| IVOD_ID |
159197 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159197 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-14T17:18:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-14T17:49:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c41c7866a52398a8bbd5f066eb8cecf769f2953f6d3be09eefe5bd9de5002b1eb84b7fcc79dab935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
游顥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:18:34 - 17:49:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長 那有請行政院長麻煩請卓院長再度備選 |
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那其實我們都希望這整個國家的發展跟繁榮經濟的發展都是在一個穩定的一個情況跟氛圍之下可以逐漸進步那我們也覺得像現在來講確實 |
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還更像是往這個兵凶戰危的這個這個過程在越去緊張那剛才稍早我們王世堅王委員有送院長一個大大的算盤那希望這個算盤他不僅是代表的賴政府還是不是精打細算那我們更是要提醒那許多重要的政策重要的決策那如一算盤不能打錯 |
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那所以這個部分的話我們都希望是看到穩定而不要看到不穩定那許多的委員其實都是非常擔憂因為是全民都在擔憂那延續剛才許多委員所提到的 |
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那在我們看到目前來講在昨天賴清德總統發表談話之後那其實我相信是全民焦慮全民恐慌那因為這也往這個更加還是不是走向戰爭的這個過程那其實大家都是共同擔憂那我想請教一下院長你也會擔憂會發生戰事嗎 |
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我更擔憂的是如果我們沒有自我防衛的能力我們將沒有辦法保障自己的安全所以昨天總統的才事之後不見得像委員所說的大家都擔憂而是那些想對台灣要心魔不軌的人會擔憂但要保護台灣的人是得到一個最好的總統的支持跟政策上的支持我想這個是 |
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造成我們內部更團結的開始只要我們團結我們就不會分裂我們不分裂敵人就不會加倍我坦白說如果院長剛才所講我是覺得這個給全民扣了個大帽子全民擔憂的是是不是發生戰爭是不是孩子上戰場那擔憂的人的話他就是好像聽你所說變成是出賣國家 |
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但是如果說感到興奮的那這樣子他們是在期待戰爭嗎我覺得這樣子的說法全民要團結是這些對我們有企圖心的人要擔憂我相信你所指的不是指全民啦那同樣的我還是要在這裡也跟院長講這個目前來講的局勢確實是更加緊張啊 |
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那所以說其實像目前我想要就教一下院長在昨天所發表談話之後啊您覺得將來在不久後有沒有可能會走向戒嚴 |
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像什麼戒嚴我跟你說不可能台灣成為一個戒嚴的時代台灣經過全世界最長最長的戒嚴我們已經走過了那個時代在台灣民主高度發展的今天我們有健全的國會我們有健全的軍隊我們有健全的社會 |
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我們有高水準的民主素養的人民當然我們內部有一些問題但這個問題我們可以用民主的方式來解決民主所造成的問題但戒嚴應該不是總統手上的權力他會去使用的絕對不是 |
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好那記得你說的內容因為我們也不希望沒有在這個民意上的戒嚴但是在很多的政策與措施走向了實際上往戒嚴邁進那院長那我想要接著請教在目前這個發表談話之後那這個等同於是兩岸的緊張情勢絕對是更加升溫 |
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那在ECFA的部分目前有沒有認為將來會有因此停止的可能性 |
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我們一直在建立台灣自主的經濟安全只要我們夠我們自己經濟安全我們從各方面做有序而且是必要的調整那台灣會往世界走台灣會轉向轉向海洋轉向世界那台灣會把我們的生產我們的市場都放到世界各地去我們就不會受到某一個國家單獨對台灣太多台灣對他的依賴性所以我們正在往這個方向走也希望得到全民的支持 |
