| IVOD_ID |
15913 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15913 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024051401 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-15T11:31:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-15T13:06:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:34:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-05-15T12:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、社會福利及衛生環境委員會報告併案審查委員王育敏等19人、委員蘇清泉等28人及國民黨黨團分別擬具「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案」案。二、逕付二讀：委員謝衣鳯等21人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案」等2案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:50 - 13:06:00 |
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一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具 |
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一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育 |
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王育敏等19人及國民黨團分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及國民黨團分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及國民黨團分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及國民黨團分別擬具:「全民健 |
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王育敏等19人、委員 |
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蔡英文議員蔡英文議員蔡英文議員 |
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全共回來十本木半日。 |
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響鐘 |
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王育敏等19人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員楊瓔瓔等26人、委員 |
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主席主席主席 |
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王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境 |
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委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等26人、委員楊瓔 |
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一起去一起去買醉一下所以送你一杯真的買?欸好像該欸!該欸!我覺得我今天兩個人這樣講了半個小時我就說最後不是跟你講的叫儲球對棄真的欸我麥克風都給你不然吃我要跟那個那個章友講 |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具 |
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對,一個是你現在講的所謂的社會福利,那你想用的簽證讓人們負責,你又不能以病毒的症狀充分封鎖社會福利,所以這個事實上很不一樣。不過也不是很不一樣,基本上可以把兩邊的區域來講就是,我們所指的事實還是有在講,那關於我們這幾年經驗跟區域之間的不是相關的,其實是我們裡面需要的資源非常多,不是說要一個單位,因為我們都能夠說明,然後我們這部分必須要做。 |
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主席 |
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這時候我們可能是因此間的過渡到沈默病我們是經營所有事務的信任在立法院各組委員和委員的首長就任然後這時候我們根本就像居下海在這叫它一個建設性的堂堂對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對 |
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二、逕付二讀．委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．委員楊� |
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1301.525 |
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二、逕付二讀：委員謝衣鳯等21人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等21人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓔等21人 |
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一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等一、社會福利及衛生環境委員王育敏等一、社會福利及衛生環境委員 |
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這變成了政治徹底。 |
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委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具 |
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他也不是,真的沒有辦法做,因為他看出來也沒有資源啊,也沒有什麼作用,他後來刀木有種,就開始報告了,報告的時候他後來又再想一下,後來又開始做了,但想了以後他就不做了,所以他後來好像也就這樣做了,所以說實在真的是很厭惡。 |
