| IVOD_ID |
15930 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15930 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-20T08:30:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-20T11:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:49:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd884f44d7fbe074809e2506b9d78cd73c3be8d109af184be4d14826feeadbf0375ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部、國家運輸安全調查委員會及經濟部就「我國汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車之產業前景、法規建置、安全風險及發展現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:31 - 11:20:00 |
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好請議事人員宣讀上次出席委員已足法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄在場委員 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年5月16日星期四上午9時至中午12時49分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員黃健豪等15人列席委員張其凱等19人列席官員交通部政務次長陳彥博等 |
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主席李昭吉、委員崑哲。報告四項,宣讀上次會議議事錄決定、議事錄確定,邀請交通部進行專題報告並備質詢。本日會議由交通部政務次長陳彥博等報告後,既由委員廖先祥等二次人提出質詢均經相關人員分別予以答覆。 |
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決定一、報告及詢問完畢二、委員陳冠廷等二人所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報。三、委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分,請將部禁書以書面答覆通過臨時提案以向散會。訊訊完畢請問各位委員,上次會議一事入,有無錯誤或遺漏之處? |
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在場委員不足3人,議事錄暫不處理現在介紹在場委員,廖先祥委員現在介紹列席官員,交通部政務次長陳彥博程次長公共運輸及監理司司長林福山司長交通科技及資訊司黃興勳司長 |
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公路局局長陳文瑞局長高速公路局局長趙新華局長運驗所所長林紀國所長財團法人車輛安全審驗中心執行長周維國執行長 |
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國家安全．國家運輸安全調查委員會主委．林信德主委委員．陳天次委員執行長．林佩達執行長組長．曾仁松組長經濟部．產業發展署署長．連錦章署長產業技術師堅任．張能凱技政 |
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本日邀請交通部、運安會及經濟部就《我國汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車之產業前景、法規建置、安全風險及發展現況》進行專題報告先請陳次長來報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就我國汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車產業前景、法規建置、安全風險及發展現況提出報告,敬請各位委員指教 |
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現階段﹖ |
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現階段國內外都尚在技術及系統自動等級提升的發展的一個階段而國內為了因應自動駕駛技術的一個發展趨勢並支持國內創新科技結合車輛產業投入自動駕駛系統或車輛的開發應用在經濟部定有偶然載具科技創新實驗條例的架構下 |
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其中共有16個自駕計劃,申請沙盒的實驗,目前仍有3個案子仍在實驗之中。為了探討後沙盒時代銜接的發展路徑及預作相關法令調適的準備,交通部在111年 |
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110年9月成立了自動駕駛車輛發展策略委員會目前是優先聚焦自駕公車為推動的一個政策方向已經委請專業機構團隊研議制定自駕公車運行的安全指引中同時也展開未來自駕車輛法規調試準備的一些規劃的作業那近年排汰已經成為全球 |
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主要努力的一個目標那行政院也在112年4月21日和定關鍵戰略期運具電動化及無碳化的一個行動的一個計劃在這個計劃中宣示2030年市區公車全面電動化行政院也在112年5月26日也和定了這個電動車的一個推動的計劃在 |
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2122.174 |
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2030年7年推動計劃,總共需要投入643億元由交通部及環境部合作提供車輛及營運相關補助。全國目前已有19縣市陸續有電動市 |
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2139.879 |
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市區公車投入營運截至目前113年4月底電動大客車的領排數已達1827輛以核定製造中、正在製造中將要領排的有117輛也就是說等這些車輛都領完排了以後全國的電動車輛數將達到1944輛交通部將與環境部、經濟部及地方政府 |
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通力的合作努力達成2030年市區公車全面電動化的一個目標那接下來詳細的一個說明我就請本部的運輸監理司林司長來向各位報告 敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 那再來請公共運輸及監理司林司長報告 |
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2184.236 |
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2199.262 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就我國汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車之產業前景、法規建置、安全風險及發展現況進行報告．敬請各位委員指教首先就車輛自動駕駛、駕駛輔助系統、法規發展現況 |
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2203.303 |
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2225.886 |
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我國車輛安全法規系接軌國際與歐盟、日本、歐洲等地區或國家相同,都是調合聯合國歐洲經濟委員會的一位1C1車輛法規導入實施。車輛駕駛輔助系統或者是最終發展的自動駕駛系統,現階段無論在國內或在國外都尚屬於技術及系統等級持續發展的時期,但是因應 |
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2226.667 |
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2244.256 |
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技術發展及相關駕駛輔助系統陸續導入配備在車輛上的實際使用聯合國E1C法規也均同步進行討論並陸續增訂相關系統使用的安全法規本部委託之車輛安全審驗機構災難法人車輛安全審驗中心均隨時密切關注聯合國E1C法規的討論及增訂狀況並有與國內車輛相關公協會定有討論的機制 |
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2262.484 |
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明年均適時提出車輛安全檢測基準,含爆本部導入國內實施,維持國內車輛安全法規與國際接軌,並與國際先進國家發展一致。因應自駕車輛技術發展,並支持我國產業結合創新科技投入自駕車輛開發應用,國內在107年底已制定無人載具科技創新實驗條例。 |
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2280.377 |
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2296.155 |
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經濟部、會同、交通部等相關部會,在安全為前提下,迄今共以核准16案自駕車計劃申請沙盒實驗,在經核准的路段、時段及特定條件下,於實際道路進行測試,目前仍有3案持續在測試實驗中。 |
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2323.118 |
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為其運用自動駕駛及智慧車輛等技術促進交通運輸領域的創新。交通部智慧運輸系統發展建設計畫也支援經濟部沙盒實驗計畫,補助包括新北市、桃園市、新竹縣、台中市、彰化縣、台南市等地方政府建置自駕車輛試驗所需相關的智慧路測設備與測試,如CCTV、B路監視設備、跌打感測設備、 |
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2327.341 |
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2355.08 |
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自控制設備、車聯網、自通訊設備等共同推進我國自動駕駛車輛技術務實的發展為探討後沙盒時期的銜接發展路徑並預作相關法令調適作業準備交通部在110年9月已邀請自駕車領域的學者專家籌組設置自動駕駛車輛發展策略委員會並已經聚焦以公共運輸為優先推動的政策方向 |
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2355.56 |
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2378.295 |
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同時,交通部也在112年已經啟動自駕車法規調試委託研究計劃,科證銜接國際規範,先研定自駕公車實驗運行安全指引作業中,未來該指引可具體引導國內自駕公車沙盒實驗道路測試技術的發展。另外一方面,在我國電動大客車的推動方面, |
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2379.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2408.18 |
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經營碳排已經成為全球重要努力目標之一為推動運輸部門節能減碳交通部公路公共運輸計畫從民國99年開始就開始補助客運業者購置電動大客車投入營運行政院在去年4月21號核定關鍵戰略期運具電動化及無碳化行動計畫宣示2030市區公車全面電動化的目標交通部規劃三階段先導期、推廣期及普及期來 |
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2409.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2421.604 |
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推動辦理。在109年到110年先導期的階段,交通部跟經濟部、環境部跨部會推動電動大客車示範型計畫。111年底以輔導兩家業者兩車型,完成十項國產化項目,完成建立電動大客車優質產品清單,並推動關鍵零組建國產化。112年 |
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2433.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2445.091 |
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進入推廣期後電動大客車補助的車輛為交通部及經濟部審查通過的國產化廠牌及車型目前交通部跟經濟部仍然持續輔導國內相關車廠進行完成10項國產化項目的作業當中將可提供更多的電動大客車產品供客運業者來選擇使用 |
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2456.175 |
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2465.52 |
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行政院在去年5月26日合併2030年客運車輛電動化推動計畫,期年共有643.27億元,包括交通部補助購車經費450.84億元,環境部補助客運業者營運經費192.43億元,現行補助包括有購車、營運、車輛配備這個先進系統等補助項目,最高補助可達830萬元。 |
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2484.611 |
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2503.542 |
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在目前已經有19個縣市陸續有電動市區公車投入營運提供服務那另外在這個路線較遠的這個一般公路客運也有29輛電動大客車至今年4月底整個電動大客車未來包括領完牌之後總共會有1944輛 |
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2506.584 |
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2534.741 |
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為達到2030年市區公車全面電動化的目標,交通部已經在簡化補助申請程序,中央與地方分層審查,由地方政府提報年度汰換進度規劃,公務局會同相關單位審查後公告各縣市汰換數量目標,再由地方政府依年度目標審查合定轄管各客運業者汰換計劃,並掌握以合定計劃執行情形,定期回報目標 |
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2537.763 |
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2561.152 |
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另外,針對客運業者比較關切的電動大客車充電場站的問題,經濟部跟台電公司已建立單一窗口並參與審查、解決契約容量、供電瓶頸區域。另外,在公務局公共運輸計畫也補助新設轉運站設置公共充電樁,並由地方政府持續輔導客運業者增設智慧充電系統及出輪系統。 |
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2562.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2575.295 |
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交通部將持續嚴定自駕公車實驗運行安全指引,引導提升我國自駕公車沙盒實驗道路測試技術發展,並持續關注國際間自動駕駛車輛法規制度發展及趨勢,適時導入國內實施。另外,交通部也將與經濟部、環境部持續輔導 |
