| IVOD_ID |
159187 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159187 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-14T10:32:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-14T11:03:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c41c7866a52398a9dd296ee5d1bba88769f2953f6d3be0947db518ab5281cebfa2dab58134a338c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:39 - 11:03:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長我們是不是有請卓院長還有顧立雄部長麻煩請卓院長備詢請國防部長備詢院長好院長你昨天有參與總統所召開的官會嗎 |
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不知道你還記不記得你當時在洪仲秋案的時候你要幫他平反你當時還高喊就是我們絕對不允許軍法復辟就是當時是廢除了整個整個修法是廢除了軍事審判那這個當時呢軍事法庭他們曾經要釋憲的時候你還高喊絕對不允許軍法復辟 |
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你當時喊得這麼大聲是要捍衛洪仲秋的軍中人權你說要捍衛許許多多在軍中這一些好朋友他們的人權請問您背棄了你的價值了嗎今天賴總統宣布要恢復軍事審判請問他是不是有背於你當時所主張的價值跟理念 |
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跟委員報告過去的軍事審判確實有違反憲法而且不被人民信任的這樣子的一個情況 |
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所以我的見解並沒有改變過去的軍事審判確實是那現在有改變了嗎現在也沒有改變啊這十年來有做任何的改變嗎接下來我當然要盡我個人最大的努力確保我們重新開機的軍事審判制度會跟過去的制度是不一樣的我們要確保公平審判我們要確保合乎正當法律程序的原則那你的方案出來了嗎 |
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方案如果還沒有出來賴總統就已經高喊要恢復軍事審判那就是不是先設箭再劃靶他已經決定要恢復了 |
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我們現在正在全盤的檢討修正軍事審判法那相關的配套措施比如說過去被詬病的這個軍法官的身份保障會被容易外部干預這個部分我們就要訂定軍法官人事條例然後呢也要訂定軍事法院的組織法提到法律的慰藉那軍事檢察署的組織法也要提到法律的慰藉 |
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如果說修法就可以完成這些事項為什麼當年2013年的時候你那麼的堅持一步都不讓絕對要廢止軍事審判因為你不相信軍中他的這個官官相互的文化會有所改變 |
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當時你是非常非常堅定的絲毫寸步不讓這個大家印象也非常的深刻但是你現在又說透過修法其實可以改善如果透過修法可以改善我記得當時國防部法務部也提出相關的說法他們也可以改善但是我記得是你當時並沒有給他們任何的機會你也絕對不可行 |
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所以當時在民進黨的主導底下我想柯總召也在現場當時民進黨立院黨團包括這個顧立雄律師包括我們今天的外交部部長林佳王部長他當時是立法委員因為洪仲丘事件發生在台中市 |
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你們的態度是寸步不讓你們認為這是最好的改革這是進步的改革我今天要問的是如果當時能堅持這樣的一個價值跟理想覺得這個是最進步的象徵那今天我們軍中的人權是要倒退走了嗎你們當時捍衛軍中人權喊的正天尬響今天總統一句話你們就完全退讓 |
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當總統提出這樣的一個恢復精神制度的時候你都沒有任何意見嗎你沒有表達反對嗎你沒有把你當時的堅持跟理想都說出來嗎 |
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跟委員報告齁如果您去看現在的軍事審判法他並沒有完全廢除軍事審判制度的存在可能性也就是說呢平時是沒有的啊他平時是完全廢除的但是他暫時要恢復那麼平時如果我們不做好全盤的修正的規劃將軍事審判制度來合乎一個公平法院的設計的話到了暫時 |
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我們如何憑空出現一個可以兼顧人權真實發見然後能夠兼顧軍情的維護這樣的一個審判制度當你是人權律師的時候你怎麼沒有考慮到當時的國防部也這樣告訴你啊也有法務部也有這樣的聲音啊但是你們的價值跟主張就說這個完全不需要考慮就是一般的司法絕對會優於現在的軍事審判這個才是對人權最大的保障這是你們的堅持 |
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當 我想 我現在沒有 我沒有變 我的見解沒有變就是說 我已經講過了我們現在要重新打造的一個軍事審判制度是符合一個公平法院設計的審判制度而要揮別過去那一段 |
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被人詬病、不被人信任的軍事審判這一點是重新開機、重新打造而不是恢復過去的那樣的軍事審判過去的國防部長主張的時候你們就認為他通通做不到他還是會關關相護這個是不可能的 |