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二、逕付二讀：委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具〈全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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主席主席 |
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響鐘 |
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蔡英文議員蔡英文議員 |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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蘇貞昌議員 |
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主席主席 |
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響鐘 |
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主席主席主席 |
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主席 |
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王育敏等19人、委員 |
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這個是黨團協商嘛,協商沒有成的話就是政府去表決這樣而已啊。對阿,沒什麼。這個新的執政團隊還沒有上啊。這很多都是政策決定。 |
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王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人、委員 |
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阿1.1塊錢也不是困難阿目標點子用1.1塊錢的開貨路以後,滿多在那邊困難阿那真的也是一個目標阿,而且是個rare topic阿現在我們的目標點子放0.95以後就放1阿不就好了我們從來不敢把目標定到1阿用1阿,阿目前還抓到1 |
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對阿,那天我有打電話給那個小律師阿,因為我知道你想要多開放一點,請稍微幫我寫個隱藏版。 |
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好啊好啊 |
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因為現在外面也是都在反映我們如果現在弄的話,人團會草變凶,整個案子會爛掉那所以先可能到行政院以後大家再做,因為它是一個政策決定所以我可能會反而決將我想得到就是 |
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司法部長 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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可是我沒有對外講,因為我有一點...我怕有時候丟出去,怕會出事讓部長猜嘛,反正說已經預告完了嘛,現在只是要重新申請反正等一下長不一樣子而已那外界有不同聲音嗎?我已經處理掉了,我先把外界的聲音分兩種嘛那天已經會議開完了,一個就是他講的有道理我們稍微修了一下他講的沒道理,然後他屬於國家政策決定的我把它擺在另外一邊,隱藏版就是我說的那一種 |
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新的團隊 |
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對,那到時候麵包頭反正約好之間因為還有各部會啊像國發會的主委啊什麼他們可能也有他們的想法他們可能請出來治理產業其實要修的不是民法是各自法的這個用途各自法管在一起因為歐盟都刊了不開哪有不限不許的民法還有問題這是內閣人都來治理產業界他們有想法 |
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他可以一案子綁三個附帶去?幾個怎麼可以?幾個怎麼可以? |
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1956.534 |
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主席 |
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嗯嗯,好。 |
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委員王育敏等19人、委員蘇清泉等28人 |
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那先介紹在場的委員及官員那在場的委員有陳昭之委員 |
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王振旭委員、盧秀芳委員、盧憲一委員、蘇清泉委員。我們介紹今天出席的官員有衛生福利部周志浩次長 |
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社會保險司劉玉娟司長中央健康保險署石崇良署長國家發展委員會人力發展處謝嘉怡處長行政院主席總處公務預算處廖玉琳專門委員基金預算處黃厚吉專門委員好謝謝大家那大家可以繼續用餐我們邊開會那現在就 |
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開始協商。我們在委員會其實已經有通過三案,就是審查完略的案子。那今天有逕付二讀的兩個案子。那針對這總共五案呢,這個我們看主管機關經過這一段時間,你們回去之後,那有沒有 |
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沈思到底在醫界的這些訴求當中那我們衛福部要怎麼樣來調整可以呼應醫界我們這些第一線的醫護人員真的非常的辛苦那醫院的經營也不是很容易 |
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那我們幾位委員提出來包括國民黨黨團提出來希望調高健保點子就是希望可以不要讓醫事人員付出的心力就是被打折或是我們這一些醫事服務被打折那所以經過這一段時間不曉得衛福部這邊是不是有調整了一些做法那我們是不是請次長可以跟大家先說明一下好不好來請謝謝 |
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主席及各位委員好那其實在這段時間的話我們也在思考這無論是上次的審查會或者是委員所辦的公聽會各界的一些的意見那的確我們到目前為止的話但的確還是在處理的過程當中這裡面覺得說如果照這幾個版本所提出來的這些的方案的時候在我們執行上是會有 |
