| IVOD_ID |
15937 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15937 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-19,26,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-22T08:31:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-22T13:04:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:32:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbfb6a56bedfdb3c81d6a76734f73991823be8d109af184be435b155ddefcb3f9e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員羅美玲等20人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王定宇等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法增訂第二十一條之一條文草案」案。
三、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員邱議瑩等19人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(第四案如經復議，則不予審查）。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:03 - 13:04:00 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議。 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議：審查：立法院第1次聯席會議：審查： |
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二、請組密報告出席人數。報告聯席會出席委員27人以足法定人數。 |
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二十人擬具、「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條條文修正草案案。」宣讀完畢。 |
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本日議程所列討論事項外國專業人才延攬及僱用法部分條文修正草案是由本會議與社會福利及衛生環境、教育文化委員會等三個委員會聯席審查。那因為本席所提的版本尚在復議期間所以現在有三個版本我們依照院會交付的順序請提案委員進行提案要旨說明首先請羅美玲委員進行提案要旨說明 |
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羅美玲委員羅美玲委員不在我們請王定宇委員進行提案要求說明 |
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謝謝主席本席今天在這裡進行提案說明有關外國專業人才延攬及僱用法增訂第二十一條之一條文草案這個法我先從一個故事跟在場所有的官員我們立院所有同仁報告有一個法國人他來台灣二十多年他的太太在將近三年前因為癌症過世他太太是台灣人 |
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他在一年多前被診斷出有漸凍人症現在已經癱瘓躺在病床上唯一能照顧他的是他過世的太太跟前夫生的女兒他在台灣工作了20年繳稅他有我們的永居 |
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可是當他到老、弱、病殘的時候他不能使用臺灣的社會福利這樣的事物可以在這邊跟大家報告一個接一個很多國際的朋友在年輕的時候因為各種因素被我們的國家吸引來到這邊他可能是英文老師他可能是工程師他可能來自法國、來自印度、來自美國、來自各國 |
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後來我們發現我們都只看到這些國際朋友年輕時候為台灣貢獻心力在這邊工作的片刻卻忘了他也會有老的時候他會有生病的時候當他在這邊努力工作的時候繳納著稅金 |
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禁他的義務我們把他當家人當他老弱病殘的時候我們不應該叫他回自己的國家因為他已經把這裡當家我們不能這樣對待自己的家人而當我們在延攬國外白領勞工、寄宿勞工、藍領寄宿工的時候 |
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對於他長期在台灣工作取得台灣的不管就業金卡永久居留證的時候對於他老了他面對人生困難的時候 |
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這個國家能不能照顧他其實也是非常重要的誘因所以本席這個案子從上一屆溝通了近兩年的時間跟勞動部跟衛福部跟國發會我最後提案的版本還是國發會的同仁協助擬稿提出所以在行政部門的執行已經達到溝通有共識沒有自害難行之處 |
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那在過程當中有一個在台灣一直在推動外籍人士在台灣相關權益甚至於協助國法會進行白領勞工攬財的NEXT WORLD這個協會也一直在協助參與這個溝通跟擬訂草案的過程就在我們現在說話的時候 |
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這些我們台灣的家人、國際的朋友也正在線上觀看著我們這個修法的過程所以這個法案已經經過兩年的溝通協調那因為借期不連續我們在這一屆又重新提出我們希望在第21條之一修增訂在台灣 |
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累積居住達十年以上﹐那他有相關的就業、繳納稅金、他有盡他的義務相關的規定﹐那他可以適用身心障礙者權益保障法第50條及第51條﹐以及長照照顧服務申請及給付辦法之規定﹐ |
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這個案子沒有爭議也許其他的法案跟這個法不一樣但它有跟時間賽跑的壓力我們的 |
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家人們也許他皮膚是白的黑的不管他來自哪一州哪一國他們在台灣奉獻他們青春在他面對困境的時候這個法能夠早一天通過我們就可以讓他們知道台灣不只是他們工作賺錢納稅的地方台灣是他們的家所以謝謝主席兼排審也相信我們的邱運昭委 |
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應該特別能體會到類似這樣的法案就像你一直在推動的再生醫療法一樣它其實不應該有爭議它唯一的壓力是來自於跟時間賽跑希望我們所有的同仁所有的委員所有我們在場的官員能夠協助這個法盡速修訂完成它已經慢了我們希望能夠更早完成謝謝以上是本席的提案說明好 謝謝 |
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謝謝王定宇委員接下來我們請羅美玲委員進行提案說明主席、各位官員、各位同仁大家早安我們世界上有許多國家比如說像德國、紐西蘭、日本、加拿大、南韓等等都面臨了這個少子化的壓力所以逐步放寬移民法規跟政策以加強攬財 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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因此,若是說我國政府投入了這麼多的公共資源之後卻無法將橋外人才留台就業甚至吸引其在台灣成家立業者,則是非常的可惜也可以說是政府資源的浪費因此這次的《外國專業人才延攬及僱用法》的修法本期提案針對橋外生在我國居留並就學 |
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取得我國副學士學士學位者放寬其申請我國永居時得以折抵我國居留期間一到兩年。另外,曾符合修業年限規定並留在我國從事專業工作者均得以折抵申請永居之連續居留期間,以利台灣吸納更多的外專人才留台。 |
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一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、 |
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還有教育部必須要跨部會通盤嚴謹第一點就是最終推動取消僱外生評點制的名額上限第二點推動僱外生個人的工作許可 |
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現行的僱外生平點制限制只能從事專門技術性工作嚴密新增個人工作許可制讓其就業選擇更多元第三點放寬企業資本營業額規範並簡化申請的流程第四點 |
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延逸喬外申畢業尋職期間的公讀方案,而且不限於專門性或技術性的工作。以上是我的提案,也懇請各位委員同仁支持。 |
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謝謝羅美玲委員的提案說明,我們現在請邱志偉,邱志偉,邱志偉委員,他不在現場。好,那我們現在就請國家發展委員會高仙貴副主委就委員提案的版本來進行報告,高副主委請。 |
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主席、各位委員、親近、大家好。我想首先還是感謝各位委員對我們國延攬及僱用外籍專業人才議題的重視。接下來本會僅針對邱志偉委員、郭育晴委員、羅美玲委員、邱映穎委員、莊瑞雄委員、還有王定宇委員所提的外國專業人才延攬及僱用草案,說明如下。 |
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那我想為了強化這個台灣國際人才的那個延攬其實我們在107年2月8號就開始實施了本法那以專法的形式呢一次鬆綁了外國專業人才來台的相關的法規的限制那我想這個法呢從 |
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實施以來到今年的三月底,其實外國專業人才的有效許可證已經達到56,427人次,較106年底的本法實施前的3927人次增加了八成。外國特定專業人才累計也許可也達到14,000多人次,然後就業金卡也發行了9,664個。 |
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那以下就各委員版本的意見那我們做一個整體的研析那我想綜合各委員所提的案我們第一個就是修正條文的第十二條那這十二條是由邱志偉委員 |
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提案的那主要就是配合入出國移民法在112年6月28號修正所以就刪除了這一條的第三款跟第五款的規定那我想我們配合他修訂我們同意委員支持委員的提案那我們將這個條次完全回歸到入出國 |
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及移民法來辦理。所以我們同意他可以刪除。另外第二個是第十四條的修正。那第十四條修正主要是縮短橋外申的申請永居的連續居留期限一到二年。那基本上有兩位委員的版本,一個是羅美玲委員的版本,一個是邱義營委員的版本。 |
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提案。我想我們就簡單的說明一下我們針對兩位委員本會的一些看法跟委員參考。第一個就是有關於在外國特定專業人才在申請永居的折抵部分。跟大家報告其實現行的辦法是只要連續 |
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居留滿三年就可以申請永居。那在臺灣取得博士學位可以折抵一年。然後換言之就是說最快兩年其實就可以取得永居。那我們本會認為其實為了強化高階人才的流台我們有參著日本新設的特別高度人才制度那這個制度它允許具有碩士學位以上的或者是有高階智能而且有一定收入者 |
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最快可以一年拿到永居,所以我們會支持外國特定專業人才取得我博士學位的從現行的折抵一年可以提升到折抵兩年,那碩士的學位就可以折抵一年,這個是之前辦法沒有的。 |
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那第二個是有關於外國專業人才申請永居折抵的部分那現行的辦法是五年可以得到永居博士兩年、碩士一年那 |
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讓委員有了提案是希望副學士也可以折抵的那我們的看法是我們認為說申請永居的連線的折抵應該考量喬艾森留台對我國的經濟跟產業的貢獻應該不單以在台修讀的期間長短做依據而且各個學士學位的等級的專業程度有差別所以我們希望博士、碩士、學士應該給予由高到低的不同的折抵連線所以我們建議 |
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博士可不可以折抵兩年。那我們原來說是折抵一年,我們增加一個學士學位也可以折抵一年。那第三個呢是王定宇委員增訂了第21條之一希望放寬取得永居且在我國累計居留十年的外國專業人才及眷屬可以適用我國身心障礙還有一個長照服務。那當然 |
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因為這個提案涉及到主管機關衛福部的社會福利政策跟服務的提供那本會會尊重該部的一些意見那當然我們如果基本上這個條文如果不會增加太多的財務負擔的話我想我們本會也熱觀啟程以上報告 |
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好,謝謝高副主委的報告那有關教育部衛福部的書面以及內政部的書面報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報那本日議程討論事項合併詢答委員質詢前原理做以下幾點的宣告每位委員發言時間聯席會委員4分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘非聯席會委員4分鐘我們上午10點鐘截止發言登記 |
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首先我們請登記第一位陳婷菲委員發言來請高副主委 |
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委員長副主委早副主委我想請教一下你剛剛所講就是說在我們如果在學位的這個放寬當中你們現在有一個方向跟目標就是說博士學位可以放寬兩年 |
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作事一年嗎?這是現在的?是,就是特定的專業人才。對,就是特定的專業人才。就是說被你們認定是專業人才的部分,然後在特殊領域當中,他如果在博士可以折抵兩年,作事是一年,這是現有的?應該是說現有的博士是 |
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一年,然後會增加一年。對,對。然後我們現在的提案是博士從一年一加一,然後碩士可以一年。碩士一年維持,碩士是維持一年還是碩士沒有?沒有。原來線型是沒有的。原來線型是沒有。因為最重要的就是因為我們外國高級專業人才已經把它五年縮短成三年。對。所以我們當初的線型辦法就是讓他博士可以折頂一年,也就是最快就可以兩年。 |
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現在委員的提案是希望我們博士可以從一年增加到兩年那也就是最快,如果你是博士學位最快一年就可以取得那這個會跟日本的高級的專業人才的年限相當所以我們是支持委員的提案 |
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所以說在目前這個部分就是說在博士的部分一加一是OK碩士增加然後學士學位也增加學士學位我們不贊成在外國特定專業人才是在外國專業人才就是我們這個法裡面有分兩個 |
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人才的等級一個是外國特定專業人才就是必須要符合我們各部會所定的外國專業人才的一些相關的條件我們才會設定他那外國專業人才就是基本上就是根據救福法裡面比如說你要大學畢業加兩年工作經驗47971的相關的規定進來的人我們叫做外國專業人才 |
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至於外國專業人才的這一部分其實我們是以前學士這一部分是沒有折抵的這是委員有提案希望學士也可以折抵一年 |
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這是誘因啦!因為這個誘因很重要。也就是說當我們對於他的這個領域、這個區塊,我們認為我們是需要他的,當然我們用這樣的一個延攬人才的吸引力,這本來就應該去協助的。 |
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對,所以在這個部分其實我覺得我們應該要開大門走大路因為如果說在整個專業領域區塊我們是沒有問題的那我覺得我們應該要更大的放寬放寬的這個幅度讓人家有感否則現在全世界都在搶人才是的 |
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你認為我們臺灣可以搶過贏人家嗎?我想我們臺灣還是有我們的優勢啦齁比如說其實我們第一個就是我們臺灣其實我們的產業的供應鏈尤其是在半導體這個構面其實蠻強的齁那我們其他的產業也有它的特殊技術然後最好最重要是我們臺灣有很好的 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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3011 |
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關我們自己、台灣、其實傳統產業跟我們的高科技不要再說半導體啦其實在人才其實在內部就已經是搶得非常的嚴重了都不要是說跟全世界去徵才那你認為我們現在在針對所有這些外國專業人才延攬還有僱用的方式 |
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議員議員議員 |
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其實當時候108年還好,那時候動了這樣的一個所謂的開端。否則其實已經這個所謂外國專業人才的延攬的部分其實談很久。當時候其實談很久,但是就是卡關。因為有很多思考的層面,那好不容易突破了。可是突破之後呢,到現在幾年了? |
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三、本院委員邱志偉等 |
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大家就是認為應該要修其實我也有一個版本在這個立法院在院會裡面還沒送進來因為我本來說我們新的新的這個國發會之後一個整盤所以我們希望的是當委員認為應該要去調整的時候不是頭痛一頭腳痛一腳而是你們應該在這6年還沒修的當中怎麼整盤整盤一次 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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那時候其實光破那個口大家很努力耶破了那個口之後大家期待可是說真的現在整個競爭的演變跟競爭的速度不是我們能夠想像的我想謝謝委員的提醒啊那我們的確我們今年有全盤修法的規劃那因為這個法案還涉及到很多相關的部署我們希望今年底應該可以完成 |
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我覺得這個部分應該要有一個方向,我覺得要更快啦,因為現在委員都有提出來了,提出來之後把它併著去好好的討論,從全面的,從所謂的他們的學位,然後再從像這個他的眷屬的部分,如果你眷屬可以讓他更安心。 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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有請副主委來請高副主委 |
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委員長本期針對高階人才流失嚴重我們的國際攬財政策的講話來跟您做個討論這幾個討論的方向我們政府是怎麼消極被動而導致高階專業人才的流失以及第二個是我們外籍移工的現況那以及現在國際上對於本國在世界人才競爭力的評比又是如何那重點在我們攬財 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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報道上在今年4月28號這個洛杉磯管理學院去提到新加坡的排名是世界第二、亞洲第一台灣是逐年下降我們下降到了整個整體是20名當然它有一個細緻的一個排名等一下我會提出來那在我們台灣過去15年是所謂人才淨輸出的國家 |
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3393.037 |
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我們自己培養的理工跟金融優秀人才大量為美國、中國、新加坡、歐洲等國際企業所挖掘。除了攬財之外,留財的部分,我們對於留在台灣繼續的可能性,雖不刻意阻止,但是積極度也呈現的是較低的。好,我們來看我們今天為什麼要去 |
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提這個修法背景還是因為我們人才的淨輸出理由有二第一個低薪第二個是移工政策低薪的部分就以新加坡為例全國員工薪資平均值是15.6的平均值台幣而台灣呢平均是5.8當然這個數字一定是不能為台灣所有大部分國人所接受但是本席就把它當作是你們的一個基礎的數字平均的 |
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新資指來看。好,就算我以物價指數的平減在台灣員工收入的平均購買力能不到新加坡的一半。在移工政策的部分為什麼導致我們成為人口淨輸出呢?新加坡引進外籍人力的目的重點是這個,副主委。 |
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新加坡幫事引進是做新加坡他引進的是新加坡自己不能做的事的人才來引進臺灣引進外籍人力是引進臺灣不喜歡或不願意做的事差別就在這邊決定了兩國後續的國際競爭力的以及他的發展空間 |
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好,我們再來講到,既然因為有淨輸出,所以我的懶財,我們來檢視關鍵的因素,我就當然這因素很多,我如何吸引人的關鍵因素很多,我就以關鍵的減稅優惠。新加坡課外國專業人才的稅率市場高彈性低稅率,而台灣的減稅是相對苛刻的。 |
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所以需同時符合好多條件等下我也提出來什麼叫做好多條件才可以享有優惠好我們再看看鄰近國家怎麼樣的積極韓國跟日本在東北亞這個積極引進外國頂尖人才是繼新加坡之後所以大家都看著新加坡 |
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好那沒關係這又是另外一個議題齁好記得新加坡之後他們針對他哪些人才半導體人工智慧等尖端人才為了彌補韓國日本這幾個人才這幾個領域當中他們少子化以及產業競爭力的理工人才他們大幅改變的留學跟移民政策就是在留才跟攬才的部分他相關的政策規劃跟法規的鬆綁 |
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好,我們看我們外籍的移工,我們本國是直接把所有的外籍移工的一刀切分為白領跟藍領。好,我們就這兩張圖,這全部都是官方數據。如果在藍領的部分,不好意思我用藍領這兩個字,不好意思,那我就依你們這個勞動部所提供的。 |
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我們在去年年底的時候我們移工的總人事是突破75萬人分別在製造業47萬8萬人到社福業23萬4千人最多而營建業及農業的漲幅是最明顯的還我們看下圖這個是近三年來外國特定專業人才也就是所謂的白領階級的申請跟聘僱人數我們直接看下圖 |
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欸對不起齁你看下面這張圖喔他是在累計喔110、111到112也就到去年年底的累計我的白領階級的累計在科技人才我才累計26個人允許這個這個允許他進來然後呢經濟領域我們在累計到去年年底才4028人在金融的領域齁是200 |
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二百九十六人。這個凸顯是說我國的白領階級人才濟濟嗎?好,我也沒有答案。好,那這個呢這個呢我們就以這一張圖我們就從這張圖來看我們真的叫做人才濟濟嗎?如果是這樣為什麼我們在世界人口競爭的評比卻是倒退入位?好,以新加坡總人口數在去年年底是五百九十二萬人它相當一個北 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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當然他在課稅上就沒有太多的條件了課徵的稅率也比台灣優惠所以呢今天國發會是人力資源發展既然是人力資源發展你就必須協調啦所以對我國你看下面這張圖 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、 |
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而在這個投資跟發展人才我們排名23所以這個是人才以及人才的準備度我們是排名19其實是不高的那就呼應到底我們的是不是白領階級人才階級而導致我們不需要去延攬國際講白一點就是獵人才 |
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好我們再看課稅制度這是關鍵我們現在的做法是兩個法例外國特定專業人才結免所得稅第三條跟外國專業人才延攬及僱用法就是今天討論的法條外國特定專業人才結免所得稅的辦法是講資格因工作而首次你必須第一次來到本國的這個這個專業人才你來了第二次我過了五年之後來了第二次 |
