| IVOD_ID |
15938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15938 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-22T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-22T12:25:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:55:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eafb6a56bedfdb3c816425655b8120616f3be8d109af184be47151f3b29f2a0cf85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具「不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具「土地法第十四條條文修正草案」案。【第三案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【5月22日、23日 二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:00 - 12:25:00 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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好,我們各位同仁,現在我們請我們主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員11人以主法定人數。好,現在我們開會,進行報告書項,請先讀上次會議議事錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年5月13日星期一上午9時至12時1分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人列席委員鄭天才委員等10人列席官員原住民族委員會常務副主任委員鍾新華及相關人員財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉歐斯及相關人員財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長麻藥古木 |
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2050.88 |
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2075.118 |
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客家委員會政務副主任委員周江杰及相關人員、勞動部勞動關係司副司長黃琪雅、主席高經召集委員宿梅。報告事項一、宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定。二、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長、就搬遷原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長、就搬遷原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長、就搬遷原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長、就搬 |
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三、邀請原住民組委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民組文化事業基金會董事長、客家委員會主任委員、財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長就營運情形紀錄和因應新媒體發展趨勢進行專題報告並被質詢。 |
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報告事項合併詢答原住民族委員會常務副主任委員鍾新華、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬拉歐斯、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長麻藥古木報告、委員蘇巧慧等18人質詢。分別由原住民族委員會常務副主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長、客家委員會政務副主任委員、勞動部勞動關係司副司長答覆說明。 |
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決定一、登記發言委員處不在場者外其餘均已發言完必詢答結束。二、委員張志倫、丁學忠、吳琪銘等三人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。三、書面質詢及為其答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會。通過臨時提案五案宣讀完畢。 |
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請問各位委員,上次的會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏?沒有,那我們議事錄就確定那現在我們繼續進行本日議程討論事項,請先讀 |
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2164.622 |
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2193.758 |
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一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具、「不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案案。」二、審查委員蔡易餘等17人擬具、「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。」三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條條文修正草案案。」宣讀完畢本路議程所列的討論事項合併審打現在我介紹在場的委員以及內席的官員首先我介紹我們黃捷委員 |
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2196.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2201.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
李博義委員蔡易餘委員 |
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2213.249 |
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2234.717 |
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首先我介紹內政部的政務次長董建宏董次長因為部長今天有請假今天有因為外賓外賓的來襲所以部長我們這邊部長就請假我們第二位我們地政司司長 |
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2242.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2264.748 |
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王辰基王師長我們副師長陳信利副師長法務部參事廖江憲好謝謝司法院民事廳法官林芳華好謝謝 |
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2267.82 |
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2285.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
衛生福利部心理健康師檢任記證李炳章社會及家庭署科長吳怡珊文化部文化資產及綜合規劃組專門委員紀嘉玲 |
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2292.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2314.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
交通部秘書處檢任秘書馬逸芳中華郵政公司經營車類設計委員會副指令委員蔡文慶財政部國產署副署長王采業 |
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2318.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2323.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
金融監督管理委員會銀行級專門委員張曉平行政院人事總處主編人力處專門委員谷元齡來補充介紹王美惠委員到場 |
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2371.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
蘇巧慧委員請提案委員說明提案料子那是不是第一位我們請蔡易餘委員 |
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2387.403 |
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2405.473 |
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主席蔡易餘作土地法第七十三條之一作提案說明我提出這一條主要是因為我們知道土地或建築改良物自以繼承開始之日起欲一年未辦以繼承登記 |
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則經該管直轄市或縣市地政機關查明後應及公告繼承人於三個月內申請登記如果沒有預期的話那就由地政機關予以列冊管理列冊管理後會由國有財產署來代為拍賣 |
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土地或建築改良物超過五年的時候那就會有一個代為拍賣那過去這個代為拍賣常常發生的狀況就是他拍賣的時候他並沒有通知到他的毗鄰地的 |
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2459.432 |
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所有權人或其他持分的所有權人其他持分土地的就變成這塊土地被拍賣出去之後那有時候往往很不幸的如果遇到了像是法派蟑螂這是比較極端的狀況那他可能會標到這塊土地之後對平林地他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2465.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2470.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
通行權或者是土地旁邊的關係兩邊的關係會做大幅度的更動然後會嚴重侵害到坪林地所有權人坪林地所有權人必須要用高於好幾倍的價格去跟標授到這塊土地的人去進行溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2513.873 |
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去跟他把塊土地把它買回來這中間會產生非常大的一些權益上的一個爭議那當然權益的爭議來源是因為有人去飆售到了由國產署所代為飆售的這塊土地那他飆售的這塊土地他有權益但是他坪林地的所有權人卻因此會遭受到很大的可以說是一個溝通上的一個麻煩因為他可能 |
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為了他的通行權他要花好幾倍的一個價格那這中間他只會怪罪政府一件事那你既然要標授這樣的一個土地他是我的毗鄰地你既然要標授那你為什麼你只有在 |
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2534.895 |
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公告在公所、當地公所或其他地方,只有公告,沒有通知。 |
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所以他又接觸不到訊息他在這個飆售的當下他無法去出標他無法去判斷這一塊土地如果被人家飆售出去會對我的權利產生怎樣的影響那所以我今天提出的這個土地法第七十三條之一的修法就是一個健行 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案件 、三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案件 、三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案件 、三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案件 、三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案件 、三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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2632.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2649.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
主席各位委員女士先生首先感謝各位委員對內政部業務的關注與指導今天貴委員會召開審查會議審議大院吳委員齊銘等17人提案之不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2650.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2668.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
林委員戴化等17人擬具《土地法第十四條條文修正草案》案。以及蔡委員裕宜等17人擬具《土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案》案。本部應邀前來報告並備詢,深感榮幸。僅將本部相關意見說明如下,請委員參考。 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2669.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2686.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
首先針對不動產估價師部分條文修正草案在修正條文第八條部分依據身心障礙者權利公約及精神衛生法規定身心障礙者或罹患精神病病人之享有與其他人平等之工作權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2687.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2711.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
為本案提案參考會計師法第六條及地政事法第十一條規定修正本條文第一項有關罹患精神疾病或身心狀況違常不能執行業務者不發給或註銷開業證明之規定對於本提案為落實保障罹患精神疾病或身心障礙者工作權益之修法方向本部競表贊同 |
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2713.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2718.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
第二部分有關增訂第18條之一、第18條之二的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2719.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2742.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
不動產估價師受委託辦理不動產估價,其估價品質其會影響當事人權益及交易市場之秩序。為不動產估價過程包括調查、勘查等外業工作,以及交易案例等資料質詳整理、比較、分析及價格調整等內業工作,最後再決定估價價格,其過程甚為繁雜。 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2744.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2759.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
本提案參考會計師法之會計師助理規定修正增訂建立不動產估價助理員制以協助不動產估價師辦理內外業相關工作最後再由估價師依其專業審查估價過程並決定最終估價價格將有助於估價師專心致力於專業之價格評估與決定提升估價之品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2768.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2797.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
此外,本提案對於估價助理員之估價協助估價業務範疇、資格條件及管理等事項,一併配合納入規範,亦可確保助理員之專業及管理。建議本提案將不動產估價師助理員制度化法制化,將有助於提升不動產估價之專業及品質,有利於產業的發展,所以本部競表贊同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2799.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2818.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
第二大部分有關於土地法修正部分條文的修正首先有關於修正第十四條的部分按照土地法第十四條第一項第九款明定穀積土地不得為私有其立法亦仔細考量民生穀積為全民之資產理應由全民共享,不宜由私人獨佔 |
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2820.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2836.796 |
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有關本庭案修正行政法人及公營事業機構有經營或使用需要之古蹟土地,得不受不得為私營之限制一解。考量行政法人及公營事業系由政府出資捐助或成立或直接管控。 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2838.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2861.49 |
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堅負推動政府政策責任其性質與一般私人不同且其取得所需之古蹟土地後能依須文資文化資產保存條例保存法第八條第一項之規定認為公有文化資產尚無獨占古蹟土地之餘並有助於其業務推動以解決古蹟資產產權及管理維護複雜化等問題本部競表贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2867.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2893.709 |
