| IVOD_ID |
15904 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15904 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-13T08:31:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-13T12:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:30:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eadc364aa3d15180a507b0e10fad6422fc3be8d109af184be46a89e58b094d03ca5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就「搬遷原住民族語言傳播大樓整備事宜暨調動工作地點後員工各項權益是否合乎勞動基準法」進行專題報告，並備質詢。 二、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、客家委員會主任委員、財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長就「營運情形暨如何因應新媒體發展趨勢」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:43 - 12:02:00 |
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二、邀請二、邀請三、邀請四、邀請五、邀請六、邀請七、邀請八、邀請九、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、 |
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這個是誰在放的?科長,這個怎麼有放影片?在測試喔,在測試喔,OK,謝謝。他是換是不是?對,他是說他給我修改一些小部分,但是我想說上面給他換。 |
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74.956 |
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75.016 |
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二、邀請 |
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492.304 |
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二、邀請 |
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1726.771 |
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1732.444 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員13人以主法定人數 |
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1734.741 |
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1758.614 |
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好我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上一次的會議議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年5月8日星期三上午9時1分至下午7時20分113年5月9日星期四上午9時至下午1時7分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇曉慧委員等14人列席委員李坤城委員等35人 |
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1759.754 |
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1784.94 |
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遍席官員5月8日﹐內政部部長林佑昌、政務次長吳榮輝及相關人員、財政部副稅屬專門委員王俊隆及相關人員5月9日﹐海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲及相關人員、法務部法制司副司長謝志明、主席吳釗紀委員齊銘5月8日﹐報告事項﹐宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定﹐討論事項﹐依審查地方民意代表費用知己及村里事務補助費補助條例草案暨37案﹐請參與 |
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1787.44 |
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1811.888 |
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討論事項和必詢答。委員楊瓊英等25人質詢。分別由內政部部長林佑昌、政務次長吳榮輝及相關人員、財政部副稅屬專門委員王俊隆答覆說明。登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢。詢答結束。委員黃珊珊、鍾嘉斌、邱志偉、張家俊、黃仁等6人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢及為其答覆部分,請相關機關於一周內列以書面答覆並複製本會。決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1815.89 |
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1832.876 |
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地方民意代表費用知己及村里長事務補助費補助條例修正草案等37案。依第三條,趙委員徐信義等19人提案及委員王美惠、劉建國等4人所提修正動議通過。而第5條,條文不予修正,維持現行條文。第5條,副表趙委員吳其明等人所提修正動議修正通過。 |
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1833.656 |
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1863.01 |
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第六條修正通過。 四、第七條修正通過。 五、增訂第七條之一修正通過。 六、第八條、第九條均不予修正維持現行條文。 七、第十條趙委員吳祁銘等人所提修正都已通過。 八、本次會議審查通過之條文相關法之用與授權主席及議事任員整理。 九、備案審查完均凝聚審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推起吳釗祺委員、祺銘與院會討論時作補充說明。 五月九日討論事項一繼續審查海洋保育法草案計時一案 |
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1863.49 |
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1882.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
二、審查《海洋保育法》草案及其案。請參閱。委員高金素梅說明提案要旨。決議《海洋保育法》草案共十八案。依第四條、第六條、第七條、第八條、第九條、第十二條、第十三條、第十四條、第十九條、第二十條至第二十三條、第二十九條及委員楊瓊玉等二十人。 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1883.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1909.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
委員羅廷偉等18人提案第34條委員羅美玲等17人委員莊瑞雄等20人提案第29條臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第35條委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第28條及委員吳祁銘等18人提案第29條委員高清、宿美等5人委員蘇巧慧等5人委員張宏祿等4人委員牛許廷等5人委員徐玉珍等7人委員徐玉珍等4人所提修正動議及委員蘇巧慧等5人 |
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1910.7 |
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1923.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
委員蘇巧慧等4人及委員高金、蘇美等4人所提附帶決議均予以保留。 二、名稱第一章章名、第二條、第三條、第二章章名、第5條、第10條、第11條、第三章章名、第15條至第17條、第4章章名、第26條、第5章章名、第28條、第30條均照行政院提案通過。 |
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1930.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1946.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
三、第一條修正通過四、委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅天偉等18人、委員蘇巧慧等16人、臺灣民眾黨黨團及委員高金素美等22人提案第二條均不予採納五、委員蘇巧慧等20人、委員羅天偉等18人、委員羅美玲等17人、臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第五條 |
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1947.176 |
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1971.977 |