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沒有了好那你這個課稅呢必須要怎麼樣呢我必須住滿365天幾乎到一半以上185天連續五年這五年當中我課稅課百分之三十我第五年期之後我必須薪資所得三百萬假設我薪資所得四百五十萬我就四百五十萬扣掉三百萬之後一百五十萬的一半 |
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七十五萬才能免計綜合所得稅。好,我們來看新加坡他在一年內的受僱有分60年以下60天60天以下60天到182天183天一年喔60天你一年來你在60天工作以下的我是免短期薪資所得扣稅的60天到182天是適用15%的稅率 |
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半年以上、一百八十三年以上是總收入百分之十五或淨收入百分之二十二,這邊是重點特例。如果外籍工作者擔任公司董事的話,一律採用稅率百分之二十二。如果在我們本國,如果沒有符合那個外國專業人才延攬啊,這個以這現況來講,他的稅率百分之四十或四十五。 |
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好 我們就以今天的修法體育專業人才為例本席是肯定的所以是不是以這個為案例你們針對高階專業人才引進的相關修法或延領優惠來提升我國的產業競爭力既然你都可以為了體育專業人才來做這樣放寬表示我們有這樣的一個氣度了 |
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好我直接就做建議在本國人口推估的基礎上這個很重要我相信副主委您是資深的這個公務人員你對於你們本身有這個網站你們很清楚所以在這個基礎上針對白領階級的外國專業人才 |
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請國發會比照新加坡的攬財政策大幅度的放寬資格,那特別針對投資者、專業經紀人跟專業技術人員他的課稅、居留等攬財,提升國家的經濟這個產業的競爭,在三個月內提出具體執行方案,才能符合本內閣的這個行動創新AI的內閣的期許。這個副主委您怎麼看? |
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那個副主委您是不是就...那就三個月內提出來吧!好!好!好!謝謝!三個月內!好!謝謝!我們還是要請各位委員能夠精準地掌握一下時間好!好!謝謝!你不用提案說明就直接詢打了現在不用提案說明了不用啦!不用啦!因為大家時間很寶貴因為今天登記的人很多好!來請邱志偉委員發言 |
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我體驗還是要簡單的說明一下。已經過了體驗說明的時間了啦。你就直接詢答啦。我再多給你兩分鐘好不好。好啦,那個。好啦,來那個。就直接開始吧。這個針對今天三個條文的修正,先請國發會,請勞動部,請衛福部。好,來。請國發會,請勞動部,請衛福部。 |
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其實我的修法是配合《露出國移民法》在112年的修正所以修正之後我們在原來的第十二條它的第三項到第五項就沒有必要重複在存在所以我的修法就是把第三項到第五項把它拿掉取消那回歸到這個《露出國移民法》相關規定 |
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國安會應該同意吧?是,完全同意。好,謝謝。另外有關於羅委員的提案,針對有學士學位或者副學士學位取得的技術人員資格,如果這個修法的話,我請教一下勞動部,會增加多少有效約聘的許可人次? |
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有沒有估計一下? |
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勞動部。是,這個部分我們目前應該沒有相關的推估。如果放寬到副學士,那你會增加多少? |
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那誘因夠不夠?不,你我時間保固,你的立場怎麼樣?副學士人數是不是很多?對啦,那如果學士呢? |
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學士的話目前全國一年畢業生大概27萬人不是啦我是說外國的嘛喬外生一年的畢業生是1.2萬人左右所以對於羅委員的提案你支不支持原則上支持還有原則還有原則就有例外好原則上支持那我問一下那個馬傑計畫來問一問所以如果按照王定宇委員提案 |
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你們認為會增加預算支出我覺得這個誘因啊 |
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是很必要。你要外國要留財攬財,這個誘因一定要存在。國安委應該也支持。那你站在財務支出,由你們的本位思考。如果財務支出不會造成這個,你們這個國家財政負擔,我覺得應該要支持的。所以這部分,你能比較,如果修法通過之後,跟你把這個所謂馬街計畫把它放寬,哪一個會比較好?我希望你們做出一個評估報告。 |
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是。是。那你覺得馬街計畫如果調整,要怎麼調整?因為報告委員目前因為馬街計畫他是要在台永居20年,然後每年183天。而且他條件門檻很高。對,還要有特殊貢獻。所以符合馬街計畫,取得這個,就剩大概多少人?目前340人有取得馬街計畫。門檻太高嘛。 |
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所以跟現在的外國人才的誘因是沒有辦法銜接上,對不對?你誘因要增加,這些外國的專業人才還願意來台灣嘛,包括本人、配偶、子女,如果有相關的醫療服務的話,他們誘因會很強。 |
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所以你如果說你們覺得修法會影響你們財政支出那你們必須要把這個馬捷計畫做相關的調整是不是一個月之內把修法或者是馬捷計畫做調整門檻降低的利率評估做一個分析 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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我們後續可以進行相關的評估啦。後續不是,立即啟動評估,好不好?立即啟動評估。好,我們會評估。我地點都幫你找好了。你在橋頭科學園區啊,那有很多以後會設一些行政中心,那邊就可以設一個Tenant Taiwan的高雄據點。 |
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對,因為我們特任的臺灣還有涉及相關經費的編列等等的,那就像委員說的,我們將來臺灣也是...對,我知道,我知道,臺灣真的也是很多半導體S狼帶等等。所以這部分國際人才的諮詢服務很重要。怎麼樣全球人才你要跨部位的資源,所以這個...是不是容許委員讓我們做一下評估在...三個月之內。 |
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三、本院委員邱志偉等 |
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立刻評估,一個月之內把北高雄地點評估出來。為什麼?因為這個執聘中心這個移工的需求,這個移工流財的都是不管我那邊有傳統產業金屬構建,或者是這個高科技產業都缺工,都需要很多的這個移工。所以怎麼樣執聘中心在設立是非常重要的。所以 |
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這個我弟弟也幫你找好了,這個也在喬科,或者未來是產業科學園區,北高雄產業園區,或者是喬州科學園區,你可以在兩個地方找一個,我還有兩分鐘。 |
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這兩個地點都是在北高雄。所以這個立即啟動執聘中心的這個設置計畫。一個月之內是不是提出相關的評估?委員我們一個月之內提出在南部這邊設置執聘中心的可行性的評估。我就跟你講,已經就講好了。南北失衡。那重點我就告訴你為什麼要設在北高雄。我已經講清楚了。 |
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我們在南部這邊的評估一個月之內提供給委員。謝謝。南部的高雄那救護法救護法這個移工的政策目標跟方向這個也是你們管的是這個部分這個你看日本以前這個對這個外籍移工是非常保守 |
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現在他們考慮到未來少子化、高齡化的這個人力需求。他們這個觀念大轉彎,然後突破過去思維。現在你包括在那邊地超商,包括他們的女書業,都是這個外國的移工,不管是在留學的或者是聘用的移工。所以因為欠缺人的移工勞動力太多了。我們的少子化、高齡化不會輸給日本的。 |
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所以你應該要大開大合,要有更創新的思維,不要太保守。所以這部分,你的救法移工政策目標你要做一些調整。 |
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這個你的想法怎麼樣?這個淑敏跟委員報告因為現在人口結構確實有一些改變那所以我們對於移工政策也開始朝向參考日本對於實習生以及中階的一個人力的引進做一些彈性上的調整所以台灣在過去這兩年也針對中階人力有一些鬆綁跟擴充的一個情形這個部分我們跟日本的做法是接近的所以你那個30年前所設定的移工的這個目標是暫時性補充性 |
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你用管制、限制的做法來制定這個辦法對不對你現在已經顯示說這個移工已經成為必要的人力日本就是考慮到這個日本就是有這種思維所以你整個政策思維、政策目標你要調整如果是必要的人力你就應該要有不同的思維、不同的做法去拼顧 |
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所以這個部分你這個移工的政策目標跟方向是什麼時候可以調整?這個部分我們其實在實務上已經針對包括那個可以禁用移工的僱主的資格業表的部分已經做一些原則上的一些方向跟調整這個部分會持續來做滾動檢討基本上它是配合產業的一個發展的一個需求不是滾動整個上位的政策目標跟方向你要做調整 |
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那你覺得你現在是一共是必要人力還是補充人力?這個部分我們橫著產業的需求不再去特別去強調它是補充性的人力你把這個部分做一個全盤的盤點我希望說你要把這個缺工的問題視為是國安的問題你缺工百工百業都沒有辦法去 |
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二、本院委員邱志偉等二、本院委員邱志偉等二、本院委員邱志偉 |
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105年我們啟動了能源轉型我們以減煤、蒸汽、非核、展綠來作為方向這是我們再生能源發展的路徑以及策略尤其在今年520的時候總統就職大典他特別提出第一項會推動產業升級 |
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然後第二上臺積極打擊黑金、槍、毒積極推動第二次能源轉型發展多元綠化智慧電網、強化電力系統的韌性在這樣的一個情況之下我們更明定了114年再生能源裝置的容量11萬瓦29伽馬 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第10屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱用法第12屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及僱 |
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不斷跳票,所以在內政府新任政府上任之後推動的第二次能源轉型到底是什麼內容?非核家園會不會重新檢討?請教副主委。 |
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第二次的人員轉型的重心就是要發展多元的綠能。除了剛剛委員講到的我們的離岸風電跟太陽光電,我們會預造我們在十二項關鍵戰略裡面我既定的目標,我們一定會確定達成。你既定的目標到目前為止照你的KPI都達不到。所以本席剛剛說的跳電。 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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主委國發會來到這裡不是告訴我們21號怎麼樣應該會怎樣我們是要聽到你今天是代表國發會我們的政策方向是什麼就再跟那個委員補充我剛才講到請教是否會與時俱進調整輝和家園的想法會不會討論 |
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我想我們會不會討論應該是說如果在尋求全民共識的情況之下會在核電的這個議題上面 |
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會有一些……大家都有共識之下,然後會有一些決定。我只能這樣說。副主委,你這樣子我們詢答才有意義。也就是目前大家期待在看,到底政府對於能源政策怎麼樣去做調整。非核家園是不是拿出來重新討論。這個就是一個民主風範。 |
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包括了童子賢先生包括了林博鋒理事長他們都提出他們的論點那麼同時也包括了郭部長在為擔任部長的時候前幾天他也表示河南是乾淨的能源這是第一個第二個他認為必須要拿出來做討論而且他的基準點在於多數人 |
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多數人的共識而執行之,跟您現在所說的是雷同。所以我非常的歡喜聽到這一點,我們也希望要好好的用心,因為這一個能源政策對於整個國家的脈動是非常非常的重要。好,所以你們要好好討論喔,來接下來 |
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其實委員我要強調一下就是我為什麼要提21號的院長的施政報告因為其實以我的層級來說我沒有辦法代替行政院就所謂的因為有人叫你代替行政院主席你這個時間要扣掉就以你國外會的立場誰叫你代替行政院 |
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難怪昨天國會午晚要好好的討論對不對怎麼會有這種思維你今天是代表國發會我已經強調過你代表國發會講你國發會的立場對不對那你還要不要代表行政院好啦不要去 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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部分的媽媽也因為家庭而暫時離開職場但是他離開之後要再回來的確有困難所以這個我也不斷的跟勞動部一直在討論因為今天你是國防會所以我因為你是handle 橫向聯繫所以本期要請教男女身間不平等的感受比例很高有52.6%的懷孕者認為他受到不公平的待遇 |
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五十一點八結婚以及需要育兒的他也覺得是不公平的五十一點四特定價在檯面下限很多所以容易被刁難重點四請問主委我們在性別平等法第十九條裡頭規定為了扶育未滿三歲的子女可以申請每天減少一小時無薪資的工時但是我們發覺達到93.7%沒有申請 |
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政府有福利為什麼不申請?那這個其中原因到底在哪裡?因為有48.1%他不知道這個政策。不知道喔!等於快一半喔!那國防會你是不是應該要好好的宣導?針對於打善友善職場、促進性別平等、提高生育率都是國防會的主委。為什麼我們政策下去是這麼的低落?因為時間的關係我把功課給你。 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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要怎麼樣去改善?詳實的順便介紹給本席,我們再繼續討論。最後一個議題本席要請教我們創生推動是我們國安會跟各部會去研討60億我們看到到目前為止我們總共累計補助106案那換句話說只有6案5%有建立出產業的模式 |
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有了政府的支柱民眾努力在推動我們在地方上每一個區我們結盟我們的創新團體大家一起努力來推動但是為什麼你的比例這麼低這什麼原因那麼我們努力的在立法院通過的60億的預算要地方創新創生3.0 |
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那但是我們的比例產出的比例這麼低你認為這樣子的一個數字你滿意嗎?副主委我想我們當然應該是要就是我們編好的預算我們一定要全力執行啦對那這個這樣的數字我想我會回去了解一下它的執行的狀況因為這不是我主管的比例落差太大你的橫向組織一定要去管控好不好那你也把你橫向 |
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是探討出低落的原因產出的原因第一什麼原因怎麼樣改善請順便資料給本席好嗎好沒問題對好謝謝楊先生委員接下來我們請萬美玲委員發言好謝謝主席我們有請高副主委來請高副主委 |
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議員好,副主委好。副主委,少子化的問題是近年來我們非常急需要改進的一個國安問題。我想蔡政府在107年的7月推出少子化對策,總經費高達4851億, |
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但是六年過去了我想我們的生育率很明顯是沒有任何的改善而且繼續去往超高齡化國家來邁進那根據內政部統計我國截至今年四月份已經連續四十個月生不如死死亡比出生要多而且扶養比不斷的增加那使得我們現在的年輕人可以說是壓力越來越大那當然就不敢生嘛那不敢生現在變成惡性循環所以現在少子化的問題 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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所以這個數字是創有統計以來最低而且我們看到去年的12月外國的一個媒體就是這個經濟學人的雜誌指出全球生育率倒數五名的排名台灣的生育率在全球最後就全球倒數第一我想副主委是不是能夠提一下我們有沒有去檢討過少子化對策 |
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我想那個潮池華對策在院裡面有之前有林萬億政委其實定期滾動的調整那我們現在的這些少子女化的那個預算其實已經超過已經到達1200多億元了那用在減輕年輕人的那個養育生育的負擔 |
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然後創造一個剛剛比較良好的一個生育職場的環節那個副主委我不是在問你這個政策是什麼我是在問你說你有沒有去檢討過這個對策因為看起來成效不彰啊對就是一直滾動在調整每年幾乎都有新的措施出來啦那當然就是出生率降低我想可能也不只是台灣的問題像新加坡、韓國其實也都相當的嚴重那個副主委啊 |
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我想今天我不是要跟你討論別的國家嗎?當然知道這是一個全球化的狀態,但是台灣可以變成是全球倒數第一,難道不需要檢討嗎?因為雖然這麼多時間過了這麼久,但政策完全沒有達到效果,這不需要檢討嗎? |
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我接受您說的這個滾動式檢討那我希望你會後能不能給我一份比較具體的你到底檢討出了什麼個所以然來好嗎因為今天時間也有限但是我們看到這個根據審計部111年的決算報告當中有指出來我們國人低生育的原因大概就是不婚跟晚婚但是本席發現這個審計部還有說到這不婚跟晚婚是沒有明確的主責機關的我想這個副主委請教一下 |
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這沒有明確的主責機關,國法會可以來主責嗎?因為不婚的原因非常的多元 |
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好,那不婚的目前是內政部在主責,婚姻,就是結婚姻,就是……所以您認為這個就是選計部指出的這個不婚跟晚婚啊,這個沒有一個明確的主責機關,但國防會副主委您認為應該主責機關是內政部是這樣嗎?是,就是因為少子女化這個對策是林萬玉委員在做整體的規劃,那裡面有關於不婚這一塊是內政部在負責。 |
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目前的主責者。我想內政部當然也一定有他的責任在但是呢我認為啊國發會不會也沒有他的責任的啦您自己也應該非常了解根據這個國發會組織法第二條第一項第六款您可以看一下喔您自己非常清楚您執掌的是這個人力資源發展政策裡面也有寫到因應少子化等等本來就是國發會的業務項目項目嘛所以你也不可能完全去推給內政部啊當然當然所以我想 |
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如果說在這個主責單位上面不管是您這個有負責少子化或者是相關的人口政策其實在國發會都有那今天副主委的回答如果全部推給內政部本身是不能接受的應該不是完全推給內政部就是說因為我們在那個計畫裡面有部會的分工那我們國發會也會參加這個會議那我們在會議當中我們也會基於國發會職責我們會提供一些相關的建議給各部會這樣子 |
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副主席,我想我們為什麼本期提到這個少子化,因為就是少子化現在國安問題非常嚴重,那我們人口呈現負成長,勞動力一直在下滑,那所以今天我們也來討論嘛,就是外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第九條來做這樣的一個討論,我想我們來提一看一個政策,這個就業金卡,那就業金卡在107年2月8號上路到現在也是差不多6年的時間了, |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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八千七百九十二人而一般外國專業人員來臺五萬六千一百七十人六年來我們只有吸引到了六萬四千九百六十二萬人那我想我們再加上教育部海外新型專班這個教育部有這樣的一個專案嘛預估一百一十六年 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定 |
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能不能簡單說明一下我們這個40萬人包括剛才那個委員講到特定專業人才、專業人才、僱外生另外還有一個我們就是那個移工就是那個中間的技術人力所以我們這是四個加起來我們希望達到40萬人那的確這個目標是相當具有挑戰性可是我想我們國防會協同其他的部會我們會全力達成比如說僱外生這一塊我們都非常的積極的 |
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既然相當具有挑戰性,國發會自己組織,教育部也有專案,我想其他的部會應該也還有一些計畫,我覺得要再加強了。最後一點,國發會在111年所做的調查來看,其實有16.7%的吃咖者已經不在台灣工作,而且準備申請永久居留才佔比30%。 |
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那所以副主委我想我們這個就業金卡我們去發這個的終極目的不是就是希望他能夠有意願留在台灣來為台灣來貢獻所長喔那但到最後竟然只有三成的人願意留下來那這出了什麼問題啊基本上齁這些 |
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所謂的那個特定專業人才他們都是國際移動性非常高的他們是全球跑來跑去的所以呢他比如說有一些卸股的台灣網他們有時候就是他不見得會留在台灣因為他們要到世界各國去尋找部署委我想喔 |
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接下來我們請賴瑞隆委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席請高副主委高副主委是委員長今天我們處理的是外國專業人才延攬及僱用法是那剛剛我看到了前面的委員這個楊秋英委員其實對你的一些答覆有段時間其實並不是很滿意的那你會擔心這樣的答覆狀況不滿意的狀況像未來如果藐視國會法通過了之後會不會影響到 |
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你的答詢你會不會擔心觸犯到所謂的藐視國會法? |
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你會擔心?會不會擔心?說實話,會不會擔心?包括有可能司長、處長甚至科長都可能被叫上來被詢問到,那你聽不聽到他們感到擔心? |
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如果國會的多數就是認為你藐視國會,在法律的條文界定裡面認為只要你有藐視國會的行為的話,他們認定的就是藐視國會,三年以下有期徒刑。我想就我們公務員來說,我們會希望這個法會定的更明確,而不是讓公務員...所以高副主委誠實的回答,會不會擔心? |
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如果照這樣的話會不會擔心同仁們有擔憂?同仁會不會擔憂你認為?同仁會不會有點擔憂?我想我我我如果以日我來說我可能如果這個法通過的時候我們可能會跟同仁有某個對這個法的進一步的認識 |
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那避免就是因為你長期在公務體系裡面應該知道啦這樣子因為到立法院來立委嗎為什麼問題其實沒有人知道他不像美國的聽證會還有一個很確定的範圍今天如果美國聽證會談外國專業人才你來談就談這個但是你看剛剛談到了核電去了問到了核電去了那你核電出來的回答你第一個回答他滿意第二個回答他不滿意之後他就有可能認為你並沒有他就不滿意所以剛剛 |
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我的意思是說在這樣狀況下的話再回來談好了外國專業人才僱用法我們要邀請更多外國優秀人才來到台灣的時候而將來在這樣的一個立法院可以要求他來的時候如果他沒有來或者是沒有照實來提供有可能罰一萬以上十萬以下的罰還甚至連續罰對於延攬外國專業人才這樣子會不會產生另外一種負面的壓力會不會 |
