| IVOD_ID |
159092 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159092 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:41:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:54:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f80c417139146ae88b0efe61acdb48b4ef83dc853112caf4513a137a43a01e8185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:02 - 09:54:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會，則本次會議取消，不另行通知。】） |
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好謝謝主席我提一個潛意問題請主席處理一下部長大家都知道業務發燒一個會期只有一次那我們可以看得出來 |
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也就是所有一級官員都到但是有很多就包括資策會以及資安研究院等等這些有很多研究跟委辦都是他們可是我就比較納悶的為什麼今天負責人都不來這是對部長不敬或者對立法院的歧視 |
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所以這個我要建議我們主席啊這種東西一個會期只有一個業務報告你行政跟整個委辦研究是要連貫性的那負責人不來那怎麼可以呢 |
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所以這點我要特別跟部長建議這是對立法院的尊重問題誰敢保證不會問到他們像今天孟愷委員他就已經問到這些有些政策不是你們形成是研究單位給你們的東西耶 |
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所以這個部分我還是要建議部長要約束所下這些研究單位一定要出席這點是本席提出一個權利問題好不好好來請黃部長請部長 |
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好 委員好好 部長我也知道因為我們數位部成立不久那數位部的功能其實跟一般的政務推展 |
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是有所差別因為我始終認為啊數位部他任何的議案從在審議算我都非常支持第一個我一直在鼓勵你所有的人員是有技術創新性質 |
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所以特別這專業人才啊是不能忽略的所以部長我也知道所以在審預算的時候我們大家都相信嘛我們在交通委員會在審你的預算我們根本也沒有什麼砍啊因為你們把你們需求跟你們的苦衷都跟我們15個委員講得非常清楚所以在委員會很好啊為什麼你們的心聲我們聽到你們所要所做所為我們也了解啊 |
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所以我們基本上我們是支持的那最後會搞成這樣我說實在也是我們意料之外那當然政府機關議算審議算是立法院的權利提議算也是你們的職責所以這些互相尊重的情況之下我還是希望部長 |
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你要有多少資源去做多少事也不能去怠慢這是我要鼓勵你的另外一個我感覺到很奇怪你所有的業務報告你的打詐你也是三個單位主要一個單位可是我沒有看到你打詐成果的數據 |
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為什麼都只有要擺在刑事警察局內政部你這裡都沒有嗎你們主動去配合主動去做打詐的工作這裡啊為什麼會這樣來報告那個委員剛剛這個那個我們業務報告也有提過就是我們是源頭就是剛剛講的尤其是廣告平台上 |
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沒有啦 數據啦你們做到的數據你們發掘到的打炸成果你也沒有那種數據有有有 我這樣講就是我們因為這個打炸的這樣的一個通報跟我們這幾個平台上的努力的結果我們平均一個月經過我們努力大概下架了至少一萬個詐騙廣告對啦 你是這個我還是建議你在業務報告當中你所做的成果 |
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你要呈現出來我們立法委員才有辦法去支持你啊你們有時候寫那些是比較籠統你這個數據真的啦 部長以後 你要來立法院報告其實我們交通委員會的委員大家都很認真啊你的數據沒有出來我們也會去發見所以我還是建議部長這個部分要責成你的所屬一定要去重視這些因為打仗你們是很重要的角色 |
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啊也可以呈現出來像你們花線到啊我們藝皇到啊我們花線到啊在整個網路我們這個提出來然後他們去偵辦這也是屬於你們的啊不要說你們是退績第二線的打詐責任這樣的話預算給這麼多啊我還是建議啦部長這個部分要呈現給委員了解 |
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好我那個書面報告其實在前幾頁都寫的很多數字都蠻清楚再請委員參考那委員需要再跟委員那個數量啦好不好好來沒有關係來部長剛剛孟愷委員啊已經提到這個醫院的資安問題這個資安問題當然啦我說實在的所有的所有的犯罪的手法 |
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日新月異其實他們的技術啊是比我們高超啊每一次我們他發明的詐騙記新技巧的時候我們才在做研究其實 |
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不應該這樣我們要有緩緩措施說不然我們這麼多研究單位我們委辦事項這麼多他們難道都沒有辦法研究出來所以很簡單啊這個是一個問題耶不是只有馬街耶張金也是這樣耶 |
