| IVOD_ID |
159547 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159547 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T10:45:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T10:51:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc0d7e543893d09335271db0abd93ed56f1e5f5281f5900dffbb9131942535bd7ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:23 - 10:51:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員賴士葆等17人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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蔡議員謝謝主席 那有請部長請進部 郭部長跟台電董事長台電曾董事長好 |
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從早上我們在討論的主要今天我們電業法等一下的修法有討論到整個台電它整個完整性那以及未來台電要面對的一個課題那當然大家也都有討論到電價這件事情當然這個電價就是因為我們之前要用一千億要來撥補台電那這個看來這個期待落空所以台電馬上要面對的就是 |
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這個有這個不足嘛有短掃可能要用其他的方式要不然要不早說我覺得事實上還是有一些財政手段 |
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也可以來解決台電的問題因為如果說行政院這一次就是要用1000億來面對台電的這個虧損那我想要把一些台電的一些負債的數據給部長你參考一下部長你可以看台電從105年的時候他每年的利息支出大概是180億 |
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那你一直看喔 到了111年的時候 它的利息支出 每年利息支出正式到了200億到了114年的時候 每年的利息支出 在我最右下的這一個 320億所以你可以想像 每一年台電就要面對320億利息沒有還本 |
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光歷史就這樣所以我要跟部長建議的就是說我們還是有財政手段尤其部長你本身就是一個企業家你知道說這個企業面對虧損的時候財政手段也是一個方式那自然要面對財政手段的時候我們再把它去看台電目前跟銀行舉借的未償還的金額類總共有5997這個97億元 |
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這是鏘銀行的鏘銀行的這個結構我再把它細分起來你看台銀就佔了2000億是佔了37%土地銀行是佔了430億輸出入銀行佔了230億其他在於飯工股又是有包括民營的部分和庫佔的比較多1100億所以我現在要補充說關鍵就在財政可以解決這個問題 |
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如果我們跟財政部大家坐下來講用財政手段難道不能用國庫舉債借給台電嗎 |
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報告委員台電來跟國庫借利息低先消米這些利息部長是這個命題我想委員在上一個會期就已經有指正過了那我們也充分的在考量所以我們經濟部可能會就我們現在這些舉債來發永續債所以我們如果發永續債我相信我們大概可以 |
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大概可以少掉這個40%的這個利息可以少40%嘛40%就很多了是40%的霸華業一年就少了一百多億所以謝謝委員當時的這個提醒然後你們再仔細去看因為我們的台灣銀行跟土地銀行跟輸出入銀行這三家銀行是百分之百的關股 |
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218.652 |
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238.405 |
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所以既然他百分之百關股 我們可以由這三家銀行來主導跟其他的民營銀行來跟他談判 請他們把利息降低如果不降低利息的話 我們就把他還掉還掉的話 他們會很難過的喔 這些民營銀行會很痛苦哇 利息不好啊 銀水的水又好 要降利息來降 |
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241.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
256.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我們如果發永續債可以降到40%好啊 我期待是說因為有這些財政手段財政手段是可以解決的尤其事實上我們也知道說預算法85條營業基金的預算的主要內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
257.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
278.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
有其中一個包括長期債務之舉借及償還長期債務這應該就是保留你說的永續債既然說如果我們這個長期債務我們由公股銀行來主導的話利息可以談得很低在利息最低的一個情況之下把民營銀行相對利息高的把它沖掉 |
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279.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
299.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
台電可以用財政手段來解決現在的這個狀況因為我們現在要面對的就是因為在野黨這個一千億的撥補不會讓台電倒三天嘛我們現在就不希望說這個電價去升上去下跌一定會沒進動這是我們執政黨的原罪啊可是我們還是得面對台電的這個狀況 |
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301.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
303.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以我是覺得這個問題部長你應該帶回去然後跟行政院好好的談我們現在已經跟國化會就這個命題你所指導的這個命題已經深入的在檢討 |
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| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
338.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我希望說這個要把他持續下去是我就很精準的五分鐘謝謝委員五分鐘就完成我的質詢但是我覺得這個真的可以用財政手段對我們幫助非常大部長我相信這是你的專業因為你來自民間你知道民間遇到周轉不靈的時候總是要有一些辦法嘛好不好是保定我們這個災民加油好不好謝謝委員謝謝好 謝謝崔議員 |