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報告委員麻煩再說一次我現在有點失神就是說如果這個藐視國會法通過了啦齁通過以後的話外國專業人才要來到台灣的時候齁他有可能在被立法院要求要來做說明或來調查的時候沒有的時候或者是有相關可能被處以一萬以上十萬以下的罰環而且連續罰這樣會不會影響到外國人來到台灣的一個意願會不會 |
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議員王定宇等 |
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我們看香港的狀況嘛,香港整個是做了一些限縮之後,其實不只外資討嘛,連外很多人員也都離開了嘛,因為他限制。當國會用這麼強的一個強度去約束人民,我要求你要來做一些說明跟調查的時候,如果你不來或者什麼的話,我會給你罰還。官員是有可能被犯三零下徒刑,但是這個人員的話是會被罰還,而且連續罰,罰到你來為止。這個會不會產生壓力嗎?你認為不會產生壓力嗎? |
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所以我說的說是 |
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如果我們希望延攬更多優秀的人才甚至希望更多優秀的公務人員不斷在政府內服務的時候我們在立這些相關的法必須非常謹慎小心如果你沒有很謹慎小心的話你會讓人才視你為衛徒你這個政府或者是你這個國會是一個具有高度壓力的國會更何況還有很多不見得看得到的一些手的時候這個都會影響到台灣的整個長遠的發展副主委同不同意這樣的看法 |
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國發會或世衛服務的評估是怎麼樣? |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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我想因為這個法令涉及到那個社會那個福利跟服務的提供會有大概多少如果假如照王定宇委員通過的話會有多少的預算要支付的我想衛福部有估算那我們國防會的立場是如果在 |
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政府就是說社會福利沒有財務的危機還有這個服務提供沒有問題之下呢我們是樂觀其成可是呢至於那衛福部說明一下好嗎對我們尊重衛福部的意見來衛福部說明一下是委員好那其實在針對攬財外國專業人才的這個部分其實衛福部是保持我們希望能夠吸引更多的專業人才然後跟多元包容跟廣納的這個態度 |
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來去從這個方向來去做考量那不過因為目前就是這些外國專業人才他的眷屬或者是他的子女的部分如果說他是屬於身心障礙的這個部分的人數目前還沒有辦法做一個精準的掌握所以這部分後續我們可能還需要再推估出來大概會有多少的預算需要如果假如照這樣通過要增加多少預算 |
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那這個案子有跟部長做過說明嗎?新上任部長。 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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來為我們一起來努力讓台灣的經濟、讓台灣的產業更好這是大家共同的目標但是有些涉及到財務面的問題的話也必須要審慎來思考好謝謝最後一個問題齊金的類離島其實我跟高副主委也談過非常多次齊金當時的時候其實他是半島但是是因為高雄港開港之後形成離島但事實上因為他有過港隧道關係所以他永遠沒辦法享受到離島建設條例的優惠 |
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但是我是建議應該因為他交通上還是相對的是比較困擾的我認為其實應該有一些類離島的方式給他做避免產生他不需要去跟吃到其他的離島的一些預算但是他可以因為一些政策面上給他給當地的居民有更好發展機會他也是你們地方創生的輔導機構所以我希望副主委你們現在整體的規劃方向是怎麼樣 |
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委員羅美玲等 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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我覺得這應該是大家可接受的方向他不視為離島視為類離島的方式他不吃到你的離島建設條例的資源等等但是在有些東西給予一些特殊的範框或讓當地的人才能夠回流讓當地的居民有更好的一個發展我覺得這是做得到的一個月內給我一份報告好不好一個月內給委員具體的回應謝謝賴瑞龍委員接下來我們請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席、各位委員,有請副主委。副主委好。 |
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按照你剛才的答詢你絕對不會有這個藐視國會因為這個本來立法院之前刑事法本來就有規定不能反質詢不能反質詢也不能稀微的那個答覆不能稀微的答覆所以這個尤其是國務院都不會了都不會不要擔心 |
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然後會發生這種事情大概是極少數了以我在三、四年的公務員的經驗然後這個世界的立法委員的話應該是這種極少數的才會發生這種事情的不用擔心好這個今天的議題外國專業人才延攬及僱用法 |
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根據內政部的報告,到110年10月25日修正施行《外國專業人才延攬及僱用法》。外國專業人才申請永久居留案件共1969人。勞動部 |
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你取消僱外生評點制的配額然後擴大禁用僱外生這些相關的這些到113年已經提高至7000人這是這個人數一直在成長那個國發會你的報告這個節制 |
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今年三月抵止外國專業人才有效席可五萬六千四百二十七人。這個部分所以我要建議的是說怎麼樣因為這些專業人才是不是跟我們台灣我們台灣的教育也非常棒 |
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我們現在台灣的這個年輕人就學我們的學校然後這個所培養的這些也有很多的專業人才是不是這個如果我們這一方面的專業人才不足某個企業某些企業然後怎麼樣去跟教育部或是跟相關的學校大學怎麼樣去促進 |
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因為畢竟還是要以本國的人才為優先。所以這個部分是一個需要去審慎的去評估、去因應。以今天的這些提案,副主委,你認為 |
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我想就像委員所說的啦當然就是因為我們現在每個國家都跟台灣一樣發生人才短缺人力短缺的問題那我們當然希望是培養本土的優秀人才優先啦所以大家可以看到就是不管是我們的高教啊或者是我們有這個那個就有一些特別條例啊半導體學院等等都是在全力培養國內的一些 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等六、本院委員王定宇等七、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院 |
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大量的吸引國外的學生來台灣就讀。就讀完了以後,他既然用了我們的資源,也熟悉我們的語言跟文化,他就可以留下來。目前這個制度其實已經放寬到副學士以上都可以申請,而且績效其實還蠻不錯,現在畢業的學士生幾乎有一半會留在台灣,來補充我們需要的專業人力。 |
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我的建議是說剛才按照我剛才的陳述你也認同嗎?所以我們台灣的這些專業人才的培育跟我們企業的需求共同的去推動如果人有不足 |
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當然才去考量這些所以一定要去做這樣的一個審慎的評估當然剛才你也提到了副主委你也提到臺灣的少子女化很嚴重這個也算是整體來看也是我們國發會應該要去跟相關的部會甚至行政院我們對少子女化的因應到底 |
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主不主,不只是這樣啊。我們這個很多的這個也切工也沒錯,但是怎麼樣去再因應這些不能一直一直引進外,包括就能都一樣啊。我看到我們的就能現在職業性的職業意義就能都不足啊。 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇 |
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這些不是專業人才一般的營造移工開放的非常非常的多這個有這樣的一個數字而且影響當然是我們原住民基層的勞工所以這個部分因為當然這個不是你的業務但是應該是整體去考量 |
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對,各位委員報告,其實有關於移工,如果是個別行業是屬於專案性的引進,那就如所說在進行專案性引進的時候,勞動部其實都會評估到會不會影響到國內的就業,然後當然也會評估到如果我不引進,我可能影響到整體的經濟成長,那經濟成長往下 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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主席宣告,待會本席質詢結束之後我們休息五分鐘。好,那我們請李玉琳委員發言。 |
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謝謝主席,請邱副主委來,請邱副主委委員長副主委本席在這邊想先就教你請問說國發會在主責業務當中哪一項是刻不容緩在關乎我們國家的未來跟經濟前景是當務之急必須要有對策先來解決的 |
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我覺得就我們國發會的執掌而且橫著現在國內的就是台灣的經濟發展狀況裡面我覺得產業跟能力兩個應該是最重要的是產業跟能力跟產業跟這個經濟各方面都是很重要但是最重要根本的 |
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就是邱志華本席必須再從邱志華先來跟你說因為我們看到我們現在整個臺灣的生育率在2023年是全世界倒數第一這個就關乎在我們整個影響到的方面是多方面多元的尤其是在教育方面在私立學校的招生不足的情況之下就會有倒閉的 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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所以我們在健保跟勞保的收入減少情況之下整個虧損的漏洞就會越來越大那尤其是在國防方面青壯年人口的減少也會增加這個義務與跟我們自願意的招收非常的困難影響我們整個軍隊的運作還有戰備的準備所以諸位 |
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在這個少子化的情形整個社會都歸咎的是因為高房價還有我們的這個高物價跟這個整個高工時還有這個薪水低還有育兒成本這個提高的問題所以這些問題都是環環相扣的 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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一千兩百九十二億元,那這邊主要在用在就是減輕年輕人的育兒的負擔這個構面,那你剛才其實也有提到高房價、低薪還有一些相關的課題也是影響,也許是你這邊預算你根本沒有辦法解決根本的問題,就是所以我們持續在滾動 |
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二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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二、本院委員王定宇等 |
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一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、本院委員羅美玲等一、 |
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那最重要的就是要放寬僱生可以在畢業之後可以申請永久的這個居留的資格但是我們看到國發會在2018年就開始在推動著讓外國人士可以申請工作許可、居留簽證還有外僑居留證跟從入國的許可、四合一的就業金卡 |
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副主委就位金卡你們執行的6年執行的成績是如何?你現在只有6年的時間你只有發放9664張那你還喊出來說2030年你要延攬7萬名的國際專業人士你有這個信心嗎?你做得到嗎? |
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好,那跟委員報告說我們設定的七萬的國際專業人才是包括特專跟一般專業人才那目前呢大概就是就業金卡是屬於特專那一塊那我目前的國際專業人才大概是一萬四千專業人才一萬四千人含就業金卡含就業金卡那你的七萬人就業金卡實施這麼久了是沒有功效嗎?很困難嗎? |
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你這已經放寬了我剛才提到就業金卡裡面就有四項合一的就是給你們去延攬進來都有在規範裡面但是你們還是沒有辦法因為我們就是一萬四千的特定專業人才裡面我們是因為我們有設定減稅等相關的規定所以我們設定的是我現在跟你講就業金卡部分這也是延攬人才啊對不對所以你的七萬人你做得到嗎 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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我們有信心可以達到2030年要達到所以本席在這邊也要請副主委還是對問題的根本你們就應該要跨部會去統籌來做合作的機制讓我們整個目標要更加的明確來增加生育率的問題讓我們國人能夠有生養的問題的意願更願意生養 |
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主席、各位委員、各位官員大家好。想請副主委來請高副主委 |
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委員早副主委你好本席是婦產科醫師也是博運政醫師所以剛剛許多委員所提到的少子化的問題相信也是國發會今年會統計而且分析的重點項目是嗎 |
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在去年的報告國發會告訴我們說重點的產業中缺人原因超過四分之一佔比主要原因這邊我們看到說不管對於這個 |
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行政院在99年10月13號的院會依據《產業創新條例》第17條指定國發會是專責機關負責建立協調整合機制並且推動產業人才的資源發展相關事宜強化產業所需人才提升競爭力 |
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具體的責任就包括針對最近最新未來產業人才供需進行調查跟推估這份報告也非常多人在看媒體也會討論那根據前一個年度的辦理成果來發布所謂的重點產業人才欠缺主要原因包括會診這個經濟部啦、交通部、數位部 |
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農委會、金管會六大部門十九項重點產業人才調查跟推估來綜合分析欠缺人才的主要原因。我想請教一下我們固定會在每年的五月發布這份內容。如今我們還看不到針對2023年盤點過後的報告內容。請問這個報告到底什麼時候國人才看得到? |
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現在走行政流程很快就會公布了已經完成了對是那我們來看一下這是2022年所以是2023年的檢討報告我們至少會看出來說這19項重點的產業呢特別需要人才供需產業已經有10項是超過50%的廠商都在反映說人才不足我們看左半塊 |
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左半塊許許多多是我們現在的創新產業比如說光電、AI、智慧機械、精準健康都是重點的國家發展項目這些都有50%的廠商反應欠缺人才最左邊兩項觀光還有IC更是高達88%的廠商反應欠缺人才還有我們來看右半邊像是紡織、旅宿 |
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都各別有超過四成的廠商反應欠缺,還有投信投顧證券也有超過三成。副主委可不可以講一下我們即將分析公布的2023年的報告,跟這個2022年會有什麼差異,或是有什麼產業的變化嗎? |
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對,那跟委員報告,我這邊沒有詳細的這個,可是我聽我們同仁說,其實業別有一些差異,可是的確他看起來…那缺工的問題是更嚴重嗎?對,就是說…是更加嚴重?應該是差不多吧,差不多就是人才不足的這些…產業別有些差異,可是情況應該大概類似。好,我們看下一張。 |
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這個重點產業缺人的原因你們自己分析的原因超過四分之一佔比是因為人才的供給數量不足另外像是流動率過高、素質不符、薪資不具誘因等等等等 |
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我想請問您過去馬政府曾經在2015年設置了行政院人口及人才政策匯報再到蔡政府上台後的2017年當時林全院長也利用原有的資源來設置這樣子的匯報請問現在這個匯報還在嗎? |
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基本上我們現在人才及移民政策的我們是用首長會議就是基本上首長會議那次有我們在國發會有我們之前的拱組委是拱民署長來主持那參與的部會包括經濟部、勞動部、教育部、內政部等等僱委會等相關的部會所以是由您來提供報告跟數據應該是說會定期 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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這個剛剛非常非常多的委員關切過我們行政院在2018年通過了五年期的我國小子女化對策計畫支持國發會讓國發會可以管理考核衛福部、教育部來更秤薪後來到了2021年決定再把這個專案延長到2024年 |
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我想請問副主委您覺得我們過去2024年以前你們的這樣少子女化的對策有具體的做出一些幫助嗎?就是目前那個少子女化對策因為涉及的部會非常的多所以現在其實是之前的林萬一以前曾委員在 |
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在主持的那基本上這個計畫到2024年到期的時候我想應該還就是這個計畫持續在滾動調整然後如果屆期的話也一定會有新的計畫來做所以我們2024年以後會有2025年的我國小子女化對策計畫會有2.0版本是嗎是會用什麼樣的名稱我不曉得可是絕對會持續的推動好 |
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那我們也很期待看你們有看到怎麼樣因應對策,謝謝是,是,謝謝請邱盈盈稍微質詢好,謝謝主席,我是不是請一下高副主委請高副主委 |
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副主委早副主委早副主委我想就直接請教您這個我們國發會的計畫目標要在6年之內留下19萬的僱外生用來填補國內有超過一半的人力短缺 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三人擬具 |
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一半、才六千多人而已。而且現在看起來的國籍是馬來西亞籍畢業的僱外生留台工作是持續增加,人數已經超越了日本達到了首位。 |
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這個我還是要進一步請教副主委您們怎麼看就像我們今天提到的這個我們今天的修法內容雖然本席的這個提案的法案因為程序的關係還來不及併案審查但是您剛在答詢的時候也針對我的提案其實應該這個也是國發會未來修法的這樣的一個重點 |
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那您覺得,就我剛剛提出的這個問題,跟未來我們如果照這樣子的一個修法通過,您覺得這樣的誘因足夠嗎?足夠讓您在很快的時間內能夠達標來填補這樣一個人力短缺嗎?來,副主委。 |
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7551.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
一、本院委員羅美玲等 |
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這個人數其實就非常的重要那教育部其實他們有一些既定的規劃甚至他們染柴甚至到要到東南亞去直接的設點去把僱外生引進回來那就我們來說我們在設定這樣的目標的時候其實我們有責成教育部要有每年他希望他們達成僱外生來台就學的人數 |
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好,那我們透過這樣子的管控,因為基本上如果你來這邊念書的時候,第一個你用了我們的這個教育的資源,第二個你也熟悉我們的文化,熟悉我們的一些風俗,所以基本上,如果以台灣的環境來說,他們留在台灣的意願,其實剛才...所以副主,您講的這個部分是有來念書的,你覺得可以適度的來補充,我剛剛提到的這一塊。 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
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7664.127 |
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但是相關的法令規定其實是有一些嚴苛剛剛國發會講的是利用僱外生那現在如果在企業界裡面我現在提到你們這個就業福法裡面就講了嘛你規定要設立未滿一年的公司實收資本額要達到五百萬以上營業額要達到一千萬以上那根據這個稅籍的登記台灣的資本額在五百萬以上的企業只有佔百分之十八 |
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我們現在對於留學生的就業的政策比較,台灣跟日本相對是嚴格的。香港、加拿大、法國、德國相對是比較寬鬆,他們有什麼特別特殊的要求? |
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7700.995 |
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那我們呢還算是在最嚴格的這一端比如說你要規定公司的資本額要500萬以上營業額要達1000萬以上當然我知道問過你們你們說因為很怕那種人頭公司去設立假公司然後去專門聘用外國人 |
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那這個考量也是對問題是對於很多正常設立的企業他根本不知道他如何甚至他能不能很快速的來聘用這一些外國人或者是僱外生對企業的聘用來講那個流程他們完全不清楚不瞭解甚至我們現在講很多的外國的自由的藝術工作者 |
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他其實是沒有特定僱主的。那就我們現在的相關的法令的規範,其實他們要留在台灣是不容易的啊。勞動部你們怎麼看? |
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是,那謝謝委員的指教有關僱外生的協助留在臺灣工作的部分目前我們短期內是朝向先把我們每年的各一個合配的這個評點制的這個原額的部分再做擴充甚至也配合相關部會的期望去把這個評點制裡面的項目再做一些放寬點數再做一些增加來鼓勵他們有機會能夠符合相關的規定至於僱主的部分剛剛委員也提到了我們主要的顧慮其實在於說這些僱主他僱用僱外生的時候會不會有一些 |
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對於喬艾森的工作權益有一些影響跟擔心,這個疑慮要排除。所以目前呢,大部分如果是製造業的話都不會有問題。這部分其實他們在這個僱主資本額的限制上,其實如果是屬於六大核心產業或者是相關新創創新事業,那部分都可以排除了。 |
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主要是在服務業的部分尤其是像批發零售或者是這些這個餐飲等等那這個部分我們雖然目前仍然維持有相關的這個營業的限制但是我們可以用個案的方式去做跨部會的會商個案的方式申請是不是會程序更繁瑣個案其實是更繁瑣嘛所以你對企業來講他根本不要去個案申請啊 |
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7840.695 |
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我們主要還是說那個流程會走很久嘛主要第一個向各個企業這邊去做宣導這個教育部跟我們都持續在進行第二個這裡面的會商的程序有沒有可以再精簡的地方這個部分我們再來跟部會做一些其實我是覺得這樣啦勞動部當然的立場一定是要保護本國勞工但是你們沒有去考量各個不同的企業對於各個不同國籍人士的專業人士的需求 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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一、本國勞工的立場上你其實要站在企業上如何協助企業能夠有更多的人才如何協助國家能夠有更多的人才留在台灣共同努力這個角度上去思考的話我覺得你們很多的法規都是其實都是應該要再重新考量重新檢討的好不好謝謝委員提醒這部分我們要注意他的橫平性謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
