私人道路問題 |
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繼續我們請蔓怡貞委員來質詢蔓怡貞委員質詢前我先宣告兩件事情第一件事情是在黃建斌委員質詢結束之後我們休息5分鐘第二件事情是跟委員會報告今天下午原定約3點召開的數位身份證換發政策還有預算執行調閱專案小組 |
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第二次的全體委員會會議．討論本專案小組運作後續的事宜．我們開會的時間改為下午1點30分開始好嗎謝謝大家那我們現在請蔓玉珍委員質詢謝謝謝謝主席我們有請內政部部長有請劉部長 |
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麥委員好部長好請教一下因為我們新竹市東區有一棟大樓就是在27號火災有兩名消防人員協助疏散20多名的住戶後來就是二度進入火場所以最後兩名就在因為氣頻耗盡而導致在就是階梯間 |
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所以兩名同仁就因為這樣子殉職了我們感到非常難過和不捨我們並不希望這樣的悲劇一再而發生所以呢沒多久就是在我們的屏東名陽大火現在又是有消防殉職這樣的悲劇 |
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消防人員總是這樣出生入死保護我們人民人生的安全他們的工作安全跟需要被重視人事長也說目前修法的方向朝修正消防法另外職安專章的處理目前修法的進度如何預計什麼時候有出來我們的願板願板要出來 |
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是,非常謝謝麥委員尤其對於前兩天這個新竹的高層大樓還有在更早之前屏東的名陽工廠的大火那我們也非常的不捨尤其是消防員他們的殉職那我們也非常了解必須要從法律上面趕快能夠加強讓我們的消防員他們在他們的職業安全衛生保障上面獲得一定程度的一個制度上的保障那現在其實在我們內政部在 |
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前4月2號的時候已經把11條的草案送到行政院去那這個詳細的細節的部分我是不是可以請我們的蕭署長來跟您回應一下好嗎 |
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感謝委員對消防的關心目前消防法修正案包括治安專章已經在4月30號傳報到行政院那行政院正在排審那也會依據我們未完委員會的決議一個月裡面5月15號開會的時候的決議一個月裡面報到立法院來審議謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝雖然是依地方的制度法規定消防事務屬於地方的管理但各縣市可以提報消防人員需求的給中央所以呢消防署在依照所提需要的規劃以估計配發的額度新竹消防局113年編制 |
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人員的額度有380人但是預算額度有336人現在原額只有323人現在又新竹又發生這樣子的兩位同仁英勇的殉職人力缺口更為廣大了為了充足人力重振同仁的士氣並且落實就是 |
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內政部消防署是否同意提高就是在發113年的四等警察特考的員額這個是我們的新竹這邊的希望 |
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謝謝麥委員的關心我們在當日的時候包括新竹市長高鴻安他也提到說他們在新竹市消防人員不足的地方那署長剛也在現場那我們答應就是說在短暫時間內趕快把合格的消防人員補足這一點大概新竹市長非常了解 |
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行政院政副院長也要求跟考試院秘書長通電話希望說他在未來的消防員特考 |
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對,我們內政部長剛上任,但是我們很多事情都準備好了,對,很感謝 |
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所以我們的新竹消防局也是說有很多就是消防車就是要那個老舊就是要購買所以呢依據說我們的115年購買就是並更新兩部50公尺的雲梯車還有一部就是60公尺的雲梯車為了消防局同仁也是 |
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出勤的時候擁有新的就更更有救火的車輛但是是否提高購買這樣子的車輛來維護救火的那個效能對這個部分 |
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很感謝委員我們對於新竹市雲梯車的補助我們有兩個計畫一個是老舊消防車第二期汰換會補助新竹市有一部50公尺以上的雲梯車那這個計畫是在 |
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所以什麼時候會執行? |
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而後續的年度我們再跟新竹市來討論說他什麼時候可以來執行配合他的需求來做調整我們盡可能來做檢討謝謝委員因為現在我們有人力還有設備的需求所以因為上一次在我們的火災大樓就總共28層對不對但是因為我們的新竹的消防就 |
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藍旗的出動78公尺的階梯車才能就是要去有這樣子的協助的救災 |
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所以希望說我們的考量未來就是這樣子的案件我們能提早可以買到這樣子的車的話不是說車越高越好但是因為我們的空間還有地方但是如果考量說近代都市快速發展以及就是我們國道道路的狀況未來是否購買高度更好的必要這個部分我們也要去考量 |
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馬上可以救得到這樣的話我們人民才安全還有我們燒房人員也安全 |
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原住民文字 |
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國土計劃法則攸關部落族人的土地跟居住正義 |
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近年來有非常多的地方政府他認為好像有一些施行的問題希望延後來施行可是呢對於部落裡面他有不同的聲音因為在部落裡面大概有攸關8萬戶以上的住宅合法化他的那個政策是必須要推動的請問一下部長這個部分你應該怎麼處理如果其他的縣市有意見的話 |
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是,謝謝高金委員的垂詢我們也針對這個部分在內部做過討論根據我們現在的這個行政程序如果國土計劃法要公布的話是要全國一致來公布那我們正在想想看說有沒有可能是縣市縣市來推動那另外就是您所提到的在原住民的很多朋友他們認為國土計劃法越快通過的話對於房舍的合法化會取得一定的保障 |
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我們就來研議看看有沒有可能就是原住民的鄉鎮部落的話先來通過但是這個一定要經過法律上的一個程序那如果程序符合的話我是完全支持這樣的立場因為我們也知道而且我自己本身也在很多原住民部落在走動都有聽到這樣的聲音也非常謝謝高經緯的關心那未來如果有這樣可以修正的話也請高經緯多多支持 |
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既能夠符合各縣市他們的需求也符合原住民的土地正義因為過去數十年來我們政府的政策對於山地管制或者是土地規劃他根本沒有考量到我們部落的所需所以造成部落非常多都是違建所以過去因為政策不周延造成了族人權益的損失我相信原民會跟內政部我們應該要趕快來處理好不好 |
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也就是說住宅合法化還有土地計畫需要制定的原住民族土地使用規則作為未來原住民部落土地使用的規範在這裡我有幾點建議第一個建議就是也請吳署長是不是能夠理解也來趕快處理第一個就是我們希望3個月之內由內政部和園民會邀集中華民國建築師工會我們來召開部落住宅合法化 |
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推動研討會,然後這能夠來匯集部落需求,廣納專家學者的意見,我們擬定部落住宅合法化的作業規範,這有沒有可能?這可以,我們還會可能會再加邀相關的水保技師那一類的,一起就是說來探討,就是說原住民的這個住宅要合法的話 |
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部長跟署長比我更清楚知道尤其在30個3D箱裡面 |
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因為他們的土地區分不能夠劃定為農事所以內政部跟這個委員會我們是必須保障所謂的零星住戶的住宅使用他的權利應該要比照農事這樣子才符合部落生活所需要對不對吳署長您了解這件事情吧這一點就會跟剛剛第一個會兩個扣在一起就是說今天不光是只有土地合法的問題其實他必須跟建管跟水保全部扣在一起才有辦法正確去否則只有土地 |
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第三個就是要保障現行非都市土地使用管制規則的第45跟第46條也就是原住民申請興建自用住宅的規定也就是所謂的一生一次的規定可以嗎 |
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若實以三地相為單位,辦理鄉村規劃,劃定部落未來的發展區域 |
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這個我們當然會努力協助了地方政府只要他願意提出申請我們都會來支持他們好 所以以上四點都沒有問題嗎接著下來我要希望那個署長和部長能夠儘速召集地方政府來溝通國土計畫的施行如果地方政府有意見的話是不是可以請他們正面表列他們的所有的疑問而不是說反對然後就講不出理由是不是請署長跟部長辛苦一下好嗎 |
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111年到114年度的殯葬設施量能提升計畫僅僅剩1年就要結束了 |
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經費也全數的分配完畢但是部長應該非常的清楚山地鄉有很多的公所因為中央的經費不足沒有經費施作也因為海拔跟水源保育區設置冰藏設施是有環評跟水保法規上的限制這導致有非常多的原鄉難以提報計畫請問部長你是不是可以承諾我們原鄉這項計畫是可以延續辦理嗎 |
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還有各個原住民地區他的特殊性比如說簡化申請的程序部長也可以協助嗎 |
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水保會對他們來講比較貴但是我們可以找相關的水保或者是土木工程技師或是營建技師來幫忙 |
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我相信這幾點在部落的族人聽到其實是滿開心的希望說未來能夠對於原住民地區的需求我們的政府官員都會非常的理解第三個議題我就是要講到我們的獵槍的權益了獵槍權益4至803號檢視的原住民的獵槍獵槍的規範的議題上面我開了三次的協調會 |
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最高法院的判決也同意逐人自治還有保證安全性的前提下會朝雙軌制的方案訂定規範警政署跟人民會今年也召開了三次的會議但是呢還沒有修正完成請問一下部長列腔辦法修正的困難點到底是什麼 |
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好那現在我們還是同意雙軌制來做進行雙軌制那這個新的就是從國外進口的零件那就是沒有檢測問題那現在就是我原住民自己自製的列槍現在我們在制定這一些檢測的這一個這個方式方法 |
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到底有哪個單位來檢測那我們進行會會來做決定到底是要從有比較有能力的國防部他們來做這個檢測的這個單位那這樣就能夠確定好什麼時候請問署長我們大概在下個禮拜有一個有個會要來開要來召集他們來開這個會 |
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好的謝謝署長我會持續的關心這個部分第4個議題要講到的就是我們最辛苦的警察同仁的權益了我知道5月17號行政院有合併警政人員為勞性勤務的津貼也就是說12點到6點會只給每小時100塊的實質補貼但是實際我們算換算的時候看一下出任的員警他的時薪是176加100元的補貼是276塊 |
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平價料理店員時薪250塊70塊津貼加起來是320塊你們可以看到這樣的一個落差警察即便是有深夜為勞性勤務津貼實際上他的薪水 |
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主席 |
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部長： |
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7144.395 |
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我來回應好了,我想高經委員所提的非常的正確 |
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因為我們是6月1號才開始實施那未來要不要重寬來做認定的話我們會跟警政署來做商量如果可以重寬的話我們盡量從重寬的方向來進行什麼時候可以讓我們知道可以重寬因為我們6月1號才開始實施是不是實施一段時間譬如說三個月幾個月以後我們再讓滾動式的方式來檢討 |
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我們也請部長明日我要審查的是都員條例也請我們這個部長也能夠跟我們支持好不好 |
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7225.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
黃婉嫻委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7270.74 |
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好 謝謝主席 欸 部長都沒有下去了有請部長沒關係 謝謝部長好 我今天看了一下跟今天來的很多委員都穿球鞋跟牛仔褲這樣其實是符合我們韓院長藐視國會的定義喔所以 好險我今天沒有穿球鞋好 謝謝部長我來跟您請教一下您現在就是這個藐視國會最通過的您會緊張嗎 |
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7301.448 |
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我還是希望因為今天很多新的我們部會首長都上任了也是安慰大家鼓勵大家一下啦因為現在這個法通過了公務員真的人人自危希望大家在位子上都可以安心的做這個工作啦還是會努力的做大家的後盾 |
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7327.305 |
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好那先請教一下這個軟腳蝦建築因為這個其實在4月3號花蓮地震之後其實很多人都有關心的後續就是上面有一些就是黃丹建築的部分那當時我有問到就是當時的部長就是現在這個軟腳蝦建築的強化耐震的規範現在我們通知相關民眾的機制是什麼 |
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7328.146 |
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7345.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
那當時我問這個前部長他們是跟我們說108年到110年有大概的盤點出來可是到現在其實數字還是不是很明確我想要請教一下部長跟我們署長現在手上有沒有相關的資訊了全國大概有多少棟的軟腳蝦建築呢請署長來先跟您回應一下 |
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7354.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7379.789 |
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跟委員報告我們當時是篩了三萬六千多件那大概其中有大概一萬兩千多件是屬於我們大概認定在在結構上是認為是有疑慮的那所以當時就把這些資料就通知各縣市政府請他代為通知這些大樓的官委會或所有全人讓他們可以知道說他自己的大樓本身存在的結構疑慮是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7381.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7382.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
更穩報告大概不到100棟 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7399.551 |
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7423.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
不到100棟這個就是我現在最擔心的就是通知歸通知啦但是真的願意自己去做內政補強的大樓或是公寓或是相關的這個建築其實非常少非常少那我不知道現在國土署有沒有針對這樣的情形有沒有一些再去加強或者是我們還可以怎麼進一步的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7425.211 |
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7453.785 |
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鼓勵民眾來申請然後或者是說他們自己趕快針對自己住的環境來做更安全的加強呢根文報告其實我們大概分兩個面向第一個當然我們在今年以後我們還是會重新再盤點把過去快篩的成果跟他們現在在執行的方向那如果沒有的話第一個我們當然還是會持續請地方政府要通知他們因為政府有提供補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7454.345 |
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7471.301 |
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出享品的補助那其實他們只要自己做了出享品自己就可以來做決定要不要往下一階段的內政補強或是這個採取重建要去再做我想這一今年我們還是要來做這件事情第二個呢其實他會跟這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7472.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7472.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
公安檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7494.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7506.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
8層樓以上的建築物他就可以先開始慢慢來增強他對公安的一個要求把他納進去的話那對於這一個住戶來講他是有更強的提醒的作用 |
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7506.778 |
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7533.94 |
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是的那當然我也不希望變成說我們在擾民啦但是因為這個其實都是大家自己住的環境的安全問題所以怎麼樣就是可以官民合作然後讓大家整體的環境變得更安全這是我非常關心的那我也知道說內政部本來有強制規定說1999年以前的旅館醫院商場等用途的房屋強制要進行耐震評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7534.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7535.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
消防署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7556.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7576.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
好最後一點時間我來請教一下這個新竹的這一案喔因為這一案其實大家看完會覺得說有點困惑然後有點覺得說比較比較多爭點到目前這個調查的原因還尚待釐清包括說因為他的起火點是在地下室可是到最後是在高層樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7577.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7577.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
請求支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7595.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7618.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
感謝委員關心新竹的火災我們在第一時間我們的火調人員跟災調會人員都已經到現場開始啟動調查作業那火災的原因事實上剛才委員他的火災的地方只有地下一樓的電纜線間然後往上那往上延燒的範圍也不是很大就是在管道間沒有對外的延燒整個是整個大樓充滿因為電纜線 |
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7621.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7623.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
昨天還是在現場做接續的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7648.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7667.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
調查報告會由新竹市來做製作我們來做今天報告書的題列謝謝署長的說明當然這個火調還是由地方的消防局去進行我覺得調查是一個但我覺得最重要的還是消防員本身的安全因為我們真的很不想看到消防員再殉職了 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7668.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7694.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