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第二部分有關於修正土地法第七十三條之一條文的部分那麼本提案修正土地法第七十三條之一第三項增訂未辦繼承登記之土地或建築改良物於財政部國有財產署以下簡稱國產署待會標授前應書面通知繼承人、毗鄰地所有人及拍賣土地持分人 |
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2895.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2906.151 |
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其修正意旨為確保當事人之財產權。按現行本條第三項規定信明訂未辦繼承登記之土地或建築改良物標售後 |
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2907.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2932.463 |
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於該等土地或建築改良物有使用適時之繼承人、合法使用人或其他共有人就其使用範圍具有優先購買權,必時使用與所有權能合一。至於本案提擬增訂之比鄰地所有人,非屬本條第三項規定之優先購買權人,並拍賣土地持份人, |
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倘系指其他共有人亦能須有使用事實,使得就其使用範圍主張優先購買。另查為保障優先購買人權益 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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人之權益本條於111年6月22日修正公佈以明定地政機關對於未辦繼承登記之土地或建築改良物在辦理列冊管理前以及列冊管理15年已請國有國產署標授前均應以書面通知繼承人且辦理標授前應公告期間於30日延長為三個月 |
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2974.702 |
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優先購買權人於標售決標後得主張優先購買之期限由10日延長為30日,配合前述修正,國產署已修正預期未辦繼承登記土地之及建築改良物標售作業要點。 |
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明定應請登記機關、鄉、鄉鎮公所及村裡辦公室等代為張貼標授公告並請該等機關協助於網站公開提供標授資訊以增加多元管道使優先購買權能支息可提升標授資訊之傳播考量本條已訂有書面通知繼承人之規定 |
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且毗鄰土地所有人及無使用事實之土地共有人非屬本條第三項規定之優先購買權人,因無通知需求,原建議免予修正。以上,僅就大院委員提案作二要報告,另有關修正條文之細部內容或文字,本部將於逐條審查時再提出建議意見供委員參考,並尊重委員會之討論決定。恭請各位委員指教。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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行政委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。」案。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。」案。四、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。案。五、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。案。五、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法 |
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因為今天法案處理本次的會議就不處理臨時提案請各位委員有沒有意見好沒有好那我們現在就開始進行審打登記第一位的我們施巧慧委員好謝謝 |
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3140.265 |
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董事長,今天您第一次備詢。但我想問你的第一個問題是,市長今天為什麼是由您出席?部長呢?部長有請假嗎? |
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3140.953 |
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有,部長有請假。 |
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3156.093 |
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委員會跟召委如果根據昨天國民黨和民眾黨共提的修正動議版本上面是寫委員會同意不說召委同意就有算了喔對阿這個還沒有確定喔我不知道這範圍是多少捏好再來來來來市長我問你的第二個問題市長主席不給你為難啦你昨天也站我們這邊的啦對啦 |
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3202.583 |
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來來來次長我再問你次長今天我們要討論的主題是什麼我們要討論的主題今天的質詢主題是要討論不動產估價師法的修正還有土地法的修正這是今天的範圍嘛對不對並備質詢嘛對不對部長我今天想要問你的是都市更新事業優惠貸款要點我這有沒有超過質詢範圍我們尊重大院的決定跟委員的權責部長 |
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3204.404 |
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3211.768 |
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我現在在問你欸問你我現在要質詢這個題目有沒有超過質詢範圍根據昨天通過二讀二讀通過的這個條文到底有沒有超過質詢範圍開會通知單上面寫的是這個不動產估價師法還有土地法但我現在我是位委員欸我當然可以問所有的問題啊我這有超過質詢範圍嗎 |
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我們尊重大院的決定跟委員的權責 |
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3270.776 |
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兩萬到二十萬啦兩萬到二十萬啦各位各位我沒有跟大家開玩笑市長我跟你說接下來的政務官很難做 |
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3294.129 |
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因為我剛剛問的問題根據昨天通過的二讀的這個法條如果再繼續走下去我剛剛的問題都成立啊都成立啊而且到底是不是這樣還沒有人知道欸不知道怎麼解釋啊因為昨天的這些法條通過之前不知道完全沒有經過任何的討論所以它的範圍到底是什麼沒有人知道市長 |
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3295.643 |
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3319.04 |
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好自為之啊 好自為之啊好啦 齁 次長 這個第一天到立法院備詢就被問這種問題我們等一下這個影片請大家出去評評理接下來中華民國的政務官都要用這樣的標準在立法院備詢嗎還有人願意來做中華民國服務人民的官員嗎 |
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3320.541 |
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3336.771 |
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我請大家仔細的思考看看我們昨天二讀通過的法條到底合不合理這是我今天的第一個問題好啦那但是本於我自己的國會職責、內政委員會職責我真的想跟你討論都市更新事業優惠貸款這個要點部長、市長請問你知道這個要點嗎是 |
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3343.081 |
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3370.643 |
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這個要點很多人不知道欸我昨天問了聯絡人齁還有問了部內的資深的人員成辦人員其實他們也都不太知道欸這個要點是什麼時候開始的在95年1月25號有行政院在加速推動更新方案95年就開始了好那到現在還在嗎還在還在嘛那95年到現在請問根據這個優惠貸款的要點一共申請了執行了幾件 |
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3371.563 |
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3377.847 |
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一共累積已經通過有59件才59件對不對才59件喔好大家聽聽看喔我們這個貸款匡列了2000億但是這麼多年二十幾年下來一共才59億你覺得這樣的一個我們要促進都市更新這個事業所設立的優惠貸款你覺得這樣的政策工具成效好嗎 |
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3398.83 |
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3417.443 |
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跟委員報告相關的優惠貸款我們是國發會協調中華郵政去提撥2000億貸款如果有人說假但是很多從事那個都市更新的相關的事業體他們有的因為可以從私人的銀行所以他們就不一定會來我們 |
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3419.304 |
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3447.158 |
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但是為什麼他會去私人銀行不會來這裡來來來我們給你看嘛就下面嘛這幾項嘛第一貸款利率跟其他金融機構的差異不大你今天如果真的要做到優惠的感覺你就是這個利率的差異要做出來讓人家覺得說啊我願意來這裡這裡更好這才是有效的政策工具嘛來啦第二點但第三點我甚至也都幫你整理好了第二點就是貸款的年限不長我們先看下一張喔下一張投影片喔 |
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3466.105 |
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市長你是專家嘛你非常清楚應該比我更清楚都市更新的期程其實就是分這樣的三階段那其實第一階段開發整合第二階段開發審查第三階段就是核代申請建造和建築施工其實花費最長的時間是什麼是第一階段開發整合的時間對不對可是我們什麼時候可以開始申請剛剛的這個優惠貸款是一二三哪一個時間點開始是在第三個階段第三個階段 |
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3478.974 |
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3493.339 |
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第三個階段我才可以申請這個貸款如果這個時候我開始申請了之後因為通常概見案大概確實是您現在的這個優惠的貸款它的年限六年差不多差不多啦可是其實最需要錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3494.199 |
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3509.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
最需要發揮的最需要政府協助的其實是前面的階段啊所以次長我今天特別提出這個問題來跟您請教就教就是你看看政府現在要不要鼓勵都市更新要嘛事實上我們的圍繞我給你看一個數據你看圍繞 |
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3511.631 |
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3529.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
違老的部分我們是從2017年才開始的可是到現在已經是3599了3599件都市更新的話1998年開始才這樣子件數而已這是一個非常重大的落差順便在這裡請教次長次長違老重建的條例其實又已經快到期了這有沒有再延長的想像 |
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3532.313 |
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3550.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
再延長的機會有目前我們正在政策平衡當中是不是因為做得好你就是會再延長嘛所以我們再回來前面剛剛的這個部分都市更新的這個事業獎勵的這個部分那市長今天給你看到了有這樣的狀況而且它的成效確實是不彰所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3551.963 |
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3577.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
還有剛剛第三點推廣效果不佳因為連聯絡人都搞不清楚這個狀況所以我建議是不是能夠好好的把這個優惠貸款的部分再重新研究一下看是要把利率差異做大還是貸款的年限拉長甚至是往前斷就有開啟的機會我認為這都是可以討論的是不是可以請部內到跟我辦公室再做進一步的研究 |
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3578.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3579.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3596.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3596.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
主席董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3628.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3653.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
首先我們必須承認不動產估價師作為公正又專業的第三方在我們國家不動產的市場扮演著就是很非常重要的角色在台灣不動產的市場影響著無數的民眾的經濟正是有這種市場的重要性我們認為確保估價師公正又專業性非常的重要 |
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3654.195 |
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3657.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
不動產的估價師專業的判斷不是影響到我們的買賣雙方的權益更就是牽涉到信貸或者稅務的標準性但是隨著市場的快速發展與專業人才需要增加所以目前不動產的估價師的數量不足能滿足我們市場的需求 |
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3682.183 |
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3683.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
請問市長對於這個現況看法是什麼?認為怎麼樣才能提高我們的行業?還有就是整體的量能又可以兼顧的專業性? |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3698.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3724.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
謝謝委員次教那麼委員剛剛所提問的我們怎麼樣增加相關的人才那要跟委員報告其實目前許多大學已經開設了相關的課程那協助輔導以及教學許多未來的優秀的人才那我們也會針對這個部分給予很多學校幫助希望他們能夠在這部分的人才裡面配合市場的需求去增加而且培育專業的人才 |
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3725.299 |
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3725.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
二、審查委員 |
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3741.577 |
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3743.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
對不動產估價的行業的年輕人投入這個行業但是根據新的修法版本新的修法將會明確助理的聘用條件還有職責範圍和必要的專業需求訓練需求但我們認為 |
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3762.245 |
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3789.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
在法案第十八之二的條落日條款竟然是已經設定的日期了所以希望是不是不要用要服務滿四年這樣才能吸引更多有經驗的人來加入的行業所以對於這個部分我們有提出修正動議希望部長這邊就是看有什麼看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3790.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3813.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
就不要說要有經驗4年這樣這部分感謝委員赤教我們會在等一下主條討論的時候進一步跟委員請教請益是好謝謝市長因為我們希望更多的人加入這個行業對於我們的台灣的經濟還有雙方的買賣都很有大的幫助所以謝謝我們的市長 |