好,我們現在休息五分鐘。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
7954.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7965.619 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8027.33 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等六、本院委員王定宇等七、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等九、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院 |
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8049.173 |
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所以你們要另外再去頂一頂。我們這裡,你們法門寫65歲,對不對?我們原本的法門寫65歲才能領取,對不對?所以就是他現在只是說,他只要他失了,所以你們可能自己要請修正案,因為說王委員,因為那時候我們提給他,我都給你們看過了,你們有沒有了? |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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8075.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8097.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
一、本院委員羅美玲等二、本院委員羅美玲等三、本院委員羅美玲等四、本院委員羅美玲等五、本院委員羅美玲等六、本院委員羅美玲等七、本院委員羅美玲等八、本院委員羅美玲等八、本院委員羅美玲等九、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院委員羅美玲等十、本院 |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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8130.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8149.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等六、本院委員王定宇等七、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等六、本院委員王定宇等七、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等六、本院委員王定宇等七、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院委員王定宇等八、本院 |
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對呀,然後有一些就是他可能關於一切的問題啊,是不是,比較比較仔細尊敬學問啊,就特意轉移他的材料啊,有的就說他只是翻他的材料,他就自己轉移就可以了,讓他留下一個就是可以花一點時間在談話,或者是一直可以一直維護一個人在談話,就這樣子,類似,類似像這樣。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8261.829 |
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好,我們現在繼續開會,請各位同仁盡速就座,好嗎?好,接下來我們請葛如君委員發言。欸,這邊,這邊,您走錯了。不好意思,因為你比較少來經濟委員會。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8277.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
好,謝謝主席,有請國發會副主委以及教育部代表備詢,謝謝。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8315.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
謝謝今天有這樣的一個機會來跟副主委請教關於AI人才需求的議題原因是近來國際之間的頻傳因為AI人才短缺未來還會更缺所以各國都爭相挖角AI人才這樣的一個新聞到處都是美國聯邦政府甚至宣布要在內部開始增加AI人員的配置今年夏天以前要招募100名相關的人才據悉 |
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幾本年薪超過459萬臺幣：Elon Musk很多人也都發表過我們就不多說那請教一下副主委如何看待國際的目前這些現象我們AI的人才有沒有在關注有或沒有跟委員報告我想AI是一個第四次的產業革命那其實每個國家都把 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8382.108 |
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的系裡面我們也開設一些跨領域的那第二個是產學公寓大家知道半導體學院等等的還有區域產學人才培訓中心那第三個就是我們也希望企業自己培養他自己需要的人才大概有這三個面向我想機會很難得我就讓你全部講完沒關係這個非常這個相對的完整 |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
但我們現在這個AI內閣相信對AI人才應該要更多的了解我們國會會的調查我們現在的缺口很大而且還會持續擴大大概有3000人然後我們的這個接下來還會在缺口會持續的在擴大持續的成長人工智慧應用的服務的新增需求人數超過5000人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8429.285 |
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再來我們又發現有非常非常多的困難這是經濟部工業局的調查這不是我們亂填的招募困難難難難上加難那我們其實已經看到紐約時報3月份的報導提到AI人才最大的生產國中國已經佔一半了美國也只有18%我們台灣一定要來做得好否則的話我們到時候又來討論什麼AI人才到底從哪裡來的問題 |
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那我想從產業端裡面我們都應該要來多了解那您剛剛提到的這些問題我們有問CHAT GPT-4最新的版本其實確實您剛剛提到的點大概都有在裡面我想接下來希望我們可以人機一起協作加上我們在這個中央、部會還有我們的立院一起來努力那我想接下來的這種AI的人才在這個教育的體系裡面也應該要持續的培養 |
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8457.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8464.516 |
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有沒有知道請教一下這個廖司長我們教育體系每年大概可以培養出多少AI人才知道嗎?時間可以暫停嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8476.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8499.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
1905位一年1905位我們連自己到底有多少AI人才我們自己都不知道這是非常危險的這個未來我們這個擔心的地方人才越來越多我們引進的也不夠自己生產的也不夠人才還外流這真的是非常危險我們看一下這個微軟一直說很重要特斯拉也說很重要大家全世界都說很重要 |
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8500.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們國科會推動海外人才歸國橋接方案,四年來花了四億,只有97人留下來。然後我們國發會合法的就業金卡科技類去年一整年值網路到372人,你沒有聽錯,300不是3000,實在令人非常的憂心。請教一下能不能國發會協同教育部、國科會、數位部等相關部會建立跨部會的AI人力資源現況調查機制以及多久可以完成這個調查? |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8548.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
基本上我們都有持續就那個產業人才的缺口進行調查那AI人才應該也是會在我們的調查裡面那我們事後可以提供給委員我們現在這個調查在走行政流程那一旦公布的時候我們就給委員資料希望三個月內將調查結果公布給本席辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8550.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
以正職員工聘請某位來台灣就讀大學的外國留學生,是他已經畢業了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8578.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8600.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
外國留學生正要畢業正要畢業那應該是要取得學位的好很好我們來看一下這個依據就業服務法第五十條第一款僱主聘任就讀於大專院校的外國留學生工作時間除了寒暑假之外每星期的總之就是無法用正職方式聘任如果用實習的方式合作呢這個業主就這樣我就這個來了解嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
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他說,中共工作的能力是正職的專業程度,為什麼只能用實習來聘任呢?這對學生不太公平。但受限於法規,這些學生就先以實習的方式參與工作了。那我又再進一步問,也問您,如果這個學生畢業以後能不能用正職來聘任,您覺得畢業以後的聘任可行嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
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根據《外國人從事就業服務法》第40條第一項第一款至第六款工作資格及審查標準第五條第二款規定取得國內外大學相關系所之碩士以上學位者或取得系所之學士學位而有兩年以上工作經驗者也就是說這位同學即使在這個公司實習兩年實習兩年經驗並不能認為工作資格 |
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所以結果就是這個學生畢業以後被這個公司預裁了兩年以後結果即使有留在臺灣工作的意願最後還是一定要離開臺灣啦齁你覺得這樣合理嗎當然不合理所以我們現在有一個橋外生評點制度你可以用橋外生評點制度留在臺灣不需要適用救福法第46條第一項第一款的規定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8701.143 |
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那這個評點制度推行了多久?已經十年了那人數呢?去年多少人用?一萬多人全部都可以解決剛剛這個問題嗎?你們要搞清楚喔!我們的陳情是說無法解決喔!那如果是這樣我非常高興不然呢我們國會改革法通過就有它的目的喔沒有關係我們相信你們是真的喔那也希望到時候我們也會在臉書上面在社群上面分享是陳情 |
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8729.429 |
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大家不要誤會了,我們有非常好的郵財機制。結論,本席理解勞動政策有非常多的地方要考量,但是真的希望可以讓來台灣就讀大學或研究所、完整學制的學生,真的要有多一點的就業彈性。另外你們也提到有這個鬆綁、相關的計畫,也希望一併考量進去。希望都可以帶回去市場看看,未來有什麼樣的AI人才可以持續來培育,有一些外國來台灣就學的我們希望可以留下來。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
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讓臺灣的人才、技技成為下一個世代競爭力的高峰。謝謝。是,謝謝。好,謝謝葛如君委員。接下來請謝依鳳委員發言。我們中午就不休息,直到發言結束為止。好,謝謝主席。我想要請我們副主委。來,請高副主委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8763.652 |
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8782.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
其實剛才有委員問到我們看到其實現在世界的趨勢生成是AI的市場規模其實是越來越大所以我們在希望說台灣也可以在這一塊發展的時候 |
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8783.487 |
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8803.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
如果目前我看到的是從我們產發署的資料來說每年都需要最保守都是3600以上的人力缺口那我想請問的如果我們有這樣子的需求的時候那在教育部門 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
教育部門或其他研修課程部門有沒有辦法提供我們所需的人才? |
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8821.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
議員報告一下就是說其實我們過去幾年來我們只知道因為數位轉型也不只是現在AI才發生所以我們在高校這邊我們是全力擴充STAND系所的招生名額跟教學能量那的確有一個具體的數字然後我們同時也鼓勵非資訊科系的系所開跨領域的數位科技為學程 |
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二、本院委員邱志偉等二、本院委員邱志偉等二、本院委員邱志偉等 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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8886.161 |
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8914.441 |
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那另外一個就是我們今天的攬財我們也希望從國外去積極延攬海外的人才來台灣那比如說金創台灣裡面有很多的很多的經費就是希望把國外的新創尤其是AI的這一塊的人才延攬到台灣來那甚至在東歐也設立了一個攬財的據點所以其實政府事實上是多管齊下但是多管齊下到底有沒有效果 |
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就從過去的這樣子的一段期間以來那到底效果是如何以及如果效果不彰的時候我們要怎麼樣子改變我們的策略那今天的修法是不是就可以符合我們這樣子的需求對 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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9024.926 |
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因為基本上我們現在是我們對於其實在在學的這些僑外生是有一些實習的規範當然我們也要顧慮到他工作時日太多的話其實有點像是假就學真實習我們會怕這樣子可是一旦他取得學位以我們現行的規定僑外生評點制度他是百分之一百只如果他有意願是可以絕對可以留在台灣的這樣子 |
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9049.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
對 我是說因為這牽涉到要不要就是攬才跟留才的這個部分嘛那我才會想說就是說以實習當然就是說是不是要以實習或者是來讓這些碩博士生以及就是有特殊專業的人士留在台灣那發共同發展那是不是你覺得如果你們評估咧 |
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當然就是如果還在在學中間實習是很重要的我們會扮演那個他在如果他是一個真正AI的相關的這些我們需要的高級的這些人才我們會媒介我們國內的企業讓他有實習的機會因為他要是認識這些企業他留在 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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9089.324 |
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9097.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、 |
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我想委員提醒我們就在學的這一端我怎麼樣增加他留在台灣以後拿到學會後留在台灣的誘因這一塊那還有他實習的一些便利性我想我們會來檢討 |
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謝謝委員提醒,謝謝。好,謝謝謝依鳳委員。接下來我們請林一錦委員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9170.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
謝主席有請教育部國際司廖高賢代理司長、國發會副主委還有僱委會朝生處的檢任視察和勞動部勞動立法人署的主任秘書陳祖密來委員長 |
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9178.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9203.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我想先請教一下這個教育部喔這個上週教委會我在請那個教育部專案報告的時候有提到國際招生跟台灣優華語化的計畫那本席提出華語教學人員待遇的議題那這個提到說國內華語中心的華語教學人員大多是兼任制的那三個月一聘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9212.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員邱志偉等一、本院委員 |
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9224.414 |
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9229.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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9245.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9272.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
教育部潘前部長跟我答詢說他會請國際司再來檢視那也會來設法完善這個華語教師的制度以穩定他的師資那我想我們必須認定認識到說有穩定的師資我們才會有這個穩定的這個華語的這個教學那所以請教就現在到底開始著手來檢視這個整個教師的待遇那未來有什麼需要調整改善的計畫沒有 |
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9299.815 |
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謝謝委員的提問跟委員說明現在我們華語教室有兩類第一類就像剛才那個委員所提出來的我們國內有65所的華語文中心在教授外籍人士的一些相關華語那這個部分呢我們也有折騰各個學校的華語中心能夠完善他們對於這些華語老師的一些契約聘僱包括剛才提到的勞健保以及相關的一些保障這個已經目前我們在華語計畫裡頭已經有在推動 |
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那至於說對外輸出華師的部分因為涉及到對國外大學他們的需求薪資的一個條件那我們教育部補助的是他生活費的部分那在去年我們也把整個生活費配合行政院的日資費有所調整以上報告 |
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第二本院委員王定宇等 |
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需要競爭40萬其中僱外生就增加20萬名應該要增加20萬名雖然過去僱外生留台統計的數據我們每一年畢業的僱外生雖然有成長但是 |
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就2019年度的數據來看有一萬人可是最終留在台灣工作的其實大概只有一半上下而已那很多僱生當初選擇來台灣念書除了學費、生活費相對的平易近人以外其實很多人是喜歡台灣的喔那對台灣的文化也非常的熱愛好 那僱生在台灣除了念大學碩士以外其實他如果他還 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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資本額五百萬或營業額一千萬以上的企業才能僱用僱生。那很多新創公司跟中小企業他都沒有辦法聘僱那還有就是僱主不願意幫忙辦這些工作許可因為他這個程序非常的繁瑣那還有 |
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還有就是有些雇主根本不知道怎麼樣幫這些僑外生申請勞動簽證那所以這就是讓這些學生沒有辦法留在台灣那還有很多僑生也不曉得了解所謂的相關的法規那更多當然是受到留台工作這個評點制的限制那我想剛剛 |
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有委員詢問那也知道說之前僱委會有表示說已經跟勞動部有建議要移除這評點制的門檻那所以我想說要了解現在到底什麼時候可以上路實施 |
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關於評點制度的名額我們會先朝擴充的方向去做擴充它的額度有人講的不瞭解法規就是說不瞭解相關法規還有評點制度這塊其實教育部、勞動部都會一起去做到學校去做宣導讓這些僱外生瞭解部主的部分不瞭解 |
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議員王定宇等 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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同時製造業如果有很多它的這個包括是屬於六大核心或者是五家相關產業的話也不受這個限制那另外服務業的部分因為它的營業的規模稍微比較小所以這邊就是剛剛我們傅主席所講的它是透過跨部會、個案會商的方式來進行所以這裡面還是有空間可以處理好 謝謝那期待這部分齁大家再加強努力齁OK 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝委員好 謝謝林益錦委員來接下來我們請陳秀寶委員發言 |
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謝主席先請國防會來請國防會高副主委 |
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高副主委好面對這個延攬國際人才這個競逐挑戰因為各國都在搶人才那為了使優秀的外來人士規劃我國更友善更便利呢我們也三讀通過了國籍法放寬外國的高級專業人才申請規劃的這個居留年限呢從五年放寬到兩年 |
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兩年,然後那個條件就是每年需有一百八十三日以上的合法居留事實繼續五年,放寬為繼續兩年或是曾經在我國領域內合法居留繼續五年以上呢就無需有一百八十三日以上合法居留的事實來強化我們臺灣延攬優秀人才的這個誘因喔那今天呢本會也在討論說外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十四條及二十一條的修正以及增列第二十一條之一的條文草案 |
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那本席是其實是很支持的就是說以修讀學位拘留期間來抵免應該是可行的那副主委這邊您覺得說外國專業人才以及外國專業特定人才所折抵的標準是不是應該有不一樣您的看法呢 |
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是,現存的條文就有不一樣。那我們這次的修正主要把折抵的連線根據這兩個類別再行放寬,再行增加。本來就不一樣嘛,所以說放寬的標準也會不一樣。那針對委員的提案說,修讀碩士可折抵一年,學士可折抵兩年,那您的看法呢?針對那個外國特定專業人才我們是同意的。 |
