| IVOD_ID |
159047 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159047 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:10:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:34:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:24:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f980208d687606a10fc7dc3b86466824cbbf0a69acbcd9c1cf4276e10a0b5a9ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:10:01 - 09:34:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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有請部長麻煩部長委員長部長好那今天是這個會期第一次質詢法務部那在過去兩個會期我每個會期都會問你兩個法案的進度部長知道是哪兩個法案嗎我非常關心的 |
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跟你交流已經一年了,對我可能可以多一點認識,兩個啦一個是妨害司法公正嘛,另外一個是什麼,就是棄保潛逃嘛那我想要請教一下,就是棄保潛逃罪是2017年蔡英文前總統任內司改國師會議的承諾嘛,對不對 |
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那我看到我們的次長徐次長也在去年八月曾經承諾第二會期會把棄保潛逃罪的願板送到立法院來可是現在第二會期都結束了第三會期也開始了我想問一下這個為什麼遲遲都等不到願板那最後還是經司法法治委員會我們的在野立委努力之下 |
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才在今年1月完成審議那為什麼沒有辦法把院板送過來履行這個承諾呢跟委員報告那個院板那個行政院已經第11次審查會議已經審訊了那目前就是還要在會選司法院因為院會通過了還在會選司法院之後 |
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那院會院會還沒有通過 審訊當然還要送院會院會後再來還要再會嫌司法院那這樣的話才能送到大院的司法法制委來做一個審議我想講你一個詩一會嫌二會嫌 會完嫌後再會嫌 |
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因為如果說今天跟部長說如果只是從去年開始到你的部長任內也就是從新政府開始可是實質上就民進黨政府的角度來講是2017年就已經開始承諾這件事那如果到現在連個院版都出不來那拖了這麼久說真的我覺得要加把勁好不好真的拜託部長 |
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這個其實應該基本上是大家都還算蠻有共識的事嘛不是嗎對不對沒錯吧所以我們這邊全力來對抗嘛對啊那既然那麼有共識的事那就那就好好努力一下啦好不好那有時候這種政府的效率會大家覺得是有點疑惑那我想請問齁 |
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法務部實際上我也要謝謝法務部啦在過去委員會討論都支持棄保潛逃罪那到底現在卡關因素是司法院反對嗎還是哪個單位反對啊為什麼會拖那麼久 |
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行政院一直核定不出來這個是審訊完畢當然還沒有提現在還準備要提院會來做一個真的是太慢了啦拜託部長好不好真的太慢了我這樣講應該公道吧以時間來說我想我們想法理念都跟委員一樣那事實上氣保潛逃問題部長覺得嚴重嗎 |
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棄保潛逃我想我們這部分我們都會要求我們檢察官在偵辦犯罪對重大的這些的那我這樣用數字來問2021年到2023年知道多少棄保潛逃 |
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3年巨寶件數是18058件 巨寶的保證金被沒入大概是3491件所以比例大概是19.3 沒入保證金是7.2億 |
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相當每個五個巨寶人就一個氣泡潛逃一年氣泡潛逃上千人平均每個氣泡案件只被沒入大概20.7萬那陳啟玉交了10萬跑了那林秉文交了300萬也跑了我剛剛講那些數字有沒有錯這我都跟法務部要的這個數字 |
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我想這個就是一個數字呈現它的一個現象很嚴重嘛 從這數字來看其實兩成耶兩成不能說不嚴重吧 19% 以人數來講所以這是為什麼我們一直在請法務部既然法務部都支持棄保潛逃罪這立法的速度 因為我跟部長說一件事我們委員當然我們之間我們在提法案 我們有委員的視角 |
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可是如果說今天院版能夠進來 能夠讓大家的視角更周全實際上我們會把法律定得更詳細嘛 這一點沒錯嘛 對不對所以因此為什麼說院版重要 不是說不能只靠我們立法院啦要跟行政院我們通力合作好 那麼接下來我想請教一下那妨害司法公正 司法官說對司法人員造成很大的一個影響 |
