| IVOD_ID |
159588 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159588 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T10:13:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T10:24:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc0c5c8167b76e05871be2be2b26df085f9fcfba9c389d3a535cbf5781e8931119d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:14 - 10:24:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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主席有請主席長主席上請委員好主席長好 延續剛剛賴委員的議題我想我在總質詢裡有問過 到底追加預算可不可惜同一項目刪除掉 顯然沒有道理再追加預算剛剛好像要表示這個意見嘛 對不對 |
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因為總預算被刪減掉的部分追加預算有條件有部分是不符合如果說再追加的話那不是代表立法院刪錯了嗎 |
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另外一個部分站在一個可以解決問題的一個出發點來說應該現在先去處理的那些凍結的部分委員會可以凍結有多少那需要院會來解凍有多少主委長這個部分可能要先行去準備啦 |
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如果說在野黨有體會到現在的預算已經變成自愛難行的話想要透過追加預算或第二預備金來處理的話這也不是壞事對國家不是壞事他們願意承認錯誤過度刪減但是呢就現實上可處理的應該先進行解凍嘛主委長 |
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我們是要解凍因為我們1380億但是它解凍有的有條件那條件就是說你譬如說它解凍解70%它要用完30%才可以來我只是建議你去調整那個是很困難 |
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老實講人解凍的方式都很自愛難行那現在來說的話那現在發現金不又是另一種矛盾的現象嗎對不對所以我是覺得現階段都是站在一個過度刪減預算之後想要解套的一個心理狀況提出今天的這一個法案出來啦基本上這不是所謂的還稅移民啦 |
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這是在花現金救罷免不可諱言的這幾位提案人 當事人基本上都是被罷免的對象我覺得這個問題點在於說我們公聽會的時候在審查的時候居然沒有一個學者願意背書更何況連民眾黨的部分 |
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民眾黨的部分所找來的學者也反對更何況你去看 主席長你不覺得憂心嗎如果之前的刪減是錯誤的 凍結是錯誤的你看刪減的部分有高達多少我自己不然光計算是3683我不曉得對不對 這是第一第二個 財化法的部分是3753這把中央拿掉了錢第三個 你又要把現金發放常態化 |
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這不整個中央財政都掏空了嗎變成是三搶分啊組長 你擔不擔心啊 |
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事實上如果說財化法修正要減少3753這個部分我們可能在115年周邊的時候就會有發生困難因為我們有一些原來的業務應該要移撥給地方的部分沒有移撥而且移撥還要依照法律要修正法律才可以移撥所以這個後遺症不是今年而已還有明年甚至大後年延續下去 |
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就是如同你剛剛你之前回答本席的是說在院會當中所有的新興預算都不能處理嘛對不對新興預算不能處理是預算還沒有通過啦那是總預算那現在總預算已經公佈了總預算可以公佈那開始進行了對現在目前就是前瞻前瞻還沒有通過前瞻還沒有通過那如果是這樣子的話 |
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那有一些重大的這個超過一百億的部分的新興預算可以處理就如同本席所整理的這些那哪一些跟賴清德總統裡頭政見比較優先相關的新興計畫是不是應該優先處理那個主席長你有沒有去整理過 |
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這個部分目前其實我們是可以有三棟的一個部分大部分就是說譬如說像那個節能電器補助這個比較攸關民生的那我們還正新要50億元的這個部分還有那個健康台灣60億這個部分會先實行護理人力整變的這個部分要是有這幾個這都會先實行 |
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這個應該如果說預算有通過就可以執行那就是說有一些先進預算可以開始進行嘛那一些地方建設的部分以台南的先進運輸來說的話有沒有可能爭取得到第一期的南線的部分周遭預算的部分有沒有其他的這個方式可不可以進行 |
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這個部分是進行但是115年以後可能會影響到但是至少先進行嘛好不好可以弄的話今年先弄嘛不然的話台南這麼缺對不對捷運到現在六都當中就只有台南沒有捷運可不可以新型處理一下 |