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我相信剛才你所講,台灣不可能是獨立在世界體系一環、經濟體系一環的任何一個環節,當然也不可能說在這個所謂的全球,我相信這是一個整體,當然不是說對於任何一個地方、任何一個城市也好、國家也好都不能夠過度依賴, |
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但是你覺得像目前的一個情況有沒有可能未來ECFA是有可能因此而停止甚至有沒有做好各種的因應或衝擊的準備當我們面對一個不是法治的社會不是民主的國家它要對我們用任何的方式不是我們在這裡能夠預料得到的但我們是希望 |
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兩岸之間能夠健康有序的交流能夠尊嚴對等的交流凡是用談判用對話來代替現在這種互相不了解這個才是好的比方說那你說的好啊那我覺得其實經濟部長也可以起來 |
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那這個你剛才說以這個談判或是一個交流才說一個健康的方式來進行那我想請教目前來講針對經貿議題在兩岸有沒有做任何形式的交流尤其是在去年賴總統賴內閣就是你的內閣上任之後有沒有做各種形式的交流或是談判我們在很多的方式經濟部等一下陸委會我們都可以談一下 |
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報告委員 我想我們在上任以來我們碰到的是中國對ECFA的部分取消我們當然要提早因應 因為它的不確定性太高所以我們希望能夠協助沒有ECFA的措施之後的業者 |
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能夠轉移市場到除了這個中國以外的市場這第一個第二個我們協助他能夠提升避開這個中國的大量的這個製造因為中國用補貼的這個方式造成我們到我們的台商到中國去製造的時候面臨到更大的這個傷害所以我們要幫助在台灣生產的這些廠商過去他銷給中國的我們都完全來輔導他們 |
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能夠到這個中國以外的市場來進行他們這個生意的這個持續下去好那我就直接就教部長那在目前來講針對EXPA的這種情況那有沒有做任何的一個衝擊影響評估相關的報告 |
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未來假如因此取消的時候您的意思是說還沒有取消的部分還是說已經取消的部分假如像現在昨天之後情勢更加升溫之後您能做出任何的衝擊甚至停止之後的對於我們整個各行各業百工百業的一個衝擊的影響評估報告對百工百業我想這個 |
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一般的影響評估當然是有的那我直接跟部長就直接提這個聽起來因為像現在從昨天到今後期確實更加衝突性我相信陛下主委你也同意吧更加緊張跟委員報告當然中國大陸一直對我們經濟脅迫這也是事實 |
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不過我們相關部會都做好的各種的準備我們在國安的思考一定是做最壞的打算好我知道任何的一個政府包括馬政府此起一定是做最壞的打算那一定是做最充足的準備一定是盡力來去溝通啦我相信在座三位一定都認同那我要直接回答就是說 |
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就是像剛才所提到的這個答案並沒有明確的回覆我到底有沒有做好假如像昨天之後到現在未來那ECFA如果因此而到時候停止之後那影響百工百業的衝擊報告目前來講經濟部是不是有做那因為有做的話是不是可以公開的也讓社會各界百工百業各種產業來做因應 |
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我們在去年的時候當ECFA取消的部分我們就已經有公告來協助這些受ECFA影響的廠商如何協助他們來轉移市場這個是我們在去年就已經開始做了 |
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好那沒關係那我這樣子聽起來大致上啊就是說如果說要衝擊的廠商的話當然一定是要協助啦那其實在任何的一個全球的一個就是分工之下啦產業鏈的這種互動之下其實本來就是每一個市場都應該是要去做溝通啦還能夠讓我們的這個企業界產業界都能夠去做任何形式的一個評估那我相信這個絕對會是比較理想正確 |
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所以現在聽起來的話,是沒有做相關,如果因為像昨天發表台灣之後,那個法,未來如果因此而喊停的時候,整體的一個評估報告,所以說許多的產業受到影響的這些項目來講,他們並沒有辦法因此來提早做運營。那在這裡是本席能夠請經濟部,能夠做相關的評估報告、衝擊報告之後,甚至能夠在公開讓社會各界提早做運營。 |
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剛剛部長已經說過了我們之前我們有做了相關的因應現在我們做全球的佈局那我們要提醒中國的經濟下行他現在的經濟狀況是極端的不好他做任何的變動如果對他的經濟產生更劇烈的變化而往下更走的話也不是他樂意看到的當然也不是全世界樂意看到的所以不要做不需要做這樣的我們有我們自己 |
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所以說,像剛才所提到的話,甚至假如未來來講,因為未來情勢更加緊張的時候,全部面的停止的時候,目前來講人評不高沒有做,但是也不宜做嗎? |