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那有權者會通過犯罪者的不正手段然後去包括所謂的一些在司法過程當中的一些程序那麼來干擾司法的真審的作為那這時候我想要請教一下就是說基本上比方說我們的柯總召最有名的例子就是當時透過當時的2013年的立法院院長向法務部長關說 |
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命令檢察官針對他所涉及的全民電通的案件不上訴然後最後是成功的這個脫罪那這個其實是大家都覺得是一個司法之恥啦這是為什麼今天我心心念念包括跟我們民眾黨國參委員一直想要來推動妨害司法公正罪最重要的原因就是把這個司法之恥司法國恥能夠洗穴那我不知道妨害司法公正罪部長你的立場是什麼呢 |
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你覺得有沒有這個必要制定啊這部分我們的草案就有司法妨礙司法公證罪的這些的草案我們以本部我們也都送到行政審理審理的11次了那我就問啦直接問啦你給我一個具體承諾什麼時候院版可以送到立法院啊這部分我們再來全力來推部長我們看我們的主角都來了對不對 |
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主角都來了 對不對我就是因為我們柯建民我們的總召所以才新新年年一直提妨礙司法公正罪所以我今天很歡迎柯總召一起來加入支持那我要回頭來講就是說如果今天真的是這個題目是今年 去年才提你願版送不出來 我還覺得情有可原 |
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也一樣是2017年司法國事會民進黨提的一個意見啊拖了這麼多年部長你換我的角度你會覺得有點沒誠意啊還是因為我們總召的那個你比較忌憚他一點對他要保持敬畏之心所以不敢不敢提願板呢是哪個原因啊沒問題沒問題關心你關心你好謝謝謝謝再送我紅菇粿就好了來 |
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全力推動 給我個日期 什麼時候願滿到 我沒辦法就你的全力推動 連個日期承諾都做不到因為現在是在行政院的已經審理完畢 那現在就是要進院會部長你看兩件事情 我們總召都看不下去了 兩件事情答應都做不到對不對支持他拖嗎 繼續拖延 |
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支持部長 謝謝柯總召啦你看 我們柯總召全力支持你提出妨礙司法公正罪的願版啦柯總召全力支持啊 對不對就印一下柯總召的那個心意啦 好不好那日期呢還是給不出來 一個月可不可以兩個月好了 好不好 兩個月可以了吧還要跟總召商量一下嗎兩個月好不好 |
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三個月來三個月反正我等了七年八年了這個會期內啦好不好可以吧部長真的部長其實我給你一個建議今天在柯總召面前展現你部長的擔當柯總召都說支持你提願板啦趕快提出來好不好我們可以嗎 |
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好啦好啦 我覺得真的兩個都不及格 你都連日期都承諾不出來再接下來我想要問一下 第三個真的是很無奈的事情我們的偵查不公開 過去五年檢查機關平均每年檢討偵查不公開案件是多少件 |
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14501450件2024年偵查不公開之餘的案件以及高查2035件真的是偵查亂公開元年可是到現在為止我覺得部長我每次都要問你你每次回答就是不是檢察官放的就結束了那我跟你說過了違反偵查公開泄密罪是刑事犯罪沒錯吧 |
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這個是刑事犯罪 答對啦那我常常講一個事情就是說今天如果質詢部長說現在炸雞案件暴增對不對 有沒有 暴增 對不對 |
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炸機案件暴增 我想我們那個以我們打炸四法我告訴你 全方位的那換一個題目問你 我也來不及問了啦依托彌子 我們發現檢驗暴增132倍嘛 對不對我看新聞有報導 沒關係我只是舉個數字 去年的數字 |
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結果我跟你講說 欸這麼多這個所謂的販毒的案件齁然後請問我們的破案率如何那如果不敢跟我講說不是檢察官賣的 你覺得我能接受嗎你能接受嗎 |
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沒辦法嘛 所以犯罪增防這麼多赤裸裸的偵查不公開你到最後請問哪一件被起訴你告訴我一件就好 有沒有偵查不公開不能就說因為有證據我們就辦嘛你剛剛前面講是有證據就辦好啦好啦 我跟你進到無限的循環裡面我最後要問一件事情 最近的事情 |
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那個我想請教一下 這個偵辦 這個我們的檢察官林俊炎那之前發生一個事情就是 他跑到這個省慶津的部分我看一下 他是去省慶津 他在先講啦 這個林俊炎的事情 那省慶津 |
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發聲說外面媒體報導說不錄音不錄影跟被告聊一聊然後說沈慶金說告訴沈慶金柯文哲不是好人然後你如果不能交保出去處理你的公司會有問題我先講柯文哲有罪我贊成他抓去關起來但是在刑事偵查的過程當中相應的程序要依法行政對不對 |
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沒錯吧我們相信檢察官都會用我知道你現在相信啦包括偵查部公安你都認為說檢察官都沒放啦我知道你一直快相信啦那我想請教你一下為什麼今天去這個對於兩小時的對於這個省慶金的審訊不錄音不錄影為什麼依據是什麼 |