那我想要問的是因為現在在討論消防員要不要組工會但我認為組工會之外有另外一個很重要的就是消防員可不可以直接適用職安條例適用職安專章那這個我不知道現在我們消防署的看法是什麼是跟委員回報5月15號衛環委員會在審查工會法的時候有做決議是要消防署 行政院在一個月把消防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7695.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7723.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
列入職安專章的條文報導立法院來審議那這個條文我們在4月30號已經報導行政院那曾經預計會在立法院的決議把消防法裡面有職安專章的條文列進去那除了職安專章以外事實上我們也提列後續職安的5年的中程計劃也就不是光是只有法律而是在執行面我們怎麼參考生根計劃的配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7723.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7743.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
有專業團隊來協助地方政府來強化地方人員的安全當然這個強化不是只有臺灣本身的強化事實上我們職安署勞研所美國日本的經驗我們都融入當成一個推動的一個重要項目我想這個跟委員回報那詳細情形如果委屈的話我們再跟著 |
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7743.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7759.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
好 這些資料也麻煩提供給我因為520新政府上任我希望之前你們的這些承諾都還是會繼續推動然後最後我再次強調消防員的資訊權、退避權還有現在的這些職安的權利拜託我們消防署成為消防員最大的後盾謝謝好 非常謝謝黃婕委員的質詢也謝謝蕭署長 謝謝繼續我們請黃建斌委員質詢質詢後我們休息五分鐘 |
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7776.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7780.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
謝謝主席 我們請 有請我們的部長請 劉部長黃國榮你好部長好你好部長 那個 雖然我們昨天通過了我們的那個執行刑事法不過保證不用煩惱啦 雖然我是國民黨的立委但是我們自己工作做好 大家都沒事是因為我相信我們來這裡 是為了改觀我們社會和國家的問題不是為了要理解我們的國民靈魂 是這個部分 我相信我們要這樣共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7805.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7805.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
國土計劃法 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7824.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7839.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
預計是明年4月但是現在地方政府或者是有一些團體有不同的想法跟建議那我會認為說可能我們溝通不足包括地方政府或是一些公民團體或是其他的部分我們會來做比較好的溝通的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7840.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7860.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
不然我覺得回憶是一個很好的東西還可以提醒我們發生過去的事情那些還沒有做我記得我在之前在我們頂級的補典簽告過說國土計畫法要實施之前有一個東西很重要就是說國土計畫土地使用管制規則這個補典甘已經預告了根文報告4月26號已經預告了4月26號已經預告了那民眾知道了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7869.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7882.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
根本報告其實我們當時都很早就告知地方政府會在那個時間點所以其實通常就是各縣市政府他也會趕快周知給民眾讓他可以去了解這樣的內容謝謝署長署長那個現在是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7885.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7910.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
我想這個消息出來之後：很多的指甲室：包括南部、南北都有關系：這些農民、這些漁民都很煩惱那我想：是不是我想建議不能只有公告這一塊：應該是可以跟各縣市來合作：包括辦公室、辦公廳會：聽聽我們地方的聲音：跟我們：讓我們的農民什麼可以做、什麼不可以做：讓這個法能夠推動順利那部長是不是同意這樣的建議 |
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7913.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7935.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
吳委員剛才講的部分我完全可以同意因為連我也不了解現在國土計劃法所包括的範圍內管治政府怎麼會有不一樣的聲音因為它很早以前就按照行政程序去公告地方政府包括都發單位或者是縣市政府都知道那現在我看到每個地方的縣市政府的包括民意代表也提出不同的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7935.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7958.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那所以我想既然大家都有這樣子的一個想法跟質疑的話﹖我們要凝聚共識之前﹖最好能夠再多聽聽大家的聲音但是因為還沒有凝聚共識﹖所以原來我們所設定的期程是還沒有改變﹖因為時間還沒到需要改變的話﹖我們會跟著做一下滾動式的檢討我相信部長你五分鐘去拜訪我們這位總教授﹖我們這位領袖﹖應該也是十秒鐘也說了很多歡樂的事情給你聽 |
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7963.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7968.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
農民團體也有,原住民團體也有不同的聲音農民團體是一塊,不像那個,我看到你有提及,宗教團體以治安人民於根據不動產處理暫行條例延長辦理支持延長,那延長多久還沒有確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7986.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8010.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我想跟我們當時前部長李耀昌的態度是一致的但是他有提到說要將我們內政部同步研議 制定這個宗教法人法保錦 剛剛說了宗教法人法 現在要做什麼?我要跟委員做一個不一樣的概念我認為在宗教團體內 服務的人 人 不是神才是我們內政部需要去服務跟幫忙的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
8011.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8021.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
那宗教法人法事涉很廣,因為宗教法人法到後來會變成大的宗廟團體才會做,小的,譬如說我們可能地方上當中的土地公廟啦,或是說貓族群啦,小小行啊,他們不會去處理這個啦,那如果是這樣的狀況之下,你沒有辦法涵蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8028.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8040.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
所有在宗教團體裡面服務人員他們自己的權益保障的話貿然就進入所謂的宗教法人法因為宗教法人法類似跟財團法人行政法人一樣你還要當屬定還要你幹不屬定定所以我覺得還需要再從長計議回去會做一下檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
8046.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8070.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
謝謝部長有這麼詳細的說明因為時間太悠閒我又有更多問題想跟部長討論我們就講一下居住正義的部分現在高房價讓我們年輕人看不見未來部長那天電台當官出門也起得很快這三年起了20%我們前幾天看到內政部發布的新稿就是說呼籲業者不要以碳費來徵收作為烘台價格的房價的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8072.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8074.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
民眾會好奇究竟我們碳費會不會影響到房價 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8090.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8112.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
報告委員 這個所謂的碳費 所謂的0.9的這個部分他是在建築研究所裡面的一個討論的部分那事實上現在碳費的制定或是有關未來的淨零的這個轉型的部分是由環境部來主導可是我已經要求我們的次長跟我們的建築研究所現在要類似開公聽會或是開一個建築研究的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8114.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8119.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
把真正有需要做這個探費或是探規範或是探盤查的部分把它釐清楚你不是隨便拋出一個數字然後就引起包括說買房子的人或者是蓋房子的恐慌這0.9怎麼來外面說10%你怎麼變成0.9所以這個部分我們站在一個官方的立場一定要適時能夠釐清這個狀況但是我們絕對不會貿然而然 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
8137.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8137.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
請部長持續關注這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8163.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8190.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
另外我要感謝對拜的時間 內政部有跟本席下去台中考察所以我先謝謝內政部的協助我們剛才說的是消防弟兄的問題我們這次看了資本消防問題 謝謝內政部的允諾來協助那是很老舊的在這樣的環境執勤 真的對我們的弟兄也不公平那我想要問一下部長過去八年 過去八年 你知不知道有多少我們的保安在因公殉職 署長你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
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過去一段時間的事故我們都列入檢討21個弟兄因公殉職造成21個家庭的破碎我想我們不要死後哀悼也不要悲情的哀悼我想要做的這也要做的是說讓我們每一個下榜弟兄能夠安全的從救災的現場回來這是我們要努力的部分那我想經過前天那個新竹的事情也想 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員長,好的警察不是垂手可得,他們不是隨時短期培訓就可以養成,他就長時間的培養。那在這邊我想,因為警務組現在在未來的警力的這個禁用訓練、退休及儲備上,是不是有更與時俱進的做法跟更完善的規劃?那這邊本是一個小小的建議,臺東縣這個高階的員警的員額不多,那是不是未來能夠在升遷上能夠考慮以在地的人力優先? |
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主席主席主席 |
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備請如果有出去處理是可以列進去的有受理民眾報案有出請的話是可以列進去 |
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謝謝署長：謝謝部長 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席 各位委員 各位官員 大家早安 大家好 有請部長我們有請部長 謝謝 |
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張委員你好部長好恭喜你擔任我們新任的這個內政部長那期待未來這個朝野和諧那你可以我們一起努力來為我們國人一起來打拼那首先跟這個部長報告在昨天這個我們院會有通過了國會改革的無法經過了四次院會大家都非常辛苦那這邊要想要先跟部長請教你支持國會改革嗎我支持在合憲範圍下的國會改革 |
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好謝謝部長部長我這邊有查到一個資料就在2015年的8月17號那時候蔡英文政府當時在準備要競選這個總統的時候他有到高雄來去拜會就是來跟陳菊那時候你是當時是要參選立法委員 |
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當時蔡英文政府他就有推他有一個五大改革其中一個就是啟動這個國會改革那我這邊念一段給你聽齁那當時蔡英文政府他講了一段有關於國會改革的內容是說民進黨不會因為有機會執政就排斥國會的制衡 |
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國會對行政部門的進度力量一定要專業而有力而專業而讓行政立法的民主制衡關係能相輔相成國會應該是總統的禁止在野黨也不應該看成執政黨的敵人那還有特別講未來如果當時的蔡英文參選人擔任總統絕不害怕國會監督因為他不會是一個獨行獨斷的總統也不會是一個拒絕民意的總統更不會是一個維護一黨之勢的總統 |
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所以這邊我還是希望說當時那時候你在參選這個立法委員後來順利當選那我希望說大家可以一起來努力針對國會改革來往前行可是很可惜的我們看到這個行政院在昨天晚上就發佈了在臉書上發佈說他對國會改革的部分他說要引請他 |
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要移請立法院復議以及尊重民進黨黨團的三讀通過後尊重民進黨黨團要釋憲我這邊是覺得非常的遺憾行政院感覺起來好像已經事有準備要對國會改革提出意見 |
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那這邊我也是針對這個行政院的內容仔細的去研讀他對國情報告國會改革無法裡面的國情報告藐視國會人事同意權以及調查權都有意見其中唯一一個他沒有提出意見就是聽證權的部分那相信 |
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可能現在在聽政權的部分他們現在是比較有一致的貢獻所以這邊也希望部長在未來禮拜四的院會的時候可以幫這個不管是在野黨或當時的蔡英文前總統一起來發聲記得說當時民進黨是支持國會改革的而且他有一段論述那當時我相信您在現場那所以希望這個部長可以來幫忙來協助 |
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那第二個我要帶部長來回答的部分就是說在這個國會改革的時候相信在院外聚集了非常多的這個年輕人那麼成為這次的行動叫做親鳥行動那這個行動中我相信民眾去大型的集會場所都是正常的讓我們予以尊重那可是在現場的時候我是請這個警政署長可以一起來幫忙一下 |
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在現場的時候民進黨的政治會執行長王毅川先生說他可以針對民進黨已經透過手機的這個電信信令的服務來去對這個民眾的資訊來去做一些確認那我想要問就是民眾必須免於恐懼到底這個民眾參加大型聚會的時候有什麼樣的資訊 |
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報告委員我們警察在執行群眾活動的時候絕對不會用手機去做定位群眾的這些相關的問題絕對沒有 |
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那請問他當時說他可以去針對手機的這個性命服務去查年齡層跟群眾組成的這個我就不清楚那警察的這個部分在處理群眾我們我要跟署長報告說他甚至能夠 |
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來分析出來說這些的群眾跟當時小草一月多民眾黨在選舉的時候的小草的民眾的人是不同的那我請教一下這個來請說我們絕對不會去做這種那我請教一下署長跟部長到底什麼樣的單位或什麼樣的人有辦法去取得這樣的細部的資料我相信這是全民要去了解的比如我今天去參加一個大型的活動結果我的我的姓名 |
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那我請教一下那什麼單位可以去取得這樣的資料? |
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部長知道嗎?因為的確他在新聞的以上解說他說我相信不要不需要我原因重現啦就是說他說這個他說原來這些人跟原來的小草沒有去比對過他跟原來這些517在民進黨樓下那些草草去跟他比起來也不同人啊 |
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報告張委員我們在處理這個群眾活動的時候呢我們都是注重這個警政如何維持現場的次序至於說有沒有後續後端有人處理這些所謂的電訊資料取得他們這些我們真的是不清楚 |
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我真的是不清楚謝謝部長當然我相信這個王先生他講的是事實所以我是不是可以拜託這個我們行政部門的時候針對民眾未來去參加大型活動他的資訊是不是有外洩他跟一些民間團體 |
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在聯絡的時候是不是有取得一些機密的資料他才可以這樣子來去做一些分析那我相信憑證單位這邊是不是要針對這些的內容來去做一個查核我覺得這樣子才可以讓民眾未來去參加一些大型活動的時候可以免於恐懼不然我什麼時候去參加活動的時候 |
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但我相信這個網路上還在說就好像在老大哥在監視你一樣人民沒有隱私權我認為這樣是非常不正確的一個行為好不好拜託部長這邊還有署長這邊要讓人民免於恐懼今天部長這邊好像沒辦法回應我任何的問題所以我相信說現在資訊非常的發達人民的個資不應該被外露所以這拜託部長不能就跟我默默無言以對 |
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那接下來我相信今天大家都非常注意的就是這個新竹消防員的事情那我相信很多有關於這個警消的權益的問題我們都非常的重視那這邊我是不是可以拜託就我本身的了解我們這個在警消人員的時候我擔心的一個點就是說我們的預算原額的部分能不能去做增加 |
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顧名思義就是說假設今天這個警消的人員預算原額假設要200個人是應聘的人到底是多少比如說應聘是190個人那在遇到這些可能當時很多的這些警消人員可能因為個人因素家庭因素健康因素而離職者可能到最後只有180個人所以顧名思義很多我們警政單位現在第一線的服務人員人數是缺乏的 |
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9284.413 |
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那我們希望的是說當然我這邊我們立法院是沒有辦法要求行政單位去增加預算可是我拜託這個警消單位的人是不是在預算原額的部分可以做增加簡單來講就是說讓我們的預算原額的人數可以做增加 |
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委員會跟地方政府共同來討論這個部分但是重要的是預算原額是有的怎麼樣補足像剛剛我們有提到 |
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消防員呢他們要有禁用的這個資格的話要經過考試院的這個考試那上次考試院的考試呢錄取率非常的低那現在怎麼樣把錄取率提高因為我們是合格的消防員才可以上這個消防的這個這個人員的這個補足 |
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這一點我們一定來加強尤其像新竹這個事情發生之後我們有顯現出這樣子的弱點那這個弱點的話呢我們也跟考試院已經做比較好的協調在下一次這個有關於這個消防員的考試的時候盡量以提高錄取率的方式來補足緣而不足的地方 |
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對,所以部長我這邊拜託主席再一下下所以這邊拜託部長所以我這邊這是強烈的要求就是說部長跟兩位署長這邊一定要提供本席就是過去以來可能這三年你們的這個預算緣額跟實際應聘的緣額跟實際應聘的緣額過了一年兩年了以後是不是整體消防員警察人數有下降所以我這邊還是要提出我如果預算緣額增加其實它就是有個備用人力訓練人力的一個單位它是可以補足說如果其中 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
有部分的這個單位是人數不足的時候他可以補充過去我覺得這才可以部分的去改善所有我們警消人員他在執行上的危險所以還有沒有什麼要補充的嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
現在有沒有這樣的情形我想這個原額這個部分呢也是配合地方縣市政府的預算來做一個衡量整體的一個考量那我們會再做這個通盤的這個檢討好是不是有沒有時間大概多少多久可以把這個書面報告給給本席書面報告那是不是過去三年過去三年了對大概一個月可以嗎好可以可以好謝謝署長謝謝謝謝部長 |
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感謝主席 主席我請我們的部長有請牛部長部長好丁委員好 |