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因為我外國特定專業人才原來是博士只能折抵一年,碩士不能折抵。那現在委員提案是兩年,博士兩年,碩士一年,我們是同意的。那針對呢專科、副學士也可以折抵一年,這個有沒有科系跟專業的限縮? |
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我們一般專業人才裡面現在就是原來現行是博士兩年、碩士一年那委員的提案是希望博士兩年然後學士也納到碩士裡面也可以折抵一年那有另外一個委員的建議是副學士以上還有甚至學士是要按照他的就學年資 |
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如果是四年就可以折抵兩年那我們比較傾向是用就是博士兩年學士以上就是包含碩士是一年的這個方向來所以您的看法好 了解那這個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法我們在107年的2月實施而且在110年10月有修正我們也進一步的鬆綁對外國專業人士的工作拘留 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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這個目標其中包括外國專業人才有7萬那目前我們延攬的外國專業人才有多少?明年你們設定有多少人的目標?那我們外國專業人才是包括特定跟一般專業人才那我們目前的特定專業人才到目前為止已經有到一萬四千人了那專業一般專業人才呢?五萬六好OK |
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對,那我們有信心啦,而且我們也有責任,一定要達到這樣的目標。其實這樣的業務,其實故意提供我們這些國際人才的這些,不管是相關的協助,他們來台申辦的程序,這些相關的協助我們都一定要做,因為我們希望說國際的優秀人才能夠進來留得住。 |
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所以今天才會也針對說委員所提的這個案子我們來討論也希望說以你們的專業能夠在這個整個的這個法規的修訂上在可以的範圍之內盡量提供這一些人才他們更多的誘因那接下來我想請勞動部勞動部是我們勞動力發展署的主秘嗎 |
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協工一直是產業很關注的議題。少子化也會讓未來缺工的問題更嚴重。本席認為,面對缺工的問題,如果只是想靠嚴禁移工並不能有效地解決問題,如何提供 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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是,各位委員報告齁,這個缺工的部分各個行業陸續都有這樣的一個訊息,那所以勞動部這邊第一個對於所有各行各業通通都適用的部分是主要是透過就業媒合來做一些服務,但是像製造業尤其它只是它的一個製造的一個製程或者它的一個時程有比較特別而讓國人投入的意願不是特別高的部分,這個部分我們有所謂的就業獎勵鼓勵勞工朋友包括青年朋友投入這些比較辛苦比較 |
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比較不大願意去參與的這樣子的一個行業別那有這樣子的一個就業促進的工具來做運用就業獎勵的部分我們的青年朋友都會知道嗎?你們用什麼管道去宣傳?是,那我們目前對於青年的服務的工作第一個是他在校的時候我們就結合學校在他還沒畢業之前就做一些就業準備的一個工作那另外我們本身勞動部也有青年職涯發展中心以及我們各地的就業服務中心這個部分依然可以在他離校之後持續來做這個青年的追蹤跟協助 |
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在這邊再請教我們台灣跟印度已經簽訂了勞工合作備忘錄是我們台灣回歸23年來新增的一個移工來源國那勞動部這邊何時會公告正式公告印度是新增的移工來源國呢是跟委員報告這個部分第一個我們還是必須先尊重大院這邊對於這一個MLU的內容的一個審議的一個結果才有可能繼續往下推展雙邊的工作的一個層級的會議 |
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所以這個部分必須先以院裡面的這邊來做後續的處理那另外在雙邊的工作層級的會議當中必須要討論引進的相關的細節包括引進的行業別人數以及相關的作業的方式到底是直聘還是用聘那個仲介雙軌等等這裡面還有很多的討論 |
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所以很多的細節都還沒有確定喔那我們勞動部間是有規定說需先聘用本國勞工由於而才能聘移工所以本實驗希望說產業不能因為低薪找不到人就要用移工來補必須以合理的薪資為前提 |
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所以說我也希望說勞動部這邊應該要積極的開發中高齡、高齡、二度就業的婦女在這種潛在的勞動力來因應缺工也讓我們這些失業的人口他們有一個就是跟缺工企業媒合的機會另外再提醒因為印度境內的族群比較複雜光是語言就有二三十種 |
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以現在我們台灣多數移工沒有母語翻譯的狀況希望勞動部可以先因應就是說未來對如果引進印度移工的這個翻譯的問題要先做好準備是,謝謝委員以上的提醒我們都會注意以上謝謝主席,謝謝好,謝謝陳秀寶委員好,接下來我們請張祺凱委員發言 |
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來請高副主委副主委你好今天應該算是今天最新的好消息馬國柯林也是很艱困的挑戰因為半導體業的這個發展熱今天最新的新聞公我們產業的用電創了最近兩年半最大的漲幅 |
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昨月四月份我們的用電比去年的同期成長了6%這是很好的消息表示我們的產業在整個經濟是在往上走的可是看起來用電的挑戰非常非常的大所以我今天要請教你一個問題第一個那這個用電量一直在增加現在電到底夠不夠各位委員報告就是 |
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充裕穩定的電力絕對是贈本的重中之重。我只能說是AI專家,對不對?他推AI。AI跟這個精密的晶片啊,半導體都是用電,耗電非常大的。我知道各位這個好消息代表了後面挑戰就非常大的,所以我直接問你很清楚的。目前,半導體這個產業啊,精密的這個晶片啊,占我們用電的比例有多高?一百多電裡面有多少電是用在我們的半導體上面? |
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這個數字我不是非常清楚啦可是就我所知啦其實每年呢其實經濟部都會有針對我們每年的用電的需求量跟供給量做一個評估那這個也是一個公開的資訊啦我會請教你這個原因是像我自己人啊那台積電就要來加以設廠嘛對不對那個用電就增加我們當然是樂觀形成我們在爭取的拜託在用電方面你要多支持而且國家 |
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國、你們非常重要,你們國家重要政策發展都是你們在主導嘛,對不對?所以你一方面要這樣用電是無虞的,那一方面我要很清楚,你們說要了解的就是,國發會應該要做一個評估啊,例如說,你們的主委是專家,AI方面可能會用掉多少電? |
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三、本院委員邱志偉等三、本院委員邱志偉等 |
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其他的需要電動化的這兩個現在用電最多啦半導體跟AI它當然也有重疊的地方啦好不好這方面你目前還沒做評估報告嗎我覺得它應該是有做相關因為半導體其實產業在台灣已經很 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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現在很多人在幫我們國家的經濟加油樂觀很樂觀的這個狀況之下是有些擔心的是是我想我們現在整體的能源政策跟整個能源的這個結果你看現在再生能源是八年最近這八年來蔡政府非常急急推的那現在政府上來了對我就看了一下去這過去八年再生能源 |
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三、本院委員邱志偉等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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這是不是簡單的數學成長6%結果努力8年只有再生能源要補上去的只有4.8%結果又有3.5%的核能要不見了這麼簡單的數學那怎麼辦電力會不夠啊 |
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國務委員 |
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二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等 |
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就是蔡政府努力,已經那麼努力啦,才成長了4.8%我拿今天的新聞來做對比今年4月份光是產業的用電就增加6%已經追不上去了嘛我今天跟你講都是非常殘酷的事實喔所以7月27號是不是要討論一下河山廠的一號機真的要停嗎? |
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包括未來的核電是不是真的要停下來?是,有關於這個議題的話,就是我們之前我們拱前主委或是我們拱命算也有提到,就是我們這個議題就會尋求全民的共識,然後再做後續的一些決定。我另外問一個,您國發會去年剛核准這個643億的經費去打造2030年的電動化公車,結果現在出現兩個問題了。 |
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現在一年耗電,我可以統計差不多7億、8千3百萬多,現在電到底夠不夠?我們剛剛討論的也是AI的用電、半導體的用電,現在電動車也要用電,一年要7億8千3百萬度,這電到底有夠用嗎? |
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委員報告 |
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現在很多地方連充電廠都沒有怎麼充電。一方面是可能有電沒有車,一方面是有了車可能也有電,連充電廠都沒有啊。你們大部分市首善之都現在充電廠都找不到啊,現在怎麼搞的? |
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所以後面會全力的去充製去裝置充電廠我們很理性科學的問政所以你幾個東西請你要注意而且要給我資料好不好第一個剛講的AI跟半導體它未來的一年它可能會增加多少需要多少電你們要一個預估不只評估你要一個調查報告你兩個禮拜給我OK不OK |
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應該可以應該可以對不對然後第二個電動車現在很明顯的就是充電廠都沒有你們要趕快去可能要做一個協調好不好我知道台北市政府也很緊張也出來講台中市政府都出來講你們要去幫忙而且要去幫忙怎麼幫忙你兩個禮拜或給我一個報告那個充電廠可不可以一個月一個月因為我們還要洽其他相關的部會好不好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝張祺凱委員。接下來我們請林月琴委員發言。謝謝主席。那麻煩我們的常肇思的副市長。來,請常肇思副市長。 |
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副市長,今天事實上是針對於我們的外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的修正草案。 |
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我想你也知道你為什麼會站在這邊因為今天事實上我們的王委員有一個提案嘛那事實上各國都極盡所能的想要延攬專業的人才進入到他的國家裡面甚至也歡迎專業移民那要做到這個的話事實上政府要拿出更多的友善更有力的政策因為這些人畢竟要來 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、 |
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今天各委員有針對不同的版本的修正,那各部會也有做出比較好回應。可是針對王定宇委員修正條文衛福部的回應讓我相當驚訝。因為王委員修正的條文精神是希望我們在延攬人才的過程當中重視我們的身障跟長期照顧。 |
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這個對於我們國外的重要人才能夠長居在台灣的話事實上是非常友善的一個政策可是這個前提是這些人才為我們台灣做出不管是知識上或是勞動經濟上的一個貢獻可是衛福部的回應竟然是說目前已經有所謂的馬街計畫 |
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計劃內容大致上是保障居住我國20年以上每年居住超過180天及內政部核發外僑永久居住郵政而對我國有特殊與貢獻奉獻年滿65歲以上的外籍人士透過馬街計劃可申請我們的長照服務的給付等那王委員的版本跟馬街計劃並不衝突 |
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議員們的看法是什麼?是 |
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委員那這邊衛福部這邊做一個回應其實對於就像委員說的要能夠廣納這些外國的專業人才那我們其實是也是持說希望能夠吸引更多的人才來到台灣然後不管是說就業服務的這個部分所以我們其實是希望能夠朝能夠協助多元跟包容的方向來去廣納吸引這些人才進來 |
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那只不過是說因為這一些人才目前來說他可能現在都還是屬於在就業的年齡層那後續如果說他的眷屬或者是子女那未來可能需要使用長照服務的這個部分那他都可能還需要再去實際的去精算這樣子的一個失能人數的部分或者是說他可能是身障又失能的這一段那所以我們可能還需要再做一個更嚴謹的 |
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可是我要提醒的是從兒權公約的精神來講兒權公約第十條也明定父母不應該跟他的子女長期事實上是分離的狀態裡邊那今天一個人才來到台灣他在就業當中他的子女如果今天因為身障而不能進入到台灣因為我們的如果整個的照顧服務體系也沒有辦法表現友善的話更要再回到我們的生權公約角度上來看的話 |
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是不是可以回去精算一下說到底會產生多少的一個這樣的支出尤其我最近才辦完三場的我們的生權法的修正的公聽會那每一個帳別有不同的需求那我們也期待在我們要延攬人才的時候可能要去考慮到我們的生權公約跟兒權公約提及的這些相關的觀念 |
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來保障來臺灣貢獻的這些人能夠帶著他的配偶跟子女來到臺灣然後也是同樣能夠獲得我們一樣同等的照顧那也麻煩你們是不是可以把這個精算出來的一些數據能夠提供出來是那這部分我們後續再做一個評估以後呢兩週可以嗎可以一個月左右的時間嗎是不是可以 |
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請委員讓我們比較詳細的去精算一下這部分的一個那麻煩謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝林月琴委員接下來請侯孟楷委員發言主席謝謝請國發會高副主委來請國發會 |
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主委,今天可惜主委還沒有過來,但是我想你應該已經跟主委開過會了吧?主委在這一次有特別提到是說,面對AI時代,希望能夠讓台灣AI產業化、產業AI化。有沒有具體說要怎麼做? |
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基本上其實就我想AI這個政策新內閣成立之前其實也已經有精創台灣了也有AI 1.0跟2.0的相關的政策那我覺得台灣現在產業AI相關產業的人才缺口有多少基本上應該如果我們看看那個STAND的人才我們有做一些推估應該有一些相 |
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台灣的產業媒體相關也有整理出來AI應用是三大產業領域裡面人才缺口最大的總共有高達2.5萬的人才缺口 |
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那本席想請教啊,現在感覺新政府言必稱AI啊AI內閣AI產業化、產業AI化那我們今天也在審理相關人才相關的一些法條那我們自己就最內部的如果說我們自己的產業都有高達兩萬五千個人才缺口那我們要怎麼樣培養AI的人才還是用口號 |
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我想絕對不是口號。我也希望不是口號。就是其實這個國科會在AI1.0、AI2.0裡面其實人才培育就是它的重點項目之一。那我們基本的策略就是第一個就是先培養我們高教的、STAND相關的人才。譬如說增加招生的名額跟科系。然後呢而且讓那些非資訊的。所以跟教育部合作。教育部合作,對。 |
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然後有產學公寓比如說我們的半導體學院那個創新條例裡面的然後另外一個就是包括我們延攬精創台灣裡面怎麼樣延攬AI的新創的人才到台灣來所以外國的人才對所以預計這幾方面你的比例怎麼配比 |
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基本上當然越多越好每一個越多越好那是整個餅越多越好你有辦法達到2.5萬人的缺口那另外一方面你多少是我們台灣自己高教培養多少是外國人才進來這都要去計算吧是是會這都有計算吧是會有計算這都有規劃吧對有所以你現在的方向是什麼好基本上那個Stan的人才裡面我們逐年都擴增他站 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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是環境部長有提到一個很重要就是在今年本來是說4月我們的碳費費率要出來但是沒有出來現在又說6月才要開審議委員會希望能夠把它訂立碳費但我們也看到了國發會就是認為說現在2050精靈碳排目標所以也push環境部說趕快來把碳費這邊要確認對不對 |
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我想碳費的徵收目前應該還是按照我們現在既有的時程規劃的時程來計劃既有規劃時程是什麼時候明年就要開始明年徵收嘛今年公告明年徵收嘛對啊那現在今年都還沒公告啊這重點本來講三月底 |
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因為千呼萬喚總是要使出來嘛三月底然後又講說四月底現在又講說六月六月能不能出來剛剛環境部長講的是說那是碳費審議委員會的決策部長無權過問 |
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我想的確就是就如部長說的因為我們碳費的制定成立一個委員會所以我們還是要尊重委員會的決定那當然我們會希望至少今年啦今年底希望是不是可以在委員會裡面達到一個共識然後達到一個決定這樣子 |
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你剛講目標還是不變,但是你沒有辦法,所以你只能希望。對,我跟委員報告就是說,其實情勢是在變化當中的。情勢當然在變化,滾動檢討嘛。那我現在的講法就是說,我們現在的設定是按照既定的時程。有沒有信心在今年六月的時候可以出來費率? |
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就看看那個,因為那個基本上委員會我沒有參加。您不是主委,我不為難你啦。是。但另外一個部分,能源政策是不是也應該要滾動檢討?我同意,我想同意。同意嗎?對。現在七大工業國G7,他們之前有提出了一個方向,什麼方向?它的結論有沒有看到?七大工業國。 |
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他們認為核能不再發表反核的言論並且承認核能環保地位這一個第二2035年之前逐步淘汰燃煤發電就是減少火力發電的占比尤其是碳排比較大的燃煤2035要淘汰燃煤發電 |
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承認核能環保的地位不再發表反核的言論。那既然如此我想現在大家都在講我們國發會規劃的2050電力配比目標再生能源佔60到70%非常高的比例甚至是高過一半以上以現在還剩20多年的時間有辦法做到嗎?以現在技術、人力、物力、效率 |
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二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等 |
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到時候有更多比如說青人有其他的創新人員的技術會出來在這個衡量之下我們覺得因為這個設定的60到70我們跟其他的國家比較或者是IEA公布的政府人員比較 |
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11326.463 |
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我們國發會有時空旅人回來告訴你說未來一切都可以解決所以現在不用擔心啦60、70%就定下去啦應該是說我們討論能源方向是務實、理性而且更重要的是要符合現實所以你剛剛有講滾動檢討有收到滾動檢討的指令了嗎? |
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基本上就是我現在因為我們那個前主委有在這個會場上講過就是說聯約政策的前草一切是在全民有共識之下會有做決定所以現在前主委已經高升到秘書長了是他有沒有新的指示目前還沒有因為他已經不是我的主管了 |
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本期還是希望今天第一天今天這個520之後新政府上任第一天質詢我們以理性科學的方式來互相溝通最重要的是專業的問政我也希望是說未來的每一次答詢我們都本質專業而不是政治意識形態好嗎?是是謝謝副主委好謝謝委員好謝謝黃孟楷委員謝謝 |
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接下來我們請蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在我們請黃秀芳委員發言謝謝主席我們請勞動部跟衛福部來請勞動部還有衛福部衛福部來委員好 |
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勞動部是主秘嗎?發展署主任秘書陳世昌陳主秘我想請教就是說勞動部在這個月初有一個預告草案就是你開放外國人可以從事社會工作室那要求雇主應該是立案的團體或評鑑合格的機構 |
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那最主要是說要增加這個僱外生留台的機會那我們知道說外國人是本來就可以考台灣的這個社工師的這個國考可以取得這個社工師的執照那到目前4月底截止也有30個人取得這個社工師的執照那我們知道說 |
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取得社工師的執照,那是不是可以投入這個又是另外一個問題。但我想請教就是說,衛福部在徵詢這個勞動部及社工相關專業團體的意見之後,那是支持開放外國人擔任社工。 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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是,跟委員報告,這個案子的緣起是來自於衛福部在112年的時候主動建議勞動部這邊有沒有可能把這個外生,小外生這邊他如果取得這個社工食證照的部分可以納入我們的專業人員這邊來試用。那所以這個部分是經過那個衛福部這邊主管機關的一個評估。那我們也認為說這個部分在實務上只要能夠確保他有一個實習的制度可以做那個 |
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指揮制度加上他的一個僱用的一個這個人員確實是法定的一個職業的處所就可以來運用那目前陳律委員所講的我們知道的在國內的僱外生大概有三十幾位是具有這樣子的一個這個社會福利的一個情形那預計這個草案預計如果這個通過之後那 |
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11570.618 |
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預定會有多少人取得這個執照,那也有多少人可以投入這個社工師的工作?我們是提供這樣的一個機會給這個擁有這個執照的人,目前已經有三十幾位具有這個資格。我相信如果說這個草案通過之後,也許會有更多人投入也不一定,就是說你們自己本身有沒有去做過這樣的一個評估?這個我們坦白講,我們沒有做過這樣的評估。好,那請衛福部 |
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社會福利及衛生環境：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員 |
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檢測過這個草案通過之後,那大約會有多少人取得執照,那有大約多少人會投入這樣社工師的工作?因為目前統計起來,現行到113年4月,外國人領有社工師證照的有30位。 |
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對於未來會投入多少,目前是沒有做相關的評估。因為這是在保障他們依法,依照社會工作司法取得的社工師證照。那我們當然要保障他在實務上能夠執業。所以才經過徵詢勞動部以及社會工作專業團體的意見以後,做成這樣的政策建議,建議勞動部來把這個納維 |