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我想這個北檢昨天已經發新聞稿做一個澄清那你告訴我嘛你告訴我啊那個當然是新聞被告要新聞製作筆錄吧因為要筆錄的真實性筆錄就寫一個當事人保持沉默兩小時的密室審訊這個沒有筆錄嘛 |
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不是 重點就來啦 你不要讓我會議詢問喔 我跟你講喔 要我會議詢問嗎來我請教一下我們的親愛的主席 檢察官出身的可以審訊兩小時 然後只錄音幾分鐘 然後最後就說 |
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都變各說各話嘛 沈靜靜說檢察官恐嚇他但是因為連錄音錄影都不完整啊我想要請教我這個司法實務我不懂我找更懂的主席可以這樣子這個只錄幾分鐘嗎因為本來叫全程錄音錄影製作筆錄的時候就是全程錄音錄影因為現在我們手上沒有當時到底發生什麼事 |
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假設沈憶琪說的是真的的話 假設啦那檢察官實在是不應該在私下沒有 會議詢問喔 會議詢問喔我會議詢問喔我會議詢問喔 我會議詢問喔我會議詢問喔 我會詢問今天的刑事偵審程序喔我會議詢問喔我告訴你 請你尊重主席 |
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請你尊重主席沒關係你上來你上來要怎麼質詢你去質詢你的你們民進黨會議詢問多到什麼程度你不要再跟我這邊裝王逸傳你不要在這邊裝要上來客講你們權益問題程序問題會議詢問多少次我不能會議詢問今天是我的質詢我要會議詢問是我的權利 |
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黃委員如果你不懂會議的程序你可以去看一下過往你不懂跑去研究一下啦你不懂跑去研究一下啦黃委員如果你搞不清楚我問的是我問的是刑事訴訟程序 |
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來主席我不要理他 我重新問一下我重新問主席 主席請問就我問主席就他的檢察官的偵審實務當中可以密室審問兩小時錄音幾分鐘嗎我告訴你 |
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他是火灰循環戰 主席回不回是主席決定 |
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當然可以回答 懷納為什麼不能回答總照你們會議詢問權宜問題程序問題問多少我不能會議詢問請不要把政論節目那一套拿到立法院來我跟你講 會議詢問是我的權利 |
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我跟妳講啦齁我跟妳說黃委員如果妳對我主持有任何意見那妳可以要求把我送紀律委員會我沒有意見但是主持的時候請尊重我的主持主席他會議請問他他已經在執行就沒有所謂的意思因為我才有錢問請你聽我講話啦立法院議事規則就是柯總召議事錄嗎有這種事嗎你聽我講話啦我覺得這是中立的 |
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你去登記一下質詢你上來質詢你要講三百分鐘我沒意見你要講到五月十二點如果還要我陪我也陪你你要送我四個紅褲櫃我也收但是現在不是你質詢柯總召現在不是你質詢不要再按麥克風不要再按麥克風現在不是你質詢沒有辦法記一下就有前一個問題了 |
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主持會議是這樣 如果我有做不好的地方歡迎把我送居委員會 否則請尊重主席的主持 |
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鄧永昭你在會場上也常常會講很多我們也都尊重你嘛 對不對那既然這樣子的話就尊重美國人的發言啊你趕快主持就好了 不要再一直講話嘛 再自己主持下去就好了來 我一樣 繼續我的會議詢問好了 沒有 我就說齁 |
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我告訴你 壞納的 你拿一個規矩跟我講不行你拿一個條文出來跟我講不行你們會議詢問多少次你們諮詢到一半也有會議詢問的 少來過這一套程序問題 權益問題 會議詢問都有你們是希望會議順利的進展嗎 還是不要這樣子鬧下去黃國昌不要傻笑 |
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你要讓會議繼續的進行就麻煩你遵守主席的指示我執行你鬧場啊說我火氣大你怎麼主持就執行你鬧場啊執行你鬧場啊柯建民 總召 偉大的總召 |
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全世界都有權利叫我時間到你就下台只有一個人盤古開天星海羅盤大師柯建銘你講我就不服氣了你每一次都可以講兩小時啦你趁這個時候還不至於跟我對話你趕快下台啊一起攻啦 |
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過去執行的時候我都沒人身攻擊 你要人身攻擊不要這樣啦好不好不要人身攻擊啦好不好不要人身攻擊啦因為今天被尋的是法務部官員不是立委彼此不是羅志強來問王一川或王一川問羅志強不是這樣今天被尋的是法務部官員 |
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那可不可以服從 遵守主席的主持如果我主持不好 那就把我送去幼兒園會否則麻煩尊重不然我跟你講 從去年整個會議一整年下來 就是亂哄哄的我不知道要開什麼會議所以麻煩我們安靜下來 我們把會議趕快進行 就這樣沒關係 總之如果你要把我送 我非常樂意我沒有意見 |
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我中立的主持請遵守主席的主持好嗎當民進黨的委員在主持的時候我們也非常尊重當柯總召你盤古開天腳我們也很尊重所以麻煩你們也尊重我的主持好不好謝謝總召中不中立都你一句話然後什麼要準時也是你要喊不準時就是你在做 |