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及委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第4條均不予採納。 六、委員高金素美等5人所提修正動議第7條之1不予採納。 七、委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅廷偉等18人、臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第10條及委員高金素美等22人提案第9條均不予採納。 八、委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅廷偉等18人及臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第12條均不予採納。 五、委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第14條不予採納。 臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第18條不予採納。 |
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1975.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1993.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
第18條 趙委員、高金素梅等20人提案第20條修正通過委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅廷偉等18人提案第24條及委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第21條均步於採納委員楊瓊英等20人、委員羅廷偉等18人提案第25條委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第7條及臺灣命中黨黨團提案第25條均步於採納 |
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1998.393 |
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2002.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第26條不予採納委員楊瓊英等20人委員羅廷偉等18人提案第26條均不予採納第24條修正通過第25條修正通過臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第33條不予採納第27條修正通過討論事項暫行保留部分修正動議及附帶決議均令定期繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
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2025.165 |
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2036.467 |
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請問一下我們上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤沒有議事錄確定然後繼續進行本日議程請宣讀 |
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2045.916 |
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2061.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就搬遷原住民族語言傳播大樓整備事宜暨調動工作地點後員工各項權益是否合乎勞動基準法進行專題報告．並備質詢。 |
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2064.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2090.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
三、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、客家委員會主任委員、財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長就營運情形紀錄和因應新媒體發展趨勢進行專題報告．並備質詢。 宣讀完畢。好,本人議程所立的報告事項合併詢答首先我先介紹一下在場的委員我們有蘇巧惠委員王美惠委員 |
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2093.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2120.32 |
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好,繼續介紹一下列席的官員原住民族委員會常務副主任鍾新華教育文化處處長楊振兵社會福利處的科長李佩軒財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬勞斯財團法人原住民族語言發展基金會董事長馬耀孟 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2123.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2147.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
執行長徐偉勝科家委員會政務副主任委員周江傑義文傳播處處長廖美玲財團法人科家公共傳播基金會董事長陳邦枕總經理莊盛宏 |
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2150.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2174.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
勞動部勞動關係司副司長黃琦雅行政院主計總處基金預算處科長周明正好,我們現在進行報告請原民會的副主委鍾新華就兩個專題一併報告,謝謝請問副主委你要幾分鐘的時間?六分鐘好,給你六分鐘,謝謝 |
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2178.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2205.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
主席、各位委員、還有本會所邀貴委會針對財團法人文化事業基金會及語言發展基金會有關搬遷整備事宜暨調動工作地點或員工各項權益合乎勞動基準法以及營運情形暨如何營運新媒體發展趨勢作專案報告以下分幾點來說明一、前言本會每年捐助原文會每年的預算是4.62億元 |
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2207.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2232.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
今年也補助廣播電台1.3億與已發基金會2.9億元。 針對永久會址興建工程的部分,因為工程已達40%以上,去年年底合破2.89億元。 二、原文會、言語會有關搬遷員工相關權益的部分,本會捐助成立原文會及言語會以來,未有專屬的營運空間。 |
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2235.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2255.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
每年租賃辦廳公社需要花費大量的租金以及搬遷成本約需要3200萬元。經本會協助原體永久會址興建計劃並奉行政院在108年11月29日核定由桃園市市政府來代辦興建並由本會編列經費計17億39萬2000元補助二基金會來興建原住民族語言傳播大樓永久會 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2263.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2273.462 |
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會址新建工程由本會、原文會以及原語會及桃園市政府新建工程處來簽訂私方的契約。委託新建工程待辦永久會址主體 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2274.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2294.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
建屋的工程在111年3月16日開工預計114年3月2日竣工在114年1月1日四樁工程開工114年12月31日前完工並進駐本大樓將成為原住民族語言文創以及媒體的重要據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2296.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2314.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
本會主委一將主任委員也曾出席112年4月26日委員會在第5屆第一次董監事會監察聯席會議並建議董事會在搬遷過程中務必特別關心員工的居住權益、交通、親屬就學等問題 |
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2315.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2334.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
而且應該建立與員工以及工會暢通的對話平臺本會也依據監督管理要點來規定列席原文會每月的董事會議也透過董事會的會議就員工權益、永久會址等重大議題提供相關的具體建議本會在113年4月23日與原文會、工會以及原語會共同商議員工搬遷權益 |
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2340.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2365.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
原委會提議新建合宜住宅方案本會表示進行充分的評估包括土地的取得以及後續公共建設等程序同時也需要與桃園市政府溝通討論土地釋出的事宜本會也要求原委會提出具體的規劃方式以立本會相關措施來商議以確保計畫合法性以及可行性並協助其推動 |
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2367.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2394.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
