| IVOD_ID |
15920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15920 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-16T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-16T11:36:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:04:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db30a6515091f25b866c0396a52a6677963be8d109af184be4091df1bd41728b435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員黃仁等18人擬具「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「離島建設條例第三條、第七條及第七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「離島建設條例第五條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「離島建設條例第十條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員蔡易餘等21人擬具「離島建設條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
【5月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:16 - 11:36:00 |
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案。」案。 |
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案。」案。 |
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案。」案。 |
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案。」案。 |
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案：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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一、本院委員黃仁等18人擬具 |
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案。」二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第三條、第七條及第七條之一條文修正草案案。」三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第五條條文修正草案案。」四、本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具、「離島建設條例第十條條文修正草案案。」五、本院委員蔡玉儀等21人擬具、「離島建設條例第十一條之一條文修正草案案。」宣讀完畢。 |
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現在我們請 |
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現在我們請國發會高副主委請就委員提案版本說明 |
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案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文修正草案、第十條及十條之一條文 |
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1873.639 |
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實施以來,本條例的主管機關在中央市行政院。那行政院自92年起,其實已經陸續核定了總共六期的離島綜合建設實施方案。 |
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然後本會也是會同相關機關進行十二項的修法的工作然後務實回應離島地區的居民的需求然後我想以下我僅針對委員所提的這個修正條文重整說明如下我想條文的第三條是界定的離島重要重大的建設投資計畫 |
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那委員建議把離島的重大建設投資計畫由現行經期中央機關認定的然後希望改為由中央目的事業主管機關政策上輔導的建設還有縣市綜合開發及離島建核實施計畫所列的計畫都可以列為重大建設投資計畫 |
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1937.517 |
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案、第七條及第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、 |
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1951.601 |
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1969.8 |
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案 提出出審,經由中央目的使館機關依照這個審核標準來審定,行政院會用國家整體資源瑞士配置的考量來核定,所以我們覺得不宜以中央目的事業主管機關 |
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1971.421 |
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1991.692 |
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還有一些建設計畫來作為核定。」那第二個就是有關於偵掠縣市政府認定離島重大建設投資計畫這部分因為其實離島建設、重大建設投資計畫通常會涉及中央目的不同的中央目的事業主管機關的權責而且依據本條例第七條規定 |
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1993.233 |
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2012.928 |
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經合訂的重大建設計劃,它的都市計劃的主要計劃,還有非都的使用變更,是由縣市政府來合訂。」那基本上有點就是認定也是縣市政府,結果再來合訂那些也是縣市政府,所以我們就這一條我們也是有些保留的意見。 |
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2035.303 |
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第二條就修正條文第五條有關於修正這個建設類別那基本上其實委員建議把消防跟殯葬設施才明列在這個條文裡面那事實上其實我們現在離島政府所提的一些消防跟殯葬設施其實都已經有納入在離島綜合實施計畫 |
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案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、 |
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2079.885 |
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條文第七條有關於擴大重大建設投資計畫的合併的範疇。」那就是他這七條事實上是跟第三條做一下呼應就是呢離島重大建設投資計畫他希望有分為中央跟地方的層級然後也爭議排除國家公園的限制那有關於由中央目的事業主管機關他經由離島建設計畫 |
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2082.668 |
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2086.792 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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2122.136 |
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那有關於離島重要建設計畫的核定不受國家公園法的限制呢?其實我們尊重內政部的意見,那內政部是認為說基本上國家公園法裡面目前是由該部辦理劃設而且報警席捲院核定所以其實恐怕也沒有辦法授權縣市政府來核定 |
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2123.216 |
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2149.836 |
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有關於針頁條文第七之一條的這些辦理度式計畫的擴大或通盤檢討的開發時程,我想我們尊重主管部會內政部的意見。第五個是修正條文第十條要減徵營業事業所的稅,公用事業至國外進口的貨物及勞務免徵營業稅或關稅。我們基本上尊重 |
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2172.064 |
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稅的主管機關財政部的意見。」adequations to the Department of Finance, the Department of Finance, and the Ministry of Finance.到第七頁有關於修正條文第十條,離島免稅購物店則於臺灣本島兩地通行港口設置提貨區,考量臺灣本島往返離島的通行港口設置提貨區有助於增加離島 |
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案。」案。 |
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2191.508 |
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2210.679 |
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案、第七條有關於修正條文第十三條徵頁55歲以上原住民的離島避孕建保會由中央編業指引,那基本上這個權責是屬於衛福部跟原住民委員會,那我們基本上尊重目的事業主管機關的意見。那以上報告。好謝謝。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2238.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們現在有提案委員在現場我們首先請議事院會交付的我們請黃仁委員做提案說明謝謝主席 |
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2255.464 |
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有關於這個離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案那本席再做一個說明那一、為維護離島居民之生命安全及身體健康行政院因編列預算補助在離島開業之醫療機構 |
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2258.766 |
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2261.509 |
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為副理機構、長照機構及其他醫事機構該離島地區所缺乏之專科醫師並訂定特別獎勵及輔導辦法。」 |
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2275.202 |
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2301.864 |
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：原離島建設條例第十三條僅規範六十五歲以上身份之離島地區居民、全民健康保險對象應自付自保險費,由中央政府編列預算之應。第三,有建議原住民平均移民與全國國人平均移民有些差距, |
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2302.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2324.999 |
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且憲法徵修條文第十條規定國家對原住民衛生、醫療應益保障、輔助並促其發展原住民主基本法第二十條第三項規定政府應積極辦理原住民社會福利事項 |
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第四、緩提案徵修離島條例第十三條將離島居民五十五歲以上原住民長者納入應支付全民健康保險之保險費由中央政府編列預算之應。第五、另以 |
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2371.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
應由離島緊急送往臺灣本島就醫之際重診之病人及陪同之醫護人員及往返交通費用由中央目的事業主管機關補助之以及對於有接受長期照顧服務必要之身心障礙者及老人中央目的的事業主管機關應編列經費補助 |
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2374.432 |
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2394.421 |
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第六為維護離島老人尊嚴及健康中央目的事業主管機關應提供老人每兩年一次比照公務人員健康檢查項目之體檢以老人福利法由直轄市縣市主管縣市主管機關 |
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2425.67 |
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當年提供之老人健康檢查之差額由中央目的事業主管機關編列預算來補助。第七,在此建議朝野各位立法委能支持本席之提案以落實政府照顧原住民主之精神而不是淪為口號。謝謝大家。好 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請提案委員陳玉珍委員做三個提案一起說明謝謝謝謝主席謝謝主席今天特別排審有關我們金門澎湖馬祖這個離島建設相關的這個離島建設條例的分析所提出來的這個 |
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2466.03 |
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整體來說離島建設條例從民國108年4月26日修訂第十條之後契機已經超過五年沒有做任何的修訂然後行政院自從民國104年 |
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2467.751 |
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2486.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
提案徵修第九之三條以後已經超過十年沒有做任何徵修條文的提案這當中並不是沒有人提出來不管是金門、馬祖鵬還有其他離島鄉的這個立委提出來的各項離島建設條例的修法都被今天在場的主管的這個國發會一一的打回票 |
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本期還記得上個月18號在內政委會審查地方制度法本期提案你增加制定離島基本法的法源依據時,國發會的書面報告這樣寫他說因應離島地區居民需要,過往離島建設條例陸續已辦理 |
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十二次修法工作未來離島地區特殊發展可以適時辦理修訂以充實完備對離島地區發展的扶持及對離島居民的照顧。」國會醫師都說沒有必要訂這個離島計劃只要適時的修正這個離島建設條例即可但是這麼多年來不管金門、馬祖鵬或是其他離島縣的立委所提出來的這修法草案我看國會沒有同意的也沒有提出行政院版的 |
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2545.827 |
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建議只是一昧的抗拒地方的民意,這個對離島的相信事實上非常不公平。本期今天所提出的這些修法都不是本期個人的意見,事實上是離島金馬鵬三縣市綜合開過會議後所提出來的綜合的意見,是三個縣市政府綜合提出來的意見,也開過,三個縣市政府曾經開過離島這個縣市的會議,是綜合提出來,並不是本期個人提出的意見。我要強調的是, |
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2556.673 |
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今天國發會 |
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第一不支持制定離島基本法,第二又對離島建設條例的修法在否決。」那我真的很想請問這個離島這個主管機關就是我們國發會有沒有真心的在為離島的發展做思考其實本期針對這個離島建設條例還有許多的提案還會一一的在送進來包括最近金門的我想請問國發會知道最近金門縣會有提相關的這個 |
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2611.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
條例第十三條條文修法的建議或相關的建議。」我等一下問一下國會,到底你們知道離島基民在想什麼?最近金門的縣議員在提自由貿易港區醫藥特區營業稅、零稅率、土地增益、重大民生物資進口免營業稅。到時候本縣還會再一一的提出來喔。 |
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2634.163 |
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所以今天的提案說明重點本期說明如下第一個將消防及建設及完善殯葬設施列入這個離島綜合建設實施方案的這個內容國安會剛剛說這些本來就已經列入實施計畫當中不需要修正本期要強調的是當不明文規定時這些項目就會變成是非必要的項目案子要不要通過呢都還要來看我們審查委員的臉色 |
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2637.204 |
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案 並且擬具 |
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2671.228 |
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在地需求提出這個綜合發展計畫及重建計畫裡頭的這個權利,這個主要是因為目前離島建設計畫裡頭的重大建設投資計畫都要是中央主管機關認定的重要產業投資或是交由民間機構辦理公共建設計畫,但是我要說的是 |
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2687.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
案 中央對地方的需求有時候不大辛苦而且我發現在場的許多我真的想知道這個國發會裡頭在場許多做決定的、做決策的人到底有多少人真正去過金門或者真正住過金門在那裡真正了解我們當地這個民眾的這個需求有時候你們從臺灣本島的觀點來看金門來看我們這些離島的縣市事實上是從我不好意思說就是從天元農國的觀點來看我們的離島縣市事實上你們對我們的發展 |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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2742.956 |