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外國人可以在臺灣執行這個專業性工作的開放的項目。好,那我想請教就是我們知道說社工的這個工作真的非常的辛苦啦。那當然就是說這個勞動部或者是社工團體的這些建議那最主要我們也希望就是說衛福部應該針對我們社工人員他們所提出來的目前的這個工作環境還有待遇以及 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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11714.991 |
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我想排擠應該是不至於因為就陳如剛剛所報告的這些人實際上現行也只有30位那其實做這樣的政策建議不是要解決這個社工人力不足的問題那我們是在保障這些外國人既然依法取得我國的社會工作室證照所以讓他在實務上能夠進行職業那對於委員所關心的這些社工人力不足的問題以及工作環境惡劣的問題 |
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全面性在做檢討跟改善包括提高社工薪資補助民間薪資的起薪的調整那另外在公部門也增加了資深社工員的職務那調高我們的薪資的天花板那另外整體在社安網計畫也在增加我們的社工的專業人力所以是從全面性的來改善 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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11759.057 |
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11783.851 |
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對,那我們知道說在人口、人力密集的地區其實往往是目前看到就是說新北市需求人數是最高達到562人那禁用人數是399人禁用率只有71%啦那我們想請教就是說社會安全網對社工人員的這個要求是希望一定要聘主當年度 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、 |
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我想我們已經把這個社工人力的禁用率納入社福考核指標另外其實各縣市平均的禁用率已經接近九成所以整體來說其實我們的社工的人力在這三年之間增加了大概一千多人所以我們會持續再督導地方政府來改善那加強這個社工人力的禁用好 |
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我可以在最後一個問題,那保護性的社工,因為目前保護性的社工人力是非常吃緊的那第一線的社工必須要逐一到這個案家去做訪視那我想請教就是說,像你們這樣子讓外國人力來填補,有沒有辦法就是說我們現在開放之後,那這個外國人力來填補這樣的一個不足 |
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王秀芳委員陳培宇委員 |
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來請勞動部、教育部、體育署 |
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委員好謝謝那我們就開始謝謝主席那今天雖然談的是外國專業人才延攬僱用辦法跟高照相關但是我們辦公室之前有一個議題一直在跟跟你們討論的就是關於跨國的未成年運動員相關的勞動問題那我要先說從去年11月我們發現有一些學校或是一些球隊透過申請工作簽證的方法 |
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找外籍的未成年球員來臺灣參加高中聯賽當時我們對勞動部提出質詢很感謝勞動部有非常積極的回應因為我們看到體育署當時的回應只是推給所謂的學生聯賽不能簽約有家長同意書這種非常消極的說法我覺得對於新政府不斷強調兒少權益來說我覺得是 |
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很危險的警訊所以再一次今天想要再次來請教勞動部體育署跟教育部目前在這件事情上你們的相關進度我們來看下一頁那我們很感謝勞動部在我們上次諮詢之後給我們非常正向的回應看得出來勞動部在相關跨國未成年的這些勞動權益或是兒少權益上非常的重視而且你們也提醒了體育署未來以後有相關案件你們會逐案協商 |
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協同教育部這部分可不可以請你們再進一步說明目前相關的進度跟規劃。 |
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跟委員報告有關這個運動員的部分這個專業人才的部分我們現在的這個審核的標準都是依照目的世界主管機關所提的這個資格來進行審查所以在運動員的部分目前確實沒有年齡的一個條件限制那所以我們之前才會是建議這個教育部體育署這邊是不是需要再研議這個部分來做進一步的一個勞動權益的一個基本的一個保障那體育署他們有給你們回覆說明關於年齡的限制這個問題或是 |
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一旦有不同所謂成年跟未成年尤其在未成年這一塊他們的說法還是我們可以請體育署直接回應 |
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委員好,體育署這邊有召開相關會議那大概針對年齡的部分因為其實勞動基準法針對年齡已經有相關規定就是雇主必須要聘雇年滿15歲或國中畢業者那所以我們這邊的話是沒有特別的其他的意見可是請問一下體育署你們真的認為所有這些跨國從國外不管什麼原因被聯賽或是學校聘到台灣來這些兒少我再一次強調他們是兒少 |
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以及他們可能來自比較經濟弱勢的國家他們真的是因為想要為家裡賺這份錢運用他們的天賦遠度來到臺灣所以相關我都還沒有跟你們談到關於教育的權益他們在這裡居住的安全的權益還有他們就學的權益會不會因為他們去比賽他們不斷被強迫要求練習而犧牲這些全面的權益如果你現在要用勞動基準法來談 |
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對於這些跨國的兒少真的公平嗎?或是會不會台灣再次背上人權地獄的國家?雖然可能看起來這些跨國未成年運動員的人數沒有這麼多可是他可能引發的危機其實很大的我可不可以問一下體育署目前你們還有沒有其他的進度或者是相關的規範跟討論正在進行當中? |
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其實針對未成年院隊員來台的部分可能他們可以分成是工作簽證來台或者是學生簽證來台那據我們了解可能會申請應該正常上申請學生簽證然後有一些會申請工作簽證來台最主要是因為我們有了解是私校的部分那私校有跟我們反映說他們大概是在申請學生簽證方面比較困難所以他們會用工作簽證的方式 |
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那其實我們這邊也有跟私校這邊有進行討論過那他們也希望說將來能夠回歸正軌就是申請學生簽證那可能會像是釋出例如說是像獎學金等等的方式來吸引這些學生來開所以體育署這邊也開始跟外交部談相關學生簽證的問題因為一旦 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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以下這邊都有寫我相信你們手上一定有資料我想要再次強調下一頁我要先謝謝勞動部之前積極的回應在照顧兒、少、未成年、運動員、跨國遷徙的權益所以我們會再一次進一步要求下一頁體育署請在一個月召開相關會議不管這個事情後續學生聯賽的球隊的部分或是私校你剛講到私校的部分他們的需求是什麼他們對於未成年、跨國運動員的想像又是什麼我覺得體育署你們畢竟隸屬在教育部底下 |
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教育主管機關對於兒少的就學居住勞動權益當然你們有勞動部協助你們,絕對不能忽視所以我們要求一個月體育署內要召開相關會議針對未成年運動員勞動政策進行盤點而且這個會議當中必須有兒少專家、人權專家還有勞動專家 |
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不能在自由體育署或者是教育部內部的人員自行進行討論或者是你們只去邀請那些有這個需求的私校我覺得這對於未成年兒少、跨國運動員非常不公平所以這個部分拜託你們再積極一點接下來國教署也請在三個月內目前高中以下外籍學生來台就讀參與運動賽事的狀況進行了解還有明明其實國外有非常多成熟又文明的 |
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規範制度可以參考。拜託,如果臺灣真的有這個需求,也請在法規面上促進更完善的環境。以上兩個需求有機會在期限內完成嗎?謝謝。謝謝委員。指正體育署這邊會正常辦理,那同時在召開跨部會議的時候也希望委員能夠歷歷直達,謝謝。沒問題,我們一定會積極參加。那另外關於國教署的部分呢? |
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國教署等報告配合辦理好,謝謝主席,謝謝你們,謝謝好,謝謝謝謝陳培鈺委員來接下來我們請張雅琳委員發言 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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大理司長、廖司長 |
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委員長市長早那我想今天我想要針對就是我關於2030的一個雙語政策的計畫來跟市長做一個討論就是說2020年教育部有提出一個2030年的雙語政策計畫那這也是賴總統非常重要的一個政見那就是說我們需要讓這件事情成功有一個關鍵因素就是我們的英語師資的人數 |
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那根據國立師範大學林子斌教授在2022年他有針對雙語國家政策的一個建言提到了外籍師資具有母語優勢可作為學習語言的資源之一但是以雙語教育的本質來說應該還是以兩種語言同時來學習 |
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那我想問一下就是說引進英語的教學人力資源像是外籍的英語教師啦或是全時的外籍英語教學人員或是部分工時的教學人員對於現階段來推動2013年的雙語政策的目標是什麼呢? |
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我們這一個部分因為有分大專以上跟高中以下的一個部分那剛才委員所提到的這個英語師資就是英語教學人力的這個外籍師資的一個部分是涉及到我們國教署就是的部分是不是我們請國教署的同仁 |
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委員好,那剛才委員詢問到就是全時的這個外籍英語師資的部分,目前全國有在高中以下有857位,那部分工時的師資有606位。那我們這目標就是希望能夠透過這樣子的一個沉浸式的雙語教學,然後提升我們學生的英語能力。 |
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12428.957 |
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12440.715 |
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好,所以這樣聽起來齁就是說因為我們現在其實是用外加元而來引進這些英語師資來提供你剛剛說的這個所謂沉浸式教學嘛齁那所以這樣聽起來我們應該要非常重視這些英語外籍師資嘛,對不對? |
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我們現在也訂了一些相關的一些衡量的標準跟目標值,就是像國中、國小其實都會有一些我們要求達到,不管是全時或是公時的人數,高中也有。那我想要問的第二個問題就是說,我們現在目前針對於現在我們2022年其實有設一個目標,2024年有設一個目標,我們2022年是不是都已經達成了呢? |
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二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員 |
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12513.649 |
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目前呈現的是到1、2學年度的資料,那我們1、1、3學年度是從8月開始來計算。好,那這個有更新的資料了是嗎?沒有,因為現在還沒有到1、1、3學年度的聘任期。OK,好。那我想這個相關有沒有一些比較具體的一個計畫呢?可不可以提供到我們辦公室? |
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12514.33 |
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好,是,我們會後再提供。好,謝謝。好,那我想我們就進來一個比較重要的重點,就是我們現在因為外語師資非常的關鍵,可是我們跟台日、我們跟日韓來相比,我們其實這個師資的要求是相對高的。高沒有什麼問題,我們因為像日本跟南韓大概就是學士就好, |
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12533.86 |
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台灣還需要一個師資、教師的資格。這個我認為是沒有問題,但是如果我們今天要求這麼高,我們就必須提供一個更具有吸引力的條件,讓大家願意來台灣做這件事情。 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
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那我想問一下就是說我們現在是有一個外國專業人才延攬及僱用的一個計畫那這裡面其實是也有特定專業的人員那這個特定專業的人員呢其實是由主管機關來認定的那我們這個主管機關的認定上面是不是有可能把它 |
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因為來認定這個英語的外籍教學師資他有沒有可能認定在這個特定的專業人才呢?因為他可以有更好的一個這個就業的一個條件就是說他有這個就業的金卡那他的持線也比較長這部分是有可行的嗎?不然這樣子一直不停的教師流動其實對學生的學習也不是一個很好的狀態所以教育部的代表可以幫我們說明一下嗎? |
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各位委員報告這些高中以下的這些英語的那個教師原則上他是屬於協助性質的居多那剛才所提到的這些就業金卡大部分是他要滿足一定特定的一些規定比如說他要16萬以上或者是在我們的那個所謂的那個相關的研究機構來服務 |
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12619.206 |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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12631.551 |
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12656.477 |
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對,但是我們剛剛前面其實有講嘛因為外籍資資是我們今天雙語國家一個很重要的東西而我今天用這麼高的一個標準跟要求那我如果我今天沒有更好的計畫怎麼吸引這些人願意來台灣做這件事情呢?謝謝委員那是不是容我們在會後再盤整一些相關的資源的提供在吸引外資上面能夠做得更好是不是容我們在會後提供更詳細的規劃? |
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那我想請問一下就是說因為這部分因為跟攬財這件事情非常有關係那這個國發部的高副主任是不是今天有來嗎?有,好那副主任不好意思喔 |
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12672.189 |
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他只要符合我們專法的適用對象,我們一定就全力支持。 |
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接下來我們請郭育晴委員發言 |
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12727.687 |
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主席好。有請國發會副主委。來請副主委。謝謝。 |
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12735.557 |
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國會議員好。副主委早安。想問一下就是在109年的時候我們國法會其實有成立所謂的這個台灣就業金卡的辦公室是專門提供給國外比較專業的一些人才來就他們的一些專業的部分來提供一些協助跟延攬。那當然透過這個一戰式的一個服務其實也更有效率的能夠來 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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12788.271 |
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12791.874 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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12810.136 |
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12837.284 |
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因為我們這個是一個問卷的調查報告那因為那個有時候都是在流動性因為他有時候會有一個尋職的一個空窗期那我個人是覺得以5%來說應該還是在一個合理的範圍內因為他如果進來的他也許一個是他自己自行他不需要找工作他自己就是老闆那一種是他要找工作那總是還是有一個磨合期 |
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12861.142 |
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當然就我們來說我們是一站式的服務所以他有任何的需要我們都會提供協助但是我們看到其實就是擁有這個所謂的這個金卡就業的人其實他們的條件應該是說他們自身的條件應該是專業度其實要比一般的外籍人士要來的好所以這個5%目前有沒有可能在 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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12877.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
12888.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
另外在國發會的新聞稿當中我們也看到62%的外國人其實是有意願要規劃我國的國籍但是依照移民署的統計資料顯示其實112年的3月到113年的4月最新統計的資料 |
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12919.435 |
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其實在最後的總人數的部分只有增加了大概是26人那是因為是申請的條件門檻比較高嗎?還是說因為既然有62%的人其實他們是喜歡台灣也希望能夠擁有所謂的這個台灣的國籍但是是因為門檻比較高所以他們比較難申請嗎? |
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12921.296 |
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12923.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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12928.412 |
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12953.437 |
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我請我們的處長來回應一下謝謝委員提問關於這個問題是這邊我們調查的對象他們有62%有入籍的意願可是意願不代表他們有辦法就真的入籍因為入籍的話還要符合一定的條件那一般專業人才他們還必須要就是居留滿5年之後才有這個入籍的考量 |
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12953.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
12979.925 |
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那我們目前只有提供高級專業人才可以入籍的時候免放棄國籍所以說在一般專業人才他即便有意願他考量到要放棄國籍也許他就沒有申請了所以我們這邊提到的委員提到的這個數據是高專的一個規劃的一個數據所以是說不需要放棄他原本的國籍然後申請台灣的國籍等於他有用三重國籍嗎 |
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12980.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
12999.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
對,可以允許雙重國人是高專,那高專是依據入出國移民法的一些規定需要有特殊的一個才能跟專業技能才能符合這個資格。所以這個條件有沒有機會可以再放寬?是,我們可以跟,我們這邊可以跟我們的移民署這邊我們也許可以再來做一些討論。好,以上。 |
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13000.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
13015.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
那接下來我想問一下就是說以國防會在112年跟到114年我們在重點的一個專業人才的供需這樣子的一個研究的狀況之下我們可以看到在教育背景需求以工程跟 |
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13016.463 |
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13044.91 |
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工程業佔比其實高達50.4%。另外其次再是我們的資訊通訊科技是佔23.9%但是在商業管理的佔比是19.1%這是根據所謂的教育部他們在招收所謂的僱外生的資料顯示他們的商業跟管理佔比反而是比我們需要的人才在工程跟工程業的佔比 |
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13046.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
13049.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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13061.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13089.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
對,我們現在正全力的進行跨部會的合作,我們希望他們在僱外生、招生來台的學系跟我們人才需求要相吻合。就會在逐步調整當中,比如說我們會有教育部會有開一個叫重點產業系所的招生,他們會擴大招生的緣額會設定在我們的就是5加2點 |
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13089.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
13115.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
五加二這些重點產業那教育部有一個國際的專修班裡面也會特別針對我們比較需要的這些短缺的這些人才或人力來進行這個招生那的確如委員說的因為現存的這個大學統計的學門跟我們需要的人才之間的確有某個程度的落差可是我們全力在在謀和縮小這個落差當中 |
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13118.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13130.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
最後再給我一點點的時間喔因為剛剛其實我還特別就是質詢了這個文化部的部分喔我們來看一下就是外國的專業人才從事所謂的藝術工作的許可他是 |
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13130.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13136.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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13156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13182.174 |