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是可以 已經可以進行但是問題就是1155年可能會受到你不用再重複你先有的先有先求有啦再求多啦好不好請主席長費心一下啦那另外一部分呢其實今天會產生這個問題還是會回到一個問題啦也就是說這有關於這個預算這個 |
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編列的部分的失準我統計這五年當中失準的幅度一個是0.84一個是2.8相差蠻大主要是跟GDP的落差蠻多的這個落差的這種情況底下主要還是要放在這個稅計剩餘的部分嘛對不對除了法定的還債的部分是不是 |
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一般如果今年有那個他收入超過預算數那這個部分他本來要舉債的部分他就優先會減少就不去舉債第二個再來就是所謂的債務還本他就會還本數或者會增加還本那再來就是會變成如果有特別預算的可以抵調 |
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因為我們一般特別醫生都是取債就你現在講的數字來跟你核對一下今年像中央超徵的這個3757億嘛對不對債務還本208億嘛是不是減少取債的部分是157億嘛對不對對157億嘛所以總共實際上剩下是1978億嘛對不對 |
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大概剩下一千不到兩千啊剩下一千六百多你更少 你的估計更少一千六百多所以說也不夠一人一萬啊對不對而且呢 去年喔超徵所謂全國五千多億的情況底下也不過是16%而已所以也不到今天的法案的內容20%嘛所以說實際上你還完之後也不到三千億嘛不過你是用定額跟定率其實都蠻困難的嘛是不是 |
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所以一般大概一千六百多億他要經過審計部審定以後七月以後才會加入到稅計剩餘還要編列預算才可以對還要用編列預算到稅計剩餘嘛那稅計剩餘來說之前我們稅計剩餘高達七千零百四十四億嘛一一二年底的時候到去年的時候剩下一百五十八億嘛那我想請教你稅計剩餘到底多少才合理啊 |
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這個也不是說多少才合理稅計剩餘主要就是看當年度一個稅入稅出執行的情形如果剩餘再做累積啦我們並不會預估說一個哪一個多少還是看累積就是保留一個彈性啦比較好作用嘛你至少可以預估一下那如何避免未來啊 |
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這個錯估的現象的出現齁我看你們報告當中所寫的其實主要是銀索稅、重索稅還有包括證交稅這三個大幅成長的結果嘛以至於錯估嘛這個部分是不是要請財政部來說對財政部好那我們請那個次長來次長請次長請 |
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主要你們寫的原因是營業稅、眾所稅還有證交稅大幅成長而錯估嘛對不對最主要是營所稅跟這個證交稅這個成長的福利那營所稅造成證交稅增加是因為股利發放多所以會造成這個眾所稅增加證交稅大幅成長嘛是不是 |
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證交稅之所以大幅成長主要是高科技產業嘛對不對對因為他權值比較重嘛對所以是不是你們將來在估計這些收入面的部分稅收的部分要考慮的不是整體的景氣分析而已還要包括一個特定產業的分析啊 |
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是委員的意見非常好所以我們這一部分我們會加強來做好相關的預算的預測所以我們也成立這個相關的估測小組而且為外研究那另外我們也透過AI來處理希望將來的預測能夠這個時候什麼時候會預估會上路你這麼多改革的方法什麼時候目前都已經上路了 |
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都已經上路那什麼時候以後就可以避免了嗎希望115年我們115年能夠有更就是更精準更精準的避免類似這些數字的產生以至於又發現金的口號出現我跟委員報告就是但是雖然是這樣但是因為我們編預算的時候還有很多的變數因為我們從編預算到實行的時候我知道那個當然就不在你掌握之內你事先能掌握超出債券的先行處理嘛 |
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至少不要變有變數嘛 可不可以 次長對 你們從一百一十五年避免類似形式的產生的努力跟目標嘛好不好不要老是出現這種問題 連續四年了咧 好不好最後我再問一下主席長 主席長我還是讓你看一下 零四零三的部分當初行政院復原重建的計畫高達兩百八十五億光光復興的時候高達十六億之多啦 |
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然後同樣的這一個政災的租金補貼的部分當初用政災基金會那現在是用這一個住宅基金啦那相對而言0102的時候就少了非常的多啦主委長在這個部分你有沒有什麼辦法可以為台南這個災情來多做一些努力雙重建然後然後復原能夠復興報告委員這個部分像那個我們農業方面有一關那個那個叫做那個 |
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沒關係啦 主席坐一下啦你講那麼久我以前也沒有這樣子今天要控制一下有需要的經費這個部分台南市也有提出來申請我們也全力在協助說這個部分有相關的一個有教育部的預算有農業部的預算有文化部的預算有課委會的預算等等這些你應該都優先處理才對啦是是是這沒有道理在公共建設當初有所延誤啦 |
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所以我們很希望接下來行政院長下去的時候能夠帶實質的承諾下去然後在民間的部分的復興會員能夠加快腳步好不好這個部分他們會試劇去評估啦 |