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2586.586 |
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2612.002 |
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國內車廠對應完成國產化車型的生產製造提供更多電動大客車的廠牌車型供客運業者選擇使用未來將持續與地方政府通力合作完成2030市區公車全面電動化的目標以上報告 敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝林市長請運安會林主委報告 |
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2626.339 |
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2638.625 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、先生大家好今天非常榮幸列席貴委員會向主席及各位委員報告我國汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車事務調查專題報告進行各位委員不立的質詢 |
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2640.663 |
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2665.053 |
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本會執掌重大運輸事故資調查,調查方法涵蓋航空、水路、鐵道及公路,其通過系統性的調查,能夠發掘事故的可能噪音及安全風險,並提出改善計劃,以防止類似事件再發生。針對汽車自動駕駛系統與電動大客車的事故調查,以我們說明如下。有關汽車自動駕駛的事故調查方面,依據交通部 |
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2665.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2684.406 |
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高速公路局的資料,自110年的1月期到113年的3月時,國道發生施工的工程緩撞車遭追撞的事故有347件,其中175輛肇事車輛配有先進駕駛輔助系統,佔全部事故的50%。 |
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2686.452 |
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2696.081 |
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在175件的事務中有開啟所謂AIDAS的有91件佔配備AIDAS的52%這裡重複發生事務的太陽本會已經啟動 |
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2703.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2727.927 |
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一百一十二年十一月三十二所謂小客車的國道一號大亞路段追撞工程仿傳車的事故的調查案那麼這個事故調查案我們分了操作分組、車輛分組及道路分組那麼針對駕駛的操作、車輛的這個特性、國道施工的交通管制計劃等等收集之外並持續進行後續的調查作業 |
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2730.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2752.701 |
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那麼運輸安全調查委員會也透過這個參與式的調查在調查期間有邀請這個交通部、道路主管機關高工局以及監理機關公務局共同討論並邀請、並協請這個高工局針對追撞、攻城、緩撞車事故進行通報所以是112年的12月1日到112年10月30日共收到40件的通報 |
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2753.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2770.61 |
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本會已經完成部分事故車輛事件資料記錄器下載,作為分析事故樣態及釐清事故原因的考量因素,並將在後續調查報告中提出改善建議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2771.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2788.826 |
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有關電動大客車的事故調查方面因照運輸事故調查法定定的重大運輸事故範圍第4點有關重大公司事故的第3款其他造成人民生命、財產重大影響、寵物發生或 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2789.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2789.947 |
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那目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2806.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2832.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
目前電動大客車的這個事務調查我們也還沒有開始來調查因為我們的調查人員的訓練能力的建構剛剛完成另外我們也修訂包含電動大客車事務調查的所謂的重大購入事務調查標準作業程序所以當我們事務通報之後我們會即刻派鞋點小組到事務現場收集資料成立專案調查小組啟動調查 |
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2833.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2854.491 |
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那麼專案調查小組將會設置車輛操作道路的調查分組來調查那如果有大量的人員傷亡的話我們就會偵測這個所謂身環因素的調查分組那麼有關這個調查分組的工作項目請給他報告一下車輛分組我們會收集這個電動大客車的基本資料 |
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2855.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2877.62 |
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會看查現場是否有起火、爆炸,然後確認記錄車輛的電阻索壞及起火的位置等等。同時會拍照記錄,確認殘骸各物件的位置,然後進行中外殘骸的標記及中外證物的保存。同時最重要的是要解讀電動大客車的資料記錄器、行車記錄器、行車視野輔助系統、行車電腦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2881.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2883.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
提供有關車載資訊、上傳雲端事務器的儲存備份,還有它的相關維修及保養紀錄等。 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2902.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2924.2 |
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有關操作分組的話,我們會包含車輛的監理還有銷售程序。另外,道路分組,最重要是看有沒有天氣有似乎適合相當環境,尤其是道路的幾何設計、道路的工程、道路的交通工程設計是不是符合規範,並透過地點事故的統計分析,了解事故地點是不是屬於高風險、路段或重要的一個熱點。 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2926.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2940.59 |
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有關修訂重大公路運輸事務範圍方面,因為新興運具像電動車具有ADAS車輛的普遍使用,為了能涵蓋更多交通事務的調查,本會已經開始檢討修正重大 |
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2941.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2960.408 |
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公路運輸事故的範圍,我們朝兩個方向,一個是調整它的體重調查門檻,另外是擴大調查範圍的方向來進行,所以能夠將這個信息運進大陸調查的範圍。那麼這個條文的修正目前我們已經併通重大水路、鐵路的範圍的這個修訂的版本, |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2960.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2962.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
本會將彼時獨立公正專業的精神辦理重大公路運輸先進駕駛系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2981.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
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先進駕駛輔助系統及電動車等新興運輸科技所產生的運輸調查作業。感謝各位委員不容聆聽,謝謝各位委員對本會的英文與支持,共同為提升我國公路所因為新興科技運輸的運輸安全實現努力。謝謝。好,謝謝林主委。目前介紹在場委員,游浩游委員。 |
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萬美玲萬委員目前在場委員已足3人進行議事錄之處理請問各位委員上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處沒有沒有錯誤或遺漏之處請議事錄確定接下來請經濟部產業發展所聯署長報告 |
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及發展現況涉及本部業務部門的推動情形來進行專案報告在我國車輛自動駕駛技術推動情形本部產業技術是為推動無人載具科技發展以制定無人載具科技創新實驗條例並於107年11月經立法院完成三讀通過申請人可在特定實驗範圍及條件下 |
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經審查確認可進行沙盒實驗．例如秦威公司與台積電合作在蘭克進行自駕電巴接駁服務實驗．目前載客人數已經達到4萬人．在我國 |
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電動大客車推動政策說明,行政院111年3月30日公布《台灣2050淨零排放路徑及策略總說明》中,其中有關運具電動化及無碳化,定有2030市區公車全面電動化目標,車輛數是以11700輛為目標。本部配合交通部審查電動大客車推動計畫,據以落實推動。 |
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那在國內電動大客車產業發展現況目前國內電動大客車策略業者已因應市場需求在臺灣投資擴建新廠並取得海外銷售時機華德在台中港已經投資30億元來新種電動大客車製造廠同時他在日本 |
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日本的西鐵巴士合作已經在日本九州開始進行試販運行另外,承運的屏東廠整車產能一年約1,000輛並已規劃在彰化中科二輪園區投資25億元新建電動大客車同時,承運也在112年11月1日與日本兩倍集團簽訂合作協議備放錄並規劃到巴拉圭投資設廠 |
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第4個本部輔導國內業者投入電動大客車整車及關鍵零組件自主開發的執行情形 |
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為了要推動國內的電動大客車國產化,我們配合交通部門務實訂定109年到111年,逐年新增3年10項國產化項目那目前我們協助整個整車跟關鍵是系統零組件開發,已經累積協助有27案那總共帶動廠商在地投資有將近275億元 |
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為達成2030我國市區公車電動化目標本部將持續與交通部跟客運業者進行溝通跟掌握客運的需求同時開發國產電動大客車新車型以提供國內客運業者更多車款選擇那以上報告敬請指教 |
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現在進行答詢先宣告以下事項發言時間出席委員5分鐘、列席委員4分鐘委員發言登記時間於10點30分截止各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員彙整 |
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暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息現在請登記第2位林佩祥委員發言謝謝主席有請陳次長次長謝謝 |
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委員好 社長 針對目前我們要發展所謂的電動大客車產業本席是給予肯定的 因為我目前接到最新的調查報告 全國有87%的民眾認為無碳、減碳的電動車產業在台灣是有必要的 |
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但是本期會從幾個比較算是比較基礎的一些方面來去請教請教處長根據請教次長根據次長在裡面我第一個就根據這份報告裡面我剛看到的是說我們跟日本的這個電動車公司有合作那也提到說我們要設廠在巴拉圭 |
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請問一下我記得在上面不知道是經濟部的報告還是交通部報告我們在我們要跟日本的電動車公司要合作然後設廠在巴拉圭然後要做有關電動校車的這個製造那本席就很好奇為什麼要設在巴拉圭呢請經濟部來做說明好嗎謝謝 |
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跟日本合作是日本合作市場在日本巴拉圭只要是在中南美洲的市場所以兩個市場是不太一樣的那委員請問一下第一點因為我們知道如果我們講是電動大客車的產業那這個產業鏈其實製造很多工作機會那有沒有計畫目前你們輔導有沒有計畫哪一家廠商把這個電動車產業的工作機會留在台灣呢 |
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現在剛才已經有跟國務委員報告華德那個華德跟承諺目前都是在台灣這邊已經除了原來的廠又額外再投資了已經投資200多億200多億那目前我想知道的是製造多少的工作機會地點是在哪裡而且實質上未來可以製造幾起工作機會既然你今天報告是大客車產業 |
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大產業鏈的形成畢竟最主要除了本身製造的產品要符合我們社會上使用之外更現實的是工作機會的製造我們台灣對於汽車產業的發展其實我們有很大的落後比起日本、韓國我們其實甚至後來在大陸我們在汽車產業上面有很大的落後我想這個是我們全國國人心中的痛那現在變成電動車產業的時候本席剛好去國外走了 |