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9432.503 |
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9436.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
在這兩天,我們先看到高棧樓的火災﹖順便兩位英勇的消防人員﹖在這,過去我們的林立昌部長﹖他的領帶我一直提醒我們消防人員的權益﹖跟我們的安全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
委員會主席委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9480.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9482.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
應用到時尚,釋棄到風險感,做要驚慌出來,或是氣氛耗盡,負面來殉職,遺憾的事情,讓人非常關心。我們想另外釋棄,是不是要及時來更新。 |
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9522.158 |
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市長感謝議員的關心,我也覺得非常不捨和遺憾,那未來我們在做怎麼樣的檢討跟改進的話,其實很多委員都有垂詢到,包括說能不能提供更好的科技救災的方式,在我們確定火場裡面並沒有要救助的人的時候,那我們的消防員不要急著衝進去裡面。 |
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9523.999 |
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這就是我們未來我們要來討論的一個問題我們這個高戰樓的灰災有可能我們看回後面的經驗 |
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9546.977 |
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會較早：所以近日我們這個國戰樓的徽章來：來發會：的風險會較正高：我們消防人員：消防人員的：氣評：一屆的納球是維持20分鐘：維持20分鐘：但是面對我們這個國戰樓的徽章：現在這個氣評：20分鐘的時間：的時間是絕對是不夠的：還是可以經過這個更新： |
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有更高容量的氣瓶來替換：還有無線電的通訊設備：不管是有過獎或不過獎：在高棧樓的火災：在火災中的高溫度：有可能影響到無線電器材的使用：在這個環境上 |
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我們要跟指揮中心進行溝通,讓他們有可能申請到、付到、來責任,這是通訊的問題。 面對,因為恢復或交流去影響,責任事先不清。 |
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有辦法判斷就方向,或是有辦法我們設計提升的這個可能性,這幾項我們都可以即刻來檢討,我們說可以更好找出問題,更好更新,更快更新我們的社會,對我們消防領域的保護,這是最重要,否則這樣才有同意。 |
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9639.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
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更多不高層建築物的設備是要靠更多本身的自動灑水設備跟安全管理這個區塊來處理當然這個案例我們會整個來跟國土署共同來檢討看怎麼來強化 |
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建築由業者來負責這個區塊：在委員部裏面在那邊硬頂多賠一個就是消防局個別裝備的器材補充差不多有19億多的經費那這個部分我部長有交代說要跟地線統領到底地線統領需要補什麼設備這當地多鎮而已 當地統領要看什麼 |
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真的能夠符合縣市第一線同仁救災的需求我給議員跟委員報告那氣頻要不要容量要不要增加這個會牽涉到我們的訓練跟裝備的複合而且曾經某些國家用過結果重心沒穩點頭不見得是好事所以這個運作的模式我們整個會檢討一下什麼方式對救災人員是有幫助的 |
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接著放肆來處理該委員會報,謝謝 |
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國土計劃法 |
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提醒國土計劃法以及法律內容每年4月30日開始實施。進行林副長下令進行,但委員會沒有進一步討論。進行經過國管局宣告後,每年可以接行或不可以接行。 |
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9782.449 |
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9784.511 |
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國土計劃法,是不是在明年4月30號的時候可以完成,然後對外全面來公布? |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
主席 |
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9830.318 |
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但是在你一句共識之前我們必須要了解說每一個人他們所提到他們在乎的是什麼項目不是只有一句譬如說雲林縣政府向縣長也提到說暫緩實施那盧秀燕市長臺中市長也說暫緩實施那這個新北市長告訴我說他們比較疑慮希望能夠多溝通但是疑慮是什麼他沒有告訴我疑慮是什麼所以我想說是不是港委一個縣市政府這分配我們再討論清楚之後需要 |
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9845.407 |
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國土計劃法已經講了十幾二十年以上如果沒有推動的話對未來台灣的整體的國土規劃還是會有影響 |
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是 抱歉 報告主席給我一點時間在這裏補充給你說明一下近期我們附近的區域我們婦人館的農藥農養的農地區域的運輸都總有過半7000多公頃這裏的農藥農養將我們全國運輸的基率差不多有3分之2的土地這個基率全國關係是第二的 |
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委員會主席 |
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9929.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
感謝委員： |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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10004.99 |
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謝謝主席 本席請劉部長部長好本席看了您的學經歷我對你很期許因為您做過行政院秘書長做過總統府副秘書長還做過政務委員也做過立委所以我看到我們很多的業務我們都需要是整合性的 |
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10030.851 |
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我這個當第二度在進到立法院當立委我發現各部會常常推來推去缺乏這個大家都至少門前選所以我們希望這個劉部長就任之後我們內政部也非常非常多的這個事務希望能夠借用您過去的這樣的一個經驗能夠好好的來推展那首先本席也是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
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10049.052 |
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請教部長就是今天大家都關心的本席也是新竹選出來的立委我們新竹這個前兩天發生的這個火災那部長可您剛剛我聽了前面兩位立委您的答詢 |
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10050.205 |
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10070.927 |
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您知道真正讓消防員殉職的最確實的原因是什麼如果根據初步的火調資料的話就是說他們可能是因為一氧化碳中毒然後致死我所了解是這樣子那署長有沒有跟您說就在去年12月 |
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10072.574 |
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10101.693 |
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我們新竹也有一位才剛殉職現在才幾月?現在5月去年12月28號我在現場屬長親自來在醫院的那個就是他的急診室屬長親自來看這位殉職的員警我也在現場那其實這兩起不要講其他的其實全國現在會常常聽到消防員這個殉職真正的原因 |
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10102.694 |
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10106.46 |
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部長不是您剛剛講的還有沒有更深入一點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
10111.425 |
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10139.039 |
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首長沒有說嗎?上一次12月才發生,現在5月又發生感激委員,事實上每一次意外事件,我們都有個災調會進行詳細原因的調查我聽到你講到這,可以先暫停了剛剛我也聽到部長講,非常的不捨,我們大家都很不捨真正的原因,最大的原因,剛剛也很多委員提到我們消防人員啊,員額不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
10140.273 |
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10158.474 |
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原額不足我先講兩天前的這個他們其實已經去就一輪出來了正常的他就一輪出來署長你應該知道這兩個人應該要停下來換裝備換另外兩個進去因為沒有另外兩個人人員不足所以他們沒有換裝備就再進去 |
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10186.83 |
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這第一個第二個去年12月新竹一樣在新竹發生的這個而且他是分隊長照理分隊長要做指揮但是人員不足他自己進去而且進去我們署長應該知道部長您一定要了解這個是非常緊急全國都都迫切的我們不希望再聽到有這麼多的消防員殉職 |
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10187.91 |
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10188.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
1900位報名 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
10212.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
10237.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
1900位報名那為什麼沒有辦法有1000位我們考試的規則是一半的錄取然後平均分數要50分以上那300多位是因為他的錄取的平均分數沒達到50分所以才剩下那你們有沒有打算第二波跟委員報告考試的方式我們已經跟考試院檢討 |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
10255.636 |
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10268.614 |
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過去8年來本席8年前當立委消防人員也是當然警消都不太足但是不像現在缺乘缺乘這樣我也跟部長說明我舉我們新竹有一個消防分隊 |
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10270.29 |
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10297.261 |
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新竹縣啊8到12年前全新竹縣一席立委就是本席現在有兩席就是因為人口增加在竹北竹北增加的那個區塊就是密集人口區那跟這次發生的距離也非常近新竹縣是交界那裡所以那邊一直沒有消防分隊成立好不容易去年底也成立了一個消防分隊結果人員不足啊 |
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10298.342 |
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10322.533 |
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整個消防分隊只有6個人6個人一個人要留守真正發生事情的時候大家都知道開消防車要有一個救護車要有一個然後這到了現場你還要有人拉水線又要兩個對不對還要進去衝進去救人的那甚至水箱都水箱車沒有人開 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
10353.573 |
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10360.626 |
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而且今年不給 要到明年1月才給明年我們光退休就9個 我們本來就缺了缺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
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缺了40個缺40個結果然後又退休9個49那結果你就給9個結果我的缺額還是一樣所以本席在這裡花了那麼多時間其實我今天好幾個議題但是我覺得人命關天不是每一次發生事情我們就說很惋惜或很不捨 |
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10400 |
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大家都是人生父母養你看這些消防的弟兄他們多麼的這樣的為了救火你人員不足配備不足大家都質詢了所以這一塊我想請部長 |
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的部分一定要加快加緊也不只新竹縣我覺得全國這個是救災救難的我要請部長您可不可以承諾我今天也有提案在我們9月份開議之前你們方案一定要出來因為這個是緊急再緊急的 |
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徐委員所提的部分我們確定一定要來好好檢討原額不足的地方我想你也提到了一定要專業人力的補足才有用你不能隨便就找人所以你要加快補人嗎補人的措施你不可以 |
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10439.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
10457.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
按照正常程序我們已經跟考試院講了希望考試院可以提高它的錄取率這是一個另外一個就是說我們在替代方案能不能做比較好的編排所謂的替代方案我也跟學員報告昨天 前兩天新竹那個大火的部分我知道到現場去一共有24輛消防車從哪裡調來從新竹縣幫忙調來也就是說未來有沒有可能是區域性的 |
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10464.002 |
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10464.342 |
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消防署有港務總隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
10488.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
10503.333 |
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港務消防大隊那這邊的人力沒有那麼吃緊的話可以分一些出來也是很吃緊 監察院也在做糾正所以跟委員報告兩個部分的增加人力一個是特考班6月份要考 |
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10503.954 |
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10505.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
對對對所以我們希望可以盡快補足原額這個是對全國民眾的一個交代好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
10530.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
10530.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
總共有三案請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
10546.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
10562.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
國土計劃明年5月正式啟動,相關影響效應與紛擾間次顯現。國土分區有序運用的理想與實務,自105年1月6日總統公布《國土計劃法》立法以來,中央主管機關致力於推動事宜,但對於各界各縣市政府,乃至相關人民意見與訴求,鮮少梳理為條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
10565.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10575.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
職資正式執行前相關意見資訊與未來執行方案中央主管機關軍運系統性與地方政府相關學界公民團體在與溝通聽取意見因應開闢民眾反應意見平台必使未來國土計劃執行減少衝擊與民怨原期內政部與辦年內分區舉行會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
10582.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10596.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
瞭解各縣市政府學者專家公民團體對國土計畫執行事宜溝通意見．並請於下會期開議前將分區辦理研討．與民眾表達意見機制之規劃方案．山立法院內政委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐新穎等三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
10597.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10616.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
臨時提案二消防人員以命拼搏救災打火救災人員的充沛不僅攸關消防工作的落實也影響社會安全中央主管機關應與高度重視緣起內政部對消防員而問題在下會即開議前向立法院內政委員會提出檢討改進方案書面報告提案人委員徐欣穎等三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
10617.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10642.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
臨時提案三＼近年電動車風行也是未來趨勢．但電動車含充電設備火災消防署位與應有的重視．從案件統計救災科技方法逃生注意事項．置停車廠設備安裝使用標準均負確如．原請決議請內政部邀集相關機關構研討上開諸事項應與改進方案．並於下會期開議前向立法院內政委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐信穎等三人宣説完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10669.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
好我們現在處理臨時提案第一案是照案通過然後呢第三案有一個修正他的文字修正也就是那個消防署把它劃掉然後原請決議請內政部邀請相關機關或構研討上開諸事事項應與改進方案那現在我們來看第二案按照文字修正通過第二案呢目前還正在討論請問一下這個 |
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10672.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10699.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
相關單位,你們有什麼意見嗎?有,署長跟他溝通一下署長說,我就不太懂他說已經有方案,他要把方案劃掉,那我覺得也沒有差不是就方案就可以啊,檢討改進,他要改成檢討精進方案,可以啊那為什麼不要方案,我還是不太懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
