| IVOD_ID |
159103 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159103 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:50:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T11:03:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fb7a6eea21e44788ae83d902c8d6dd6c2ff1cdb1affc83ff4d197f29790cd35605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:50:31 - 11:03:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 二位委員出列習慣了 主席請楊總裁我想現在全國的所有一些做貿易一些企業界大家都很關心就是新台幣兌美元匯率的走向那我想請教一下 |
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現在美國總統川普上任了以後那台幣未來的走向究竟是要穩定的曲扁還是要穩定的要升值 |
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我跟委員報告事實上我都一直在講就是說匯率還是由市場來決定的中央銀行在外匯市場他沒辦法就是說因為他供需所以他要貶的時候中央銀行不能就說強迫他要升中央銀行所能夠做的 |
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他要升的時候你也要升只是中央銀行能夠做的就是說讓他的波動度呢不要太大就是這樣子而已所以才會就是說中央銀行主扁喔對有可能就是說我們主扁為什麼我們要讓他的波動度減緩我們是主升喔也可能我們主升為什麼我們要讓這個新台幣的升幅呢要能夠他的波動度不要太大就是這樣子而已 |
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那既然從你剛剛所說的供需的需求來看的話美國總統川普他是美國優先嘛是不是那我們也可以看到台積電他現在準備要投資多少一千億的美元在美國是不是增加啦增加嘛那表示說他有一千億會匯到美國去所以他需要美元的需求就會比較強 |
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那也不一定不然他要投資美國他就說四年嘛這個是四年他就說四年所以四年每年要投多少深造大概也是八九千億一千億如果說除以四就要一年兩百五十億那兩百五十億我跟委員報告事實上呢台積電他在賺美金他非常會賺 |
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所以呢也就是說他事實上他不必要在外匯市場去買美金他自己賺的美金他就足夠他到那邊去總裁你的意思是說他以後台積電全世界賺的錢如果賺美金的部分他就不會回台灣不因為我跟委員報告請問他在美國的投資的資本支出他的金流是怎麼樣他的金流就是他的美金賺得啊 |
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他賺的直接就投美國所以你這樣講就是錢不會進來台灣啊?錢不會進來台灣啊?不過我跟那個250億就台積電來講250億不算什麼 |
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可是對台灣的一些企業講,不要說是美金啦你光是台幣一億兩億,對中小企業影響都很大對,但是台積電它是比較特殊啦因為台積電,台積電它所賺的美金,我比那個比那些的那個什麼,一些的那個那台積電每一年賺多少美金?據我了解呢,我據我了解 |
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好,請說台積電在2024年,去年是900億美金左右今年預估會到1000億美金以上是,所以那我請教你他現在台積電,等一下局長你等一下因為你這個途徑可能比較知道他賺了錢,他錢不用匯回台灣嗎?就在當地直接投資掉是不是? |
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根據我們了解啦那他上次的投資他有在美國發債有部分的資金會從會在美國的子公司會發美元的債券那另外一個部分就是每年的營收的成長那當然每年的營收就是剛剛跟委員報告的一年像去年是900億今年預估會到1000億900億是台幣還是美金美金美金美金啦好謝謝總裁那這個數字你就可以知道他是相當龐大的齁台積電 |
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跑掉了以後對台灣經濟的影響有多大 |
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台積電對第一個我是覺得啦如果說就一個台積電不過講到這裡的時候我才跟委員報告基本上我們的主管機關也一直在強調基本上80%的業務還是集中在台灣 |
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那個是比較低階的啊沒有沒有因為台積電慢慢的高階的通通會移到美國去啊你不信的話你聽那個美國總統川普講的話他是老實的啊甚至還講到地緣關係發生變化的時候我不是說沒有你怕啦 |
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但是呢 我覺得就是說我們的主管機關一直在強調台積電的A5的重心還是在台灣這是第一個第二個呢 我們它的一個主要的研發中心還是在台灣 |