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最近去國外走了一趟發現說其他國家的電動車產業也好不管大客車還是小客車甚至自動駕駛都比本國知道的東西還先進甚至我直接我不會言我記得我四年前的時候我去我去工研院參觀了我們所謂的自動駕駛那自動駕駛那個時候居然沒有辦法上路的原因是因為坡度不足 |
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波度的計算不足﹖ |
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本席會認為說這樣來講不管這個技術是哪一國的技術本席認為我們國內是落後的那我想請問目前你交通部跟經濟部你們現在做法是對於自動車駕駛自動駕駛也好還是電動客車也好你們現在的態度是什麼什麼時候我們可以看到上路的電動客車 |
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我們現在為什麼會問這問題最現實是現在沒有人想當司機真的沒有人想當司機本身因為這件事情則則是公路總局跟交通部特地針對他們司機的福利特地要加強但是我現在看到還是沒有什麼人願意來當司機因為人家因為大家會認為司機這個工作很辛苦而且會被人家責難的時候那自動駕駛勢必是趨勢請問經濟部甚至交通部有什麼應對的有什麼因為有這個新的科技有這新的技術而應對目前就業市場 |
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我先回答經濟部這一部分其實剛才委員講的投資剛才我講的是整車成德華園已經在臺中彰化屏東投資另外其實在零組件部分在荷花鴻海在荷花投資這個投資有將近700億只要製作電池這一部分已經有創造國內的機會券另外剛才談到自動駕駛其實目前 |
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在高雄那一部分在雅灣已經有在做自動駕駛的一個試營院因為這一部分技術確實是陳副委員講的還不是很成熟另外在台南的綠能沙崙科技園區也有在做這樣的試駕運行所以自駕這一部分我們經濟部是有投入一些科技經費在協助廠商在做自動駕駛這一部分那目前都已經在做一些試駕運行 |
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聚焦交通部對本席的問題怎麼答詢呢?這個部分我跟委員報告一下,裡面有兩塊是這個電動大客車跟這個電動小客車的部分那第一塊就是說,剛剛有報告就是說,針對自駕的部分那目前是優先聚焦希望能夠在電動大客車就是公車這個部分能夠讓他這一個可行 |
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那我也跟委員報告就是說裡面有16案這個之前申請這個沙盒實驗其中有12案是屬於這一個公司的部分那只是說現在沙盒實驗就是說雖然是某種程度之下但是人還市級還是要在這個上面那另外一個部分的話像剛剛這個林署長有提到這個台積電跟在這個蘭卡它已經有實際這個都已經有實際運賣部分那另外我們公共總局在台61 |
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主席 |
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好 謝謝我這邊要特地提醒因為時間關係我最近最後面提醒一件事情為什麼我把自動駕駛跟電動大客車這兩件事情拿出來講因為我們知道現在有很多公車路線基本上是不賺錢的因為不賺錢所以他們沒有人要駕駛而現在最現實就是說現在電動大客車對於偏鄉 |
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請交通部及經濟部好好研究 |
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知道說這個客運也好貨運也好如果說用這種電動駕駛加電動大客車勢必可以大幅度的減少成本但是如果我們不從這邊去研究而一天到晚只是針對說我們坡度問題還是說是想服務有可以賺錢的地方這樣的想法是不對的我們現在電動大客車跟自動駕駛要做的事是減少人力成本跟減少能源成本這件事我想說請交通部跟經濟部針對這個產業的發展 |
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請你們好好演你好 以上好 謝謝委員我補充一句話就是有關那個剛才委員講到電巴的推動 電動巴士其實電動巴士我們推動就是希望它要智慧化所以剛才委員特別提到的自駕的這樣的我們也在電動巴士的發展的過程裡頭對於這個業者能夠符合自駕相關的一個法令我們也給予這個相關經費的輔助來輔導讓他這樣的一個電動巴士朝著智慧化來努力 |
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因為今天時間不夠不然我可能會問你們說你們的車路線圖圖雲這五個方面你們現在做好哪些這其實每一個都是很專業的計算跟AI方面的計算但是老實講我看到的台灣目前是這個每個針對這方面的技術都是各自為證其實讓本席非常的擔憂因為我們這樣子我們一定趕不上人家先不要講說我們有沒有充電樁先不要講說我們有沒有其他的人來開車就跟針對這點上面的技術其實我認為我們是落後的 |
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主席指教還是 |
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好 請下一位委員 廖先祥委員發言好 謝謝主席喔 那麻煩我們的陳次長還有林署長 |
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有請陳市長跟連署長委員好市長好、署長好那今天就是兩個單位的報告那我看到我們經濟部的報告有一個2030年科運車輛電動化推動計畫那預計要在2030年推動11700輛電動公車上路那我們交通部 |
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給的資料,包括19個縣市現在陸續投入營運依領牌的大客車為1827輛,已合併117輛這兩個應該是同一個計畫嗎?是同一個計畫那請問兩位,按照目前依領牌加包括現在已合併在打造的這117輛合計1944輛 |
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看起來2030年好像沒辦法達成11700輛電動車上路嘛是不是 這個進度看起來好像是有點嚴重delay啊有能力做的一開始都申請了嘛那現在申請的越來越少到現在目前這117輛在核定製作當中後續可能只會越來越少如果你們沒有幫忙業者解決一些基礎性的問題的話 |
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有時候業者他不來申請不一定是錢的問題不一定是 |
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製造 我想製造端應該是沒有問題這量能應該是沒有問題那也不一定只有錢的問題而是在業者他可能在廠商的設置充電裝的設置他有一些企圖性的問題導致業者他沒有意願包括可能後續回交他沒有意願來申請我覺得我們交通部應該要去了解更深層的一些原因而不是說單純就是把錢丟出來可能有一些跨部會的問題需要我們交通部來主責來協助我們的業者有更高的意願來做汰換 |
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好不好我覺得都是正向的那當然就是第一開始首次嘗試的一個政策嘛那有不足的地方那再麻煩我們跨部會一起來加油好不好好我想業者在提出申請的時候我們都會請縣市政府來輔導他然後他提出整體的一個對瞭解他們為什麼有一些沒有申請的業者有些業者申請很多嘛有些業者就是沒有申請我去瞭解沒有申請業者他的原因是什麼我們來協助來輔導而且我們會特別針對非直轄市的部分縣市來輔導 |
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好 謝謝那這個在討論到自駕的問題其實我之前也有在我們委員會有提到自駕的課題那一天經濟部沒來那天我有引述我們經濟部的一個案例我們有輔導我們國內的廠商到澳洲去協助澳洲在他們的高速公路建置這個大貨車的一個自駕系統 |
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那其實我當初在委員會就提出來了其實我們國內在選我不知道為什麼當初我們國內在選擇自駕大客車跟大貨車的時候選擇優先發展大客車因為大客車的門檻應該是比較高的因為大客車的司機除了開車之外他可能還要處理一些人的問題乘客如果在車上 |
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委員會主席 |
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馬上擴充到全台灣去營運我就不相信你在淡水在哪邊台積電成功了你敢把這些自駕公車開去中和開去永和這不可能的嘛你頂多在台北市的中和道去做嘛所以它的規模的話會有很大的問題但是大客車 |
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抱歉 更正大貨車其實它沒有這些問題它原則上我們應該是借同高速公路來推動那因為它是一個封閉型的道路它所受到的一些包括行人或其他機車所受到的干擾會比較少那包括它也不用處理人的問題包括它可能發生故障的時候 |
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他所會面臨到的挑戰也會比較少那我可不可以先請教一下為什麼當初會先選擇大客車而不是大貨車來試行我們明明有這個能力去輔導國外澳洲高速公路的業者去推動那為什麼國內沒有推動反而在國內做大貨車 |
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這個其實這會涉及到一些安全性的問題因為那時候會先做從大客車做事因為大客車城市委員講的它運輸的距離比較短有一些不確定因素是比較可以去做控制尤其是在我們在一些封閉式的情況下在短距離在運輸這個不確定因素是可以去控制的另外一則因為那個高速公路它有一些路途長的時候它有一些不確定因素確實是比較複雜 |
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那澳洲是有開放高速公路是可以做這樣嗎?你們有沒有跟我們交通部討論過?有沒有跟我們高空局討論過?有嗎?有有有有有有嗎?有跟我們高空局討論過?那我們高空局的態度怎麼樣?我們是持一起合作的立場還是持排斥的態度?我們合作我們合作 |
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跟委員報告如果說我們一些不確定的風險能夠確定的話我們是可以合作的但是現在不確定的風險實在是非常的多而且他那個車輛的一個性能狀態你都可以在澳洲走台灣高速公路不能走那個交通量是不一樣的難不成我們把危險的東西給別人 |
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去做這個也不太符合我們台灣的國際形象嘛我們國內的人是在幾乎在飽和之下好沒關係那我之前其實有交委會也有提出來希望我們的大貨車的自駕系統能夠在我們高速公路去做一個呃試行嘛不是也不是試行就是啟動相關的計畫那當上次只有說啟動嘛你們也承諾了那可不可以給我一個時間表我們後期會做一個隨中有沒有辦法有人給我一個時間表 |
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你們哪時候可以開始啟動?跨部會的來協商?今年好不好?今年,我給你們寬一點,今年 |
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我想我們先3個月的時間研議一下吧後續如何推動或推動的構想提供給委員參考3個月內那給我後續的一些規劃的啟程好不好那這個東西就會列入紀錄嘛那我再會再追蹤好的麻煩次長謝謝市長謝謝各位我們局長謝謝好謝謝縣長委員再來請萬美林萬委員發言 |
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陳彥博次長、陳文銳局長 |
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4月26日 |
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那針對了9005的路線 增開了兩個班次分別在6點35分7點以及9023A 7點37分那這是增加的班次但是9023A它是增加的是機動的一個班次那這個都是從我本席的選區中正義文特區來出發那但是呢 經過這20幾天將近一個月的營運 |
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我想除了證明當時本席來要求增班的以及機動增班的需求的確有需要之外但是我們也發現了一些相關的問題包括這兩個路線是不是可以再優化來增班調整我想在這邊跟次長還有跟我們的局長來做一個請教 |
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那我想這個我們看到9005的路線在6點35分增班的那一班幾乎班班都客滿了而且還是維持一樣上不去的一個狀態還是不夠但是7點的這一班的這個班次那可能是不是因為班次的時間還有這個起站的問題所以座位始終都還有餘裕所以我想次長跟局長我們來看一下在這個增班的班次當中是不是可以還有優化的一個空間 |
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那我想我們可以再看一下9005這個車站的一個路線圖那因為9005其實在這個桃園市繞的算是蠻大圈的那從桃園火車站出發經過中路區然後來到這個義文特區上高速公路那既然在中正義文特區這前面幾站其實也有很多的民眾一直在反映就沒有辦法搭乘上這個可以去台北的路線的車 |
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那所以7點開的這一班我們在中正藝文特區既然每一次都是沒有滿的情況之下我想本席在這裡建議第一個我們是不是能夠再繼續加開一個班次這是第一個那第二個我們能不能夠把這個加開的這個班次往前往前挑起站我們用這兩個方式有沒有辦法彈性來做 |
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好是我想謝謝委員的指教因為確實就是說整個就是這種國道客運要上高速公路因為他在高速公路上不能站所以確實有些部分的話就是說如果說這個這個前景站的需求高後面有時候就沒辦法那 |
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之前的話就是說相關的大概就是說班次的調整或單位上面的部分的話委員的指導其實有客運業者也有做了一些調整那這個部分是不是我們再來跟客運業者就是說因為有一些部分加班車局長你整整浪費我30秒沒有回答半個問題加班車的部分我們會來就是說來協調業者就是說有些部分的話我們就來做一些那個所以我想本身在這裡具體要求雖然你浪費了我快要一分鐘的時間就是9005 |
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現在看起來7點正半那一班因為沒有滿但是當然我們也不能確定它是不是每一次都未滿的狀態如果能留著最好但是你看這路線圖往前看在中路地區這一圈其實需求量非常大那每一次其實也都是要排隊等很久那本席希望兩個方式第一個如果能夠再增加一班那麼從中路這個地區或者是從起站的地方再多增加一班這是一個第二個呢如果是在義文特區的話那能不能再往前一點點如果來到 |
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本席希望能不能這一班的增加的班次可以變常態的增班 可以做到嗎 |
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委員這個部分我們都來協調就是跟客運業者來這個剛剛委員所做的相關的這個建議的部分我們來跟業者好那再讓你去協調一個5250B那這個5250B現在的狀態當然是從盧竹發車以後就直接上高速公路去了到了南崁那能不能夠我們再繞一點點路因為我們知道我們在經國路有一個經國轉運站那那個經國轉運站其實有很多的民眾在那個地方 |
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5250已經有一些部分已經有這個繞死到這個經國轉運站了那我們是不是就是說這個部分我們再來跟業者做一個協調 |
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好那以上本席希望10天之內我們有一個明確的答覆好嗎再跟委員做一個報告好那最後我想再一點點時間我想本席過去在總諮詢的時候也提過那我們知道其實交通部針對我們現在客運的大客車的這個駕駛一部組我們有提出一些方案其中的公共運輸駕駛擴大徵才方案那本來是希望能夠招募客運駕駛1800人遊覽車駕駛3000人不過呢 |
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我們還提出來了說這個方案呢要把它延到113年的2月29號延到114年的2月這是第一個延時間第二個我們還要加碼給他在補助訓練期間的生活津貼915元嘛對嗎對 |
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對 但是呢 到目前為止你只招募到客運駕駛1031名 遊覽車駕駛125名整個達成率只有29% 非常的不理想那現在距離114年2月不到一年的時間那次長請問一下 這個方案你有信心可以達成招募4800名這麼多的司機嗎 |
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那以目前的狀態來看有可能達成嗎? |