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這個部分是因為在全台灣各個縣市所有的民生用的東西比如說水這是屬於國家應該做的但是在金門這是我們金門縣自己花錢的我們自己花錢還要跟財政部來借錢借錢還有經濟部我們還要還利息然後經濟部後面再電補給我們我們地方政府幫中央政府出錢 |
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2753.146 |
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2754.307 |
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案 ﹚立法院第十三條條文修正草案﹚ |
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2769.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2774.885 |
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事由：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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2793.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2808.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我們今天要求有更好的政策或者是給我們鬆綁但中央政府在今天我看到國發會剛剛的很多回答都還是說這個不適合那個不適合我想這個是非常的不能體恤這個離島縣市這個民情我想今天的這個各位同仁 |
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2809.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2809.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
案。」案。 |
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2840.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2844.318 |
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接下來我們請提案委員蔡易瑜委員請做提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2856.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2882.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
謝謝主席那本期就離島建設條例第十條之一來做提案修正提案的一個說明那我們這一條的提案主要是因為現在離島的一個觀光是非常的發展不管是澎湖金門或者是媽祖那大家會到離島觀光除了本身離島有很豐富的天然資源以及很漂亮的一個海港的一個景觀之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2882.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2896.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
案、在離島我們也開放他們可以去購買免稅的商品。那很多去離島觀光的免稅商品,他們在那邊買完後,他們可能還要再搭交通船或是搭飛機,那就是必須要把免稅平。 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2899.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2902.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2924.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2939.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
案、其消費之後他可以透過在臺灣本島對應的商港然後來做這個提貨區的提貨那就是未來我們本島的人到離島旅遊然後去購買美穗商品之後那可以在 |
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2940.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2943.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2963.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2976.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
修正是對離島有利,那對本島到離島旅遊的這些官方的客群也是有利,所以我希望大家可以共同來支持我這樣的一個提案,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2982.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2999.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那接下來我們剛剛給委員會報告我們剛剛國發會的副主委高副主委已經就提案的委員版本來做出報告那我們現在有經濟部財政部交通部原住民委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3000.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3024.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
以及衛生福利部的順利報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報。」那本日議程我們討論的事項合併來做詢答委員詢答前依照慣例主席台做幾項的宣告每位委員發言時間本委員會的委員6分鐘必要時加1分那非本委員會4分鐘上午10點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3026.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3032.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
結旨發言登記,我們現在首先請登記第一位的陳婷菲委員請做詮答。我們請高副主委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3060.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3086.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
委員好副主委我想我在這個4月22號我有我們經濟委員會到台南跟我們一些工業區跟產業園區的一些廠商還有理事長去做了一些座談那其實在這當中目前最重要的一個問題就是缺工對不對沒錯沒錯那這怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3088.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3105.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
案 人力短缺跟人才短缺其實在過去幾年一直都是不僅是台灣而且是各國面對的一些課題那對於缺工的問題當然我們希望還是第一個就是國內這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3107.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3114.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3135.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3135.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
一、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3162.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3188.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們雖然現在看到護國神山但是並不是半陶體我們就可以維持我們台灣經濟的成長我們靠的是很多的傳產那面臨我們傳產現在有那麼多我們的一些產業界提出這樣的一個需求絕對不是只有我們開放所謂的中級我們的外籍移工進來而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3189.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3189.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3214.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3233.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
你會不會有這樣的覺得?接不上來。其實跟委員報告,就是說我們會裡面其實有一個跨部會的人才跟人力的協調溝通平台,那中間包括了教育部、勞動部、 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3237.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3238.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
事由：審查：立法院第11屆第12期經濟委員會第13期經濟委員會第14期經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3251.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3251.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3281.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3301.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
案,表示這兩三年開了十幾次的會議還是沒有辦法到位。我跟委員報告就是說其實教育部在過去其實已經在全省設了12個區域產學合作的中心那這個區域產學合作的中心裡面事實上就是媒介 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3302.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3303.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3330.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3330.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
案﹚一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3352.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3378.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
現在問題是我們有平台然後也有在做這些跨部會的整合也有在做這個開會那為什麼沒有辦法到位這才是問題點呢那所有的產業每一次我們下鄉去了解的時候帶著我們部會下去大家的反應就是沒人沒有人才人力短缺我們找不到工 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3380.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3405.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這就是事實啊,然後他們明明訂單很多,不敢接,因為接的訂單沒有用。」委員其實這個所謂的那個傳產能力短缺,某個程度上是一個結構性的問題啦,跟我們的一些少子化,然後我們產業的那個人力需求的這些分布,就是比如說有一些高科技可能磁吸了某些人才, |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3406.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3409.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3422.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3422.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
案 〔廣告〕 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3443.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3470.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這個轉型之大然後還有智慧化的轉型就是智能化式、全自動化式這些轉型我們都必須面對整個國際情勢的演變跟競爭力這些人才有更多所以我可以跟那個委員報告就是說我們在那個平台裡面其實在過去幾年其實有做了一些突破框架式的一些做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
3471.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3492.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
案、包括到國外攬財給獎學金、然後在區域設立12個區域這個產學合作中心等等的其實還有我們有一些就是我們我們那個半導體啊學院那個特別條例的這個提出其實我們真的就是面對這種嚴峻的人才跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3493.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3497.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具〈離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案〉案〈離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案〉案〈離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案〉案〉 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3521.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3526.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
案﹚立法院第11屆第12屆第13條文修正草案﹚立法院第12屆第13條文修正草案﹚立法院第14屆第15條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3540.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3548.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 «離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3556.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3577.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
他永遠就是一個平台的一個主控者所以當這個平台在進行的當中跨部會協商永遠就是由我們國發會來做主導來做協助然後當我們這個所謂的一個效率跟整個機制沒有出來大家動不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3577.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3598.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
事由我拜託我要這兩三年來我們這個平台到底開了幾次會我們做了哪些決定我們做了哪些協助我們跟產業有什麼樣的接軌我們給他什麼樣的一個期待我們這12個點做了哪些人才的一些挹注 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3599.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3601.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這才是重要,我要這些資料。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3630.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3630.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
3651.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3678.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我先問一個今天的離島建設條例裡面有談到幾個其中當然有些部分是當然是比較離島一些立委們希望也能夠爭取一些更大的空間那有些涉及到的稅損的問題有些涉及到了健保的一些支付的這些問題那還有一部分跟國發有相關的是涉及到的主管權責特別是重大的這個建設投資計畫的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
3679.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3690.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
這個部分如果照委員們通過的話會有產生什麼樣的影響?好,現在我們離島的重大建設投資計畫裡面基本上就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
3692.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3713.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
案 現在現有的程序就是由縣市政府提出來經目的施壓主管機關依重大建設投資企劃的那個審核的這個合定的標準然後來合定以後會送這個行政院來合定那其實為什麼要有一個叫做重大的建設投資下合定標準呢因為這個標準裡面會規範一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
3716.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3744.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
例如最小投資額、土地開發、總量管制、環評、開發限制區等等的。我覺得這個都必須要做一些相關的規範。而且最重要的是說,這個重大建設投資計畫一旦經過核定以後,事實上我們目前的都市計畫及非都土地變更就完全授權給地方縣市政府來核定的。所以現行這些程序上都是可以走的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
3745.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3749.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
案 、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
3771.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3799.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