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﹚立法院朝野黨團審查委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團審查委員王育敏等21人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團審查委員王育敏等21人分別擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案．事由．立法院朝野黨團審查委員王育敏等21人分別擬具:「全 |
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次長我先問一下就是說因為我們都知道賴總統他有提出健康台灣非常重要的一個政見 |
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〈全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案〉 |
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是不是要有一些增加財務的一些方案那這些到底有沒有在談啊就是我的意思就是說其實下禮拜賴總統就上任了那是健康論壇是健康論壇還是說健康論壇他會變成是一個上位的政策的引領要不然這個大家都賴總統要上任了那他自己的政見會不會變成是政策這個是大家關注的那這個到底目前的進度為何大家其實也很好奇 |
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委員報告一下那目前所提出來這些的這是健康台灣等等這些的看法的部分那現在已經是分交有相關的單位相關的司署已經交代相關的司署那針對這部分我們在政策上面有哪些是不是真的都可以執行然後也許需要的資源大概是哪一些現在都還在盤點當中這工作沒有暫緩下來 |
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2354.245 |
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那行政組織總署呢?有沒有? |
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2385.017 |
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2407.203 |
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基金預算處有沒有來講一下那個黃專門委員呢那一樣其實如同剛剛衛福部有提的啦你們接到指令嗎沒有,政策上並沒有還沒有指示啦沒有下達到基金預算處這裡只有衛福部有接收到你們要PASS出去啊用麥克風啦 |
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2411.104 |
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維福部研議階段 |
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行政組紀總署、基金預算處都沒有嗎?都還沒有接我的意思就是說只有你們在研議啦其他部會其實都還在看你們研議什麼在配合啦這裡面的話部分我們現在各司署現在在做研議那裡面的需要的經費多少我們必須要自內部再做一個討論之後如果真的需要他們幫忙的時候還會找他們來一起來做討論好了解好來那我們是不是請委員來表示一下意見 |
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2460.817 |
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黃秀芳委員蘇清泉委員 |
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2476.896 |
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蘇清泉委員 |
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這張就是曾經的大扁硬領我們做的聚會他們都K出來了就是說這兩年我們的平均移民已經落下來了 |
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我要向邵芳珠、趙薇說,我們這兩年平均移民檢查有兩回, |
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這兩回合的原因是什麼?當然我們這個健保的政策是什麼全世界最好啦那為什麼全世界最好?就是我們健保署像石崇良署長那麼優秀的他對健保跟對每一家醫院了若指掌哪一家醫院他要修理他他都很清楚但是他不會所以每個醫院每一個醫療院所看到石崇良就聞風上膽 |
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2596.158 |
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我告訴你,我們的醫療就是可敬性、公平性、又爽、但是要讓你知道的是,我們真的減了,減兩回,我告訴你這個又往下掉喔,我今天要去跟內政部要2023年的我們平均移民,我跟大家保證一定再往下掉,為什麼?因為我們的政府頭都不足。 |
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很方便、很便宜,那是累積在醫護人員的假象。王俊旭委員,大家也要愛人的癌症不夠錢。這事實的但是,他都不敢買,因為他都說不出來,因為他心裡就這樣,但是他就接著動,所以政策不配合又不行。所以我跟大家報告這個事情很嚴肅。 |
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癌症品質的下降、糖尿病等等的照顧、死亡率都增加,這個不能諱言。所以這一張,掉了將近兩歲,我們比韓國、日本、香港、澳門、新加坡都還差。這個你再不關心,我們現在的平均移民是剩下79.84,等於10年前的平均壽命。 |
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二、一直罵我們說 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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2686.525 |
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2693.049 |
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國演殘喘的錢就這麼簡單你不能在這十幾年來用總額預算丟給一屆把財務風險全部丟給一屆 |
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委員王育敏 |
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2736.396 |
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這樣再下去已經受不了,所以現在為什麼會那麼大的反彈?因為疫情之後,所有的年輕人,不管意識相關的,連醫師,他們自己都感覺,他們沒有像我們以前靠褲子那樣,那個時鐘娘在做主任醫師的時候,喉嚨喉嚨啪,他也都痛痛。 |
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我這樣放霸凌的時候,我也會點點,因為我們就想說一個理想,一個報復,我跟你們報告,五十幾年次以後的,你不用想了,六十幾年次、七十幾年次,現在醫生來講的都講什麼你知道,講待遇、講休假、講稅金。 |