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看起來要達標還有困難但是我們希望要繼續加油 |
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當然,這裡有個數據,全國客運駕駛人數從108年的3月23,005人,到113年3月19,012人,總共減少了將近4,000人。但是擴大徵才的計畫從112年的3月開始執行,可是我們看到司機人數不增反減, |
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從19165人降到今年19012人所以這個計畫下去以後還反而減少153人我想整個整體的計畫我知道大家要施行在現在是很困難但我們希望還要繼續努力那麼因此我想為了解決公共汽車客運這個司機短缺的問題我們是不是能夠借盡日本的做法研議引進外籍的司機員來彌補我國客運司機荒的問題 |
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委員報告引進外籍的這個駕駛這個牽涉到我國國內勞動力的一個勞動市場當然當然就是您還要跟這個勞動部這邊在橫向的來研究嘛觀光產業當然當然所以我們有要跟勞動部相關的諮詢委員會去做出我們的評估報告去跟他們共同討論 |
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公路總局大概也跟勞動部等相關單位在5月15號有開過會了後續我看我們怎麼樣來加速的來推動好 那我想這個過去這個部長他也清楚那現在當然我們新的部長今天就要上任了本期希望這個是一個全國性很嚴重的問題這個大客車、遊覽車司機缺工 |
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我會來跟向部長報告 |
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好,謝謝萬美營、萬委員。再接下來請何新淳委員、何新淳委員、何新淳委員、何新淳委員不到。再來請徐富奎委員、徐富奎委員、徐富奎委員、徐富奎委員不到。再來請李昆澤委員、李昆澤委員、李昆澤委員、李昆澤委員不到。 |
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陳素月委員陳素月委員陳素月委員陳素月委員陳素月委員陳素月委員不到許智傑委員許智傑委員許智傑委員許智傑委員不到黃建豪委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 那我們依據今天主題先邀請交通部陳次長、公共運輸跟監理室的林司長請陳次長跟司長委員好 |
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市長好市長今天開始我們要討論就是我今天主要是這個電動車那2030年有個客運車輛電動化的推動計畫是由你們跟這個這個其他部門一起來推動的這個計畫希望說要編列643億來完成14500輛的公車來電動化那我想這個電動車我想為什麼會特別關注這個因為我來自台中台中是個苦主城市啊 |
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電動大客車包含購車成本、營運成本、電池太舊成本跟充電廠的設置成本這四個都完備之後才有可能真正的去完成所謂的公車電動化的問題其實像編的預算2030你要完成這個部分編了643億要做14500輛換句話說等於每一輛分配到的補助大概是443萬 |
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那如果這樣講的話,其實理想很豐滿,現實很骨感現實是什麼呢?以現在的這個業界,我最有所了解到的因為台中最近出現很多這個問題,所以去了解了一下這個每輛電動公車基本上它每架的造價就是上千萬 |
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光是售價就上千萬那後續的包括營運成本什麼叫營運成本就包含說後面提到的電池的太舊那充電廠的設置那這些東西它基本上的營運成本是傳統油車的四倍所以政府就算去補助那我想這個虧損也非常難以彌補啦 |
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4930.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那再加上說基本上之前的臺中的幾個電動公車的業者他們基本上都是用虧錢的方式在經營這個電動車轉型那再來就是電池的損耗其實大家都沒有注意到電池損耗這些損耗以現在的科技來講也是一件很可怕的事情就是我去了解他們的財報去了解業界的狀況那這個 |
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電池製造商光是成本他大概就500萬電池就500萬一台車1000萬左右1000多萬電池500萬那有的會更高那第一年的衰退率大概8%那跑3到5年之後可能會衰退30% |
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那電動車他理論上他在安全維護上他需要維持所謂25%的剩餘電量那如果他用到第5年的時候他大概電池只能續航力達到45%所以幾乎到第5年的時候他就要換新車了他的這個不像我們傳統的柴油公車傳統的這個油車他可以用可能10年15年甚至20年的公車都還在室內公車都在路上跑 |
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電動車因為它受限到電池這個這個損耗的問題所以這個問題我們2013年沒有推動這個客運車輛電動化的推動計畫要怎麼樣達到這個目標尤其在電池這件事情上我們有什麼樣的做法 |
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沒有啊﹖ |
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後面還有一段的時間另外一個技術電子密度技術的發展也非常非常的快所以有關於電子成本的部分我們在預估後面到這個年期也會那個那第二個部分剛剛委員有提到 |
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臺中市包括捷順或四方我跟委員報告一下其實如果說以臺中市的4B客運業者來看的話基本上可以切成這兩類有一些就是以往專注就是客運業者的一個部分路線多規模大 |
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那另外一個部分包括這個釋放客運跟這個結訓那就我所了解的部分當時應該這個背後都是屬於電動大客車的車廠那為了這個就是說他們自己本身出產產品的一個這個使用所以路線這個不多然後那另外一個部分這個這些產品也是比較這個早期的一個這個部分那我第三點跟委員提供一個這個數據如果從這個示範型 |
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這一個相對的一個部分的話都比這個傳統男友都好 |
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市長你的意思是說我剛剛提的數據比如說電池的損耗量以現在的這個狀況你剛剛以台北市為例好了這些新的車廠他使用電池他的損耗有提升嗎他的效率有提升嗎有有有他大概多少多久會達到50%耗損到50% |
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跟委員報告下因為從這個就是109到現在大概三年的一個這個時間那據我所瞭解目前通過示範型車廠的一個部分跟客運業者簽的有些電池的保固是到8年有些這個電池的保固是到這8年那有關於這個電池的這個部分的話其實我們跟這個產方署這邊那個效能的提升的部分都一直這個持續在做一個這個精進 |
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市長跟市長其實今天主要時間也不夠了我今天提出來就是說希望在推動電動公車的同時我們電池的效能一定要把它提到一定的比例不要說好像用個一年兩年電池就壞掉了或是損耗的太嚴重那其實馬上要換新車那其他的成本就不是帳面上看到的 |
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一次買一千萬而已因為它是等於它可能兩年後、三年後又要換新電子那電子成本又佔了整車的一半那這樣其實它的意義不大啦對公車業者來講它的這個營運效率會很差很差那還有幾件事情還有兩件事情要提醒一下因為時間不夠後續我們可以再討論第一個就是說現在這種電動公車它後續的充電廠站它基本上都必須要有很大的量體 |
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主席 |
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就說到底我們電動公車這是人員一體的到底是不是真的環保因為這電動車真的等於環保因為由於台灣現在的這個發電量台灣現在的發電的這個模式如果80%都使用火力發電的話那其實電動車它未必等於環保的問題 |
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後續的回收、電池的回收、電池的回收機制這個可能跟環境部還需要再討論一下到底電動車的回收的機制怎麼走他有沒有辦法重新再利用還是回收之後就跟現在一樣各地的車廠把它拆解之後又四散到奇怪的地方去這個地方我希望說在推動電動公車在推動這種電動駕駛的時候你們要把後續的回收的這個流程要把它做好好不好 |
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再有請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席、各位委員、有請次長有請陳次長 |
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委員好 社長好 是這個今天這樣的議題很少在交通委員會列這樣的一個專題報告 這個非常好事實上在107年 立法院就三讀通過無人載具科技創新實驗條例 |
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107年到現在也有好幾年了 |
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那當然你們今天的報告也特別提到這個這幾年的一個努力這個也核定了2030年客運車輛電動化推動計畫也就是從今年開始到19這個7年共643億643.27億元來這個推動這個 |
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客運車輛電動化的一個推動計畫那這樣的一個計畫裡面的報告這個到目前是包含之前的了19個縣市陸系有電動試騎公車投入營運提供服務請問一下這個19個縣市是哪些縣市 |
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這個部分我大概跟委員這個報告一下大概包括六都跟其他部分我想19個部分這個倒過來22個縣市大概就是3個縣市沒有啦哪3個縣市沒有就我所瞭解3個縣市的部分應該是連江、台東跟花蓮這個南投 |
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所以這個部分這個要請交通部,當然這個大家都在 |
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無人載機科技創新實驗條例 |
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還有包括我們其他的交通的法規道路交通的法規怎麼樣能夠透過這個一部分的縣市的推動執行然後能夠滾動修正調整提出這個修正的一個規劃或是甚至有具體的調整的修正可以嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員報告下 裡面有兩塊我想這個公車自駕的那個部分我們持續跟廠方署來這個推動技術上面的發展那有關於這個就是電動大客車的普及化的這個部分的話我們今年會有另外一個重點因為目前電動大客車大概普遍集中在這個六都那我們今天希望針對六都以外的比如像包括台東、花蓮這種公車數量比較少的部分我們希望能夠把它這個盡快把它這個全電動化 |
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然後讓其實這個電動化應該是在比較偏向這個部分應該優先來這個實施當然我剛現在這個計畫我知道這個計畫是跟那個無人載機還差很遠還沒有到那個地步我第一說從透過這樣的一個推動然後怎麼樣能夠往這個方向去努力讓這個可能無人載機還是會在都市地區會比較 |
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會先開始委員提到的相關法規的研議或對應我們會來努力 |
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另外就是說這個上次跟次長也提到了因為我禮拜六禮拜六去這個封冰箱花蓮封冰箱真的是很危險那個石頭可能不要說很大的魚一些小魚可能就會隨時會掉下來所以這個部分這個透過這一次的一個 |
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對地理環境的瞭解、氣候的瞭解對地質的瞭解來充分的把它因為這個隨時會掉下來對人臉的安全真的是會很危險因為這個台11線也是這個重要的一個省道好不好有會做那個相關的一個復建工作好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝鄭天才委員再來有請林德福委員發言謝謝主席,是不是請交通部陳次長有請陳次長 |
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市長你好我請教因為有許多民眾在開高速公路的時候開車會開啟輔助駕駛系統根據高速公路高宮局統計112年環狀車 |
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遭撞121件有77件63.6%疑似使用自動輔助駕駛系統追撞緩撞車的問題在國內有增加發生的這種趨勢讓人擔心未來自動駕駛技術的發展我請問交通部追撞問題能夠解決嗎 |
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我簡單講再說明一下然後再請林市長來做補充原則上防撞拖車在高速公路上自駕所引起的這樣的一個事故我們大概分幾個面向第一個是車子的本身跟使用手冊上我們要去清楚的請車商去說明現在的這種不是自動駕駛其實它是一個輔助駕駛人的因素還是很重要那這上面那對於車商當然我們也會做一些調查那詳細的情形我請林市長來做說明 |
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這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下目前大概車輛配備的部分都叫做這個輔助駕駛系統都還沒到所謂的自動駕駛這個系統那我們也怕就是說這些相關車商在這個銷售車輛是有過度的這個宣傳 |
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那這個就是車主在使用的時候有過度不當的一個使用所以大概剛剛次長講的部分我們分幾個層面第一個部分在要求這個車商或是代理商在車主使用手冊所配備的這個輔助駕駛系統都要這個明確去說明他的一個功能使用限制那你不能全部都對給車商啊我認為說立法院法制局有建議說倒交條例 |
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徵定有關自動駕駛之違規行為太樣與華澤那交通部你們的看法如何?這個部分我跟委員報告分兩塊針對這個現在這個輔助駕駛系統的部位依規定所還是要放在這個方向盤上面 |
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我認為這個很重要因為立法院也以多次來修法提高這個 |
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處罰酒駕,那酒駕除了罰錢外,還會吊扣以及吊銷他的駕照。那今年3月有媒體報導說,有民眾第15次酒駕被抓,那許多酒駕的累犯還是無照駕駛,甚至於危害大眾的交通安全。 |
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那為了解整個酒駕累換、無照駕駛的這種情形請交通部一個月內啊你們把它整理出來一年的資料說明10年內啊第三次酒駕累換或據測的累換而且無照駕駛之統計資料給本席有沒有困難沒有我們來提供給委員那對於酒駕累換、花錢不怕、吊銷駕照 |
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他也不痛不癢那喝酒無照繼續上路請問交通部未來會如何改善這個問題呢跟委員報告一下委員剛剛所提的這個課題去年在修正處罰條例的時候那也特別考量這個部分第一點就是無照駕駛本身提高法緩 |
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那第二個部分針對酒駕這個銷價在於這個駕車的部分的話就是在於加法一萬兩千塊那另外一個部分的話就是把這樣子的情況列入這個相關發生事故這個加重刑刑二分之一來做一個處理我認為齁這個累換齁而且一次一次齁這個要危害到就是其他人的生命這是很嚴重的問題啊交通部一定要重視 |
