| IVOD_ID |
159408 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159408 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T10:12:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T10:26:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b837a8b63854d947dfcea595bacfac0e47b046c84a64030c6dcb601fca392b1a975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:16 - 10:26:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 楊群發言 邀請主委劉主委楊委員早主委好 |
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台積電董監事經理人持股的明細當中我們可以很顯示看出國發基金是台積電單一的最大股東它持有是6.38%的一個股份那麼近期台積電也宣布擴大對美國的投資計畫 |
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引發了外界對於技術外流及國家安全的一個關注那麼主委你也曾經談過你要堅持的是最新的技術不會過去對不對你也說最關鍵的技術不准過去對不對那同時你還有一個三大原則之一也就是國家安全為優先是不是如此 |
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是的到目前為止你仍舊是依這個原則嗎是不是是的這個我跟郭部長彼此之間有共識彼此之間的共識所以我們統計只有統計到113年的前三季那麼台積電的股利收入是高達247.9億元這是在113年的第三季那如果整年度來算應該可以達到 |
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所以对国家的贡献可以说财政贡献是非常的好但是在这样的一个情况之下我要请教主委台积电的技术领先性是其竞争优势的关键即使遵守着 |
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主委你對外說的也就是赴美投資N-1的規定仍可以導致美國半導體製造業能力的一個提升這是外界現在都在看的一個方向那進而也削弱了台灣在全球半導體供應鏈中的一個地位因為是我們的護國神山所以國防會你認為 |
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在台積電赴美投資N-1就能夠保證保護台灣的角色地位嗎請主委說明我跟委員報告台積電在南京設廠20年他沒有任何機密外洩反倒是我們可以看到其他的公司反而有控告一些員工把機密帶到對岸去 |
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所以機密會不會外洩完全在一家公司的管控做得好不好那我的了解台積電現在內部所有的電腦是沒有硬碟的也沒有USB的它完全是在雲端裡面它的資料是保護得非常完整所以我對台積電做技術關鍵技術的保密我是目前是信心是很高的 |
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信心是很高所以換句話說我們還是維持您所說的N-1這個情形就像微軟在這邊有研發中心IBM有研發中心可是他們從來沒有辦法我們從來拿不到因為每一個企業都有自己的機密管理的能力當然因為這個是他吃飯的最基本他不可能把他的飯碗砸掉 |
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不可能把那個範圍砸掉再請主委針對本席的提問也就是說目前政府告訴我們的是以N-1的這個方向跟立場是不是還是維持目前我們是維持的目前是維持本席就要提問也就是政府的立場政府的立場還是N-1的這個立場嗎是的是的喔好所以因此呢本席要因為大家 |
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對台積電從開始到現在大家都號稱是護國神山所以我們仍舊希望怎麼樣能夠保護台灣讓台灣在整個的這個立場上還是都是佔非常重要的角色這是我相信所有的國人大家都很期待我們也希望政府的立場說的跟執行的是一致的 是嗎是的 |
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接下來本席要請教我們針對於整個產業因為主委你也非常清楚本席不斷的在跟你討論我們除了AI我們除了高科技那最重要的我們台灣的傳統產業尤其本席來自於中部地區我們的機械手工具機工具機零組件 |
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這是也是台灣非常重要的護國神山尤其我們在組裝方面都能夠有較低的成本去跟世界競爭這也是為我們國家爭取了很多的外匯那所以沒有理由不照顧他們本期跟你討論 |
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2月13號的時候提出的2025年經濟展望的報告當中我們看到主要機構它測試我們今年的經濟成長大概介於在2.5%到3.42%那主計總數說可以超過3%以上但根據我們過去去年工具機的產業它的是衰退將近兩成 |
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營建業受政策及資金的影響 開工的量是萎縮的所以許多的中小企業根本沒有辦法生存不僅如此 我們的內需市場比較低迷比如說我們的餐飲 零售業也面臨著消費力不足的困境 |
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所以GDP整體雖然有成長 但是它是集中在少數高科技的產業其他的產業 尤其傳統產業 它的通貨指數是在節節的上升所以本席要請教 國發會您是產業政策的總指揮 |
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產業政策總指揮面臨到AI的產業熱度的高漲但是我們傳統產業卻陷入寒冬這樣子的一個產業結構的極端發展已經嚴重的影響到整個經濟性的穩定度政府你有什麼樣的對策呢請教 |
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這個部分我們有幾個幾個方向在跟產業溝通當然最主要我們還是要仰賴經濟部一起合作那第一個部分就是通路的部分我們有跟那個工具機協會那個有稍微那個那個陳我們有稍微有談到我們希望協助他們去做通路的建設 |
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那舉個例子,現在供給機成長速度比較快的市場在印度那我們怎麼樣協助他們設立一個通路讓台灣的產業可以賣進去第二個是高質化的改變,包括美國通路的掌握其實我們都有一系列在探討那我們也希望協助他們進入一個規模化然後更具規模競爭力在研發跟在技術上面 |
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那另外我們也討論到怎麼樣去讓協助他們在我們現在主要的控制機台是來自日本跟德國怎麼樣進入盡快的到國產化來做這個事情因為對岸也在做這件事情所以你現在講到了這個部分本席要提醒 |
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像我們這一次在南港展出我們的這個工具機手工具機機械類別以及零組件大家非常的用心我們接單的成績非常好這是我們電機的一個平台但是我們憂心的是什麼關稅問題我們更憂心到匯率問題 |