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我們保障自己的安全怎麼會是情勢越加緊張不是啊 那要輔導轉型輔導跟其他的國家來去做連結相關的一個輔導措施甚至補貼措施過去馬英國時期的時候其實都有做相關的評估報告跟研究現在國內好幾位像委員這樣身強體壯的現役軍人都被對方所吸收 被對方所利用等一下 你這句話我要反駁我另外被吸收喔我不是說你 我說現役軍人 |
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他是很強壯的現役軍人都被對方所吸收對對方所利用我們當然要有一個防制的精神如果能夠做有效的防制我們是加強自己的能力我要跟院長講就是說今天來講各個國家在任何一個地方他們在做這種侵犯工作我想實在話本席絕對是站在國家安全的立場 |
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這個覺得大家全民都是站在國家安全立場如果個人因為他被吸收或是有跟任何國家這樣子有任何成為間諜的一個情況的話當然是絕不容忍但是但是回頭來講那這個一個法案未來來講因為賴清德總統昨天的發表通關之後後面的情勢更加緊張評估報告如果是沒有做衝擊報告沒有做還是有請經濟部會來做的之後來做因應這樣子是否可以我們昨天在開會的時候就已經要求各部會 |
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要把總統的才智要專案的執行要定期的考核而且限期的完成必要修法就修法該立法就立法該訂定行動計畫就訂定行動計畫這個已經在處理當中了昨天那一個資料我看了十次了所以說經濟部包括在於這個經濟重啟確實沒有相關的一個因應當然這個評估包括也不是在一個簡短的談話中可以去提到的所以說請這個部長這邊做相關的評估 |
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還要讓社會大眾提早去做了解這樣是否可行就經濟的部分我想我們經濟部已經在內部作業我們也根據各個署各個處 |
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那麼請他們提出來對我們在中國的這些台商會產生什麼影響然後在台灣的業者他們如果是輸出到中國的部分那可能會碰到什麼樣的問題我們都給予分析然後再來輔導我們台灣的廠商在未來如何因應這樣的一個可能產生的變異 |
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沒關係那大致上就是這一個整個過程中對於兩岸經貿剛才院長有提到也希望能夠務實的來去做互動交流那甚至能夠保護台山那我想直接請教在過去到今年520到現在有針對兩岸的議題產業的議題包括FA相關項目的議題有作為任何一次經貿上面的談判或是聯繫嗎 |
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跟對方的談判我想主動權都不是在我們一方他跟我們的接觸我們請陸委會就知道我們光是希望兩小兩會就光光談判對方就是遲遲不願意他就是不願意用談判的方式他不願意把我們放在一個對等尊嚴的方式不願意跟我們做健康有序的接觸 |
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這是對方的問題那個我就不跟你為難啦我直接直接講就是說像陸委會跟其實兩岸之間他重申紀不應該是斷掉的也不應該是差別拔線的我們傳很多東西他從來就沒有告訴我們我從此之間那幫老師說都一定應該有一個正常的互動啦那我坦白講 |
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這個部分過去馬英九執政了8年那有辦法在不管是美國或包括中國大陸彼此之間讓我們許多的產業跟台商還能有一些經濟方面的一個成長 |
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那今天全球布局不管是進出或來講不能過度依賴但是他能夠在全球的市場下在台灣能夠許多產業扮演角色這是重要的那我直接接著就就好了那軍事審判法的部分那我們顧立雄顧部長那這個部分算不算複批部長主委謝謝 |
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部長早上已經有答過這是一個重新的開機截然不同的制度老郭部長是那這樣子軍事審判法重新再起那你覺得這個部分跟你過去所發表的言論跟價值與立場有沒有著實經過的感覺我今天早上已經跟王委員做過說明 |
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我的立場沒有,我的見解都沒有任何的改變就是說我認為過去的軍事審判有違反憲法的意志那也沒有辦法獲得人民的信賴所以我現在會盡個人最大的努力來確保我們重新打造的軍事審判 |
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是會跟過去的制度是不一樣的如果說你認為當初的沒有辦法來做客觀的審判的情況之下那當初在提出修正案以及報告案在倡稿的廢除的部分那為什麼當初你不用倡稿來去做修正? |
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我想就是當我已經講了就是當時的這個軍事審判按照道爾干的憲法的意旨比如說軍法官他就認為他沒有符合身份保障所以他不是一個真正的法官所以我們在這個部分就要確保這個 |
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以後的這個軍事審判是一個這個軍法官是獲得有一個獨立性獲得身份保障所以我會說我們要定軍法官人事條例我們要定軍事法院組織法那為什麼當初你在提倡這個議題的時候不是用這個角度 |
