| IVOD_ID |
159091 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159091 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:25:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:40:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fdf76304808d0365bb0efe61acdb48b4ef83dc853112caf45f2ef179986d190cb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:35 - 09:40:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會，則本次會議取消，不另行通知。】） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請黃部長請部長 |
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黃國元長好 部長好 部長今天業務報告本時有看到速發部在今年的重點打詐非常重要 對不對這也是國人生物痛絕之處你剛有特別講到是說在社群媒體平台也都已經有要求說要實名制所以說可能會有一些有效的改善但事實真的如此嗎來 部長我先請您看一下先不用急著回答這個 |
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3月4號本席接獲到我們的民眾就有在做陳情他剛好棒球比賽剛結束非常的熱非常的夯馬上就有一波說為中華隊加油要賣這個帽T但是奇怪按讚數沒有很多可是一直推播後來有民眾跟我們反應之後然後發覺是說只要有相關查詢你就很容易被推播而且他的畫質其實不高好 |
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然後再來我們看到他下面也很厲害喔他的留言全都是這種哇 這個很棒很不錯收到了結果我們真的去做了解點進裡面發覺兩個部分很疑似詐騙第一一夜市廣告他裡面是要求就是貨到付款一夜市第二他裡面的連結居然連結到的是假的新北市體育局的粉絲專頁 |
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假的所以到最後我們跟速發部的同仁來聯繫也請速發部的同仁了解一下這到底是不是真實的結果速發部的同仁回應就說這個已經有通知主管機關確認那要儘速回報但據我們的理解是速發部的同仁到最後也確實是說這個是假的詐騙廣告所以凸顯兩個問題詐騙集團其實還是會不斷的 |
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推陳出新那第二如果說是實名制的話他透過網路廣告代理商或是他在境外投放廣告的話我們其實還是沒有辦法管到這點怎麼看部長那個報告委員那個當然就是我們現在廣告那個詐騙集團他們一直在變花樣因為原來的那種廣告模式就詐騙的模式不管是用這個所謂假公眾人或假名人廣告目前因為我們用AI去掃描這種大家都掃得到 |
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那像這種新型態的我們當然就是我們隨時在更新它其實也不是新型態這都是老問題我從2021年東京奧運打完之後我們就發覺說有人假冒東京奧運的Logo到現在2025年WBC資格賽打完中華隊的帽T大家都想買的時候 |
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報告委員您登的這些應該是都在臉書上是不是Meta沒錯所以Meta是我們現在在積極溝通也就是這個東西我們希望從源頭就能夠控制Meta配合度高不高Meta其實從過去到現在我想這邊可能署長來署長再跟他們溝通來簡單說明一下是署長你跟Meta那邊溝通嗎還是定期有開會我們定期開會那Meta目前的配合度是算不錯的 |
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他們是指派他們公司的人還是他們的代理人因為就我們理解是說在台灣他們也沒有分公司嘛是他們有他們有公司的人也有代理那個法律代表是 |
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拉回來來部長所以剛剛講到那個廣告投放那個的確啦就說確實有如果境外公司或是人頭公司持續的投放廣告的話那也是查不勝查但是這樣子的一個形態的部分其實我覺得說不能我過去一直強調的是新創立的粉專他可能創立三天五天馬上大量投放廣告這就很可疑嘛對 |
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因為照理講如果說是一個有品質的這個有商城他可能他已經經營很久了他就不會說新創立然後大量突然間大量投入廣告那這些樣態其實都是可以做一個資料庫來去做 survey 的嘛對 |
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就是我們剛才講說我們在掃描這些網頁如果看到這種廣告因為它一直在變化所以我們也一直在精進我們自己的這個AI掃描的功能所以像這方面像這個我們會再精進不過我還是講就是說其實一般來講就是說當然也要跟民眾講就是 |