案件,這會影響到整個很多的這個相關的一些包括條件的放寬甚至有些的這個各種的狀況都會可能發生這反而對國家在控管這些重大的建設計畫的時候都會出問題那如果這樣過的話那其他的縣市有沒有可能也參考比照那如果這樣比照的話等於是這個幾乎等同中央地方包括重大的這些的這個分際整個就會失去了是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
3800.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3824.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
所以我看到這個法案當然我能理解就是離島立委們的爭取的那個也許我們待會在主條的時候可以來做一些討論不過也希望這個持續的多溝通就是說他們所擔憂的應該是地方政府的案子能不能送上來但是如果這個他只要能夠送上來有機會被認定為重大就有機會來的話那就不一定要用修的方式來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
3825.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3854.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
基本上其實我們都是完全尊重縣市政府送上來的提案那中央目的事業主管機關他只是就他的權責做一個review然後再來提到行政院來核定那我剛才有報告說為什麼需要做review因為我們可能要去有一些不宜開發的或是有涉及到環保的這些相關的這些東西其實就國家目的事業主管機關他主管的權責他還是要進行負責啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
3855.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3867.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
另外第十七條的部分有些未符合的這個他希望做一些減徵未符合免徵的營業稅的條件希望你都做減徵如果照這個通過會有多少的稅損的問題我們請財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
3874.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3894.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我們是初估大概是有6000多萬,最多可以到1.7億元,從以往徵收的情形來判斷。所以會有這樣的稅損的問題。財政部也是持...這部分我們是不建議用這樣的方式來處理。為什麼?因為它,我覺得提案是說對於這個未符合營業稅減免規定的營業人, |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
3897.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3916.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
來給予營利事業所得稅的減徵。這個減徵會造成第一個他在離島地區的營業人就產生營利事業所得稅不公平的現象另外一個就是他會造成跟本島的營利事業也變成營利事業所得稅課徵不公平的情形那我們因為營利事業所得稅是我們的國稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
3917.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3936.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
案件,目前在整個稅收當中,有10%是要給地方統籌分配的。這樣子會產生一個現象,就會變成說這邊減徵只有針對這些特定的營業人減徵,但是這些特定營業人減徵的稅收是來自哪裡?是來自我們整個中央政府的稅收還有各地方政府的稅收。 |
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變成減少他們的稅收來填補這部分特定營業人的這個這個這個租稅優惠其實這是不公平也不符合中立性的所以我們是不建議用這樣的方式來處理好 了解 那也許我們在主條的時候再來跟委員們做一些溝通是 因為時間有限 那接下來我還是要問一下國發會其實有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
國發會有一些其實我認為很重要的包括現在我們的新生兒的人口數字持續在降低從2018年18到17、16、15那2022年到13已經破不到14萬了那這個大概也是台灣的一個很重要的危機那之前其實大家就一直在要求國發會作為政府的大腦應該去思考這件事情的處理副主委要不要講一下國發會這幾年有做了哪些的一些政策的建議跟努力 |
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案,當然就是人口是整個這個國家這個戰略裡面非常重要的部分可是就這些少子化的這些對策的這個計畫其實在行政院裡面是由林萬一政委在做統籌那幕僚單位是衛福部那其實我想委員也知道其實政府做了很多尤其是預算已經每年已經編到破1000億元了然後 |
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其實也做了一些蠻多的一些預額的減輕預額負擔的一些措施那當然也不可諱言就是說不是我知道政府很努力但是從結論來看其實成效所以包括連日本韓國也都 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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4056.698 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4087.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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反映在整個薪資的成長上面我們來看跟臺灣跟美國日本韓國相比的時候我們經濟產業這幾年都很不錯都比這些國家好但是我們在受雇人員的報酬的分配比例上面美國日本都有達到五成以上那韓國都還比我們略高但是我們的其實顯然就是我們在對於獲利的時候他的這個分配到了受雇人員的部分其實是不夠的 |
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我認為這個部分國家也用政策的高度上要去做更多的一個調控讓更多企業的獲利的部分能夠回到讓薪資的調升不然這個恐怕都會是台灣一樣遇到很重要的問題就是人民的他感覺到就是說好像這個所有的經濟狀況很好可是為什麼好像薪資上沒有感覺 |
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特別是在更多的一些比較基層的人員他的感受特別深刻那或者是在產業別幾乎產業別裡面看起來幾乎是在這些的半導體產業鏈電子資通訊的產業等等的部分的產業狀況當然相當的好但是那個相對的波動感就會強烈他對一般的這些的部分有些就相對低你看有些甚至於跟這個韓國比的話我們都其實都偏低的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
所以我認為這個政府要去整體思考這樣才能夠去讓國家的這個好的經濟狀況均衡的分配下去而且不是在有這個相對的差別的感非常強烈我認為這個也是國發會應該要去努力的好不好我們期待新的國發會高副主委也繼續留任我也希望未來在這邊大家一起努力讓台灣在這幾個問題上面得到好的解決好不好好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4232.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
接下來我們請謝依鳳委員請做詢談。謝謝主席。我想要請高副主委跟林次長。我們請以上兩位。 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
我想請問一下就是說現在我們其實在所謂的資料中心三大資料中心好像都即將要在台灣來設立那我們知道說AI其實因為最近的發展使得資料中心變成一個高耗能的設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
4261.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4284.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
有可能說對於我們的就是說未來可能AI中心設立以後我看到相關的報導說到有可能會用掉就是將近37億度的電那佔我們太陽能光電的總發電量的50%那到底因為畢竟我們的綠電目前到底是不是充足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
4285.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4301.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
以及未來如果資料中心的生成的時候那大家也提到像國際主要的國家都希望這個就是資料中心能夠使用綠電的情況下那未來台灣對於相關的規劃是如何? |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4319.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
謝謝委員我想剛剛你提到那個資料中心耗電的狀況跟AI的一個這個關聯性我想主要是AI主要是生成式的AI在做基本的這個學習運算的時候會耗很多電但是我們現在說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4355.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4383.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
4410.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4429.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
將來各個產業都會應用到AI的技術去提升它整個的產業發展模式跟它的整個的生產力。所以呢其實AI對台灣用電的影響的這一塊呢其實我覺得可能必須要考慮的就是我們在那個應該就是在 |
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4431.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4434.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4453.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4455.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4468.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4492.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我剛剛提到部分說是113年我們將近413億度的這個綠電那未來我們在這個太陽光電跟離岸風電事實上每年都有很明確的這個發展的一個這個目標比如說我們這個離岸風力的一個發展每年都會將近1.5個GW的一個這樣的量設置進去我想這個部分會來滿足我們現在優先需要這個綠電的這些產業的需求 |
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4494.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4515.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那準經濟部長郭志輝他說就是核能是乾淨能源那你們怎麼看我想核能是乾淨在全球上應該是很明確的一個這個發展的一個趨勢那未來是不是有可能用到核電如果要全面性的降低發電成本的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們對任何的能源都是多元化而且是持續的關注不過核電在台灣它有幾個關鍵的問題必須解決一個是核能安全是能夠完全確保另外一個部分就是核廢料是不是可以做適當的處理當然社會共識非常重要這幾個關鍵的前提如果能夠有適當的處理當然可以去持續關注這樣的一個發展 |
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| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那對於這樣的部分,那行政院會提出相關的修法嗎?我想我們應該是要先做這個評估分析,再會去做後續的一個討論吧。我想這個過程應該是這樣嚴謹的來做處理會比較好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我請問一下高福那個像你們在講的就是說生成式的AI那生成式的AI未來如果就是說就是像這些軟體的發展在產生的時候有可能會在資料收集的時候會用到就是原創的這個版權或者是相關的著作權那這個部分未來怎麼界定以及你們國發會是不是已經做好相關的就是修法的那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
4621.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
案。」 跟那個委員報告就是說因為我們要因應那個深層次AI的那個出現其實我們在行政院裡面有一個跨部會的AI小組那法制小組那之前是由羅秉成羅政委跟我們本會主委還有還有那個那個國科會主委共同聲那所以這個AI小組裡面他有針對法制面比如說基本法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
4625.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
案 及第十三條條文修正草案 案 及第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4644.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
還有一個就是就是如果深層市的AI沒有經過就是內容沒有經過監管或者控制的時候有可能會危害就是社會的穩定跟政權例如說像美國前總統川普跟被捕就是現在在網路上有出現的照片就是用AI做成的就是他川普被捕或者是普丁入獄這樣子的情況那有可能會影響到總統大選 |
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4673.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4694.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
那像這樣子的情況,未來怎麼樣子因應呢?有關於這個就是打詐、假訊息這一部分其實因為這也是深層式AI的一部分對,這部分也會在那個小組裡面由各組織相關的部會,它會提出一些因應的做法這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
4694.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
4719.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
那你們現在進行的情況是如何?我們已經開過兩次的高層的會議然後因為這個平台裡面下面還有工作小組那工作小組是組的單位就是國科會那國科會他就是說他基本法要統籌各相關部會針對AI對他們的這些包括剛才委員講到的這個就是假的那些訊息會影響選舉的對他們都會有在處理這個課題這樣子好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
4751.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
案 。接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做詢答。請這個國畫會的副主委。我們再請高副主委。今天交通部是代表什麼人來?我們交通部。盧副市長是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
4760.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4778.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
委員黃高副還有這個副市長早安早那個布袋港要設置免稅品的這個提貨區這個國發會應該是贊成的嘛對不對我們每次熱箭齊城你們要要積極啦那特別要這個交通部是因為我剛才看你們的這個說明裡面說到你說這個要設這個提貨區啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
4804.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
他的理科服務中心的民國110年的五月十六號已經正式啟用然後你說離島建設條例第十條之一修正通過之後你們行警局要找財政部去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
談論相關硬體及軟體設施。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
4824.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
4851.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
報告委員,這個部分最主要是牽涉到業者他們的意願。那我們當初在設定新的旅運中心成立的時候,其實就已經有把相關的區域已經規劃好了。那就看他們多少時間需要進駐的時間,然後我們會跟這個相關的比如說關務署這邊來協調他們的軟硬體的設備跟動線怎麼安排。現在時程就是說修法嘛對不對。修法看起來委員會這邊很快通過就到院會了啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
4851.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
4862.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我現在問你就是,院會通過之後你大概需要多少時間?你的流程你剛剛講了嘛,對不對?你都有步驟了嘛,對不對?是。那大概你預計大概要多久?修法完之後大概多久?布袋槓可以看到這個免稅區的這個提供區?我幫你來,幫你來,稍微站起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
4867.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
4892.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
這還是要牽涉到那個業者的意願他們因為我們理解說因為目前的離島免稅店其實有兩家嘛那他們從他們的進駐然後再到這個相關的人員的配置還有整個動線然後他要申請相關的一個這個許可這個程序上可能現在目前我們在硬體面我們可以很快準備好但是軟體的流程面這一部分可能還需要多一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
4893.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
4893.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
4924.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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4940.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
4967.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
延伸完之後北門車站又接了全台灣唯一的高山鐵路就是阿里山的鐵道7月1號全線通車了你看這個多漂亮一條線從泰埔高鐵站到北門車站北門車站已經是嘉義市非常有名的觀光區了現在又拉上去阿里山這條線太漂亮了然後剛剛我們在講布袋港布袋港就是這個泰堡這邊旁邊一點點就是我們的故宮南院 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十 |
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所以請交通部跟這個國發會要幫忙要促成這件事情好不好當然下個月下個月嘉義市政府就會把這個評估報告送到交通部跟行政院請國發會跟這個交通部可以支持好不好當然這裡面可能牽扯到很多經費的問題我們會盡量去爭取請大家要支持這個案子好謝謝那那個交通部先請回好了我們請這個經濟部次長來林次長那請經濟部次長高富你先留著高富你先留著來來 |
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委員好,我們來看一下金門的金水。金水2013年開始,它從廈門飲水,它花了多少錢?15億的工程款,一年的利率高達數千萬,已經造成金門縣政府財政非常非常大的一個負擔了。這事情應該 |