原委會有關營運情形及如何營運新媒體發展趨勢的部分本會主委在第五屆第一次董監事監察聯席會議時表示為了營運新世代媒體的環境原委會也需要發展新的媒體事業希望原委會延提規劃成立新媒體部門應用創新思維以及創新技術來擴大族人的接觸層面並完善社會 |
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2395.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2417.166 |
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對原住民族文化的正確理解與認同原文會雖然已經在110年於原文會文化行銷部下籌設新媒體組但仍是任務編組所以原文會在今年3月29日已經初步規劃中長城計劃的工作項目在4月22日具體修正計劃內容也報會 |
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來做審議,其中也包含了新媒體策略,後續將協助委員會將忠誠計劃抱怨審議。 四、策進作為本會也將持續關注兩基金會就員工搬遷權益配套措施,像通勤補助、遷居補助以及 |
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住宿補助等相關工作期程的進度本會也會透過每月列席業務會董事會瞭解基金會當月執行各項業務之進度以及重要議題一將透過通訊軟體工作群組與兩基金會持續良好的溝通和反饋機制與確保信息的流通以及進度的掌握後續將密切追蹤基金會與新媒體發展方面的需求與困難並提供相應的資源以及解決方案以上的報告 |
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好,非常謝謝鍾慶華副主委,你好像對於你們都在你們的這個報告裡面都是講著協助盤點串聯然後你們還要這個就搬遷小組他們的權益問題好像今天報告都沒有看到 |
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2515.211 |
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那你們是怎樣待會質詢的時候才要一一的再問嗎你的報告好像都是比較文字性都沒有看到你們具體的作為是什麼那請你們待會要準備好不然的話我們都不知道今天排這個專案報告就是請你們把這些問題給提出來解決但是你們好像都是一樣協助盤點串聯原委會跟原委會他的業務合作的資源持續強化語言傳播媒體效應 |
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可是該怎麼樣協助然後盤點了然後要怎麼串聯你們也沒有講啊這一點是作為召委的我在這邊必須要提醒你們那待會質詢的時候希望你們能夠明確的說明一下該怎麼做好不好不然的話今天我們排這樣子的一個請你們來做專案報告好像就是有排跟沒排是一樣的道理啊 |
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這一點必須要跟你們說明一下好繼續既然是這個很重要的原文會跟原語會我們現在也請原文會的董事長許瑪拉老師來告訴我們你們有一些搬遷員工上面的需求還有未來你們在傳播或者是這個其他的部分要怎麼做好不好給你你要幾分鐘 |
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五分鐘,好,希望您的五分鐘能夠讓我們在場的委員們都看到你們的問題點,然後該怎麼處理解決,謝謝。請西馬拉奧斯董事長。主席、各位委員、今天馬拉奧斯非常榮幸獲邀大院郡委員會 |
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進行專案報告,由衷感謝大院及各位委員關心並支持原住民族文化事業及媒體傳播發展。行政院在109年1月12日合併原住民族語言傳播大樓興建計畫預算共17億元, |
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2616.247 |
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2629.892 |
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為推動永久會址興建及員工福利基金會與員工企業工會特別成立了員工權益小組至今我們共同已經召開了9次的會議 |
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辦理搬遷意願的調查共同研擬員工搬遷權益的配套措施內容包括交通補助、遷居工作環境的優化、托育補助以及以符合勞動基本法調動五原則相關的規定同時我們也跟原語會合作定期召開兩基金會的合作平台 |
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針對我們兩個基金會的搬遷配套的方案還有合作經營的策略進行規劃然後來推動從109年合定到現在營建成本受到市場物價波動及疫情的影響還有國際原物料上漲的因素 |
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以及缺工的相關因素成本持續的上漲急需修正永久彙止興建計劃的經費以符合未來營運的需求此外,為因應全球新媒體發展趨勢 |
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2697.472 |
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2713.799 |
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本會也在既有的預算跟人力進行任務編組在文化行銷部成立新媒體組於11年1月正式運作每年實際用於新媒體新增業務的預算約為350萬編制緣額4名 |
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2719.662 |
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2738.822 |
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以優化提升社群媒體經營效益為目標透過品牌建立與內容的製作分眾化經營各社群的平台曾於近年有關原住民族重大的憲法案件包括110年原住民狩獵案 |
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2740.223 |
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2753.72 |
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11一年原民與非原民婚生子女的身份法案、希拉雅族原住民身份案等等將複雜的法律條文、事件的脈絡、問題的爭議轉化成淺顯易懂的社群圖文懶人包。 |
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2776.297 |
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也在每屆金曲獎介紹原住民入圍歌手以及作品獲得了單月260萬的網路觸及人次的熱烈迴響又在東京奧運、世界棒球經典賽等等的重大國際賽事介紹原住民運動選手並結合時事 |
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2780.82 |
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2800.985 |
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探討回復族名、消除刻板印象、體育專業、職雅等等的議題當原住民地區發生重大意外和天災也透過社群即時性傳遞部落族人情況例如COVID-19疫情、南投仁愛鄉豪雨的災情 |
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2801.638 |
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2824.19 |
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零四、零三的花蓮地震等等為建立全會數位媒體化各部門也共同拓展原文會媒體影響力建立社群網路媒體的成果豐碩因此為建立長遠發展本會也已經同步向主管機關人民會提案規劃成立數位媒體專屬部門 |
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你增列每年4000萬,增加25名的員額,希望透過專屬的機構來促進我們的永續經營。為落實原住民語言跟傳播功能,也請各位委員大力的支持。有關相關的細節跟規劃,我們待會再報告,也一併向各位提出。以上報告,敬請指教。謝謝。 |
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2861.751 |
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好謝謝董事長的報告說明繼續我們請原委會的董事長馬耀國務報告您要幾分鐘好四分鐘好謝謝 |
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2869.123 |
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主席、各位委員。 本基金會就攸關搬遷原住民相關基金會同仁的關鍵那基金會在這個案裡面 |
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2885.862 |
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2900.615 |
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做了五次員工的這個搬遷的會議小組的會議所以一開始本基金會就跟我們基金會的同仁有做過兩次以上的這個內部意願的調查那麼兩次的意願調查裡面從 |
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分析的過程中有94%的同仁意願上是同意要到這個新的會址那在內容上是因為工作環境跟語言上的持續所以在事先先做了這個介紹之後我們做內部的意願調查那麼之後我們基金會又從實 |
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成立了這個搬遷小組搬遷小組的成員有勞方跟資方特別是有外部的一起研商有關符合勞基法包括基金會內部的工作規則所訂定的能夠符合這個部分上我們特別也實際的請同仁從自己的住處包括從自己的從辦公室 |
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搭車或者是開車搭捷運到我們新的工作地點來確認所支出的費用跟時間那也透過同仁在這個實際的前往之後依據的時間跟經費來做精準的這個討論這是第一個 |
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另外一個在搬遷的全域小組裡面我們也邀請了我們的董事會也透過了董事會裡面的討論董事會特別決議要我們基金會全力關注 |