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2762.745 |
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2766.246 |
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昨天來找我的是一個新加坡的醫師他說新加坡我說你們不錯啊那個檢驗師放射師 |
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我們這裡一個月六萬、七萬,在新加坡的放射技師就十四萬、十五萬。他們也在怕說人家去找他們,真的去找他們,因為護署找不到,找不到他們都去找馬來西亞及菲律賓會有公營業的。 |
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結果現在,去年找不到人,他說跑去哪裡了,他說跑去美國去了,跑去加拿大去了,想嘛,他那時候在那邊管,一日到那,上班試用期兩個月就給他立卡,就給他簽居留,我們是在搶人才,我們現在人才是在流失, |
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我們現在有外勞在台灣的有七十幾萬人我們台灣有專業技術的人跟台灣人在外面不要講台勞不好聽啦齁在外面幫人家奉獻的八十幾萬人我們出去的是技術人才我們邀進來的是勞工補充人力這是對國家是不是有隱憂齁我想像市長、像石崇良署長那麼優秀石崇良的頭髮很好耶 |
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主席處長、主席長、朱哲銘每天你問什麼資料,他都無法解釋,我不會跟你說,反正他會湊一些資料出來給你,所以跟他問成白問。 |
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跟大家報告,政府應該出36%,這個時俗長我有跟他談過,去年,去年如果36%的話,政府短少937億,所以政府你那個36%你都要報一下,來,我唸一下。 |
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一一二年九百三十七億一一一年八百八十三億一一零年七百多億往前都是五百、五百多、五百多怕死人啊,只有七十年,我們也穿過了所以政府導出不足,都拚了以改,只用一個總裁 |
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協商料表表福利所以被依改的人大家就是穿上內套衝衝那些咕嚕咕嗦的巧立民幕胡亂說廢啦或者是送在停車場啦美食啦等等然後智慧的市場非常的雜亂我們常常聽 |
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鄉親、村民在跟我幹架,說去到哪裡買煮肥幾大堆,去到哪裡開個骨殼幾大堆,這都是扭曲啦,這個是很嚴重的扭曲,如果不解決,這個問題會更嚴重。我當一個,當過理事長、當過前理事長等等,我真的很不忍心看到這樣。 |
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有保險的人有私人保險的人他他負得起沒有私人保險的人一般的底層的人怎麼辦啊所以來我這裡有三點我念一念我們修法的重點 |
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總額目標制 總額目標限下一點議員 超額部分打折幾付 折數協商 超額打折後公務預算來補或者政府投注要過 醫療驗手不會不刻意充量 超額就打折打了一大堆 |
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第二個就是說你修法報告你說要說什麼零點九五要補七百億什麼一千一塊錢要補一千一百億等等一千一百億阿你那三十六趴那樣,你那補補的就有阿政府你自己要出的都不要出阿所以政府吃老百姓,像我們那個政府在騙騙我的消防員騙我們的警察一樣所以不要都堆堆有意見 |
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好不好這個是我們跟大家報告的那你政府在健保法裡面你要承擔的健康、臺灣講到政府要投出38%我心裡想說你36%你還保有就你該搞啊 |
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所以在這裡跟大家報告所以今天有個結果不要說一直在討論討論討論就是擺爛嘛對不對那你三個總統候選人你自己都說一點一口我看到一個民視的截圖他說 |
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賴清德總統說,一點、一點一言。我是說,他是說不對的嗎?還是我聽不對的?一點、一點一言。我以為是口氣的。所以我想,對不對我不知道。所以我們今天希望我們行政單位,好好地來推出好的對策。已經到非改革不行。以上。 |
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陳昭芝委員 |
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謝謝主席今天是沒有看到部長看到次長跟署長那個署長那個部長以前沒有承認但是你必須這個署長要承認我陳昭之在健保署誕生那一天受聘到目前為止我的聘書都還在經歷四位總統大概超過十位的署長所以我參與到一個相當的程度 |
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所以我想我今天就用我的很專業理解的角度來談這個問題健保開辦將近30年了大概差一年就30年第一個10年其實大家都很滿意都很happy包括這個民眾跟這個醫療提供者因為第一年我們大家比較沒有這個相對的壓力而且早期的設計的時候也沒有想到後來醫學這麼進步造成很多高規格高標準的一些 |
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﹚立法院朝野黨團協商．委員 |
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委員響鐘 |
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韓國是8%贏我們。 |
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你用算7.5韓國是9.7你怎麼樣在OECD國家都是在末段辦所以從頭到尾就是投資不足投資不足我知道也絕對不是署長或次長這邊能決定不過我們還是要講那這是因為這個6.1的投資目前大概從6.1的投資裡面只有50%出頭是放在健保所以大概根據會議的變動大概3%到3.5%左右是放在健保 |
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那健保因為百分之百的民眾都被涵蓋到了那數字叫99.7那事實上就是說只要不連手續大家都涵蓋到所以老實說3.5%涵蓋百分之百的國民這本身是奇蹟台灣創造了奇蹟這個是事實那但是第三件事情因為我們包山包海的 |
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：立法院朝野黨團報告併案審查委員王育敏等19人、委員蘇清泉等28人及國民黨團分別擬具〈全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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韓國5年存活率是70%,我們存60%,最後台灣人不要再罵韓國了,健康指標都輸了,還有什麼好輸,新生兒死亡率也是最高的。 |