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經濟部有討論過,他們現在嚴重到什麼程度?對現庫是很大的負擔,對金門人是一個很大的負擔。他們現在只能去跟土銀、跟永豐銀借錢,然後人家一直在催債啊,一直在催債。可是對金門引進的鹽水一天用掉多少?兩萬五千噸,用水是非常重要的。有沒有可能我們今天,欸副總,我們今天討論離島的這個建設基金,有沒有可能離島建設基金前而去補助金水? |
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案。 |
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案 後的話,這部分在行政院決定是不能夠來納入這個差額補貼的一個狀況這樣子。現在有兩個問題,我先問你,先看下一張。我們不是在講不要一國兩制嗎?像我住在嘉義,嘉義也沒有嘉義水啊。住在基隆也沒有基隆水,台北也沒有台北水,都是台水對不對?為什麼金水他們自己蓋一個飲水工程? |
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自己就要去花15億,叫兩個解決方案喔,叫兩個解決方案,欸聽我講聽我講,兩個解決方案嘛,把精水納到台水裡面去, |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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案 完成之後沒有辦法資本化那這個在條例的規定裡面就不能夠來補助這個差異是在這邊目前我們從這個80如果我沒有記錯的話從八十九八十 |
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2013年開始,對89年到112年我們已經補助了46億46.4億的那個差額補助給精水公司2013年開始15億的工程款你補助多少? |
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這個部分我請我們那個水利署跟委員報告,是大陸飲水的工程費的部分,飲水工程費是中央來支持的,13億,那剛剛委員主席報告,13億的85%,也就大概10億多。15億補是85%,補這個13億。對。 |
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案件,其中一人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案件,其中一人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 |
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案 並沒有說他後面他不用編列預算方式他是用去借款的方式所以他那個借款的利息部分那其實在院這邊都討論過了也就是在他在建設那時候的利息部分這個部分我們有差價補貼OK但是他資本化之後呢也就在營運之後正式營水之後那個部分是屬於營運的營運的那個部分就沒有辦法去 |
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案 、第十三條條文修正草案 、第十三條條文修正草案 |
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條例第十三條條文修正草案 |
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主要是說台水公司目前本身也是虧損相當大是借款那我們想台水現在現階段重要的推動工作是把它的營運做到更好那基本上如果說進來是會使台水的這個營運做得更好當然我們樂觀其成 |
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但是現在台水公司是一個這個嚴重虧損的情形底下這樣進來是沒有辦法這個發揮更好的一個效率可是你就講一國兩制啊對不對事實上根本沒辦法沒有一國兩制啊該補助的我們一定會去補助啦對來來來那所以今天我們要幫他爭取這是 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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他只要每年的營運虧損符合相關規定都可以來申請,而且我們都用最快的速度來做相關的補助。好謝謝接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做詢答 |
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主席、各位委員,有請國發會、副主委、還有園民會、衛福部,兩位請上台。先請教衛福部還有園民會,離島建設條例第十三條, |
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現行條文規定是65歲以上離島第七居民前面健康保險對象為因自付之保險費由中央政府編列預算支應。」這個實施很多年了。那這個衛福部的報告 |
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當中也提到,因為現行的條文是寫由中央政府編列預算,那衛福部的報告裡面,早期是由行政院,後來就由離島基金,行政院合併離島基金,103年起由衛福部編列預算,沒有錯吧? |
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這個到你的報告裡面有提到年齡、平均移民、殺妓、手小這些。如果我們看國民年金法,他是55歲。軍公、公教人員的退休之前輔系原住民是55歲。 |
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案 ﹚立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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很重要的條文就是原住民族基本法這個24條還有26條這個都很好好我們現在看國發會的報告裡面他希望本會尊重目的事業主管機關這個衛生福利部及原住民族委員會特別提到原住民族委員會因為今天的修正 |
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條文有提到原住民要降低五十五歲。」我們看這個,這個,這個,原民會定的補助原住民全民健康保險費十四要點,這個是 |
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你們的要點當然是87年所定的這個衛福部使用的哪一年好像有點落差事實上是87年定的這個要點但是要跟大家衛福部聯名會了解因為我過去是在台灣省政府服務全民健保一開始之後 |
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這個規定,陳政府那時候的原住民行政級就開始了。只不過後來精神就由中央來定。我們看這個要點。所以,人民會這邊當然不是你管的業務了。怎麼會派你來?應該是那個社會福利處。這個藍瑜,我們就講藍瑜。 |
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案：審查：事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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事實上目前65歲以上的現行條文都是由衛福部來編列預算如果加上大家如果各位委員都能夠支持年滿55歲即原住民身份的話那就有中央目的事業主管機關也就是說這個原住民的部分就由衛福部來編列這個其他的就由衛福部來編列 |
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如果這樣子規定,這個要沒有使用?可以嗎?處長。當然這個政策方向我們原則上就尊重委員的提案,但是就是這樣的文字是不是很精確的可以反映就是委員剛才的意思,可能還要再確認一下,因為這樣寫好像還有一些模糊的空間。好,那個衛福部。 |
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謝謝委員那衛福部這邊還是要做個說明就是說剛剛委員有講過說我們的書面報告裡面其實從102年通過65歲以上我想大家都可以看到那個數字是非常清楚的在102年的時候補助的話只有花了1.2億 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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那你意思說你們的政策也要改嗎?衛福部主管的、其他的?很多啊,長照啊、腳鴨啊,也要改嗎?先不談這個啦,好不好?你那邊都沒有改啊,對不對?抱歉,跟委員說明一下,事實上在我們的國民年金法裡面也是有大院所通過的條文裡面也是要逐年做檢討,那這個部分原民會也在做檢討。你回去跟部長,新的部長報告啦,部長要換了吧?如果你要改, |
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他不會同意啦那個副主委是這樣的修正因為畢竟這個法律的主管機關是你是可以嗎 |
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5824.583 |
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基本上這個55歲以上的原住民免納這個保險費除了經費的來源之外其實還會有涉及到整個全民健保制度在那個會不會有其他的跟全民健保制度沒有關係了 |
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5843.596 |
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案,以及前面建保的制度,誰要來誰負擔這個費用而已啊?會有一些,比如說區域,因為我們現在是特別就離島地區,那有沒有其他的援引等等的效果,我覺得可能要尊重衛福部的意見,然後衛福部因為現在520 |
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案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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5857.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
5883.278 |
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我現在的要修正動議是要由園民會所以不是要由我用離島建設我們尊重衛福部的意見衛福部沒有意見我們國發會尊重最後離島建設條例第十六條什麼時候公布施行的?89年嘛對不對?這個300億什麼時候開始的? |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
5885.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
案 。 |
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5922.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
所以這個部分都是要去檢討的89年了到現在然後沒有錢了還在300億這個條文已經形同稀釋了所以應該修啊修得更好更完整來因應整個離島第七實際的需要好不好好謝謝好謝謝好 |
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案 行政部門,因為我們今天的條文總共有七條,在詢答當中會討論出有一些方向出來,我也建議待會我們在實質條文討論的時候,你們聽到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
案：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第13條條文修正草案：立法院第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16會期經濟委員會第17會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會第18會期經濟委員會 |
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5973.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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6000.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
6000.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
6046.169 |
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副主委你好副主委你好副主委您是事務官是所以520之後您還會繼續吧應該會繼續是OK這樣很好這樣子我們在520之前的最後一次委員會質詢的時候就會更有意義是來我們今天因為在討論離島建設條例相關的部分那講到離島建設條例我們就不免要講到離島建設基金 |
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那離島建設基金我覺得連年虧損短促保管運用似乎有些失當依據離島建設條例第十六條規定為加速離島建設要設置離島建設基金那基金總額不得低於台幣300億元由中央政府從民國90年到99年分10年割入這應該沒有錯那我會看到從那個 |
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一、本院委員 |
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案 及第十四條條文修正草案 案 及第十七條條文修正草案 案 及第十八條條文修正草案 案 及第十八條條文修正草案 |
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基本上就是因為那個條例就是有十年就是因為從八九十年開始是八九十年開始它撥補了三百億那其實我們每一年的大概離島建設基金大概都的投資大概是八九億到十億不相上下那所以它經過時間的經過以後它到基金就會用完了我想問一下像這樣的那個非營業基金的時候不是正常應該有永續經營的方式是會比較妥適嗎 |
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案 。 |
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案 當立法院第11屆第11屆第12條條文修正草案案 案 |
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案。」案。 |
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案、禁門除外。」我們後來也發現這些離島受補助的電動機車他們應該在離島使用可是有相當的一個量它是在非他們的區域被發現了像我們這邊簡單講禁門大概有超過16輛都在台灣 |
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案 被查到交通違規的狀態,再來是被查到交通違規的狀態,那這個部分是表示我們在使用這樣的基金當中的時候,後續的管理其實有欠周延。是,我們的確有發現這樣的情況,所以我們目前就是在把這些車輛其實在做一些全數追回這個補助的當中,就是我們在追查當中。 |
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案 。您520之後還會繼續留任,所以我要特別去講一件事情,這3月25號我特別質詢了一個就是我們 |
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國發會去投資國發基金投資的趙遠這個案子。結果你們給我的一個回應當中其實我本來上次質詢的時候我本來還講說你們可能是碰到詐騙集團了結果你們的回應給我之後我真的覺得你們可能不是碰到詐騙集團而是因為你們可能是里外呼應你知道為什麼 |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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公告 。」 |
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結果本來要讓你們有兩席董事進去的都沒有進去你們就先被減資了被減資了之後呢然後你們才開始擔任他們的董事擔任他們的董事之後呢你們再一次被減資 |
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再次減至50.05百分比那整個的虧損一億多那這麼高比例的一個狀態的時候呢你們回應我的狀況 |
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我沒有辦法理解 |
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就職,包括108年1月31日,108年4月30日, |
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通過投資兩億零四百九十六萬元這三個時間點都在一百零八年五月九號之前所以你們如果真的要進兆元的時候你們都有時間去要求 |
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你們的董事應該要進去這家公司怎麼會用這樣子的答案來回應我所以我本來覺得可能你們還是被騙了你們的回答方式讓我覺得是你們是裡應外合欸副主委可不可以回答一下報告委員因為我不督導國發基金那我們國發基金的副執密在這邊我可以請他回應可以 |
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委員提到的就是我們在5月20號參與投資兆圓公司。因為剛剛委員提到往前推40天的部分在5月初,但是因為我們5月20號才實際撥款投資,所以正式成為兆圓公司的股東。 |
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拜託你們又不是第一次在投資公司你們要投資公司之前要把條件都講好啊所以我講了三個時間點你們108年1月30號就開始評估符合國家產業發展的方向所以你們不是5月20號才開始進去欸你們之前都不用評估嗎?評估當中的時候沒有條件設置嗎?你們這樣在管理這樣的基金我覺得其實是非常的有問題的 |
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然後在之後你們在回答我說你們在還沒有當董事之前的時候你們有向他們要相關的財務業務相關資料你們覺得這樣就已經達到你們的責任是這樣子嗎?然後董事進去之後的時候又發生減資的一個狀態你們回答我的狀態是說國發基金有請公司要加強財務規劃 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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6558.696 |
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案：立法院第十四條條文修正草案：立法院第十四條條文修正草案 |
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6572.204 |
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案 。 |
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6601.377 |
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6616.512 |
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好謝謝接下來我們請呂一林委員請做詢答謝謝主席請高副主委我們再請高副主委 |
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6622.745 |
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6648.735 |
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委員黃副主委今天你們共組委去參加了陳建仁的內閣的行政院的最後一場的這個院會下個禮拜他就會成為行政院的秘書長也作為我們行政團隊跟產業之間的溝通橋樑跟整個統合協調各幕僚單位這個外界都帶抱著很大期待他接下來的表現但是國發會 |
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6669.154 |
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在這個四年的時間協助了蔡英文總統在規劃2050年的近鄰轉型的這個政策。副主委即將上任的這個經濟部的這個總部長我們郭智輝部長他對於核電的一些說法您知道嗎? |
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他表示說,核電若是要研議必須要經過全民的認同。同時他也坦言說,這個未來的新能源這個會作為半導體產業缺電的一個解方。所以請問副主委。 |
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這是不是透露出下一個我們的新政府對於能源政策有這個調整的空間而且你支持這個新的經濟部長的說法跟支持嗎? |
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6725.291 |