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員工的相關權益同時也建議我們跟研文會做平台的建立所以我們在跟研文會也打有13次之多的專案小組的討論除此之外我們也把我們的共同意願共同的共識會提交給研明會讓研明會也知道現在基金會兩個基金會所做的一切努力跟讓研議會 |
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原住民族語言傳播大樓整備事宜暨調動工作地點後員工各項權益是否合乎勞動基準法 |
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新的同仁來應徵的時候我們都會讓同仁知道我們會在兩年相差不多兩年會搬遷到永久會址這是我們每一位同仁都知道包括新舊同仁都知道那麼最後一件事情是在過程在這個過程裡面我們會充分的把我們的需求跟言文會的需求 |
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會整起來然後再跟研明會來提出也希望大宴能給我們同仁在語言的發展上能夠無後過之憂以上說明 |
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非常謝謝馬耀國務董事長的說明我想今天對於新媒體營運情形這個客委會的報告其實做得非常好它的數據從這裡大家可以看一下我就不請董事長來報告了可以嗎因為你們的數據非常的清楚那我們期待委員會以後應該要撈出這樣的數據讓我們可以看到而不是只是在文字的敘述上面 |
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我們現在進行詢答 |
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本會和原民委員發言的時間是四加二必要的時候四分鐘必要的時候延長兩分鐘非本會委員發言時間是四分鐘我們上午十點三十分減止發言登記臨時提案我們截止停出的時間是十點在本會委員舉行完畢之後呢我們就請問各位委員有沒有意見我們再處理好嗎好謝謝現在進行詢答請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員來質詢謝謝 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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那 董事長好那我們今天本來題目是要講說這個大樓搬遷的部分不過我既然看到了這個題目以後我們就把這個原民台再下去看看說搜尋一下看看最近原住民電視台有沒有什麼新的新聞等等結果我就看了這個網站然後我的關鍵字就是上面這個打下去原住民族電視台打下去以後你看看跳下來的是什麼 |
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很正常吧 你自己有打過嗎 董事長你有打過嗎應該是跟這個一樣嘛 差不多嘛 對不對好 那所以他就跳電視原住民文化事業基金會 看起來不太像原民台的名字啊好 那我就又往下往下往下 欸我看到了一個最像電視台的 就是這個原住民族電視台16 然後所以我就把它按下去了嘛 因為我要看電視台嘛結果你看看這個電視台的這個網站 |
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3232.491 |
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你看到沒有 這個 影像2013年欸2013年的這個這樣對嗎這是2013年立法院質詢的影片好 再下一個2024年的5月節目表稍未刨出等一下 你們的網站這樣這樣對嗎 |
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3260.72 |
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這個報告委員這個因為我們過去是在公共電視歷史公共電視所以我們有一些資料是還在掛在公共電視那其實我們現在已經有新的網站我本來要嚇你一下看起來你沒有被嚇倒對啦 |
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3282.634 |
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這個網站是錯誤的啦這個是在2013年你們跟公共電視台還合併的時候的這個網站還在上面嘛可是你看我剛剛這樣查詢下去是不是很多人如果沒有像你們這樣這麼熟悉我們這麼熟悉原民台的歷史不知道啊原來他跟公共電視在一起後來又分開了 |
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3299.573 |
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這個的話是不是照我剛剛這樣的邏輯下去我是用原住民族電視台當關鍵字下去查查了以後找到一個最像電視台的這個連結點下去點下去以後竟然是這個那你覺得我對原民台的印象會是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3306.998 |
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當然不會很好啊所以我們現在這麼認真要對一個我們的辦公居住甚至電視台的營運大樓搬遷有做這麼好的計畫對不對今天我們特別還來質詢這個問題那我們的網站都搬家這麼久了這個部分是不是也應該要處理一下 |
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3330.79 |
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是 報告委員 我們這個盡快跟舊的就不需要的話可以移除嘛或者隱藏或者任何技術方式這技術嘛 對不對我們盡快跟公共電視今天我們就跟公共電視聯繫討論一下那再增加我們搜尋上關鍵字是 便利性 |
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3359.363 |
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好你看看因為它到現在它上面還是因為系統的關係可以自動跳2024年5月所以大家一定會覺得說這個網站還是有動啊怎麼會動成這樣好那我們再回來事實上現在原人會原民台的網站我必須說做得非常好做得非常好我們來看一下下一個這個其實因為你做得多好我就讓大家自己去看了啦這個我就不是特別說了 |
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3360.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
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甚至要更進一步說我要稱讚原民台其實大家在最近的表現真的都很不錯去年的金鐘獎我們也入圍了9項節目甚至是像樹人大冒險還直接就得獎了動畫類是第一名嘛我們就直接得獎了這麼好的節目真的要感謝大家努力用心可是啦 |
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那我今天因為本來要質詢你們嘛所以我又想下去我本來想要截圖放一些這個樹人大冒險的畫面上來可是董事長你看樹人大冒險每一集都因著作權限制僅供原始頻道收視欸 |
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請問這個問題是哪裡? |
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我們過去對著作權確實在跟委製單位或是內部的製作上在著作權的態度比較我認為是比較保守那今天我們會在 老實說我也當過製作單位啊你忘了對啊 |
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所以基本上還是預算的問題嘛因為事實上你付他多少錢那你得到的版權你可以在多少的載體上面能夠去播出你也必須讓製作團隊你不能說我付他70萬、90萬的製作費我在所有的地方通通都可以播我覺得這樣不合理你知道製作動畫多麼的昂貴嗎一集是很貴很貴的所以如果是這樣的話那他當然他先你付這個錢他只能在原事上面播放 |
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他沒有授權你YT如果要在YT要在其他部分的話要另外加錢坦白講我覺得這合理啊好可是那所以說歸到最後還是錢的問題吧預算的問題吧是的就是我們在委制的過程製作單位他也會很堅持他的著作權 |
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對這一塊我覺得我們應該用預算的方式去把它買斷或是用其他合作方式以前我在幫公共電視製作的時候我也很不希望是直接賣斷這麼便宜就買斷了這辛辛苦苦做的作品我也不希望是這樣所以說歸到底還是預算的問題 |
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那預算你到底要爭取到多少才能夠足夠這樣而且我們今天跟這個課委會來比較坦白講我們做了一個比較其實這個課委會的部分課委會第一章第一章那課委會的部分和這個課台啦課台和人民台的部分你看看我們這個載體的部分其實課台的部分 |
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坦白講還是多了一些喔他們還是空間比較多了一些尤其是在podcast我們今天也在講podcast的部分因為親子這個族語的節目部分尤其是幼兒節目部分podcast有兩種啦一種就是上班族開車當背景音樂嘛但另外一種是什麼是還不會看字的小朋友是最好的那麼你的親子幼兒節目有沒有辦法轉換成podcast的這個部分就像我自己也有一個podcast親子節目啊 |
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所以在這個狀況下你是不是可以增加費用去談到這個部分Podcast的部分是不是可以更有企圖心的尤其是在學齡前兒童的節目這個部分我是認為是原民台可以再多折磨了董事長同意嗎這也非常同意委員委員果然是專家就是我們對Podcast的經營這今年也很大的成果那在下個月我們會跟所有的節目42個節目會全部上Podcast |
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那另外就是我們也會跟spotify來做連結然後播出我是覺得應該要認真爭取預算啦如果不夠的話主席很厲害我們可以跟主席一起來爭取我們繼續努力謝謝委員謝謝主席好非常謝謝巧惠委員的質詢謝謝董事長繼續我們請麥玉珍委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們原民會請原民會的中副主委是嗎好 謝謝委員好主委好 副主委好請問一下我們原住民族的傳播大樓 渴望就是在2025年我們就啟動我們就是在搬到我們桃園 |
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所以這個就是變成永久的會址但是不過就是到現在就有很多的爭議就是關於就是我們的員工各項的權益部分一直有爭議包含就是基本居住、交通 |
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還有就是子女照顧等等的問題而我們根據勞基法第十之一條的規定僱主調動勞工工作的地點就是過眼僱主給予必要的協助就像說有很多人的反應本來原 |
