| IVOD_ID |
159434 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159434 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T09:59:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T10:12:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb0eff8e19dcccbd4b14aa23c349ee8e693525a0be0b44ec4a3f6c8e88a0e872c475ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:43 - 10:12:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席我們請任市長有請任市長委員長好 任市長早我想這個剛才包括吳思堯委員包括我們黃峰委員都有在關心那在這個 |
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今年的2月28日陸委會的新聞稿要求行文我們的主管機關人事總署要求依法宣傳並清查公職人員不得具有中國大陸身分證件這個部分剛才大概都有提到目前我們 |
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照陸委會的新聞稿看起來,有關這件事情的主管機關應該就是我們人事總署對不對? |
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各主管機關都要走,因為華麗的主管機關是陸委會,他是請我們跟權序部發文給所有的有關公務人員不得具有中國大陸身份與證件這個部分的主管機關他提出人事總署、權序部、法務部 |
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他是請我們轉發給各個行政院所以事實上是透過你們這邊轉發的我們有轉發那剛剛大概都有提到這個是目前採取的方式是以拒絕的方式嘛對不對現在就請這個公務員沒有槍沒有罰則就用鼓勵的方式鼓勵但是是以拒絕的方式來進行那這個事實上 |
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這個是一個部分但是我們按照這個公務人員任用法的這個第第四條 第四條的這個第二項有關於這個 |
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前項人員就是公務人員各機關任用公務人員的品德忠誠還有各機關任用辦理查核這個必要時得洽請有關機關協助辦理其涉及國家安全或重大利益者得辦理特殊查核有關這個特殊查核他另外另訂這個辦法就是涉及國家安全或重大利益公務人員的特殊查核辦法這個主管單位是我們人事總署對不對 |
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我們會選考試院我們會選考試院但是這個法令的主管機關就是我們人事總署對不對是我們總署沒有錯這個法令的主管機關當然不是你們獨立完成的你們必須要跟...這你們都要配合 我知道但是主管機關是你們有關這個涉及國家安全跟重大利益的公務員的特殊查核是由我們人事總署主管 |
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那這個剛才所講的這個拒絕的方式跟我現在講的這個有關國家安全重大利益的這個特殊查核辦法它本身 |
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有什麼不一樣大概從90幾年我們現在整個特殊查核大概改過17次了因為每一年我們在review看有沒有哪些對象要新增加剛才委員所提的像外交國防跟國家安全有關的相關的機關因為會有所謂的新增加的這些機關進來那每一年我們都會跟考試院同時在檢討 |
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簡單講剛才這個拒絕的這些部分這個是普查 |
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但是這個特殊查核這個是這個是特殊查核對不對 這針對特定人特殊查核基本上機關收到 戶收到 跟他的秘書有限定對象 不計啦不計你這個辦法裡面有一個附表附表裡面有什麼人 哪一些人去接受這個特殊查核你列了一清二楚一一就不會遭到什麼 不說沒有任何模糊空間它不是普查 它就不普查你就是 所以不公嘛不公 那兩個完全不公所以他們的法令的依據也不一樣嘛 |
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剛才王偉有提到說這個進行這樣子的這個現在目前要求這個公職人員不得具有中國大陸身份證件齁這個部分他的法源依據也不一樣啦都是公務員任用法但是一個是剛剛我想這個特殊查核有關國家安全重大利益的這是根據這個公務員任用法的第四條但是有關於不得具有中國大陸身份的這個是依照 |
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公務人員用法的第26條 |
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的第一項他說有下列情勢之一者不得為公務人員其中的第一款就是未具有未具或喪失中華民國國籍這一條還有這個第二款的這個具中華民國國籍兼具外國國籍但本法另有規定以及你剛剛所講的兩岸人民關係條例這個是不同的法源對不對所以他事實上是有法源依據他不是沒有法源依據對不對進行這樣子的清查是不是 |
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清查這公務人員到底有沒有具有外國國籍是不是具有其他國家的身份證件這個是有法源依據的對不對 |
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當我們進到公務員服務的時候都是規定都很明確啦就不能有雙重國籍的相關規定這個就是法律依據我剛剛唸了嘛我不用再唸一次嘛公務員任用法跟兩岸人民關係條裡面都有明確的規範嘛所以它是有法律依據它不是沒有法律依據的這個要在這邊讓社會跟所有公務員了解這是有法律依據的這不是說什麼不符合法律保留原則這個是有法律依據的對不對 |
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那這個我現在就這個剛剛我們談到這個涉及國際安全跟重大利益的這個公務人員的特殊查核齁針對這個剛才你也有提到齁提到說這個這個特殊查核改了多少次17改啦其實改的是副表對不對這副表裡面的我這邊齁有統計我們這個這個歷年來齁有修正這個副表的部分齁這個這個刪除齁從 |
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我看有從到現在目前應該要這個各機關辦理特殊查核植物一覽表這一覽表裡面從這個民國96年到去年113年12月3號做最後一次的修訂那這個植物的這個必須要接受這個特殊查核植物的總數從 |
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從1099人到最後一次修正到1328人對不對1328個現在目前的公務人員裡面就1328個人必須接受這個這個特殊特殊查核對特殊查核那裡面有增有減啊有的增到新增100人但是刪除51個人有的有每一次修改都有新增都有刪除 |
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那這個我就是想了解 請問這個人事長這樣子的這個調整他每一次修改調整的發動機關是誰是我們人事總署認為需要調整嗎還是哪一個機關謝謝委員給我這個機會這個是每一個機關他自己提出來自己提出來他有進場跟退場 |
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那什麼時候我們什麼時候每一個機關可能我今天覺得這樣子那下一個機關是後天覺得這樣子再下一個機關是下個月覺得這樣子我們不可能每天調整啊我們都有一定的一個調整機制到底我們怎麼決定什麼時候要做一次的調整 |
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一般來說 有配合的組織調整 那就是調整進場 退場機制是密度最高的只要有組織調整 組織調整組織調整之後 一定要再進去review 看看哪些職位要去調整最後一次113年 這個12月3號是什麼原因調整 |
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那個CI 關鍵基礎設施關鍵基礎設施的調整那這個齁我其實 |
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比起剛剛所講的拒絕的部分更關心這個國家安全跟特殊重大利益的這個特殊查核這個部分希望說我們這個人事行政總署能夠確實的督促各機關確實辦理那也希望說能夠你們要確實掌握這樣子的查核內容好不好好那接下來 |
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接下來的時間我從去年的9月30日跟11月10日都有兩度質詢都有提到我們有關於目前我們所強調的AI內閣有關於我們要讓台灣成為AI智慧島我們公務人員到相關的這些授訊的問題那時候都有跟人事長請教 |
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那時候去年9月30我就提出三點要求第一點就是我們AI計畫的成效要定期盤點另外第二個就是說我們AI要列為公務人員的學習的必修課程第三就是AI要納入115年原額評鑑這三個要求裡面 |
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我在這邊要先肯定我們人事總署基本上都有開始著手在做有的已經確實進行了有關AI計畫成效的定期盤點我有看到你們在公務人力發展學院的官網上面你們確實有公告有關AI智能訓練的成果每一季、按季有公開 |
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這是第一個給你們肯定第二個有關於這個AI列為公務學習必修現在是不是已經列為必修了去年11月已經有把它加入必修了這個部分我也很高興你們能夠接受本席的建議那第三個有關於AI納入115年原額評鑑的部分這個 |
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我看這個你們這個115年實施的這個115年辦理所屬二級機關聯合評鑑計畫已經有納入這個AI的公務人力的部分這部分我也基本上可以肯定但是我想進一步了解因為我時間到了我再第一個了解有關於我們AI這個推動實務種子人員課程去年只辦一期總共36個科長參加對不對 |
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有三個拿到...為什麼有三個拿不到啊?為什麼有三個拿不到啊?表示這個課期不是說有機課就可以課真的課三十六個課到三十六個大家很認真啊那時候你說今年要辦六期嘛五期都總共一百八十個從二五月開始辦你剛才說六期現在就減一年了經費沒什麼用人家是參與意願的問題嗎經費啦 |
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經費,喔經費喔,叫國民弄台語啊?那經費比較不夠所以你本來要辦六期,現在變成五期嘛五期,你剛才說36個,有33個拿到這個 |
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AI的認證啦 AI專業認證啦齁但是事實上我們現在國家並沒有這個AI專業認證的執照對不對 制度目前AI專業這個是你們自己設計的沒有沒有 我們請他到AI人工智慧學校去拿的人工智慧學校AI人工智慧學校去拿但是他並不是國家認證的他並不是國家認證的一個專業證照嘛那目前不是那我們自己有沒有打算要建立我們公務人員自己AI的認證體系 |
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這部分我會跟樹化部那個黃部長再來討論看看跟國科會啦要跟國科會你們已經有跟國科會申請AI政府經費有跟他申請你們要求他們做這個發展計畫我找我都比你清楚你們已經有拜託國科會 |
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去做這個AI政府領航人員發展計畫裡面要規劃建立你們公務人員AI的認證體系那我這個部分我是希望說能夠你們國科會 以我了解國科會到現在還沒有 |
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進行還沒開始進行啦齁那這部分我希望我們人事總署能夠再進一步再push國科會齁我們盡快的把一個公務機關裡面AI人才認證的這個機制齁趕快把它建立起來好不好好好謝謝謝謝人事長好謝謝委員 |