| IVOD_ID |
159181 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159181 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T13:03:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T13:12:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770ff92b5fb2c2c63ca12f58198bcf8270c188825f5f1b5925b9e766b101dd82558b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:03:32 - 13:12:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長劉世芳、經濟部、交通部、金融監督管理委員會、台灣電力股份有限公司就「公寓大廈裝設電動車輛充電裝置之相關法令、國家標準、建築設計、管理維護、火災預防措施及相關保險類別與要保人之認定」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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我馬上先請內政部次長董事長有請委員好這樣 本來以為部長會來這個次長我不知道你是不是主管這個業務但是不是的話也請你反映一下因為我們都知道地政司有一個業務叫地級異動即時通是這個業務當時前部長林佑昌他拿這個東西拿來推廣 宣傳 |
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就是說因為有這個業務的關係所以我們主柵很多嘛有一些譬如說有一些獨居老人他可能被其他人偽造遺囑然後房產就被過戶了那後來就是因為有這個吉時通的業務那因為吉時通你必須要登錄本人或者是朋友的 |
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的資料所以只要有任何的地級的異動甚至於從掛件開始相關的人等就可以收到簡訊那如果他這是一個詐騙案的話很快就就可以提高警覺把這個問題把它解決阻詐成功那我也列了一些這個即時通阻詐的成功案例包括 |
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怎麼有一個地面師地面師的騙局啊然後一些很多老翁的騙局都是靠這個地級異動即時通來阻詐所以我們是很支持這個東西但是我們不曉得說現在內政部有沒有在推動這個地級異動即時通因為昨天我們辦公室詢問地政司好像也不太知道說到目前為止有多少人申請那我們現在得到的數據是網路上查的是比較舊的他是說 |
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到112年9月為止是15萬人那請問一下次長你有最新的數據嗎 |
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我們來瞭解一下我想申請的人數是很多啦那也跟委員報告說那個相關的主詐的狀況非常感謝委員這邊列出來其實我們主詐的金額也都非常的高因為這些不動產的案件他的詐騙金額其實都很高那一個案件動輒就是千萬甚至上億對這我都知道我現在是問說第一個你們有沒有在推廣這個東西因為你們連那個 |
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使用的人數都沒有的話代表說你並沒有把人數成長當作一個KPI嘛所以你就不會推廣嘛因為你一定是定一個目標去推廣才會達到那個目標嘛所以我希望說內政部既然這個東西很好那系統內政部也先預算建置了把他推廣出去啦我相信很多人可能都不知道這件事情都不知道說對 可能後續再推廣一下第二個來也請國土署署長一起我來問一下那個租屋補助的 |
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問題首先一個問題是我們那邊里長反映的要反映說因為國土署有擴大租金補貼專案買個300億的是有把一些無房屋稅籍的未保存的登記建築物也有納入房屋補助的範圍但是因為 |
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他有一些比如說是頂樓加蓋或什麼之類的所以要申請租屋補貼的人他要去提供一個竊結書證明有居住的事實然後相關的辦法裡面也提到說如果本人沒辦法提供的話得請村里長 |
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來開這個里長的證明那在那邊在我們那邊就有一些里長反應就是說他怎麼知道這個人到底有沒有居住事實里長雖然常常在里長裡內活動可是里長的工作也很繁忙如果還要內政部還要把這個業務交給里長叫他每天去看說有沒有住 |
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其實對他們來說是一個很大的負擔所以有一再反應啦一再反應那當然內政部也有講說沒有那是德啦那是德啦所以里長也可以不用理他可是大家知道里長他服務里民絕對不會絕對不會說因為是德所以他就跟那個找他幫忙的人說你自己開就好那這個里長一定會被罵所以這其實是給里長一個壓力所以是不是可以從這個辦法裡面直接就修掉就好嘛本人直接竊竊就好啦為什麼一定要叫里長來開證明呢 |
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感謝委員其實的確有一些地方政府都有來反映這個因為我們當時是希望里長不是證明這個有沒有住這裡而是證明這個房屋地址在不在房屋地址在不在那有些里長現在的困擾是這樣因為有些房東不太不太希望人家知道他到底有沒有租所以他可能一排房屋登記好幾個門號但是他外面用一個大門鐵門把它鎖起來 |
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然後他要去拜託他讓他進去他不讓他進去所以現在里長的困擾我知道收到的時候里長的困擾你遇到房東不讓你進去他也不曉得怎麼辦 |
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那所以這一點其實我們都有定期在跟地方政府檢討那目前新北台中大概都有提出這個問題那你們要怎麼解決那我們現在就是第一個當然這個德齁因為部分地方政府也是覺得因為里長的確可以做這件事啦尤其大概是非六都都會認為里長沒有問題 |
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所以這個部分我們可能會在這個責任上會盡量再把里長的角色再降低不要讓他承擔太多責任不是里長會覺得說你就算白紙黑字寫的里長沒有責任但是里長還是擔心嘛其實我覺得根本知道應該你就把這個收掉就好了嘛因為里長在市長的行動治理也都有提出這個方案但是大家的講法都卡在內政部啦 |
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所以其實內政部修掉就什麼事情都沒有了而且剛剛署長也講得很好啊你都了解里長的困境啊對啦 最大問題是遇到房東不願意讓他進去他又不知道怎麼辦自愛難行行政機關最喜歡講的自愛難行所以就把這個修掉好不好 你看 |
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看看是不是在一個月內啦我們在努力 一個月內把它修另外一個是這個年輕人關注的也是租屋補租的問題有一個案例他是之前申請都OK但後來發現說不行因為他租的地方是商辦 |
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但是這個然後就被追回但是我覺得這個衍生出一個問題是實際上有些人他們去租房子他不太清楚那個地方到底是不是商辦還是什麼工業區還是什麼東西他就覺得那就是租屋所以他就住了住了一段時間一開始申請結果住了半年之後被追回 |
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所以在網路上面很多年輕人都抱怨連連那這個我不知道國土署有沒有針對類似的案例有提出一些檢討改進應該這麼說啦因為我們後來其實在這個稅籍的部分你看你看那個醒吾科技大學學生說之前也看過好多通知繳回文章也有看到說是廠房當靠房租房客真的很衰小 |
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這個部分其實是涉及到所以讓年輕人很這其實是稅籍的問題但是房客不曉得嘛現在問題是房客不曉得我們後來有做一些放寬那當然現在可能就是商辦跟廠辦的部分因為這個問題比較嚴重因為違章它本身是只有單純稅籍的問題我們後來違章的部分也都先放寬 |
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但是廠辦跟商辦他涉及到就另外稅的問題那這個部分我就必須要找那個財政部這邊還要再溝通因為對他來講這是不同稅級的問題但是租屋補貼的用意是希望減輕年輕人負擔可是你現在把廠辦商辦排除的原因是因為他的稅級資料因為稅級是因為涉及到房東房東本身能不能作為這個公益出租人的條件我知道 |
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但那個應該跟我們當初租屋補貼的用意不符啦我們用意應該是要減輕年輕人的負擔所以不要因為說各單位的行政規定可能有一些矛盾或什麼之類我覺得這個是可以解決的問題所以是不是可以請國度署再研議一下把比如說商辦或者是廠辦的問題納入服務補助好不好我聽兩個問題其實再請國度署好不好提供一個看是什麼改善的報告給我們好不好好 謝謝 |
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謝謝葉元之委員我覺得要講可能是事務所跟工業宅這一部分我是覺得該課稅就課稅但是如果影響到房客是不太好這個請內政部多費心 |