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言語會跟原文會的話就是都在臺北但是現在統計班到桃園這樣的時間就是通勤的話就成本很高是否提供交通的補貼這個部分是跟委員報告因為這個在勞基法有明定就在勞基法有明文的規定必須對員工的權益保障那知方跟老方在討論這個部分的話這是一個對話平臺 |
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我們也都願意去面對來共同協助他們所以原文會也好、原語會也好這個部分都有在討論對於交通的補助的部分甚至在居住的部分都有一些討論跟對話 |
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所以現在還沒有討論出來還是說還有就是因為剛才有說居住但是居住目前在桃園就是那個租宅租宅原住民保障戶就是總戶數叫5%但是以桃園的是有12個住宿社會租宅來說是否滿足我們的員工的 |
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記住的需求,還有我們公司我們原民會裡面的成員不一定是我們全部的是原住民,雖然則他的5%以外這樣子的抽籤競爭力很大,所以應該如何來協助和補助這樣 |
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是,麥委員是不是我們請基金會來說明一下目前的進度。喂,你好。那就原語會來說,第一個就是我們已經從實際跟請同仁到桃園或者是跟桃園原民局一起來討論怎麼去做興建那個有關社會住宅的部分,這已經有兩次的會議,這是第一件事情。第二件事情我們內部已經有做充分的討論,能夠補助他們到這個租金一年 |
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二、邀請二、邀請 |
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好 謝謝因為我們關於就是我們基層員工的權利所以這個部分我們要非常的重要因為有住得好這樣子大家工作才安心對 所以第二項我想要請教一下因為我們現在就是教育部鼓勵大專業校要設原住民主學生資源中心 |
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主席 |
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跟委員報告,這個部分我們經費也有跟在教育部討論,而且人員的部分明年也會增加兩位。喔好,這樣太好了,因為要幫忙、要退協、要救協、要輔導,這樣一個人真的做不來。對,好,所以這樣子的資源中心的話,就有可以協助嗎?對,總不必要運作正常一些。 |
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像說我們是在就讀大專業校的我們的原住民學生就是修學還有退學都比較偏高這個部分是不是說我們可以有什麼的協助這個部分就是有掙扎兩個的話這個是 |
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對大家很有幫助還有要請教一下以我們的數據統計來看就是我們原住民族的學生他們有很多學習跟他們的就業有落差所以導致我們的學生得到文憑後他的工作與他的學習不符所以嚴重落差造成他們的 |
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高等的教育無法就是發揮這個部分就是需要說我們的產學合作啊還有就是我們要學習的部分是不是可以如何協助新鮮人面臨的問題還有如何讓我們的畢業生就是可以建立一個相關協議自用的機制 |
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更為包括針對大家專生我們都有一些暑期工讀甚至有一些職場體驗的這樣的一個機會讓他們也能夠到 |
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二、邀請二、邀請三、邀請四、邀請五、邀請六、邀請七、邀請八、邀請九、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、 |
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要去討論的是說我們的學生為什麼就是退學還有就是要去就學的偏低因為有很多的反應他們就是學了但是他們要去做的工作就跟他學的不一樣這樣子的話他就會去不同的領域所以他的薪水就偏低了這樣導致大家要去學習我畢業這個也沒有用我沒辦法就是讓我的專長發揮 |
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人民會這邊要多多關心更為包括我們也跟教育部青年署還有勞動部都有一些這樣的串聯合作然後就我們的學生的部分就比如說青年職涯輔導或YOU STAR這樣的一個計畫都有在推動好謝謝謝謝好非常謝謝麥瑞珍委員謝謝中型化輔助委謝謝繼續請我們的媒會顧主席質詢 |
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主席、我們這裡副主委請,總副主委還有請我們的勞動部那個副市長好,勞動部的副市長早早早早,在這裡本身要跟你們談到一個今天我們所說的說要有台北前往郊區投資在這個當中有兩個地方 |
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一位在南港、一位在我們這裡附近,整兩天要前去投降,因為環境的關係,所以在這個明年底,我們就開始準備外遷 |
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然而這裏面,我們的董事長現在一直在這項是在台北上班,現在要去唐雲上班在這個環境裏面,您剛才說有問過、有調查過,但又有很多人要繼續去那裡上班,來回答一下 |
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這個部分是不是可以請基金會來做一個說明?好,我們有請石摩老師董事長還有邁亞國務,謝謝。委員,早安。早安。目前你們這樣調查開會的費額目前為止,有多少人會想不下去?15%。15%?15%要留在台北這裡。 |
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15%的樓在台北本身再請教一下樓在台北哪一個地方 |
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我們未來會在台北租一個辦公空間來就比較緊急的業務做辦理所以大部分我們會有一個總部的概念這樣也不對你們的做法是這樣 |
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這樣是不對的捏 |
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你是不是說 請坐我想是說15%是說不要去桃園要不要怎麼處理那可能就是我們可能就會依勞動基準法去之前 |
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七次前：就會有他的福利：來,我們的問題來了。我們辦公的所在這樣啦。 喔,辦公的所在?要不然你們未來辦公的所在,你們整個要去刷去永久下,你們就要整個刷,又代罷沒辦法? |
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因為這個新聞的製作在台北市我們會有一個辦公空間比較方便台北市的新聞的辦理這樣 |
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所以我說是怎樣才能兩個都刷去永久的同意這是一個問題本來跟你們說的你們要來你們所有的機會現在辦公室要做什麼一星期來 |
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先讓我,再來本席要跟你說的就是說,你說之前會啦,在這個總統你們在這裡問的時候,那我覺得在這個85%裡面,我願意去討論,因為搬遷嘛,就是對這個所在去討論上班,但是在 |
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我認為我非常滿意,但到了通行時,我認為我越來越不適合那個環境,我更愛坐車,跟小孩的問題、中小孩的問題,跟族群的問題,因為我在台北住好,但我為了環境, |
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我亦派出頭路,我去到桃園,坐一、二個月薪,我感冒我沒適合的時候,要如何是好來。 請回答謝。 |
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報告委員,我們對員工在搬遷到桃園以後會有三個比較重要的部分,一個是租屋的補貼,第二個是...沒有啦,我現在都知道要租屋、要大、要什麼,員工人跟人的時間,有時候我在南部,我來中部住不下的時候,我也會想到要回到南部的時候,這個步驟都有啦,只是我覺得我沒辦法適應, |
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去打一、二個維新我認為沒有適合這樣他是要資遣還是會離議的來,你回答一下來,勞動部來,副市長來是,委員好來,副市長報告,剛剛委員詢問的是說如果是搬遷調動當下我如果沒有辦法過去因為他其實工作地點沒有,我一定晚一點要去是是是 |
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委員說的是有很多搬遷的這種個案這個就是所謂的猶豫期 |
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目前在法律面上面我們規範基本的是搬遷時候的離職但是呢很多的因為有工會很多工會會跟僱主談委員關心的就是你要讓我的員工有一些猶豫期 |
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對,這是重點,我現在今天主席剛才在問到重點要示範的時候就是這個重點那委員提的猶豫期我們很多的企業會跟工會談在協商在搬遷之前會談猶豫期要多久猶豫期到了時候員工還有一個選擇那那個選擇如果員工要離開的時候是不是優於法令給予一些補償這個會在雙方協商的時候來議定下來喔好,來那個副主委 |
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剛才這樣說的,你有聽到嗎?對,有聽到,因為不願意的話當然非自願離職必須有一些事業的給付,但是那個緩衝期的話我現在就是跟你說,跟他們選擇的,是有時候我們真的去跟他們的環境,我們又不適合的時候,跟他們說我又當時沒有這個選擇的時候,是不是有這個阿蘇米亞?也謝謝委員,這個有先見之明,因為有人搬過去還會猶豫 |
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所以我們會跟基金會來討論是不是有一個緩衝期讓員工有這樣的一個思考我認為你若要緩衝期的心我們在這裡跟你建議最起碼要三個月因為這個三個月以後適應那些安排好 |
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謝謝美會委員的質詢 |