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為什麼到你當部長的時候你就覺得這個可以這個就是著是今非嗎接下來我要講的我想這個你的立場的轉變大家也看得非常的清楚我要問我們卓院長事實上我們現在的軍事審判制度只有到暫時的時候才會啟動當總統一宣布恢復軍事審判的時候是不是宣告我們要進入準戰爭的狀態 |
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報告委員 並非如此當年廢除軍事審判著重的是國內的內在因素針對凌虐產生的對軍人的權我們現行的法條是這樣子嘛只有暫時才可以啟動恢復軍事審判嘛那當總統這樣宣告的時候為什麼今天這個都上了頭版很多民眾的感覺就是我們現在的法定是這樣子講 |
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暫時我們才啟動這個軍事審判所以當總統這樣一宣告的時候給人家的感覺就是那我們要進入準戰爭狀態了嗎所以各方面就是異於平時我們要做更好的準備是這樣子嗎我說當年是因為內在的因素今天是有外來的威脅我們多少的現役軍人因為不當的被利用被教守 |
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而且被不同的條件被不同的人來引誘做了一些不利於國家的事情這來自外來的威脅不同於當年的內在威脅內在的因素從此我們現在也會加強軍法官人事的條例就軍法官他能夠成為一個更有法律程序完全訓練人權教育完全訓練的一個人事條例這樣一來我們只對 |
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特定的對象現役軍人特定的軍事犯罪行為包括叛亂利敵洩密廢棄植物抗命五大行為的軍事犯罪特定對象特定行為而不是 |
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停戰之分只是這些現役軍人我們不容許國家國人不容許他們有違背對國家忠誠義務的時候才會啟動當然我們不允許這樣子的一個情況發生但是當時修這個廢掉軍事審判平常時候完全絕對不能啟用的就是民進黨所以今天你們必須面對的就是著是今非這樣的一個問題大家都不知道你們立場為什麼做這麼大的一個 |
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轉變喔另外一個就是昨天總統所宣告的這十七項事實上讓人民感覺到他的言論自由他的行動自由他的兩岸交流受到了很大的心理上的威脅因為用一些不確定的概念就是要來指控只要今天交流你可能就是中共同路人這一個部分 |
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若並非如此民間我要告訴院長是民間的感受現在就是如此因為我們列出來這17項通通都是限縮包括文化的包括教育的包括青年求學的甚至是連民意代表中央幾個地方的民意代表全部過去沒有管制的現在都要管制甚至是觀光業者也大跳腳就是 |
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現在要去大陸旅遊的通通都要登陸報備那觀光業者也直接告訴你們啦如果這樣就宣布戒嚴就好了就說兩岸不交流就好了不用大費周章直接就說那從此以後我不贊成大家就是兩岸交流兩岸交流從此可能會中斷這樣宣布是比較乾脆一點但是無論是旅遊、觀光、訪問、宗教活動把人帶到中國大陸去 |
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卻沒有帶回來留在那邊的人難道政府一點都不需關心嗎當然要關心啊比例有很高嗎要音樂廢死嗎只是因為幾個案例然後就去阻礙了一般正常的交流嗎案例已經相當多了有多少來請說包括一貫道包括其他的宗教團體總共有多少案例來請報告這個我們會會後給是我們目前在中國大陸跟我們來舉報的案件我們加總結有71件 |
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它的人身安全它被中國大陸是累計的還是每一年有71件從去年2024年到現在有71件包括這是那相較以往多少那相較於一年200萬人次的交流請問這個比例是高還是低 |
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不能用比例來看任何一個國人我們都需要關心的那我覺得院長不如你們就宣布說民進黨現在由賴總統主政其實是反對兩岸交流的這樣宣布真的比較快不要讓大家模擬兩可了在列十七項的話我覺得這個是大家就是多做功而已啦其實是真的就直接講說兩岸就是主張不交流了啦我真的覺得這樣比較快啦這場健康有序的交流是我們在推動的 |
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但你們現在是大幅限縮也不算健康現在要交流很心生恐懼因為很容易就被戴上一個紅帽子宗教大概沒有辦法自由的交流學術交流也說你這樣可能是有問題的都會被抑制你這樣是言過其實我們反而是推動健康有序的正常交流去風險化去 |
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怎麼去風險化你現在跟大陸都不交流到那邊的你也都愛莫能助啊現在你說70幾個你也沒有辦法去救人啊 |
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那你怎麼去風險化現在的入委會是完全沒有功能的欸 主委真的很抱歉 我必須這樣子講入委會是要促進兩岸人民的相互之間的交流 你才有業務如果不交流 其實根本上你就沒有業務啊其實我們的組織應該要重新好好思考一下 要不要改造一下 |
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我想請卓院長好好思考昨天賴總統他這樣子宣告之後對於整個台灣社會人心所產生的衝擊效應是什麼我剛講的不是危言聳聽真的大家心裡會覺得台灣是準備要打仗了嗎 |
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民間這股聲音已經出來了如果治國我們是要安定民心的話事實上你們這樣一個做法我只能說其實還蠻不治的引起民心的騷亂接下來我要問另外一個重要能源的議題這個3月5號在政大國安中心那他們也舉辦了一場兵推TTS區域的兵推這一場兵推請問這個左院長有掌握嗎知道嗎 |