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3815.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3821.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
再來就請教我們的次長有看到這篇新聞嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3824.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3833.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
所以我們居住正一直是我們民眾就是最關心的議題特別在就是都會區現在的房子貴三三嘛對所以呢不吃不喝才能十幾年才能買到房子我們希望社會住宅是給需要的人來使用的不是就是對於我們的一般的民眾就是社會住宅的補貼 |
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3852.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3854.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
補貼的金額還有申請的流程還有很多的疑問所以像這樣子的新聞就是開豪車就可以租社會住宅這樣子的話我們就以那個身分別來去就是作為社會住宅的標準 |
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3870.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3894.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這樣如果以身分別這樣子的標準的話恐怕就是跟社會住宅法第25條的第三項的規定依成住人的薪水及負擔能力來訂定收費標準就有所違背了所以請教我們的次長這樣的制度有什麼看法 |
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3895.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3917.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
首先感謝委員的垂詢那剛才新北市的社宅的狀況那新北市有去做相關的調查那他們會進一步去釐清相關的狀況那至於修法的部分我們目前正在討論當中那我們也會依據委員的建議那來斟酌相關的情況 |
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3920.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3938.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
希望是說修法真正的是花錢花在刀口上就是要照顧到有需要照顧的人以身分別的話就是車子是不算不動產的話就不會移在裡面這樣子的話對真正的需要照顧的人沒有照顧到所以我們要花錢花在刀口上 |
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3941.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3941.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3970.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3970.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
主席 |
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3983.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3993.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
真是,不要緊張不要怕因為胡錦濤總召國民黨說要讓我們的官員出沒辦法來擔任各單位的政府因為我覺得有理性對台灣中華民國有抱負的人我相信你們同樣會勇敢為國家來做事情 |
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4012.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員吳琪銘等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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改端問題的節目都是不一樣的。但是在這裡面臨新的政策,另外大家來共同為台灣來做事情。在這裡面我們說到說查國書,這個查國書的助理,我們先說延伸去查國書。查國書每一檔的入局,你有覺得很假嗎? |
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文哲雄相關的估價師的他們的入取率很低是因為他們相關的課程還有考試的資格的確也比較嚴格我們希望能夠確保全民的權益尤其這個整個的估價過程對我們資產有很大的影響所以他們當然訓練比較嚴格報考考試的狀況也比較嚴格 |
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甚至你剛才嫌棄而已因為當然每一項項目、每一項科技都是很嫌棄這是本社會跟你討論說是怎樣他有時一年會入局你跟二十個在這兩邊的規定剛才你說的說還有因為他要做什麼要做什麼嫌棄每一個單位課也都要嫌棄 |
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這是你有覺得問題出在台嗎?我認為問題關鍵可能包含就是說在整個職業訓練的過程還有學習的過程,它需要比較多的時間。甚至本席跟你說,因為我上次去問過,我們就是 |
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要有課程要有學分經過國家課程後要有兩檔的經驗再來要加入一定的工會要加入在裡面的過程當中要先為一個查告書 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條 |
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他去看、他去做草稿書的工作,他會當地人還是沒有來? |
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與委員報告我們基於全責的狀況查顧司助理跟其他會計師助理、地政司助理是一樣他們可以協助業務但是他們不能負最後的責任也就是最後責任還是要歸為顧價師本身來蓋章因為說實在因為本身也沒有反對做你的法治法因為說實在有現在很多人不需要尤其我們都跟 |
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議員吳琪銘等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以說,剛才你也有說,不能反映了。在這裏面,我認為,待會,我們諮詢之後,要好好探討的時候,要讓你們有意見的、有問題、有擔意的,都要拿出來聽你們的意見。因為你們是執行單位。再來,我來請教一下, |
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我們剛才蔡議員說的土地法你如果有報告的時候你覺得說你有什麼困難因為比較在南部的地方當中的 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十五條之一條文修正草案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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有的人是針對這去處理,所以我們會想說,來通知他出民台位有需要用這塊地,因為有很多延遲到他本來不能走。 |
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他又想說趕好出兵,跟大家說這樣走到冠四冠四啊。他又想說趕好出兵,跟大家說這樣走到冠四冠四啊。他又想說趕好出兵,跟大家說這樣走到冠四冠四啊。他又想說趕好出兵,跟大家說這樣走到冠四冠四啊。他又想說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說趕好出兵,跟大家說 |
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要輸送、要給他的工具,這是很浪費的。所以本身要跟你說的就是我們要去研議,要如何可以四處聯絡,雖然你有擔憂,本身也想到說,如果像在市內,一塊塊在公寓的旁邊,你要買一塊 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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甚至不是說我又覺得困難,我又不做了。當有困難的時候,我們就是要解決。像我自己也是,也有回到這個問題。所以我們希望,我們的法是越修越好,可以你沒有看到的問題,我們拿出來跟你探討。這你的意見是怎樣?來。 |
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感謝委員的指教那委員所提的狀況還有蔡易餘委員所提出的狀況我們都會了解我們也都注意那詳細的細節是不是我們等一下修法的時候我們再一併跟委員做報告好要先去了解因為這中會真的發生我了解謝謝好謝謝完美會委員的執行謝謝來 |
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黃建斌委員董事長 |
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市長早市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長 |
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三、審查委員 |
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市長問問我們之前內政部長林耀昌還有在去年選舉時間到我們台東市仁愛國小來勘查這個血統上下這個動線強化整個周邊的這個通學的安全這是蓋好的政策因為我們台東縣的預算不多那很難去龐大這麼大的校園的周邊安全改善那請教市長針對這一塊未來我們內政部是不是有針對往非直轄市而且是財力較為弱的縣市來做經費的補充的補助 |
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主席跟委員報告有關於道路安全在賴總統的就職演說裡面也有特別提到我們對道安的要求 |
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行政院本於一體本部當然依據行政院的指示我們會進行相關的協助那特別是在國土署的部分我們會請國土署協助有關於非六都的地區相關的城鄉建設看可以怎麼樣的協助我們會依法來執行 |
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謝謝市長,市長這邊台中縣真的要幫台中縣多多跟部長那邊來齊並要多協助另外我們在剛才有提到就是其實我們這幾年其實大家都提到的居住正義居住正義那地價的整個上漲房價一直不斷的攀升其實造成不管是年輕人或是未來要買房子的人他很大的負擔其實台東喔,台東的房子也非常貴 |
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不要以為台東偏遠,因為台東房價很高我們從去年內政部的不動產資訊平台看到我們台東平均每坪是19.1萬那是2011年的時候同時期它是15.83萬三年期間都升了10%而且這個只是平均,事實上又更高那當然這邊很多是外地的投資客進來投資因為我們台東其實它的收入並沒有那麼高所以越來越來買房 |
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不只台北人買不起房,連東部的年輕人他都買不起房。這個原因還是因為台東市主要的人口聚集還是在台東市區,他的腹地有限。腹地有限,然後將這幾年通膨物料上漲,人力成本大家都蓋起來,所以買房已經是對台東人來說是很遙遠的一個夢想了。從上面知道土地是最重要的一個因素,所有一切土地是固定一切。 |
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請問市長未來有沒有計畫跟我們台東縣政府以及人口居住密集最高的台東市跟卑南鄉來一起做擴大都市計畫的通盤檢討? |
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謝謝委員指教那首先針對房價的部分也要跟主席跟各位委員報告我們在房價的因為房價其實是因為經濟這幾年高度成長所以他有一些大概有動資金的狀況市長那個啦土地土保運啦現在請到土地保運 甘有米啦甘有那個幾位啦 |
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有,我們會請內政部、國土署這邊我們會去做都市計畫檢討但是相對來講也跟委員報告縣市政府必須優先提出你們的都市計畫因為我們是二級次的我們需要先由縣發動 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案件事項、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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非難文化公園的周邊像台東市的非難女人房裡也是人口非常密集的地方因為 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條文修正草案案案件事宜,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案案件事宜,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案案件事宜,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案案件事宜,不動產估價師法部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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針對我們黃建斌委員麻煩請問主席這個是會要請市長跟我們文化部這邊來討論一下周邊的排水設施因為這個問題困擾這邊的居民已經20年那現在降雨狂降雨情況越來越多的情況下這情況一段一直不斷不斷的發生這部分我們要請市長來討論一下另外我們回到就是說 |
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主席再給我一點時間,我想請教的是我們的副署長我們現在台東國產署的人力配置有多少? |
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委員好是,副長我們台東現在台東辦事處的人力配置有多少?因為最近我們有請徵人力那大概院裡面有合給我們大概24個約聘人力那我們最近有在討論會針對台東辦事處人力不足的這部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4901.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
兩天的事本期從當代表會主席到鄉長到現在當立委這個情況都沒有改變我回去的時候都會收到很多很多的陳情案件我們現在光是去年收到的續註案件就三千件前面還沒有結案的包括未來新的案子進來它一直不斷的在累積累積我跟你講一個現實際的問題因為老農 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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人力不夠衍生的問題非常非常的多那我相信我們在應該去年就有一個新的一個土地的一個作業系統的開啟嘛那這個問題更可以縮短一到三個月的作業時間是不是那目前的成效好不好 |
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有關就是我們非公用財產的一個處理的這部分大概呃我們都是會按時來督導我們所屬的一個辦事處他的一個辦理的一個期程吶那本是要幫基層的原理講一下真的 |
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台東縣這麼大人力這麼少每一場你都要到會館親自到嘛那個真的對他們負擔也很重對民眾影響也很大所以這部分是請副處長再研議增加人力這一塊還有讓整個效能夠提升副處長可以嗎這部分我們都已經有注意到而且這一次的人力請證的案24個約聘人力的這部分我們針對我們台東辦事處的人力我們也多於配置 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4995.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
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董事長,請教一下,請問你今天早上吃什麼?為什麼不回答?是在藐視國會嗎? |
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現在是在反質詢嗎?為什麼可以否決我的提問呢?所以你早上是吃三明治還是吃漢堡? |
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你確定嗎?有沒有講錯?有沒有虛偽陳述?三明治還在我辦公桌上那就是還沒吃嘛那你還沒吃你說你吃了那你就是虛偽陳述虛偽陳述照國民黨跟民眾黨的版本如果禮拜五他們刑法修過了不好意思你要關一年你會因為你沒有正確的答出你的早餐吃什麼而被關一年 |
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所以我要講的就是昨天其實在院會我們通過這25條照國民黨跟民眾黨通過的這個版本沒有反質詢的定義也沒有所謂藐視國會的定義就這樣貿然通過的版本沒有任何實質審查會有多恐怖會讓我們的官員成日就這樣在恐慌當中他不知道該怎麼答他連早餐要吃三明治還是漢堡都沒有辦法回答 |
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這就是我們現在通過如此荒謬的法律所以希望藉這個機會讓大家知道不好意思次長第一天來就嚇到你讓你不知道要怎麼回答但是因為昨天我們在國會發生了這樣非常荒謬的一個法律的通過現在已經二讀了所以我必須要讓大家知道我們現在進行的這個藐視國會罪是多麼多麼荒唐的一件事情好謝謝次長你可以先回座了我今天其實不是要問你 |
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議長再補充一下依照剛剛如果這樣子他藐視國會我們在場有五位委員連署送院會決議就可以通過你就要被送辦了你要嘛就是罰個20萬而且還罰10萬然後可以連次處罰如果你剛剛連續答錯從三明治到咖啡到漢堡 |
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如果你每一個都覺得你答錯不好意思我是可以連續處罰你的所以這就是這個昨天通過的這個法律的事情好再來我要請教一下經管會有嗎經管會相關的人員是專委嗎經管會專委專委請教一下 |
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今天我想要請教的是因為其實今天的這個法律的通過要提升我們不動產估價作業的一些助理的權益然後重點我希望還是放在就是這個不動產估價作業的獨立性我想問一下說我們現在這一次這個助理員的素質的修法方向您認同嗎 |
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是不是因為昨天這個二讀通過大家都有點害怕最後都只敢講說尊重大院的決議其實我還是希望聽聽我們經管會專業的建議你先不用擔心這個法律我們會努力的讓它不要用這麼荒唐的方式進行我還是希望聽到你們專業的建議而不是因為這個法律如果照國民黨跟民眾黨版本通過導致說我們官員每個人都只敢說尊重大院尊重大院那在這邊的質詢就沒有意義了 |
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經管會的立場確實是尊重這個大院的一個決議那這個助理員的一個資格的提升確實是有利不動產的一個估價所以我們尊重好 謝謝那當然我覺得這是一個好的方向那我主要想問的是因為接下來其實我們在不動產估價師全聯會有發布一個就是金融機構設定抵押權之不動產估價報告書的範本 |
