| IVOD_ID |
159578 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159578 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T12:14:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T12:21:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc07d83984776c0d11e8313c4daf57d80ad1d241b1dc2f533053ab31a2dbb756f7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:03 - 12:21:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、行政院消費者保護處處長、財政部就「租賃住宅市場透明化之現況及展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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徐主席我請你劉部長劉部長有請還有副會員還有副稅署副稅署李立新副署長有請 |
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好兩位好我想部長今天大家都非常關心所謂的住宅政策尤其是租屋租屋市場裡面有很嚴重的問題就是我們現在的房客他有三大痛苦第一個痛苦是沒辦法入戶口第二個是沒有辦法申請租金補貼雖然法律上可以保障他不用經過房東同意第三個痛苦就是他沒有辦法去申報所謂的 |
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列舉扣除了 部長今天是很多的自由住宅房屋稅2.0必須要房東要設戶籍的最後一天接下去有非常非常多的房東因為他可能要有特殊的希望稅負可以減少所以他會把戶口簽到可能空出來但是實際上租給人家的這些房屋裡面內政部有沒有什麼對策 |
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向委員報告我們剛剛提到的第一個部分不能報戶口第二個不能申請租金補貼的部分那我們現在在租賃定型化契約裡面都規定用契約來規定所以房客問題是各位啊房客就是因為礙於不想搬家不想被趕走他也不會去檢舉所以你這個方法有跟沒有一樣 |
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所以部長 我想兩件事啦第一件事情 簽戶口這件事情大概目前也沒什麼解逐漸補貼 我們已經不需要相關的房東同意了第三個就是扣除了的列舉這個部分從相關的規範裡面看得出來有兩成的人不知道有五成的人不敢報 |
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其實你有這麼多的規定他為什麼還是不敢報因為他不想得罪他的房東就這麼簡單所以部長你認為我們給了這麼多為什麼還是會有黑市為什麼這個黑市沒有辦法往前走其實我們給了他很多的稅服優惠其實我們給了他租金補貼甚至他可以去把他的地價稅房屋稅甚至他的中所稅成為公益出租人都可以優惠你認為他們為什麼還是不願意來當公益出租人 |
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我先回一下好向委員報告一下有關於戶籍的部分的話如果搬遷後我要問你說他為什麼還是不願意來當公益出租人嗎應該還是我們知道大概普遍房東還是care稅的問題為什麼因為稅嘛講對了好部長還有建復稅署在現場我們給他的房屋稅優惠地價稅優惠中鎖稅的優惠都不足以讓他有誘因來成為公益出租人原因是什麼 |
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是因為他在將來交易房屋的時候的那個稅額才是真正他所care的第一個叫做房地合一稅房地合一稅他必須要在交易前六年沒有出租的行為另外一個是土地增值稅一生一次的自用住宅優惠他要在出售一年前沒有出租 |
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包括公益出租第三還有一生一物的出售前五年沒有提供營業使用或出租這兩個稅制是把所有的房東卡在那邊他不願意來成為公益出租人不願意讓他的房客去申請租金補貼最大的問題負稅署是吧因為我曾經出租過所以我交易的時候就喪失了所謂交易稅的優惠這才是大錢啊 |
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今天內政部如果真的要處理租屋黑市要處理租屋黑市的就是找財政部好好討論一下今天我們真的做了公益出租人我們在他交易的時候他也有一定的優惠現在為止沒有耶他到了公益出租人他沒有任何交易上的好處他為什麼要來當公益出租人部長你了解我的意思嗎我了解是 你要不要在麥克風前面講 |
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但是委員所垂詢的部分所以您社會部長你要跟財政部來好好商量這件事您大致上就是在強調有關於在稅賦上面對於公益出租人並沒有任何的好處那我們內政部要跟財政部來多做協調 |
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讓他知道說當公益出租人他有這樣的好處你要管的是國內的住宅市場你如果說服沒有辦法達到剛剛講的一些方式就不會有人理你的住宅政策你永遠解決不了租屋黑市部長這才是我的問題如果內政不是住宅法的主管機關租屋黑市是你的任務說服他們是政策的工具而已 |
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目標是我們要讓租屋黑市真正能夠揭開來它讓所有的房東都願意來當中醫出租人今天的問題是唷,我一個數字很有趣喔租金補貼121年度核定了27萬件他真正跑去申請租剛剛講的房屋稅、地價稅優惠的人只有11萬 |
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也就是說租姓補貼我們付了27萬戶結果只有11萬戶的人願意告訴政府說我是公益出租人我來減免我的房屋稅跟地價稅有一半以上的人連報都不願意報這才是問題我們的確我們已經不拿來查所得稅了他還是不願意報今天內政部要做的事財政部如果房地合一稅跟土地增值稅沒有處理的話我相信這個屋主會是永遠沒有辦法解決 |
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部長你們跟財政部是不是要開始至少現在從現在起要對租屋黑市的處理 |
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往前進一步報告委員其實我們有商量過有協調過這個部分但是財政部的立場跟內政部不太一樣是財政部永遠都不願意減稅所以你們的問題是你們要請院長出來變成你們的政策如果假設一個國家的政策兩個是相互矛盾的你這個政策永遠推不動 |
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矛盾的政策是永遠推不動的所以部長我希望一個月內告訴我們你們做了哪些努力第二個財政部永遠不願意減稅我相信但是很簡單你如果有公益出租人大家願意來做我相信中華民國是可以朝向朱惠勢可以慢慢的降稅委員不好意思那個一個月可能時間有點短可不可以讓我們多一點的時間來跟財政部這邊來做一個反應和討論那就兩個月 |
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報告委員那個五月的時候是報稅期那你如果現在對如果你現在現在匆忙說要做任何決定的話可能對於財政部也不是那麼完全我同意啦就是不管怎樣要開始做我們在盡量如果租屋業是這麼久了都用這麼多方法都沒有用你要去追根究柢最後的問題中益出租人在在中華民國政府的眼睛中到底是什麼好嗎 |
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兩個月給我一個初步的答案我沒有一定要你馬上有答案但是你至少要開始做三個月啦我沒有跟你那個argue這個時間我剛剛提到了就是說因為五月是報稅的這個熱季啊好三個月讓他能夠這兩個稅額必須要有一個檢查稅負馬上在五月六月做一個很大的更動的話對報稅人也是不是很公平沒有要現在做啊至少開始做好嗎三個月內我希望可以給本席一個完美的答覆好謝謝主席 |
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谢谢好谢谢黄三三 |