IVOD_ID |
159223 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159223 |
日期 |
2025-03-17 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
3 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-17T10:29:23+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-17T10:40:06+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:10:43 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb8003eeaca27f006fad7e46c29134393cce1d26ba49c773cd142f2a7614d0e9965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
委員發言時間 |
10:29:23 - 10:40:06 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、教育部、經濟部、台灣電力公司、台灣中油公司就「氣象變異致國內空品惡化,精進預報與跨部會應變作為」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】) |
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好 我們有請我們部長 黃部長請部長邱委員好 部長好我看了我們環境部的書面報告注意到2月27號西半部品質我們的空瓶持續惡化那環境部曾經成立中央第二級空氣污染防治指揮中心並召集我們地方環保局等單位召開應變會議 |
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而且協調經濟部台電公司進行協和邁遼台中興達電廠降載減排那降載總共降載了11億3199萬度的電量 對嗎對 |
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那我想請問部長去年一年曾經成立第二級或者是第一級防治指揮中心有幾次沒有 因為大概三年已經沒有三年多沒有成立這個也就是說去今年才發生 |
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這麼汙染這麼這麼大以前是以前是怎麼樣以前是我們的機器不好還是怎麼樣沒有沒有就是剛好這次的事件比較嚴重那另外一個呢是我們AQI有沒有查一下什麼原因會造成這個這個主要是那天還是一個氣象因素因為吹東風然後整個西半部的整個整個那個我們最主要是為AQI加鹽我們所以加鹽讓我們其實AQI很容易達到這個不良等級那第二個是那天是氣象因素吹東風 |
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所以多久 這三年來就沒有成立過沒有沒有 大概三年多所以我們也很慎重的來成立這個應變中心那我們台灣企業用電需求越來越高如果是成立空氣污染防治指揮中心的時候降載用電的需求產生衝突的時候是聽你的還是要聽經濟部的 |
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我們是一起協同作業啦協同作業當然我們不能讓所有的全台灣都不要用電所以我們還是會要協同作業互相協調來完成這個事情我請經濟部的代表來一下好不好國營署 副市長還有產化署 營運署你好 |
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前年我國那個火電發電佔比是82%那核能發電佔佔6.3%嘛對吧那現在我們準備核能要歸零那我想請問一下這部分的電力未來要用哪一種電來補 |
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因為我們的那個能源轉型就是大概是減煤增氣,斬綠跟非核就是核能電廠接觸之後我們就是用這個我們的這個增加我們天然氣的發電然後增加再生能源的發電然後減少這個燃煤的發電目標是這樣子然後占比大概是燃氣是50%燃煤30%再生能源20% |
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你說燃氣是50 50 58然後呢然後藍莓30藍莓30對那什麼時候你藍莓還要一直用啊還有你準備火力發電還是要繼續要火力發電其實包括那個藍莓跟燃氣都是火力發電對我的意思說你這兩個加起來就幾%了80對將近80%你認為這個不需要改嗎 |
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這個部分就是說增加了天然氣是因為可以減少CO2的排放大概是以這個 但是造成的那個汙染呢天然氣的汙染是比較沒有這麼嚴重那所以 我看天然氣的那個CO2的那個那個IPC 比藍莓減少很多對啊 它是差得這樣一個820然後一個是490對吧 這兩個還是算是高的啊 |
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我們認為這些一直長期在使用這個狀態的時候我們對我們的國人的健康不會受到影響嗎我們當然是希望能夠盡量減少這個污染的排放包括CO2排放因為它轉成碳排放也是荼毒人民的肺我覺得是這樣那我請問那個電力公司台電你們一度電買一度電就賠一度 |
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合適賠了兩千多億也還掛在帳上嘛對不對不敢銷帳目前你們都沒有專業堅持我們讓我們執政黨隨便這樣宰割那我想請問一下現在是要漲電價是嗎目前還沒有現在電價審議委員會還沒有召開還沒有召開我是聽到那這個部分要推給立法院來扛這個責任 |