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這個部分我們可以再給他們什麼樣的一些幫助能夠提高這個許可證的比例我想外國專業人才他許可證的比例是屬於勞動部的救福法的範疇之內那我想我們是不是請勞動部來說明一下為什麼許可率相對偏低沒關係因為時間的關係但是有沒有一些說明我想我們會後對會後再給我們一些說明的一些資料好嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
邱志偉等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
邱志偉等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
副主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13255.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十四條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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13300.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13310.216 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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13328.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13352.936 |
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我覺得分作兩個部分,就是說一般救福法裡面,你只要符合救福法的規定,有僱主願意僱用,那你的就業的條件是47971加上大學畢業加兩年工作經驗,那你就可以進入到臺灣。我想中階技術人也有一部分是屬於這塊的人力。另外一方面我們就有勞工 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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13373.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
13392.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
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那我現在是想問您啊,不過這是勞動部的新聞喔,因為勞動部有預告說外國人以後可以在台灣當社工師喔,那衛福部有認同具專業性。那我想請問邱志偉就是說,如果是一個社工師的話,那目前會符合你們這個相關的已有的規定嗎?我覺得對,應該是外國專業人才你們就符合。因為我剛剛有講過他只要有僱主,而且他有薪資47971,對,大學畢業兩年工作都可以。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
產業的類別應該也是在這裏面。那現在我的一個問題就是因為我們所了解的那你們的申請來台需求有一項是月薪達47971這樣沒錯吧?是這是一般專業人才對 |
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那所以你的意思是說社工師不需要走這個一般專業人才的這條路嗎?因為社工師我們看他的平均薪資喔欸等一下社工師的平均薪資喔那其實是是並沒有到四萬嘛他是113年前社工調整的起薪只有三萬七千元欸那這部分的這個矛盾是怎麼解決? |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13464.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13485.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
對,基本上如果他走的,我剛才說有三個管道嘛,他基本走的是一般專業人才,的確要符合月薪4797,可是如果他是僱外生的話,他如果不是僱外生,僱外生點數加起來會夠,這是我們知道的,那是一個不錯的刺激的辦法。那可是今天他如果走的不是就是僱外生這條路呢? |
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是就還是要符合就符法的那這樣子我們這個開放的意義跟這之間的矛盾我想問的是說專業人才為什麼社工師不被當成是個專業那我們考量的到底是一個國家的產業譬如說某些工程師需要還是也看到社會的需求那社工因為他不被認為是個產業很多都是政府部門或是NGO外包的所以我們就看不到社會其實也有這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13515.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13537.449 |
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因為社工師的薪資以我知道的在其他國家是比台灣更高那他可能想要來台灣也許有別的原因那數量也不是很大可是這裡你就會發現他有卡關跟勞動部之間的政策是矛盾的所以想請問副主委這個問題基本上就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
13565.148 |
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因為一般專業人才的主管部會還是勞動部啦,法規的主管部會啦齁那在沒有修法之前的確一定要符合月薪47971的相關規定那我是不是可以請勞動部主秘來說明一下當初設定這個標準的立法的意思跟原則是怎麼樣那在社公司的適用上面是怎麼樣那因為我時間快到是可以簡短說明好嗎是所以這之間是不需要處理的嗎嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
13569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
13572.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
跟委員報告目前這個我們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13573.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
13584.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
13602.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
13618.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
所以你們基本上社工師指對就是在臺灣念完大學的喬生開放嗎?他只要取得那個我們的社工師的證照就可以符合。可是取得社工師證照他的薪資並沒有達到這個部分啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
13619.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
13632.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等四、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、本院委員王定宇等五、 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
13649.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
13649.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
13680.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
要請副主委嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
13696.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
13718.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
委員好我想今天大家都在討論有關於這個外國專業人才的延攬跟僱用前面已經很多委員都已經關心相關專業人才的規範本席認為我們也應該要多關心中階技術工的流產狀況就好像剛剛我們范委員所提到的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
13719.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13740.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
那我們可以從國家發展委員會的網頁的訊息看到有三大的部分要來做這個人才的留置包括強化延攬外國專業人才包括擴大吸引及留用僱外生那第三個部分就是積極的留用外國技術人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
13741.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13769.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那這其中就包括了成立移工流財久用服務中心等等這個是我們很期待透過這樣的努力能夠讓更多的中階技術工能夠留在臺灣貢獻他們的心力移工流財的久用方案基本上就是算是中階的技術工人那國內的社務移工目前一共有12萬人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
13770.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
13787.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
其中只有1.5萬人申請了這個流財僱用的方案請問一下陳竹蜜你覺得這一部分我們還有辦法做哪一些的加強或者是是哪一些的因素讓這樣的流財方案無法發揮它的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
13788.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
13808.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
是跟委員報告這個流財久用的方案他所適用的對象是針對在台灣已經工作滿6年以上的具有一定年資的移工或者是累計不一定他是完整連續也許是累計11年半的也都可以適用那所以第一個他可能有一些資格條件這不見得是所有目前在台灣的這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
13811.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
13816.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
13835.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
13846.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
13863.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
13877.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
他們因為無法申請到適當的條件之下,能夠久留而變成了失聯的義工。是,希望他們這些有一定的年資的義工留在台灣,這個是我們努力的目標。 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
13901.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
對於失聯的部分,他的問題的成因其實比較複雜,那包括勞動條件跟僱主對待以及外部的一個經濟誘因等等因素,那這個部分我們也會透過怎麼樣去讓他僱主可以合法的僱用、合法的移工以及對於源頭從外國的仲介部分去做一些管理,跟包括對於這個來源國的部分去要求配合做一些改善,這部分我們會持續辦理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
13902.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
13918.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
是,因為剛剛換委員所提到的部分薪資條件對這一群的移工來講他的確是有他的門檻跟困難的地方所以就有移工留才久用畫大餅 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
13919.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
13939.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
好像因為門檻太高看得到吃不到當然剛剛高副主委也有提到相關的一些流財專用的這些政策的部分將來有沒有機會再去做一些修正或者是有哪一些可以再修改變的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
13940.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
13961.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
這個部分的薪資門檻的訂定基本上我們有先徵詢過各個部位所訂的啦那當然隨著台灣的未來的情勢的發展這裡面仍然有一些檢討的空間這我們會適時的做滾動處理好 謝謝主秘謝謝委員那再過來我麻煩社家署有關於這個社會安全網的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
13970.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
13997.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
委員好你好我們知道社會安全是非常重要的能夠讓社會維持安全大家能夠生活安定的一部分那針對第一期計畫所提倡的一些檢討事項很快就要進入到第二期那不知道目前針對從第一期跨到第二期當中我們需要瞭解還有需要注意的事項包括哪一些可以請說明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14000.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14019.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
首先在第一期裡頭我們大概已經完成了所謂社福中心的一個建制對於摧惡家庭的相關的一個服務也漸漸的上了軌道也增聘了一千多名的社工員但是在第一期的檢討整個社安網的檢討目前是正在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14020.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14041.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
大概是未來會朝著整個深化整個催加的整個服務的模式還有專業的一個領域的建立的方式來往前進這樣子是,所以會提出這個問題是因為最近社會發生了讓大家會擔心的這些社會安全的部分那我們也知道其實護理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14044.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14064.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
目前有將近7%是屬於男性的護理師他們在工作的過程裡面很難免會有一些比較因為他的職場上面的一些壓力那針對這部分可以有更好的方式來讓我們這些男性的護理師得到性別平等的這些努力嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14065.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14089.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
這個部分因為是屬於護理師的這個我們那個招呼師的範圍,我想我會帶回去,那部裡頭再進行演繹。好,那就麻煩。謝謝。好,謝謝。謝謝王振旭委員。接下來我們請吳佩奕委員發言。謝謝主席,我請國發會。來,請國發會副主委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14097.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14117.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
委員好嘿 主委好今天我們要審查的是攬裁專法那這一部法規是在2017年的時候制定當時的立法目的就是希望能夠進行國際攬裁來增加我們台灣的國際競爭力那按照我們法規有分為外國專業人才跟特定專業人才特定專業人才可以申請就業金卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14118.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14145.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那到去年的今年的三月底為止我們臺灣目前累計核發了近一萬張就業金卡外國專業人才的部分則有一萬八千人次但是我注意到2017年當時在立法的時候國防會曾經引述一個數據就是洛桑國際管理學院裡面關於國際人才競爭力的報告我們臺灣在2017年的時候排名在第16名到去年的時候我們進步到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14146.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14170.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
比當時進步了4名是20名。從24名進步到20名更正。那在吸引具高技能之外國人才的這個項目呢我們也是進步了7名但是還有很大努力空間。所以我想請問我們國防會目前對於吸引具高技能之外國人才目前我們對這個成果你們認為滿意嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14173.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14192.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
現在還有很多改進的空間,例如哪些?例如說,第一個就是我們就像我們今天修法的,我們是不是可以把我們這個專法裡面的相關的這些條件更優惠、更放寬,這樣子。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14198.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14215.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14222.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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14230.58 |
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推動的是六大核心產業其中包括了量子科技AI跟機器人同時還有我們台灣的太空科技包括衛星火箭等等的這些產業我相信我們都非常的需要國際人才的協助所以我希望國發會我們要更積極的去看過去我們在纜財上面遇到什麼困難那我們現在要怎麼樣突破 |
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這才是講的檢討,否則我們每年都說有進步空間,有進步空間,永遠這個進步空間都還有很大的距離。那我注意到說,因為我們海外來的華語生應該也在我們國發會攬財的範圍內。那我們台灣跟美國有簽訂合作,目前有一個台美教育倡議,這當然是教育部負責的計畫。 |
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那目前美國來到台灣的華語生已經創到歷史的新高,超過了三千人。國發會有沒有跟教育部來討論?針對這一群學生已經來到台灣就讀了,我們目前我們的政策面向也都希望說來台灣就讀的,尤其是他們如果是專業領域的話,能夠延長,留下來就在台灣工作,成為我們的專業人才。國發會有沒有跟教育部在討論如何來去 |
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加強媒合跟媒介讓這三千名的這些學生未來有機會留在臺灣繼續為產業貢獻那基本上就是說因為我們這個計畫你知道嗎我們知道因為這個是屬於雙語語 |
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政策裡面的中間的一環嘛就是那個那主委你們去研究好不好跟教育部趕快來討論給我們報告那其中我要特別提醒你我們這幾年這個外國的人才專業人才升起就業金卡的比例最高的在經濟領域但是佔比例最少的是在體育體育目前佔的比例只有9名而已所以這個部分我希望國防會要去了解為什麼體育的人才申請這麼少 |
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你看這個比例的差距非常的懸殊在經濟領域我們有4000近5000名在體育領域我們只有9名遇到什麼困難 |
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主管機關設定欄材條件,目前的條件是甚麼?月薪要16萬元。月薪應該是沒有限制吧? |
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體育是教育部主管的,是不是可以請教育部的?對,因為體育署沒有來,我們教育部來是國際司,沒有關係。體育署有來。體育署回答。你們申請的這個類別,又有什麼單位來申請?通常都是有一些國際競賽的成績,都是教練、選手等等。 |
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這個呢因為我們現在要提出推薦的單位是叫做協會跟聯盟但是以球員來講實際上聘僱球員的是在球團 |
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所以在這個資訊之間有沒有確保他們都有收到資訊有沒有相關的落差因為我相信我們的需求不會這麼少何況我們現在還包括了運動產業相關的所以我希望這個你們要去反點一下那過去呢因為是有國訓推薦也可以有國訓中心但是我們現在新成立的運科中心嘛所以運科中心是不是有要納入推薦單位 |
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這個我覺得體育署請國發會拜託國發會跟體育署趕快來討論一下因為我們即將我們體育署就要升格為體育部了運動產業是我們國家未來很重要推展的方向我們當然也需要專業人才所以這個部分也是請你們趕快去了解那一個月以內提給我們一個初步的規劃好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝吳佩奕委員接下來我們請羅美玲羅美玲羅美玲委員不在蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧委員不在鍾瑞雄鍾瑞雄鍾瑞雄委員不在王美惠王美惠王美惠委員不在鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌委員不在林楚瑩林楚瑩林楚瑩委員不在王定宇王定宇王定宇委員不在我們請徐欣盈委員發言 |
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謝謝主席本席請這個國發會副主委來請國發會副主委委員好副主委好本席想請教我們今天在談這個我們延攬國外的專業人才那專業人才我想請教副主委您的看法專業人才他有意願來台灣 |
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幾個重要的因素您認為是哪幾個?你吸引他而且讓他願意來。那當然是在台灣他有符合他覺得好的工作環境跟條件。我想這個是應該最重要的。那條件,條件是什麼?他會考慮什麼條件?第一個就是好的工資。對,待遇。然後呢?他所居住的環境。對,環境嘛。環境也很重要。 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
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我請教一下我們國發會的政策我們延攬專業人才你需不希望他長期拘留在這當然需要需要嘛所以我們在這個拘留的部分本席這裡其實今天特別來這邊質詢是因為我們收到選民陳情就是我們有這個 |
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我們有這個陳情仁他來台已經13年了他是美國人拿美國護照那他也是申請經濟部特殊人才規劃才獲批准的那但是那他太太像一個人專業人才來其實一個人他最重要其實他賺錢他在意薪資薪資要做什麼當然是養家活口嘛對不對一個人最終的歸屬還是家庭嘛 |
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所以如果你讓他來他太太不能來他小孩不能來這個就會是問題好那本席要說的是他太太呢也申請了也採依親方式入境台灣申請長期居留OK但是他們兩人的親生子女 |