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這個階段兵推我沒有參加那這個部長有掌握嗎我想這個是民間所進行的一個你們國防部也沒掌握民間舉辦的你們應該要掌握這其中他特別提到他的兵推裡面他下的幾個參數 |
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他裡面跑出來的發現台灣能源風險係數高達0.99呈現了一個緊急的狀態而那場兵推當中AIT的前處長司徒文他其實也有參與他提出來的指引說台灣明明電力缺口其他國家都積極的擁抱核電為什麼民進黨政府對於核電有所排斥 |
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而兵推結論的建議說台灣應該參考日本及韓國核能政策立即重啟既有核電廠提升電力系統的穩定及效率請問院長你對於這樣的一個兵推的結果這樣的一個建言你有什麼樣的看法 |
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任何團體經過它嚴謹的程序所做出來的建議我想政府都應該列為重要的參考但是我們也會反覆的去檢驗它內部這個結果所呈現出來的這個資訊如果我們認為政府應該有調整的空間我們會樂於跟大家來做溝通所以院長你的態度是開放的嗎就是說對於這樣的一個結論你的態度是開放的嗎你個人有沒有排斥核電 |
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你個人有沒有排斥核電核電現在不是個人的問題是在我們法律規定下它是一個我們在法律規定下如果說今天我們的能源風險已經危及到我們的國安了前面你說恢復軍事審判是因為國安危及到國安那如果今天已經有兵推的結果告訴你台灣的能源風險高達0.99呈現一種緊急狀態 |
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我們要繼續反核嗎我們要繼續非核嗎還是國家安全比較重要在這樣的一個節骨眼我們應該以國家安全為優先我們的所謂的非核政策也可以考慮轉彎也可以考慮修改 |
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我們在環境基本法裡面國家朝非核家園邁進這個是法律的規定可以修啊剛剛部長也說要修軍神法路徑很多那現在我們採取的是以發展多元綠能以及增加儲能增加各種方式節能來走向我們這個路徑那至於未來新的核能技術如果成熟發展台灣願意跟各國來接受這種先進科技的共同討論 |
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研究甚至我們進一步來做各種的規劃所以院長你不排除核能這個選項嗎在我們的能源的多元能源裡面有沒有完全排除核能這個選項如果它能夠保障安全 核安的安全能夠沒有核廢料的處理而且社會上大家都普遍的共識我們當然願意跟新的核能技術來做更多的討論跟研發 |
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所以我們不用繼續擁抱非核家園以台灣現在我們的處境我們是獨立的島嶼然後在這樣的一個天然資源相對匱乏的情況底下我們還希望我們的台積電不要去美國多留在台灣我們的能源供應穩定一直是一個大問題 |
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所以這一題如果你們前面在軍事審判上面立場做這麼大的一個轉彎為什麼非核這個議題不能轉彎我們是開放討論的如果有核安的保障有必要的時候可以使用核能對不對 |
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有核安的保障沒有核廢料處理的困難社會有共同的共識我們都願意開放討論接受新核能技術的共同討論那未來如果立法院現在有相關的法案有關於核子反應器設施管制法的修法請問行政院您的書面報告意見是要贊成還是反對還是不置可否尊重立法院的決定 |
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大院通過的法律沒有違背憲法的精神破壞五院的體制而能夠充分的討論民主的表決認可出來的行政院該遵守我們會尊重立法院所以你們不會表達反對的立場對不對對不起你不會表達反對的立場行政院不會表態反對核子反應器設施管制法的修法讓核三廠再研議如果這個在草原 |
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大院草野內部的協商我們沒有表示意見但如果來問巡視院的意見我們看草野協商的內容如何我們再一起討論 |
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好我希望這個院長你應該拿出你的高度喔能源的問題其實沒有政黨之分他真的是為了國家的永續發展就是怎麼樣是一個穩定的能源選項所以在這一題方面我真的覺得非核家園可以退散了就是現在全世界沒有人在談非核都在談減碳 |
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這個經濟部長應該也很清楚所以在符合世界潮流的趨勢底下加上美方已經多次的提醒連兵推前AIC處長都直白的講他不知道為什麼台灣不要使用核電都講得這麼大白話了我覺得我們的政策應該到了應該要去調整跟轉彎的時候希望到時候如果有相關的修法行政院可以拿出你的態度不應該是繼續的來阻擋 |
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1142.623 |
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接下來我要問一個這個五月世界衛生大會又即將要召開了院長你知道嗎川普他一當選之後他就說他要退出世界衛生組織然後現在聯合國也已經證實了明年的1月22號美國正式退出WHO |
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1144.41 |