10703.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
10720.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
所以署長的意思是有方案在執行那現在這個方案就是你這原額的方案目前全國都哀叫都不合理所以我要你有真正能夠符合大家的精進的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
10722.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
跟主席跟委員報告請署長來說明一下用這個方案這兩個文字主要是我們已經有一個人力經濟方案正在做已經有一個方案在執行所以縣市的缺額是這兩年 |
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10737.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10737.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
從哪一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
10758.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10762.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
主席主席絕對不是這兩年你是說那個數字這兩年出來但是在地方欠缺這個消防人力已經多年了所以這個是他回答的有點問題 |
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10788.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10809.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
所以不是那個文字嘛對不對應該是在下會期在下會期開議前向立法院內政委員會提出檢討改進的方案所以你認為方案是有問題已經在做了嘛對不對那還有什麼問題呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
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張委員說改成檢討改進報告就是檢討改進不要方案的書面報告所以他們一直強調不要方案但是你現在的方案就緩不及急而且應該要再改進吧 |
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那今年一整年全國這麼緊急怎麼辦?你要有這個方案好不好?那我至少要有這個方案,你還是得想辦法 |
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這個部分就是包括逸霄包括各方面志工甚至我們現在替代役的調整這些我們也同步在執行就現有的狀況問題就出在逸霄逸霄他是義務的嘛他白天在上班現在他在上班根本來不及啊好謝謝我建議一下好不好其實 |
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署長他可能認為方案是一個一整套一大套的啦齁那我們如果把它改成檢討改進計畫書面報告 |
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阿這樣子你還是一樣你就拿來我覺得這樣子沒有反正報告我一定會來報告他不能用方案的意思我就不太懂因為我們已經有一個方案在那裡執行所以你的意思說你已經有現有的方案那我請你給檢討的你就寫不出檢討的方案因為你就要只用原來的你不能再加強我一定會把我們剛才所報告的措施 |
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改進計畫書面報告檢討改進計畫 |
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應期內政部對於消防員額問題在下會期開議前向立法院內政委員會提出檢討改進計劃的書面報告我們就中午不休息我們繼續開會我們現在再繼續請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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請議事人員協助一下好嗎有 |
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好 主席部長好好 也請部長這個 我們先談這個 |
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零四零三避震的這個重建方案這個我也諮詢過這個內政部前任的部長我們看這個最左邊受災戶住宅貸款利息補貼這個重建貸款或是重構貸款的利息補貼最高貸款額度350萬元 |
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這個修繕貸款利息補貼最高貸款額度150萬元這個數字如果我們去跟九二一九二一很久了民國25年前九二一九二一的時候就是350萬過五級住宅重建貸款每戶最高350萬元利息補貼 |
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以前不叫利息補貼就是說他的利息就透過銀行去協助降低他的利息150萬元以下免利息所以這個部分25年前當初不是內政部主管 |
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主席 |
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協調銀行 |
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是要去真的要再提高提高這已經差距那麼久了我們看到災害防救法是後來修的災害防防救法中央災害防救委員會因協調金融機構所以你不是用你的住宅基金你要去協調金融機構重建修繕的資金給低利貸款 |
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主席 |
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因為之前不是你而是後來這樣的一個業務所以這個部分我們要去檢討要增加真的要增加物價指數各方面房價都不一樣了25年來真的不一樣了可以嗎可以檢討嗎去協調嗎跟委員報告啦其實我們大概可能我們一般的啦如果今天沒有地震的話我們一般就算你最好的這個 |
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這個利息補貼大概本來上限都是250萬的確是因為這次政財我們才去跟金管會再討論他才同意拉到350萬是這個數字部長 整個要去協調常理來看25年前到現在都沒有增加實在是真的是各方面說不過去這個部分去協調好不好我們會再跟那個政財委員 政財經營會再討論 |
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好 所以我的具體的建議我的具體的建議我也有寫一封信給那個新商任的院長卓榮泰院長上次去花蓮的時候我也寫了一封信給他我的具體的建議就是一千萬提高到一千萬利息就不要降低他的利率然後450萬以下免利息這個部分具體的建議 |
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希望往這個方向去努力最重要的就是說這個今天那個也請是消防署嗎這個災害防救法天然災害無論是地震或者是風災或者是水災不能因為震災風災的這個那個大小但是對一個個人個體負來一個家負而言 |
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主席 |
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他都是一個不應該去大小去區分而是以各副各家副他所受的災害是一樣的應該要一樣的所以在那個消防署你們再去檢視一下去檢視一下整個莫拉克颱風還有921重建條例這些這些暫停條例這些條例 |
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有沒有全部把它放在災害防救法裡面還沒有納入的修正納入這樣的話才可以一體適用而不要說每一次都還要要不要訂一個特別條例又在那邊爭執以莫拉科颱風來講一個月 |
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莫納克的特別條例一個月就送到立法院完成三讀通過從風災到三讀通過只有一個月所以這個部分我們現在既然已經把大部分的條文有放在災害防救法我們再檢視一下可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告每次重大事故完以後我們會整個在做制度上的檢討包括法律面檢討我知道我們上一屆我們在上一屆有做了很大的一個修正在檢視我們再來依照委員指示來再做一個確鑑基本上都已經拉進來因為議題其實還很多時間的關係希望下次還有很快的就能再質詢部長因為還沒有讓你講話 |
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主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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法定人數不足 |
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法定人數不足 |
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法定人數不足 |
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現在繼續開會我們現在繼續開會接下來有請洪孟凱委員質詢第一次我阿伯才沒中沒中就已經起來了來 謝謝劉部長 |
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部長好部長也算是我們立院的前輩不過今天本席真的以嚴肅的心情一定要救教因為我知道過去您在擔任委員的時候特別關心消防員的權益2019年消防法相關的修法退讓權也是您這邊有大力促成本席先予以肯定但是記不記得 |
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您在之前質詢內政部長徐國勇的時候,當時就有提到消防員人力不足、短缺的問題。到目前為止,現在您上任了,現在的消防員還缺多少?一千三百多位部長,我們什麼時候能夠補齊? |
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我們剛剛署長在面對委員質詢的時候有特別提到從明年跟後年開始我們希望每一年補足的人數是1000人左右希望在明後年可以補足但是這中間我們還是有很多努力的方案就像我剛剛跟委員報告的部分就是說我們希望考試院能夠協助我們讓我們的消防員的考試能夠錄取率提高那這樣子我們在徵集比較多願意參加這個消防大家團隊的時候會比較快速一點 |
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但是部長有沒有去了解你說好明年後年所以有把握明年後年兩年時間可以把一千三百多位的人額補齊 |
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目前考試正在考試6月份會考那考完以後10月份會二次停測驗明年1月份會入訓那後年1月份會節約分發後年才分發對一年我們訓練時間是一年所以現在做的事情真的能夠補到 |
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然後這兩年還有有一些消防員代退退休離開所以真的要補齊什麼時候能夠補齊我這樣直接問部長你任內有沒有信心能夠把消防員的員額補齊因為這在2019年你當時質詢內政部長徐國勇的時候徐國勇其實也是跟你講一樣的話他跟你講說委員我們現在在訓練委員我們每年固定多少人但時空背景一過去之後缺額還是在啊 |
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為什麼消防員會有缺額 有可能其中一個原因 |
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就確實過去到現在不管是火神的眼淚也好或說消防員他們的一個權益也好我就比較直接請教2023年的時候當時因為大火發生消防員也有想要組工會的一個聲音當時您時任幹事長您講到的是說態度保留 |
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所以也被外界質疑是說這就是執政黨的態度那您現在擔任部長是不是您部長任內一天消防員要組工會這樣的事情是不可能的 |
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我想這樣講 太武斷了 第一個目前所以你願意考慮 願意您給我30秒鐘 第一個我們請我們的次長先跟這些消防員促進權力工會的這些消防員或者是有消防員身份或是一些其他的教授學者們先溝通 就是我們所在乎的消防員組工會 |
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最後的這個真正的目標第一個當然是保障消防員自己本身的權益那這個權益第一個保障在安全上面的維護能不能做到那事實上從這幾次的火災看出來在安全維護上面的我們做的不夠好不夠精準那我們會來努力改進同時我剛剛也跟我們的消防署長講我們可能要朝著科技化 |
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還有我們未來在做火災調查的時候不要只有調查火災發生的原因還要調查消防員進去出來或是所有在執行的層次當中有沒有哪一些是現行的科技或是現行的這個制度上面我們可以補足的部分因為我們必須要跟這些關心消防員權益跟關心消防員的朋友們能夠對話的話一定要端出我們自己想要做什麼 |
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如果最後只是一個消防員組工會,他產生的另外一個結果就是參加工會的人未來可能是有規避權、避讓權或者是其他的罷工權等等這些那你這些是不是讓那一些沒有參與的人,他反而在救災上面更吃緊 |
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昨天您去新竹的這兩位永霄的靈堂前面上香致意嗎?是 |
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這一次這兩位永銷一位年之19年一位年之14年這樣的狀況就如同2019年我們雖然有修正所謂的退讓權但是消防員在第一線遇到火災的時候他們其實根本沒有退避空間嘛那你也提到是說要加強科技的部分那就變成是說當消防員進入到火災現場的時候其實他們不知道他們面臨到什麼樣的一個狀況 |
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我個人認為其實這兩位永孝也許他們不應該在這一次他們也許可以避免不要上升火海那是不是就代表說我們真的做的不夠那再者更科技的方法我們已經講過多久了沒有辦法有一個確實各縣市都有辦法的一個都有辦法來去做能夠掌握火場的一個狀況還有最終 |
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如果現在工會他沒有辦法一步到位但至少我們消防法的職安專章現在已經要訂立了因為我前兩天質詢勞動部部長的時候勞動部何部長跟我們講是說內政部現在在做研擬那我們要說是不是能夠把消防員納入職安法 |
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因為過去來講最重要的是職安法才能夠面臨到不管是我們的這些人員的訓練我們這些人員的工作權益我們這些人員的相關的一個職業運作的一個狀況才能夠獲得保障 |
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可是如果說你沒有納入治安法的話我們消防法的主管機關是誰是中央是我們消防署地方是消防局那我們相關的僱主也是消防署跟消防局那就會有球員監裁判的狀況所以我現在比較想直接請教什麼時候我們的 |
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消防法執案專章可以出來 |
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部長我只想請教現在在這次新竹大火裡面有一個狀況就是現在的豪宅越蓋越多有很多縣市的雲梯車其實是不足的 |
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所以我們才會看到這次的新竹社大火到最後居然是要拜託民間企業用吊車來去協助把高樓層的民眾給疏散我覺得這未來可能面臨到這個就是設備的部分有沒有盤點過以相關現在新興的這些區域它的豪宅越蓋越高20幾樓30幾樓的住宅比比皆是那這雲梯車的部分還有哪些縣市有缺 |
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報告委員：除了現有的現施的雲梯車以外：未來幾年：這個計劃都已經合訂：會整個補充到39部的雲梯車：包括新竹市：會有50公尺一部 |
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本席也特別要強調是說在很多新興的區域也都需要有這樣子一個高樓層雲梯車來確保相關人員的安全我們這些東西都是有備無患 |
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謝謝委員：同時建築本身的設備我們會同步跟國土署這邊來共同的努力那設備的部分一定要跟地方政府共同來努力 謝謝好 謝謝我們洪文凱委員的質詢 謝謝部長還有署長我們接下來有請盧志強委員質詢 |
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主席有請部長部長房價高漲年輕人買不起房子這已經是清世代最沉重的痛了那我想請教您知道房貸負擔率房價所得比住宅價格指數租金指數在過去這20年裡面哪一年最高 |
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請委員多指教我告訴你 我把數字告訴你房貸的負擔率在2016年的我是講等於是馬政府的時候的Q2是37.14%到去年底Q4就是42.66% |
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房價所得比一樣是從我剛前面的2016的Q2的8.97倍到2023年的Q4是9.97倍大漲住宅價格指數更漲更多2016年的Q2是100.762023年Q4是136.20 |
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租金指數從2016年的5月是99.55到2024年的4月是105.81所以我跟部長說這四項指標最高都是現在我不知道部長你能不能深刻感受到像房貸負擔率房價所得比住宅價格指數 |
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租金指數 換言之不管你是要買房租房現在房價都處於歷史巔峰的高那部長你有感受到年輕人的負擔跟痛苦嗎有的我想在很多公司的場合裡面都有聽到這樣的聲音那也是內政部在處理社宅裡面急需要被趕快完成了一個部分 |
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蔡英文總統曾經答應要蓋20萬戶的社會住宅,8年20萬戶,但是如果是算新建的,不算所謂的包租代管或其他的部分是多少戶? |
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到目前為止 到年底 我說他承諾是多少戶百分之八年承諾多少 十二萬戶那我也要確認一下 因為賴清德總統他也曾經說過新建包租代管跟租金補貼合計覆蓋要一百萬戶嘛 對不對這是賴清德總統的政見嘛 對不對那我想請教 就是不算包租代管跟租金補貼他實際他要新建多少戶 |
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如果不算蔡英文總統的部分的話賴清德總統的8年的部分是13萬戶所以換言之12加13就說25萬那我就要想請教一下那您知道嗎事實上蔡英文總統以12萬戶來說她就是要把她算成完成承諾的話要加上新建中的4萬戶對不對 |
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所以換言之蔡英文總統所謂的12萬戶有9萬戶其實是要靠誰來完成要誰在任內完工 |
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其實他都已經在興建在誰任內才有辦法完工嘛對就是在賴總統的任內 |
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所以實質上12萬戶3萬戶蓋好了那9萬戶還要賴總統來努力可是賴總統另外又加了13萬戶嘛那我想請問八年任內真的可以嗎蓋完還是說今天一樣跟賴蔡英文總統一樣蓋好是四分之一剩下四分之三可能要留待下一任總統 |
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其實也跟委員報告啦 其實我們的目標就是每年大概要蓋2萬5到3萬戶我要講的是說把它蓋好了 因為事實上為什麼這樣問因為真正你能夠提供給所謂的住人給弱勢經濟者要抑制房價 那蓋完以後才發揮這個功能嘛 對不對 |
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所以我們要看到我剛剛前面為什麼講那四個指標數就是人民的痛苦是即刻感受到的所以我想要請教一下部長就是說這13萬戶加上蔡英文總統這個已經開動了可能還沒完成的那9萬戶加上多少戶13加922 |
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二十二萬戶有辦法在八年任期內就是完工不是讓下一任繼續施工還是說今天有多少戶是有把握在這八年任期內完工然後多少是不是要留四分之三給下一任總統部長 |
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羅委員的垂詢我覺得非常講到重點我們盡量來完成但是你所提到的部分在賴總統的任內我們要想辦法來解決關鍵的所在什麼叫關鍵的所在土地如何取得我大概知道因為真的不容易這個我知道可是一旦目標喊出來因為總統誠信為重 |
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提供給委員更清楚告訴大家你的完工目標是多少 |
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那你蔡英文總統剩下的9萬戶那這8年內的完工目標是多少以及賴清德總統plus那13萬戶完工目標是多少但我還沒有質詢到你另外一部分因為蔡英文本來說的是20萬戶他後來要把包租貸款還有其他加進去嘛可是賴清德總統其實更宏偉喔賴清德總統是加包租貸款點點點是20萬戶嘛對不對那賴清德是多少戶是100萬戶欸 |
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謝謝我們羅志強委員 謝謝部長 謝謝署長我們接下來有請我們的邱志偉委員邱志偉 對啊我講錯了 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 請部長休息一下國土署 五星醫學部署長消防署 消防署長 移民署 中署長警政署 張署長 民政司 政司長各位官員部長累了 辛苦了 休息一下第一個 消防署我們這個兩位弟兄罹難 殉職 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
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那能不能把那個殘壓警報器在供應量能夠減少?比如說目前的標準是25對不對?5050就開始警報了嗎?50%50%的時候 剩下就是跟會員報告 空氣瓶一般是250或灌到300%那我們目前有兩種不是 我說你的殘值剩下多少的時候它會發出警報? |
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殘職就是255分之1國際標準是25甚至有人說要把殘職再提高到3分之1到30%左右讓他有更多時間可以因應你這個消防署去研究好不好你現在是20他可能警報時間太短 |
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| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
警政事務部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