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在他們夫妻倆成為台灣人之後沒有任何方式、任何法令可以申請長期居留他們的子女也無法因為父母成為台灣人而耕留台灣所以他的小孩需要每六個月一次的長期探親簽證而且只要出境台灣就要在國外等待申請新的簽證才可以入台 |
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那小孩呢從小就從台灣長大但是我們又需要留住專業人才但是他卻沒有辦法好那我本席跟您這個說明一下陳情仁美國護照但是他的太太是大陸護照美國人娶大陸人那他的小孩呢就是大陸護照加美國護照這個案怎麼辦 |
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那跟委員報告就是要成年才能移清啦這個是未成年未成年不能移清未成年才能移清成年有身障的才可以那這個看起來就是你覺得這規定合理因為我剛才有問同仁他其他國家也是同樣的一些相同的規範將心比心一下 |
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今天你想留住他所以你就是逼迫他他要嘛就不要選擇在台灣選擇在台灣我們親生的小孩他沒辦法你說未成年可是他十三 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |
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您在這裡詢問可能他們對於個資、對於實際的狀況不太清楚。他對您回答,如果這個不夠精準的話,未來可能會構成藐視國會罪,這樣也不好意思。我這點本席倒沒有這麼認為啦。對,我們邱委考慮得對啦,我們個資的部分還是小心一下,但這邊應該還好,這裡沒有個資,只是講。那不好意思,最後本席還想請教一下, |
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我們對於這個申請引進外國專業技術人員我們是否有領域過度偏頗的現象因為我們的經濟發放金卡佔了48%但是其他像文化、數位、教育、金融、科技都相對少那這個部分 |
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這個副主委怎麼看因為這個經濟這個領域涵蓋的範圍比較廣泛其實它某程度上也涵蓋到某些科技的或者是經濟相關的這些人才啦所以其實有某些可能應該是歸類在科技類可是可能因為經濟這個領域就是比較廣泛一點大家就申請 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等 |
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各個主管機關儘量就他的櫃館的領域裡面儘量去把相關的規定合理化然後吸引到我們台灣所需要的各領域的專業外國的特定專業人才那就像剛剛說的那個教授體育的那部分其實我們也會跟 |
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提議署再來做一些討論看如果現在的緣額引進相對少是因為條件過於嚴苛或者是那條件是我們自己訂的吧是的所以我們會檢討我們會檢討好很好謝謝好謝謝許新穎委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言 |
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好,謝謝主席。那我們是不是請國發會副主委。來,請國發會副主委,謝謝。好,副主委好。 |
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那今天想先跟副主委討論這個就業金卡那這個就業金卡是針對外國的一些專業人士然後他們可以去申請包括他們工作許可、居留簽證 |
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外僱居留證跟重入國許可證的一個證件。那這個金卡的效率就是三年嘛,那外僱的居留證可以到五年,那五年以上未曾入國者,那就可以廢止及永久居留許可。那我想要請教的是說,為什麼就要訂這個五年以上未曾入國呢? |
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基本上我們已經這個應該是對應該是入出國移民法裡面的相關的規定就是說其實你過去是五年內每年都平均要到183天那我們現在是在這個法裡面是放寬到只要你出你在五年內只要有一次 |
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有入境我就不會廢止他的永久居留許可因為我們這個法基本上是一個特別法那其實有些相關的規定還是要回歸到入庫和移民法、拯救服法的一般法的相關規範對可是他竟然已經給他永久居留了嘛是已經名稱把它叫做永久居留對那你又說你五年內沒有入境那 |
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那你就要廢止永久居留那這樣就不是沒有永久居留的概念了就是說如果你取得就業金卡的話目前就是你取得永居的時間我們已經把它縮短成三年了三年中間如果你有博士學位的話你可以折頂一年也就是說你就算取得就業金卡你還是要有兩年的居留期間你才可以取得永居並不是你進來就可以那我現在講的是取得永居之後 |
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對就是所有取得永居的人對所有的其他國家的法令也都是這個樣子就是就算你取得美國的綠卡你可能也需要 |
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你還是有在有一些居留的事實在這個國家所以我們入出移民法裡面已經規範就是說你你的五年內你平均要有183天嘛那我們在這個法裡面我們已經放寬到你如果是就業金卡的話你只要五年內有一次入境我就不會取消你永居的這個條件這個資格啦好 |
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那這是第一個那第二個我想要再請教這個副主委一樣是就這樣的一個移民就專業攬財的移民那你們現在專業攬財的移民你們就把他限在就業服務法46條第一項到第六項那我指的是說如果我們去思考 |
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有很多事實上工廠他所聘請的現在的移工他可能已經工作超過了十年而且他的薪水也已經變成一定的程度已經不是傳統在做第一階工作的移工他已經做十年了他對整個工 |
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整個工廠的運作是熟的甚至他們的薪水是高的但是一到12年之後他只要滿了12年他還是得出國出去了那事實上是不是變得說台灣一直都變得是這一些移工我們去等於是替人家替韓國去日本栽培這個傳統的 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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讓他一樣可以去走專業的移民甚至一樣可以去走就業金卡有沒有辦法這樣嗎那跟委員報告齁的確其實我們在我們的移工流財移工久用流財方案裡面其實就針對委員講的其實你只要在6年以上的在台灣工作6年以上的那個移工他符合 |
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這個方案的特定的條件他現在都可以留在臺灣那他的取得永居的時間就比照一般專業人才是五年所以現在就可以嗎?現在就可以現在已經有兩萬多個所謂的這些中介就是這些移工他取得用這個方案取得留在臺灣的資格了那他有限定條件嗎? |
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有一些限制條件,薪資還有技能的條件。薪資我想就變成說,如果僱主真的有心要去留下這個移工,對他來說重要,這僱主要去考量嗎?是的。那其他的條件,技術條件?有一些相關技術條件,要取得一些技術的證照吧。 |
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對,因為看產業別跟社福而已。對,因為看產業別跟社福而已。對,因為看產業別跟社福而已。對,因為看產業別跟社福而已。對,因為看產業別跟社福而已。 |
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然後技術條件的話他需要有一些我要問的就是說好你們的證照那是證照那這一些移工他們怎麼去取得證照這件事我們會輔導他輔導就是說如果因為如果產業企業他想要把他現在的移工留下來那我們會有相關的輔導他從事專人技人檢定等等的我們會協助這樣子對 |
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最後再問一個因為你們的這個延攬外國人才誘因有一個叫做租稅優惠租稅優惠是針對首次來台的外國特定專業人士那這個首次的這個概念一直在實務上是很多人在爭議怎樣叫做首次如果他是說之前有來台灣工作過那他過了幾年後再次來這樣可以叫做首次嗎?對,是的,是的就不允許一定是要首次 |
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對就不允許對是目前對我們要吸引新的外國對阿所以這個首次是怎樣叫做首次阿他就是如果他曾經已經來過就不能適用這個是啊阿這樣就會有一個問題嘛他可能之前來的時候是沒有這個對啊阿現在他想要說阿我要聘請他來阿卻沒有這樣了就是說這個首次 |
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我要問的說你們這樣的一個租稅優惠訂了這個首次到底目的是什麼事實上是沒有必要的嘛只要他願意來願意留在台灣工作我覺得說既然有這樣的優惠那就讓他可以去進行這樣的優惠啊 |
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只是優惠的時間點,你們把它抓緊一點,就是說到底優惠時間是多久。你一直在抓這個首次,變成說之前來過的,後來再來就不適用這一條。我覺得這樣也有它不合理的地方。我想這個是會涉及跟財政部的一個相關的協商。那我想委員的這個意見我們可以在我們下次修法的時候,我們把這個首次的這些定義什麼,我們再參考委的意見,我們再來做一個全盤的檢討。 |
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15390.236 |
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15412.917 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝蔡易瑜委員好 來接下來我們請鄭正前委員發言我們就中午不休息那請各位同仁部位的長官如果肚子餓的可以自己先行用餐謝謝主席我想請一下副主委好 來請副主委 |
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15420.24 |
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15437.806 |
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副主席好,非常感謝主席今天特別安排了外國專業人才延攬相關的一個法規的一個修改跟質詢那因為我在想說在整個台灣少子化之後那整個產業從數位化開始要轉成AI轉型的這過程當中的時候 |
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人才肯定是最重要的一件事情臺灣能夠從70年前發展到現在人才也是一個很重要的一個部分我想請教副主委我們對於整個國際人才的延攬算不算是我們國家級的戰略計畫 |
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15469.494 |
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當然是當然是是不是很棒喔聽到這麼肯定的一個回答那我想請問一下因為整個優秀人才高級人才的部分我看到所有那個我們所謂的高級專業人才 |
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規劃國籍的高級專業人才認定標準裡頭,它分了好多個部分,包括科技領域、經濟領域、教育及學術研究領域、文化或藝術領域、還有體育領域等等。那我想請問,既然是我們一個戰略的一個政策的時候,請問我們有沒有單一窗口在服務這個部分? |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
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15512.236 |
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有,我們設立了一個Talent Taiwan,這個戰衣服務窗口,然後我們會跟隨這個外籍專業人才來台,所要的服務我們有一站式的這種服務。他說一站式的服務是什麼,是怎麼樣的,你簡單描述一下。好,包括,我們要不要請我們處長來說明一下好不好。 |
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謝謝委員關心有關我們延攬人才的服務我們是從他開始起心動念想要來台灣我們就有設立一個網站是叫做Talent Taiwan這個網站然後他有關他要來台灣的簽證的部分我們會讓他在這個網站得到所有的資訊那他如果想要來找到工作或者是還沒找到工作都可以直接來跟我們聯絡我們提供他相關的資訊來台工作的相關資訊 |
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對,我們會協調相關部會,因為有一些……你們協調相關部會,所以說你們只是一個接案的一個窗口,諮詢的窗口,還是真的能夠一站式服務?因為一站式服務我們是覺得說它能夠從頭到尾喔?確定可以喔?好,細節這邊我之後再問喔,因為我們曾經碰過一個狀態就是說,就是有…… |
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法國的一個專業人士他要到台灣來結果呢就移民署這邊對於所謂的專業人士他不知道他念的學校算不算是專業人士因為後來他們去問了教育部教育部也不知道因為教育部的回答竟然是說因為台灣人沒有在這所學校念書所以教育部不知道他其實是我們認 |
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三、本院委員邱志偉等三、本院委員邱志偉等 |
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所以我們是看到了所有的一個研究報告出來他們為什麼會覺得到台灣來也是很多外國人是他們考量的點第一個是整個台灣的整體環境還有另外就是台灣人的友善是他們想要來 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、本院委員王定宇等二、 |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
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人才移工的問題肯定是一個跨部會的問題那我必須要講一個失戀移工的問題人數衝高啊八九萬人散居在我們這樣子的一個社會當中然後移民署這邊的時候呢我不知道是抓不到還是覺得不能抓因為有一個說法是說因為我們在很多產業缺工太嚴重了 |
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所以移民署等於是沒有辦法真的盡全力去抓抓了之後就會影響到很多相關的產業很多農漁牧甚至於營造的相關產業副主委您可不可以針對這部分回應一下 |
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其實針對這些私人移工的問題其實行政院從2021年開始其實已經召開多場的會議喔協調勞動部、內政部等有一些相關的措施啦然後包括因為會針對有一些移工的因為他會自然可能跟薪資低啊、勞動條件不佳啊還有僱主不合理對待等一些相關問題那各部會其實也提出了一個相對的 |
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副主委,你回這部分其實我覺得更細節了因為我覺得現在整個失聯移工的問題的時候有一個很大的狀態因為缺工之所在、黑工之所在 |
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因為有缺工所以就會有黑工要怎麼樣解決缺工的問題國發會這邊是不是能夠有更高的一個魄力因為像新的經濟部長去拜訪我們的時候他也很清楚講到台灣確實缺工問題非常的嚴重他甚至於直接提到了一個狀態旅遊業、飯店業的一個清潔相關的 |
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人力他都覺得應該要開放可是勞動部在這部分肯定是不願意的所以國發會在這個部分是不是能夠佔據更高的位置能夠來做一個跨部會的一個協調來真正解決台灣缺工的一個問題至少你缺工的問題合理解決黑工的問題才不會這樣子的猖狂 |
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有關於特別產業的缺工的問題其實都會在勞動部的相關會議裡面做討論當然我們國發會也會參與剛剛您提到的餐飲業的缺工問題目前正在討論當中 |
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還有飯店業者等等那我這邊要提到因為整個產業發展其實很需要有一個移工聘僱率很清楚的給他們我希望國發會這邊能夠協調各部會很清楚的訂出這個各產業的一個移工聘僱率然後讓他們能夠定期來調整聘僱率的一個這樣的一個機制來這裡解決缺工的問題可不可以 |
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好,我們儘量做評估。就這部分委員關心的各產業裡面的缺工的比例。好,謝謝。移工評估這部分,你們之後再跟本辦公室做一個細部的說明。好,謝謝。以上。好,謝謝曾振淺委員。接下來我們請柯之恩,柯之恩,柯之恩委員不在。何欣淳,何欣淳,何欣淳委員不在。我們最後請劉建國委員。好啦,一樣給你四分鐘啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
國務副主委 |
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15918.385 |
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臺灣的整個面臨人口結構這樣的問題,相關的因應作為基本上它的組織還是要國會,所以今天才會在基金委會來做這樣的一個會議。我想人口的結構快速轉變,這是對臺灣最大的一個挑戰。那這個上位的計畫到底是什麼? |
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我們至今沒有看過。當然,針對外國人才延攬的相關的這樣的一個計畫是在國會來做主責。我必須要跟邱志偉來做探討。今天前主委已經變秘書長了,所以他應該要面對這個事情還是一樣要有一定的延續性。我特別要提到有幾個面向來做一個參考。當英國快速結構轉變的時候,不管是從經濟、教育、文化、產業等等等, |
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一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
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用簡單的數據講一下就好日本打70分的話我想我們也應該是及格可以打60分可以嗎?你確定?你看喔來日本擁有這個專業的技術的高端外國人才齁他是從截至目前為止2023年齁10月大約有60萬人比2018年的27萬左右足足增加的快一倍多了快一倍多那我們現在勒 |
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16013.857 |
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16032.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
小英在2021年的8月推動這個強化人口及移民的政策嘛這個專案我們在實施就剛剛淳于所講的齁這個Talent Taiwan的我們預計的設定目標是2030年要達到40萬沒有錯吧對不對好我們要在他現在已經達到60萬2023我們到2030才要達到40萬 |
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我們40萬是根據我們評估到我們到2030年我們的人才跟人力的缺口我們估算出來的那因為我們跟日本的人口的那個 |
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三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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16085.69 |
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3339人,3000多人。居留3年以上的才有261人。我不曉得為什麼這個比例如此之低。這數據你們應該有嗎?對。如果你按照這樣的話,要到2030年可以達到所謂的 |
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延攬外國的相關的人才要達到40萬我覺得確實有很大的問題這是第一件事情請副主委等一下去答我第二個延攬國外人才來到台灣他絕對是散落在每一個縣市嘛這是不是這個事實嘛對不對那中央要來推動這樣的政策那目前為止有跟22個縣市哪一個縣市有具體合作讓他們比例較多的外國的人才留在這個縣市得到更好的照顧 |
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更好的一個互動的環境嗎?有嗎?不然只有你中央在做那地方政府他對這個事情根本跟我們完全沒有連結那我們也完全跟地方政府沒有任何的一個互動的機制啊他們是散落在22個縣市裡面這不是很奇怪嗎?我再講一個,你再用日本的例子你看日本的新宿縣新宿區他們就有個地方自治條例他們有20多個委員 |
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然後組成了這樣的一個跟住在新宿區的相關的外籍人士有定期的聚會有協助他們生活上的需求甚至於讓他們的文化可以融入到當地的新宿區去做最好的連結我們有嗎?你可以給我舉一個案例22縣市國防會跟哪一個縣市有做這樣類似的政策 |
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| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
國務委員報告 |
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甚至僱委會等相關部會的確在跨部會的橫向聯繫上我們是有做到就如委員說的我們還是以中央政府的角度去我們跨部會是希望由那個部會去做往下跟地方的鏈結的確以國防委來說我們在那個層級裡面的確沒有直接對應到地方政府是透過各個主管的部會 |
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16245.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
16249.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
他所實施的政策裡面,他去做這個中央跟地方之間的聯結。 |
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16263.655 |
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16278.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
對,如果都沒有的情況之下這些人要怎麼留在這個地方讓他們可以不會有五年的、三年的比例這麼低所以我們要達到2031年有40萬幾乎是不可能發生的事情所以這個未來的現在秘書長也要面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
16280.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
16302.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
你們做了很多地方創生為什麼也沒有去做這樣一個連結我真的不懂因為時間的關係我希望是不是可以全面的再去做一個思考對照其他國家人家有很好的這樣的執行的一個案例讓我們可以真正的讓這些外國人才我們可以留得住留得久嘛來幫助台灣的整體的結構快速轉變來做最好的因應嘛一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
16304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
16305.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
三、本院委員王定宇等 |
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16324.632 |
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16339.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
當機發言的委員除不在場者外,其餘均已發言完畢,詢答結束。另外,有陳昭芝委員、張家俊委員、莊瑞雄委員、盧憲一委員、邱振軍委員、蘇清泉委員、林淑芬委員、陳昭明委員所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。 |
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16341.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
16368.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
書面質詢和未及答覆的部分請相關單位於一週內書面答覆並複製本會。本日討論事項所列議程詢答結束並定期繼續審查。針對各提案委員或者是委員詢答的過程當中有對於法案所提出的建議也請相關單位一併列入考慮我們定期再做法案的審查。散會。謝謝。 |
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16371.769 |
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16375.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員王定宇等一、本院委員 |