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在網路上購物上這種東西要找可信任的廠商或者像那個像我們一般電商所以這種其實我臉書上的很多廣告千萬不要輕易相信所以就是說我們會講就是我們自己要aware要能夠視乍這些很明顯的詐騙尤其像很多廣告他根本連藍勾勾都沒有這種東西就是嚴重的值得懷疑部長正令宣導大家都會做但是重點在於是源頭管理我覺得是源頭管理才是最重要的事情我們會跟Meta再持續在這方面再跟他們好部長 |
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你剛剛的報告裡面有講是說是年底的時候才會有年度報告能不能有更精明透明度報告是透明度報告是那他們五月的時候才會有這個詐騙指引嗎防詐指引是有防詐計畫我們會請到提交防詐計畫那到時是不是能夠有更公開的讓國人知道是說我們速發部怎麼跟相關的社群媒體平台來共同合作來打擊犯罪 |
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謝謝委員我們會朝這個目標好來部長另外一個部分現在有看到是說有馬街醫院被駭客入侵電腦當機並且有立千多筆的病患個資都傳出被詐騙集團買下然後衛福部部長講是說才要找速發部來研究指引怎麼樣能夠建立強力防火牆會不會覺得太慢了都被人家偷走了個資都外洩了 |
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2023年我們資安署成立的時候當時怎麼講蔡英文總統去掛牌資安院的時候要打造最強資安國家隊結果兩年過去了馬街醫院的這個資料被駭客入侵了衛福部部長才講說我們來找速發部來問一下怎麼樣最強防火牆 |
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晚了兩年現在是用撥接是不是就是我剛剛跟委員講就是說其實駭客也一直在進進所以這個就是為什麼我想說我們在跟駭客的對戰中我們也要持續自己的進行所以沒有錯他們所以部長我們到目前為止馬街醫院我之前其實你來拜會的時候我有跟你提醒過我們速發部很重要一點是防炸 |
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各自保護因為各自如果源頭管理不保護的話一出去詐騙集團可以運用到非常的讓你會信以為真如假就是你真嘛那有沒有辦法去做這個資安的survey或說資安的調查至少針對這種有大型掌握個人隱私資料的資料庫定期追蹤確認他的資安的這個係數是高的 |
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我們有CI的那個單位所以這個像這些醫院如果是CI當然我們會定期去演練跟集合不過當然就想說剛剛講就講說因為這個治安的攻擊越來越大還是難免會有這種事情不過剛剛委員講就是說我們的馬街醫院這個資料外線因為檢調現在調查我們在暗網看到的資料到底是不是從這次攻擊出去還是有其他管道我們也不是很清楚所以到目前還不了解就檢調在那我確認一下已速發布現在所掌握的情況到底這一次馬街醫院是不是 |
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這次馬街醫院他們的防火牆夠不夠力這次馬街醫院他們的資安防護夠不夠力你一直講是說駭客變形我也可以理解啊科技日新月異啊但重點在於是說到底現在我們的馬街醫院或者是現在各大醫院的資安防護夠不夠力能不能達到一定的水準標準至少一般的駭客無法破解 |
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有沒有掌握謝謝委員的關心我想這個有關於這個醫療院所的這個資安我想這個不管是衛福部或是我們的資安署都非常的重視這方面的資安的防護沒有 你們沒有重視衛福部長是這發生之後才跟你們講說要找你們研議指引是所以代表說過去兩年可能都沒有想到說原來我醫院也會失火原來醫院也會被破解但是醫院的個資也許是最清楚的 |
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對 除了這個之餘 目前務務部已經有發布智慧那未來我想我會加強跟務務部合作對醫療院所的相關的檢視另外我們會加強因為相關的所以到目前你都還不知道台大醫院 龍總 山總的資安到底好不好夠不夠 |
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跟委員報告我想教學醫院的這個治安其實他們的這個強化其實是相當的投入不過我想委員也知道醫療院所其實相當的複雜他除了這個包括的這個門診啊住院的急診之外其實他也有教學研究等等的功能所以他整個的一個治安防護的範圍其實相當的廣是啊所以署長有講的沒講啊 |
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你說你想可能掌握的安全不錯但是因為他們很廣所以我也不知道簡單來講就是我們到目前為止我們不清楚所以這幾年我們都在協助衛福部我們有投入一些相關的治安的輔導的服務團的這樣的一個服務來 部長我想 部長 |