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那這個平均移密剛剛蘇委員講過啦那你什麼糖尿病的合併症的這個死亡率這個人家好幾倍日本韓國好幾倍啊你現在不是只有這個錢在這個血汗跟這個奇蹟你這連醫療健康指標都輸這個是攤下來看所以我請政府官員不要再談我們什麼很高很高在什麼地方很高很高因為民眾的在知識不對等下他還是留在一個留在一個這個 |
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﹚立法院朝野黨團報告併案審查委員 |
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大病有缺口,大病保的不好,這個是健保的精神嗎?這個是社會健保的精神嗎?這是我們要的健保嗎?有問題了嘛,那為什麼會這樣?就是當初你什麼病都含瓜,你什麼小病症的藥也都含瓜,撐不住了,那攬子撐不住啊,現在進來藥都是很昂貴的啊,因為醫學進步太快,要精準,要再生醫療,當然這樣還沒有納入這個幾副。 |
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那然後那個進步的標靶等等等等都很昂貴動不動一年就是上百萬啊啊你當然撐不住啊你也沒有退場機制啊所以基本上我就覺得說我可能是目前唯一有提出附帶決議的我知道觀光要求本身是會有擔憂的因為這個回到老路叫做論量濟酬0.7、0.8、0.9大家就在拚拚點數啊 |
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那你到一點會不會充減數?絕對會!絕對會!那所以我們要配套措施嘛!所以我就是說給大家這個合理配套措施但是這個措施也許要請健保署、衛福部來研議但是最後一定要更高級的行政院院長或是總統來支持嘛!因為事實上整個投資是不夠的那剛剛蘇偉也講到36%那天我講的時候薛部長不懂 |
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但是署長你一定懂那個36%的計算方法有人認為根本還不到36%這個當然可以討論也說到底支出變動還有我一直強調公務因為我們一般人是是這個保費自己付30嘛然後雇主60嘛然後是政府是10嘛可是這個國家就把那個公務員的那60 |
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對那個那個僱主60也算作在這個整個投資大概36裡面那這樣當然算法我們可以討論啊所以也有人覺得說嗯政府的部分36還是不足哦那不足你是不是要補到足所以我們不反對這一次如果點子提高這個民眾的保費也要調整用看什麼方式來調整但是政府是不是已經附足36%法定的36%我們還是有疑問 |
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所以我後來就是提出了幾項很重要的一個我覺得是配套措施啦當然我們看到醫療品質的這個問題那當然第一個專業服務位太低了嘛你這個門診看了200多塊連洗頭都不足都輸給洗頭嘛所以你基本上專業服務一直不足所以你逼迫的醫院跟醫師沒有辦法正正當當好好看病人好好正正當當賺錢 |
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所以他必須想盡辦法,你說自費也罷,自費是近年來才出現的。那你以藥養醫也是事實啊,這不能否認的。所以我是主張說,各個醫院如果有盈餘,要有一定的比率,拿來做環境,職場環境的改善,去工作附和。 |
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阿或者就是幫護理人員等等阿就是這些人的薪酬的這個改善這是第一個嘛你專業服務要做個調整然後這個是不是有一定的比率我們也是跟企業界要求一樣我們民眾黨有提出這個法嘛那第二個齁 |
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我知道會可能會讓很多基層的意識會有點擔憂但是只是要你違法幾付30年啊其實大家都很自私啊也有很多人大家都受惠啊所以沒有人去按鈴申告按鈴申告就是健保署就是健保就是違法幾付啊那你這個只是要這個其實有人都說才15到20億誒陳委員你不要那麼計較不是這樣的因為這個只是要不給付的時候民眾就可能說啊你就我去看完病那又要自己去買藥 |
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那我乾脆就有時候有時候他就可以自己在社區藥局不要忘記了還有一群專業人員現在分數也很高的專業人員守在這個社區藥局只要這個我想署長最熟悉你只要少一次看病對不對一天到晚再推銷我們現在是18次嘛一年看病18次嘛啊你只要再少一次少多少點375億點啊 |
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民眾只要少一兩次,那你省下多少錢?所以只是真的早早要退出市場。那要價差的部分,很多人都以為不好意思,我還是必須為他們講話。很多人以為藥廠賺了很多錢。我跟你們講,在我的價值觀裡面,每個行業都是對等的。 |
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今天要有醫師看病今天要有健保署來管理可是也要有人去做研發就是說每一個人貢獻都一樣當然我們要合理的來看怎麼樣努力來議價這是不爭的事實那你這個要價差我一個月前問薛部長他說400億第二個月再問他才隔一個月問他說變500億 |
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那署長你偷偷在咬耳朵說可能五百億可是我問到的比五百億更多曾經也衝破六百億啊那現在有可能要價整個掉下來那你的百分比當然就可能掉一點啦事實上還是很多啊戰率還是很高還是要有一個合理的要價差的範圍嘛 |
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你還是要處理這件事嘛你像日本人就是到最後處理這個問題嘛來一個猛將然後小將然後再一個大的將然後再平穩下來你有一個合理的要加差而且要加差這個大家小醫院都很辛苦啊因為他溢價能力沒有大醫院高啊不輸給醫學中心啊對啊你這個這個就是大家都知道那又都不處理那這次就勇敢的處理吧已經打破八年魔咒可以繼續執政啊對不對做了好還是有機會就是再一次魔咒都可能啊下個四年都有可能啊所以這個部分 |
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主席主席 |
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所以我覺得你們要引進這個論質記酬計畫,把這個論質用品質的結果去擠附的這個方案丟出來。你丟出來你在全世界國家我們不是只有拚這個能夠熬得過啊,我們那個醫療指數不用翻回來嗎?不用逆轉嗎? |
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我們真的要繼續輸很多國家嗎?繼續得到末端班嗎?曾經是台灣最引以為豪的世界前幾名的名列前茅的這個醫療品質現在就都不是了不要再講了因為這個數字攤出來大家都知道啦所以我是希望說論執記仇的部分包括早期推動的DRG五級二中要不要再做包括那個奧康貝斯的bundle payment輸到你也知道我們也溝通過過去很多次你是不是說如果沒有辦法大量做你其實要有一些東西進來 |
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：立法院首席 |
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韓國瑜 |
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〔議員發言〕 |