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以及估價的原則就是希望提供我們銀行估價過程的客觀性跟獨立性所以我想要請問的是我們經管會支持這樣的方向嗎因為其實現在大家比較詬病或者是覺得會比較存疑的說因為我們現在國內的銀行都是內部自行估價所以呢如果他可以一手見價一手放款一條龍的完成所有核貸的流程就會被大家說 |
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質疑是不是有一些詐貸、抄貸的這些事情然後影響我們的公正客觀性所以我想問一下經管會對於這樣的事情就是接下來我們不動產估價的過程的獨立性、客觀性有沒有任何的建議以及說現在銀行內部他們這樣自行估價、自行減價、自行放款的公正性您覺得如何? |
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目前其實銀行他在做建價的部分是依據銀行法三十七條他要去核實的建價那銀行內部針對徵信跟授信是由不同的單位跟人員來去做徵授信的一個審核跟核代那相關的部分是有一些獨立性那在內控上面也有內部集合的一個要求 |
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三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十 |
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請教的是說我們現在因為不動產估價師全聯會有發布一個這個不動產估價的管理規範的原則針對估價人員獨立性專業性都有提供相關的指引然後呢現在還有這個原則是不是有機會讓他成為委外估價的法制化的作業或者是說現在現行的機構下我們要如何提升這個不動產估價作業的獨立性跟客觀性這個我覺得才是最重要的 |
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我們這邊還是強調說這個不動產的估價的話銀行他還是要依照他的一個業務屬性跟一個案子的一個需求去做一個評估啦好 那我當然希望經管會還是要進行相關的這個監控啦就是不要讓這個公正性跟獨立性被抹煞好 謝謝好 謝謝感謝黃姐委員來接受我們這張紅綠委員 |
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誒,我請這個董事長來,偵測來,次長是其實我們今天這個啊齁,不動產估價師這個啊齁 |
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其實以前大家對不動產估價師可能比較印象比較沒有那麼深但其實現在其實我們有很多公務部門也都是需要也跟這個不動產估價師他們有合作的機會吧是對嘛所以啊 |
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這個不動產估價師啊,其實已經是一個越來越專業的一個行業了吧?對,沒有錯。蛤?是。沒有錯嘛。對啊,所以啊,我個人是覺得啦,所以說這個不動產估價師,他們如果要有像今天的修法,如果說他們要有助理的,你們的認為是如何? |
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跟委員報告本部認為相關的提案其實是非常合理我們競表同意另外我們今天還有要修土地法我想請問一下市長有沒有聽過神明的土地被拍賣 |
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有沒有聽過神明的土地被拍賣?因為我們現在有一個地級清理條例那如果早期有些登記在神明或是神旗的名下的土地我們會進行清理你回答我的問題有沒有聽過神明的土地被拍賣登記在神明名下的早期土地會 |
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有這種情況有嘛對不對對啊啊這個可能很多人覺得很奇怪啊怎麼會有神明的土地被拍賣對不對可是你要知道 |
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以前從以前有很多人他把土地捐給寺廟捐給什麼那他捐給誰以前的人也沒有我們以前的年代也沒有這麼多相關的法規啊那我捐給誰啊我捐給天上聖母我捐給土地公這間廟就是他們然後以前呢也沒有我們這些財團法人規定也沒有什麼董事會什麼的他土地就登記什麼 |
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登記這一個廟啊這個廟欸他的祖神是什麼那時候土地就寫上他的名字了對不對是那好啊那些問題來啦我們土地清查之後啊歷史的問題他今天他有很多一兩百年前了他的後代也不知道去哪裡了有的也沒有管理委員會有的也沒有董事會什麼都沒有 |
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那我們土地清查之後咧問題出現了啊他沒有辦法去完成登記啊結果咧神明的土地就要被政府拍賣 |
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市長你覺得這合理嗎?這好像我們要去清查這個土,我是支持的,我也認為應該要做的。可是這個歷史是這樣,我們就一定要這麼硬梆梆的,然後就照這些規定來,結果造成神明的土地被拍賣。 |
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委員提到這個部分那我們會特別注意因為土地清查是國家非常重要的政策但是涉及到相關的一些民間習俗跟一些權益的事項那我們會特別注意然後看未來 |
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再跟委員請議,是不是有什麼樣相關的方法我們來做修正。 |
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我覺得啦這個第一陣子也跟委員補充一下齁因為這些土地的部分就像委員講時代非常久遠所以清查這個工作我們都一定特別要求那如果在飆售因為有些土地的部分如果有寺廟或是神明的那個相關的關係人有出面的話他也可以申請暫緩飆售那這些土地的活動在處理上會非常慎重我跟你講啦 |
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你講這些齁,我也不能說你錯啦。啊你就是照法令啦。齁,很多事情,我我覺得是要這樣啦齁,不知道製展你想想看齁。來。我們啦,這樣對於這些神明會的第幾的清理這一些啊,我們應該要提供啊,專案輔導的協助。你認為合不合理? |
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我想委員的建議這個部分我們可以部內先來討論我們也跟再會再去跟委員請議你們要討論什麼那都是我都尊重你覺不覺得 |
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要以專案來輔導來協助如果沒有你請迪森斯回答這個部分我們會請縣市再了解一下現在神明會的土地登記的情況是怎麼樣我們來做一個專案的一個來做一個調查看那個他們還有什麼不足的部分需要協助的部分我跟你講啦大概就是我跟你講啦他們齁如果沒有原始規約啦 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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誰要回答如果是你們家你們拿得出來嗎現在這些土地的話有關於神明會的組成都是跟地方的民政來申請那可能有些史料或地方的文獻可能會有一些記載的部分現在有些也是透過這些旁證的資料來做一個佐證所以這個可能要看個案我跟你講不要再講什麼個案什麼的啦齁 |
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我跟你講啦 這個問題齁 我認為齁 應該是要處理的啦齁 文史工作者都可以去走齁 這些寺廟怎樣 你們要寺廟什麼要把人家變成古蹟都可以去盡量找資料 找什麼然後把他變成古蹟 |
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那像這種呢?為什麼不行呢?就是有一個態度而已啦。我覺得是態度要拿出來解決這個問題啦。這些東西也不是個人財產。我們根本不用擔心是肥了誰嘛。那如果有了這個之後,你應該去要求我政府如果給你這些,讓你可以繼承這些財產。 |
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規定他不能登記私人你必須要有設立你的管委會或是董事會這樣問題都解決了沒有任何一毛錢掉到誰的口袋裡替神明解決問題你才能國泰民安我覺得應該是要這樣而且像現在有很多的土地很多的寺廟他其實他座落在國有土地上 |
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他坐在國有土地上,我們的國有土地不應該是這麼一個嚴格的標準。我國有財產署啊,我的土地不能賣啦,我的土地不能這樣啦。 |
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市長只要是現有的寺廟不是要新的只要是現有的那你國有土地你就不應該你們要去跟國有參與局去協調不應該這麼硬梆梆的嘛我們是替神明解決問題不是替個人替台灣的信仰政治任務每次都要去廟裡拜拜都不幫神明解決問題我覺得市長 |
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應該成立一個專案的小組來解決這個問題啦我覺得如果你可以把他這個做好 我跟你講 新名也要替你報筆啊好 我們會 謝謝委員的指教 我們會回去研議另外也跟委員報告 國有土地上的相關東西是不能飆售的也跟委員報告我剛剛講的嘛 |
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如果是每個人都要照法條來做事那還請你們來幹嘛我就一台電腦在這邊按下去法令不行的都全部不要來啊你們來是要來解決事情不是來叫你們看法條要解釋法條我跟你講找一個這個特別會念書的以後用個AI來當部長AI來當次長不就好了 |
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對不對我覺得我剛講的那個前提是這些事情都沒有任何一毛錢留到私人的口袋阿你要替台灣所有的寺廟去解決這個問題阿我覺得這是一個態度嘛 對不對次長是我們會再研議你們會再研議你剛剛說你要說阿現在又要再研議我認為阿 |
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你們應該照我說的去處理一個專案然後處理這些事情那你說要多少時間我也不敢說你們要多少時間畢竟這太複雜了但你們應該要去成立一個這個好不好好 謝謝我們張宏立委員的執行 謝謝好 那下一位我們請劉勳廷委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席吼 這個內政部次長有請好 請我們次長 謝謝次長早安吼不用擔心吼 我不會問你早餐吃什麼吼我想吼 這個國會議員吼 如果用這種私事然後要來講什麼藐視國會這個社會大眾也絕對不會接受這個在內部行程吼 調查小組的時候也絕對不會成立啦吼 這我想是基本上是屬於常識 |
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所以我們還是不要浪費時間再去扯這些東西今天我們討論了不動產估價師修法土地法修法的一些相關的一些法條的修正大體上對於這些我們立法院好同事提出來的修法意見本席原則上都同意希望透過這個下午的法條討論的過程 |
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能夠做一個更清楚的說明但是常常我們都透過一些法令的修正大概去了解一些公共政策的一些背後的一些背景跟一些形成的一個現象我們今天看到這個蔡易餘委員提的土地法七十三條之一講說是未辦繼承的土地到最後就由國家來做標授那標授的時候希望他是基於希望促進土地整合提高這個利用的機率也避免說這標授之後變成代替他沒辦法去使用等等一些現實上的問題所以他希望擴大這個通知範圍 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 |
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七十八萬六千三百五十七幣,總面積大概有一萬七千多公頃。接近1.8萬公頃,非常好,資料準備非常詳細,這加起來比金門縣的面積都還要大。而未辦理氣塵的建屋面積65萬坪。那為什麼會這樣? |
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我想這個繼承的原因有很多啦第一個包括說不知道祖先有留下來的那個然後再來就是說繼承人本身有眾多的不同的意見那還有他的座落的位置複雜然後不容易整合那或者是價值太低那沒有辦法充分利用等等這些原因 |
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其實我們常常在基層上常碰到的狀況是其實第一個就是人口眾多難以整合啦是第二個就是不知所蹤嘛人不知道要去哪裡去國外啦或是怎麼樣怎樣一直久於聯絡這些都是常常遇到的狀況 |
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那就本席的了解你這個要繼承一塊土地尤其是很多子女的一個情況之下要先有一個人出來辦繼承登記嘛讓這塊土地變成所謂的共同共有的一個情況然後大家再來做分割嘛對不對但是即便是這樣我們已經盡量簡化了先有一個人來辦我們在後續的程序變簡單但還是有這麼多的土地沒有辦法好好的進入大家理想中的這樣一個規範顯示即便這一個人要願意先站出來辦繼承登記其實客觀上的難度都蠻高的 |
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市長這一個人要來辦繼承登記的時候他要經歷哪些手續哪些程序跑哪幾關沒問題基本上一個人可以幫所有繼承辦公同共有不過他就還是要報稅然後報完稅以後要就是立一些書面文件然後再送地政事務所辦登記對好書面文件來對不對而且你剛剛提到幾個概念第一個繳錢嘛這天經地義沒有這沒有問題第二個準備書表文件對不對哪些書表文件 |
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計程系統表、申請書、稅單因為它是幫別人辦所以只要清澈比較簡單一點所以要跑戶政機關、稅務機關然後要把這些資料交給地政機關對不對這是本期今天關心的題目啦其實這件事情講的簡單恐怕實際上第一線在做起來蠻麻煩的 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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所以我覺得是不是內政部這邊來做一下你內部的這個跨部會的一個整合跨機關的一個整合這個戶政跟地政先做橫向聯繫都在你們內政部的範圍之內嘛那稅務當然是財政系統下面這我們理解但戶政地政先做橫向聯繫哪些資料可以透過書表文件線上填寫雲端共享甚至讓他不用跑林櫃辦理是不是可以研擬相關的方案來做這樣子的這個 |
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降低他的負擔這第一個這部長願不願意花一點點時間做一下研究主席跟委員報告謝謝委員推詢其實相關的數位雲數位櫃台我們已經在做了那也謝謝委員的質詢讓更多人知道這件事情我們會大力去宣導 |
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第二個是剛剛我們就講稅的部分當然今天因為相關單位沒有來列席那我們就姑且討論一下就是說現在的狀況就是說我要先按我要先這個我來辦紀念登記的時候我要先處理我的印記分他的遺產稅款嘛他如果這一塊土地有什麼違規使用什麼你要繳罰款、自納金啊、利息啊以及等等對不對那有繳錢的問題 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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因為這個土地所有權是私權,私權就有所謂所得稅的問題,或者是土地所有稅的問題,我們基於社會公平正義才是需要做的。我同意,基本上當然稅是要繳的啦,但是一樣,我希望這一部分也比照戶政跟地政的橫向串聯,看有沒有一個相對簡單的一個機制來處理,目前有沒有一些研擬的方向? |
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跟委員報告這個目前已經有在做了而且只要民眾繳完稅以後我們事實上他不用拿去拿稅單來我們這個地政機關在現場事實上就可以知道透過我們地政跟我們的稅管這間單位我們聯繫我們就可以勾結他有沒有繳稅繳完稅以後那我們就可以讓你辦基層所以事實上是不需要 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件中的負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員或負責人員 |
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一、一樣回到我們剛剛那個問題就是說大家最後都沒有人願意去先做那個第一個人去辦那個登記計程對不對那是不是有這個機會就是說我如果暫時沒有能力或者是不願意繳納的時候我是不是也有可能用註記的方式先處理但是我不要耽誤相關辦這個登記的行政流程這我只是請教我們做一下對話做一下交換的意見 |
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有沒有機會還是把這個程序走完了但是因為你沒有繳納遺傳稅跟相關的稅款你當然是不能做後續的分割跟處分嘛對不對這個絕對是鐵律啦這個我完全願意接受但前面是不是有必要一定要把它處理完你才能辦這個這個登記計程這個行政流程這件事我覺得可以討論一下對啦按照目前的稅法是一定要先繳清這個稅對你才有辦法完成這個程序嘛你才有辦法完成這個所有權的遺傳嘛 |
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對,那這個部分我想我們可以再跟那個稅法單位來研議看看。 |
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好啦沒關係這個題目其實蠻複雜的但是大方向我們是希望簡正便民嘛讓這個東西可以先把複雜的行政流程簡化讓大家的意願提高你才有辦法從根本嘛我們鼓勵這個私有的事應該私有來處理而不是通通等在政府飆售其實是不太對的但是簡化流程護證機關、力證機關的串聯稅務的部分看有沒有一些調整的方法 |
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如果沒有辦法那也只好把話講清楚但無論如何串聯的工作希望內政部這邊來加強處理把這個問題解決掉可以嗎?謝謝委員的資訊那本部的部分我們會先勾結很棒謝謝市長好謝謝我們牛心團委員的資訊謝謝那下一位我們請習宇臻委員 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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請問一下吃早餐有可能會是重要的關係事項嗎?我們尊重大院的權責 |
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為什麼要用這種誤導民眾的方式來去讓大家覺得藐視國會罪好像是吃個早餐講錯了或是記錯了就會被變成藐視國會我覺得這個要誤導民眾非常非常事實上在這邊是我覺得是非常不需要的方式我覺得我們應該回歸這個藐視國會到底是什麼樣的重要關係事項來討論如果說因為吃早餐講錯了而被判藐視國會罪的話這種國會也可以廢掉了 |
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另外我想請教部長昨天在中捷發生了隨機砍人案 |
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也就是在北捷隨機感染的這個10週年的當天那因為10年前發生這樣子的這個北捷這個隨機殺人案的時候因為當時因為捷運警力不足的關係當時內政部就有說要針對這個部分要來做一個檢討請問一下現在對於針對這10年來有沒有做了什麼樣的改善謝謝委員吹訊那我是不是請警政署的同仁來做回應 |
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有關於針對於我們捷運車廂等等的部分在這幾年我們 |
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持續在加強員警的教育訓練面對整個車廂如果發生劣勢這種案件的時候我們可以同仁如果去應變跟即時處理另外在平常勤務的部分我們都會有除了像在鐵路警察局他們有護車隊以外像在其他的捷運處所或高鐵的處所我們相關重要站所都會有人同仁在定時會到車廂去做巡邏 |
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現在的問題是我們現在政府在強力的推動TPAS希望大家多利用這個捷運系統但是昨天發生這樣的事情之後我們發覺現在搭乘大眾捷運交通的人非常的多但是遇到這樣的事情專是在中部地區 |
