| IVOD_ID |
159563 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159563 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T11:32:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T11:43:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc0a61509e9444ac5d6be2be2b26df085f9e5f5281f5900dffbb2b7e68c96004cff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:52 - 11:43:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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兩位好我想主席長跟財政部在3月12號立法院否決了財化法復議案當天本席在質詢院長的時候院長手上說他有一個行政院的版本請問兩位你們看過行政院的版本了嗎 |
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院長手上那個版本你看過了沒沒有主席長你看過了沒我們有討論過有討論過你看過版本沒所以財政部也沒看過版本但是就在院長手上財政部次長沒看過版本 |
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沒有看過這個版本意思就是說院長拿了一個空包彈來立法院欺騙我們所有的委員嗎財務法的架構是有交換意見所以從頭到尾行政院到現在還沒有任何的版本所以院長說他有版本要跟立法院討論目前為止還是空談重點是我想問一下復議案到現在 |
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上個禮拜通過今天正式實施上個禮拜五正式公告今天開始115年的預算編列就在眼前我想問一下兩位尤其是主席長請問適用新法就應該按照新法來編列是嗎 |
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這個部分我們也有跟相關法規去請示過我在問你法律法律通過了要不要執行它生效是114年但是因為整個一個流程因為你還沒有編嘛所以你要編115年我沒有在問你114年嘛所以115年的預算正要編要怎麼編是用新法來編就要用新的財政收支劃分法來編是吧 |
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依照法律規定是不是這樣主計長是吧請問現在地方政府他的稅入有關中央這些統籌分配稅的金額跟相關的數字你主計處會不會預估給他們還是他們自己隨便亂編兩位沒有要回答我嗎 |
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統籌分配稅款是這樣的就是說在每一個會計年度之前的四個月它就要分配下去所以就114年度來講時間已經過了所以沒辦法再分配我沒有跟你講114我現在問你的115年現在地方政府正要開始編請問財政部他們要怎麼編那就前提就看我們財務法有沒有生效如果是有經過剛剛講了今天已經生效了 |
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已經公告了所以次長啊你現在在這裡他已經生效了不要再跟我講生不生效的問題假定我們的相關的黨團好啦我現在只問說地方政府是不是還要等到你們要去申請釋憲要去復印要去大罷免然後編兩套預算本啊一個是舊法的一個是新法的他是不是要編兩套預算 |
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版本才可以來因應接下去的預算編列尤其是到七月八月就要送到立法機關去審議啦財政部要不要告訴一下地方政府他們該怎麼辦 |
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基本上我剛才也跟委員報告過就是說目前當然已經生效但生效的前提就是說我現在就問你生效之後你們要不要照辦嘛不辦就說不辦不辦就說地方政府你編兩套一套是按照新法一套是按照舊法現在說清楚講明白如果沒有申請暫時處分也沒有釋憲的話當然一定要按照生效的所以現在是三月快三月底了 |
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四月五月你的如果会到几月预算编列不可能等到你们相关的如果发生了解所以时间点第二个地方政府现在到底有多少不知道财政部不想用新法来分配当然我知道你们只想去罢免重点是财政部你是行政机关次长你是重要的政务单位所以你们要告诉地方政府该怎么编吧 |
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基本上跟委員報告 基本上我們依法行政法通過了不執行就違法如果它已經正式生效 那當然我們一定要依法來執行至少不要再說如果 它今天就正式生效今天 現在你要不要告訴我一下地方政府該怎麼辦地方政府那一部分因為它是下一個會計年度的四個月之前我們才有分配法所以你要告訴他說依照新通過的法律去編列吧 |
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所以你是要告訴我說中央的主管機關可以告訴地方政府你不用按照新法去編列時間還沒到到時候再看看這個國家因為行政院這樣的態度因為行政院完全不想要把這個版本拿出來跟立法院討論因為行政院只想 |
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政黨繼續火車對撞繼續魚死網破讓國家停擺這才是我今天看到行政院的態度財政部從來沒有放棄繼續在修法我再說一下很好笑你們3月6號不是開了一個會然後我們跟你們調資料你知道國庫署打電話副議案通過之後國庫署打來說請問辦公室還要不要資料意思就是說副議案通過了立法委員 |
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要你們3月6號的所謂的徵詢會議資料已經不用提供了然後徵詢會議也沒有意義了 是嗎不會 我了解是沒有這種情況如果委員需要這個資料 那個會議記錄的話我們會後會提供 這沒有問題的是啊 所以他打電話來問我要不要資料要資料就是要資料第二個 你們的所謂的徵詢會議開了多少次啊 |
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我們現在開了三次已經開了第三次從去年到現在開過幾次啊開過三次只開過三次最近一次是3月6號是由組織長所以去年立法院叫你們去提版本到今年你們只開過三次徵詢會議問地方政府問了三次都沒有答案所以就不提版本是嗎 |
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我跟委員報告了 財政劃分法是我們中央跟地方財政收支劃分的我現在只想說 接下去115年的預算就在眼前我希望你一個月之內告訴我 告訴地方政府該怎麼編列你們要復業也好 你們要行政儲備也好 |
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明白的告訴大家第二個不要讓院長拿了一個假的版本在立法院說我手上就有版本如果一個連財政部連主計處都沒看過的版本然後院長在立法院公開的回答委員說我手上就是版本到今天為止我很希望看到那個版本結果連你們也沒看過我們也沒看過全世界都沒看過但是行政院說我有版本他不拿給我們 |
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只拿去外面宣講這是一個負責任的政府嗎拿去外面宣講不願意拿給要投附議票同不同意的立法委員來參考認為立法院一定不會通過如果你們有好的版本為什麼不爭取大家的支持這才是問題啊次長我給你一個月的時間115年的預算怎麼編要如何編接下來我想問一下主計長 |
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我們接下去賴信德總統說我們被美國點名了我們要達到GDP3%的國防預算如果按照計算的話我們3%將近要8000億現在國防支出大概是6000多億所以還要再續編1500億左右請問會提出特別預算會提出相關的這個裁員來源嗎 |
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這個部分我們就要看國防部他那個什麼時候會提我們是朝這個目標來進行還不知道什麼時候要提因為有時候就是說我縱使要維持百分之三我也沒辦法每一年都打百分之三所以今年不知道第二個如果要提這多提了一千五百億的話請問要舉債嗎 |
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目前原則上我們先規劃說是用累積剩餘來做我們目前 |
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你的主產快花光啦但是大概累積起來應該還有將近兩千多億可以用兩千多億可以用所以暫時不會舉債來編這個特別預算原則上希望不要舉債那如果非得舉債也是應該要舉債所以你同意我們現在大家都希望說超徵的金額要拿來補發現金那接下來去又編了這麼多可能要新增的預算請問你這個 |
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掌握國家財政調度的主計長你這個要怎麼調配啊所以我們不希望說限定說哪些預算裡面限定哪些哪些是限定所以我們就可以按優先順序來做排列來做調整以上好所以現在財政部還有一個問題就是計劃性補助款是財政部在預算裡面很重要的調節所謂地方差異的狀況來時間暫停我請 |
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所以財政部的計劃性補助款就像剛剛陳玉珍委員問的會不會有類似剛剛上述所言因為財化法的修正而有這樣子的差別待遇財政部據我了解計劃型的預算不是我們財政部這邊所以各單位來負責希望不要有任何所謂的差別待遇好嗎 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員的資訊下面請王世堅委員發言 |
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我們十一點五十開始發生變態 |