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報告委員,我想新的內閣對於能源政策應該會有一個更創新而且更明確的一個做法,因為的確啦,就是因為我們現在其實隨著AI產業﹖所以對於能源政策有調整的空間嗎?這個說法你支持嗎? |
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我應該就是我覺得人員政策應該都是要滾動調整的所以要調整我本席為什麼會這樣子說就是在國發會2022年的3月帶著所有的相關部會正式的公布了台灣2050年 |
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案 與整個政策的總說明希望2050年的能源配比可以達到再生能源在60%到70%氫氣的話9%到12%火力的話20%到27%水力發電是1%的這個願景可以降低了整個台灣二氧化碳的排放而且在2025年 |
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案 中期的能源整個政策的目標才會達成,但是現在我們的配比20%的綠電都還沒完成一半,所以是有調整的空間對不對? |
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6783.493 |
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案 。 |
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6811.866 |
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6813.988 |
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案 及第十三條條文修正草案 案 及第十三條條文修正草案 |
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6836.144 |
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6851.072 |
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案、五條條文修正草案、五條條是火力發電的燃煤發電是百分之三十再生能源是百分之二十這樣子的再生能源我們看到的就是說2025年要來達成目標這個是很難的結果我們的主委說2026年可以達成那整個綠電的這個目標都一直相當大的落後所以這個等於是跳票了那所以我們來講說這個八成的火力發電這個國發會是主要我們 |
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6868.902 |
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國發會認為說整個發電是主要的電力來源所以我們認為說天然氣跟煤炭我們都是向國外來購買所以進口的成本會相當高會受到國際的情勢所干擾所以才導致台電財損會越來越大 |
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這也就是台電的財損惡化才會造成這個基礎設施才會越來越沒有辦法到位才是停電缺電最大問題會頻頻的這個來發生這是最重要的問題所以本席在這邊也希望說我們整個能源政策這能源的情勢是環環相扣的台電他如果是賠錢的話供電就一定會不穩 |
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6922.701 |
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案、第七條及第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、第八條之一條文修正草案、 |
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6941.133 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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6964.906 |
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事由：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案案 案 |
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6971.849 |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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7014.152 |
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四、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十 |
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7023.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7024.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
條例第十三條條文修正草案 |
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7055.462 |
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案 ：審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案 ：審查：立法院第14次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第14次全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7074.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
就是要整個臺灣都是要太陽能板才鋪設才有辦法做到這非常不實際所以本席在這邊要邀請你們可以像比照臺灣可以比照芬蘭在這個庭藝的合一廠跟這個封存的核四廠的原子來建置第三代的這個壓水反應爐跟新型的這個核電廠它的安全係數跟它的發電這個效率 |
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7094.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7096.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
可以大大的提升而渴望可以抑制這個電價對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7099.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7099.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
案﹚立法院第十三條條文修正草案﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7133.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7135.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
謝謝。接下來我們請邱志偉委員請做詢答。我們再請高副主委。 |
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7169.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7187.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
陳委員長缺貨人問題很嚴重其他鄰國包括日本跟韓國他們都充分利用中高齡的就業人口你看我們中高齡的勞參率比起南韓、新加坡、日本是差很多特別是65歲以上 |
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7188.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7210.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
案 只有9.2,南韓已經高了我們的4倍,新加坡是我們接近4倍,日本也是我們的大概3倍多。那我們怎麼樣去,現在65歲以上,大家體力各方面的條件都還不錯,對不對?他們也有意願,只是說這個誘因不夠。 |
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7211.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7215.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7222.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7248.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
我同意那個委員的看法我想我們之前在那個中小企業那個條例裡面其實我們有加薪可以那個加成底稅那個其實也是措施之一啦那的確還是要有更多的做法你要想一些對策做法然後叫各部會去執行嘛或者跨部會來協調包括財政部從輸出的優惠不過有些企業要聘用這些中高齡就業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7249.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7254.637 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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目前的例數不是我督導的,那當然就是520以後也許會重新分工啦。對,你們可能要跟新助理再建議一下,這個你看這個勞動商業率不管是65歲以上60到64、15到19,我們都比其他鄰國都還低很多,所以這個代表沒有充分利用。 |
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案。 |
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案﹚立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案案﹚ |
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7326.724 |
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7328.185 |
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另外五道現在產業你知道是哪五道嗎? |
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7370.688 |
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五大信賴產業,是的。您知道嗎?我當然知道。我當然知道。對,針對五大信賴產業怎麼樣去推動,怎麼去落實,去協助五大信賴產業的發展,包括資安、人工智慧、半導體、兵工,等等,你都要有詳細的計畫來推動,這也是跨部會的。另外晶圓店,我考慮到這個問題就是地緣政治的問題, |
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7388.729 |
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案,則是對海上供應鏈這個壓力,特別是中國的因素,很多在中國投資的必須要重新去思考他投資的目標國,很多是新南向政策,甚至有些是回國投資,包括經營鏈,出售中國廠。 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7389.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7410.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
而擴大在台的資本支出。」像這樣以前我們有一個專法對不對那專法已經到期了嘛是那有沒有可能再重新啟動另外一波讓這個境外資金匯回能夠在台灣擴大投資就是原本在中國投資的台商第二波的想要再回來的擴大資本投資的 |
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7411.258 |
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7436.095 |
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案,有沒有再重新啟動專法,或者用更便捷的稅制,讓他們可以達到這個目標,可以很順利、很快地把他們的這個在台的這個投資能夠迅速到位?」這個副主委您的看法是?我想那個境外資金回流這部分我們可能要考慮到,因為現在國內的超額儲蓄每年是有三兆的。 |
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7436.857 |
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7452.547 |
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那如果資金、油資氾濫這個問題如果我們可能要尋求一些解決對策以後你要投入公件啦,就是說我們現在很多的受刑業那麼多的油資,尤其在受刑業 |
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7453.087 |
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7462.15 |
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案,為何不導入……我一而再再來三地強調,要把受請者之餘的油資導入公共建設,那國傑會出那麼多錢嗎?委員我們這個其實我們有召開過跨部會的會議,那我們有針對油資怎麼樣去導入一些公建或是甚至設宅,我們大概有初步研議的方向。具體去落實,就是說速度太慢,早就知道這個問題,國內油資太多,操作廚具過多。 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7481.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7482.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
案、如何使用這些草案的程序。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7504.102 |
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7504.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7523.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7528.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7551.352 |
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7578.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
案 或是經檢版或特定產業你要配合五大信賴產業如果五大信賴產業在國外在中國同時願意回來的話你應該有一個專法這個比較經檢版的專法特別針對五大信賴產業可以嗎我想委員的那個我們可以來研議另外青年培力工作站這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7580.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7602.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7603.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7628.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
根委員報告,我們是希望說在全台灣各地都能有青年培力工作站,包括離島偏鄉,那這個原因呢?你的目標太過抽象,全島各地,你要各鄉啊,要投入多少人力、多少資源,你都要很明確,每一個鄉有一鄉一特色,然後你要這個鄉,比如說高雄市有38區,每一個區 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7631.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7657.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
每一個區的特色,你們怎麼去發展?怎麼去導引?當然是全國都要有這個培地站,但是你要有工作目標,要很明確,不太抽象。跟委員報告,我們目前,因為青年培地工作站才剛開始兩三年,我們目前的做法是先在各縣市,先以各縣市比較均衡發展為主。所以各縣市在主導?不是你們主導? |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7658.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
案 ﹚審查﹚ |
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7685.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十 |
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7695.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7718.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
案,除了青年培力工作站之外,其實我們還有另外一個就是說創生計劃的部分在我們非都會區的部分也非常多。在北高雄有八個區,你們青年培力工作站設了幾站?投入多少資源?然後地方創生相關的執行狀況在我的選區你能不能做一個整理? |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7719.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7722.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
事由：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7748.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7755.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
案。接下來陳昌明委員請做巡檔。 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7772.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7799.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
副委員長副主委好那剛剛邱委員談到地方的創生他講了一句話我非常的認同雖然不屬於同個黨派但是地方創生我從頭到尾就跟你們講不能用那個放煙火式的喔來了很漂亮開個咖啡館大家去剪彩喔就非常的高興結果那些店你去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
7800.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7826.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
大概剩下不到一半的店還在開因為做生意一定要有商機在你才有辦法維持繼續下去那我一直強調國化會的地方創生當然資源是在各部會但是我只拜託你國化會如果有一個地方創生才當之地方提出來提出來一定要做好的規劃選擇好的地點 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
7829.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7852.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