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如果現在我們的TPAS是不是還串聯可能是各個生活圈不同的所以說相對上人力就覺得更為重要所以說在這個部分本席就建議說如果假如跨越不同的這個縣市而且市權不同意的話到時候可能會互相去推諉各自的這個權限是什麼所以我覺得內政部是不是考慮應該成立一個TPAS的警察隊專門管理大眾捷運系統的乘客 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案件事項》案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |
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另外請請教一下我們針對土地法第十四條的規定就民生古蹟土地不得為私有那現在要修法讓行政法人跟公營事業單位可以登記民生古蹟的土地行政法人和公營事業單位是由政府出資捐助成立或者是直接掌控本席想請問這兩個機構算不算私有就法律體力來看修正這一條合適嗎請法務部廖參事說明 |
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委員好那依照土地法的規定他的所謂的公有的土地指的是國有還有直轄市跟縣市政府跟鄉鎮就是地方自治團體所有那行政法人跟國營事業並不屬於土地法所列的這個公有的土地啦所以我想他這樣的一個規範有跟公有土地做差異性的規範 |
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所以說修正這一條您覺得合適嗎?政策的部分我還是尊重主管機關這邊我是說法治上它不屬於公有土地所以它的制定是有它的差異化的這個價值 |
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好 那請教一下針對這個部分的話待會請教次長一下就說因為民生古蹟的土地不得為私有那但是呢在我們的文資法第二條有規定文化資產的保存維護宣揚跟權利的移轉是依本法之規定但是呢因為土地法是歸我們這個內政部那文資法是歸文化部那請問一下針對民生古蹟的權利的移轉到底要依照哪一個法令辦理 |
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針對民生古蹟相關的法的權益,我們基本上是基於法人及國運事業為公共事務所成立的,為國家所掌控。所以在土地上的使用基本上還是歸國家所有。但是古蹟的最終的管理權跟使用權是由文資法,依文資法來處理。我們法令上是很明確。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案件。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。 |
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謝謝委員垂詢那委員所提醒的我們會注意那也跟委員報告古蹟及名勝等相關的重點重要據點依文化資產保護法會由文化部做最終的裁決相關的文化資產或者是古蹟不得任意破壞也是由文化部在文資法裡面明定我們一定要遵守法令的規範即使是行政法人或國營事業也不得違背文資法 |
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謝謝委員提醒 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席。本席想請內政部次長、法務部參事、衛福部心理健康司檢政記者。 |
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三位好本席今天我們在這個委員會來討論有關不動產估價師部分條文的修正那今天最重要就是提到第八條第一項的一到四款特別是針對第二款對於不發給撤銷或廢止開業證書的 |
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為了落實保障罹患精神疾病或身心障礙者的工作權益我看到內政部表示贊同司法院也表示尊重本席其實也是贊同這樣的修法方向但是如果說這第二款刪除的話可能會有一些疑慮 |
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本席想在這邊就教首先衛福部李季正難道沒有不動產估價師他的身心狀況已經達到無法執業可是又還沒有達到監護宣告跟輔助宣告的情況 |
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那這種情形如果我們第二條刪除的話那這種情形怎麼辦因為不動產估價師他一旦他的精神或身心狀況他在幫民眾處理這種不動產的時候那這個糾紛你因為我們的法令這樣定所以最後就變成民間他們自己很多的爭執這個情況怎麼辦 |
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謝謝委員的催詢那有關於大院所訂的版本齁其實在其他相關的法律也有類似的立法例那目前對於這個身心障礙的這個 |
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相關專門職業人員法律規定有兩種立法例如果說專門職業人員執行業務結果會間接影響到當事人權益就會像會計司法、地政司法一樣把生意障礙的職業就刪除另外有一種立法例 |
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就是說會把什麼刪除?就不讓他執業嗎?對對對,就是類似今天的這個委員所提的版本,把這個第二款就做直接刪除。那有另外一種立法例,如果這個專門職業的...不是,我現在就是說第二款刪除了,那可是他還沒達到這個輔助宣告跟監務宣告,那這樣的情形他可以執業嗎?所以我就要跟委員報告說,還有另外一種立法提例,就是說如果他會 |
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直接影響到當事人權益的話現行的燕光人員法裡面他會做條文的修正是說如果他有客戶你現在講燕光人員可是我們現在我在講不動產估價師啊我是把他的立法的立跟委員做說明沒有沒有我不是立法的立我現在就針對不動產估價師你沒有回答問題但因為我時間不多請你用書面請你用書面回答接著本席想要請教法務部的廖參事 |
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家人申請監護或輔助宣告是為了本人的利益,不是為了公共或他人的利益。但是檢察官一申請監護處分是為公共或他人利益,對吧? |
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主席 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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你能扮演等於說對不動產估價師職業水準如果你能夠掌握他的職業的情況嗎那如果發生業務過失導致他人權益損害的時候誰來負起損害賠償責任 |
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現在我們會邀請相關指轄室或相關的縣市的主管機關會邀請專科醫師或組成小組來認定不是 因為這第二款刪除所以他已經就是你讓有狀況可是他的情況沒有到那麼嚴重可是他一樣會損害到人民財產的權益的時候那你誰來負責嘛你就甩鍋給民眾你們自己去協調 |
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跟委員報告我們可以參考律師法的第九條的規範那麼我們依據那個規範我們來做立法例的修正那在下午在討論的時候我們來跟委員報告好好那再來吼 |
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就是我們昨天吶發生兩件這個案件吼從新聞我們看到一個是台中終結我相信次長次長您這個雖然剛上任吼但沒辦法您今天來到來到我們委員會我還是要詢問 |
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昨天我們整個警政署這裡對於這樣的一個情形我們是不是有針對因為我們看到從102年到112年因為大眾交通工具戰場就在大眾交通工具的環境商人案件數、傷亡數、犯罪人數逐年增加越來越多 |
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警政署對於隨機殺人的犯罪模式專案評估,到底有沒有作出一個有效的預防方案? |
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請檢答是,委員好,針對隨機上展案件其實這十年來只發生過七件但這七件唯一在交通站體的部分只有一件而已那在這裡面的數字顯示的部分呢它這個是包含可能車站或周圍地區所以以112...所以你的意思是說因為件數少你們現在針對這個還沒有做任何的一個犯罪模式的評估 |
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包括我們一直有在評估也在進行所以對於周遭戰體周遭我們都請轄區要去加強巡邏另外我們在相關戰體譬如包含是像鐵路警察局或地方有捷運警察隊他本身在比較大的戰體都有駐警好沒關係反正昨天這種傷害已經發生了那再來昨天還有一個新聞就是有一個殺人未遂的 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案件事宣布校園停止開放,但是因為台灣是一日生活圈,他可能坐一個高鐵他就直接到高雄或到台中了。所以像這種情況我們到底這個警政署我們現在 |
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人民都生活在這種不安跟恐懼當中,不要說這種隨機殺人少,但是你一旦發生就沒得預防啊。是,跟委員報告,針對像這個在外的這個,就是屬於在治療中脫草的部分,它一旦發生之後,我們立即會發起臨訪機制,所以在發生的當下,所以這個逃脫兩天了,兩天還三天了。 |
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五月十九逃脫,今天二十二號了,所以你們現在抓到了沒?目前還在追緝當中,因為他行蹤也不斷的在轉換交通工具。你們在公共運輸系統整個的環境沒有得監控就對了? |
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7622.101 |
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有沒有考慮人臉辨識我們看很多電影都有現在科技很進步我們現在科技執法但是都是罰民眾這個非常遵守或者非常善良的老百姓但是這些暴露在生活環境中有危險因子的你們有沒有想辦法 |
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這必須法律所允許好徐委員謝謝徐委員時間已經超過三次謝謝徐委員的質詢謝謝各位官員那接下來我們請吳琪銘召委謝謝好主席我們一位同仁請我們內政部我們的次長董事長請 |
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好 社長好 社長因為今天吼我們不動產估價師的部分的修正條文吼的草案以及我們兩位委員所提出的土地法第十四條明定古蹟的土地不得違是有本席的認同那這還有一條是我們蔡易餘委員的七十三條之一的第三項那本席都是兩個提案本席都予以尊重 |
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那我請問社長因為齁他們兩位齁所提出來的土地齁都是有他的道理尤其呢很多我們的棋林地要公開拍賣但是齁周邊的比林地齁比林地很多都沒有沒有得到通知那會產生怎樣你繼承的絕對會通知得到但是比林地有很多都沒有辦法去通知 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具 |
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那委員所垂詢的有關於土地古蹟土地這部分本部競表認同因為那個公營事業跟法人基本行政法人基本上是由國家所任命或者是編制所以他基本上還是在法的實質上還是屬於國家所有國家在管制也就是全民共有的資產 |
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那剛才也跟幾位委員有報告過,古蹟的最後的認定跟處分是由文化資產保護法來規範,所以相關的古蹟並不得隨意的轉變,除非依據文化資產保護法有任何的變動。好的,好的。那針對我們蔡易餘的73條之一的第三項, |
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尤其我們比林地的通知,通知這個部分是不是我們國產署還有我們的地震師我們一定要趕快研究才不會說造成說有經罪 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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前台有7500座的寺廟有將近750公頃的土地因為當初沒有辦法完成寺廟登記所以有很多問題會影響自然人登記的問題然後在我們上一屆採用我們的建民登記 |
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7856.513 |
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就是目前第五條的規定申請期限只有兩年那現在這是比較急迫性即將在今年的6月9號就到期了 |
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提出修正同意可延續延長兩年。這點我請處長你來回答感謝委員的垂詢那有關於相關與自然法自然人登記這部分本部會再做進一步的評估那我們會依照委員的建議來審慎來討論看如何執行這樣子因為在 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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7919.164 |
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委員主席貴翁貴翁以前的問題我跟廟方都是持的對立嘛這是要改革全國才是廟的問題所以說因為本席現在所修正我們 |
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7926.434 |
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7942.44 |
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有兩千四百七十六經到我們113年4月底有登記的叫533家宗教提出不動產這登記所以說在這個部分我們來登記的這個數量還是還是沒有 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件件 |
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委員報告,相關的我們已經也督促那個相關縣市政府積極去推動辦理請他們行文給各宗教團體跟宮廟請他們趕快來進行登記因為到6月9號還有一段時間我們會強力去推動6月19號今天已經5月底了我針對那個委員講的延長年限這部分我們部內也會儘快來討論 |
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一定要快,今天已經二十幾號了,另外一段時間,這一定要很積極,我們趕快來促成啦,一全國的事業,大家都可以祈求保障啦,好不好?好,謝謝。謝謝吳琪銘召委,也謝謝我們次長跟官員,謝謝。 |
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張志仁委員張志仁委員張志仁委員不在我們下一位李柏毅委員好謝謝來我們有請次長董事長還有剛才警政署上來回應的是警政署的副處長那我們警政署同仁 |
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市長我稍等再請教你齁可是我剛剛對於警政署的回應我非常的不滿意齁我很嚴肅的說社會那麼矚目的案件來 警政署的同仁請你上前請你說明一下你是代表哪一個單位包括委員我是警政署刑事警察局的副局長刑事警察局副局長那你更不應該講這個話你說只有七件跟只有一件一件都不行啊 |
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為了要讓國人比較放心那也請你務必請全國的這個警察同仁辛苦一下趕快把這個人抓起來讓全國國人放心好謝謝你請回請回座董事長是你 |
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我們算舊事了齁那也很恭喜你來擔任內政部的次長你的前一任其實非常的難取代你前一任主導了台灣八年的住宅政策 |
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目前當然整個社會住宅的這些進度國人都還在關注那所以當然董事長你也非常的有信心對於整個接下來的社宅有你的想法跟理念那我也很期待我也想要多一點時間讓你講 |
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我先講我的針對今天我們召委所排定的這個不動產估價師的這個修正草案還有這些土地法那我針對不動產估價師的這一件我提出我的贊同的意見不動產估價師其實他在 |
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一般我們做這些房屋或房子的買賣的時候其實我們很不會去找到不動產估價師他通常發生在資產就是說親戚親族或者是公司法人在資產上面有疑義的時候必須要做相關的處分或討論的處理的時候我們會需要不動產估價師 |
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那不動產估價師他如果有狀況他直接影響到的是我剛講的這一些的直接的權益所以我的主張其實是為了不要讓需要不動產估價師的人 |
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去受到利害利益的損失那我會贊同這一個修法那但是我覺得內政部要處理的還有更多就是次長你的責任還更多你知道現在房仲業就是不動產經濟的廣告是什麼他現在的廣告就是 |
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為什麼要做這個廣告要讓人信任要讓在座你我要讓所有可能會要在不動產上消費的人要信任某某品牌某某品牌這個打品牌的形象這個是現在整個你在電視上也會看到的趨勢為什麼要打這個品牌的形象就是我不會讓你賣便宜我不會讓你買貴 |
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我會讓價格合理我會在公開透明的資訊裡面讓你去讓我們的民眾去買到合理的他想要一輩子的住宅這個是目前不動產經濟他們每個品牌都在打的廣告每一個品牌底下的每一位不動產經濟的職業人員也都在讓客戶去信任他的這個誠實度好 |
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我們也應該要在不動產經紀人的這個相關的這些法律裡面也有相關的約束這樣才對這樣才是會讓更多人可以幸福到我們其實政府有在為這件事情把關 |
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來,最後考驗一下董事長的功力了齁董事長你從高雄市政府離開到現在也大概半年的時間一年多了齁,很快你在高雄市政府的時候擔任的是對媒體的工作那你現在來到內政部,我想你對於高雄市的相關的社會住宅的政策一定也非常的熟悉 |
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就高雄市的社會住宅目前還有哪一些空間你覺得還可以努力的那高雄市政府有什麼你現在在這個位置你認為你有什麼有哪一些區域你可以再跟高雄市政府來做這些社宅的這些新建的這些這些更多更多量的這些方式來市長給你一點點時間來講一下 |
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謝謝委員那也很感謝委員的指教我想國家對於社會住宅從過去你講高雄我們在高雄的這個部分其實我們已經在陳其邁市長任內已經有19000戶的社宅要興建而且已經對不起旁邊這位是地政司的你不用提醒他在高雄很熟來 |
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市長你繼續那我們這一萬九千戶的興建量正在逐步在完成那有一部分是由高雄市政府興辦有一部分會有注入市長你知道我的選區在哪裡嗎我知道左營好那你講左營左南地區的部分呢我們現在在左營已經有一個社宅的興建那我們未來也會在左南地區包括那個我們未來台積電所在的那周邊我們也會有一些相關的可能跟捷運一起的連開案 |
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來做一個興建這也是目前我們希望能夠推動的政策市長我跟你說你的前老闆陳其邁市長其實現在最也很希望推動的包含這個中油原本的宿舍區還有一些閒置的空間他對面也是台積電那如果內政部跟中油跟高雄市政府可以做這些相關的討論我希望市長可以趕快就這件事情來做進一步的推動 |