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請把醫療分局的部分納入社區藥局好不好不要就是說在醫療機構他們是屬於醫療機構然後等到這個要做一些大家不管是重要的資源重新分配你也要把社區藥局納入嘛他們也是有能力照顧病人我自己在這個非處方藥的小組裡面擔任20年以上的委員我當主席超過5年 |
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主席主席 |
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雖然部長不一樣啦但是我知道署長跟次長都留任嘛所以我們今天就是在講這個也恭喜你們啦齁然後也繼續大家也繼續期許啦齁那主席我們今天應該把總統找來才對因為這個問題真的很大也不是他們的肩膀現在朝野協商希望總統可以到立法院院會做國情報告而且同問同答那如果可以的話真的是總統應該要來 |
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王正旭委員 |
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謝謝主席現場還有兩位委員包括希望委員、趙志武委員剛剛那個我們蘇清泉委員一直要我說要表達我的立場還有我們衛福部的官員們 |
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我想這個真的是一個非常重大的議題大家都可以確認因為我在上任之前我很高興有機會到國會來服務那我身為醫界的一部分我在上任之前我就去請教我們很多的部長、署長、前輩們他們如何去看待健保這個議題 |
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每一個前任的部長跟署長他們說這個是非常非常重大的議題一定要改變至於如何改變大家一定要有好的機制來討論他們給我共同的一個鼓勵跟勸導就是這個樣子那我們現在是希望用最簡單的可能的方式來做這樣最大的改變當然在醫界非常非常的期待 |
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因為醫界真的非常的委屈那我們也看到很多很多的困境那最近自從這個召委提出這個議程以後相對我們也召開了公聽會也召開了在三個禮拜有一個很大型的討論都一直在討論說那我們要怎麼改才是適當的 |
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所以很快我們的這個內閣就會在520成立那同時要包括部長們就會面臨這些問題所以如果從治療這個包括所有醫療資源的這些籌設越多越好這個我都非常同意我也非常贊成那將來希望不同的黨派也針對能夠對醫療資源的挹注大家共同來努力來促成 |
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那對於健保資源怎麼樣能夠投到打造健康台灣照顧民眾的部分這個是非常非常重大的議題如果可以的話可不可以讓我們的新內閣包括我們的衛福部長 |
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在面對這些問題的時候有一個更全盤的處理之後來讓我們也能夠共同的來敦促甚至來要求他們做什麼樣的改變如何回應民眾的需求同時針對醫療單位尤其是醫療的這些辛苦的不管是醫師們、藥師們、護理師們各個職列們所面臨的問題一起來努力來解決 |
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我認為這個樣子才能夠讓民眾的健康得到更大的保護的同時對醫界才是公平的所謂的醫界是包括各個職類的所有同業人員那我們也知道包括台大院長 |
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他每一次談到醫療的困境的時候他都非常的擔心大型的醫療機構面臨的這麼大的困難怎麼樣去改善他的在做服務的同時可以讓民眾看得好這個就是品質的問題 |
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那剛剛昭志委員也非常強烈的要求品質如何能夠變成是我們在做健康照護裡面很重要的一環那這個那麼多的議題我們需要有社會更多的 |
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不管是專家不管是學者不管是業者包括我們身為醫師團體裡面的議員的同時也如何能夠聽到民眾的需求民眾他的訴求其實真的非常非常的簡單就是你把我的健康照顧好就可以了 |
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那我們也知道我們要照顧他的健康需要各方面的資源那這個資源如何能夠透過大家的努力一起來戳戳這是目前我們也知道困難度非常非常的多可是有困難並不代表就沒有辦法解決 |
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我們要找到好的路徑來解決才能夠真的去達到這樣的目標如果我們用的方法萬一萬一沒有辦法真的可以很順利的達到這樣的結果的時候會不會是另外一些困難的開始那剛剛蘇清泉委員也了解說癌症的照護真的是醫療非常的不足 |
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這是因為因為醫療進步的結果我們把它統稱為財務獨幸 |
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財務獨行的意思就是說當一個癌症病人需要接受醫療的時候他會面臨各方面的挑戰跟困難尤其針對癌症的用藥開發非常的快以前不敢想像的用藥都一一的面臨讓病人有機會使用的時候 |
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可是因為癌症毒性他會因為這些藥物的費用非常的昂貴導致在使用上有一些困難這個在美國在世界各國都是同樣的問題那我們如何來面對這個財與毒性所以我當初在擔任社會團體的負責人的時候我們就透過這樣的一些訴求來了解 |
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建保如何能夠有效的去改善他的財務的各方面包括如何開源、如何節流那如何用社會的其他資源一起引進來照顧癌症的民眾那我相信這個不應該只是癌症民眾而已應該全台灣的民眾當他有醫療需求的時候都可以透過國家的力量共同來保護他們 |
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主席 |
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剛剛包括也問到我們的主計總處還有我們的相關單位有沒有配套措施的同時意思就是說我們必須要有更周延更完整的處理以後相關單位配合的話他才知道未來如果我們要面對更多的困難我們如何來面對這樣的挑戰 |
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所以我們很期待能夠給新任的部長新任的院長有更好的面對這個問題包括讓各界都能夠提供更多的意見讓在解決這個困難的過程裡面可以更順利不要造成其他讓我們會擔心如果這個配套措施沒有經過大家共同的努力共同的討論的時候帶來的影響 |
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不過我非常的贊同趕快趕快讓醫界能夠安下心來讓他們知道說未來的部會未來的部長如何能夠讓他們第一時間針對他們所需要的醫療資源是可以很快的讓他們很安心的繼續提供的醫療服務 |