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我沒有表示說沒有用這個角度我一直在主張軍事審判法相關的違憲的地方所以我們指出這些違憲的地方如果沒有辦法補這些破洞的話那就這一個部分我們認為 |
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就應該要回到這個民事的審判來所以說當初你認為應該回到民事的審判但是你當了部長之後你反而會認為又要再回覆嗎但是我跟委員做一個 |
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說明,你讓我有機會稍微說明一下但是,軍事審判法當時的第一條它仍然維持暫時要進行軍事審判所以在暫時仍然維持軍事審判的一個情況之下11年來平時如果沒有重新打造一個新的軍事審判制度暫時是不可能會憑空所以你這個時候暫時做運營嗎? |
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我們國防部本來就是要為平戰轉換做準備那為什麼在過去我們所有國防部的人都是為了平戰轉換在做準備啊對那為什麼在去年跟過去前八年的時候沒有提出 |
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那所以說在過去的時候沒有提出而在賴總統昨天的這個發表講話之後就提出那這個部分那過去的九年的期間那到底這樣的軍事審判法被怎麼定義 |
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就我理解我們過去的法律師一直以來都在研究就是說平時這個審判的制度軍事審判的制度要如何能夠維繫他的能量的運作所以過去的九年的成果是如何因為你也擔任過許多重要的職務所以過去的九年的話其實完全都沒有對這個方面提出要求現在就是因應戰死 |
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我想我們國防部在做這個相關的平戰轉換做所有的戰備任務都是在為平戰轉換做準備我們的國防部存在的價值就是隨時做好這個備戰的準備我們的戰訓本部我們相關的訓練我們相關裝備的獲得也是都是如此那麼包括這個 |
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軍事審判這個課題也是如此所以我認為如果說新的軍事審判他能夠達到一個公平審判的原則跟正當法律程序的原則那麼這樣子重新開機的一個軍事審判他就可以來救 |
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現役軍人犯執運人職務上司罪這個部分來進行我想這一個部分應該是跟我的過去的見解沒有任何的一個不一致的地方今天對於這一個軍事懲判法這個當然未來我們也是會看你們提出的版本的內容但是我都想你剛才所提到的如果說你那時候處理上軍事懲判的過程中到底是否公正我坦白講這個是人的問題 |
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那當然說可以用條文或是規定來去把這個降到最低可是同樣的你可能還是要記得目前來講全國民眾對於許多的司法介入還甚至許多的相關的這種的外力的介入那影響到各種的判決 |
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不管在司法上其實人民對於整體司法改革他還是有很大的一個不信任所以說今天來講在提出軍事審判法的一個調整的時候是不是真的能夠解決這個問題那同時過去九年為什麼不提 |
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那我在當初在爭議這個事情的時候為什麼不提而是現在提那因應暫時是需要那沒關係這個就如你所說那我想要接著請教一下那外交部長林昭榮林部長那他也在今天的出席名單那部長有在嗎今天是次長代理那次長在那林昭榮部長是有在這個名單上面那今天請教時間暫停特別跟郵委員報告一下外交部長今天要接待外賓有遞請假單 |
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我們直接看秀的這個提案大家直接有提到林佳龍委員現在的部長過去也有提出軍事審判法第一條的修正那那個都是在黃中秋事件那時候所提出的那部長如果有在的話大家有想請教一下部長他的看法以及他現在對於這個案子的時候他是持什麼樣的一個角度那就不用請次長回答,謝謝 |
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OK 那接著就不用請市長回答啦這是曾哲琳教授部長本人他所提案來詢問的部分那我們直接來再問一些接著民生大家非常關心的這個五一勞動節 |
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那是不是能夠放假這個其實過去能夠大家一直在討論院長一定也有評估過那市長請那想請教那個洪森漢部長要不要上來那想請教一下那這個議題那大家其實許多的 |
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五一勞動節勞工放假但是許多的公務人員或者是包括教育人員他們沒有放假所以就會變成帶小孩就會有出現這個問題那大家都一直在討論也一直在期待五一勞動節能放假那今天院長要不要跟大家宣布一下是不是今年的五一勞動節大家可以放假也讓造福大家這些許多的各行各業的家長依照現在紀念日 |