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好不好我想委員這累翻的其實在處罰條例是一直在修啦對啊在加重啦是加重我們再來再看總是因為我提了一個法上次就要公佈有公佈但是我認為甚至於有的公佈他根本就他已經沒有辦法已經批了沒有辦法改了啦 |
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所以我們相關的這個刑法上也其實酒駕現在其實是以刑法在處理所以整體性上來委員特別提到的我們一個月內提出資料的時候看有沒有什麼建議再向委員來做因為酒駕遭調 |
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一年內要開車或騎車依規定車輛都應該要加裝酒精鎖根據110年12月統計酒駕、吊銷、駕照、重新考照有2598人車子有裝酒精鎖的卻只有103輛而已103輛 |
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那酒精所執行成效似乎也不佳啦那請交通部一個月內你們把它整理酒精所相關執行的統計、數據啊汽車與機車要分別統計來整理那此外交通部過去說要修法要求酒駕在考駕照的話必須要開著裝有酒精所的車輛來應考像這些修法你們哪時候可以提出版本來 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告就是剛剛委員關切的那個課題所以在去年也修了就是說如果酒駕被吊銷駕駛執照重新再來考照的時候要核發駕照他就必須要有酒精所的車輛 |
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我才會核發駕照給他如果沒有這樣的車輛都不發駕照所以後來就是說以往剛剛委員講的那個情況到目前大概就是說他沒有加裝走行鎖的車輛他即使考驗合格了建立機關依法也不能核發駕照給他 |
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我是希望說因為酒駕累犯也不少而且這也危害到周遭民眾甚至於你看這個大馬路上他酒駕他已經幾乎自己都沒有辦法自控了那 |
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主席 |
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主席謝謝,麻煩請交通部陳次長跟運安會林主委請次長跟主委 |
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市長2030我們希望達到公車全面電動化那到底會有多少輛的公車要有電動化?以我們的規劃大概11700輛那到現在還有6年的時間可以達成這個目標今年2024年到目前為止你的報告裡面是1944輛 |
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換言之還有將近9500輛左右需要達到這個目標9500輛來我們有跟委員有規劃啦原則上今年大概要有25%然後在這個這個 |
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預計今年年底要達到多少量電動化3000多量3000多量去年底本來目標是2030量就跳票了嘛那目前是落後將近20%本席希望你達到我先開宗明義先講我今天來質詢是希望我們能夠督促我們的目標達成因為既然你已經訂下一個2030年要全面電動化我們再檢討好不好 |
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所以我現在只是想確認是說今年年底可以有3000多輛有保證嗎跟我們報告一下確實這個去年稍微稍微落差那今年的目標量是3300輛3300輛民購保證缺額大概是1300多輛那目前這個公共總局各地方政府包上來的大概已經審查當中的1200多輛所以相關這個1300多輛的部分今年年底都可以這個核定然後來打造車輛 |
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不要美化數字啦我們要的是能夠真的上路嘛 對不對你的達成不是說到最後審查通過然後沒有辦法真的上路我們現在講的都是說在真的領牌領牌的車輛是1900多輛嘛 對不對 |
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兩個部分是民眾或說這個客運業者認為說現在為什麼電動化巴士那麼困難的原因我想之前媒體有報導本身也去做了解也聽了很多業者的一個心聲兩個第一國產電動大巴選擇性太少到目前為止有幾個廠商合格廠商 |
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報告委員目前通過這個十項國產化的部分有兩家兩家廠商連汽車客運業者都講說這三年來只有晨運跟華德兩家取得據了解還有三四家同業努力爭取符合示範型的補助計畫沒有通過可能真的是因為門檻太高這是業者講的 |
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那到目前為止本席也納悶了既然大家我們也希望是用推動電動化那能夠取得這樣子一個合格部分只有這兩家那會不會真的是門檻太高 |
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跟我們報告一下目前通過是這兩家那其實有三家一直我們跟這個經濟部一直在補導應該最近啦應該最近會有新通過的這個已經有廠商有取得有可能大概就是在這個經濟部的分組裡面大概已經審查的通過了我們後續會召開這個委員會來做審查確認 |
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那另外也有講到第二個問題是臺電不給電業者很苦惱就是配電的部分因為很多業者也很多客運業者叫苦連天啊講說在電動巴士的這個充電柱依賴臺電的電力供給但是臺電的電力供給在每一個地方因為電動巴士可能停放的地方相對來講是比較空曠的地方那空曠的地方也許他的電網就配置的沒有那麼足夠所以 |
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南港、內湖、新北市本期的巴黎臺電當初規劃就沒有想到會有增加那麼多的用電量那現在突然間說要用電動巴士了就會碰上供電瓶頸那在這個部分我們公路總局以及相關單位能夠怎麼樣協助否則會變成是說我們到2013年的時候我們大家都是用電動巴士結果電動巴士放在那邊沒有電可以用沒有電可以充 |
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他要設置充電樁沒有辦法設置臺電的供電供電不了來各位委員報告剛才委員提的那個中山、松山、內湖、蘭崗他因為那個臺電的那個要建一個松湖超高壓變電所現在建造已經拿到了齁那預計今年7月可以新建完成就可以解決剛才委員講的那些問題主要是變電站的問題那其他勒 |
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本席的巴黎其他各縣市你剛剛講的是台北嘛台北相對來講以本席出錢的推估因為人口數比較多嘛比較容易建設嘛那但是其他縣市呢你一萬兩千多台電動巴士難道只有在台北市嗎還是全台灣都要有 |
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我跟委員報告 原則上這個客運業者在提出這個申請的時候我們大概都會跟地方政府再來好 幫你說明一下跟委員報告 目前整個在受理要有電動車、公車、充電、利用站總共有84件那已經解決79件那5件現在正在進行施工市長 那回來了我覺得這一點喔不要聽美化的數字 說實在話 |
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你現在每年逐步成長增加剛剛也提到你現在到今年年底只有百分之以你的標準25%就已經讓所有業者都認為是說供電站沒有辦法好好的供應這25%了到往後的6年裡面你的成長是300%你要從25%成長到100%你的供電系統基礎建設有沒有辦法成長300%這才是關鍵 |
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所以本席今天提出來的問題在於是我們應該要協助交通部這邊應該要主動協助就是說客運業者跟我們的台電以及經濟部這邊來做一個商討哪邊應該要加強電網 |
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這一點才是重點吧是我想委員建議提示的很好這部分我們會跟經濟部共同來努力其實現在這個國道服務區有關那個充電裝電網就是用這樣的方式跟台電來預為規劃所以他們已經就這個高速公路服務區的電網以這樣的單位相關單位是誰來做主要的負責主要的負責公路總局嗎公路局嗎還是路政司 |
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交通部跟經濟部什麼時候要開會? |
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你讓本席知道一下吧我們一個月內來召開會議一個月內召開供電配置跟電動車協調的一個會議還是好 謝謝來最後那個主委剛剛運安會主委本席上一次您來的時候有特別跟您瞭解質詢過就是我們現在電動車來可以先請回抱歉我最後一分鐘就好 |
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主委本席那時候有跟您請教過就是有關於說我們電動車現在產生那麼多的事故你那個時候跟大家講的是預計明年5月調查報告出爐嗎現在會不會有提前的狀況大家都那麼關心今天我們又再一次的針對汽車自動駕駛系統進行專案報告你還是堅守你的調查事故要到明年5月才能出爐嗎 |
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我們6月份就有一個事實資料調查報告出來然後明年的6月嗎明年的6月就會全部報告出來因為我們現在有一個案子更晚喔不是啦本來是明年5月現在變明年6月啊不是我剛剛講錯了那個事實資料報告可不可以查清楚再講不然這樣大家會很錯愕來請 |
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來,我請指示這個數字兩個報告委員好,報告委員我們的那個事實資料報告我們會在今年的6月份我們會發布那明年的5月份我們會發布調查報告那雖然是明年5月份但是我們目前正在加速進行所以希望能夠看能不能在今年年底之前能夠盡速完成好,來,主委 |
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這個就是大家想要聽到的是社會大眾大家都關心的時候我們要積極的作為 |
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6月的時候會讓大家先知道是說我們電動車的一些事故發生的一個成因那希望能夠趕在今年年底能夠有最終調查結果是這樣嗎應該是這樣沒有錯那本席想要確認一下今天你有特別提到修訂重大公路運輸範圍事故範圍有朝降低啟動調查門檻跟擴大調查範圍的方向進行 |
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沒有錯你的思考方向是怎樣原來的重創事故調查範圍裡面它公路、水路、航空它是一體的沒有公路我們現在是講公路公路的部分我們本來是門檻是要4個人死亡我們現在把它降低3位以上死亡3位就可以調查然後它的範圍方便我們也可以用這裡面講的所謂的霸王條款只要 |
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所以那跟現行的法規有什麼不同?沒有不同 |
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那沒有不同,你在跟我們講說你要修改、啟動、降低調查門檻、擴大調查範圍然後又說沒有不同,你這樣是裝嚇我各位本席特別提出為什麼會特別問這一句就是因為現行法規是除了第一點事故重大死亡第二點發生爆炸以及相關的危害物品以及第三點 |
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財產重大影響重複發生或是情況特殊致影響公路運輸安全且經運安會認定有調查之必要就可以啟動調查換言之重複發生情況特殊影響公路運輸安全運安會認定就可以調查這就是現行法規的規範 |
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那電動車的這個事故從2016、2017年開始大家比較普及用電動車高速公路上一而再再三發生事故我們之前就調出數據嘛高速公路去年有一百多件快兩百件的這種電動車自駕而造成的狀況當然是不是最終都是因為自駕所發生的不一定但是至少已經有一兩百件每年那就是重複發生那就是影響公路安全那就是運安會認定可以調查就調查了 |
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所以根本不需要去修法才能說我來去做所以這一點本席要講的是做與不做其實現行法規就已經可以給你們全力去做這也是我們期待成立運安會的時候應該要做的事情不要再搪塞說我要再修訂好像現在不管你們的事要修訂之後那啟動修法 |
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還要多久?你說還要送委員會,委員會之後送交通部交通部之後送行政院,行政院之後再送來立法院,立法院再審查光修法又要再修一年兩年,這樣講對嗎?我們現行條文就可以啟動電動車,但是我們的修正是要把一些新興的運具也納進來,一道納進來那還有什麼?還有什麼比電動車現在自駕更嚴重的新興運具?電動車的部分我們已經 還有什麼? |
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還有一些新鮮的硬句還有什麼影響那麼範圍那麼廣然後新鮮硬句主委拜託我們今天好好講事情本席點出來荒謬之處是希望我們所有的行政人員好好的做不要做紙上文章我們真的能夠找出問題找出問題找出原因解決原因這才是國人想看到的可以嗎可以謝謝主委謝謝 |
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謝謝何孟楷委員最後請陳正前委員發言謝謝主席我想請一下陳彥博次長請次長 |
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市長好行政院曾經提出2030年客運車輛電動化推動計畫那剛剛你有回應就說在目標在2030年之前要推動11700輛電動巴士這數字沒有錯嗎?是沒有錯那同時在2030年的時候也提到了一個市區公車要全面電動化這也沒有錯對不對? |
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市區公車 |
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不包含旅遊業者的巴士不包含那這邊的時候因為我們這邊有同時提到了就在這個計畫裡面我們7年總共要補助就是450.84億補助購買車輛對不對然後另外就是整個營運補助192.43億 |
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那我想請教一下,到目前為止,我們現在補助出去的車輛總共有多少?我們現在補助出去的車輛到目前有1944輛1944輛嗎?那1944輛裡面有多少是補助到新竹市這邊來的?新竹市目前是籌備中的有10輛 |
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只有籌備中嘛 對不對就表示新竹市...所以說我要講的狀態就是說就新竹市的補助量其實顯然是少的那我們很需要新竹市是一個科技城我們很需要有更多的一個補助在這個地方那我們希望接下來新竹市這邊有提出來的所有的補助計畫的時候中央部這邊能夠給予多多的支持 |
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對於非市區公車的部分的一般旅遊的巴士的時候,我們有沒有自動化的一個推動的計畫? |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下剛剛就是說有氧車的部分因為目前相關電動的一個續航力的那個部分還有它的限制那所以這個部分的話我們也在滾動這個相關技術的一個這個發展那如果說它相關的續航力有到那個地方的話我們會這個來做一個這個推動那另外一個部分我也跟委員報告那個新生這個 |
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新增能源的部分那我們也在推動這個氫燃料電池這個氫的那個部分那可能未來遊覽車這個上山下海比較長旅程這個部分這個可能是一個解決方案但是這個技術也目前在在長旅程的部分的時候我們自動車也許還沒有那麼適合可是我們在整個先進駕駛輔助系統當中的時候也許是可以先 |
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公務總局現在每年的這個遊覽車的一個評鑑裡面就有包括配備先進系統納到這個評鑑項目裡面來 |
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臺灣總共有多少特斯拉? |
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我特別要問的是因為美國全國公共交通安全管理局就是近三年的調查報告指出特斯拉有關鍵性的安全缺陷那針對這個部分我們國內有沒有做一個相關的調查 |
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美國有開放全自動輔助駕駛,台灣有沒有開放? |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
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跟委員報告目前就是在沙盒裡面特定路段、特定時段、特定條件在做試運行 |