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1164.93 |
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過去我們說我們希望重返WHO我們希望拿到門票可以去開會但是這個消息傳出來我覺得對我們來講是一個非常不利的訊號當我們最強大的盟友美國都要退出WHO的時候 |
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1167.633 |
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1186.371 |
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請問將來在裡面誰要幫台灣發聲誰要幫台灣建言說讓我們有機會再拿到門票重返世衛的大門是不是美國退出之後我們沒有機會重返世界衛生大會我們那個門再也進不去了 |
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我國一直很積極的想要設法參與任何正式的國際社會的組織即使在目前政治環境下我們也認為有意義的參與是我們最少要達到的目標那麼在任何的國際組織裡面我們都還有我們的盟友盟邦可以幫我們 |
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1207.336 |
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1228.11 |
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但是這個院長容我提醒你我們的友邦從2019年16個友邦現在已經掉到2024年只剩下11個友邦了我們的朋友真的也越來越少了那少了美國這個超級好朋友之後我們的力量會越來越薄弱我要問的是那我們的因應方案是什麼我們的因應策略對策到底是什麼 |
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1251.017 |
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首先我國的公共衛生體系一樣是得到世界各國的肯定在這個情況底下我想我們會爭取更多即使是非我們的盟邦能夠共同在這個立機點上替我們發出正大的聲音台灣參與對國際組織是有利的對全球的公共衛生體系是有利的 |
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1251.397 |
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1265.404 |
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那麼具體的措施之前我們都有很多的宣達團會有很多的工作要做你們還沒有研擬相關的措施吧有嗎外交部有方案嗎衛福部有方案嗎這個訊息你們有看見嗎報告委員我們參與世界委員組織美國當然是我們最重要的門邦 |
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1271.308 |
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1298.272 |
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那第二大在世界衛生組織貢獻最大的在財務上是德國那歐洲歐盟各國在這邊都有非常大的貢獻其實我們參與世界衛生組織我們已經可以聽到很多次像法國像德國不斷在表達支持台灣的有意義參與所以其實強化目前外交部的方案是強化跟歐洲這些在世界衛生組織有強大的影響次長我就指擺了位今年五月 |
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請問在世衛大會裡面會積極幫我們發聲的會有幾個國家會有幾個盟友這是我們現在正在努力的但我們確認我們絕對會有民主國家或是歐洲國家一定會發聲支持我們會比去年更多嗎現在我們正在努力當中因為這還是有一段時間這就是外交部現在正在做的事情 |
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我想這個部分大概次長也不敢給出任何的承諾跟保證我只是要讓院長跟部長們看到我們的國際局勢也沒有我們想像的那麼好特別是川普上任之後他有他自己的政策主張 |
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1357.25 |
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他不見得一些國際組織他要繼續待在裡面如果我們仰賴的是美國的力量的話那我們恐怕還要再去思考要再去多爭取其他的盟友更加大力量我們在國際上面我們想要再繼續加入一些國際組織可能才有希望要不然連美國自己都退出了 |
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我們哪有什麼力量可以加入這個情境對我們來講其實是很險峻的我希望大家上緊發條知道在國際局勢上面並沒有我們自己想像的那麼的穩定這個部分真的是請我們的外交團隊要多努力接下來我要問的是謝謝委員我覺得我們的國際情勢當然不是那麼的順暢但最大的障礙是來自中國而不是幫我們的人是阻擋我們的人才是我們最大的對手 |
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他的挑戰一直都在這個是我們早就知道的所以我們自己要想辦法再去做更大的突破當民進黨政府選擇跟對岸持續對立的時候這個狀況只會更糟不會更好所以這個就是你們要有心理準備的接下來我要講的是我們的觀光我們的觀光出入人次逆差達到899萬 |
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1413.694 |
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1414.478 |