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一千兩百多筆這種個資被確了以後難道都沒有緩緩嗎還要衛福部還要跟你們研究嗎這本來都是你們的工作啊發現這個問題你們要主動研究啊在短時間因為我們專業人才這麼多所以這個部分我蠻希望部長這個部分你們要自動自花要有一些緩緩的 |
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這些技術 我覺得今年特別我們有個AI的計畫就是要做這方面的就對防守用AI來做防守的一個研究計畫那這個計畫我們會持續進行不過就像委員講就是也是因為預算關係這個目前的規模會縮小不過這我們在既有機會之下我們還是會把它做好我們將來會用AI去讓我們的自然強化來抵擋這些 |
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看一刻也是用AI在打我們所以自然而然我們必然要用AI去抵擋他們好啦 部長 部長我說實在啦 你常來拜訪我們以後啊我們有時候聽你的理想跟你的作法 跟你的理念我們基本上我們都會去支持啦但是我說實在的數位部本來就是很難做因為你們要跑在別人前面 |
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別人全面去做黃換工作數位部的功能本來就是這樣啊但是過去我們不以置評只有一個功能大家最有印象只有點面線這不要給人家這種感覺黃部長就是黃部長跟別的部長不一樣要有所這種報復啦 好不好還有另外就是還是我關心的就是數位憑證皮假的問題 |
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你們洋洋灑灑都已經有這個數位平正平假的問題我說實在的我們非常注意數位部所作所為但是我說實在我們也是不撒撒所以部長 |
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不要再告訴我你們的宣導會被刪不要但是我們如何透過我們行政體系以及製造新聞的問題去達到這些目的我可以講數位憑證皮夾到現在為止我可以跟你打賭 |
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我去問你們的承辦人他也不曉得說要幹什麼但是有了數據但是內容要簡單易懂讓老百姓很清楚的就知道我要做什麼那謝謝韋昭 |
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的確我剛剛也講過就是說我們在跟民眾溝通的部分可以再加強不過這是一個趨勢也就是說數位評審皮夾在各國都在推那我們就在幫政府做數位轉型這個也是一個重要的工具所以我們會還是朝西灣去努力那但這個東西會讓大家一個至少一個方面他就像是一個把我們數位證件能夠放在手機裡面也就是說將來出門只要帶手機不用帶那麼多證據 |
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這個我跟你講世界各國裡面都朝著這些下去做啦但是我們大家老百姓的想法就很簡單嘛數位身分證就搞成這樣浪費公帑幾十億這個我不希望數位憑證皮夾還是從刀覆轍這個我們身為民意代表我們是希望蠻鼓勵的 |
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是可以創新可以做也就是很簡單現在大家都在講氣講話的問題我說民進黨可以創造歷史但是千萬不要抹殺歷史所以你們要做當然我們是持有支持的態度但是千萬不要龍頭蛇尾老百姓母薩薩這樣就不好還有最後一個我還是希望我們不要 |
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昨天前天我跟卓院長執行我也是講不要在那邊造謠 |
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審查預算是立法院的立法委員的資金我們有什麼砍預算跟凍結預算是不一樣的你們把他混淆沒事你們在開記者會你要去宣導你的新政策是好事每一件事情就是在那邊裝窮我認為部長 |
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我們現在要真正上工做我們的事年度預算不管未來如何我們還是一定要去做因為現在三德預算是統三的部分是給你們徵兆困擾啊可是這個問題我要再度重申你們足跡總是自己不來做適度的調整 |
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所以我跟你講這個當然你也有很多苦衷啦齁但是我還是要勉勵任何一個單位我都不希望他在那邊裝窮其實法定預算還有其他種種都還是可以去運作的啦只是 |
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出國經費被刪成零又不能留用就什麼事都不能做你不能只有一個單項嘛我當初不是跟你講主計總署過去的往例都會來對然後重要的把它跳過次重要的把它刪除把那個金額夠了以後反正你們自己都不反正我們今天不探討這個啦我還是要鼓勵數位部還是要往前進 |
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啊不然的話你總不能說現在數位部就要停頓啊對不對因為法定預算什麼預算都還有啊所以我還是要鼓勵該解凍的我支持 |
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該解凍的趕快解凍但是當然有些是院會的有些是委員會的我相信我們委員會在解凍的程序我們就持有支持的態度啊解凍本來就是把你的缺點把你想要做的寫得清清楚楚我跟你講我們交通委員會我們參加過啊大家不管任何黨派大家基本上是對事不對人的啦沒有政治兩制啊 |
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因為交通委員會真的你這個也是在整個網路方面的一個建設我們沒有理由不支持的所以趕快提出來所有部會裡面第一個提出來的那我相信我們先把它開擴出來我相信數位部的工作就不要一直在喊窮的問題啦 |
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好不好所以部長我鼓勵你要往前然後趕快該解凍的解凍基本上我個人我一定去支持但是我希望數位部是往前的好不好好謝謝 |