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很遺憾你們今天在這個說明裡面並沒有而是我們的委員質詢呢你們才清楚知道必須要有三個月的期限讓他有一個適應期今天為什麼也是請這個療動部來的關係就是我們這些搬遷員工的權益的問題其實你們開了那麼多次會似乎好像沒有到重點裡面而且也沒有告訴我們你們怎麼解決好不好謝謝那繼續請徐宇貞委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,我們請客委會州副主委跟原民會中副主委好,有請中副主委以及客委會的副主委,謝謝 |
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我想請教一下根據立法院的預算中心的資料顯示客家電視台跟講客廣播電台這幾年來的節目製播率都不高大概在110年到112年8月底客家電視台節目的自製比例 |
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大概是33.2到38.2之間而講客廣播電台的自治比例是44.7到46之間也就是說客家電視台跟講客廣播台這自治率都會達五成那客家電視台566號正式加入公廣集團之後節目的自治率是否可以提高到五成以上請回答 |
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老委員報告,在之前應以從日報與行言開始,人家還要開始統計資料,你不想非...等一下,可以先暫停嗎?因為我沒有那個...好我們現在就是暫停一下,來請...好,請問委員,請問主席對,提供耳機翻譯的好,請問委員 |
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好,翻譯機開啟了嗎?請問是余政委員可以嗎?那請副主委您再說。好,請問主席,請問委員的職高。從一般有行人到一般有行人,還有建設大樓,還有傳播基金會之間的節目, |
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您在1993年經營開始您的職格作為節目的比例未增加到五上以上。然後委員報告。 |
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就這部分希望說我們既然已經編列那麼多預算成立電視台跟廣播電台希望自治率都要提高那尤其是我想我們在看電視的時候常常發現有些電影台老是重播一些舊電影就像周星馳的《唐伯虎點秋香》跟《九品芝麻官》至少我想也重播過100次以上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
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大家都對於劇情倒背如流也覺得支付這個有線電視台的費用卻只能看舊片都覺得很不划算所以有人就把家中電視的這個有線電視台就直接退掉然後就看網路的這個節目而客家台跟園民台政府也每年編列很多預算在這邊 |
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二、邀請二、邀請三、邀請四、邀請五、邀請六、邀請七、邀請八、邀請九、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、邀請十、 |
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兩位副主委請問覺得客家台跟原民台的節目是越盛越香也要跟這個周星馳的糖果點綴香要多看幾次才能品嘗出味道嗎?請回答好,好,那我委員報告齁,針對黑咖甜食台的部分齁,當然其實從去年演藝工事發事務發自後齁,演藝黑咖甜食台時間的演藝工場的公佈節目齁 |
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所以,因爲爲了希望,當然採討了委員所提到的這家族的節目的比例,應該會提高,但是在下的情況下,因爲朝因爲共窮天使法律的首長自豪,因爲了因爲是敢於公共 |
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因為這個部分,如果大部分都是舊的節目的話,你說怎麼可以吸引,不管是我們原民台,或者是客家台,副主委有什麼要補充的嗎?謝謝委員,因為其實原民 |
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十六組文化非常的豐富在語言文化的節目應該做直播性的節目應該不是一件很難的事所以我們這個部分我們是不是也求精進能夠做改善OK 現在只有25%你們可以精進的空間非常的多所以再麻煩不管是客家台或者是這個園民台都一定要為受眾者提供最好最新而且讓他們覺得很有興趣想看的節目然後我們也可以發覺就是剛剛講的其實都只有兩成多 |
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但是說實在我們也沒有看到目前不管是客委會或是園民台這邊有在認真監督反而是客委會跟客傳會卻都認知作戰比較感興趣像是1977年的那一張照片我們可以看到110年12月24號跟漢草文創事業股份有限公司簽約那在111年5月大概才這個底定確認 |
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一旦是109年就開始分年編列預算,副主委請問對媒體表示投資這部電影要五千萬而客船會109年才成立的基金也不過才五千萬所以客船會準備全部收哈在這部電影嗎?不成功變成人嗎?那我們也一直看不到客船會分年編列的五千萬在哪裡 |
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姓毛主委、委員會主席,雙方的任務報告是以提督及提請人的總相片提供希望未來參考市場運作、市場挑擺、提供對客家的提示 |
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本時想請教您的是五千萬是編列在哪裡?五千萬,因為當年又建築所有傳播基金會,當年又補儲傳播兩年的預算但是你們是111年才簽約才確認,那為什麼109年就開始編列預算? |
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按照委員報告,從1898年開始,應建築5,000萬份核核傳播基金會。從1898年開始,當年核核資源委員會又建築核傳委員會兩餘餘生,所以當年又編列相關的餘生來挑戰核核養殖執照。當年都有編列。 |
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每年編列預算也就是說109年你們開始編列預算那111年才開始執行這個電影的確認它的什麼分廠大綱啊一些的內容才確認那我不曉得前兩年的經費是做在哪裡另外就是根據你們客傳會的預算書第8頁的一些重點工作計畫我們發覺 |
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今年度我們編列的預算大概就五千萬會在各類的這個電影投資裏面但是客人會投資1977這部電影就要花五千多萬那請問其他的這個客家電影的計劃是都沒有嗎?那委員報告 因為當然除了這種相片的這部電影之外 因為當然很有勞因為香港傳播基金會在合作其他的電影 |
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二、邀請二、邀請三、邀請四 |
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客委會這邊能夠審慎的來評估這樣的這個分配所有的你們的經費是不是得當以上 許莫委員謝謝宇珍委員的質詢謝謝兩位副主委 謝謝繼續我們請劉許廷委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 原民會有請 |
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主委早安上次我們質詢的時候就有討論到搬遷的問題今天針對勞動權益的部分來做一下探討原住民語言傳播大樓花了我們17億的公帑在去年的12月底在青埔已經上糧當然有一段時間大概2025年大家就可以有一個遷入但是今天討論的重點是 |
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5090.286 |
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這個搬家姿勢體大嘛我想請問一下這個原文會跟原語會兩個要進到桃園青埔的新大樓總共有多少員工受到影響應該是全部吧全部嘛也就是原文會的270個人跟原語會的46個人嘛對不對全部都要搬家嘛對不對照理說那是永久辦公室那永久辦公室嘛沒錯所以這些員工你們現在都坐吊子他們都住哪裡 |
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基本上像研議會的部分大部分分散在北部桃園跟我們桃基的雙北市 |
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所以看起來影響應該有限囉?如果都在因為我們現在講北北桃北北幾桃都是所謂的一日生活圈會有哪些衝擊?你們收到哪些不滿的意見?第一個就是那個住宅住宅第二個是交通還有一個是兒女教育兒女教育?好大概是分這幾個問題我先從交通的問題來探討因為 |
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照理來說清普已經算是桃園交通相對便利的地方基本上機場捷運、高鐵等等算是滿被重視的地方他們交通的問題是哪一部分呢?還是離現在住的地方太遠了?要通勤?剛委員在做說明現在目前是因為大部分的同仁這樣要到搭便利的地方有一段路他不一定是在那個主要的交通路線這是第一個所以我們做那個盤點之後有做那個實際的盤點 |
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你講清楚一點你說他現在是從臺北出來然後到桃園不方便還是從桃園要到你這個新的大樓不方便是從住的地方因為他分散在不同的大臺北區是這是第一個要到 |
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我剛剛聽前面委員的答詢,你們說15%的人是不願意搬遷的就對了? |
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對我們上次調查是15%這很可怕因為我剛剛聽到你回答的時候你講說如果他們不願意的話就要直接支錢這個不太好啦不是就是如果他不願意如果他不願意到新的工作地點那當然就是依法支錢他要付他的福利啦 |
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我們今天要討論這個題目其實就是希望配套很完整啦如果真的是我們這樣子然後之前的15%的員工還大部分都是原住民弟兄的話這恐怕會引起很大的社會爭議啦所以不要這樣說啦我們再補充一下就是我們在9次跟工會的討論已經達成更多的共識越來越多員工會移動 |
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這根據勞動基準法10條之一的規定這個調動工作不得違反勞動契約以及等等那其中有一條想調動地點過遠的時候僱主應與必要之協助所以其實法院上給了這個原民會一定的空間我覺得應該要編列合理的交通運轉來做一些補貼這個具體事實如果調查出來後整理應該是沒有問題你們現在有方向沒有 |
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因為我這我不得不先說一下因為你報告裡面第三頁有個還蠻好笑的你說因應搬遷權益要先興建合宜住宅我跟你講興建合宜住宅是好事啊就是員工宿舍本期是支持不管是產業也好政府也好給員工一定的這個住宿的基本待遇本來就是照顧勞工的一環這是我是非常贊成的可是問題是你現在才講說我要研擬興建合宜住宅的方法會不會有點太晚啊2025都要搬家了那你合宜住宅什麼時候才來因為包括就是他們的需求有提在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