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總裁請問他所有的技術跟人才過去美國以後以後美國的員工大概有多少人他要成立一個研發中心在那邊為什麼美國總統川普他會說這些都是被偷走的 |
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不是 他只是說我個人覺得啦川普總統他這麼說呢是他的一個話術 |
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它是一個話術它是一個策略那基本上我都總覺得事實上我們台灣的這個半導體我們的直通訊這個是美國它最需要的所以美國在這一方面所以它就半導體這個部分它就盯著台灣因為我們在這個強項從以上的數據其實只是冰山的一角你有沒有算過 |
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台積電過去以後它周邊的相關的周邊的這些上下游大概有幾家會過去?不過我總覺得就是說當你在做國際化的時候你的選擇當然我在這方面我不是專家我只是說我個人的直覺 |
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因為從國際貿易的一個觀點來看的話他那邊去接近市場接近他的客戶我總覺得這個也是很好第二個你要想想看事實上我們台灣第一個我們的土地 |
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也不夠啊美國他的苦地大所以就是說他的資源台積電到美國去投資的時候他也可以利用到美國的資源當然美國的資源有些地方是成本會比較高總裁剛本席請教的是說台積電過去了以後周邊的上下游的企業 |
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還有一些資本都已經過去慢慢過去這個也不一定請問這個也不一定為什麼呢已經就有一定的因為過去有一些做無成事的通通過去了還有上下游周邊的很多都會過去有沒有算過這些如果說一起過去的話它對台灣的影響會有多大 |
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我想企業是很會算的啦而且我總覺得他們是很靈活的據我了解呢現在就是說要到美國去的那些呢大部分都是在墨西哥啦墨西哥呢他就說在美國他也有產生墨西哥他是比較龐大 |
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那現在就是說因為他要對墨西哥扣稅所以他也就是說我們台商在墨西哥那邊他就想就是說那如果說在這樣情況之下在關稅的情況之下他可能把他的一個作業線要挪到美國去所以你的意思是說都沒關係就對了不是這樣子 |
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企業它的一個國際化我總覺得這一條路還是要走的我們一看到台積電一去美國的時候就發現 你有沒有發現一個事情台積電股票漲還跌一千兩百多塊馬上跌破一千塊 |
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市場告訴了總裁什麼總裁告訴你什麼大家的害怕完全就展現出來了這還有一個影響請問台積電是台灣的護國神山你知道它的市值有多少 |
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他的柿子我現在有三條所以他沒長一點 |
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對台股的影響有多大?他是八點嘛所以你看台灣現在股市已經連番下跌這幾天跌很多不過我們的股我跟委員報告我們的兩萬多到目前為止兩萬多還好啦那總裁台積電跑掉了以後你覺得台股兩萬點是不是常態? |
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這個我不敢預測因為我不是股市專家台積電跑掉了以後台股有沒有機會上看三萬點 |
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這個我不曉得,我不是股市的專家這只是一個代表對他的經濟未來的期待跟一個感覺就好像黃金國際的首飾一樣本席在七年前 |
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六年前 五年前 三年前 還有去年多次建議央行總裁要不要考慮買進黃金總裁的回答是我建議的時候是每盎司1270塊的時候現在黃金每盎司多少錢 |
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我剛 我在去年的那個總裁三千塊我也有跟委員報告啦我也佩服委員啦但是呢 我也說但是中央銀行的考量是又跟一般的不大一樣這個不考量那個虛擬貨幣你現在態度支不支持虛擬貨幣比特幣 川普總統所講的五大虛擬貨幣他要作為什麼 戰略儲備 |
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現在你是不是也要跟進到目前為止我們是不會啦不過我們會密切關注啦你現在支不支持台灣做虛擬貨幣因為那個什麼叫戰略儲備的這個名詞這個東西虛擬的比特幣還有其他的虛擬貨幣是不是能夠當作戰略儲備這個我到目前為止我還是稍微有一點Question |
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希望你多考量啊但是你不要違背川普啊你不要忤逆川普啊全世界的潮流在改變的時候我們還要顧不知風嗎我建議你虛擬貨幣比特幣的時候是一枚六千塊美金現在多少了多少 |
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之前漲到10萬塊美金一枚我只是提醒央行世界在變的時候我們一定要顧不知風嗎世界在改變的時候我們沒有一點檢討或思考的空間嗎謝謝委員新台幣的數字貨幣什麼時候要推出我們還在往前我們這個會期還在等待謝謝 |