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委員長 你的上任就是打詐 對不對 打詐就是從預防面 對不對 讓案件減少 讓受害者減少 就是預防面打擊面你要嚴打 提高破案率 你的設定目標值 件數要減少多少 減少多少比率 然後破案率 嚴打的比率要提升多少 |
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那我想現在目前還是屬於炸機的高耗發的這個階段那我們會做逐項的一個聚焦的一個打擊你要一個月之內讓民眾有感一個月也可能太多三個月之內你要讓民眾有感減速減少破案率提升各位跟委員報告那我們希望就是說現在送到我們運方的打炸的事法的這個源頭讓這些投放量 |
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打擊面的部分對於這些車手﹑車手頭的提款﹑領款﹑或者幕後的機款每一個環節都能夠徹底的一網打盡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
中藥團體不動產登記問題這個部分是不是時間已經到了 |
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到6月11號那有很多還沒有登記你會不會再延長報告委員這是宗教師的業務宗教師啊來委員好我自己基本上我們認為對宗教的服務這個部分我們還是要持續所以這個延長我們對這個部分我們也支持 |
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| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
國土署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
吳市長這個一之一號道路一之四號道路決定念井署對不對我們這個努力推動十幾年現在這平定是地方級私地那平定的作業包括國土署跟國家公園管理署這個兩個業務共同去處理目前你我期待你這平定作業盡快完成就我了解目前是平定為地方級私地對不對那這個平定的程序什麼時候會完成 |
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這資料送來我們會馬上來做處理資料早就送了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
委員會主席 |
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高雄的危老重建目前是速度比較稍微慢一點這個部分我們高雄屋齡30年以上超過5成危老到558萬戶重建案比較少 |
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這個能不能去協助市政府你要如何去協助應該是這樣說啦其實可能也會從市府這邊下手就是說其實像台南市連透天都很努力加入因為他們不知道透天還有稅捐的方面的減免這個我們會來跟市府來因為我要遵守這個發言的機率這個時間到我就應該不要佔主席台因為後面還有人要發言我要梳理這個楷模 |
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接下來我們請黃國昌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
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麻煩有請部長劉委員好劉委員歡迎你用部長的身份回來立法院謝謝之前16年到20年也曾經同事過那我相信消防員最近所發生的事情大家都很難過那過去這10年已經有35位消防弟兄命傷火傷是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
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看到這樣的悲劇我相信包括部長全體的國人都很不忍今天消防員他們今天開了一個記者會希望可以適用治安法 |
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但不過師傅消防署一直以來的政策立場都是希望只放在消防法裡那面對今天消防的弟兄他們希望全面納入職安法這樣的訴求那部長您的政策立場如何? |
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這個政策立場還是繼續延續嗎 |
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原來就的部分因為本來行政就是一個延續的作業現在問題就出現了就是說現在基層消防員他們希望的跟原來的政策立場有嚴重的衝突嗎 |
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我現在還沒有說誰對誰錯那您作為新的部長如果要延續新的政策立場的話舊的政策立場的話你有沒有想過你要怎麼樣跟這些基層的消防員溝通讓他們理解而且可以接受 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢我剛所提到的這是基本的立場也就是說不管說消防員工會要不要組成他們的一些想法我們會先來聽聽說他們想法所要達到的目標是什麼如果這個目標用現在的消防法制定這個職安專章無法達到 |
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第二階段我們可以做什麼事所以我先建議就是說我們的次長有跟這些消防員工會的弟兄們先溝通他們需要我們幫忙的在哪裡什麼時候溝通的前兩天那他們的結論是什麼是接受你們把他放在消防法裡面放專章嗎 |
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我們所謂的溝通就是先表達我們現在可以做到的還有他們要求的部分溝通不會只有一次溝通不會只有一次但是沒有關係啦部長我覺得你剛上任這是一個很重大的課題因為其實吵滿久的從去年的時候他們表達他們心聲的時候其實你如果看整個歷程一開始他們還沒有踩這麼硬但是他們後面踩得越來越硬 |
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我要幫他們說一句話因為他們一次又一次的被騙一次又一次的失望 |
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因為我一直長期在追蹤他們的訴求那也希望幫我們這些打火英雄能夠比較好的環境比較好的法規去確保這些悲劇不會再發生所以我說我長期觀察他們立場為什麼踩得越來越硬到今天已經變成要全面適用自然法這個是部長你接下來要面對重要的課題我今天只是把它點出來但我希望做到一件事多傾聽他們的聲音多傾聽他們的聲音因為 |
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如果到最後無論如何他們還是希望適用職安法你們還是希望交防法設專章而兩個規範架構比起來保護的程度有差異的話那接下來會很辛苦所謂會很辛苦我指的是部長你會很辛苦因為接下來就可以預期兩邊要對撞了 |
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部長我希望你可以聽得懂我今天在這邊質詢這個問題的時候委員所講的部分齁我能夠接受的部分就是第一個我希望消防法裡面的職安專章跟消防員這些主公會想要主公會的弟兄們所指導的齁 |
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就是要未來執安法裡面 裡面有關於職業安全衛生甚至是專業研究發展的部分是沒有衝突的那因為如果沒有衝突的狀況之下法條所歸列的部分你放在哪個法律可能委員是法律專家都會知道他是一等適用所以這一方面就表示說我們要有共識可以繼續往前走那我剛剛有跟委員報告說我們只有因為我們才上任8天 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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這我都同意啦齁時間的關係我知道部長剛上任你需要一些時間去溝通最後確定你的政策立場我今天其實是很善意的提出來提醒因為我希望你們到時候消防法能夠專章如果你們還是採取這個政策立場的話能夠說服這些打火英雄給他們保障是足夠的那要不然的話我們一定跟這些消防弟兄站在一起推動把他們納入治安法 |
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那最後一分鐘的時間我請一下署長消防署署長署長我只跟你提醒一件事你上個禮拜我知道你去南部見了一個算是國民黨的前大老縣長 |
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這個事情我知道但我要跟你說的事情是說你與其帶著地方消防局的局長去拜會那種所謂的大佬想要用透過私下戳的方式去勸阻這些消防弟兄站出來爭取他們的權益去組工會這樣的事情 |
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我給您的建議啦是多花時間跟這些消防弟兄相處因為我後來得到的訊息是那位大佬直接就給你打槍啊直接給你打槍啊所以我們是支持消防員啊支持他們主公會啊怎麼可能去答應你所提出來這樣的請求人事實地我都有但我想你做了這個事情我 |
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收到,謝謝委員 |
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黃國昌委員質詢陳培余委員質詢 |
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主委好部長午安非常開心看到部長部長一定知道我要來許願這樣關於部長過去非常熟悉的足球運動那部長過去您擔任過高雄足球委員會的主委推動國內女足不遺餘力非常感謝部長然後還帶台灣做運動外交參加相關的會議然後重點是我3月還去參加了一場球賽 |
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在男子足球場那個球場真的非常棒我講了這麼多就是想要跟部長討論看看關於這種大型足球場台灣可能沒有那麼多場地可以做這樣的事情可是明明都市裡面有非常多對於這樣中小型球場的需求我想部長在您過去的工作經驗應該可以理解這些需求從何而來對嗎 |
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主席 |
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在以前我們都是希望說有沒有比較廢棄的公園預定地等等這些提供他們來使用但是現在在可以說土地非常不容易取得的狀況之下我們也會朝著說公園的設施裡面到底可不可以協助這些喜好這個休閒運動的朋友或者團體能夠來推動來使用 |
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那像高雄市政府在陳其邁的主政之下其實他蠻友善就是說他們如果提出申請然後付一點清潔費或管理費的話甚至學校的操場在非上課期間也可以提供給這些團體來使用可是我想要可以擴散到其他縣市的部分恐怕也必須要中央部會來一起協助所以如果委員所垂詢的部分就是說未來有很多都市計畫的公共設施的用地 |
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主席 |
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打球或是踢球然後把樹把它砍掉不太可能一定要有一大片的這樣綠地面積那同時這個綠地面積要比較平坦否則小朋友或是其他的年輕人在裡面運動的話也會受傷所以我們如果有機會的話在陳委員非常關心體育的狀況之下休閒運動設施我們會跟教育部的體育署 |
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委員會主席 |
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部長你真的很熟悉我真的非常謝謝部長我都還沒有問完你就已經知道我想要說什麼所以代表你真的對這個運動設施用地大型的中型的小型的然後都市跟非都市型的困境部長真的完全清楚那我們就直接切入重點部長我幫你找到一個可能性就是您剛剛說的再往下一頁 |
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公共設施用地多目標 |
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我們找到在內政部107年有一個令 |
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內政部令認可錘球場可以作為都市計畫公共設施用地對目標使用辦法第三條副表以獵物選項：內政部在109年一樣：內政部令把射箭場也放進去了：於是射箭場跟錘球場：就有機會放進相關的欄位當中：作為可參考的依據：那如同您剛說的體育署教育部要有角色我們往下看那體育署呢 |
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提出其實他們已經有相關的所謂五人制八人制共用型球場的參考手冊那我相信如同部長您所熟悉這個業務的程度一定知道只要把體育署相關這個辦法作為內政部相關令頒發的可能性參考其實就有機會 |
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主席 |
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張雅琳委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,我們有請部長跟署長有請部長跟署長,謝謝委員好部長好,就是剛剛培育委員其實已經把我破題了不過我也想要呼籲一下培育委員李尚往來,雖然他已經走了就是因為我自己的小孩也是從小四歲開始踢足球啦所以對足球這件事情我也是非常關心所以之後如果我們相關討論的話可能我們可以兩個辦公室一起來跟部長做一些 |
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如果以張委員所提的部分 |
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特色公園,只要不是那種塑膠或者是看起來像罐頭的油具的話,應該都可以算是特色公園,因為它每個的設計都不相同。好,我想就是說,我們在講特色公園,其實公園是給誰玩的?是給小孩玩的,像這樣子遊戲設施啦,應該這樣講,兒童遊戲場是給兒童玩的。 |
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那其實呢我們可以看到左邊的是一個比較高大的挑戰的一個攀爬設施右邊呢這個是珍珠奶茶公園在台中那我們也可以非常清楚的看到它的設施是相對的低矮的那大家對於特色公園的想像好像就是我只要做出一些特色我就可以了可是他們忽略了重點還是兒童的身心發展所以呢這幾年其實台灣雖然有非常非常多的特色公園 |
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向左邊這是在高雄的福山啦右邊是在台中這樣子那雖然現在說全台灣各縣市我們從行政院的資訊平台找到說有670座特色公園分佈在六都總計就557座相對來說是佔了將近八成這麼的多那可是呢這裡面真的都符合兒童身心發展的需要嗎其實從剛剛那張照片我們就可以知道其實不完全是 |
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王美達卡公園 |
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希望就是說跟部長來請教一件事情就是說因為我們的特色公園的標準其實是非常各縣市差異非常大我們沒有相關的標準所以等於是各縣市政府我自己去摸索我要怎麼去做所謂的特色什麼的共融那再來就是說我們也沒有相關的指引所以變成說落差品質也差異很大尤其在圍管的部分差異也非常大那再來剛剛可以看到六都集合了八成的特色公園可是事實上六都只集合了七成的小孩 |
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等於是說在一些縣市的政府他其實因為受限於可能財政或是他可能找不到資源等等的他的兒童遊戲權就相對被剝奪了 |
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所以我想要跟部長來請教就是說我們有沒有可能參照公園綠地系統規劃的這個設計參考手冊我們來做一個公園的一個相關的規劃設計參考手冊給我們的縣市更清楚的指引跟方向讓他們可以做出更符合兒童身心發展的特色公園呢 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢我相信委員非常照顧我們台灣的這些兒童尤其他們身心發展那特色公園在我們內政部所主導的就是它的土地硬體的部分 |
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軟體的部分像您所說的小孩子你要多高好的身材或是用什麼樣方式能夠讓小孩子在一個安全無虞的環境之下能夠有油氣的空間那就變成內政部要跟衛福部共同來討論就像您剛所說的你推出的公園如果太高那看起來是小孩子沒有辦法攀爬得到的 |
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委員會主席 |
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所以訂定一個基準很簡單的基準包括您剛所提到的內政部營建署所提到的這個特色公園這個操作手冊如果未來可以合乎更多我們所謂的這個特色公園然後可以讓我們更多的小朋友或是兒童能夠在裡面更符合他們身心發展的部分的話我們會來配合著改進跟檢討 |
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內政部國土管理署組織法第2條有講到國土區域及地方都市計劃政策制度的規劃跟推動都市計劃裡面就包含兒童遊戲場所以希望這個部分今天也非常高興部長願意一起來我們來制定相關的手冊其實我要講的是我們不是要告訴他們 |
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王森山委員質詢 |
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消防弟兄的安全 |
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現在包括屏東大火開始其實我們都發現一個問題就是我們的設備可能不夠我們的教育訓練可能也需要加強但是現場的狀況更是消防員最深的痛也就是說當他出門的時候他其實不知道他將面對什麼樣的地方 |
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那以及我們在臺北市我們希望能夠打通所有的關節也就是在消防員他出門的時候他應該知道這個地方有沒有違建這個地方有沒有危險物品這個地方裡面他的配置甚至圖說長什麼樣部長現在我們做到了嗎 |
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跟黃委員報告我們確實現在還沒有一步到位也就是說消防弟兄出門他不知道那個工廠裡面有沒有危險物品這個最基本的data可能都沒有那麼完整跟委員報告一下應該是說我們在這個所有的資訊要在那一瞬間報案的時候就要馬上匯集起來 |
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委員會主席 |
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同步的去指揮我即將出發的這條路然後鼓勵旁邊甚至旁邊的通報甚至到民政系統說這旁邊有什麼狀況我覺得這都很需要互相的連結我們會來努力 因為我們做過智慧派遣系統這個其實是有一部分都已經納進去只要打通各單位的關節如果不行的話請書發部幫忙 |
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委員會主席 |
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同意委員剛的說法打通任督二脈讓消防隊員尤其是第一線的他們不至於因為資訊落差而再度喪命我們會跟各縣市地方政府來合作多花點錢把這些系統打通他其實都散落在各單位各個圖都在每個單位但是從來沒有一個地方幫他匯集交給第一線的消防人員這是第一點謝謝部長那我第二個問題一樣就是回到 |
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主席 |
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政府用了非常非常多的管道希望能夠達到租屋市場透明化但事實上目前現有的規範只有大概仲介業者還有包租業者可能需要做租屋的實價登錄大部分的一般的房東其實應該沒有人在做實價登錄 |
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這個問題一直存在這也是所有的租屋客包括現在的年輕人他們去租屋他會碰到兩件事第一個不准簽戶口第二個不准申請租金補貼部長這是我們大家都知道的事我了解這方面的問題剛所提到像包租代管的部分如果我們跟仲介業者可以做很好的溝通的話就比較沒有太大的問題 |
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主席 |
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實價登錄可能某個程度要更進一步黃委員我們有同仁會跟您補充報告我們現在的內政部的租金補貼都沒有去做實價登錄對嗎我們自己付了錢我們也不做實價登錄對嗎如果我們自己的部長我們自己的給人家的錢我們都知道他在出租但是我們也不做實價登錄這是怎麼回事呢 |
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這才是問題啊所以部長你的同仁我不知道跟你講什麼今天要告訴你的就是如果政府對自己的政策都不推行政府對自己在做的租金補貼都不讓他做實價登錄不要告訴我說你們想要消滅租屋黑市第二個部分這個部分很清楚 |
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將來要消滅所謂的租屋黑市有兩個第一個實價登錄第二個某個程度我們也希望給房東一個空間如果你來報販我現在也收不到你的稅你來主動申報的話我們可以給你一部分的所謂的租稅的減免也許他們才會願意露出來這兩件事情我們都會繼續來追蹤部長你上任之後居住正義的政策好嗎 |
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14622.032 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
蔡奕宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14652.666 |
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14667.675 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請部長部長先恭喜吼那你就任我們內政部那過去跟你有兩屆的在立法院當任同事那 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14668.53 |
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14692.288 |
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我想你就任後大概面對最近就是最大的這樣的一個集會遊行就是我們知道這幾天的青鳥行動那依你這樣的一個觀察青鳥的這樣的一個行動那是不是算是一個非常和平而且是訴求明確的而且事實上依你們在整個在旁邊觀察 |
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14695.558 |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14712.518 |
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14712.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
委員會主席 |
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14743.219 |
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運動上面我覺得非常的值得鼓勵尤其他取名叫做青鳥這個青鳥一開始是說因為青島東路因為說如果我在一些演算法我打青島說我的流量會被調降所以他們就刻意把這個島打成鳥就變成青鳥事實上這個青鳥他在比利時他是一個寓言故事 |