4月23號他們來我們會裡面有提出這個需求不過這個方案都需要評估因為有沒有土地這個都要去做面對處理好那你既然提了有沒有方向上我是不反對的但是你既然提了那你有沒有明確的時間合一住宅的這部分因為這個部分的具體具體的計畫我們請他們在5月22號再提供給我們 |
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五月二十二號再提供給我們他明年就要搬進去了那這等合一住才蓋好這中間三、五年要怎麼辦因為合一住可能是比較難一些這是我要講的第二個問題啦就是說你長線來你如果有辦法跟桃園市政府妥善的合作本席非常支持你需要我幫忙協助溝通我也樂意扮演這樣的角色看看有沒有好的土地可以做這樣的配套但是中間總有過渡期嘛這三到五年也許更久這中間的過渡期你的方案是什麼現在看起來剛剛在答詢的過程中其實講得很清楚就是通勤的問題嘛是 |
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從台北怎麼樣快速的送到青埔中間是不是轉三次車會不會很麻煩怎麼樣規劃一定的路線或者是提供一定的交通津貼你們這部分現在有沒有方案跟草案 |
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這個部分等基金會把計畫提給我們,我們大概就會編在我們的預算裡面。會編預算嗎? |
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是是。好,除了大概,你們要補充嗎?報告委員,就是我們其實現在優先的是社會住宅的方案,那桃園市政府也願意配比比例給優先給我們兩會這樣,那合一住宅其實是我目前想比較後進的方案,比較快是社會住宅。 |
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社會住宅優先搬入社會住宅就對了本期要提醒因為桃園的社會住宅應該需求量也蠻大第二個桃園境內的大眾運輸還有待加強這當然我們希望中央可以全力來支持但即便有社會住宅你可能還是會遇到通勤的問題再怎麼樣有政策的安排都會有過渡期 |
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所以我希望過陸期我會看到一定的專案的預算的編列不管你是講說我補貼通勤的交通因為我轉車的次數變多了也許你補貼1200月票啊或怎麼樣也是一件好事或者是福島租屋嘛你講社會住宅是一種那不見得所有人都住得到嘛這個還是有這個排序的問題嘛那沒有住社會住宅的人是不是用福島租屋的包租代管或什麼周邊的他可能距離很近嘛我也沒錯就是我們在近期會提前用包租代管的方式讓同仁能夠有住的 |
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你的目標很單純就這個15%最好是可以歸零不要有員工因為你的搬遷而離開這才是正確的方向現在這個比例大概更低了那你不要講15%之前很恐怖因為之前我們的調查是這樣目標就是用多種政策手段而且尤其是過渡期要把它安排好我們希望這個搬遷的工程可以順利如果你需要跟桃園市政府來做溝通我非常樂意扮演這樣一個角色 可以嗎謝謝委員好 謝謝辛苦了 |
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有請中副主委 |
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安委好副主委是我想請問一下這個今年的5月份前幾天的新聞八載族向原民會申請成為台灣第17族有沒有這件事情有有那最後也是沒有還沒有成功嗎 |
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對,我們已經受理他們的申請,那我們親自到南投,我們派處長去受理他們希望能夠被列為原住民族這樣的一個申請證明 |
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你要知道我今天為什麼特別這個我也不是說因為有很多的這個語言快速的流失那你要知道像八載族他也不是只在南投他在台中也很多有新竹以南到南投都有對啊那其實他很多的也都在台中啊對不對 |
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有一個問題就是說如果我們現在的政策跟法定規定如果它不是我們認定的組裡面它這個傳統語言的補助教學我們就沒有辦法補助很多 對不對 |
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我們目前的拼譜組也不是法定原住民族但是我們從98年開始有一個推動小組就語言文化部分都有協助補助這10年來大概也是已經超過10億的補助語言的附贈我跟你講喔就我手頭上的資料雖然是有補助但是補助的金額沒有像其他的族群那麼多 |
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而且像這個八載族他在2011年他本來要去參加我們文學獎結果主辦方就說八載族並非官方承認的民族所以取消他的資格 |
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有很多法令上的問題是不是目前好像也會遇到這個狀況不過我更正一下剛剛講的是10年來大概1億多不是10億我正要問你你趕快說了我手頭上的資料就沒這麼多我正要我為什麼要跟你講這個你知道嗎比如說有一個我們語言發展法裡面這個原住民族 |
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語言的搶救計畫你知道這個族語的師徒制有沒有這個事情有我覺得這個非常好欸是這個讓很多原來不會然後他這個啊讓很多這個年輕的一代啦年輕的一代他馬上很快的學會他的族語對不對對沒有錯師徒制運作起來還蠻成功的 |
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對啊 你看那個少族的師徒之舊非常齁 兩三個很像所以我現在我要說的就是說雖然啦齁有一些像八載族或其他有一些族他還沒有變成正式成立的族不過語言文化的流失現在是很快速的是 對不對是 沒有錯沒有錯嘛齁 在這個情況之下 |
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我們要不要在法令許可的範圍內啊比如說像這個師徒制的這個不然我看你再過幾年這些語言都不見了耶八載族的語言什麼樣的語言都不見了他雖然現在還沒有官方正式的承認不過這些語言我們必須要留下來吧這些文化我們必須要留下來吧不然哪一天你 |
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你跟他講說我承認你承認你你的文化什麼都沒了甚至還沒等到你承認的話可能他什麼都沒有是各位報告因為憲判是17號就已經把他們列為是南島語系民族的後裔所以其實如果政策決定這個計畫的狀況我們應該在語言文化的部分就可以更多的依註在這個裡面所以現在可不可以做應該是可以做而且我們現在也針對他們開始在開始登記希望能夠證明原住民這個部分 |
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那我們其實從98年就開始做只是這個經費的部分可能挹注的不是那麼多我知道你們之前有做你們有去做很多的這一些你有去找他們的棋老甚至有錄音有什麼有保存他們的語言嘛我都知道嘛但語言是活的嘛語言不是在收音機裡面錄音帶裡面或YouTube裡面你去這好像就變成歷史了啊 |
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對不對這些人都是活的啊 對不對我的意思是說在法令許可的範圍雖然他還沒有正式成為我們原住民族中的一族不過語言文化我覺得你們也可以去跟文化部合作啊大家一起找經費拿錢把這些語言文化要留下來啊我覺得這個才是我今天跟你說的重點 |
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他還沒有成為原住民族的一組沒有錯不過語言文化你們應該也可以去找文化部去找什麼一起找資源一起找至少把這個語言文化留下我覺得這個一年花不了多少錢 |
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你像司徒志一年也花沒多少錢啊對不對我覺得我們要積極的先處理這一塊啦不知道您的看法我贊同委員的說法所以之前我們也跟文化部還有合作就是對那個台南的北投洋也有對他們的這樣的文化做附贈 |
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我說的你們有做一點沒有錯但做到我認為還不及格啦你要多做到幾個你至少要及格把文化保存下來啊那有很多啊不是只有單一啊我要全面的趕快去搶救這些啦好不好沒有問題我們會把它放在我們跟文化部的平台把它做一個討論好謝謝委員好謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢 |
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謝謝 也謝謝中副主委繼續我們請黃建斌委員質詢 待會在召委高層說明質詢結束之後我們休息5分鐘好 謝謝謝謝主席 我們有請我們的中副主委還有我們的周副主委 中副主委跟中副主委 謝謝黃委員長 |
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兩位副主委早安早今天這個議題其實跟台東其實都有很多連結因為台東雖然人口少可是族群特別多元也原住民、客家族群都有那這邊就叫兩位副主委一些問題第一個我想請教的就是我們的我們中副主委是 |
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所以我們其實這麼多年一直在推動就是五語言的振興這個計畫那其實之前看到在基層特別是幼兒教育這邊有一定的成效 |
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那這邊要給我們的委員會來肯定不過其實我們還是有發現一些問題所以我們在2023年12月我們提出的這個原住民的一些相關的一些特別是在教會這邊的計畫這邊獎勵計畫但我們發現不管是學校或是教會他回到家庭的時候發現一個問題就是在家庭這邊沒有辦法連結 |
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就是大部分的家庭裡面說母語的還是不高啦你有沒有辦法營造家庭教育裡面能夠有說母語這件事我覺得對母語發展其實是相對重要好像學校都會講嘛可是其實一個禮拜一堂課對他母語發展其實很有限除非原本就在部落裡面部落裡面都說族語那在都會區裡面他有沒有這樣的環境 |
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再多一句我們還是有一些族語教學的相關工作包括語言潮這個部分的推動好 謝謝我想這個部分都是還是要再加強是 是那另外我想要再請教就是說我看到今天的工作報告這是我早上看到的那我想有些不了解的地方我想要請教兩位主委 |
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那在我們的那個客戶會公共傳播基金會裡面提到是在113年要編列1500萬的預算來投入在我們新媒體運用那你們預計要增額40個人來完成相關的一些計畫那雲林會你編列的是4000萬你增額25元那你要做的成效大概在哪邊因為早上其實不管是召回其他的 |
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四千萬的部分我們有一些項目 |