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沙盒的部分是屬於技術測試的部分 |
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那真正就是說要到這個就是說真正實際道路可以去開放這個自動駕駛的部分目前在技術上面都還有距離啊但是在我們報告裡面也說明那相關因應的法規調適我們現在已經開始在做準備了OK好以上謝謝委員好謝謝陳正前委員這個請黃國昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席是麻煩有請交通部的政事以及國家運安會的主委有請次長、主委黃偉昊委員長次長、主委好也許上一次質詢的主題我非常的納悶 |
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之前我說了台鐵莫名其妙去拿了幾千萬搞了行控4.0跟台鐵既有的系統根本不合連運安會都這樣講我看這幾千萬阿是打水漂阿沒有了啦沒有了啦台鐵雖然說要再評估一年兩年我打開天窗說兩話緩兵之際阿 |
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我在追查這個離譜事情的同時我發現台鐵拿了幾千萬給一家莫名其妙的公司叫李力來請上面看清楚我上次質詢已經講了我們給李力經濟部給他優良認證廠商理由是什麼他有去美國 |
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Jacksonville transportation去參加自駕車的系統臺灣廠商打入美國自駕車臺灣之光啊這個事情要大書特書啊但我後來直接跟美國聯絡人家說根本沒他的事啊他沒有參與啊Jacksonville Transportationportation的首爾提給我的答案是說跟這家廠商沒有關係啊我那時候想說天啊我們臺灣政府怎麼這麼好騙啊 |
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一個莫名其妙的廠商編了一個莫名其妙的理由我們的經濟部還發給他優良廠商發給他優良廠商就算了啊那只是虛名啊但拿到優良廠商以後來看一下除了騙台鐵行控4.0做了一個莫名其妙的沒有用的東西出來搞了幾千萬來 市長 |
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跟運安會主委一起看一下齁臺南自駕車系統臺南市政府給2360萬經濟部補助5200萬狀態中止補助拿完了然後呢來有人知道現在發生什麼事嗎有人知道發生什麼事嗎拿了快要7500多萬有人知道現在發生什麼事嗎 |
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市長知道嗎我不是很了解但是我了解他是應該是經濟部的沙盒的計畫裡面主委知道嗎你也不知道政府很有錢錢丟下去咚一聲幾千萬沒有感覺台中自駕車系統台中市政府給一千五經濟部給五千四百萬也很有錢啊 |
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結果呢 什麼都沒有啊來我具體請教一下市長啊你們目前的評估按照你們的規劃台灣的自駕車系統還要多久才會成熟 |
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我跟委員報告自駕車他其實剛才有特別提到他先會要在先沙盒裡面要去做試驗我了解前面講過都不要複述了需要多久接下來的話他其實還有一些我也了解需要多久請針對問題回答這目前我想無法評估要多久有賴這個整個車商大家共同五年有可能嗎十年有可能嗎 |
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都要努力啦都要努力嘛所以連10年都未必嘛好你們要接下來要發展自駕車啊老實說推動科技的發展讓人類的生活更好我基本上是支持的但我要拜託一下次長挑選廠商的時候啊找真正優良有時機的不要找這種政商關係良好的詐騙廠商啊 |
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李立系統在民進黨系統裡跟誰好?你們不知道嗎?不知道坐得到交通部這個位置嗎?市長李立的老闆認不認識?知不知道是民進黨哪個派系的?知不知道?不是了解 |
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不如這了解沒關係新的部長來我再問新的部長看他到底是了解還是不了解時間的關係我不要妨礙接下來委員質詢的時間雖然今天質詢的時間好像比較多但我還是要尊重其他的委員我只有一個原則要發展這件事情我都支持要找找有能力的廠商不是找這種政商關係良好的詐騙廠商可以嗎 |
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7514.902 |
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7517.004 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員那接著請徐欣穎委員發言徐欣穎委員發言完休息10分鐘 |
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7539.144 |
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7557.214 |
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謝謝主席本席請陳正次還有我們經濟部的連署長請次長、署長委員好次長好本席想要請教這個次長跟署長我們從108年到現在我們的無人自駕車相關的經費 |
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7597.086 |
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交通部跟經濟部分別投入多少交通部我手上的這些資料我可能要匯後提供再給委員所以都不知道這這麼多年來有關無人自駕因為今天請你們來報告我們就很想看那在交通部的這個報告裡有講到有補助然後有支援沙盒計畫但是都沒有講 |
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7624.051 |
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我跟委員報告一下在自駕的尤其是沙盒實驗裡面我們大概是補助這個路側的設施啦或車輛的OBU等等的那經費大概多少在ITS的計畫裡面啦對ITS對所以經費不敢講那經濟部來我們請經濟部一年差不多有1.5億在做研發部分那我是說這麼多年來你大概補助了多少嗯 |
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7628.535 |
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7654.685 |
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109到113年經濟部十幾億啊本席手上的資料我們一年有1.6億那個經費只要是廠商有來申請才有合併因為我們現在補助了六個案子應該差不多在一到兩億左右那我請教現在無人自駕在世界各國投入比我們更多的預算有成功嗎 |
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目前都還沒有都沒有成功而且本席手上的資料我就看到很多好像美國美國的Cruise無人計程車全國暫停營運因為發生太多的事故太多的問題那剛好本席也 |
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有看到剛好有到對岸看到他們這個小米汽車無人自駕區的整個實驗區我發現這個如果真的要做政府要很有決心而且要投入全力來支持包括我們交通部一直在進行的法規方面還有 |
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這個整個的測試那需要花費很大本席的立場是覺得我們台灣已經落後就是比人家起步慢而且落後還有我們真心想投入的決心也不夠所以 |
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我感覺我們投入的錢都像剛剛黃國昌委員說的打水漂不然我覺得你們就是做公關而已因為你真的要做你就要有決心就是要做成那你要投入的資源絕對不是像你現在這樣那你現在投入不多不少但實際上 |
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7764.3 |
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那個錢對我們來說我覺得已經很多可是你根本很難有成功的機會啊所以這一塊我看到過去第9屆第10屆也很多委員有提到說不希望投入太多所以你們的決策一定要明確那今天你 |
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這個根本不太可能你做得不上不下等於沒有做但是你浪費了多少公帑這個是本席今天質詢的重點好那再來因為我時間有限我接下來我們請署長回座我想請教次長 |
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市長,這個大海,或者是很強力的水柱對人是會有傷害的,但是一滴兩滴的水對人來說,大家都不擔心,一滴兩滴,但是卻有滴水穿石。 |
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好 這種事情那我要強調的是什麼我要強調的是你這個滴水它很小的力量可是它持續性它可以穿石所以本席要針對我們交通部隔音牆的部分 |
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現在很多地區需要隔音牆,你們設定80分貝,那本席就要強調的是,沒錯,如果是幾秒鐘,或者是甚至一分鐘、兩分鐘,你80分貝以上,對人產生很大的問題。 |
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但是長期呢對於很多的住戶長期他睡眠的時間所以本席要強調的為什麼我舉低水穿石就算他力道很沒有到達你的分貝數但是他continuous他長期持續不斷他就是一個傷害力我再舉一個例子我們肩上啊我們肩上背10公斤8公斤對我們來說沒什麼 |
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對不對但是如果要我背100公斤我大概我就骨折了可是我10公斤的我持續背一年都沒有停的話我身體就變形了 |
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所以我們人暴露在這種長期噪音之下雖然它只有70分貝70幾分貝你們要80分貝才能做隔音牆那其實對民眾造成非常大的問題所以今天本席在這裡諮詢是要請交通部這個部分你們要改變而且要重視再加上我相信大家知道現在社會變遷 |
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這種憂鬱症各方面還有大家對聲音的這種忍受度都變弱了對聲音的忍受度都變弱了所以今天因為時間短本席在這邊簡單的講但是我們希望交通部針對隔音牆你要幾分貝還有你要看地區狀況的情況 |
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我們要做改善那要來改善我們民眾這種長期被因為交通的這個聲音影響睡眠影響生活品質的問題這部分可不可以請部長可不可以未來我們來研擬我們來改善 |
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我們來跟環保署來討論一下因為相關的這種噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢噢 |
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本席最後一個議題就是說我們整個台61線西濱快速道路 |
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這個新竹鳳鼻道香山段只剩10公里一直還沒有高架我們交通部有沒有規劃應該要盡快補足這一段10公里他那邊塞車假日平時都塞得很厲害我相信你們也有掌握這個情況 |
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謝謝許新委員現在休息10分鐘 |
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發言人﹚ |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主席 |
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8255.1 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主席 |
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8477.693 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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8615.993 |
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法定人數不足 |
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8660.098 |
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現在繼續開會,我們請羅廷維委員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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好 謝主席 請幫我有請政次以及公共運輸林市長好 請次長跟市長 |
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市長你好市長今天我們主要的這個題目其實非常好這個電動車不管是大型的電巴以及我們現在所說的社區的充電樁因為都會影響到我想一併討論那雖然我是外委員會是教育文化但今天我對這個議題也非常的關注 |
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那我想先跟您請教一下您對這個我國電動大客車推動的一個狀況您目前知道剛剛執行區這麼多我們都在台底下聽喔你大概知道整個問題點困境在哪裡嗎 |
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8745.232 |
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我想整個來講應該還是相關的這個車輛的多元性可能要趕快讓客運業者有選擇因為他跟他們以前在買電大客車的這個營運的環境是不太一樣的所以我想我們如何來創造車輛的多元是未來的一個目標 |
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至於說車輛的本身因為我們有經過國產化或者是車輛安全法規它的性能上因為我們是有相當的一個把握我相信你們對這個一定有把握但是我覺得多元性讓他們能夠選擇還是必要的但是我想提到幾個點包括第一個我們在這個做公車您覺得就是所謂的通勤組通勤組最大宗的使用者大概是哪一類你知道嗎 |
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實用者變少,客運在每一分錢的成本營運就會非常計較 |
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那所以成本營運對他們來說不管是購入剛剛其實我們主席黃建華委員有提出購入這個電吧的成本支柱必獎因為他們在每一分每一塊錢他們都必須算得很清楚才可以了解到底會不會賺錢 |
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8838.221 |
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那再來缺工問題剛剛我有聽到有的人對於這個司機啊我們現在所說的希望能夠提高司機的相關權利以及他們的薪資你們有回答正在努力當中有去做一些培訓但我想培訓的數字啊並不是很滿意對吧您可以接受這個數字嗎我們還要再繼續努力到目前為止已經有1660幾位你的目標呢 |
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8842.063 |
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8845.825 |
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呃...應該我的了解是...1800人嗎?還是...您覺得這...不管是1600到1800,您覺得補上這1800全國缺工的問題就可以解除嗎? |
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8856.496 |