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14769.195 |
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14792.907 |
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這個預言故事代表什麼意思?就是說這些青鳥他代表的就是幸福跟希望那比利時的一個預言說那過去有一對兄妹這個兄妹他就一直覺得說我只要找到青鳥我就可以找到他自己的幸福跟希望所以他們就翻山越嶺爬山涉水千里迢迢去找找不到 |
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找不到青鳥這對這對兄妹就很失望然後他就回到家裡回到家裡才發現哇青鳥就是自己的家裡啦在家裡然後才發現哇幸福就在身邊可是他自己家裡的身邊的一個家人都老了因為他們去找青鳥花了好多的時間我覺得這個預言就代表著我們看到這對兄妹這個兄應該叫做國民黨 |
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就是在自己臺灣的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
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所以我們看到年輕人用輕巧行動展現他們對於整個公共政策的形成過程可以展現人民的聲音展現不同的意見這個我們要去珍惜他們我講這個意思是說我看到的這幾天年輕人在網路上運用他們的創作 |
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感動很多人我覺得然後用這個青鳥的這個預言我們也希望國民黨民眾黨可以像這個兄妹一樣他們要知道真正幸福就是自己的家裡所以就回來台灣 讓台灣更好所以我們內政委員會未來可能會討論很多的法案包括不再計投票是不是涉及到了中國包括討論到中配的年限的問題 |
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14901.328 |
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要比照外配,但是這中間要如何避免有國安的疑慮。 |
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所以部長我跟你講就是說你未來你就會面對很多的挑戰我剛剛只是列舉了兩個我知道因為你身為內政部你要掌管的事情這麼多但是我覺得堅守我們顧好台灣讓我們的年輕人可以幸福發展這才是我們的目標好不好 |
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好 我想委員講得非常的正確 青鳥行動就像您剛所提到的這個預言的部分那其實我也非常感動的部分就是說 除了台北市的現場以外 其他的外縣市不管是在公共場合裡面 他們所表達出來不管是透過網路的表達 你會發現到他們勇於發出他們的聲音 |
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14962.034 |
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14964.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
親友行動就是說我們一代大家都是勇敢大家可以跟意見說出來而且他們在 |
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行動的過程展現他們對和平的一個堅持我覺得這個行動很成功我們也希望我們自己立法院你現在在行政機關我們在立法院我們要展現我們如何保護好台灣的這個決心給我們下一代看好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝蔡易委員質詢謝謝部長謝謝繼續我們請徐富奎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
15015.946 |
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15031.125 |
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謝謝主席：有請劉部長部長午安過去部長走進立法院是用立法委員的身份那今天是恭喜我們是用內政部長的身份來來參加我們今天的業務報告 |
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15032.566 |
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15047.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
那當然昨天立法院通過了這個新的那個知選新司法的一個修正條文我想這個未來部長跟我們很多部會首長一樣要面臨很大的一個挑戰那尤其內政部 |
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15076.658 |
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第一大步我們的業務真的非常非常的繁重那也是很多我們的立委關注的一個焦點那在這邊我想依部長過去的歷練我都認為部長可以升任沒有問題在這邊也希望我們內政部的同仁大家多加油那這邊我有幾個問題要就教於部長部長我想這個剛剛很多的立委都提到一個居住的一個正義的一個議題那尤其這個 |
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15101.153 |
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去年的選舉的時候今年的選舉的時候我想有很多人都批評說因為民進黨執政時期這個住宅政策的不當造成我們年輕選票的一個流失那但是相對性對於很多的這個建商的來講他們也是怨聲連連因為我們的營建成本的提升我們的土地的一個價值的提升 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
委員會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
15117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
15137.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
謝謝許委員的關心我想政府對於高房價尤其是面對這個年輕族群裡面他們會認為說高房價給他們生活上或是在就業上或就職上的壓力很大那我們一定要面對它來處理那除了延續我們原來蔡總統所說的社會住宅的政策比如說社會住宅有繼續興建 |
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15139.368 |
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15143.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
社宅包租代管租金補貼能夠普及在全台灣的這些弱勢的包括年輕族群或是弱勢戶也必須要接受以外如何來抑制房價 |
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15154.116 |
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15154.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15172.236 |
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15191.075 |
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就是以新加坡他們的這個房價的方式新加坡呢他們不是只有這個所謂的這個所有權或者是居住權等等他們還有其他的方式可以確定年輕的族群呢利用這樣子的一個組合屋或租屋的政策讓他可以在某一個就業的地區或是他成長的地區能常住久安那這個部分呢我們內部正在做檢討 |
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15196.34 |
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15202.824 |
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就是未來我們推出的社宅政策的部分呢能夠朝著以加惠我們青年世代裡面能夠在他的這個薪水的範圍內合理的付出他的房價房租也好或者是購屋等等這些才是我們要做的重點如果我們沒有推出這樣子的重點的話呢房價只會越炒越高 |
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15220.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
15237.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15238.943 |
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部長謝謝因為過去在我們攀前縣長的任內那當然我們把很多的公共設施完善之後 |
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15280.977 |
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那我們這邊也爭取到我們在屏東市跟潮州有分別設置了兩處的一個社會住宅目前都在興建當中那未來可不可能再包含我們像東港啦恆春這些地區能不能再盤點由我們內政部這邊再協助屏東縣政府來增加我們社會住宅的一個能量 |
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15281.377 |
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15304.329 |
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是先跟徐委員報告目前我手頭上這邊看到了就屏東縣的部分在住住中心要興辦的有臺棠的椰林學院還有光春好市還有瑞屏安居在潮州那您剛所提到這兩個地點的我們來盤點如果有適當的土地有需求的話還有有需求這樣子的必須要的這個住戶的話我們會朝著這方面來處理 |
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15328.525 |
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因為我想未來我們目前看到的狀況就是我們整個在產業的發展整個農業很多年輕家人都要做生意但他們現在相對面對就是一個高房價一個壓力所以這部分我們要共同來努力那我想另外一個問題就是針對一個先進的城市污水處理是必須的一個重點但是屏東縣的現在目前污水處理廠的 |
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15329.989 |
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15356.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
普及率還是倒數我們全國第8名那這部分我們內政部怎麼來協助屏東縣政府根文報告其實我們都陸陸續續有在和這個屏東縣市的這個屏東他縣還有鄉鎮的這個無水下水道計畫我想這個部分我們都會找縣府持續的談就看他有意願往哪個方向做我們就接續的就往那個方向去補助我想我們要努力啊因為過去的媒體有報導 |
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15357.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
麻煩我們共同的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15386.099 |
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15387.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
徐福奎委員 林國成 羅庭惟主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15411.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15426.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
部長好 部長也是大學姊聽聞您在您的選區對龍眷非常的照顧對金光教育非常關心所以未來有很多事情想跟你繼續探討也希望我們一起加油那首先我當然要先表達我的立場 |
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15427.607 |
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15450.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
原本要問部長您支持組工會、消防組工會但我想我們自己的立場先讓您知道我個人是全力來積極的來協助我們消防員組工會當然有些委員在詢問這個治安專章何時出來有些人會覺得要把它列入治安法那我想過程中都可以再繼續討論但是我要再提醒 |
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15451.485 |
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15472.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
每一天的討論所消耗的時間都有可能有下一個消防員受難所以我希望時間能夠加快加速這一點可以認同嗎是我們消防法的職安專章會按照原來未還委員會所要求的部分送到大院來審議那剛剛我在回答很多委員的講法的時候也是一樣 |
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15473.607 |
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15497.153 |
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不管是放在職安法或是消防職安專章我們希望裡面所討論能夠符合現在我們消防員所需要的職業安全衛生上面所需要達到的標準我想法律層面當然一體都會適用不管是放在職安專章或者是所謂的職安法但是問題是有沒有切中要點那當然大家都很害怕有很多縣市會說就是所謂的罷工那我們想 |
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15512.616 |
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他們在主抽組工會當然真的只是為了罷工嗎?我想有更多層面的是為了自己的職業安全以及相關的設備能力希望能夠透過工會的方式來做爭取 |
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15535.428 |
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所以我想不單單居就於所謂的會不會罷工而是我們能不能把他們罷工以外的能夠在他們在職業安全上能夠彌補能夠讓他們更加安心來進入每一場救災救難的任務當中我想這個部分您好像也有回答前幾天也有透過溝通有去彙整一些意見是嗎 |
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是 我想羅委員的觀察非常的正確就是無論有沒有組工會這件事情無法一步就到位但是呢組工會之前我們必須要先保障消防員基本的安全權益或者他們勞動上面的基本的權益的話我們會跟這些希望組工會的這個基層消防員弟兄們的保持溝通那同時我們也必須要考慮因為每一個縣市政府在主導 |
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15560.509 |
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15577.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
因為那個消防的業務也是縣市地方政府要主導的部分他們的看法也許跟這些基層的消防員還不太相同那我們也必須要顧慮到他們在主導尤其在我們地方製度法裡面他們是主管機關我們也必須要考慮他們的立場所以我剛才說他不是一步到位 |
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主公會可能最後是最後目標但這過程當中積極並且能夠多方探討然後先行幫他們把這些不管是設備能力或者是職安的SOP更加的訂定更好讓他們更安心的出勤讓我們在這個逐步過程當中能夠達到目標為主相關的軟硬體我們要來努力也請委員多多支持第二個我想跟你探討的是這個所謂的緊勤加擠繁重加擠您有掌握目前的繁重加擠的部分嗎 |
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臺東市警民比一參考基準應該是1比350 |
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15631.952 |
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截至今年4月警民比是1比453台中市對比去年的5月是1比444不減反增所以我簡單的要求可以幫我們補足台中的員警能力嗎 |
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15650.59 |
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15671.989 |
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我們會做滾動式的檢討這個回答我想我們都聽多了但是我要跟大家特別報告如果台北市的目前警民比部長是1比342有繁重加擠那為什麼現在1比453的台中沒有繁重加擠第二 |
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不要忘記這背後的數字代表的是什麼我們的員額比較少我們的市民比較多那為什麼我們不能夠所謂的繁重加擠在台中也能夠達到一倍部長這部分能夠幫我們研議嗎 |
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15688.047 |
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15699.074 |
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提升了這個狀況大概就是跟繁重加級起來大概一倍那我們對於繁重加級大概有7項的這個評比方式只要是臺中市政府的這個的財政如果說是沒有問題我們也樂觀其成 |
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15715.245 |
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15721.372 |
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我想趕快做一個相關的探討會後什麼時候可以給我資料我們現在缺額現在有6277人缺額282人缺額率是4.296都第二低什麼時候可以給我回應 |
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15732.267 |
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15748.572 |
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臺中市南區文曉38設宅2022年你們有說要蓋一個江川設宅請問現在最新的進度臺中市南區有沒有要興建社會住宅蓋在哪裡文曉38有造成一些爭議當地的住戶不一定希望有沒有備案 |
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15749.554 |
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15755.321 |
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跟委員報告 我想會後我們會把最新的狀況跟您回報好 麻煩你把最後的資料給我 謝謝 |
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15772.662 |
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15773.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
第一部分我們最近有來修一個地制法第33條 |
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15792.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
委員會主席 |
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15810.21 |
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15838.115 |
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會有平地原住民的議員以及山地原住民的議員可是呢在我們的縣市部分卻忘記了這個沒有山地鄉的山地原住民他們選不出他們的山地議員所以很高興在這一次我們很多都有提案那目前呢也已經審訊那我只是要提到說這個部分另外在我們的地質法 |
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15838.795 |
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15838.975 |
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內政部部長 |
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15859.753 |
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15874.967 |
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因為很多人在詢問我們也不知道要怎麼提供比較正確的訊息所以是不是可以綜合各版的內容提出的修正文字跟試算可不可以到辦公室來給我一份謝謝委員的關心這個沒有問題我們也知道說有關地質法33條的部分即將要進入黨團的協商 |
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15881.713 |
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15908.092 |
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綜合各家委員的意見 第一個我們要保障山地原住民不管有沒有山地鄉山地聚落他們本身有參政權這是一個再來就是總額的計算人口的規範是不是可以往下調降這個我們也列入考慮同時我們在處理總額的時候所謂的原住民的不管是議員或是未來的鄉鎮代表在第一屆要 |
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15909.113 |