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產值的逆差高達6,922億 |
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1442.659 |
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這個部分呢觀光部訂下了千萬的觀光人士來台灣但是2024年還是沒有打到這個部分我不會責怪交通部因為交通部已經非常努力了他們在外國人來到台灣的部分也有一些的增加那這當中呢其實缺的是什麼 入客 |
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1443.905 |
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1471.801 |
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其實大家可以看到雖然我們現在這個兩岸很緊張這個賴政府可能覺得陸客來不來沒有什麼關係我讓你看看鄰近國家是怎麼做的新加坡他們也有自己的獨立自主但是他沒有抗拒陸客他讓陸客來我二月份才去訪問新加坡我看到了他們的欣欣向榮他們整個經濟力的提升那因為他採取的是一個開放策略 |
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1472.501 |
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1489.289 |
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所以新加坡的入客觀光人數是佔他們的觀光的第一名然後產值將近1700億我們寧靜的日本日本跟大陸的關係也沒有很好但是日本入客的觀光人士高達 |
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1493.469 |
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1508.739 |
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689萬然後也佔了3000多億的觀光產值台灣呢台灣我們進入客團所以呢我們來的入客觀光人數呢43萬然後我們的產值大概只有200億 |
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1510.467 |
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1512.828 |
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過去台灣也曾經有這個入客達到3000消費產值的情況那現在很慘只剩下這個三四十萬那觀光業者一再請命希望說這個 |
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1526.293 |
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1542.02 |
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進入客團可不可以不要再進了但是昨天賴總統宣告這個兩岸的多項限制政策之後我想這個觀光業者應該可以死心了入客團應該從此不會來台灣了吧 |
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1546.102 |
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1558.583 |
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這個陸委會主委是不是可以大膽預言昨天這樣的一個政策宣告兩岸關係更緊張所以不要想陸客團來台灣這件事情了這個觀光業者可以不用再陳情了浪費時間 |
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1560.288 |
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1577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
跟委員報告有關於入客來台我們政府主張先透過觀光小兩會就旅遊的安全品質跟穩定性以及它的公平性先來做溝通然後再來做開放 |
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1578.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1593.023 |
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我們也希望陸方趕快有回應就如同我們現在對於陸客來台我們國人有非常多不同的意見我們施作民調也有百分之超過七成的人支持政府的作為相對的 |
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1594.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1618.276 |
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主委你有做民調是不是你那份民調什麼時候做的可不可以把民調提供給我辦公室好不好也提供給媒體你說有七成的民眾反對你說七成的民眾反對陸克萊才不是 不是反對支持政府透過小兩會把應該要商定的部分講好溝通完再來開放國人是支持政府的作為 |
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1619.5 |