所以剛剛邱委員跟我們都感覺到你們都在製作六都會六都的地方要特別製作那在管制委的時候我有問到我說希望你們要編列給地方創新一種規劃的報告你們經會一定要來補治但是現在到底有沒有列進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
7853.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7855.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
7883.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
案﹚立法院議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
7911.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7911.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7926.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7939.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
根委員報告其實委員的建議其實我們有在研究好不好並不是說什麼在研究剛剛指揮長說有偏略預算了你來跟我講在研究根委員報告這分兩個部分齁我們是我講規劃報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
7942.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
7956.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
對,規劃會的部分我們現在正在研究做的方式就是說到底是由縣政府還是說由我們這邊來統籌這個我們正在研究中剛剛跟委員報告剛剛副主委的意思是說對於地方創生統籌的經費是由國安會這邊已經統籌編列的不是,我一直強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
7968.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
7971.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
案﹚立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案案﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
7990.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
7990.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8010.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8010.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8026.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8039.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
我推動了幾個參與生,然後光光的在經濟裡面,但是規劃報告要寫好,規劃的經費請你不用花多少錢就能做得好。用頭腦想一想就好。好不好? |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8041.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8061.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
再來今天討論到離島建設條例那離島的收到地理位置資源的分配我們真的要全力支持但是裡面我又看到一點那個無自來水基地區我就特別把它調出來全國自來水的普及率95.67% |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8064.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8079.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
案。」那離島地區是94.55、馬祖地區是86.87、澎湖地區是92.91。那我想到苗栗縣我就覺得我很可憐,我全力的爭取。 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8080.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8106.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
案、七十幾年來在我當立委的時候大概從65%我就一直步的推動苗栗新的自來水現在目前達到87.23%但是跟全國的普及率95.6G還差了一大截苗栗可憐在哪裡離一潭水庫都供給給台中再用的自來水、工業用水 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8107.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8129.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
明德水庫以前是供給那個不是永和水庫是供給新竹科學園區現在我們地方產業已經慢慢發達已經回來但是普及率很低啊但是現在都在邊緣的地區啊你們當務成本要60萬以下才能送得進去去評評 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8130.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8158.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那我只要議一點那個水利市的防護市長自來水你廠長陪我下去那我只要問一件事情請國會如果水利市送到邊緣地區無自來水的地區現在應該要提成本單路要提到八十萬到九十萬就要那日何比了我們有需要這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8160.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8188.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
結果我們普及率特別低害我們每次選舉都被修理黃仁你是苗栗人我跟你講你讓我選舉很痛苦啊有啦委員的建議我們這一次在報五期計畫的時候就針對比較特殊尤其像苗栗這個比較偏遠地區而且水庫比較多的在周邊的區域的部分我們這個經費都有提高那目前正在做計畫的呈報正在討論單戶成本你們有沒有那個地區不要60萬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8189.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8213.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
有,有比較提高了。對,已經提高了。提高如果到八十萬就給他們扣一百萬給他們賺。那我為什麼會再問這個問題?因為自來水公司每次要提的自來水、無自來水地區的那個經費的時候要送到你們國外會。國外會好像不怎麼同意捏。你們這裡有多少人都不知道我們整個人留著好山好水。 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8214.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8231.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
案件的供給都是在邊緣地區,你們沒有特別照顧,只照顧都市人,這樣如果有合幣如果丟,那就改為一百萬,平比一百萬,你就把它送進去裡面,剩下沒有多少了,課金其功,大膽的將會補助下來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8234.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8242.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
國外會不要再擋了!黃副市長,還有地方創生很重要,有自來水表示有進步的地方,沒有自來水就沒有進步的地方,幫我加油!我會好好盯著,謝謝!接下來我們請領導府委員請做詢談 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8265.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8265.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8280.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8281.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
案、陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、陳玉珍 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8295.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8318.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
案。」告主委我請教因為金馬盆離島居民後代移居至臺灣本島的人口出估差不多180萬人左右那本席選區雖然是在永和綜合但其實很多人是從金門、馬祖、澎湖移居過來本席關心整個離島建設的一個發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8321.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8333.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
財政為數證之母,一百一十二年度離島基金建設條例的基金只剩三點八九億元。一百一十三年度國庫雖然撥補了九億,但是離島鄉親擔心基金用完後後續無以為繼。 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8341.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8355.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
對此國安會跟財政部未來是我會有新的財源來注入來改善整個離島這個建設基金的體質讓基金能夠永續的這些運作。高組委你有什麼看法? |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8356.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8356.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
彭麗玲議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8382.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8395.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
報告委員,因為撥補這個部分,基本上當然我們如果說是政府的財政非常充裕的話,那在主席總署那邊一定會配合國防會這邊來做相關的處理啊。這樣齁,我希望不要斷吹啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8398.365 |
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案 。 因為馬祖金門有攔眼淚,通常在每年四月至六月之間是最佳觀賞期,因為許多民眾前往觀光,每年三至五月是金門、馬祖又剛好遇到霧季。 |
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8417.907 |
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8418.448 |
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案 、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8434.011 |
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8438.032 |
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案 ﹚立法院第十三條條文修正草案 ﹚立法院第十三條條文修正草案 ﹚立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
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8454.649 |
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8472.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
報告委員,那其實我們對於馬祖第七有特別的關注。那最近也承蒙這個院裡面的這個核定,我們相關的這個計畫,整個機場的一個改善計畫也在進行中。那只有馬祖,那金門勒?金門也是一樣。我是希望在最短時間裡面解決這個問題啦,可行嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8476.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8503.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我們會來處理。」行管的問題啦因為你每年喔誤記的時候其實那裡剛好就是有藍眼淚嘛對不對那既然是這樣要發展觀光就是一定要做好不好那你請回來那個日前喔行政院金馬聯合服務中心與金馬盆聯盟啊舉辦離島建設條例研討會希望爭取制定金馬盆的基本法並修訂離島建設條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8505.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8533.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
篇列預算來益助離島建設基金協助金馬盆的建設發展。在中央成立金馬盆委員會專責金馬盆發展的事務來扶持金馬盆在地的產業保存、在地的文化、輔導青年創業與促進觀光發展等。對於金門、馬祖、澎湖、離島的鄉親們上述的主張,國會裡面有沒有什麼看法? |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8535.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8535.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8553.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8573.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
還有綠島藍玉等等的小琉球所以其實就離島來說其實已經有院層級的執照委員會現在已經是院長來擔任召集人了我是希望多關注多關心啦要支持啦好不好最後一個議題中國大陸宣布要推動福建民眾組團戶馬祖來旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8575.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8596.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
案 本級是認為說這是一個好的開始兩岸多互動交流總是能帶來一些轉機本級是希望政府各機關要好好的把握促成大陸全面恢復團客觀光這些旅遊以下建議也希望國外會把帶回去給 |
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8597.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案﹑一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8626.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8629.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
那個副主委你什麼看法? |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8631.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8656.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
對這個是我這個成績沒有辦法製作的部分那你可不可以建議嘛反映啊所以立法院有這樣的一個聲音我想會把委員的意見我想會帶去給我們新竹委講實在話兩岸本來就應該要交流但是從蔡政府開始就斷掉而且越來越糟糕越來越僵因為我在立法院算是自身委員我們希望我跟你講最後一段有一天那個對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
8657.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8686.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
就是社科院的院長他叫做于克里來這裡我面對面我跟他怎麼談我說齁兩岸是兄弟啦你們是大哥我們是你的弟弟啦我們在這裡生活久了希望維持現在這種生活的狀況希望維持這種制度我們只要不講台獨不搞台獨兩岸應該要和平共處相互尊重他馬上跟我說其實這樣就夠了因為大陸有疆獨有藏獨 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8687.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8708.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我們是希望說兩岸要和平老百姓要的是什麼安居樂業不是要你每天都聽美國搞到最後兵兇戰危老百姓要的是這樣子嗎但是現在的蔡英文政府就是全部都聽美國的搞到你看美國叫你東你不敢西叫你西你不敢北不敢南這很糟糕 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
8709.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8710.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
案﹚事由：審查：事由：審查： |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
8731.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8731.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
案。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
8755.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8755.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
現在請楊誠勳委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
8778.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8778.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
8792.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
8813.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我們來討論這個排碳量的問題我們從今年開始排碳量如果超過2.5萬公噸的四葉體都會被納為第一批的納管徵收碳費的對象是不是是的好那2024年的這個排放量為依據是不是 |
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8814.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
8815.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