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不要雙標總召這樣不好就這樣好不好我們都安靜下來沒有就簡單我還是一樣主席他剛剛打亂了我再重新提一次到底根據主席曾經有的檢察官的實務我們今天所謂的審訊是不是應該要全程錄音錄影為什麼審訊兩小時可以錄音幾分鐘 |
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因為這是法律規定的我會議詢問啊部長不肯回答我啊我稍微會議詢問啊這樣好來主席來想請教一下部長來請教一下時間到吳斯陽你不要鬧了玉石是我羅志祥發明的話我今天就立刻下去玉石不是我發明玉石是祖師爺在那邊 |
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尊貴啊 你一直干擾我多少時間你跟王玉川再加上柯建民三個 時間干擾大師你們老是喜歡在人家質詢的時候 上來搞手腳不需要這樣你不是我對手 我才沒跟你講話我當然不是你對手啊 你時間干擾大師我怎麼不是你對手你還有什麼干擾 還有法案司法的魔法 |
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你的炮航太高了啦我們就繼續進行好了我們就不要回應其他事來沒關係我就問部長什麼情況之下審訊是不需要全程錄音錄影的可以這樣做嗎 |
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這件北檢的那個新聞稿已經就那個去見那個審訊的一個被告是全程錄音錄影那我想這個還有三個編護都有在場那我想絕對沒有像那個媒體報導的那一種情形非常好這個北檢新聞稿就做一個情形而且這個是屬於在那跑到醫院為什麼要特別跑到醫院去詢問他這個檢查因為這個裡面他是說他有身體是有不是有住院的情形所以 |
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檢察官就是到醫院去做一個方式那我再一樣請問這個是非常平常常見的狀態嗎那我想這是社會矚目的一個案件那我就問司法偵審實務嘛一樣問我們會議詢問主席啊到醫院去審訊這個是經常發生的狀態嗎這叫臨時偵查庭啦 臨時偵查庭他本來 |
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確實沒有辦法從進門到出去都錄影但是基本上他大部分時間是錄音錄影那因為現在就是謠傳我覺得對司法傷害很重所以我很重視這件事情因為如果說你去兩三個小時只錄個幾分鐘那我今天我是在維護司法的將來人民的信任度啦 |
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那這確實比較奇怪,您偵查庭,你變成勸說完之後再做筆錄,其實我覺得這對司法...那我想這個是個案的話,是個案提出後,那我想這個再...部長我跟你講啊,其實...這個反而自然就會做一些的一個...部長我做一個ending很快,我做一個ending很快啦,做一個ending很快啦,謝謝主席啦我說真的,我們提出這個問題不是來刁難你啦 |
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因為外界有這個疑問嘛那跟我們自己平常所受的訓練跟所認知到說今天審訊要全程錄音錄影不合嘛當然你剛剛說有全程錄音錄影嘛其實我跟你講部長你不可以干預個案 |
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但是對於所謂的你今天法務部的行政事項有沒有客尊今天刑事訴訟程序跟所謂的偵查部關關程序這你有行政上的一個指導職責嘛你有行政上的責任嘛 沒錯吧你是行政首長嘛 沒錯吧對啊 |
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應該沒錯吧 這我沒認知錯誤吧你不能干涉個案 但是你對於說今天偵查部公開發生的問題你有行政上所謂督管之責嘛或者說今天在於所謂的 今天刑事訴訟程序當中有沒有出現問題 你是行政首長 行政督管之責嘛我想我對政府的官員的責任應該我也沒誤解吧 |
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沒錯吧 各有各失其職嘛所以我回頭還是要跟部長說提這個問題不是要刁難你我說過柯文哲有罪把他抓去關這是我一貫的原則 勿枉勿重但在刑事訴訟程序當中既然發生這樣的一個疑惑 |
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部長我覺得你們跟法務部跟陳辦檢察官當然要正面回應社會大眾的疑慮啊那今天我要這樣講就是說不是啊我跟你講所以嘛很好啊就是讓你有機會回應嘛你機會把它澄清出來部長已經掛保證沒有所謂的今天沒全程錄音錄影啊 |
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今天部長在那掛保證啊 從進門開始啊 到結束 徵訊是全程錄音錄影的嘛部長你就幫新聞稿背書嘛 我今天就是這句話嘛 就結束啦非常好 今天部長就是幫這個新聞稿背書嘛說今天檢察官進去就是兩個小時全程錄音錄影嘛 |
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這個杯檢裡面已經 信務稿已經澄清了是非常好 你背書嘛 對不對那謝謝部長啊今天我做立法委員對於刑事訴訟今天到底有沒有克尊刑事訴訟程序我總有權利要去來去關心嘛不是嗎那我不用 我說過了嘛任何個案勿枉勿重有罪就關啊 我贊成啊但是刑事訴訟程序偵查不公開這是為什麼我們今天這邊必須討論的原因好 謝謝部長 |
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1470.8 |
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好 謝謝 |