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1646.533 |
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沒有做過這樣的一個民調所以你覺得你現在的路線是正確的就繼續堅持小兩會當然我們也會做很多的社會溝通跟業者展現政府的作為是跟他們站在一起的維護整體整個國人的安全有業者也都支持我們到現在官方業者對外發表的意見都是政府在阻擋啊他們在鼓舞哀求啊部分只有少數人 |
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1647.153 |
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1667.663 |
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大部分的業者都支持政府的作為跟立場因為唯有這樣才能把過去光光一點零的亂象降到最低你不要活在自己的世界裡面了沒有 我們都是跟業者保持密切的溝通你自我感覺非常良好讓我嚇出一身冷汗了你跟民意脫節其實非常的嚴重啊 |
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1668.203 |
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1680.296 |
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那我想問一下觀光部的部長你接觸到的業者觀光署這邊接觸到的業者是希望就是陸委會堅持到底然後都不要鬆動也不要開放然後讓陸客團都不要來台灣是這樣子嗎業者都很滿意 |
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1683.9 |
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1699.133 |
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報告委員其實所有的業者都希望入客如果來台灣能夠有序以外要有品質所以我們一直希望有品質的狀況底下希望小兩會好好的去談未來入客來台灣之後要怎麼保障入客的權益讓他們住好的飯店有好的旅途的這個過程 |
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1700.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1702.675 |
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那你們現在談的結果是一個陸客團都不來啊好不容易蔣萬安市長幫你們鋪了一條路藉由海峽論壇 藉由這個城市交流然後呢好不容易上海他們也說他們可以組團來結果就是不接求啊 陸委會強硬到底啊 |
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1723.926 |
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1732.815 |
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該接的球不接然後就讓他掉到地上然後呢繼續喊說我們已經堅持小兩會我們是不希望民眾說斷就斷說停就停但是我要告訴大家的是請以民生為念請以人民為念 |
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1741.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1766.274 |
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有多少的觀光業者他們現在是嗷嗷待哺他們需要這樣的生意你知道過去他們可以來的時候像我現在在跑嘉義縣過去阿里山是他們會去的那邊的茶農他會買茶葉他會去餐廳消費現在阿里山我們雖然榮登全國這全世界最值得來觀光的地方但是它的來客人數下降啊為什麼 |
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1768.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1772.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
少了過去大陸客他們來的消費跟觀光這人是回不去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1774.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1800.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那怎麼辦當地人民的生活怎麼辦不是只堅持你想堅持的講你想講的我覺得所有的官員今天為官知道是你要服務人民而人民要什麼這個就是你的政策應該去思考的嘛不是這個死板板一塊嘛你看人家日本他現在要對陸客發放簽證新開放的有效期限是10年的旅遊簽證即使他們 |
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1801.155 |
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1824.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
跟大陸的關係沒有那麼好但是在商言商可以賺入客的錢為什麼不賺呢新加坡也是這樣子所以新加坡他們現在GDP比我們高啊人家現在收入比我們高因為該賺的錢還是得賺我覺得這個才是讓人民過上好生活我希望這個院長跟部長你們可以把人民的利益永遠好 謝謝王玉民委員的資訊謝謝左院長以及各部會長 |