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8871.187 |
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整體性上還要來努力啦所以為什麼不管是一千六或是一千八的人員原額補上我們就可以解決我想是不行的那到底為什麼只能到一千八我們是不是應該討論一下這個方案是不是有問題 |
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8887.985 |
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那當然有其他的委員提出是不是有機會外國的司機來幫忙去做這樣子的一個工作提供當然這是有可能地方會有爭議大家可能會需要討論但是我覺得現在 |
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8888.525 |
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8905.734 |
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我們最第一線的民意代表就是接到民眾對於所謂的司機不足大量的減班然後現在我們說已經大量的減班了我們又還要再來推所謂的電動巴士全面汰換我覺得這部分是會有一些牽連當然 |
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8907.515 |
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8934.422 |
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當然現在近臨我們都希望能夠零碳排這個是我們的目標當然還有所謂的充電樁設置的一個問題充電樁設置你跟我講我記得剛剛有提到一個數字好像70幾個已經正在完成還有5站正在設置當中但是我個人還是覺得這個部分都是讓所有的目前電巴的業者很擔憂的一個問題就我也有收到一些 |
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8936.583 |
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8955.738 |
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客運的業者跟我們講電池阿他們預估可以使用8年現在呢用到3年就即將要汰換這些都是他們的營運成本我覺得這都很擔憂再來我想問您有掌握到我們現在社區充電樁目前的困境嗎電動車充電樁不是電吧喔是電動車社區充電樁 |
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8963.134 |
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8982.628 |
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跟委員報告目前整個這個充電樁的一個這個部設的部分大概經過部裡面這一兩年的一個部分的話在公共停車場還有私人停車場的部分其實數量是有相當那剛剛我們提到說社區的部分其實就是最後最後一裡這個社區這個自由停車場這個充電的一個這個課題 |
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8985.73 |
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9006.497 |
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委員會提出專法配套?這個部分的話就是了解內政部這個國土署已有提出那個公立大廈那個條例的修正草案目前好像是在這個行政院當中你們有跨部會討論過嗎?這個部分有參考你的意見嗎?這個我們會後面會配合這個行政院的一個審查我們會參與 |
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9007.717 |
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9032.054 |
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我想要推電動車利益良善我們都支持但我自己長期在跑地方我們都會去社區區權會每一次討論到所謂的社區要裝設充電裝都會有很大的問題要先經過管委會這一站政府又沒有去專法配套再來台電在設置上有一些些要排隊還有困境要排成很久然後再來呢又還有所謂的契約用電的問題 |
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9032.935 |
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9057.61 |
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公電的量的一個問題我想這些小型的充電樁都會反映出我們連這個社區型都沒辦法處理還想要處理大型電巴的問題這個都是整體聯動的我希望這部分我們提出的問題今天時間有限沒辦法把整個東西完善的去講出來但我想台中有所謂的四方電巴現在有所謂的退出我想你們都有掌握 |
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9072.96 |
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那到底為什麼其實大家都知道裡面的內容你應該去研究一下最後這裡面有提到有1900多輛1944輛所謂的電動大客車的補助對吧目前台中的補助是多少有掌握嗎 |
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9076.326 |
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9090.457 |
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目前台中已經投入營運中的這個電動大客車有357輛對我說申請還在申請的話這個申請的部分目前就是由台中市政府按照那個車領要汰換的部分每年提出相對的數量 |
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9091.678 |
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9091.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
謝謝委員指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9114.511 |
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9122.152 |
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好,新的盧田委員接下來請陳雪生陳雪生陳雪生委員不在接下來請游浩委員發言請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
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9155.285 |
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謝謝主席那請次長好我們請次長委員好次長好那本期在這裡還是也肯定交通部包括次長其實對許多國內的交通建設有許多的一個推動很盡心盡力那今天在520的賴總統的就職那我想要請教一些相關問題 |
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9180.257 |
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9195.456 |
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但是先回歸到剛才羅廷惠委員所關心到的這有關於充電站的這個部分那其實在許多的社區啊還有許多的就是尤其在都會區甚至在南投縣有許多密集這種住宅的這種公寓大廈那至於說如何能夠協助輔導 |
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9196.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
主席 |
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9226.417 |
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好 謝謝市長那接著就是因為像我剛才在上午一早從南投搭就是從台中大高鐵來的時候就在聽旁邊的就是一個民眾在講他原本以為說今天高鐵的車位都非常滿是想說是參加520就此才發現它居然不是那他們是要參加明天的一個抗爭活動 |
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9247.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9275.543 |
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他們是明天想要來這個立法院周遭來進行這個抗爭那本期在想啊就是其實我們在這個國會改革的這個部分本期就不特別為難你就不問你意見因為我們看到過去民進黨的委員其實在2012年2014年像林佳龍前立委那他那時候也是支持的這個國會改革的內容就跟我們大家國民黨跟民眾黨所提的內容一樣一致但是看到民進黨的委員啊這個就是著是驚飛啊 |
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9292.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
還在口是心非啊這道運會來這個就是左是心非口是心非還這個就讓大家感覺起來就覺得時光錯字一樣就覺得很奇怪為什麼他們講的話到現在都不算數了還覺得到時候在顛倒是非啊 |
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9310.753 |
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那結果到時候煽動著明天還在我們立院周遭要進行這個遊行抗爭來號召那本席想要就教一下部長對於這個明天在立院周遭在臺北市就有這個遊行想要針對這個國會改革的部分這個包括在新聞媒體您都有掌握到看到相關訊息嗎 |
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9314.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9331.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
呃明天明天要來的這個我我沒有掌握到沒有掌握到所以你知道明天大概會有多少人來包圍立法院嗎這個我不是很清楚那其實我還是要建議市長您要掌握清楚因為這個不是警政署的責任而已啊因為這個是整個包括台北市我們首都的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9332.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9351.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
交通安全跟維護及疏導的部分那本席還是要建議交通部也要確實掌握甚至有相關的一個疏導方案我們來跟台北市警察局瞭解一下好 那要進行瞭解因為我剛才有稍微跟聯絡人講說我會問您這一題但是沒有關係就來進行瞭解很難掌握對 這很難掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9351.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9374.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
但是這個交通的一個疏導配套這個還是請部長這個一定要清楚掌握因為其實在回到今天的這個自駕車那其實像特斯拉他們其實在一兩個人他們知道要停那他們看到幾個人他們知道要停那如果這個人多數字如果數據比較龐大的時候特斯拉這個自駕系統他不一定知道要停 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9375.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9401.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
所以說其實在我們臺北山路時都可能會遇到這種抗爭遊行的時候那這個自駕系統其實也跟今天的題目是相關尤其是交通疏導的部分好那我要接著再就是接著請教剛才曾政前委員也有問到補助補貼的這個大巴的部分那在南投縣那目前來講這個450.84億的補助南投縣的這個大客車申請的大概多少量 |
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9403.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9423.847 |
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這邊我跟委員報告一下因為這個是補助這個市區公車泰萬城這個電動大客車的部分那就所了解的部分的話目前這個南投縣是還沒有這個電動市區公車的部分那一來因為本身南投縣大概都是依賴這個公路總局的一般公路客運路線在做一個服務 |
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9425.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9427.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
本集就直接針對在這個南投線包括配合客運業者的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9440.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9464.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
那還是希望能夠積極的來協助只要行軍南投線的相關的車輛補助因為南投線確實的主要運輸還是在這個相關的巴士的部分那最後本席要在這裡來針對就是目前在考照駕照的部分有沒有針對這個自動駕駛的這個區塊還在考照駕照的時候有列到提供相關 |
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9466.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9466.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
主席 |
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9487.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9488.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
總共有121件交通事故,其中77件造車車輛是輔助駕駛系統。 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9507.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9507.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9530.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9546.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
為納入這個輔助駕駛系統相關的考題的一個知識的考的一種考題來未來希望能夠加速納入我相信這個對於有助於這個改善駕駛人在有這個駕駛車輛是輔助駕駛系統的時候能夠更為安全未來則請公路局把他納入考題裡面好 謝謝好 謝謝遊航委員接下來我們請魯明哲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9569.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9570.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