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委員指教,我們也會盡快跟高雄市政府還有跟中油來做商談。好,謝謝。好,謝謝我們李博義委員的執行,謝謝。好,下一位我們鄭天才委員,鄭天才委員執行完我們休息五分鐘,謝謝。 |
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董事長董事長董事長 |
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左列土地不得為私有不得為私有第一款海岸一定限度內之土地第二款天然形成之輻則而為公共需用者及其沿岸一定限度內之土地第四城鎮區域內水道輻則及其沿岸一定限度內之土地 |
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對於這個一定限度內重點就是一定限度內到底多寬多長。好,我們看這個土地法施行法土地法施行法第五條規定土地法第十四條第一款至第四款所謂一定限度由該管直轄市或縣市地政機關會同水利主管機關劃定之 |
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要跟次長說明你要跟地政司我第一次地政司你市長你上任之後也一段時間很長了吧很久了我第一次談這個這個土地法它是很久很久很久以前的法律非常古老的法律了 |
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就任何法律來講,它是古老的法律,包括土地法、私刑法也是一樣。為什麼要這樣說呢?因為早期定的不是那麼的符合中央法規標準法,更是不符合後來定的什麼呢? |
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立行政程序法。行政程序法是民國九十年才開始施行。所以相關很多的需要限制人民的權利,不得私有是限制人民的權利。本來是他土地,不得私有。 |
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所以這個一定限度內要有非常明確的法律的授權才對現在沒有啊就交給地方政府有沒有直轄市縣市政府會同水域主管劃定之所以都已經是不合時宜的法律了這個部分我講得很明確而且有法律的一個意義 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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內政部曾經參考海岸管理法海岸管理法是內政部的,是國土署的業務參佐海岸管理法的草案後來海岸管理法公布施行之後 |
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內條並沒有規定,被參考的並沒有規定。後來在立法院參讀通過,行政院甚至行政院送來的也都沒有那條草案的那條規定。所以這個部分是真的是需要去審慎的去檢討。所以這樣的一個情形之下,我的建議, |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案 案件及其中一條文修正草案 案件及其中一條文修正草案 案件及其中一條文修正草案 案件及其中一條文修正草案 案件及其中一條文修正草案案。 |
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結束之後看一下我的那個修正動議希望能夠予以納入這個部分是特別請市長來市長好不好那我們在下午在主條討論的時候我們會參考那個委員的意見那我們看如何怎麼樣來修訂也尊重大院的決定好謝謝謝謝好謝謝我們鄭天才委員的執行謝謝好那我們現在休息五分鐘謝謝 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。四、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。五、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。六、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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次長好 |
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我想對於次長新上任有很多業務的推行還有一些時間所以剛開始的時候我想可能會把一些基本上面的態度跟政策的方向一方面就教於次長一方面可以希望可以了解賴清德總統新內閣他的想法 |
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賴清德總統在就職演說的時候有提到有關於社會住宅的部分要延續、要擴大那我的理解是次長是承接花敬群前次長的職位對吧是好 |
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因為在整個競選的過程當中當然賴清德總統說百萬的社宅但這可能是一個過度簡化的說法我們如果進一步把它具體的看應該是整理出來的表格這個樣子包租貸款17萬戶新建13萬戶租金補貼不少於10萬戶那這樣子加起來的話大概可以有40萬戶是這樣嗎? |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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能夠達成我相信大部分的民眾都能夠理解但在實踐這個政見或者是政策的過程當中我覺得比較實事求是的來看這些數字而不是用政見式或者是開支票式的方式來看這些數字可能對於我們實現居住正義的價值會更有意義我相信次長應該也可以認同 |
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感謝委員的指教我們會努力去達到這些目標因為有提供一個合理安全的住宅其實是國人的期望我接下來要說的 |
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就不要把它聽成是我在當蔡英文總統吐槽我基本上沒這個意思因為每一個總統每一任的總統每一任的部長每一任的次長基本上在他職位上面有他們應該要承擔的責任 |
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但我覺得新的政府應該要在這個基礎上面記取過去的教訓才能有辦法有智慧的掌握未來我為什麼這樣子說我接下來帶市長看因為您承接花敬群市長的職位去年賴清德總統在競選總統的過程當中接受到提問的時候針對社會住宅興建12萬戶打標了嗎? |
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他的回答是說我們等到520再看看新建跟完成發報的有沒有到12萬戶那次長就您的了解有到12萬戶嗎?跟委員報告我們截至今年4月底為止我們直接新建的社會住宅發報大概已經達到10萬6千多600多戶那今年年底我們渴望達到12萬戶您看的這個表是我看的這個表嗎? |
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那你那個數字是怎麼加的?可以說明一下嗎?因為我剛剛聽到你說10萬戶4月30號我有點驚訝 |
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我們基本上是以那個目前齁紀永興開工興建中以絕標帶開工的小紀是五萬兩千八百四十五戶這應該沒錯吧對我們大概在最後那個小紀的那個部分有十萬戶嘛那這是包含紀永興開工還有興建跟絕標帶興建的你是把地方加進去欸但請你看中央啊 |
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中央那一欄是多少?是21913吧?是52845吧?啊你怎麼會把途方的加進去呢? |
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我跟委員報告相關的設宅從之前的政策開始都是中央補助地方興建有相關的補助款所以你所謂的達標不是指的中央直接興建是中央加地方是嗎?對沒有關係那第二個有中央直接興建的數字有中央直接興建的數字其實已經完工的4672戶 |
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有2907戶是從林口市大運移過來的這個沒有錯嘛這個不是住都中心自己蓋的嘛那第二個有1,173戶是從台塘公營學院過來的嘛這也不是住都中心自己蓋的嘛所以大概現在目前已完工的大概三類啦第一個就林口市大運第二個從台塘來的 |
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事實上是大家非常重視的事情那第二個部分我希望能夠務實地看現在的狀態非常務實地看現在的狀態這樣子我們希望4年以後8年以後能夠達標我看的主席不好意思最後30秒就結束您看一下齁上面有一些完工的日期預定是在今年的5月31號5月31號5月31號 |
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這個是我最新截圖下來的應該沒有錯啦有看到嗎?像江翠好事、懷石好事、玫瑰好事對嗎?那我希望這個網站上面的資訊齁要能夠忠實客觀我為什麼這樣說好了我很快秀這個是江翠好事5月31號昨天的狀態照片長這個樣子這個是昨天我請同仁去拍的齁 |
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那它上面貼的這個綠色的施工現場的公告預定完工的日期其實是在2027年的4月5號這也是昨天現場拍的照片懷石好市也是本來預定5月31號這個是昨天現場的照片要到2026年的8月29號第三個是玫瑰好市預定5月31號這也是昨天的照片 |
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上面的是2027年4月19日或許這個告示牌寫得比較悲觀一點實際的狀況我大概能夠取得最update的資訊就是去現場看以及它的施工告示牌那我希望我們的內政部在做這些涉財實際狀況的公告要符合現實的狀況因為如果沒有符合現實的狀況其實沒有意義 |
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因為大家去看說 今年吳琪又不要完工了 跑去現場看其實可能離完工還有好長一段距離我必須要說 這不是你的責任 |
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因為你520才上任那這個是可能前面殘留下來的問題但是既然您上來了新政府新的氣象我希望說未來有關社會住宅裝實數據的呈現這個部分希望能夠可以做好可以嗎感謝委員的指教我們會跟住宅中心聯繫確認相關的數字跟時間好謝謝好謝謝黃國昌委員的執行 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。 nouve議員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。第二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。第三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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主席 |
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好 次長 那我現在給你看一張圖齁那這個圖就是說常常都會看到一些房子那它前面可能被鐵皮圍籬或者是家的門口被立了電線桿那基本上這樣的狀況都會造成很多產權上的一個糾紛那這個產權糾紛就如同我在做早上在做這個提案說明的時候 |
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那很多狀況是來自於說因為他是無人繼承的一個不動產那這無人繼承的不動產他只要經過了15年沒有人去沒有繼承人去申請繼承登記的話那就會被這個國有財產署來做一個公開飆售 |
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公開飆售,依現在的規定,它是會公告公告在公所或者是公告在村裡又做公告的話,常常會讓土地的,就是說它的林地林地所有權人,他們沒有辦法去查知道 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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沒有開發就變成說他的房子又一直窩在計劃道路的後面那這個計劃道路有可能他是屬於私人的那一旦發生了這個繼承的狀況然後公開飆售出去之後就造成了說整排的房子整排的房子前面都因為計劃道路去第三人飆去了然後這個第三人就用了好幾倍 |
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甚至我有聽過已經開了超過五倍的價格要求說好那簡單啊你就把我這一塊土地把它前面的那部分你就把它賣掉然後就會造成很多人會因此去受傷所以我才會提案來 |
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希望說怎麼改變這樣的狀況呢?就是我們只要落實通知義務我們只要把林迪的所有權利我們告知他這塊地有賠償然後讓他趕快去做他自己權利的一個評估 |
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那我想要請教次長那對於我剛剛的這樣的一個說明因為我看到你們今天是認為說因為林地所有權他並不是優先購買權人但是我今天並不是為了他有沒有優先購買權我只是要讓他知道 |
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他周邊的土地會被拍賣的這一個事實然後好讓他可以預先做好他自己未來可能會遭遇狀況然後他是否要在這個拍賣的程序中去出手那這個是我的一個建議然後我想請教市長對我這樣的一個修法你的看法呢 |
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感謝委員的垂詢我想本部基於全責那在由地政司跟相關的全責單位我們都做研議過事實上我也承認那委員所提的這個的確是在一定程序上面我們有看過類似的案例但是我們可能比較期待的是說本部會加強我們相關的行政作為就是透過行政作為的方式在這個土地因為我們現在有公告三個月等等這些程序 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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那個在行政負擔上面真的是會引起很大的壓力但是委員所告知的這個事情是的確是民怨我很了解那我們會期待說是不是在下午協商的時候我們進一步跟委員討論我們如何在強化行政上市長因為我剛剛有聽王美惠委員稍微跟我分析他說這個如果是在都市的大樓 |
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大樓的話其中一個池分一個部分被拍賣那它比鄰地那要通知又要通知那通知會沒完沒了會通知到那個涵設的效率又太大所以我剛剛也有稍微思考一下那如果我們把它限縮那它是整個地號拍賣的話才必須通知我們去把它做一個範圍性的限縮就是說我是整塊地 |
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議員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |
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造成這些比靈地的人他因為沒有被通知然後他受到傷害的時候他會甚至去公所提起訴訟然後去後續的狀況會延伸一堆那所以這是我以上一個建議那我希望下午如果在做條文討論的時候我們可以有 |
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有效的可以解決這樣的方式,好不好?本部感謝委員的提案。委員所有的建議其實對於解決土地的明末其實還有那個民怨非常的重要。那我們下午的時候會積極跟委員在做溝通。我們看如何從不同的作為上面,特別行政作為上,去強化這件事情。我們也會跟國產署這邊合作。讓這件事情真的不要造成民怨。好,謝謝。謝謝我們蔡易委員的執行,謝謝。 |
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楊瓊英委員不在莊瑞雄委員不在林思敏委員不在鍾嘉斌委員不在丁學忠委員請執行 |
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主席好,感謝主席,我要請阿蘭次長。請我們董次長。謝謝。 |
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市長好委員好恭喜啊謝謝委員我們新內閣我們這個外交局長當然記者會有講過我們這個居住正義是一個重點是代表我們新議長對我們這個年輕人要去處這個問題因為是非常了解 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案 案件,三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件,三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件,三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件,三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件,三、審查委員林岱樺等 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案件事項》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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高房價、低薪水有可能造成年輕人不想成家的重大原因。希望新政府針對高房價、低薪水的過分要來重視。希望市長過去針對租屋的補助 |
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四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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因將來無法去委會處,我們請問他們的首次購屋,我們這個購屋的歷史,我們看要怎麼幫他們倒三天。這個國分市長,看市長有沒有認同。這給委員報告,謝謝委員的指教。我想高房價本來就是政府極力要避免的。我們在強化住宅政策、社宅政策還有租屋補貼都希望能夠讓大家有合理的房子可以住。 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案。」案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案。」案。 |
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三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 |
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我相信這部分我們內政部會跟其他部會一起來討論感謝委員的指教我相信讓年輕人一個安心可以大的地方大家可以安心睡覺真的國家的那個國力這是很重要的好,再感謝次長辛苦您感謝謝謝謝謝我們聽謝中委員的資訊謝謝下一位我們邱志偉委員邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在 |
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何新淳、何新淳、何新淳委員不在林子英、林子英、林子英委員不在 |
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除登記發言委員除不在場之外,其已經院發言完畢,審打結束。高津市美所提市面執行列入記錄刊登公報。市面執行合會答覆部分,請相關單位一周內以市面答覆並複製本會。 |
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那現在我們進行討論事項第一案第二案第三案法案審查請先讀條文請一併先讀先讀完畢後再進行協商那我們還有修正動議一併修讀一併先讀好謝謝 |
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不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案。第八條刪除第一項第二款,原第三四款,以列第二三款。第二項前段修正為依前項第二款或第三款註銷開業證書者,其餘同線型條文。 |
