| IVOD_ID |
159107 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159107 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:33:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:44:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f5d05369be971883d2f58198bcf8270c1ff1cdb1affc83ff43c0b16c68b9325bf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:38 - 10:44:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長劉世芳、經濟部、交通部、金融監督管理委員會、台灣電力股份有限公司就「公寓大廈裝設電動車輛充電裝置之相關法令、國家標準、建築設計、管理維護、火災預防措施及相關保險類別與要保人之認定」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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謝謝,請次長、董事長董事長有請再請吳署長吳署長有請委員好謝謝首先感謝委員會我們這個禮拜一的時候有安排了一個考察那考察的內容其實跟這個公寓大廈也有關係但是方向是完全不一樣的 |
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是老舊公寓大廈外牆脫落造成的安全問題還有甚至結構的問題感謝吳署長也到現場給左營的國貿社區做了很多這些相關的建議 |
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那這些相關的建議接下來跟高雄市政府也會合作那把廣告社區所面臨的這一些外牆脫落以及可能結構必須要評估的這些安全問題一併的提出相關的方案可以解決那最重要的是國土署這邊跟市政府這邊可能也必須要評估在公寓大廈自治條例規範中所有的管委會的設置的形態的不同 |
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那可能有造成他們所收收的管委會的這些費用以及或者是清潔費等等有沒有辦法支應相關那可能必須要自籌的這些款項的問題我想都必須要解決這是一個極老社區的安全問題當然 |
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在左營跟南梓我的選區加起來超過1500棟的大樓加起來超過1500棟的大樓裡面在2019年新的建築法規通過之後拿到使用建築執照它會有新的充電電動車充電設施的這些預留孔 |
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裡面可能是不到一層也就是還是有接近1500棟的大樓其實是我們今天要討論的主題可能是我們今天要討論的主題也就是電動車的這個充電設備要進入這一些2019年以前就拿到這些使用執照的大樓目前的狀況那大家也了解是這樣子可能如果有這些2019年 |
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以前的大樓的住戶想要買電動車想要換電動車為了環保為了不要讓別人吸到他的廢氣那他買電動車之前會回去詢問管委會那管委會給的答案如果是OK某某樓的住戶他已經裝過了好那這棟大樓可能就沒有相關的問題這棟大樓我們要注意的就是後面的消防法消防的這些問題 |
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那好如果這一棟大樓還需經過管委會討論的話那管委會每個人的意見其實大部分可能以第一個費用第二個安全的問題那大家必須聚焦來做一個討論最後經過區全人的所有區全人的這個同意那如果在區全人大會裡面有一些 |
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分爭的話或者是最後用投票來決定目前很多公益大廈管理條例裡面的這些公益大廈還是有一些像剛剛黃婕委員就有說到有一些大樓因為其他的因素沒有同意可是投票之後那可能大部分的區權人覺得說我們這裡不需要那這些就是今天我們要解決的另外一個問題 |
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所以我希望國土署跟地方政府跟六都以及可能新竹縣市甚至現在嘉義可以有一個比較具體的一個討論有沒有辦法去問到各六都目前我剛剛所講的 |
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區權人或者是公益大廈裡面拒絕反對這些住戶來升莊充電莊的署長有沒有相關的這些數字的確現在沒有那我想這個部分我們來了解那可能除了縣市政府以外 |
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我們也會跟這個全國公益大廈的管理協會這邊來了解看看是不是也有相關的他們在處理因為他們畢竟是全國性的協會他們可能會對這方面也大概會有一些認知所以我們都來蒐集看看這樣的一個狀態還有他們最重要他們不成的就是協調不成的理由對 這個是我們今天其實開會很重要的一個參考的數字 |
