| IVOD_ID |
159316 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159316 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-18T17:48:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-18T18:19:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1468b0c2f72abc7f0eb1c6d063f9a225192e6bfb57ea0be4286dba9178fa551c849987ba386f8b6b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:48:54 - 18:19:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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最後一位登記發言第44位陳雪生委員請質詢謝謝主席是不是秦院長 卓院長 謝謝麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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陳委員好站了一天了,馬上下課了今天本席質詢四個感謝一個抱怨我想感謝先來好了感謝國防部國防部從善如流接受本席的建議對馬祖地區的東營指揮部還有舉光指揮部那麼在113年6月27號核定修正 |
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國軍地域家級也是由原來的第三級調整為第二級東穎跟菊光我們韓院長也在菊光當過副院長沒水沒電非常的辛苦那麼顧部長這邊從善如流謝謝您把他調整那現在問題來了 |
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亮島跟高登亮島院長沒去過我不曉得顧部長去過沒有我去過一個亮島有沒有去過亮島跟高登高登在北竿的旁邊距離大陸是最近的一個地區高登大概也只有幾十個人亮島也只有幾十個官兵大概兩個島不足一百個 |
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那麼在釀島尤其辛苦我當縣長的時候每次陪同我們地區的指揮官去做軍務視察的時候他去視察我去慰問我一定到肉舖砍兩個豬腳豬腿豬腿送到那邊去他們都是吃罐頭沒有肉吃魚的話也要靠運補上去 |
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亮島那邊大概一兩個禮拜才運補一次那裡沒有因為土質都是研盤沒有土質所以他們都是用那個寶特瓶空青菜放在裡面種植一層一層的他們吃的青菜是這樣因為普及的問題所以我在這邊建議是不是能夠把高登亮島由二級改為一級 |
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那麼三級改為二級大概差距是兩千兩百一十塊那麼亮島跟高登只有幾十個人幾十個人是不是可以把他調整從二級調整到一級這裡面差八千塊目前亮島跟高登的這個兵員人家都不願意去了如果您的小孩在那邊當兵的話你會體諒到沒水沒電 |
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沒有水也沒有電,非常的辛苦幾十個人啦過去在戰時的時候我一級48年823砲戰十週年老共要做報復我們在民國58年的時候我們全島16歲以上的婦女 |
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年輕人不可以離境而且槍彈全部都到位所以非常非常的辛苦我們面對對面一整塊的山群非常的恐懼我們平常都要躲砲彈每天晚上都要躲這個砲彈所以那時候內心的恐懼所以我們一直怕戰爭的爆發所以現在兵兇戰為我想 |
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左院長這邊也跟賴總統報告,我們不要贊成,我們希望和平 |
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剛剛聽委員談到您對外島的國軍官兵送了一些食物過去我覺得我們應該為國軍弟兄向委員表示致謝我們就是要防衛我們自己,我們走向和平之道才會表示說我們應該加強自己的防衛能力我也希望院長有機會去激勵我們官兵的士氣好不好 |
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現在一級只有南沙我們評估的結果認為高登跟亮島跟南沙地區的交通狀況還是有明顯的差異 |
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只是交通差異,問題是阿兵哥到那邊去,不能回來啊高層跟亮島之間的交通狀況跟南沙比起來,南沙還是艱困許多他們的面積比南沙少很多南沙還可以發電種菜,在亮島是沒有的請部長回去查一下好不好我想只有幾十個吧,只有幾十位的官兵啊這個是不是請部長回去 |
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演繹好不好,我並沒有說一定要怎麼樣啦我是拜託部長第二件事情就是感謝,第二個感謝就是北竿長崎拔長它原來是350公尺長那麼希望它現在已經變更為75公尺那麼原來馬防部啊,馬總防衛部咧演繹啊演繹說要5億,第一個方案要5億第二個方案要9億 |
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其實不需要嘛在北甘島上面不過五百多個兵員你不用回答我多少啦我大概心裡有數五百個兵員長訓的時間不多啊不需要那麼大的一個靶場其實一兩年之內啊他們現在是答應我們說五年之內完成遷建因為他這個在淡黃的地區啊而且屁林呢國中國小縣立醫院安養中心我們運動場 |
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所以部長這一方面拜託您兩千萬足夠了啦現在用步槍的機會很少我想在馬祖啊我在那邊住了幾十年應該用飛彈的機會比較大一點用不到步槍啊但是步槍呢必須我們是一個常備的一個項目 |
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所以部長這一方面希望國防部回去五年之內簽件這個允諾你要實現而且拜託不要那麼大的靶場靶場就是打個靶嘛是不是75公尺而已我也會打我們也常常我們在那邊常常接受民防隊訓練每年也是一年打好幾次部長你說好嗎 |
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跟委員報告,我想這件事情因為委員長期關心我們現在一方面是調整這個涉及的週期我想這點你也知道每週五天就是只有禮拜一到禮拜五那時段就是八點半到七點半本來今年的元旦,元月一號我要躺在靶場上給靶兵打院長說我要保重身體謝謝委員的體諒另外我們現在也做隔音牆 |
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已經合撥了這個需求的預算金額所以我們會開標以後我們管制在90個工作天點內把它竣工以後就有效可以來防止噪音好那繼續我第三個感謝馬祖飛高雄的航線部長你知道馬祖有多少個南部的官兵嗎有900多位 |
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900多位他們回家的路非常辛苦不是坐船就是坐飛機到松山機場還要坐高鐵才能夠到達高雄現在我們已經把這航線已經打開了當然我要感謝中油油罐車幫我們也弄了加油的部分交通部還有華航還有華信還有民航局大家都用了很大的心去做院長你有沒有聽說過 |
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哪一家航空公司,我們花蓮也好,台中也好,台中也好,高雄也好,要縣政府補貼的,你們聽過?沒有縣政府補貼?交通部是有補貼的?我們縣政府要補貼,因為他人數不夠的話我們要補貼所以報告院長這一點拜託,還有部長來了我們固定航班時間以後,拜託不要縣政府補貼好不好?馬祖已經沒什麼錢了 |
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即使這一次你看看這個財化法通過我一句話都沒講其實我們一般的補助款計畫型的補助款如果中央把我們扣下來我們幾億還不夠用還不夠分配是不是可能我們還倒貼所以對我們來講也不是好事所以我幾乎都沒有聲音我也沒表示意見院長部長在這邊 |
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拜託一下,不只是我們發展觀光的需求這裡面也是對我們阿兵哥官兵一個生活上的照顧兩位部長也都在,能不能協力來完成那麼這個錢不要縣政府出,請你們盡量去努力好不好一個月兩個月我們出得起啦太久的話,長年下去的話縣政府你曉得我們財政分級是列第五,第五級、第六級 |
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財政狀況非常的刺激,非常的不好,拜託院長可以嗎?報告委員,其實其他的航線也都有補貼,你也都很清楚,因為你也常時在關心這個議題 |
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那高雄的這個部分我們還是要看他的整體的運量就是說現在華夏航空其實很擔心就是承載量不足他會虧很多所以他會希望有補貼但補貼的金額其實如果是承載量很少的話那個補貼金額還真的是會蠻大的部長其實台灣到馬祖這個航線我們國家本來就是有責任所以台北到馬祖行的便利嘛行的安全嘛對不對本來就有這個責任啊 |
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你為什麼說高雄飛金門都可以飛,飛馬祖不能飛沒有道理,飛澎湖也飛而且都大的飛機在飛我們現在小小的一個要求,小小的要求所以拜託部長回去研究一下,看看有什麼經費什麼樣的法令,如果法令有問題我們可以修改可以修正,好不好讓縣政府能夠喘口氣還有就是這個票價前幾天已經開過會了 |
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要報到交通部去核定這一點拜託部長回去看他公文馬上把它批了為什麼因為他票價公布以後華信還要排班排班裡面還請部長幫忙一下據我了解華信很像要排禮拜二但禮拜二的航班要配合官兵休假 |
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我們除了發展觀光這裡面主要是阿兵哥阿兵哥回家的路更近所以希望在禮拜五禮拜五的話他們禮拜六跟禮拜天他有多了兩天因為要精打細算他才有這樣的一個需求請部長能不能夠幫忙一下 |
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報告委員這件事您也協調了好多次我們會盡量朝向委員的期望不過華信航空它整體的飛機的量能這個我們也需要考慮到因為也有其他的離島有這樣子的需求華信的董事長原來是華航的總經理他現在已經申出了是華航的董事長那麼他已經辭掉華信董事長的職務了 |
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那麼現在華信董事長派了沒有我還不知道,派誰我也不知道我最好能夠派陳雪生的話那我最高興了這個問題不要你解決我就可以處理了但是現在董事長換了我真搞不清楚有沒有人跟華信新的董事長,跟他切磋一下好不好 |
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你不要再笑了不是,立委不能兼董事長我兼董事長?立委不能兼我不能兼,我辭掉你一定是一個稱職的立委不行啦,聽說罷免又要成功,要罷免我院長,我24小時樹葉斐謝為民服務,我助理請了20幾個你不要看我們台中、桃園、台北,到處都是我們的鄉親 |
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我24小時為他們做便民的服務,徵取經費也是第一名的所以拜託你不要去談罷免的事情我沒有談罷免的事情拜託一下因為說真的我對馬祖的鄉親非常熱愛我也熱愛這塊土地,剩下三年讓我做完好不好?很切的拜託好不好?很少人在那邊談這個事情,我是第一個 |
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第三個就是有關,顧部長請回,這是衛福部的事情第四個感謝衛福部長上任以後,當然他原來當立法委員在我的隔壁我跟他什麼事情,我們兩個如兄如弟 |
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我跟他報告什麼事呢電腦斷層我們馬阿祖的緊急醫療後送大概一年有160位那後送過來以後有什麼問題呢電腦斷層醫生看不清楚上傳以後磨磨糊糊重新再造一次所以我們我要求他拜託他給我一個800 |
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八百劑量的斷層後來他說我們部立院全部都是一百多切的不能單獨給你馬祖那我也OK不過他也核定了部長謝謝您雖然你沒有做到八百你當立委的時候答應我八百切但你做部長換了位子以後腦袋又換了不過我也不怪你因為全部大家一視同仁要公平那現在也很多民眾提出來說 |
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縣立醫院能不能改部立醫院部立醫院的話要部立醫院的規模土地醫生還有儀器醫療設備等等我看需要幾十億當然以馬祖的規格目前金門厚重大概是兩百四十一個我們一年厚重我們大概最近這三年了最近這三年金門是兩百四十一我們是一百六十 |
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所以說那邊基本上的一些配備,像電腦斷層你給我了嘛這個問題,民眾的問題解決了你不然那邊照一次,這邊再照一次因為看不清楚嘛所以非常感謝我們衛福部長 |
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有關部立醫院如果你不成立部立醫院的話起碼一些基本的配備需求神經內科神經外科還有我們腦袋現在心梗心臟心臟的問題也蠻多的後送過來心梗所以請部長能不能對這一方面再加強再注重一下可以不可以報告委員 |
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我幾件事情回答一下第一個就是說有關電腦斷層其實同步那個時期澎湖醫院也是設立了128間的電腦斷層其實它是再加上現在的AI的一個處理可以把影片處理到非常的清楚所以請委員放心以後我們那邊的醫師朋友所照的 |
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回到台灣絕對不需要再重複照如果重複照我再找你嘛好不好而且這可以電腦的傳遞資訊所以這個部分沒有問題至於說在強調連江縣馬祖這個部分尤其在連江縣我們從幾個角度第一個人才的培育醫療器材的一個加強 |
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還有整體的醫療費用的提升,其實都是給予馬祖、給予連江縣最大的努力我想這個部分在幾戶方面也是給予家層加了30%、50%我們兩個人不談政治,我們是兄弟就跟周越南一樣,我們也是好朋友,也是跟兄弟如兄如弟一樣 |
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我也敬佩我也不會跟你們爭一張嘴啦對這個連江縣的縣民長期的關心我們一定不管我在過去或者是在現在因為那邊太多醫師的朋友了我們一樣都希望他們有一個好的醫療環境來把我們的縣民照顧好謝謝部長好不好你請回謝謝院長那現在我要談到我的抱怨我要談到馬祖大俏 |
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我還有應該算算不到三年的時間任期就要屆滿了我的年齡也應該差不多了這個馬祖大橋我每天都在關心這個事情從107年我們賴總統時任院長的時候我到行政院找他他馬上就把它批了中和規劃中和規劃他就批了批了以後交通部速度也很快 |
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折騰公路總局馬上做計畫110年其中報告就出來了送到行政院110年送到行政院以後不停的行政院秘書處還有國發會交通部這個公文一直轉來轉去那個效率實在我非常驚人 |
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抓了112年一整年喔我不知道躺在誰的桌子上我看不到也追蹤不到好112年不見了111年後來報到113年到國發會國發會說送到英國這個英商奧亞納工程顧問公司 |
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做第三方的認證認證什麼呢認證技術有沒有問題認證技術有沒有問題那已經也回來了啊技術也沒問題啊我想賴總統時任院長的時候對我們馬祖大家有承諾他的攸關馬祖未來百年發展大街的橋是馬祖人應得的大橋案在自己的手中推動一定全力促成這是他第一次的承諾 |
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然後賴總統也到縣地去會勘這個南北岸大橋大概3.1公里長他預計要8年完工賴總統也表示經費不是問題當然現在這個經費一直到288億我有一件事情我要拜託院長這個公文輾轉來輾轉去 |
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那前幾天在院會的時候我也跟卓院長報告卓院長說一直沒看到這個案子我就非常震驚啊這麼重要的事情我在立法院每一年每一次都在總諮詢的時候向院長提出來爭取這個南北岸跨海大橋也就是馬祖大橋但是院長說不知道沒看到公文 |
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我非常的驚訝我是說這個公文跑哪裡去了這麼重要的事情賴總統親口答應的事情而且院長我也口頭跟你報告好幾次但你就看不到這公文所以這公文一直在國發會交通部一直在秘書長行政院秘書處那邊一直在打轉我想我不曉得什麼時候才能看到院長讓您看到 |
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我要親自拿去給你看嗎跟委員報告這個工程當然是複雜而且挑戰性很大經過國內國外的工程顧問做了很多的評估目前委員剛剛所說經費達到288億其實上他已經再度修正已經提高到392億金門機場評估的時候我們馬祖機場 |
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剛剛評估的時候說要幾百億後來十幾億 十幾二十億我們馬祖南崗機場做起來啦所以你不要聽那個啦你要不想幫我做的話你說這個大橋啊 評估要兩千億那我就不會做啦因為他有南崗機場存廢的問題北崗機場要 |
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修整建的問題,還有大橋的問題,整個合起來談我們還聽到有不同的聲音,主要是現在修正到392億所以我們必須要重新再修正392億誰修正的?是世西嗎?我不曉得是誰修正的?國發會有這樣的專家嗎?他沒有經過一個細部的設計,沒有經過建設計畫的啟動 |
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他怎麼知道是那麼多億咧?所以我們現在看到的是這樣一個初步的一個概算所以我希望他重新院內還在重新再也不是用含的也不是用吹的一定要詳細精算部長您知道是300多億嗎?你聽過嗎?這個部分我們要回去再了解一下 |
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不是現在了解,這是你公路總局在精算的公路總局委託4C工程設計公司在弄的4C是我們國內頂尖的這段時間確實整個工程的經費一直在上升委員長期一直關心這個做大橋所以我要跟你報告的是現在最新的發展跟進度不是我是說院長你聽誰講的,誰跟你報告的 |
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哪一個單位跟你報告呢你回答我好不好,哪一個單位跟你報告呢這個是在院內的公文我們綜合起來算,它一個概算之後要有人算嘛,總是要有人算啊1加1等於2,總要有人算出來嘛不是我,我們還在內部要求重新核定這個數字為什麼會從288億,會漲到390億我想這是馬祖人未來的夢他這個跟機場一定要結合 |
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欄杆機場要把它停掉欄杆機場的跑道頭端太危險了我每次坐飛機回去我家裡面試試過我每次飛機降落我都怕尤其飛機重飛的時候多恐怖你知道嗎很恐怖你不要造成人命理由再來檢討問題就為時已晚太慢了我希望我身為立法委員我身為馬拉圖的立法委員我一定要在中央來發聲拜託懇求院長回去 |
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馬上把他進入建設計畫讓他去做細部設計讓細部設計出來因為前面的綜合規劃已經花了1億5千萬了已經花了1億5千萬了所以我剛剛有報告北竿機場的改善這工程的規劃南竿機場的存廢問題南竿機場一定要這個馬祖大橋現在重新修正出來這麼392億的這個預算我們要把它做一個 |
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你看前院長,蘇貞昌院長,他錢不是問題賴清德院長,錢不是問題390而已就390而已嘛你桃園一個地鐵,從空中變成地下600億元你都花了,是不是?難道跟一張離島你不重視嗎?而且我們不是一次到位8年的時程,一年花三五十億,我其他的錢可以不要你這個財化法怎麼錢,我一毛錢都不要 |
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拜託這個事情嘛,一年啊法律就是不是您要不要我們也可以說大家都不要,但是不行這樣說不要我不用也可以嘛,是不是我可以不用嗎?是不是我們陷入到一個非常不穩定的中央與地方的財政的劃分的一個狀態裡面下那如果這個合訂了是300多億,那到底是中央還是地方我們不要爭一時啦,我們要爭千秋馬祖這個大橋啊,馬祖大橋 |
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在朱院長手上批渴在賴總統手上核定我們會感謝你們的好不好我們馬祖真的你看我有介入政黨的問題嗎有跟你談政治的問題嗎我從來沒有我從來沒有有責難過行政院嗎也從來沒有好不好我想院長希望趕快進入建設計畫剛才我不停的質詢您就是說 |
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你的消息從哪裡來的?你的數字是怎麼出來的?你講個五百億,講個一千億,你就把我砍臼了嘛,是不是?這樣是沒有道理,對我是不公平的啊你到底是誰算出來?如果世襲算出來,需要五百、一千億我給你下跪算啦我太口氣而已,是不是?但是不是這樣嘛你不聽國發會裡面的人,隨便算一下就出來了是不是?我不曉得他是哪裡算出來的這個拜託院長好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1593.189 |
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讓他進入建設計畫讓他進入建設計畫我卸任的話我死也瞑目啊對不對,我陳宇人有努力過,我有衝刺過我不要讓人家講我陳宇人你在騙人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
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人家說我在騙人,我沒有騙我的民眾,我很努力在工作我覺得今天把現在最新的發展跟委員報告,委員也可以跟鄉親說明,那目前我們再重新檢討那個數字是虛無縹緲了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
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是空中樓格誰算出來的?委員我說明一下,因為這個深度達到60米是全球也少見的所以我們送到英國去以後呢,然後重新的檢討也同時重新檢討你花500萬給英國算,你找英國誰算?你給他付薪水都不夠啦,他有到馬祖來過嗎?有看過水深是多深嗎? |
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1652.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
我上次有跟委員報告過我們是建立在世新的這個規劃書上面的基礎因為他已經規劃得很完整我們只是去驗證這樣的一個深度國內沒有經驗然後看看國外有沒有這樣的經驗你進入建設計畫花不了多少錢啊 院長 |
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1663.799 |
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後面有多少錢?你把建設計畫裡面細色、詳細弄出來,那才是叫數字啊,是不是?你國發會有這樣的人才嗎?你海洋大學畢業,你就可以講說300億、500億、800億所以我們送到英國去,請英國的專家來寫證 |
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1690.344 |
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英國的有獎要四百多億嗎?英國的專家至少他們比較有經驗做看到國外的經驗,因為我們國內沒有這樣的經驗世新也沒有這樣的經驗所以我們要再次的驗證,我們尊重世新的專業但是我們希望再經過第二次的驗證國內的技術 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1715.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
專家你不去聽,外國約量比較遠委員我們這樣是在保障馬祖倫的安全五百萬是什麼?五百萬在英國眼中是什麼?是不是OB是什麼錢你知道嗎?我說你拜託,院長這個幫我們進入建設計畫我想行政院秘書長今天也有來 |
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1744.561 |
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秘書長拜託一下好不好你送上去給院長看嘛 送上去給總統批嘛好不好你不能在那邊跟我這樣子講包括我本人 主委 部長我們都有掌握這個狀況 新的發展你也可以講說五百億啊 一千億啊沒有沒有 這絕對不是空口亂講你進國發會有沒有在那胡扯八道國發會有這樣的專家 你把專家拿出來給我看誰啊這是透過專業的一個評估 但是我就是從頭再來看這樣的評估到底準確如何 |
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1746.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1768.457 |
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還有離島建設基金剩下8.86億我歷史跟陳玉珍委員還有楊雅雅委員之間你們說隨時撥補問你剩下8.86億你一年要花掉3億起碼吧你到現在怎麼辦很多案子到你們那邊可能就停擺了那離島基金就沒了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1770.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1794.244 |
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委員我們現在是一年編列酒業的預算但是我們今年被砍掉了6%在大院你回去檢討一下,現在時間還剩下55秒小山通啊,拜託一下他們說團過來,我們又再阻止他團現在不來了馬祖街道冷冷清清啊真的所有旅館全部空蕩蕩的 |
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1795.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1820.26 |
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民運部聊生所以請院長交通部有機會過去看一看陸委會這邊也謝謝我們邱主委很關心我們真的都跟大陸盡量不要吵架了這樣弄下去我的心情被你們搞亂了我立委都不想幹了不要說罷免我最好今天就辭職算了我都幹不下去啦你知道嗎我都幹不下去啦 |
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1821.752 |
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1833.264 |
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院長你覺得陳雪生這個兄弟你要我留在立法院還是要我離開請你多支持我好不好請你今天結束以後多休息謝謝我們都愛的陳雪生委員謝謝你的質詢 |