| IVOD_ID |
159390 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159390 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T12:11:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T12:22:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8de53c4176bd27e7f39fe1519e09d1f6fdee5d615e4ae620b21b00f39ec1a9b485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:34 - 12:22:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算決議有關勞動部預算凍結報告案19案。【報告事項】【如經復議則不予處理】
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於勞動部主管部分。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下黃部長來有請部長部長好部長我還是要先就年度預算 |
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讓你做個說明,也跟廣泰的勞工朋友講講看到底這一次立法院的預算會造成勞動部在推動各項勞工政策會有什麼自然難行,好不好?你們現在估出來的被刪減跟凍結的預算金額大概多少? |
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我們大概總共就公務算的部分大概被總共大概被刪減了大概大概八千萬吧八千萬對那那對 衛韓通案刪減是八千萬這不含通商的部分就個案就個案刪的部分是大概八千萬對統三是三趴沒有統三是業務費是統三三十趴對統動三十趴吧對 |
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但是就是不含統棟或統山的部分總共是38000萬38000萬那那三個這些預算會導致哪一些跟勞工權益 凍結是18億那可能會影響的勞工相關權益是什麼 |
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我們現在看到幾個部分第一個部分是其實因為一般行政的費用其實都被做了刪除所以其實整個部內的運作因為一般行政的費用包括刪除包括凍結都有所以如果沒有辦法快速的解凍的話其實已經會影響到部內的整體的行政的運作包括水電等等等的都在下半年可能都會受到影響這是第一個第二個其實 |
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包括我們剛才講到像我們剛才就業平等的這個相關的業務因為被刪了800動了 |
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將近2000所以剛剛像講到像產檢價賠產檢價的相關的這些補助其實都會受到影響那也包括我們其實對於一些地方政府的就業中心就業服務佔據點其實我們透過業務費的方式做一些會做一些薪資上面的補助那這部分也因為 |
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業務費被刪跟動所以這些救福人員的薪資的發放也會受到影響這都影響到一般勞動的權益你們現在在地方除了勞動部自己的就業服務站以外你們還有對各縣市政府跟鄉鎮市都有提供補助就業的 |
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就人員的薪資補助這部分也會被影響我想勞動部這邊也沒有什麼可以因應的唯一的方式就是盡可能的向委員做溝通希望該解凍的可以盡早解凍會不會影響到基金的撥補 |
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因為我們已經連續好幾年老保基金有做政府有做撥補嗎基金的撥補的部分比較是針對就是說財化法在去年12月通過後如果這個新的財化法要實施的話因為中央會被這個有3700多億那這個經費會移到地方去所以可能會有這些非法訂 |
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推法令義務的支出在未來的預算編列上面就會受到影響那撥補當然就是其中的可能會受到影響的項目好所以不然我先說我在去年其實我有提過老保條例的修正案我當初是把撥補直接入法 |
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就是基金的來源政府的撥補算是法定的收入來源可是後來因為行政部門有意見所以這個案我就把它撤掉了我現在重新問一次假如再提版本把政府撥補 |
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當作當作勞保基金的收入收入的來源入法啦就是把它明定在法律部長是贊成的還是反對的這部分我們尊重委員的提案然後我們願意跟委員來做討論因為我覺得 |
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老闆每年這樣子在政府透過這麼龐大的金額在撥補都已經搖搖欲墜了假如說在因為財化法的修正會受到撥補金額會受到影響因為他法定支出跟非法定支出還是有差別的當然啦假如說是法定支出也可以 |
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後來由地方來因為錢到地方了嘛可能中央還是有一些中央原本負責的事項必須要由地方來負責這個才合理啦這個後續應該財化法假如現在富裕案也已經 |
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被否決了後續假如說法律確定了以後錢跟權責總是必須要一致嘛不太可能說把錢給地方然後事情還是由中央來做所以就是說假如再重新提案 |
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政府撥補當作當作勞保基金的法定收入部長應該是肯定的我們覺得我剛才說尊重委員提案然後我們願意來跟委員這邊來討論部長我再問就是這個禮拜 |
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內政委員會也已經在討論國定假日那我覺得這個的起由大概都是因為勞工這七天假引發出來的 |
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那台灣的工時其實相對於日本韓國大概也都比較高啦時間的關係所以我簡單講就是說假如因為勞基法有規定特休假假如我們是透過提高特休假來增加勞工的 |
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的休假日而不是全國統一因為特休假有幾個好處就是第一勞工可以提高第一可以降低工時第二勞工可以自己選擇什麼時候要休 |
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第三因為不是一致性的修所以對企業的運作比較小對於經濟的阻礙也比較小這個部長這麼贊成 |
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以我們當然贊成我們當然不是從勞動部的角度我們當然會在這個降低工時的角度來去思考這種可能的狀況那針對當然特休的特休假的議題是會有一些討論那我們願意來聽大家的聲音但是因為確實特休假要 |
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要調整的話這涉及到要修法啦所以這個我的意思就是說假如說現在我們在討論國定假日最主要的起源是來自是來自砍勞工原本的那這七天假才有那麼多委員提出國定假日的修法版本那是不是是不是從勞基法來修 |
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提高特休假的天數這個對於整體國家的衝擊比較小這個會是社會討論的我們聽到各方討論的想法之一那我說因為這一波大家在討論國定假日的議題其實從勞動部的角度當然我們也覺得我們願意來正向的來參與這個事情的討論沒有我現在 |
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不然我這樣子問就是說你覺得直接用國定假日還給勞工這7天假的方式比較好還是我們單純7歐勞基法然後來提高特休假一樣想辦法把這7天補回去 |
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這兩個途徑部長比較支持哪一個我都不會為難你啦 |
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我認為這些做法當然大家現在討論我們都在聽大家的聲音好啦那我還是必須要做個結論啦我覺得從特休假來做處理會是對國家社會經濟衝擊最小然後同時又可以讓勞工自己選擇他要的假日然後企業也不會因為放假所以停擺 |
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所以我覺得我還是主張修勞基法提供給部長當作參考謝謝主席 謝謝部長 |