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那如果說今天就要提出我們要解決完全一次來解決2019所有的這些沒有辦法裝設或者是消防署面對的這些安全的問題我覺得今天是有一點困難所以希望國土署這邊 |
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也可以來協助一下來處理這個問題高雄包含全國過去包含高雄2021年的城中城大火後來處理這些消防的相關的法規的問題還有我在禮拜一的時候邀請署長一起到左營國貿社區去看的這些外牆脫落這些瓷磚的安全這些問題我想我們其實都需要專案來解決這些問題 |
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那目前的這些專案現在目前的這些全國一致性的規範規範的是30年以上的這些老宅那包含不管是瓷磚脫落或者是這個結構安全的問題分別必須有自負額一半或者是分別需要如果結構安全的問題可能可以補助到85%等等那 |
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我們還是希望遇到的這些問題可以國土署可以邀集地方政府那我們來想辦法讓行政單位來提出多一點預算來讓來解決這些問題包含現在講的如果未來的這些充電設施也跟這些磁磚脫落有一樣必須要用專案來協助很多從 |
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包含我的選區接近1500棟的大樓那如果有沒有通過的或者是這些充電設施或者是最重要的已經裝設的充電設施它需要消防署 |
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專案的一些補足可能電動車的這些如果萬一有發生火警的時候特斯拉是公開講他們的車不適合用泡沫滅火那現在如果現在所有的這些大樓裡面都是消防設施用泡沫滅火 |
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未來消防署相關的這些不管是你要去執行這些安全檢查或者是甚至大家也說了嘛這個讓全體管委會來出這個錢不合理消防署要不要提出專案 |
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來補強這些大樓、地下室或者是未來剛剛消防署剛剛國土署有講的大樓的開放空間可以增設這些公共的充電樁我覺得都是必須要由行政單位積極的來提出這些相關的專案讓我們來支持 |
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所以今天其實排這一個,幫我放最後一頁排這一個討論我覺得非常的正面,我們很願意來做這些相關的討論也不像上個會期在我們內政委員會所提出來的公職人民選罷法、公投法、人民會組織法、人民會進發補償條例 |
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警察人士條例等等這些引起社會紛爭的法案我覺得今天的法案是讓我們可以正面的來提出的但也不要忘記去年一整年我們都沒有機會來討論這些以上請次長署長兩位署長分別來做回應最後一個問題不用 |
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我想那個也謝謝委員的質詢今天非常感謝召集人還有各位委員針對這個我們相關的法案充電樁的問題來進行討論因為工藝大廈內的充電樁就如同許多委員所指出的在 |
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2019年之前的相關的一些老舊建築我們要怎麼樣子做法令上的修正而且最關鍵的其實是它的防火區化跟安全的問題我們會從這個角度去做積極的研議那確認整個安全的狀況讓所有的管委會區選會覺得說放置這些東西其實不會對大家有影響反而對大家有更多正面的結果 |
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蘇董外牆安全專案我了解因為這個部分其實我們在震災在每次地震的時候也會面對這樣的問題所以我們想就針對結構安全的部分未來如何來提高這個相關的補助我想我們收集一些案例以後我們再來我們會來檢討我們的辦法 |
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除了結構之外我覺得磁磚脫落那個安全因為磁磚脫落大概現在雖然都是用鼓勵性的所謂鼓勵性就是說不要再貼磁磚了這表示你的本身的那個水泥的構面可能也有本身有一些問題那不適合再用磁磚的話我們可以用這樣類型的專案來協助他我想這也是一個方向國貿社區就很 |
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困擾的一點他收的不是管委會的費用他收的是情節費所以這個本身管委會的方式的管理方式可能也是一個問題我們希望來共同來研議看怎麼樣可以解決這個問題 |
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我們建築物零零天車場目前已經有泡沫滅火設備所以泡沫滅火設備要做改裝成自動燒水設備我想這個技術不難這些都可以來克服那新設的場所技術不難重點是費用是管委會出或者是消防署要不要研議 |
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未來這個電動車的數量到一定的比例的時候去盤點每一棟大樓的消防設施是,這個以前消防署是沒有這樣補助過啦所以我們再來看有沒有空間來處理,謝謝委員好,謝謝李博義委員 |