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這兩項是國防會你身為產業的總指揮官你必須要去跟相關單位去協助解決我們產業所碰到的重要問題關鍵點因為匯率不是我產業自己可以去決定 |
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關稅也不是我廠家可以自己去決定那他需要靠政府所以政府你到底在我們整個產業的這個比例上面你要怎麼樣 |
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提拨百分之多少來給我們的傳統產業來協助政策方向是有但是我們自己要努力可是我們碰到這非我所因素的條件是政府必須要做產業的靠山嘛對不對 |
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對 所以我們現在有出口的融資的補助協助他們在 不是補助 就是的協助那我們協助他們在融資上面出口的融資成本比較低的一些幫助讓他們在出口上面可以降低他的壓力 |
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那我們會針對這一點我們再來加強看看有沒有什麼可以更好的方案本席希望聽到你精進的方案因為已經進入寒冬這是我們國家最重要的產業經濟命脈就業人口多數在這一環所以本席希望您給本席您將你精進的方案給本席你預計你一定要提升百分之多少來給我們傳統產業來協助他們 |
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好的好不好好好那你大概多久時間可以給本席一個月內給你一個月內好那會提升比例嗎給我們的傳統產業我們會做一個整體的研究跟規劃我也會找經濟部一起來討論對然後朝提升的方向對不對 |
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對 我們會怎麼樣強化好 那接下來最後一個議題本席每一年都要請問你但是我真的蠻憂心也就是針對於推動性平等的這個成效 |
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我們看到勞動部的調查2024年的女性平均薪資327塊男性389 女性比男性要多工作58天才能夠達到男女全年薪資的相同因此同酬日2月27日 較去年只有增加兩天但是本席給你一個類別來作為討論 |
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667.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
673.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
的範例 電子零組件的製造業為例 2020年的男性是668塊女性只有多少 諸位 |
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678.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
702.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
393元他的相差41%在2023年以及2019年呢分別上升了1.9跟3.2%我請教主委在結果論來說我們男女同工不同酬的情況惡劣你國發會要怎麼樣去提升推動性別平等的一個成效請教主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
704.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
729.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這個我可能要找我會來找那個勞動部來討論一下看看怎麼樣這到底細節是什麼原因我們針對原因來對你是整個產業的總指揮那你今天針對這個我們每一年都跟你討論同工不同酬女性的薪資差別那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
731.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
757.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
每一個部會的總total是由勞動部來調查那總政策應該在你的國防會所以我還是具體建議因為我每一年一定會提出這個議題但是我們看不到它的一個均衡性所以本期希望因為每一個勞動者都是我們非常重要的職場沒有理由讓女性跟男性差別這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
759.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
765.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
所以本席具體要求相關部會你是總領航者你必須要跟他們去討論怎麼樣讓男女能夠來做均權均衡才能夠達到整個產業勞動力的一個均衡嘛一個向上提升嘛 |
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779.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
790.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我來瞭解一下因為我自己待過八家公司再加上現在政府都沒有男女的薪資之別薪資就是薪資主委你講到這個問題實在太離譜了我們去理解一下對不對已經勞動部的數字調查告訴你你還說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
799.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
812.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
沒有我的意思是說我們要去找出他的真正核心問題點這個就對了核心問題點到底是在哪裡就我了解上市櫃公司也都沒有這樣的問題所以我們得把你現在在政府部門做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
814.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
819.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
你有權利做政策的一個決定委員我必須講我不去了解問題的核心在哪裡我解不了問題當然這是你的職責啊我不能用通用性來看待對這是你的職責所以你要去了解為什麼每一年調查出來的資訊是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
834.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
856.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
所以就是問題沒解決啊謝謝委員好不好你說你願意核心去了解我非常的認同你用心多久時間可以告訴我們好不好這個至少要兩個月啦因為我很細節的去看它你好好用心去把它了解原因我們現在能夠在你的任內真的解決這個問題嘛好不好好的好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝 |