| IVOD_ID |
159451 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159451 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T11:11:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T11:21:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb051170f047314c9eb56c3f89dc79e7a2560f1855e115a4ba44b664da36d5803b25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:02 - 11:21:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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主席我想請郭部長請郭部長 |
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委員好部長早安早安總統府去年6月成立了全社會防衛任性委員會首次實地的演練已經規劃在3月27號在台南舉行據我所知這一次經濟部也是受邀參加演習不曉得部長知不知道這件事情知道 |
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那這次經濟部負責的部分是哪一個部分呢應該是生活上面的部分類似大概你們參加的會是哪一些單位呢這個不知道市長跟你報告好不好好啊市長那你說大概是哪一些單位會參加呢這個您說的是 |
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所以次長也不知道這個是應該是內政部辦的是內政部啊基本上是總統府的委員會辦的但是呢經濟部這一次也在被邀請的範圍之內那本席現在就是想了解說請問經濟部參加的大概是哪些單位哪些人員大概有多少人所以目前是次長部長 |
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所有經濟部的所屬單位都不知道嗎不是跟委員報告這個因為現在目前的這個活動還在規劃當中啦3月27下個禮拜就要就要開始了你們都還不知道誰要參加 |
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對我們第一個我們是配合單位第二個就是說這個因為是涉及到演習它是一個形同演習的所以我們可能不方便在這個地方提出那會等到這個已經確定了以後那由內政部會統一向還有國土辦會向這個我希望說你們可以盡快的理解一下到底是誰會參加是台電嗎是中油嗎 |
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還是台塘也要參加還是水利署要參加這個總是要有一個方向吧如果假設是民生的話像部長講的是生活的話大概是哪些單位會參加我們也想要理解那去年經濟部就有說要增加這個天然氣的儲存量到14天但是目前據我所知這個安全存量才一個禮拜左右 |
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那這是在沒有任何危機發生的情況之下那如果假設真的不幸有任何的危機發生的話天然氣馬上就無法使用了那目前經濟部有沒有做過推演我們的這個備援計畫台灣大概可以存幾天呢報告委員我想您所指證的這些部分我想我們都有備援的計畫 |
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那有一些備援計畫的內容不便在這裡跟各位說所以您不知道是我們現在可以備援幾天嗎我們都非常清楚所以是一個禮拜是準確嗎一個禮拜是準確嗎這應該是公開的我們比這個要多很多啦但是我們不能夠在這個地方公開的講我們可以到委員的辦公室跟報告所以是可以超過一個禮拜當然是可以超過一個禮拜太好了 |
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部長接下來我想我也想要再關心一下這個有關於台積電台積電就是這個月初宣布說要到美國去擴大投資的消息那很多人都擔憂說我們台灣半導體產業外移那人才流失甚至會衝擊國家安全那但是您在廣播節目上表示說台積電的決定您事先是毫不知情那到底是知情還是不知情呢 |
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報告委員我怎麼可能不知情前一天我想總統跟魏董事長在公開的記者會上面已經講得很清楚整個政府相關單位都在討論這件事情我當然是知情只是那一天主持人問我一千億這個金額你知不知道我不能夠講 |
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所以我在講說這個一千億事實上一千億坦白講我不知道因為它是一個範圍 |
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但是主持人問了一個非常具體的數字我沒有辦法我因為我不知道是一千億還是八百億還是一千兩百億所以我當然一千億我不知道我本來很擔心我想說怎麼會負責這個全國經濟大政的這個部長台積電這麼重大的決策我當然知道我當然知道 |
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報告委員其實這個都是在歪樓啦對啊你想看看以你高度的智慧應該可以判斷這個事情是歪樓我個人來講我這麼重要的任務我怎麼可能不知道 |
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因為我不希望是數字的問題所以我很擔心說這個經濟部變成文書處理單位因為畢竟經濟部尤其您就是經濟總舵手所以這一點也藉這個機會讓所有人都知道說這個是一個 |
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我不是不知道有一些內容不能夠就其中的一個數字是 那接下來本席也想要問有關於說卓院長有講過台積電赴美投資是用 |
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N-1的這個規定 就是說我們的美國的製程必須落後台灣廠一個世代以上那目前N-1的明文規範僅是於對中國大陸的投資那對於其他的海外市場並沒有明確的這個強制規定說要求N-1那換而言之這個N-1的原則 |
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到目前為止是一個口頭承諾並非是一個真正具有約束力的規範那部長請問您有沒有什麼想法說要來確保這個N-1的規定落實嗎 |
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好 報告委員我想就科學的角度來看這個命題N-1它是自然而存在的所有的企業往海外走離開了台灣到世界任何一個地方我想它一定要想去那個地方賺錢所以它不可能把一個 |
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不確定的事實或者不穩定的製程移過去所以它自然而然在台灣一個成熟穩定可以賺錢的這個製程那美國不會給壓力嗎他們不想要最先進的製程嗎是啊它是最先進的但是最先進這裡面各位知道我們所謂半導體的製程每一個階段大概有兩年 |
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都是在那個階段你是兩年的頭還是兩年的尾都是在那個縱裡面所以我想這個區間上面表達得非常的清楚就是失去我們的國際優勢然後目前世界上有很多的國家都有類似的國家利益防衛條款那就是說政府立法要求 |
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具有戰略意義的公司在推動這個技術轉移啊資產重組啊甚至有涉及這個國家安全的行動時必須獲得國家政府的這個批准那以確保我們的核心技術不外流那這個就有包括說美國的這個DCRA我講我們的機關不以核准的大概有以下六項第一 |
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影响国家安全 您刚刚所说的第二 对国家经济发展有不利影响的第三 违反国际条约或协定之义务第四 侵害智慧财产权第五 违反劳动基准法引发重大劳资纠纷尚未解决的第四 破坏国家形象所以以上六项的这一个过程之后到达我们投审会一律拒绝 |
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是 所以我也希望說部長也要做一個把關的這個動作因為另外我們擔心的是台積電的董事會的結構它其實是日益國際化有很多其他的包括具有這個美國政府背景的這個董事那請問部長假設我做一個問題這是一個假設性的問題如果未來董事會的決策出現 |
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台灣跟美國利益有衝突的時候我們政府有沒有什麼機制可以確保台灣的利益不受損呢我想委員您這個假設問題比較大一點是不是可以具體一下哪個地方違反什麼樣的利益就是說假設在董事會上面我們董事會決定說把先進更先進的製程違反這個N-1的話 |
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你會 這樣怎麼辦呢請你隨身回答董事會必須要替公司提出可以賺錢盈利獲利的這樣的一個責任我們現在是在討論包括國家安全是不是這個是不可能的一個事實任何一個董事他必須要為這個公司賺錢如果假設這個公司只是賺錢然後影響到了國家安全因為現在有好幾位 |
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這個美國人也加入了這個董事會所以呢我現在就是要提醒你提醒你務必做好準備確保台灣的經濟與技術的主導權不會受損害我們主管機關我剛才已經跟您報告了那個六項它只要影響國家的安全或者影響國家的經濟跟不利的影響這個我們不會允許好 加油謝謝 |