| IVOD_ID |
159358 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159358 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T09:55:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T10:03:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8c3f77617ddddbd73061b2f31bc5c916a9ba850061ce77509edafc1b978c0a0025ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:45 - 10:03:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「災害防救法第三條及第十九條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「災害防救法第三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「災害防救法第四十八條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員丁學忠等16人擬具「災害防救法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝馬次長還有蕭署長委員長好安委員長好安今年2025年那是高雄氣爆發生的第11年這11年來其實 |
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包含有很多過去曾經在高雄市政府消防局的同仁我還記得那天晚上高雄市消防局的主任秘書跟很多現場的消防局的人員走到凱旋路跟二聖路的路口的時候一邊往左一邊往右往左這一群人包含高雄市消防局的主任秘書 |
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是最後一個在氣爆現場被找到的罹難弟兄當時沒有人知道高雄市的地底下有那麼多的石化管線發生了這個氣爆之後當然這個原因後來就一一探究出來 |
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包含當時是1986年中油接受李長榮失話委託埋設但是當時在下水道工程處驗收的人員沒有強制請中油公司或李長榮把這條管線移除所以發生了這個事件也造成當時的基層人員後來也入獄 |
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服刑為這件事情負責所以這是一個悲劇讓我們知道接下來不要再發生這些事情但是我還是要必須要回過頭來看一下當時的行政院做了什麼事情當時的行政院滿有政府不編列特別預算不訂定管線管理專法不成立中央重建會 |
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放著高雄市政府自己去處理所有的罹難者包含傷者包含我們所有的消防弟兄 |
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所以這是一個非常悲痛的事情到時隔11年後的今天2024年我們已經把過去氣爆前的89條石化管線降到71條其中有59條還在使用中長度一共有932公里涵蓋14個行政區如果在我們的消防署 |
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以及地方政府沒有做相關的這些石化管線的這些圖資的重整我們也很難想像未來在發生類似有氣味事件出來以後那我們整個消防地區要如何來因應所以在這邊2014年的7月31的凌晨發生到現在那我希望 |
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203.064 |
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226.78 |
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災害不是只有地方政府可以處理我們整個消防署我們整個行政院其實跟地方的整個不管是圖資或者是相關的這些必須要可以提供救災的這些內容我們必須要審慎的來完整整個消防地區可以去對於相關救災的這些資訊請教署長 |
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這些相關的資訊你認為現在充足嗎?報告委員我們現在在地方政府的合作目前的合作機制目前有一個合作的平台那在疫苗中心開設這個也有一個運作的機制那當災害來臨之前我們的預警措施跟通報跟啟動疫苗機制這個大概都已經到位那整個災情的掌控跟了解跟處理 |
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258.602 |
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285.933 |
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我們EMIC系統大概都已經到位都已經運作幾年下來以後大概在過去幾次災害裡面也有進行的考驗對救災的資源目前有200多萬筆的資料也在資料庫裡面這個都已經到位了所以經過一次又一次的考驗大概這樣的合作默契跟潤滑跟彼此間的合作關係甚至中央對地方的合作大概有一個期日在 |
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那災防辦也每年針對於地方政府對於災害防救推動也做一個訪評那訪評完以後到底還有存在哪些需要增進的地方我們也做一個強化那同時像去年的幾次中大颱風以後事實上我們一直在檢討就發生以後中間有哪些地方是不順的卡卡的 |
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那怎麼來調整這樣的一個機制大概我們也同步在做一個檢討設計尤其比較具體就是我們在偏遠山區在偏遠山區的通訊這個部分先到位那最近也在針對偏遠山區到底它的電力是不是透過就是用太陽能板的機制來做電力的供應這目前在檢討調整經驗當中這個跟委員回報 |
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謝謝署長那站在這個防災或者是救災所有的消防弟兄站在第一線那我們必須要有充足的這些資訊給他們那另外就是最近的台中新房三越也會衍生相關營業場所這些室內裝修的這些申請然後審核我想我們都必須要再加強 |
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367.791 |
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另外對於很多的天然災害包含這些地震的消息其實現在的認知作戰在網路的這個 |
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訊息傳播上非常非常的嚴重常常會有一些散播災害不實消息的這些訊息那我在這邊也希望消防署還有內政部這邊嚴正這個訊息如果有這些亂散播訊息的比如說啦哪裡地震然後哪裡開始火災啦什麼這個沒有經過查證去傳這些相關的訊息我覺得對於民眾都要做一定的 |
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宣導不要讓民眾這樣誤傳感謝委員這個部分有罰則災害防救法裡面有罰則散佈不實的災情訊息這個我們都一直在注意到這樣的發展跟不實訊息的傳遞跟後續的輸出必須要做一定的宣導感謝委員市長你回應一下不實訊息你回應一下 |
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跟委員報告我們現在有幾個法律可以處理第一個如果是跟災害有關的話氣象法災害防救法都可以處理那另外就是說如果是跟我們現在有沒有處罰過處分過目前不實訊息沒有災害防救法沒有不實訊息沒有 |
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433.963 |
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446.178 |
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那氣象法有氣象法他們對這個有一些氣象粉磚沒有具備這個氣象保保員資格的話他們有處分那這是在交通部那我們社會法也有處分過好謝謝 |