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這是以上我的意見 謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員 |
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還有各位衛福部的官員大家好我也認同剛剛陳昭芝委員王振旭委員所提到的現在許多人引頸期盼這件事情已經過多久我現在跟王振旭委員補充一下2015年2016年蔡英文總統在競選的時候發布了這個競選宣言直接跳票她當時我直接把原文唸出來她說 |
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我們要讓醫療服務的價格合理化我知道長年以來為了不讓健保倒下健保給付給各位的點值一直在打折我們感謝醫師護理們為守護國人的健康所付出的犧牲 |
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未來我們也願意來檢討健保支付的標準表同時不會只顧及支出面的控制也會重視醫療需求面的問題我把原文再念一次讓大家回憶一下89年前他的競選政見結果現在大家不滿的是什麼是 |
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﹚立法院朝野黨團報告 |
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醫護人員、醫界的人員不是拿來讓你們開支票的因為前後任的總統一再的開健保點值的支票而且我們提出來的就是賴準總統講的1.1元還比我們國民黨講的多了0.1請問困難點到底在哪裡這就是賴準總統的政見啊 |
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這是他跟他的健保改革全國專家會議召開之後提出來的啊然後呢當時三位總統候選人提出來之後薛部長說OK我們可以提出這個但是呢要經過修法好我們現在也要修法啦不是嗎就是這樣做我們也是遵照薛部長所講出來的他認為解放要透過修法我們現在不就是在修法嗎 |
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：立法院朝野黨團報告併案審查委員王育敏等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人、委員楊瓔等26人分別擬具 |
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蔣麗淳總統的意思是4年內可以達到1.1元我想所有全國的醫事人員沒有辦法等這個4年好嗎?他們 |
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我看一下你知道二月我透過全國的健保資料庫光是台北市申報點值低於不知道多少錢的低於幾十萬的二十萬五十萬的就佔了七八成以上 |
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裏面有藥師有護理師有行政人員有醫師你覺得到底誰還可以在這樣子的狀態之下經營下去呢然後護理師啊我現在沒有認識一個護理師他不想離職的所有護理師都已經快要撐不下去了 |
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因為你又要求互併比然後又要求又要求這個什麼每一班要幾個人然後他們離職率這麼高所有的班都排不出來科別傾斜這麼嚴重這個禮拜有一個大新聞大家都沒有看到嗎一個懷孕的女醫師因為班排不出來 |
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因為班排不出來他在有游離輻射的狀態之下值了32小時的班我過去20年我坦白說啦我也是不忍心我的同事值太多班所以我破水的時候人就在開刀房我懷孕的時候也都在值班為什麼因為我進入婦產科的時候 |
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沒有人欸我同一屆只有兩個人欸你覺得我不值班難道要他值30天的班嗎要我同屆的這個同事值30天的班嗎所以現在我們科別的傾斜已經非常的嚴重了許多科別根本沒人嘛兒科你也知道沒人這一切的一切的源頭還不是就是健保已經大崩壞了嗎所以不管是我連放射科醫師的同學都告訴我他現在連放射師都沒有 |
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沒有人幫忙造騙子請問放射科醫師要怎麼執行他的業務啦藥師也沒有檢驗科也離職護理師也離職你覺得光有醫師能幹嘛結果現在就是醫師還在幫忙你們講話王振旭委員還在幫你們講話王振旭委員你也知道齁你也知道吧放射師沒有啦檢驗科也離職啦這個你都清楚啊 |
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所以如果你覺得你四年本來就可以達成的事情為什麼不馬上就做到呢?我們就不是應該要趕快做到嗎?所以我還是非常的希望啦大家可以馬上為我們的醫療環境注入一針強心針給予實質的幫助才是最重要的謝謝大家 |
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陳婉嫻委員 |
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謝謝主席讓我有第二次發言的機會謝謝菁惠醫師菁惠委員的指導我想我們都不會去說我們的醫師有多辛苦我們的護理人員有多辛苦我們都不會我們都了解因為我們都來自醫療體系 |
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這是一定的事情所以請你不要說我好像沒有辦法認同對於我們這是一些醫療同仁的這種付出本身有哪一些的保留一點保留都沒有因為我也是曾經這樣付出的人我現在還是一樣這樣的付出我相信大家都是這個樣子 |
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只是說我們在這個付出的過程當中如何能夠讓我們的權益可以得到更好的保障所以我剛剛也麻煩當新的部長、新的院長就任以後他們能不能趕快在第一時間就能夠去讓這樣的保障 |
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我相信大家都在看政府怎麼做 |
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大家也都希望趕快把問題做一些解決那這個解決過程如何能夠讓大家都非常滿意同時都能夠讓社會也知道我們為什麼要這樣做這個是需要大家一起來做討論一起來讓社會也知道的部分 |
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所以請大家也要知道我身為醫界的一員我絕對絕對支持我們的整個醫療同仁的付出是需要透過政府透過大家一起來努力的而且時間上越快越好謝謝好謝謝王振旭委員那我想剛剛大家都有提到 |
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新政府上任讓新的部長新的院長在這件事情上他必須要有個態度而且也要拿出方案那這一點上我是認同的所以如果是在這樣的情況底下必須要有個啟程對不對 |
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總是要一個期程啊坦白講這個案子已經送出委員會當時其實不分朝野大家沒有反對哦就是送出委員會哦那送出委員會現在是在朝野協商階段大家要看的是到底這個案子由國民黨立院黨團提出蘇委員提出我提出我們這麼多委員的支持底下送出了委員會那我們要的是衛福部的一個讓一屆第一線人員 |
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黃秀芳召委也排了公聽會。公聽會裡面大家最有共識的就是政府投資不足。政府的方案總得要拿出來吧。 |