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及節日施行辦法當初在決定的時候在審定的時候有一個附帶決議他就說國定的假日加起來要115到116天那我們現在是達到這個上限當然時空是不一樣的社會環境會不好我本來就有預期你會這麼回覆 |
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時空會不同條件會不同如果社會大家認為有一天的放假會讓社會等大家在效率等等會提高而且變動會最少我們會願意聽聽大家的意見這個已經討論了相當多年了因為這個討論相當多年但是我們總是期待今年能夠有一個不一樣的結果 |
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因為這個假日是勞工放 本來就是要感謝勞工 人事長說明一下我知道 那我想知道的答案就是今年可不可以放所以說那個相關的建議其實院長都知道所以我是想要直接就教院長今年的五一勞動節會不會做一個放假的宣示我們公布的行事曆裡面是沒有放假的那明年的話會不會往這個方向放 |
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我們明年的話會不會宣示希望往五一勞動節的方向能夠放假的部分來努力這個我想包括人事長因為有院長的宣示會比較有效勞動部或人事總署的部分他們還是沒有辦法代表行政院的態度我們可以做幕僚分析啦事實上以勞動節來講的話現在是勞工放假那一天他們也可以利用那個 |
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那其實就最主要是家長他們其實還是會遇到小孩子的問題那需要帶所以說有沒有可能能夠往五一勞動節作為放假日的方向來努力請部長說明一下吳聰說明一下現在五一勞動節目前適用勞基法的勞工是無放假的我勞工畢竟出身的對所以我說就勞工本身的勞務所管的勞務本身現在是有放假的部長你還是沒有辦法回答五一勞動節到底有沒有可能來做放假日 |
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在實施週休二日之後其實我們對整個放假的制度已經在一個制度化裡面去運行了也運行這麼多年所以並沒有所謂要再回復到那個時代的幾天放假的問題但是我們達到一百一十五、一百一十六這當然可以討論社會只要認為變動最小、成本最小而且符合全國一致性今年跟明年還是沒有答案 |
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我們可以討論,如果他變動小、成本小、全國一致性大家都能夠有共識,我們希望能夠討論大家的期待當然是希望放假但沒關係啦,我們直接來接個就教啦我們跟委員多多的請教來接個就教,就是預算中心的報告指出台電公司預計114年度發電燃料費加113年度減少351.46億,減幅7.96 |
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目前來講台電給出的預算顯示發電燃料成本是下降的我想直接就叫院長在目前來講我們知道很多能源配比的問題當然部長也來陪同今年有沒有可能不要調漲電價 |
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台電在惡霧戰爭之前在那個時候費用漲價很多但現在有稍微平緩但是我們現在考慮他的財政的結構是因為他過去幾年用了很多的補貼的需求所以他付出了很多對其他事業的這個補貼那今年的話有沒有可能能夠不要調漲 |
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1558.012 |
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1581.665 |
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它是虧損的,我們如果先把它的產業...過去也補了兩千億,也補了五百億那在今年那麼多產業行業受到影響今年有沒有可能能夠基於穩定物價照顧民生而今年不要調漲,或者是不往調漲的方向邁進報告委員,我們過去因為戰爭或者材料調漲 |
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1583.311 |
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1598.734 |
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我們大概吸收了六千億所以事實上過去的撥補並沒有那麼高所以他現在還存有這些東西部長我直接跟您請教這些我其實都理解但是我們會來努力但是條價與否這個是由電價省委員他們來決定的 |
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1609.016 |
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1633.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
所以我們會努力我們台電自己會努力部長我知道你也努力了那我直接提一下上次其實你也提到一句這個部分院長也是很重要的因素我就不把原話再翻一次那希望院長能夠往穩定物價不調漲的方式來努力穩定物價反應成本還有這個節約能源將來必須使用者付費這個都是原則但是這個原則只會交到電價審議委員會 |
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1635.054 |