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報告委員沒有我們是尊重3月份的電價審議委員會來決定所以我覺得啦你們該有的這個專業的這個判斷我覺得你們還是要提出來該講話的時候還是要講話這個才對你的專業來負責嘛對不對是好那我們請回那我請教部長我看到你們要成立空氣品質監測與預報中心 |
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是這樣嗎對對對那我想說我想請問一下那剛剛講的我們剛剛我們剛剛有講到我們有成立第二級的這個空氣污染防治指揮中心那跟這個東西這個現在你要成立的這個中心有沒有有沒有不一樣的地方 |
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因為我們過去的空氣品質的監測跟預報都在我們監製師來做那因為我們要強化AI的運用所以我們把監製師改名叫做環境科技與資訊師他強化AI數位治理的應用所以這個不是在增加一個部門不是不是我們把它移過來移到大氣師裡面因為大氣師要負責應變那應變呢從監測預報到應變把它整合起來就是單位換名稱就對了 |
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我們單位換名稱然後整合人力所以並沒有說額外增加新的預算或人力所以要成立這個是因為我們自己在專業務上的考量對 業務的考量不是什麼氣候變遷委員會開會的時候決定不是不是不是啦對對對那我想請問一下那做了這個之後檢測中心之後如果現在空氣品質超標 |
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然後呢然後這個中心他現在從上游的監測到預報到最後他們大氣勢的應變都會再統合一個單位來處理 |
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等於他就有跨部會的一個功能現在已經有了但是我們希望他的這個功能性還有人員的這個培訓可以更好讓他大一點點一起協同注意超標之後我們要怎麼辦超標之後例如說好假設有二級就由我們司長來召集我們環境部還有各個縣市環保局一起來做那如果一級很嚴重的就是有環境部跟邀集各個部會一起來做這個 |
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那有沒有計算過這個成本我們這個經費要花多少錢這個都在我們原有的預算並沒有增加然後我想重點空氣污染最大的來源當然就是發電不然你也不會叫台電來降載對不對 |
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那我想目前看到的我們看到民進黨執政快要十年了能源政策是民進黨政府始終不敢面對的問題拿著廢核的神主牌搖擺不定這個到後來我覺得對台灣來講是非常傷害非常的大你長期的使用火力發電或者這個火力發電造成了我們老百姓的健康影響是非常大的我覺得部長你應該要 |
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儘早來解決這樣的一個問題我不敢講說你一定要把這個核能恢復那但是至少要找到一個更好的變通方法當然也不是無條件的一直用這個綠能來替代這個電您認同嗎 |
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包委員其實我也坦承說我們剛剛有一個圖表說我們的污染源來源裡面這種固定污染源譬如說電力排放失業其實我們的移動源已經超過固定源了所以其實這個也是交通也是我們一個努力的目標那剛剛委員提到的能源政策其實包含燃氣跟燃煤它的燃氣的雖然有排放二氧化碳但是比燃煤少很多所以其實二氧化碳其實它並不會對人體造成直接的影響而且它的空污量會減化 |
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那我們現在如果要發展綠能或是新的能源在這個之前氣還是一個必要的一個轉圜那當然這個部分要多久目前如果以我們在規劃這個淨零的路徑來看的話當然是希望說在2030年例如說燃氣50之後慢慢慢慢的往下降那這個降的話2050年它會更好可能只剩下20%左右當然會是更好的 |
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還要那麼久啊 你們這個還要二三十年欸對 這個氣因為氣開始蓋它用它就要二十多年的一個時間所以當然但是報告委員其實氣大多數是國家它在面對轉型的時候是一個過渡型的一個能源因為我們現在的再生能源並沒有那麼快那麼順利的能夠可以起來所以你們覺得還是覺得說現在廢核是對的啊 |
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我沒有說是對但是委員我在當時算淨零入境的時候其實也發現到核能如果要真的啟動的話面臨到法令要修然後還要幫安全檢查核廢料的處理還有研議也要一些費用所以其實這個都是我無法無法去預期預知的所以你有考慮過同步來做這件事情 |
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目前以我的專業來看我當然要經濟部或是河安會來處理但是以我的專業來看的話的確是非常的困難在台灣有一點挑戰但是我覺得你那個時間點拉太長我們國人健康非常重要絕對不能拖 |
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對但是委員這個如果說將核能如果非核家園這個如果要研議的話核二加核三就是300億度的電跟我們目前未來國家需要的電力恐怕我還是覺得部長您發揮你的專業該爭取的時候就要爭取好不好好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝邱委員謝謝部長 |