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15931.618 |
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修法通過以後能不能用過度式的方式不要讓他講說怎麼突然我的席次不見了這些的算法包括有加一個或是加兩個或是少一個或少兩個我們再把人口比例算清楚以後會跟委員做一個完整的報告那第二個部分也是跟修法有關我有去修才化法就是關於 |
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15932.958 |
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15935.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
原住民的鄉區曾經一度失去公法人地位 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15958.539 |
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15982.376 |
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但是在2014年我們又把地制法第83條之7修正回來恢復它的公法人地位但是有一些東西就落掉了齁因為裁員的部分我們直轄市改制前各該三地鄉前三年度課收入平均數導致我們這些直轄市的園區它的稅課收入呢驟降變零 |
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15983.777 |
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15984.938 |
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對 因為他的主政機關是在於我們的財稅單位 |
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16010.896 |
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16013.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
第三個部分想要請教因為我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
16031.778 |
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16058.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
特別感謝就是在非都土地使用管制規則復表裡面去納入了露營場讓小型露營場得以合法化但是我們也知道國土計劃法要上路就是要廢掉這個非都所以在這邊我就是想要說如果說一旦廢止是不是會回到國土計劃法那因為時間的關係我是想說到辦公室來說明好不好 |
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16062.199 |
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16079.735 |
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國路加上路以後原有合法的使用都可以繼續維持沒有動那很多落在國土保育區農業發展區的露營場大家也都抱著遲疑能不能持續經營那相關的執法他的一個目前輔導方向都來跟我做說明好不好 |
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16080.356 |
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16093.843 |
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好 謝謝那另外就是那個宗教團體以自然人民益的部分我聽到很多很多都是跟我說來不及啦我想部長您應該也很清楚所以我是聽到說應該會延長對吧但是我要問另外一個問題就是當時我們元寶地 |
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16102.079 |
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16129.454 |
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我們的這些教會他當時沒有一起處理進去可是你們那時候告訴我們說要在我們的元寶條例去處理阿我們元寶條例現在也不知道什麼時候所以我想要請教部長這個部分你們會打算怎麼處理我想如果這是宗教團體的話就可以納入我們剛剛所說的齁那個在延長上面看怎麼樣做比較好的輔導規範對我知道會延長我講的是元寶地因為我們沒有被納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
16132.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
16133.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
冰葬量能提升計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
16148.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
16174.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
上一屆一進來我有講原住民好不容易可以接受從室內帳改為室外土帳現在又要接受火化放靈骨塔那我要講的是那個時候我說這個經費現在原鄉要搶都搶不到編的太少所以後來有編了111到114好了那這一屆我也要問因為現在來問的都說到114的都已經匡網了請問會不會延續擴編 |
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16178.411 |
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16181.595 |
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對於原住民這樣子的殯葬設施其實它不是納古塔應該只是一個牆我們會支持會繼續擴編嗎擴編我不敢講但是會繼續支持因為部長您知道嗎 |
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16193.531 |
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16216.962 |
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現在來講的都說到114年沒有了沒有空間了就是他完成程序譬如說原民的部落還有到原民會同意的話那內政部會來支持好謝謝那那個警政署的就給我報告就好因為我想要問進度因為警政署我一開始本來一直說希望你們設原專班後來謝謝你們告訴我說可以提高那之前呢是給我提高到3.6662啦 |
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16220.243 |
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16220.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
主席 |
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16236.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
16253.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
當時警政署是願意放在我們一般警察徵社一個原名但是考選部本來是說尊重啦但是他們是比較建議要放在國家考試的一個原名特考裡面好都沒有關係署長我只想知道到底最後拍板定案要快 |
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16254.974 |
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16255.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
楊瓊英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
16282.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
16283.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
蕭主席蕭主席蕭主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
16304.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
16333.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
本期要跟你討論的是5月27號新竹市這一個住宅大樓的這個問題那據聞是因為電纜線管線的這個問題那我們真的不忍心喔我們消防員呢上樓受救那當然難過的是兩名的消防員發生了這樣的事情因為他下樓下樓的過程那據他們協會所說的是當他們下去的時候 |
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16336.914 |
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16351.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
因為有毒菸所以在這樣的情況之下我們的消防人員在這麼困難的環境當中出現這樣的問題我想有幾件事情可以去討論 |
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16353.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
16354.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
專業單位調查大樓消防與預警系統相關疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
16366.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
16391.875 |
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保命壺就是他們的氧氣瓶,他的氧氣量,很多的消防隊員跟我講,老舊的10公斤,很重的,他們清洗衣服就一定很重的,又賣10公斤,而且那個量還很少,現在科技進步,很輕3公斤,他的量又可以增加,所以我們是不是應該去檢視一下, |
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16393.576 |
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16404.173 |
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全國目前我們的量到底夠不夠還有在整個SOP流程當中我們的這個氧氣瓶 |
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16405.854 |
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16429.867 |
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有新的科技我們應該要預算要支持啊你叫他已經整個身體就已經10公斤了而且這麼熱我看我們的消防人員喔沒有要拿起來面罩拿起來 衣服拿起來 全身都淋上去我真的看得心都在淌血所以我真的具體建議我們的消防人員的設備保命的至少連那個他們的氧氣瓶 |
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16434.386 |
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16438.228 |
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目前的空氣品的量是以6.8公升這個量來處理那差不多6.9公斤這個量我們現在很多都已經改成FRP的氣瓶 |
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16462.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
16463.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
各種的台灣如果需要的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
16482.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
16484.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
已經合定了已經合定了 |
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16512.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
16513.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
總共有19億的經費要針對各莊 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
16517.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
16521.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
部長我請你做整體的一個研討去盤查一下這一個說明這要給本席第二個我們的人進去伸手不見五指我就去上一樓那我們現在科技 |
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16546.323 |
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16553.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
我完全同意楊委員所說的部分用什麼樣的科技的方式來協助救災趕快去預算給消防署然後趕快去研擬 |
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16572.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
16578.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
因為法會那天是我從政以來一直跟我站在一起我也跟他們站在一起 |
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16579.99 |
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16596.943 |
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這個我們是城市的英雄我們一定要好好照顧好不好那你那個專案第一個科技要怎麼做第二個他們的裝備要怎麼去調整那你書面資料給本席第二個議題探會的問題部長你剛上任現在我們講現在我們講營造業不動產大家都好緊張 |
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16606.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
16606.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
〔記者訪問〕 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
16627.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
16628.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
16650.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
你現在告訴我說影響的成本只有0.9%不會影響不可能的事情我告訴你沒關係我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
16667.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
16672.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
現在你們呼籲業者不要以攤位徵收為原則來分台物價這個是對的但是我們的理事長告訴我們金融碳排他們負責任的業者自己去找找什麼東西呢?他們去找喔找針對於綠建築標章他們趕快去找配對混凝土配對要怎麼減碳 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
16690.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
16695.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
他們業者很負責任所以這個加上來大概會是營業成本的兩成你們說的只有0.9部長差距那麼大所以本席要請部長你提出的攤配影響建築成本小為1這個數字跟實際上我們的業者是兜不起來的而且影響甚大差距很大我請你也跟他們座談一下 |
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16717.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
16728.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
我們是不是也來座談一下因為有為的政府是你的政策你的數字是讓執行者可以執行你同意這個論點嗎完全同意好不好不然我們打一個時間我們來研討一下我們要開類似這樣子的一個研討會讓建築研究所跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
16737.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
16738.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
主席主席 |
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16758.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
16764.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
我們馬上來處理馬上來安排馬上來安排我再一個議題給他就好30秒就好我知道謝謝都更的優惠因為部長新到喔部長都更事業的優惠貸款從2006年1月份上路你是2000億18年來只有幾件59件 |
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16784.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16789.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
金額最後一次申請2012年是526.47億而且是銀行貸自由資金所以部長這個功課給你為什麼你有都更的優惠貸款高達2000億但是沒有人要給你申請你去討論 |
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16805.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16808.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
為什麼有錢人家不要給你申請?原因在哪裡?好不好來協助業者嘛好不好好不好部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16821.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16822.444 |
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蘇清泉 何欣淳 鍾嘉斌黃仁 林德福李坤澤 吳祁銘 |
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16854.93 |
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委員長安 |
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16901.406 |
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市長早市長5月26號我們的高層呃呃高層樓的火警齁啊造成兩個齁不幸的罹難的我們的警消人員啊其實齁我看了齁這應該不應該發生啦因為你你整整棟大樓你那個大樓齁他那個高樓高樓層嘛他好像22樓但是你高樓層的火警還不至於說兩個我們的罹難的我們的兄弟齁 |
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進去裡面那你氧氣不足那造成這個困擾那你現場的指揮官你現場指揮官你要負起這個責任我剛才聽部長講說很多我們的新竹市是一個密集的都市裡面我們的救援支援的車輛支援的分隊會很多那你現場指揮官你就要負起這個責任 |
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因為我也是義消的大隊長我幹了義消二三十年我們都很了解大樓不應該發生這種事情你說一般的工廠那工廠有氣體有危險物有鐵皮 |
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委員會主席 |
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16958.784 |
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發言委員：完整會議發言委員：完整會議 |
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16976.3 |
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我們每個分隊都要消防設備的檢修申報你裡面的配置圖配置圖你現場指揮官你都要很了解這一棟大樓的現場的配置起火點是從幾樓哪一戶你都要很充實的去了解掌握那你現場指揮官是在幹什麼所以署長這都是我們要撫起這個責任 |
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17026.304 |
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感謝委員關心事實上這次火警我們當天就啟動災害調查會那災害調查會會從整個建築物的消防區有沒有啟動那防火管理還有防火區化有沒有處理這個可以調查那委員關心救災人員跟指揮這個體系也是我們另外一個調查重點會把為什麼人員進去那進去的狀況到底發生什麼問題 |
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17027.484 |