主席陳次長陳次長今天主題包括自駕和電動大巴的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9585.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9599.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那我想說剛剛很多的委員都已經提到尤其我們自動駕駛跟其實輔助駕駛本身分成6個等級自駕分成6個等級那我想說請教一下因為你們從109年在整個做 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9602.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9611.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們自動小客車使用狀況的統計報告的時候所致納入有輔助駕駛系統的數字也做了統計所以我們看到109年我們的自動小客車當時統計有11.9%裡面有載有輔助駕駛系統不管它有沒有用到111年兩年之後也變成18%成長了將近6%現在是113年統計表出來沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9630.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9630.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
統計處調查中 |
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9651.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9674.703 |
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才有輔駕系統甚至宣稱自駕到幾級的會越來越多這是沒有辦法這我們要必須面對的問題對不對所以剛剛大家在問那我現在覺得政府應該多做一些事情怎麼說呢因為我們看看就台灣不是國外有人在高速公路駕駛在那邊睡覺也被抓到了睡著了 |
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9675.143 |
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9691.321 |
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那還好搞不好他也沒發生事情那到底做什麼現在很多人在忙其他的事情因為他開啟了所謂他自己以為自動駕駛的輔助駕駛系統那這種情況之下到底什麼原因呢因為他們在買車的時候比如說以T牌來講 |
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9692.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9692.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
自動駕駛系統與電動大客車之產業前景 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9715.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9726.389 |
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幫你在某很多情況之下避免發生碰撞也能夠自動緊急煞車那我覺得你們在這個方面的在廣告的方面有沒有做什麼樣的一個建議或者處理 |
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9728.296 |
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9745.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
跟委員報告一下你提的這兩個就是我們現在關注的一個這個重點第一個部分就是車主使用手車一定要這個展明這個是駕駛這個輔助系統不是自動駕駛系統第一個部分就是有關於業態在銷售的時候必須要這個訓練這個相關這個車輛銷售人員要給車主正確的一個 |
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9750.703 |
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9755.247 |
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現在的情況是越來越多的品牌會進來越來越多的品牌會進來可能現在主要是這兩排越來越多的品牌大家在市場競爭下面什麼的要 |
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9776.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9777.288 |
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一到五級一清二楚我是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9806.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9826.497 |
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如果你們有能力因為運輸安全調查委員會也在這裡嘛這車子進來的時候他就假設到一級、二級現在可能到進台灣的自駕標準到三級的都不見得有那這種你們在法規上面要不要做一個很簡單的揭露或者標示讓一般的民眾大家畢竟買車的 |
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9827.678 |
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9841.871 |
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哪是專家啊我們也看不懂啊所以我覺得你們可不可以朝這個方向做一個考慮很簡單的揭露讓民眾這個部分能夠看到那細節請他去翻閱他自己的手冊這個可以往這個方向來做嗎 |
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9843.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9860.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
我們來研議我現在最擔心的是我們速度實在太慢了因為4月28號就上個月上個月南韓的監理機關南韓對於踢牌的因為 |
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9863.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9883.984 |
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廣告不實啊他的廣告不實啊所以罰了220萬美金啊錢還沒有交不知道啦可是政府的態度已經出來了因為他虛假廣告所以他監管軍官罰了美金220萬這是第一個南韓上個月做的事那在德國呢前一陣子德國法院 |
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9885.017 |
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9906.007 |
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已經判決要求他們修改自駕的用語所以我覺得政府當然你要等法院判決我覺得太不積極了尤其我們今年你統計出來你就知道我們輔助駕駛雖然我們不知道他到底用不用啦但我覺得我們政府的責任要做到我覺得速度要快人家都已經進入罰款了 |
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9907.868 |
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9928.781 |
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進入一些裁決的全世界包括美國本地資產的他們集體的告訴有贏的在很多州他們也贏了我覺得能不能全世界我們每次都講我們要站在世界的前端我們現在其實站在後面也來不及了能不能拜託我們行政方面先做一些事情好不好 |
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9930.817 |
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9955.272 |
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最後剛剛委員有說過剛剛是講全部的一個包括我們的一般公路跟高速公路我看高速公路因為車速都非常快所以單單把高速公路高速公路它載有輔助駕駛出車位的比例在112年我們總事故102次在高速公路上面然後它載有 |
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9956.532 |
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委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9981.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
明年5月希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9997.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
10012.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
現在因為太多的一個自動駕駛甚至輔駕系統有撞到我們的高速公路緩撞車這種情況其實蠻多的所以你們要進入調查我覺得正面的肯定了那不過我是比較擔心在硬體方面 |
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10013.231 |
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10040.216 |
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感知器到底是不是這個OK或者硬體迴路他到底情況如何我覺得在硬體方面我知道啦應該會有這樣的人才比較多因為這種東西已經其實蠻久的可是軟體方面你們AI的模型演算法你們要怎麼樣去看因為這個其實蠻恐怖的因為我覺得這個可能是車禍的最重要的關鍵你說譬如說在歐美他們的機車很少 |
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10041.176 |
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10058.184 |
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他們的很奇怪的東西電車假設也很少在這種下面他們的AI模型他的演算法出來的在台灣我覺得既然運安會你出面你這種專業的考量人才我不知道人才有沒有點個頭來要的運安會所以你要委外一下 |
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10062.813 |
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10067.394 |
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你現在軟體AI模型跟遠戰法你要對外招募人才是不是狀況怎麼樣你說一下 |
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10106.445 |
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其他五個類似的電動車我們就一直在收集收集完之後我們會做分析那剛剛委員提示的這個AI軟體這個確實是一個方向我們朝這個方向來訓練我們不是你一定要有懂的人才甚至團隊我覺得是這樣有些那種非常專業的一個團隊 |
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10108.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
10124.186 |
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有些部分開毀壞你還是要毀壞講真的你內部假設找不到這些人才你在某個專業不是要整個丟給別人報告人家故事幫你寫出來當然不行嘛運安會你不能這樣你們因為是一個非常有公信力的單位但是有某些專業的一個領域我覺得 |
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10126.269 |
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10150.07 |
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你們現在要找人才等到人才成熟可用三年五年之後大概因應不起所以我建議你在專業的領域如果你剛才已經說其實這個人才比較缺的部分我們是希望你能夠加快速度有些專業部分領域是不是委外要畢竟盡快能夠達到我們要的調查的一個甚至建議的一個目標這樣子可不可以朝這個方向 |
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10151.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
委員會主席 |
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10165.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
10185.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
謝謝謝偉 |
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10188.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
10216.776 |
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好,謝謝盧秉哲委員那登記質詢的委員都發言完畢那做以下決定報告以及詢答完畢那委員陳素月、徐富奎、林俊憲、蔡其昌、邱若驊、林倩琦、林國成、何新淳、李坤澤、許智傑幾位委員所提的書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報那委員在質詢中要求提供的相關書面資料跟未及答覆的部分請交通部 |
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10217.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10222.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
運安會以及經濟部競速以書面來答覆本日議程處理完畢 散會 |
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10241.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10249.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
響鐘 |
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10262.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10279.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
委員會主席 |
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10291.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10292.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
本集完 |