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增訂第18條之一不動產估價師事務所得聘僱不動產估價助理員協助不動產估價師執行不動產估價業務不動產估價師對於協助其執行業務之不動產估價助理員應三進管理監督之責增訂第18條之二簽條不動產估價助理員應具備下列資格之一一、不動產估價師考試及格者二、具不動產估價師考試應試資格者三、大專校院以上學校地震不動產與城鄉環境 |
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土地資源、土地管理與開發、都市計劃、不動產經營、資產管理、測量與空間資訊相關學系、竹所、畢業或獲取的不動產相關學程證明者。四、高等考試、地政、都市計劃、測量、製圖、直系考試及格者。五、本法中華民國一百十三年全日修正之條文施行前以協助不動產估價師實際執行前條第二項業務滿四年之在職騙僱員工 |
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不動產估價師事務所僱用不動產估價助理員因與僱傭關係開始或終止之日起時日內向中華民國不動產估價師工會全國聯合工會辦理登錄。第三第五款是在職聘僱員工不動產估價師事務所因與本法中華民國一百十三年全日修正之條文施行後一個月內以前項規定向全國聯合會辦理登錄。 |
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前日向不動產估價助理員登入事宜之辦理方式、書表格式及其他相關事項由全國聯合會定制並到中央主管機關被查。第46條增訂第二項本法中華民國一百十三年全日全日修正之條文自公佈後六個月施行其餘同線型條文。土地法第十四條 |
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爭定第四項行政法人及公營事業機構有經營或使用第一項第九款民生古蹟土地之需要並經中央文化主管機關認定古蹟土地已轉為其所有可駐於古蹟保存及維護者不在此限其與同先行條文。 |
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委員蔡易餘等17人提案第73條之一第三項前段修正為依第二項規定標註土地或建築改良入錢應供告三個月並書面通知繼承人及批林地所有人、攀乃土地持份人。其餘同現行條文。修正動議不動產估價師第八條 |
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第一項第二款修正為離患精神疾病或身心狀況違常經主管機關委請兩位以上相關專科醫師諮詢並經主管機關認定不能執行業務者其餘同線型條文。第十八條之二第一項第三款修正為大專校院以上學校畢業修避不動產及土地估價不動產法土地利用不動產投資與市場及不動產經濟等領域相關課程和計時學分以上。 |
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第五款後段修正為以協助不動產估價師實際執行前條業務滿兩年之在職聘僱員工。第二、三、四項之中華民國不動產估價師全國工會全國聯合會以及全國聯合會等文字修正為不動產估價師工會全國聯合會其餘同委員吳琪銘等17人提案。提案人委員麥玉珍等三人。 |
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第十八條之二,修正動議二。第十八條之二,第一項第五款後段修正為以協助不動產估價師實際執行前條業務滿四年之在職聘僱員工。齊一彤、委員吳琪銘等17人提案。提案人委員李博義等三人。 |
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修正動議三、第八條刪除第一項第二款原第三、四款一列第二、三款增訂第一項第四款有客觀事實足認其身心狀況不能執行業務經中央主管機關委請不動產估價師公會代表、學者、專家及二位以上相關專科醫師組成小組認定其與同現行條文提案人委員徐欣盈等三人 |
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第18條之二第一項第四款增訂財稅金融直系第五款後段修正為以協助不動產估價師實際執行前條業務滿二年之在職聘僱員工第三四項之全國聯合會修正為中華民國不動產估價師工會全國聯合會 |
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其餘同委員吳琪銘等17人提案提案人委員張志倫等3人 |
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土地法修正動議一、第十四條第三項修正為,符合下列情形之一者,不受第一項第九款規定之限制,依日據時其原屬私有、臺灣光復後登記為公有,依法得贈予遺傳為私有之民生古蹟。二、公營事業機構及行政法人有經營或使用古蹟土地需要,並經中央文化主管機關認定古蹟土地遺傳為其所有可駐於古蹟保存及維護。 |
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提案人委員吳琪銘等四人修正動議二第十四條增訂第四項第一項第一款至第四款有關一定限度之範圍及劃設應從其相關法律規定辦理無法律規定者另依法律定之其餘同現行條文提案人委員高金素美等四人宣讀完畢 |
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現在我們進行不動產估價師法主條討論首先進行第8條條文討論第8條有兩個修正動議有麥一貞委員還有徐欣盈委員我們第一頁跟第四頁大家看一下 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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行政委員、行政委員、行政委員 |
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本席修正動議主要是增加第四項因為刪除了原本的第二項那主要就是針對有一些人他可能還沒有到他的身心狀況還沒有到這個監護宣告或輔助宣告的情況但是實際上可能也不一定很適合職業所以我們特別加了第四項 |
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主要是這樣的一個宗旨,謝謝好的,謝謝許新宇委員提出的小政動議我們各位委員,大家的意見提出來然後再等我們行政單位來做一併的回答好,那現在我們就請內政部處長 |
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我們就針對我們的修正動議好不好那個修正動議這部分我是不是請市長做完整的回應好的好的好那個各位委員還有召委針對於今天第8條估價師法第8條的有兩位委員提的修正動議那我就重整來講我想委員提的這個修正動議也非常的一個合理那我們也參考了 |
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參考了近期的109年的一個律師法的一個修正的一個體力剛剛徐委員的一些顧慮還有剛剛麥偉珍委員提案的顧慮那針對這個部分我們參考一個目前最新的一個立法例的話我們把它建立修正為我想徐委員那個第四項我們是不是還是回來到第二項因為我們第二項沒有要刪除 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17 |
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不動產估價師專家學者組成小組來認定那為什麼我們這邊是直轄市縣市政府因為開業的這個證書是由直轄市縣市政府來來開這個證書所以我們這邊是用直轄市縣市政府可能跟學員說明一下 |
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除了專科醫師以外是不是在增加這個業不動產估價師也許他們工會會派人這邊來一起來討論然後再邀請一些專家學者我想這個目前的燕光司法也有這樣一個立法例 |
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第二案如經院會第二案如經院會第四案如經院會第四案如經院會第四案如經院會第四案如經院會第四案如經院會第四 |
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大概修正的數字大概在這裏那個徐委員大家我覺得內政部這樣應該OK啦我OK啦好啦你不用解釋那麼多立委都很聰明啦你不要我們就照你們的這樣就好了啦好不好好那我們第8條就照內政部的修正動議我們就來通過大家有沒有意見沒意見好那第8條我們就修正通過啦謝謝 |
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11541.165 |
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法定人數不足 |
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應該要有定義更加清晰。剛才我也在說事實上不讓查告公司查告書的助理完全代理不動產的查告的這款。但是書裡面我有一點疑問的就是另外一種我來講規定專業的人士要這些 |
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11593.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11608.346 |
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職業情愛照貴助力請求伙計書不請來看,咱不動產的草稿書,助力兩個都沒了。第18條之二我們現在討論第18條之一 |
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十八條之一 |
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主席,剛才我說的是不是可以來分析以我們的單位好,沒關係,好,每位你提出等一下我們再請行政單位回答然後我們18條之二有我們麥益臻委員還有李柏益委員,來柏益委員我提一下我的修正動議就是在第五項裡面把這個第二項三個文字把它刪掉 |
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11682.959 |
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很簡單就這樣謝謝好謝謝謝謝我們李博義委員那請我們張志倫委員好主席好各位官員大家早安我這邊有一個提出一個修正動議針對不動產估價師法第18條之二第一項第四款我希望在這個高層考試地震都市計畫 |
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11685.14 |
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11713.109 |
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測量製圖還要再加上一個財稅金融直系考試及格者加上一個財稅金融因為這個不動產估價師他稱賬到比較複雜的一些數學計算的方式而且本身我也是財經背景的我認為說很多財經背景的人他對這個不動產估價師他也蠻有興趣的而且很多人他是不動產估價師的執照也有會計師的執照也有所以我希望說在助理人員的部分可以把這個加進去供大家參考 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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那我的這個估價助理員的資格會不會被拿走因為我才工作兩年現在如果通過這個法條要滿四年我只有滿兩年那我就不是不是這個助理員的話其實會造成他們那個估價師事務所裡面的一個一個問題或是一些有些人的權益會做一個喪失的一個動作那我覺得滿一年可能大家覺得他的這個 |
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職業資格不是那麼的完備兩年我認為就很多的其他的法令來講是蠻OK的一個資格的所以拜託各位委員跟我們這個內政部這邊可以來做考量以上謝謝好謝謝我們張志仁委員的提案說明那我們修正動議我們的張志仁委員李柏毅委員麥益貞委員還有王美惠委員所提出我們現在請行政單位來做回覆 |
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好謝謝那謝謝各位委員吼那我這邊啊就根據啊幾位委員所提的這個啊修正動議我就一併把一款一款的來做一下一下來做說明啊那針對啊剛剛啊蔓依珍委員呢是有提到第一項啊18條之二第一項第三款啊第三款的話啊我們原本那個吳委員所提吳清平委員所提的就是用 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案件 。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案件 案件 |
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建議來做修正大專院校以上學校畢業修避不動產及土地估價、不動產法、土地利用、不動產投資與市場及不動產經濟等領域相關課程合計十個學分以上 |
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11899.9 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案件。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
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第三案如經院會第三案如經院會第三案如經院會第三案如經院會第三案如經院會 |
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11928.706 |
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11945.813 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案件。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。 nouve法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。第二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。第三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。 |
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三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案 案。二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案 案。」案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具 |
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11994.752 |
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第二項這個是做修正的一個文字那下面的第三項也是一樣做修正文字這個體力讓他跟後面的22條這整個估價師法裡面的體力是一樣是不動產估價師公會全聯會這個名稱在後面已經有了所以我們這邊就之前吳委員所提的這個 |
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12021.36 |
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二、審查委員李柏毅等17人擬具李柏毅等17人擬具李柏毅等17人擬具 |
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12074.839 |
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謝謝我也是想要問這個到底要滿幾年的部分因為其實在全聯會全聯會公佈的辦法好像是一年而有對那因為現在你們我們交委的版本是四年嘛然後我們現在有兩個修正動議的版本是兩年我沒有覺得哪一個好我只是覺得說這個評估的依據是不是還是請內政部提供一個目前業界大概是幾年比較怎樣的資格四年會不會 |
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12075.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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兩年跟一年的差異來,你們可以再講細緻一點。好的,謝謝王姐,先讓王美惠委員。主席,我認為我們今天可能討論的就是這個幾檔這個整個電力車,我認為要解決這個問題,我認為我們也不要太過草率,因為你剛才,你剛才說的4檔存50% |
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12116.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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你現在沒那麼多人一定要委託他助理去看嘛去了解去看回來跟他查過公司說他沒錢看要經營什麼行所以我們怕像剛才市長說的說你4天後存50%但是你不可以想到說4天後存50%很簡單的來解決這個問題所以剛才我的質詢就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案件事項》。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
12185.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
12187.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
12210.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
12211.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
12224.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
12238.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案件事項﹖一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項﹖一、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項﹖一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件事項﹖一、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件 |
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對,對,現在的估價助理這部分是要說估價助理啊認為兩檔齁,對不對不管是外業的這個查估、調查還是跟內業的整理、分析事實上兩檔一個養成訓練來講的話是足以來可以來當這個估價師的助理員所以委員拜託,我們有跟他合謀的,有溝通過的啦 |
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委員拜託啦因為問題好好解釋我們要教他們讓他們了解一些東西你也要花一點時間這包括說他要去實習他要去現地去了解因為問題課上面講的東西跟他實質上到現場去看他還需要一些經驗上的判準跟學習這個是要花一點時間你說一年我個人真的覺得因為我們自己當過學校老師 |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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12350.958 |
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業界的實際需要是一件事人才的培養我覺得這個要有經驗我個人認為我覺得兩年應該是差不多如果這個他很認真我覺得兩年應該是比較合理好那上次委員我提議兩年你提議兩年吳琪琪提議四年 |
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12352.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
12353.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
法定人數不足 |