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1657.647 |
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去做審議 我知道 可是我們在這裡決定好 沒關係 所以上次有提到院長你當演員很重要的角色那原話我不說好不好 那我直接再接著就叫這個醫護人員相關這個護理人員啊 那目前來講在我們看到白班津貼研擬一年 那目前的進展 |
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1658.447 |
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1668.115 |
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還有社會各界也都在期待那想就教一下這個白板津貼未來的一個發布跟性質補貼那是有一個宣示或是有一個回應 |
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1677.999 |
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1704.609 |
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法務委員我們護理人員的切口我們有推動十二項策略從他的教考信用增加的那個直接回津貼的部分就可以了直接回相關護理人員津貼的部分未來的方向為何就好津貼的部分我們當然是除了創造更好的工作環境以外在待遇方面我們特別很清楚的來增加 |
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1720.724 |
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那個護理會特別是急重症跟一般急症病房我們最近昨天才通過醫院的一個總額的協商我們將會增加的大概42億來增加護理會我相信這個對於那個 |
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1723.107 |
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1743.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
護理的一個待遇會增加很多這樣可以喔那最主要是護理的也非常的辛苦啊那所以說希望說在中央政府部分能夠重視他們非常辛苦的一個內容也穩定他們這個職場場域他們能夠盡可能能夠減少流動那同時再補充之前急診護理就是醫務超載那轉院困難 |
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1746.167 |
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1774.167 |
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那發生了許多悲劇啊那希望未來在部內這邊也能夠持續針對目前來講急診室病房病床數不足的一個問題還來去做一個改善有沒有一個簡短的回應是的除了改善各個醫事人員的工作環境增加應有急重症的醫事人員的津貼以外我們在對針對病人方面特別是在急診跟病床急診病床的一個調配 |
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1775.131 |
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1792.194 |
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我們當然也請院方能夠做靈活的調併那部長我是希望說在這個許多患者他們因為病床患者的家屬是心急如焚那這個問題是一定要特別的重視我們會全力以赴來解決這個問題 |
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1793.055 |
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1806.951 |
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那最後就是剛才院長有提到團結那我在想這個團結在過去的一年到今年我們是看到的是許多的撕裂那如果說在許多的重大議題 |
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1808.032 |
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1828.419 |
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那在行政院法扮演一個重要的角色各位應該是要能夠積極主動的來讓朝野之間能夠做調和我相信重新思考應該能夠有比較好的結果啦那不然就不會發生這個大惡霸那我們都要堅定的不要讓貧窮跟戰爭留給下一代我們需要是和平發展才是真正團結謝謝 |
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1837.007 |
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報議會我們本日排定 |