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不要就是說一下子就恐嚇大家說如果這一動那健保一定調這不能立刻畫上等號就是你在既有的財政你要怎麼去調整那包括賴總統自己講他最有能力解決這個問題那既然他已經承諾而且他當時提到的是0.9到1或是1.1不曉得是1.1還是1現在不太知道他真正的語意是什麼 |
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但是顯然他所提的方案也是他對現狀的不滿因為你現在的點值絕對沒有到0.9所以在這樣的情況底下我是覺得剛剛民進黨的委員提出來說要等新的部長新的院長當然可以等但是不能等太久 |
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那就是是不是在一個月之內你們就硬要把這個方案丟出來因為這個議題坦白講也討論了很久是不是一個月之後就應該要把這個具體的方案提出來因為朝野協商可以再開也可以等你們的新部長但重點是要有方案沒有方案我們就直接院會表決了 |
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一個月過後就直接院會表決通過所以這個衛福部要有要有對案好不好你們你們你們具體的方案是什麼我覺得一定要提出來要不然這個剛剛大家講那麼多嗎第一線醫事人員現在這些困境跟問題我想我們委員會要有所作為了也不能就是這樣子什麼都不處理好不好 |
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新任部長24日出國6月1日 |
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六月底怎麼是一個月?你的數學不太好。不是啦,他現在,我跟你說啦,部長他現在會不知道有這個議題嗎?對啊,他擔任過本委員會的委員,老早就都知道,這還沒出過報告。六月中啦。 |
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主席因為我個人有提出一些附帶決議嘛那事實上這些是可以你們就算部長還沒有辦法到位就是說你們可以先處理可以就提出建議因為怎麼樣表決老實說0.951一定過關嘛就一定過關那這個前提下你們應該幫就剛剛尤其我談了附帶決議的部分是你先幫部長研擬好政策跟對策到時候就是要用最快的速度 |
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韓國瑜 |
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主席主席主席 |
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這次新的內閣上來我們國民黨這邊還有民眾黨這邊是打算要排研會 |
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研會就是要讓新的行政院長來備詢我們要總執行我們每一個人都再去再問一次30分鐘阿新的各個委員會一、三、四召開然後這樣搞可以搞到六月二十號以後啦二十號左右那再來就結束了結果就沒了我們不是加、加、加、加開研會齁七月中又如何 |
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沒有啦,那是亂講的啦。最多也到6月下旬,那你如果就再弄到6月底就已經了啦。所以我的建議還是在6月中旬,頂多到20號之前啦。好不好?然後陳昭志委員他提的負債券也要有對策都要出來跟他一個答覆啦。我已經幫你刷啦,他絕對不會幫你刷啦。 |
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來,次長是不是要回應一下了? |
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我們是希望說原先是希望多一點的時間除了我們自己內部這些討論跟各界討論之外那我們原先是希望說能夠有多一點的時間來跟行政院來討論說裡面的來怎麼樣移住更多的資源所以說我們才會希望說時間稍微有一點空間那我們如果真的是沒辦法的時候我們是不是好吧我們盡量在6月20號左右好不好 |
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這個次長我告訴你這件事情剛剛陳昭智永講得很好是總統跟院長的事情也還不是你們的事情你懂我意思嗎就是說他們下個禮拜我坦白講這件事情你們一定要讓新任的院長跟總統知道委員會現在的狀態就是這個案子已經是在協商期了沒有方案就是表決看過0.95或是1而已了 |
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但是你們要趕快提一個對策就是行政院要有態度卓榮泰跟耐心德關係那麼好其實這件事情我在兩個禮拜前在一個頒獎典禮他有來我當面就跟他講我說我們現在委員會已經通過了就是這個要調漲這個點子的事情 |
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他其實應該知道,他現在應該都知道這件事。那院長的態度很重要,不是靠你們去協商,你們要和主席處協商,我都不相信。院長一句話,主席總書就買單,這個就是可以非常快速的事情,只要賴總統他的意志。 |
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８立法院朝野黨團報告 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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《健康台灣》、《健康論壇》都開假的嗎?其實裡面已經有復案了。我坦白講就是,你們裡面坦白講已經有某種程度的復案了,是要做到哪裡的問題。所以這件事情我是覺得也不用再拖,也不宜再拖啦。而且也不要讓一介一顆心懸著這樣子,到底要不要蓋還是可以怎麼樣。 |
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6月17日那一周會再開一次協商,那次協商就要見真章了。 |
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六月十八日 |
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主席主席 |
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所以如果是這樣子的話那就是請衛福部回去必須針對這個案子你要提出你們具體改革的方案是什麼下一次協商會議就要提出來那如果協商會議內容大家不滿意的話那這個案子因為現在已經是朝野協商階段就會進到院會進行表決那我們預定就是6月17號該週 |
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就是再召開一次的朝野協商會議也是最後一次了六月十七號再召開這也是最後一次那該溝通的該處理的我們就希望為不不把這件事情列為是重要的事項那該跟醫界溝通的也在這一個時間把握時間跟大家去做溝通好不好大家是為了改革更好了好不好目的是要讓我們的醫護人員有更好的環境不用那麼血汗然後合理的這一個幾步 |
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請問各位委員跟官員還有沒有其他意見要提出來?好,如果沒有的話那我們今天協商協商會議到此結束。我們散會,謝謝大家。 |
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響鐘 |