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12368.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
12396.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
當然剛剛洪祿委員講的一年兩年四年各有各的考量現在應該是說這個不動產估價師他的助理好不好請好不好聘就是說300多個我們在這裡討論好像是感覺在各縣市可能高雄不到50個不到助理 |
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12397.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
12403.988 |
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二、審查委員蔡易餘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 案件,不動產估價師法部分條文修正草案 |
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那我不是反對但是我是就原本的這些職系裡面來講他在大學裡面幾乎是地政系然後或者是都市計畫系那或者是城鄉等等的跟財、稅、金融是完全不一樣的科別跟細別 |
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那這一方面剛剛只是說有這個因為我們這個原本在我們地政都市計畫測量裡面有財稅金融但是財稅金融裡面沒有都市計畫測量等等的這些直系所以這一方面是不是請市長也做這一方面的說明第四款 |
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請我們行政大會周昇明這個部分我來跟委員們報告就是說原則上我們希望是說透過不是只有指定相關科系而是修相關學分那也跟委員報告說現在在各大學裡面我們都主張就是對他們自己就有相關的科系第一個就是說他們自己 |
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協會就有這個規範那第二個就是說在各大學裡面也跟各位委員報告我們現在都有所謂的跨領域學習我們有很多綜合的課程所以委員也不用擔心以後我們這個法一旦通過這樣子大概相關大學就會自己去去合成相關的學程那鼓勵學生因為站在我們大學的立場就是我培養的孩子要有頭腦啦這個頭腦既然這麼重要有這麼多人需要一定有很多孩子想要養 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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因為我們學習土地的人有時候對於金融財務的管理沒有那麼清楚我們也會鼓勵他們去這些金融管理的相關的科系做學習現在許多大學大概都有設置類似這樣子的跨領域的學習那也跟委員報告我們現在還有那什麼A系進B系出的這太多規範所以這個都不用擔心他們的專業能力的學習這樣謝謝 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席 |
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及委員各個,因為現在我們還沒立這個制度以前,他們的不動產估價師,他們裡面就有一個不動產估價助理的一個管理辦法,他自己本身自己定的一個辦法裡面,他就把財務金融這個直系把它放進去了啦。 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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他要當估價師還是要另外考試不是他有這個他永遠他就是估價師這不是喔大家可能要先思考這一個那再來所以科系如果內政部認為也是OK我個人覺得就尊重內政部剛說的這一個 |
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二、審查委員麥一貞委員 |
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好 謝謝我們主席謝謝我們內政部這邊我們也是想要推兩年因為現在很缺人對 那個顧家思也專程來到我們民眾黨來跟我們說明所以我們也希望說就是兩年讓大家可以更多顧家思來去做這個行業現在很缺人所以以上報告 謝謝 |
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這個我必須要講這跟缺人是兩件事我們缺人缺人是一件事情有沒有缺人那是這個但要有一個專業剛剛內政部我認為兩年的時間來培訓 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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主席、審查會各位委員大家好法治局針對的第18條之二提供一些法治建議供請審查會參考第一個意見是有關於18條之二的第三款部分第三款部分目前修正的文字有提到不動產及土地估價那因為依照民法的規定它不動產就包含土地的部分所以是不是把這個不動產及土地估價及土地這三個字刪掉 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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五、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條條文修正草案》案。八、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條條文修正草案》案。 |
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具末都沒有摺字,那現行的第一款、第二款跟第四款都有摺字,那建議就是法制用語的體力是一致的,是不是把第一款、第二款跟第四款具末的摺字拿掉。嘿,以上建議。好,謝謝,謝謝我們法治局,謝謝。那請我們行政單位來做補充。剛剛那個法治局所提的意見,我們現在會再同意,因為不動產 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案件。三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案件。 nouve議案案件。第二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案件。第三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案件。第二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案件。第三、審查委員吳琪銘等17人 |
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法定人數不足 |
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四、六條相對單純不然就照本席提案通過四十六條就照本席提案通過謝謝 |
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好,那我們繼續我們來處理我們土地法第十四條的條文來,第十四條的條文有本席的條文還有林岱樺委員的條文還有我們高津樹美以及鄭天才委員的修正動議大家看一下 |
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行政單位有沒有問題行政單位說明依據林岱樺委員所提的意見因為委員今天又有提一個建議修正文字建議修正文字事實上是比較符合立法體力我們也完全尊重林岱樺委員所提的建議修正動議案 |
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好謝謝那我們現在待會就建議採用林岱樺委員的來禮博議委員 |
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除了這個修正動議以外這個原本提的條文就是說行政法人跟公營事業機構如果他有在委管這個中央文化主管機關認定的古蹟 |
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就有可以移轉給私人的產權,是產權的部分嗎?這個是不是請這個說明一下因為這個很容易會被認為就是說怎麼會把古蹟移轉給私人這個產權的部分這個很容易我講一下 |
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因為現在目前文資法裡面事實上它的古蹟可以為私人所有我們今天要修改的部分只是對公營事業跟行政法人這兩個因為他也是建副事實上都是類似國家的一個機構 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案。」案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案案案件。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。netes1、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。נס1、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。נס2、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案件。נס3、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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這樣移轉過去以後可助於古蹟的保存和維護所以這個部分事實上是OK的可是你這個他下面的這個第1款日據時期原屬私有台灣公富後登記為公有依法得證與移轉為私有之名勝古蹟這個你解說一下 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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可以謝謝張委員幫我再更清楚化這個問題如果是這樣子就是說由國產署到教會這個其實社會大眾就聽得懂你在做什麼就不會有這個問題啦我們是為了這個那他是排除掉說不是給私人教會喔這個是不是給私人財產喔這個是給教會那這樣大眾就可以接受 |
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法定人數不足 |
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好,那我們請行政部門針對我們蔡易餘委員所提出的好,那個這個部分的話我跟委員報告一下我知道委員今天提案主要的重點就是說隔壁的土地啦你也不是說一定要通知繼承人那些 |
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那個問題應該不是重點啦,是說價別的土地啦這個部分來講的話,我想說真的是如果要剛剛其實王爺提到說價格也有可能這個問題嘛 |
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主席主席 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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所以,而且我們公告的地點事實上包括鄉鎮公所公所啦,地政事務所啦,還有里長的村里的辦公室,我們都有大功課啦我們都有大功課,在這裡國產署現在在網站上,如果要表售,網站上他也會公公在頭上表售 |
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那這一部分來講我想我們後面怎麼去執行我們再跟國產署這邊再來聯繫我們是不是從行政政委上來強化例如在除了現在目前來講除了地號以外地號阿是不是我們的地圖地級圖這個部分我們也來請國產署這邊是不是由我們地政機關來提供也可以或者是國產署這邊來提供我們行政政委我們來強化 |
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我們來強化因為現在要立法會我告訴委員有一個問題你如果說立法會要通緝他界別的這個毗鄰土地四周的土地很多以前如果人很多的時候一個沒通緝到他連天要站的時候那也很難處理就像那個大樓有大樓旁邊的農地也有可能他也是可能很多人的界線人很多的 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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市長,現在不好意思來打岔一下,現在的問題我們就是有正確的,跟可能特官司常議會說的說議會、議會說的,因為我們正確的就是,你要在旁邊的時候大樓,你如果中間就要打賣,你的困難點會在旁邊,如果像說台北市剛才三棟都大樓, |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具《土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案》案。 |
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她的問題,要去買的時候,像她說的,打個五倍啦。她說,我是聽她說說,拍賣的時候,八幾萬,現在三八萬要買,她說不買啦。不然再去換她的時候,她要繞一條路,車子可以過,給她而已啦。 |
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這就是我們未來修出來的問題是改革發生的問題,不是修出來發生覺得你更困惑啦,我們就好煩就這樣啦,好不好?好,謝謝王美惠委員。蔡易餘委員。那就是說,那個公告三個月,有的同時,你們這就要在那塊地上查,查法的資訊。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「土地法第七十三條之一條文修正草案 案 吳琪銘等17人擬具:「 |
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麥克風 麥克風 |
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對,這個可能會涉及到就是說影響到那個繼承人的一些權益啦可能處分的一個價款裡面會有扣除這些費用的這樣的一個疑慮啦你費用都拿繼承人貼現在我們有訪價過如果要實際去做一個插牌的這樣的動作大概每一個標的可能要上千塊這樣子是 |
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美匯委員跟易餘委員講的問題就是同一個就是會看公告的人 |
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就是會獲得價差的人真正林地不會看到這個公告這個就是我們行政技術上怎麼樣可以協助不管是地政室或者是尤其是國產署尤其是國產署尤其是國產署怎麼樣不要造成這個問題而且國產署還有另外一個問題 |
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你們有一些被佔用地也遇到這個問題你們被佔用地的價值前10名都拿出來都拿出來拍賣或招租造成更大的社會問題所以這個行政上這個行政上可能我覺得問題在這邊對大概分兩個層面一個就是說 |
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大概分兩個層面現在就是實務執行上面這個土地的一個座落可能如果真的要去做一個插牌的動作我們是希望在地的地政機關必須要幫我們協助說這個土地在哪裡因為那個是屬於私有土地不是國有土地如果是國有土地我每一筆我們都有資料都可以很明確 |
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在哪個地方?那所以如果真的是在行政作業上面必須要地政機關予以協助啦好請我們次長我想這樣子啦我覺得委員提案的重點就是要解決民怨不要讓人民覺得說國家無作為甚至害他損失所以我們 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 «土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案件》案。四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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立法院第11屆第2次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會 |
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這個部分我想我們會公告在村里長的這個辦公室嘛吼那這部分我們再來強化我們的行政座就是說畫面喔立定這個人倒三天啦再來第二部分這倒的部分吼我想我們也會一併再來公告因為這現在目前來講的話是只有地號啦啊說一台地號一套的其實不知道啦啊我們如果把它倒一併來提供吼 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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我跟你講啦 就是只有這樣啦你說不修法 我也認為我支持啦但 你們的行政作為要積極啦這是你們可以去做的啦不用在這邊跟立委討論你要怎麼做啦那我們覺得你們就是 我認為去插個牌子 |
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三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具 |
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我跟你講這個我認為是行政就去處理的事情啊可以做的啊這政府本來就要做的我們不用修法但你們要做我覺得就是這樣子而已啊主席你做個財事就好了這一條就可以處理啦好的謝謝我們張宏祿委員所提出的我們國端署有沒有問題 |
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內政部會跟財政部針對行政會議的這部分我們再一起討論你們兩個單位在一起協調吧我們蔡議員所提出的確實告訴民眾是我們的義務所以未來都會擦牌子喔 |
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蔡議員他們都已經這樣成了我們要照我們現前的條文好不好 |
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二、審查委員吳琪銘等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案。三、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具、「土地法第十 |
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徵定第十八條之一照委員吳琪銘等提案草案通過。徵定第十八條之二修正通過。第四十六條照委員吳琪銘等提案通過。土地法第十四條照委員吳琪銘等提案修正動議通過。第七十三條之一為此現行法條文不予修正。宣讀完畢。 |
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好謝謝請各位委員照剛才協商結論通過請各位委員有沒有異議好沒異議那本次的會議審查通過條文相關的法制用以授權主席與議事人員整理 |
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那以下決議討論事項一、不動產估價師部分條文修正草案。二、以審查環境擬具審查報告提報院會討論。請問各位在場委員需不需要黨船協商?不需要 |
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議員主席議員主席議員主席 |
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請問在場委員需不需要黨團協商不需要啦那本案以院會討論時由本席吳昭吉委員齊名作為補充說明那本次的會議我們就到此結束散會 |
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法定人數不足 |
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二、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具:「土地法第十四條之一條文修正草案案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |