| IVOD_ID |
159303 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159303 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-18T10:51:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-18T11:21:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1468b0c2f72abc7f3e9234fde0aab3b2192e6bfb57ea0be442a32476d80bf290be43c8a959977bea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:11 - 11:21:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席好,我們有請我們的左院長麻煩再請左院長備選邱委員好院長好,今天一開始我想跟你討論的是我們苗栗孩子的授教權的問題我們看一下影片 |
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這個是上個月開學的時候我到苗栗的後莊國小去看孩子們上課的一個狀況那1.8公頃的這個學校最合適的班級數大概是40班後莊國小現在是51班院長你能想像超出11班又是滿班的一個學校孩子們在上課的教室跟下課的活動空間是有多擁擠嗎 剛剛有看到吧 |
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我們再放一次好了這裡有51班喔對,51班齁那我們後川國小的這個位置就在科學園區的旁邊你們看一下這是一個小型的一個室內的一個運動場一個運動的一個區域 |
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那後莊國小的位置就在科學園區旁邊那竹科的員工上個月已經有17萬8633人比起五年前增加了兩萬五千人左右竹科飽和帶來的外溢效益讓很多的新竹上班的人選擇搬到苗栗的竹南跟投奉當然我們非常非常歡迎他們到苗栗來那 |
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我們在2022年的時候成為少數人口一路正成長的一個縣市更值得一提的是到去年2月到今年2月一年之間涉及在頭份竹南的人口增加了2117人近三年大概增加了6000人每一年以1%的這個速度成長在整個台灣來講是非常少見的 |
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那現在竹南頭份市區的國中國小幾乎都是額滿的我們面臨的是學校小孩子根本就沒有教室上課 |
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那接下來桃竹苗大溪谷計畫的推動我想我們預估未來會增加14萬個工作機會那可預期的就是孩子的這個受教的一個問題其實桃竹苗大溪谷計畫當初在核定的時候配套就包含要確保水電無虞嘛交通的順暢醫療充足員工居住跟子女教育的部分 |
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沒錯吧,我們當初也涵蓋在這裡面那我們以南科來說增加台南、高雄、嘉義、屏東園區園區裡面每一個園區都有一所實驗的學校我們不是說別人有,我們苗栗也要有但是苗栗確實有這個需要那我們再看一下剛剛下一張照片這個好 |
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這是二月中我們開的一個座談會來參與的都是家長這個人數是爆滿的我們希望因應園區的發展小孩子的就業需求在竹南科學園區裡面設立實驗中學那目前我們中縣長也已經找好了地是縣府的地大概有九公頃左右那地由地方出中央出錢一起合作我們那天的座談會教育部有派人來參加 |
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教育部目前應該是沒有什麼問題現在就等院長跟國科會我們這邊點頭我不知道院長的意思呢非常感謝邱委員如此關心教育的問題能夠關心下一代是我們必須該做的重要的事情 |
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那隨著科學園區的增加產業的發展我們需要更多的這種教育的設施空間所以我想無論從硬體軟體 絲織各方面來十足的增加都必須要的而且 |
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委員所說的已經不是光是教育部的問題了我們的實驗中學 與其在科學園區的實驗中學都是國科會要全面來規劃來執行的所以國科會吳主委也一直在討論這個事情那我也相當的了解 目前進度過程吳主委來答覆我們請吳主委講一下我們科學園區實驗中學需要在園區籌設計畫抱怨 |
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核定及取得學校用地產權後才能夠進行評估規劃現在縣府已經找到地 |
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目前我們整個產業的需求現在還沒有很明確因為原來竹南科學園區的這個土地上次院長也去看過現在縣政府所規劃的三塊地其實都不符合現在產業的需求我想問主委我們大溪谷計畫是不是確定會推動 |
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已經核定了但是地方政府要配合當然當然我們絕對會配合就是說那既然要推動是不是小孩子就這個教育的問題受教的問題是不是要優先考量而且要提早來進行因為 |
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孩子的成長只有一次他沒有辦法重來也不能等他錯過了這一次機會如果我們慢了一年他的未來就影響到是比較快速的方法是趕快在既有的學校趕快擴充問題他剛剛我講了他那個土地只有1.8公尺因為需要要成立科學園區的實驗中學 |
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是有他的一些既定的這個辦法我想委員非常清楚我們要做很完善的調查這位委員報告這個部長也跟鍾縣長有過接觸有討論過那目前這個部長在教育部裡面的作業我請部長來說明 |
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我想謝謝委員關心竹南竹苗地區的一些從小學國中到高中的一些教育的一個機會的提供跟教育品質上的一個確保確實我們也看到竹苗這三個縣是因為科學園區的一個進駐 |
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這個人口是在增加的所以我們在今年的一月對目前的竹苗八所的高中我們已經撥了3,507萬先用來增班 |
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這是一個馬上立即可以改善我跟妳報告那跟委員報告那另外我們也核定就是說從今年開始我們這一個苗栗縣投訓國中的西社校社二十千的教師的工程經費有一億七千將近八千萬這一個用來希望能夠趕快增設這個學校我想另外還有一個苗栗的這個大同高中跟 |
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新華高中我們也給予這一個經費的補助都希望從快速的校舍的徵建學校的成立部長你講的沒錯這是一般的校舍啦一般的校舍其實當初我們中央補助了非常多的一個實驗教室實驗室 |
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那現在這些實驗室根本就是已經拿來當作教室在用了所以學生連實驗室都沒有這個部分本來就是要解決那我們提的實驗中學它其實的目的是在於說因為我們很多這個園區的員工的子女受教的問題 |
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一般來說如果我們家不成立未來我們苗栗縣的這些搬到苗栗縣的來這些園區的員工的子女他未來要到新竹去念實驗中學是不可能的他進不去的所以我們是希望把人才留在苗栗才會跟我們中間來提這件事情你懂我意思嗎 |
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不過我們是已經跟縣政府有討論過這個事我們竹科管理局也是很積極在協助那我們希望苗栗縣政府趕快先進行擴建用地規劃這個規劃還是要符合我們產業需求這個規劃完成以後我們竹科管理局會 |
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取得產權之後土地規劃完,用地取得你不能先核地嗎?先准他嗎?他就可以先前作業嘛,不是嗎?要先前作業,現在可能性評估在做可是現在三塊用地其實是並不符合我們現在講的重要產業他的這個需求啦那當然啦,這個縣府我這是另外一個層面我們當然會加緊腳步跟中央好好的配合啦那我現在講的就是說這個部分我們不能拿出來先來做一個事前的一個準備嘛 |
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讓我們在後續才能夠知道我們下一步要做什麼委員剛剛主委講說現在的土地評估起來不是很適合也請委員拜託我們到對地方了解有沒有更好的地點我們可以再繼續做評估那原則上我這樣問好了我們院長主委部長你們支不支持我們大溪谷計畫的園區裡面我們住在園區裡面增設一所實驗中學你支持嗎我們評估 |
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確定有這個需求我們當然一定會盡力來協助現在我就覺得 你就答應我就好了嘛不是 我們還是評估因為用地取得對啦 我知道啦 我的意思是說你既然大溪谷計畫既然要確定要實施那為什麼學校我認為趨勢上我們應該要提早因應做準備但是如果沒有找到合適的地點 大小 |
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他的位置的土地那也是沒有辦法執行所以趕快來找找看適合的地點是何在我們就進行來評估如何來設置怎麼樣規模內容的一個怎麼樣學校但地點要先有著落好的土地的問題我們來解決啦那我們會支持孩子受教的問題嗎對不對 |
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是是是,我們當然那個桃中原大氣谷的這個發展已經在行政院通過了我們科學園區管理局會積極來協助因為你看嘉義、嘉科、平科、時中111年核定,113年八月就開始招生了他現在還沒蓋好他當然土地的問題這個我知道,那我們回去加緊腳步那請我們主委跟我們部長還院長大家一起來努力來推動這件事情好嗎 |
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好 謝謝部長請回那接下來我再請問我們的院長我們賴清同總統上週在宣布這個17項策略之後人民還有各行各業普遍都感覺到台灣的民主變了調雖然總統沒有宣布戰爭也沒有宣布戒嚴但是對外就是進入了準戰爭的時期對內呢就是實施類戒嚴 |
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那賴總統說中國大陸危險嚴重我們有召開或者是參加這個緊急的因應會議嗎有就開了幾次這一次兩次都有參加那院長你認為台灣是一個民主國家嗎當然是我也認同你剛剛講的但是我覺得讓我們覺得我們賴清德總統賴政府正在複製一段歷史 |
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一樣的反共一樣的反民族主義的口號一樣的製造內部跟外部的敵人一樣的利用抹黑的手段媒體抹黑的手段一樣的藉體發揮面對不同的聲音一樣的貼標籤然後要做司法的變革一樣的政治目的目的就是要消滅我們在野黨你有沒有覺得這個似曾相識絕對非如此我們只是在面對境外 |
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敵對勢力對我們不斷的併吞跟滲透的意圖我們築起一道更高更堅固自我防衛的高牆這絕對不是準戰爭的行為這是自我防衛的決心自我防衛的責任就是說我們現在賴政府所做的事情跟希特勒非常相似完全不一樣那我們總統講一句話我們就要恢復軍事審判這個不是獨裁嗎 |
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當然不是 軍事審判我再說明他只有針對現役軍人的五種軍事犯罪叛亂 利敵 泄密 廢止職務以及抗命軍人不能有這五種行為有這五種行為就是軍事審判我們總統公開宣布了30分鐘那台灣人民可能有一半以上就開始擔心以後的生活那按照民主法制的精神恢復軍事審判制度要不要修法 |
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我們會啟動所有相關的修法包括軍法官人士的條例我們也要有更有經驗跟民主素養的軍法官來處理這些案子草案你有沒有正在處理啊什麼時候要提呢我希望我們在一個月內提了之後會跟社會溝通嗎當然我們現在所有的立法過程都必須跟社會也要跟大院溝通對啦 不要總統一宣布你們就配合著修法我認為爭取社會 |
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的認同更重要我們會啟動相關必要的程序這才是民主國家啦跟委員報告我想我們在研擬的過程當中都要跟社會各界保持溝通也要跟這個相關的這些專業人士來進行諮商這樣子 |
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那根據中華民國憲法總統是可以宣戰也可以宣布戒嚴公布法令發布命令但是我沒有聽過總統一句話就可以把這個現有的法律直接改掉的那要不要恢復軍事審判這是一個嚴肅的問題我們可以認真對待這件事情嗎 院長 |
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這個朝野的委員在過去也都有這樣相關的提案所以不是總統的一句話總統宣示一個政策出來之後民主國家按照民主的程序來完成所有相關立法跟配套這是現在我們必須馬上開始要做的所以立法的也都要經過立法院的同意啊 |
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這個不是說我們相關這樣一下宣布就可以進行因為我們研擬完之後跟這一個專業人士諮商跟社會溝通者還是要送大院來審議好,我希望你們講的要照做就是說你們常常在喊的是沒有討論就沒有民主我希望你們不要 |
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一邊講一種話回來講了又另外一種話那我們當然是不允許我們的國軍裡面有人做出危害國家安危的事情那但是你們現在對外一致的回答讓民眾覺得你在告訴大家馬英九任內我們兩岸溝通非常良好非常和平 |
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蔡英文任內呢 也還算穩定所以沒有軍法的重啟軍法的這個必要那現在我們賴總統一上任之後就認為軍機就變換散了就準備開戰了現在是這個原因嗎 |
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我們外面的解讀是這樣我想院長已經一切的說明了這個我想我們就已經限縮為現役軍人犯軍人職務上是犯罪這跟這個戒嚴沒有任何的關聯不然我再問你你過去是支持廢除軍事法庭的那你要為你過去的審判制度道歉嗎 |
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我想我們現在要來的是一個重新打造一個新的符合公平審判原則跟正當法律原則的一個新的您的意思是說你2013年當時你還是顧立雄律師的時候你的失律不周、倉促行事盧蟒而廢除的軍事審判是錯的嗎?我想當時的軍事審判制度有違憲的地方有這個不符合公平法律設計的地方那時候為什麼不改要廢呢? |
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當時我並不是國防部長所以你現在你現在擔任的你就要飛了但是我現在擔任我當然有這個職責來讓這個軍事審判是合於現場的意志因為現在的司法跟檢調都不普遍都不太讓人民信任更何況是完全在威權的這個軍隊裡 |
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軍事審判要不要恢復這是一個嚴肅的問題民主國家很多國家都有軍事審判的這樣的一個制度其實我們的立場一直沒有認為說要把它廢除我們只是說這個東西當然是可以更透明這是我們當初國民黨的一貫的立場那當初說要廢的是你啊是你們民進黨 |
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那現在說要恢復的也是民進黨神也是你們鬼也是你們這個立場反覆啊讓人民沒有辦法溝通嘛你要怎麼樣去去跟像那些當初為了洪仲秋的案子的號召的上街頭的24萬人 |
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他們要情何以堪啊德國委員報告我們回憶到當時是因為內在的因素因為領滅的事件軍中人權被忽略了所以內在的因素經過種種社會的反應是馬前總統的宣布廢除了軍事研判今天我們面對是外在的威脅 |
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內部的因素我們已經完整的保存了人權跟包裝金融人權未來我們也會有更有經驗更有民主更有法律素養的軍法官來審理所以沒有內在因素的問題我們面對的是外在的威脅你現在解釋就是說跟現在時空背景是不一樣以前追求的是安居樂業那以兩岸和平為主軸那現在你說追求兩岸和平是溫柔的投降 |
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是這樣我說私私有兩種和平也有兩種一種是國家要夠強一種是束手投降在我看來這是掌權者無視人命的倔強就是保障國人才可以這麼做你還記得賴清德總統要上任的時候他有一個影片廣告宣傳他是上了一部轎車對吧 |
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可是我現在看起來他當選之後他是不是上錯車了他開到火車了不會轉彎 直走我們開一部往和平的車往和平中站的車但是我們每天受到 |
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軍機軍艦的威脅在台灣環繞不是從今天開始也不是從520開始好啦院長最後來我跟你講我們內閣裡面有很多人失言、造謠甚至當側翼的這些官員你們可以用很多的政治語言去粉飾太平 |
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但是總統對外講的話會牽動國家的生死存亡也會帶著2300萬人民的生命財產安全受到影響那我希望以後這種事情我希望你們能夠更審慎的來討論我們兩岸的關係跟國際上的一個關係這樣可以嗎一直非常審慎的討論事前做很多的研商那麼每一個文字自貞自卓的都相當的謹慎 |
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就是要讓國人有信心讓國際也認為我們有保衛自己的決心那部長說國軍不管有沒有打仗隨時都要備戰嘛 對不對 |
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對 因為我們備戰才能避戰對 我也覺得非常有道理本來我們這個國防本來就是要做那現在兩岸關係現在被你們搞到這麼緊張要增加國防實力我認為沒有人會反對今年國防預算是6470億我們賴總統說要提高到GDP的3%大概會增加1200億左右 |
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當然我們在黨的立場是這樣合理的可以被監督的當然我們會支持但是你們打算怎麼分配你是多少要買武器多少要增加國軍薪資的待遇 |
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跟委員報告,我想大概國防的預算支出大概是就三大塊嘛一塊是人員的維持費,一塊是作業維持費還有一塊是這個軍事投資軍事的投資又有不同,也有除了我們國防自主的產能之外也有軍購,也有商購所以這些部分我們都是依照我們作戰的實際需要 |
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來進行這個相關的這些軍事投資那作業維持的部分因為中國的侵擾我想這個作業維持也日益增加我想我們也需要這些零附件、油料的這些籌貨那人員維持的部分我想我們也在進行一些待遇調整的方案這些方案也順我行政院行政院正在審議當中好,那你們提的你們有提版本了嗎?國民黨提了一個對吧?國民黨提了一個 |
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軍人待遇改革法案從薪資加給福利津貼方面直接入法保障因為要提升國防最重要的是人你買再多的武器沒有人是沒有用的沒有人使用是沒用的那志願役呢國民黨提的版本是二等兵直接加薪兩萬那你們研議的會比這個多還是比這個少我想行政院在審議之後我們會對外公布但是我們不認為這樣子的一個 |
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我一直在講這種因為現在據這個立委有提出來的這些喊價式的這種待遇調整的方法我想並沒有考慮到整個這一個我覺得是這樣子你們既然有版本要趕快提出來是在還沒有進入三讀之前我們政黨裡面我們大家好好的來協商好好討論這件事情我覺得這是有必要的不要倉促到時候你們不談等到我們提出來你們又要提復議 |
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院長應該會盡快來核定這個國防部已經把完整詳細的整個方案這個案子都送到行政院行政院基本上會尊重國防部我也會同意國防部送來的案子那大概什麼時候會停我們完成內部很快 |
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這個之外我們對軍人的一些包括他的保險我們也會做增加這是另案的我們是希望提升軍人的待遇目的是要有人那當然我們也有精兵的一個政策然後我們大概也算了一下大概改善軍人待遇初估大概多了大概是440多億我覺得這非常重要而且我們部裡面還有行政院這邊能夠納入考量 |
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我們衡量國家的需求對軍人的待遇 國家的需求對於整體的戰力因為我們要從整體的不只財政預渡好啦 那我期待你們的版本出來好不好謝謝 謝謝部長那再來就是賴總統的17項策略裡面部長請回 請回主委也請回那個就台灣與中國的經貿關係進行策略性的結構調整那目前我們要怎麼調整 |
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他的原則就是以強本固抬風險管理作為原則性那對雙方的人流物流金流跟技術必須要做到必要跟有序的調整就是一切要以強化我們自己的經濟安全為出發怎麼調整嗎 你要終止ECFA還是要做進出國管制還是要廢除兩岸人民關係條例 |
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大體的講是內控跟外控我們對輸出到國外的你知道我們台灣一年出口中國跟香港的這個金額是多少嗎一定相當龐大 對所以我們更要小心 不能過度的依賴性出去的各種關於高科技的產品更應該在符合我們現在國家安全的需求底下做強烈要求對 我現在要講的一個現實的問題就是說 |
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台灣進出口到中國和香港每年是4,898億左右那我講的是去年的數據那今年呢出口美國的金額是3,560億左右那到日本的金額是8,200億台灣出口東協10國的金額大概是2,800億左右那如果我們現在限縮了我們跟中國的一個交流的時候我們每年出口到 |
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1525.111 |
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大陸香港的這些業者他們未來怎麼辦所以台灣也要分散我們的市場我們出去到中國的很多的產品他都是加工之後又到世界各地去那也許世界各地也有更適合的生產基地你這些配套想好了沒有因為我看你們的動作就是要跟對岸來宗旨你要叫這些人 |
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我們只是要做必要跟有序的調整你要給人家一個方向你知道嗎你不是說現在講然後讓大家覺得沒有明天我到底要不要繼續投資我到底要怎麼樣我要移到哪邊去我這個行業到底要不要繼續做那我的未來怎麼辦我的貸款怎麼辦我的小孩怎麼辦 |
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1566.698 |
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不僅我們的廠商會到世界布局,我們也會另外有相當完整的條件希望國外的廠商也到台灣來設廠投資那國內的廠商對在國內的投資也會持續的加碼這個都是現在已經看到的現象部長,你們如果最終的目的是要兩岸停止交流我請你們直接告訴人民,讓我們的人民有所準備 |
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1591.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
這樣不確定性會讓人民不知所措兩岸必須做健康有序的交流你們的健康標準是什麼要保障台灣人主體的安全國防的安全跟經濟的安全跟人民的安全這個怎麼認定我覺得很模糊你知道嗎你不能選擇一把大刀在人家頭上什麼時候要往下砍不知道我高興我就不砍我不高興你就砍下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1592.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1618.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
那你叫人民未來何去何從他要怎麼樣無所適從你懂我意思嗎我們就是要避免這種大刀架在我們脖子上不是你現在是別人的大刀架在我們頭上沒錯那我們自己又拿了一把大刀又壓在我們人民身上不是嗎沒有我們沒有把大刀壓在自己身上所以我覺得你們的政策既然要做講清楚跟人民講清楚你未來要怎麼樣這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1620.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1644.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
總統在3月13號的財事當中這17項是非常清楚的只是我們一一要把它落實到部會裡面去當這個完善的周延的計畫出來之後會不會就具以執行那時候再請委員執照跟支持那我再來問台積電赴美投資我們這邊說是1000億美金川普說是2000億這個你們掌握的到底是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1646.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1670.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我們所知道是原來就已經有650億再加上1000億是這個1650億院長跟我們的總統也都說過要跟留台灣要把台積電最先進的製程留在台灣但是投審會說那個N1的規定只有針對中國其他地方是沒設限的對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1673.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1683.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
報告委員台積電我們當然是尊重他的投資規劃魏哲嘉董事長也表明台積電對台灣的投資是不變的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1684.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1707.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
像是高雄的兩奈米廠、嘉義先進的封裝廠這些投資都不會改變未來也會持續擴大的投資對台灣的半導體業來講仍然是全球最完善的半導體供應體系我知道你未來是怎麼管控這個高階技術、高階人才不會過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1708.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1734.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
過幾天不是他們州長要過來嗎他們到美國去投資必須要經過經濟部的投審會的許可所以我們會堅持把最新的技術留在台留在這個國內那這個裡面當然你怎麼堅持是最新你們剛剛講了我記得部長前幾天有講過就是說最新的技術明年是1.6奈米是不會過去嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1737.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1754.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
台積電他們現在會開始開發1.6奈米的技術但是這個技術還沒有到生產線還沒有辦法到生產線所以我相信他在美國他要生產線上面要去布局1.6奈米這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1756.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1774.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
不夠內行的說法也不夠專業的這個說法所以就是不會去嘛所以他會去的一定是在國內已經有成績的這個部分才會過去我們每年到那個台積電的他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1775.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1795.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
基本支出是大概381到420億美元如果美國的這個設置工廠它要到這個1000億美元的話我們算過大概一年要250億美元那會影響我們台灣的這個整個的進度嗎?這個不會你保證不會?你說一年會有一個廠嗎?對吧? |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1797.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1819.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
他不會影響這個是台積電他到美國也是他全球佈局的一個部分他主要是要接近他美國的客戶那麼這個美國的客戶呢比較先進的這個製程都在美國所以他台積電去那裡呢主要是服務他的客戶好時間也到了啦好謝謝院長謝謝謝謝委員謝謝邱正軍委員質詢也謝謝卓院長相關部會首長的備詢報案會現在議場 |