| IVOD_ID |
159265 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159265 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T11:54:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T12:04:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fba829f38d305be2aafc70f51a359b58cfb6aeebfddff728efb8c40d3938d270f35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:57 - 12:04:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 主席有請工程會陳主委好 陳主委委員長主委好 |
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主委本席看到工程會有主要任務其中有加速公共建設的執行還有提升國家競爭力所以國家的發展關鍵是往往取決於公共工程建設的規劃還有執行那我們快速的回顧到1974年到1979年顧總統 |
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金國先生他當時推動了十大建設那同時也奠定了台灣經濟奇蹟的基石那從交通能源到重工業然後全方位的提升產業的競爭力那在1979年的時候成立新竹的科學園區也是台灣半導體 |
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產業崛起的關鍵是台灣站上全球科技供應鏈的重要位置那由此可見公共工程它不僅影響當下的經濟發展長遠來看更決定了國家未來的競爭力還有人民的生活品質那主委關於這一點您認同嗎 |
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完全認同委員的高見就是公共建設它除了經濟發展的基礎之外也是火車頭因為公共建設來帶動相關的發展繁榮或者是就業等等這是非常重要的我們過去幾年前瞻計畫或者是重大計畫 |
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過去幾年是公共建設投入很多包括剛才你所提的金國先生早期的十大建設如果沒有那些十大建設帶動整個基礎的話一步一步奠基起來台灣不會有今天所以公共建設是非常重要的主委您提到過去幾年我們來看頭影片 |
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那從投影片這三個表格的數據我們可以看到過去六年來公共工程的流費標比例都維持在70%以上甚至有個別的工程它的流費標高達14次那此外呢 那它的流費標金額越高那它的 不好意思 採購金額越高它的流費標比例也越高主委您能說明為什麼這個流費標的比例過高 |
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我想大概有幾個原因第一個就是當然就缺工缺料或者是物價然後如果同時間公共建設很多那當然這個能夠做的工人也好或是營造公司也好他就會去選擇所以就會預算成本就會增加您不好意思我這邊先中斷您的那個 |
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好那您也有提到說因為缺工缺料那其中缺料的問題特別嚴重這也是全球經濟變化跟全球經濟它的環境變化有密切的關係那我們看到目前全球運輸成本持續上升那加上美國川普政府他的關稅政策那未來的物價恐上漲20%那主委您有掌握到嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為物價的這個小組我並不是召集行政院層級的在召集這個相關的物價好那沒關係那本席要進就是我們最近有幾個公共工程成本大幅提升的案例都顯示他是缺工然後還有缺料然後以及行政流程的拖延對公共建設經費的影響甚至那我們先來看到桃園鐵路地下化 |
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2020年9月的時候行政院核定經費是1048億那受到營建市長缺工缺料的因素影響他必須來修正計畫那國發會他審議後經費增加了769.08億那總經費高達1817億那原本他2030年完工那現在確定了會延至2033年他的進度也落後了他原本 |
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預定的進度是42%那現在實際的進度它只有32%那我們再看到另外一個案例捷運三陰線延伸到八德2019年11月的時候行政院它核定可行性評估當時的計劃經費是116.41億元到了2024年6月11日的時候國發會核定增加43.59億總經費增加160億那目前已送院核定還在核定中 |
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那我們再來看到花東花東快速道路2016年當時的可行性評估他估計興建的費用是819.6億那2025年最新可行性評他的可行性報告他總經費上升了3610 |
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市議員暴增了兩千億那有這些案例我們可以發現漫長的行政流程還有工刑拖延造成進度落後那成本也不斷的上升主委那我們要怎麼因應跟委員報告以台灣鐵路地下化而言事實上他是有經過幾次的修正包括原來是高架 |
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然後後來改成地下化地下化過程呢有些佔還有調整就是有修正這個修正計畫有一點時間所以呢自然而然供期延長那物價就上漲所以一直飆升 |
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那這一部分呢我們希望在中央機關能夠做的情況之下就整個縮短審議的流程尤其是原來就已經有計畫了主委您身為工程會主委很清楚嗎在公共建設在中規過後那還有需要還有經過設計的階段然後再來才能進入正式發包動工 |
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那如果這些程序他一直延宕的話一定會影響工期 也會造成成本上升那本期要跟您討論的是捷運的三陰線我們可以看到2015年捷運三陰線他2015年6月2號中規核定在2016年7月21日正式開工他的行政流程的歷史是415天那如今的三陰線 |
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今年年底會完工那明明營運然而山陰縣延伸至八德他從2024年9月20日已經報請行政院核定本席也多次向行政院卓榮泰院長還有我們的陳士凱部長反映希望行政院能夠來進促核定已經178天了卻沒有任何進展也毫無音訊本席要請問主委您認為這樣的行政效率合理嗎 |
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這個三陰縣是不是在國安會還是已經國安會審定了如果三陰縣的話我們工程會會寫審啦,我們沒有審過 |
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我們還沒有審到了不過現在我們的確有一些困難這個困難我舉一個例子比方說我們去年對有些建設或地方的已經補助已經核定了困難是需要大家一起共同來去克服的是什麼樣的困難就是比方說已經核定了核定地方那地方有可能就編列預算準備要花但是臨時現在整個現在是卡在行政院 |
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就是沒錢啦就是沒錢就是未來的錢到底能夠動之多少已經那麼多的 主要像您可能沒有掌握到目前不是因為經費的問題 |
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有核定的也會受影響 不只這個山陰縣有很多重大建設 還沒核定目前的進度是還沒核定好 我們會同意來 如果送到公司來您是工程會的主委 同時也是行政院的政務委員本身希望您也可以以政務委員的身份來向院長 |
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來反映加速三陰線的核定進度那巴德我們當地的居民也巴德居民桃園的市民也非常期待捷運同時趕上當地的交通問題那這也是賴清德總統桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的一環那主委您願意 |
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來向行政院院長反映嗎我們會主動來瞭解相關審議單位包括交通部包括國安會我們願意能夠全力來協助讓他進度快一點讓他進度快一點OK好謝謝主委主委最後剛剛有很多委員提到金指甲有提到刪除媒體費的部分那本席這邊也要再提是因為我們不希望經費都只是集中在特定的媒體希望主委您能夠瞭解 |
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我們那個220萬只辦一件事情就是金子獎的紀錄跟頒獎沒有其他媒體宣傳因為剛剛委員提到的是因為媒體宣傳費的關係就是我們因為編在媒體宣傳隊事實上我們那筆錢220萬只做一件事情就是金子獎去查核嘛會紀錄那他得獎之後這個紀錄這個工程怎麼樣或者是一些職人就是做這個那些表揚 |
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坐在這些揭露並沒有做其他OK好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝邱若驊委員 |