8839.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
8867.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
案,所以我們要去理清楚,目前我們也知道碳費率一直延遲,所以讓我們所有的企業界一直到最基層的民眾,一般的民眾都很緊張,不只是有心要減碳的企業無所適從,而且會衝擊到我們的民生經濟,會加速的來通膨。那我們也了解到,也就是目前你碳定價相關的三個執法, |
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8868.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
8883.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
包括了碳費收費辦法、自主減量計劃管理辦法以及碳費收費對象溫室氣體減量指定的目標這些的法律程序都要完成那目前正在準備要預告 |
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8884.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
8907.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
但是我們看到預告後就會召開第三次的審查會但實際上討論到碳費的部分可能要到第四次的這個會議所以本期要請教副主委碳費徵收攸關了我們的產業跟民生那到目前為止我們的碳費率還沒有辦法定出來是什麼原因那今年年底是不是可以定出來請做說明好 |
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8909.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
8910.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
8925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
8951.12 |
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那其實那會不會?今年年底會不會?按照時程的話應該要定出來,那至於會不會我還是尊重因為因為碳費差小林委員會的好,您請站點發言來主席因為我們的公主也到了我要請公主也來回答那我也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
8953.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
8981.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
公主委,我們約定今天11點你會到,你慢了7秒鐘。所以呢我就直接請你上台,非常感謝。那剛才講到了碳費率的問題,我們預計會在第四次會議,產業界很緊張,一般民眾就緊張,因為2.5萬公噸的試月體那就要排入到第一。那目前為止是不是我們維持原來的2025年要繳交第一筆的碳費? |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
8983.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
8998.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
法委員我們的態度還是希望就是說還是維持到2025年就是說這個環境部還是要跟企業界有比較好的你的預計是2025年是不是還是會2025年因為有人說要延後一年會不會 |
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9000.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9025.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
當然我們是希望就是說今年齁,今年可以大家有個共識談妥。所以你們的預計方向還是今年度,今年年底要訂出碳費率,是不是?對,談妥以後至於就是說從今年開始起算還是明年開始起算,那又可能是另外一個討論啦。你先跟我討論目前的問題。就是今年年底會將碳費率訂出來? |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9026.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9026.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
對,這個是原來的規劃。 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9045.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9071.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
對,我們期待說是今年可以談妥這樣的事情。好,所以本期之所以為什麼會提出這樣子的議題,也產業界蠻緊張的。我們希望讓產業界能夠安心,好嗎?好好去談判,好嗎?來接下來本期要請教您,也就是打詐國家隊,越打越詐,越打讓民眾越傷腦筋。在這樣的一個情況之下,台灣是 |
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9072.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9096.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
詐騙天堂,這樣子的污名本席不願意聽到。」所以在5月9號的時候你們公佈了打詐新釋法要將避傷納入管制而且要提供虛擬資產第三方支付服務的事業會人員必須完成洗錢防治、服務能量登記或者是登錄違規者要處兩年以下的有期徒刑並可罰金500萬以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9102.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9121.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那在國外的幣商也要在國內落地的時候呢那也要在國內落地這是我們在5月9號的一個公佈那當然會這樣子公佈也就是看到社會面向詐騙事件頻繁人民很恐慌不知所措而且詐騙的案件越來越多對不對?詐騙的金額損失的也越來越多是不是?那事該怎麼辦? |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9128.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9155.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
所以為什麼您剛才提到為什麼這個5月9號我們在行政院通過了這個黨詐釋法那也盡快的送到大院來那如果大院可以比較快的審核我們就可以依照新的法律因為新的法律有新的授權我們比較好的手段是換句話說目前我們看到這個問題的嚴重性那同時我們也積極希望有所改變制度跟方法對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9156.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9181.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
在這樣的情況之下本協也勉勵因為你打壓國家隊你包含了內政部、法務部、金管會、NCC、國發會你們是區中聯合最主要的角色但是我願意說在幾天之後你是秘書長在這個橫向的組織你更有能力所以一定要加強好不好一定要加強保障人民的安全接下來本協要請問電的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9183.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9206.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我們的這個能源政策新的準這個經濟部長郭部長他說他上任之後會將電台灣的需求量會做一個整體性的一個檢討呈現給國人這是第一項第二個本期再請問非核家園的政策會不會改變 |
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9208.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9227.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
他告訴我們說因為核電的問題是需要多數人民的同意而執行之本下請教主委郭准部長所說的這一句話是不是我們的非核家園會有所轉彎請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
9229.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9249.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
法務委員,就是說從行政部門的角度來講,我們是依法行政。所以說,因為現在假如法律通通沒有改的情況之下,我們只能按照...假如人民需由,你們行政部門我們也可以改法律啊!如果法律改的話,我們當然是...你認不認同《環境基準法》的第23條針對核的部分必須要做檢討? |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9250.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9258.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
按照目前台灣所需要的電量。需不需要?所以你也是朝這個方向嗎?所以整個能源政策都是必須是要討論的,是嗎?當然可以討論,因為到目前為止你們所說的綠能到目前為止是沒有辦法達成的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9276.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9277.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9300.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9319.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
而且他們的速度加大他們的速度加快又加大用電比率也會超前也會更多在這樣的一個情況之下我仍舊要請教未來的秘書長現任的國發會主委全球對核能發電的觀點都有在改變對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9321.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9348.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
目前為止都有在調整。」一直在討論。一直在討論。所以我們是不是積極要檢視非核家園的政策?對,巴爾委員就是說討論都OK啦,但是行政部門還是依法行政。您剛才有講到一點,也就是說如果全國的人民多數同意,那是不是非核家園的政策會去做調整? |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9348.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9349.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
案﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9367.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9370.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
好謝謝陳仲偉委員來接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員請做詢談 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9395.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9404.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
主席、在黨的委員先進、列席的政府經過所長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生,有請拱主委。我們請拱主委。周委好。主委好。今天行政院總辭,但是您已經將內定接行政院秘書長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
9418.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9443.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
這樣我這樣審視就交通部經濟部財政部就不用請了就直接您一併回答好來我們來看一下花東山法乾坑法案那我們看到對於環島高速鐵路特別建設的特別條例國發會說這個與我們的鐵路法財政紀律法國發會主席有所漢格那另外在花東快速公路的建設特別條例當中也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
9444.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9470.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
一、基於憲政分際,那不亦有監家預算支出,有自愛難言之無法推動。」您可以說明一下這個三法?報告委員就是說國家的建設尤其是公共建設基本上如果有那樣需要我們都會來支持那現在也有既有的機制在進行從可行性分析到綜合規劃然後如果通過的話這當然還包括了環評用地取得那到西部 |
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9471.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9488.128 |
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所以你有偷看我的簡報囉我就在說你們國發會就是有一個中長程個案計畫的編審要點是不是?是是是所以應該要有這個程序嘛按照計畫需求可行性協調還有看效果這效果當中除了注意社會效果經濟效果還有財政效益跟成本效益比對不對? |
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還有兼顧到國家安全、社會經濟跟自然環境性別等。」是不是這樣的意思?那請問您認為目前我們看到中長城計畫的審議要素,這些要素當中,剛所羅列的要素當中,目前我們的離島建設基金各項補助計畫有沒有擬具完整的需求性評估還有可行性研究及綜合規劃報告? |
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9526.53 |
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報告委員因為離島基金的部分我們都有一個中長期四年期間的一個綜合方案那這個綜合方案我們擬定了方向然後會跟地方政府共同討論那地方政府會依據這個方向擬出他們的優先順序出來然後我們經過審議以後然後來執行 |
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9556.901 |
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所以目前有按照您所說的方式在離島建設基金的各樣補充有這樣去做那未來不管是不是離島建設基金還是其他類似的像花中建設也應該準用這個方法來執行是是是本來就有一套的這個程序在進行那我們來看一下那麼目前離島重大建設投資計畫的核定標準這第五條他說這些東西都要有行政院核定那目前是否目前在執行當中都是要由行政院來核定 |
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目前的計畫是在行政院合訂的。好,那我們來看一下,那你們合訂的這個金額要如何審議,是考量到它的人口數還是地域面積還是財政狀況,包括以離島、以花東或其他的為例,你們怎麼來衡量? |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9572.858 |
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9573.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
一、本院委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9593.956 |
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9593.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9613.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9641.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
但是現在比照這個華東建設特別條例有藍委要提出一個離島建設條例的修正草案原來是要經中央主管機關合訂為重大投資計畫者他現在多加了一個縣市主管機關那這些重大的建設投資計畫它的合訂標準本來是要由離島建設指導委員會來擬訂還要由行政院來合訂現在可以由縣市政府另訂之你覺得這樣的一個修正之後如果這個法案如果通過會產生怎麼樣的影響 |
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9642.83 |
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9643.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
案 ﹚審查﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9665.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9668.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那這樣的話如何去處理就會產生一些困擾。 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9689.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案案 案件第十三條條文修正草案 案件第十三條條文修正草案 案件第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
9702.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9703.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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9731.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9755.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
及居民的權益,運用離島建設基金來推動相關的離島建設開發,事情要擬具完成的需求性評估、可行應研究,按照規劃報告,結案前應妥慎驗收。」所以請盤點,要求現執行中離島建設基金各項補助計畫是否擬具完成的需求性評估、可行應研究及綜合規劃報告。請你盤點,一個月內提出書面報告給本席,可以嗎?可以。好,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
9760.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9760.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9772.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9800.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
下一位請嚴寬恒委員嚴寬恒委員嚴寬恒委員不在請游皓委員游皓委員游皓委員不在請蔓玉珍委員蔓玉珍委員蔓玉珍委員不在請賴世寶委員賴世寶委員賴世寶委員不在請洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員不在請何欣淳委員何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在請黃仁委員黃仁委員黃仁委員不在好,這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9802.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9804.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我們等趙偉回來,我們休息五分鐘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