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17044.939 |
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指揮官在這個過程當中怎麼指揮怎麼管理包括剛才委員催省的空氣品的量量的問題是不是有充分的處理由我們部的政事來主持會逐次的逐個現場來做一個勘察做了解 |
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17045.459 |
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科技的救災每個縣市特別配置四部 |
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17064.494 |
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同時我們現在是還有22個計劃正在院都合訂了包括上禮拜院長特別合訂個人的裝備的不足我們有19億的經費讓縣市來針對個人裝備 |
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看怎麼調配 那這個調配就是因應每一個縣市的需求狀況來做因應處理跟調整 其中五地整個在救災裝備器材還有車輛 目前都已經在這裏了這裏就是說管區到底需要什麼 他們最清楚 但是我們的經費是已經到位 |
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經費到位吼你說吼好我們現在的經費吼都編制我們的無人機嘛吼還有機器人嘛但是你大樓你有樓梯間吼你機器人你到了上面但是還是有點笨重嘛吼你說 |
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委員長 |
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主席 |
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17162.097 |
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17162.257 |
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現場指揮官． |
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17180.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
17180.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
向委員報告 |
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現場的救災指揮車通訊車那個通訊指揮車專攻 |
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17218.168 |
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因為我的時間有限 |
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17242.551 |
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17243.191 |
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我先請警政署署長 |
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17262.162 |
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17264.705 |
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有請警政署的張署長 |
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17280.104 |
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17284.287 |
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打炸的問題這是不管說我們執政黨也好 不管說全國人民 大家都是非常痛恨這個打炸所以打炸你今天跟接任我們的警政署署長 未來你要怎樣去推動包括化部會的整合 |
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委員會主席 |
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17336.566 |
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委員報告其實打造這個工作不光是只有內政部包括有通傳會還有這些金管會還有這些數位部法務部那我們現在打造的事法已經送到院方這邊來了希望這個法源能夠趕快通過之後讓這個源頭這些上架的這一些的 |
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打擊的面的部分我們會更精準的打擊那這是我上任最首要工作就是要打仗 |
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17375.936 |
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好 謝謝我們期待署長到時候我們也會在立法院前面來幫助來協助你趕快成立你採用實名制才能真正的好職不然大家是全國大家都最痛快謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝我們期待 謝謝好 跟周委我們兩位都是非常支持的謝謝 謝謝署長 謝謝 |
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國土署署長 |
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17416.409 |
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那因為我們的交通商網一直對兒少事實上是最大殺傷力那台灣又是少子化我們的出生率已經到0.78那我們看整個的數據來看的話 |
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委員會主席 |
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17441.516 |
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17443.077 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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17470.956 |
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主席 |
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17489.546 |
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17513.859 |
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這個我想問的你去核定了418件約大概56億的一個經費目前改善成果有沒有掌握因為去年執行那今天照理來講應該是執行完畢了應該跟委員報告其實大多數都完工那我們通常是這樣會做一件事情就是說完以後我們會請地方政府就它所改善的項目 |
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17531.645 |
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再做一年的監測,就是說你這一年的車禍發生的狀態車禍的肇事率、樣態跟之前有沒有改善我們就開始做這樣的一個,因為這樣才能確認所以它今年會是一個很重要的測試期 |
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17533.435 |
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各位報告就我們從之前的這個一朝四入口的改善那邊就給激一個經驗本來就有個指標是一改善一朝四入口可是現在事實上是針對校園周邊的話你們事實上是讓學校自己提出來學校就不是懂交通的人然後提出來的那我不知道你這418件的核定事實上是懂交通的人提出來還是說他們是看傷亡 |
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17570.31 |
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有針對於我們的道安資訊平台裏邊的分析出來的熱點然後針對這個熱點然後去做那我要改善這個我們的街道裏邊那可能讓孩子有更好的通學環境有嗎 |
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17586.961 |
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17587.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
李慧琼議員 |
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17605.896 |
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17606.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
委員會主席 |
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17623.258 |
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17652.311 |
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可以什麼時候給我這些相關的資料好 我們應該會後應該很快就可以統計出來給不過也是我們會持續要求就是說就像委員所講不能只做學校周圍那一段而是應該要延伸應該是通學環境所以當初新南交通安全設施條例也是本來我們是希望訂在法條裡邊最後事實上是用我們的說明來講那我們還是期待你要特別去注意到 |
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主席 |
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17663.359 |
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17663.479 |
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韓國、日本 |
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17707.611 |
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可不可以先以學校周遭150公尺的範圍來打造上放學的環境未來我們當然期待是到韓國那最終走到日本是500那這邊都有一些比較配套的我覺得也請署長這邊看一下就是說關護欄照明這些都是一個很大的問題彰化那個三個姐弟發生的就是因為 |
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17727.74 |
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登關的問題 使得他們在通學的時候 比較是有一定的困難那你剛剛講說有通盤掌握那有沒有看到人家寫的你們原本這個上邊的圖是他當初送給你的計畫說要這樣改善結果改善成什麼 |
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17728.14 |
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地方政府還是按照他自己的改善啊完全沒有按照他當初給你們圖面改善的啊就現在有民眾揭發了這件事情那所以我剛剛前面問說有沒有掌握那如果有掌握的話不會發生這種那人家只丟一件搞不好是五件十件都不知道你那前面的四百多件是不是也是有類似的狀況所以請國土署這邊要充分掌握下一頁最後就是我還是主張行人周遭的環境讓孩子給一條通學環境安全的路為什麼 |
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國中是小學的兩倍那我們大概沒有一個家庭經得起說孩子到高中階段的時候死傷 |
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請吳處長辛苦一點,謝謝林月琴委員 |
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17805.202 |
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17814.289 |
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林俊憲、林俊憲、林俊憲委員不在、鄭振前、鄭振前、鄭振前委員不在、林柱英、林柱英、林柱英委員不在、林健琦委員質詢 |
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17825.486 |
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17831.85 |
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國民黨立法委員林倩琦,住在您過去高雄的選區。我本身也是原住民阿美族。我要講的因為是待會我會關心的一些議題,會要在這邊跟您就教還有相關的這個單位。 |
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海洋國家公園和高雄市在管理的,這都是我待會整體的業務我先講一下主題,待會針對移民署,要幫移民署的一些基層人員請命接下來是海洋國家公園的這個區塊再來是原住民,當然包括宗教的護鎮等等 |
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移民署署長國家公園署 |
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17920.421 |
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好 謝謝那移民署的這個部分我是不是可以針對以下那個如果有需要相關的報告是不是請各單位就在一個月左右至少給我一個回應就是有關於我問的這個主題那如果有必要請進一步我們口頭做個溝通那第一個部分我幫移民署的基層人員請命這是我自己本身有一些經驗那我後來發現這個移民署在基層的人員人力不太足 |
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人力不足 |
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藝民署 |
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同學那雖然我在教文委員會那我也知道在教育的這個部分我們現在會面臨很多國際生那這個內政委員會在過去在前幾天其實也處理過也有相關的這個討論那在學生的部分其實還在學校那學生延伸出來未來的社會問題我有確定的目前這個行政院的平台還沒有注意到這一點 |
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移民署我相信已經直接第一線碰到了所以在基層能力的這個部分我先跟大家預告可能目前政策的走向還有方式上還沒有做一些處理的話這部分要先因應要不然未來我們的社會成本會很高 |
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未來還有大家剛才也都在講的詐騙的問題所以第一個我先幫基層的人力來做請命然後第二個是有關於他們的退休移民署這個部分的這個退休人力因為我覺得他們的工作跟警察有點相近但是他們也不在軍警銷的一個退休的這個機制上 |
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主席主席主席 |
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18045.387 |
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第二部分就是國家公園我本身比較關注國家公園油氣的這一塊 |
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國際公園保存 |
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這一段時間我們都關注到這個海洋我們現在有一個海洋國家公園嘛那應該業務上就是南方四島跟這個東沙環礁對不對那我今天想問的是說不知道你們在這個部分的這個油氣規劃有沒有相關的比較積極一點的資訊我直接問好了啦除了說南方四島要從澎湖去那可能有一些油氣的可能性那我知道東沙環礁這些我們可能都要搭重繁那有一些業者在 |
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跟委員報告東沙環礁現在並沒有開放一般人民可以去那所以也就是我們那個重型帆船直接開過去只要躲過你們的查緝我們就可以去了是這樣嗎因為我這邊常常收到相關的資訊我會這樣講是因為我也有想要開這船去那所以我想了解你們到底要怎麼辦因為很多業者基本上自己都在開去我也看了很久東沙沒有開放 |
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18135.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
18156.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
所以那你們要不要規劃一下因為畢竟大家都會在油氣的這個部分要不然你們是不是這個部分現在是這樣跟委員報告這個可能國安的部分他是有一些考慮這樣好了那個不好意思因為我後面幾個我就直接講所以東沙的部分是不是您可以在油氣的這個部分來跟我做一個主題上的溝通 |
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18157.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
18161.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
請問還有其他時機可以給我一個list目前在國家公園時機保存區這個規劃裡面在原住民的區域到底有哪些list跟內容 |
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18178.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
18192.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
第三個部分是你們都談SDGs還有ESGs那除了你們現在在報告裡面加了很多這個灌木橋木你們怎麼決定的然後在水下的部分你們怎麼處理跟委員報告這可能是一個探會的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
18196.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
18210.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
今天很多人談到碳費啦如果說是綠碳的話他是八大菱形的話您先不用解釋這個專業就是在跟我這邊做專業的報告可以嗎然後最後是中校的部分我這邊要提醒一下 |
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18212.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
18236.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
在原鄉地區我們看到很多大家知道原鄉地區的宗教比例但我們常常看到一些那個廟宇或者是救人在早上因為有聽到這個什麼國土署還有這個有關於相關的單位可能會給這個宗教的部分一些支持但是我們可能要談的是原鄉就是如果有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
18238.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
18238.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
18258.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
18259.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
提供文字資料給林倩琦委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
18288.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
18288.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
謝謝全體委員的諮詢,謝謝部長,謝謝各署長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
18291.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
18320.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
登記發言委員．除不在場者之外．其餘的都已經發言完畢．詢答結束委員．廖先祥．林俊憲．林登福．陳冠廷．所提的書面質詢．列入紀錄．刊登公報．書面質詢和未及答覆的部分．請相關單位在一週之內．以書面答覆並複製本會．本次的議程處理完畢．我們現在散會．我們先休息5分鐘．讓我們的議事人員．還有我休息一下．上個洗手間好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
18321.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
18322.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
待會就進行我們另外一個會議謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
18328.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
18329.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
18353.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
18353.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
18376.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
18377.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
主席 |