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來 部長本席今天點出這個問題是我們要見為之助我們要看到一件事情一個個案我們要想是說通案的部分那現在如果說馬街這確實有被駭客入侵的情況各自外洩那其他的醫院有沒有現在是不是應該要 survey那不管是速發部找衛福部溝通或是衛福部找速發部開會重點在於是說現在趕快亡羊補牢確認一下說我們其他醫院還有本席之前也提過其實 |
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影城什麼會員被破解各自外洩現在變成每一個消費者要去看電影的時候他都前面都還要告訴你請打165反詐騙那這都已經是事後補救了 |
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我想提個重點一個當然就是說我們還是那個法規來講就是治安法的修法這個裡面會強化讓我們有權有這個權力去強化各式各樣的治安的集合另外當然就是說經費上還是希望委員的支持我覺得治安的經費目前確實是需要再增加剛剛稍微講啦要馬兒好不會讓馬兒不吃草啦我們當然期待你馬兒好但重點是你馬兒先拜託跑一下 |
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跑的讓我們大家覺得是說你真的是可以升任這個工作來 朝偉最後一分鐘既然已經講到這個我一定要提一下現在有數位憑證皮夾對不對數位憑證皮夾過去大家講是說數位身份證有沒有可能是借事萬分你不用急著搖頭因為本席先跟你講一下數位身份證當時我們就認為是說有可能他會有這個相關的資安疑慮並且花了十幾億元 |
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採購機器設備整理推了兩三年到最後拍板說不要做所以過去那些工廠全都浪費了現在每年還要編列幾千萬來去維護當初買的一個設備來那我想請教數位憑證皮夾您有沒有看到他現在推廣的這個內容網站本席剛剛特別上了查了一下 |
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我拜託喔我都很怕說數位憑證皮夾會不會到最後變成是我們點面線系統2.0啊你知道為什麼會這樣講嗎因為你上面居然告訴我們是說數位憑證皮夾讓你預約熱門餐廳跟絕佳旅宿輕鬆無負擔 |
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不用手動輸入資料就可以完成預約所以你數位憑證憑假是要讓國人是預約熱門餐廳跟住宿啊那是功能之一啦功能之一那現在有沒有這樣的功能有沒有民間網站做這樣的功能 |
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所以你這不就是讓國人覺得說你又要花大錢數位憑證憑假但結果原來你想要解決的是現在可能業者早就已經推出了服務那會不會讓大家覺得說那為什麼書發布要這時候要整收整 |
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再去做這樣的事情然後可能又會有國家收集每個消費每個個人的資料的疑慮那個首先跟委員講這個跟EID完全不一樣因為EID是實體卡片它是強制性要換這個讓民眾有選擇你要不要可以自己選擇原來的卡片這不是就變成是說我有手機我要不要整合我的證件在數位憑證評價裡面嘛對不對是但是你看一下本席這是你自己的官方網站 |
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你的官方網站上面講說讓你預約熱門餐廳跟絕佳住宿輕鬆無負擔是要取代agodaespediaeasy table那個委員你完全誤會不是嘛是你講的不是我完全誤會你今天你的網站上面這樣寫所以說我們當然會質疑是說是不是已經有的服務我們現在速發部在做那跟之前 |
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我講 我說實在部長我之前就跟你提過我說數位部因為一個點面線已經讓大家就大家會覺得說我給你那麼多的期待結果你到時候出來一個點面線那當然是前任部長的事但你新任部長不要重蹈覆轍 |
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是跟委員說明一下這部分我們的確不是說講重點就好重點重點不是只有這樣的服務當然不是然後不會有職安的疑慮也不會有侵犯個人隱私是來部長召委站起來了我只想跟你強調不要讓國人對速發布的期待從期待失望到作變絕望 |
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推出做事真的要做到刀口上你要預算花在刀口上你就把事情做在刀口上防詐打詐源頭管理比什麼都重要不要讓國人對你們真的到時候從失望變絕望可以嗎 |
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這個謝謝委員的指導我們必然會注意不過我們還會加強各式各樣的宣傳因為這個事不是像委員所想的這樣講清楚尤其是當衛福部都還跳出來講你們的記者會衛福部跳出來講說健保署說我們要開放零藥所以你們當初的設計想法跟公家機關各部門是不是都已經還沒有溝通好你們就先推出之後溝通好不要讓你們到最後之後推出來的東西是變成大家一看 |
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那不就是原本就已經有的服務嗎早就民間業者都在做啦可以嗎我們會在外面加強跟民眾的溝通謝謝部長 |