9809.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9809.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
9844.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9844.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
9855.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9856.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
案。」告知委員會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
9885.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9889.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
案：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第13條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
9901.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9911.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
案。」則三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案。」則三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
9932.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9945.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案 |
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9946.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9946.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9972.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9972.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
案件結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
9989.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10008.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
案：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
10010.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
10012.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
案件事後納稅符號提示要頒發於議會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
10029.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
10056.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
10064.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
10078.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案 案 二、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
10078.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
10083.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
案：審查：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
10095.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
10115.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
10116.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
10137.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
案：立法院第11屆第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
10139.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
10139.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
10167.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10167.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
10193.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
10197.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
10208.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
10230.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
10232.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
10232.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
10252.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
10258.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
主委,恭喜恭喜恭喜!有勞,你要去哪裡?你人生,你人生就要問你,你經常要問人家。經常練習,我有練習,有觀察,都有。 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
10272.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
10272.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
案。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
10296.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
10315.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
案件,一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案件,一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案件,一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案件,一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 案件,一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
10330.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
好,非常感謝,我們繼續開會,請回座,請肅靜,謝謝接下來我們謝謝參議員委員,我們請參議員委員請做詢答好,謝謝主席,我們是不是有請我們主委,公主委,未來的秘書長我們請公主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
10354.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
10354.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
蔡偉豪 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
10378.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
10396.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
我還是想在這個機會再跟主委再聊一下台灣的海洋政策基本上台灣四面環海我們的領海的面積是我們的國土面積的4.7倍那全球有12大的航商就有三個在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
10400.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
10415.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
那目前我們知道說台灣基本上也是大家說遊艇王國我們台灣打造遊艇的能量是最強的但是我們有這麼強的打造遊艇的能量我想跟主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
10416.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
10430.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
報告一下說我們自己國內在使用遊艇也就是我們在使用我們領海我們在使用我們所謂藍色公路內是這種還沒有那麼的蓬勃發展所以我這樣講你認同嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
10432.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
10432.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
10451.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
10478.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
我們如果要去免稅商品,他們現在依依據離島免稅商品的設置管理辦法第五條。大家看,我們如果要去免稅商品,我們要有幾項必要的證件。第一是護照。第二是外橋,它要有居留證。第三要有旅行證件或身份證明文件。這個旅行證件是什麼?旅行證件是什麼?注意,這是旅行證件。 |
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10480.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
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就你知道你這個旅行證件是什麼嗎我跟你說就是我們搭交通船從台灣到離島搭交通船不管是所謂藍雀雲豹號啦搭交通船的這個船票或者是飛機票 |
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案,所以你要有這個旅行證件,他才能夠去購買離島的免稅商品,我現在問題來了,現在問題就造出來就是說,那如果我搭遊艇,我走藍色公路,我坐這個私人的遊艇到離島去,我沒有旅行證件啊, |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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法院委員我想這件事情我們有靠譜有協商過技術性的問題我們大概已經可以解決了就是說因為他出海都要填這個跟填這個出海報報備表 |
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案 、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案 、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具 |
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當時我們沒有再往下去思考,那我買了免稅商品後,我要去哪裡?現在離島去買免稅商品,他就是在我要去離開離島,就是我要去坐交通船,或者是我去機場,我要坐飛機前,那一段管制區,我才能去拿我的免稅品。 |
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案。 |
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案,所以我很多人都說,哇,你們推動了這個政策,結果沒有辦法被實踐,因為我不知道要去哪裡。那些免稅品也沒辦法給你稅高,那些都是給你買的,你去管制區,他把你叫回去,把你叫到那裡,你給他一隻高照。 |
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這個我知道他們的用意是什麼當時這樣設計是擔心這一些免稅品如果他們沒有在管制區交貨的話他可能會流入離島然後會影響在地的商家是不是?他們有這樣的一個考慮所以他們用管制區但是勒但是勒對我們剛剛講的遊艇的他就沒辦法解決了是不是?主委是不是這兩件事情無解無解嘛齁 |
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有辦法嗎?黨家討價有辦法嗎?所以委員的建議我知道,就是說他不要在那個離島裡面來提貨,就不會留在這個離島裡面交易。對啦,就是這樣啦。所以我的意思就是這樣啦。所以我們只要本島有設置一個提貨處,是不是這些遊艇的人、去旅遊的人,他的問題就解決啦。 |
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案,他搭遊艇去,他一樣去買免稅品,那他在本島,本島的提貨處去提貨,消費一樣在離島,消費沒有在本島,本島只是提貨。所以他同時間就帶有兩個好處,第一就是如果我是搭交通船的,我搭飛機的,我要處理,我一樣去管制區去拿這個免稅品。 |
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案,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外。 |
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所以我今天我特別再提出了這個離島建設條例第十條之一那我希望可以再跟離島對接的台灣的這一些三港 |
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案,可設提貨區,事實上空港沒有問題了,廢機的部分因為他們都有提貨,他們那些都白白管制區對管制區的沒問題,現在是香港的部分在台灣的部分有沒有辦法增設提貨區,這個增設提貨區就是像我剛剛講的,他可以解決現階段我們離島他在做免稅品的管制的 |
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案：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查： |
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我把雜貨公司讓主委你一直很支持我這一條提案那我也希望說可以在這個會期然後把順利把這個第十條之一把它推動過然後離島可以更多更多人去離島遊玩那我們本島這邊那也可以因為提貨的一個一個提貨區的一個設置然後大家未來的旅遊會更加的方便這樣好不好好謝謝謝謝主委好謝謝 |
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接下來我們請邱毅榮委員、邱毅榮委員、邱毅榮委員不在現場。我們最後請黃仁委員請做詢答。謝謝主席。第二次補充的一個說明。有關於離島條例第十三條的補充說明。第一, |
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應該增加花東及原住民地區及洗腎中心光是台東地區就有750位洗腎患者目前全台洗腎人口更直逼到將近9萬人若病患因有肺積水的狀況 |
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案,就是幸運遇到合適的這個腎臟也無法換腎。請問臺東有多少洗腎中心是否能滿足臺東的洗腎的需求?那第二個為偏鄉的血液透析婦理人員的難尋找15張床為 |
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只能提供八張床位的服務,即盼婦理人員加入,請問目前臺東醫療院所的醫護比是多少?第三、語言溝通不良的原因就是延誤了病情的醫療,部落長輩反映因為 |
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案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文 |
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正確的診斷他的病情造成了許多老人家的或長輩病情治療的延誤。第四、針對花東第七高齡醫療照顧及可行性的研究。台東縣中高齡民眾醫療可行性醫療品質與服務醫療滿意度及醫療忠誠度之研究提及因為地理環境的限制 |
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案,使交通和醫療的資源分配不均。台灣受限於地理環境及交通,造成了醫療資源分配不均,即使偏鄉有保險也無醫療的保障,尤其是慢性病和癌症的治療需求。 |
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所以這個部分醫療部署的話請問要如何處理?第五華東地區的長照資源與基層的醫療資源與都會區的供需的平衡但偏鄉地區的資源可接近性的較低 |
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一、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案：立法院陳玉珍等18人擬具:「離島建設條例第十 |
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我們登記發言的委員除了不在場之外其餘都已經發言完畢,詢答結束。委員有邱應委員以及林黛樺委員所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢以及未答覆的部分請相關單位於一週以內書面答覆並複製本會。 |
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那主席來宣告討論事項所列的議案離島建設條例部分條文修正草案我們詢答結束那我要特別請因為今天充分的溝通了詢答 |
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案：審查：事由：審查 |
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上會。謝謝。 |
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案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、 |
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案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案、三、本院委員陳玉珍等18人擬具、「離島建設條例第十三條條條文修正草案 |
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案、第十四條條文修正草案、第十七條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、 |
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案。」案。 |