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我們提六年的中長程計畫,原民會假設合訂我們,我們可以有兩億的預算去推動整個數位的發展,包括社群媒體的經營,包括網路電視的經營,朝這個方向去執行。 |
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謝謝董事長你說明我們都知道其實現在在年輕人在網路使用這塊特別是自媒體越來越頻繁那我們所看到的所有的計畫都是針對我們有線電視的收入可是對於外面年輕人這一塊其實我們沒有考慮到我覺得這是未來也要再著重的地方 |
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報告委員就是我們現在經營新媒體就是網路媒體那我們對年輕人的吸收黏著度主要放在跟他們話題相近的地方包括音樂包括次文化包括其他等等部分我們這個部分目前也都一直在持續進行 |
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謝謝董事長的說明 董事長我這邊補充一下我想要藉著這些謝謝當時在本席當任鄉長的時候我們的那個原住民族文化事業基金會對大樓鄉的協助本席擔任鄉長過去四年有發行了兩張的原住民專輯 |
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本席會做這兩張專輯的這個特別介紹最主要原因是其實我們用的成本並不高這張我記得是補助50萬然後還有下一張 |
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第二張這是林班哥的部分也是50萬的那我們用兩張我們用這樣的預算然後讓最主要是讓民眾參與這件事情讓他們覺得說母語的方式其實可以透過不同的方式來呈現最重要的是讓各個年齡族群都能夠加入我想這個方法是過去我們嘗試也很算成功的方式希望這方面我們可以繼續來努力我想要謝謝原民會過去對大樓鄉的協助 |
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那另外這邊我想再暫一點點時間我想請教課委會的部分是 許莫維來 |
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副主委 上次本席停掉台東是一個多元的移民社會那上次跟我們主委聊的時候就是說當時台東的族群比較特別因為他的腔調有比較多元因為我們針對說少數使用不同客語腔調的協助未來有沒有相關的推動計畫就是有些是四線腔也有海線腔那我們在教育都是一種方式嘛那未來在這一塊有沒有要加強的地方有沒有什麼規劃好 希望委員會舉稿 |
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其實我講的合流強制的才是合格強調的比較好少數的啦但是推動的部分主要比如說我們的中天發展企業被騙的三家鄉親主要不是合流強所以我們除了主要使用的私人強制外我們才渡時到我們合格中天發展企業還有推廣我們某種種通的強調然後實際才共有普遍的合格的地盤 |
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普遍、全普遍用,不想通財體的空調內推廣應援是,另外也要再請教副主委我們像課委會推動課宇的這個制度傳新傳的制度齁因為台中縣現在擁有40名取得資格的這個認證的教學者但是他年紀都很大了齁他在教學上未來會面臨一個斷層的問題那現在的年金使用網路這麼高你們未來是不是有便利預算在啟動在線上教學跟認證這一塊 |
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韓國瑜議員主席 |
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副主委 副主委本席剛才提到兩個案子其實相對的就是不管是園民會或是客委會其實有一個很重要的元素在推廣語言文化上流行是一個很重要的元素那未來是不是像我們之前看到那個查經的這個電影讓更多人來了解台灣的客家文化那這個是不是未來客委會有打算繼續推這個串聯的名台讓我們的戲劇或電影或者是實境秀來讓客家文化能夠更多人來了解我想這個真的是哈客啦齁 |
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那這邊也要期許我們客會會跟我們園民會那未來在文化土壤上能夠繼續加油謝謝好 謝謝兩位副主委謝謝金平委員也請金平委員代召委好嗎謝謝 |
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好,接下來我們請高津召委質詢謝謝主席,我們請原民會中副主委、原文會邢邦拉斯董事長、原語會的馬耀古木董事長,還有勞動部的黃副司長請中副主委及以上提到的這些官員上台備詢 |
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請問一下預計什麼時候搬到新大樓也就是原住民族語言傳播大樓這個是誰要回答我?14年12月預計完工但是搬遷大概是15年年初請問一下搬到桃園之後呢大台北地區會不會還會有一個所謂的北區中心呢?北區中心可能就在...報告委員就是為了新聞製作我們會有一個有一個分...中心在這裡 |
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因為中央部門、單位都是在臺北也是所謂的資訊交流的集中地請問這個問題,你們在搬遷之前有沒有想過?有,我們在搬遷的小組都有做討論北區中心又要花錢租,對不對?大概會有多少人這樣來來去去?以你們估計?它是一個辦公區塊提供給記者在臺北發稿的區域會在哪裡?我們會招標所以還會有一筆錢? |
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員工的權益部分在一年度是編列兩千萬 |
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一年兩千萬這兩千萬包括托育補助搬遷補助合一住宅的規劃是嗎是是是好所以要準備要幾年三年三年一年兩千萬等於就是還會有兩六千萬那萬一這些人在三年當中就是他的權益沒被照顧到那怎麼辦 |
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我們一樣是會以勞基法的方式請問一下黃副司長目前這個案子你們有介入嗎在他們針對這個部分的討論之後你們有沒有把你們相關應該我們的這個員工應該要的福利有提醒他們注意些什麼 |
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報告委員因為這個案子之前原民會是沒有請我們勞動部提供什麼協助今天我邀請你來了所以呢從今天開始你沒有介入然後原民會也好所以原文會董事長也好原語會董事長也好你們所謂的這個討論小組今天必須要加入我們勞動部然後要把員工權益放在第一也就是我為什麼今天會邀請勞動部來的原因好嗎副市長謝謝 |
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我在4月8號執行客傳會的董事董事長的時候我針對客傳會執行的網路媒體的成效我認為值得我們的原文會來效法學習所以今天我也特別安排一個專案報告說因應當代新媒體發展的趨勢來擬定經濟的策略在這裡呢我要給客傳會肯定今天你們的報告書非常的完整你不僅僅提供了文字的敘述你還把 |
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大數據撈出來然後匯整成圖卡或者是列表來呈現其中跟包含了所有類別的成效率、觸及率這樣的精細我們可以讓在座的每一個立法委員一目了然但是反觀原文會我感到非常的失望今天原文會的書面報告裡面欠缺所有的數據還有你的執行率還有你的成效率、數據率沒有這些數據讓我們怎麼知道你們所有的計劃成效呢 |
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怎麼樣讓我們立法委員審查你們的預算呢來看看原文會報告書第15頁你們有說要成立數位媒體部跟建置原住民族數位影音平台你們要邁向未來的趨勢你有提到原文會吸引媒體之路雖然在受限條件之下你們仍然透過社群媒體跟節目內容製作獲得各界的熱烈迴響什麼叫做熱烈迴響請董事長簡單說明一下沒有數據什麼叫做熱烈迴響 |
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你們要向主管機關提案,然後規劃未來要成立數位媒體專屬部門。你們 |
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預計要編列每年度常態性的業務預算4000萬新增人額25名編制三個業務組別為社群策略組還有平台發展組還有快運內容組透過專屬的部門來推動原文會的數位轉型對嗎? |
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我是支持原文會的數位轉型可是原文會你們到底有沒有清楚知道你們轉型到底要轉到哪裡啊數位轉型不是繼續停留在攝影棚拍攝、錄製節目而應該是要更多元化嘛 是吧 |
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所以是不是可以不要在攝影棚也可以在街頭啊也更可以在任何角落啊那形式上除了我們的電視還有廣播之外我們的FB、IG、Pocket或者是各類的短影應該都可以嘛所以你們原文會你們看過客傳會的客新聞嗎 |
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他們在AFP和IG都可以看到他們的瀏覽他們是以新媒體多元化的主題讓各個年齡層的人都有興趣關注甚至他們在政策上面的宣導都可以展示他們的多變性但是我了解的是原文會和客傳會你們曾經有談過如何讓我們的原文會更精進或者是研發請問現在的進度到哪裡你們決策又什麼 |
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原民會你們支持同意嗎?就是剛剛一直在講的這個4千萬嗎?是,我們支持也希望他們列入114到119年的原住民族文化那副主委你清楚知道你清楚知道人家客船會才花多少錢嗎?而且現在人家已經在做了 |
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所以一定要編4千萬才會有這個然後你們還是一個中長程計畫接著看一下一樣報告書第16月委員會在今年度也就是2024 3月29號向主管機關提案也就是原民會114到119年度的中長程計畫就是我剛剛講的建制專屬原住民族數位影音平台然後以6年為期 |
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第一到第二年是要平台建置期第三到第四年是數位影音優質內容產製期預計從每年自製內容兩部外部構製五部我們看一下客傳會第一頁報告書看一下 |
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他明確指出客傳會要辦理新媒體營運一年編列1500萬的預算請問原文會董事長為什麼需要提案114到119年度的中長程計畫然後你們說要建置專屬原住民族數位影音平臺請問你們是要在現有的社群網路比如說FB IG Pocket來做還是你們所謂兩年的平臺建置其實要開發新的系統新的APP請問一下 |
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是 數位媒體這一塊有非常就是發展上的快變動性所以我們在所以你一定要有這個所謂的這個中長程計劃你才能做嗎那你要做什麼你也清楚嗎請問原民會副主委你同意他這個案子嗎 |
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他的論述還有他的數據的基礎夠不夠支持你們來支持他這個中長程計劃還是他只要調整現在的方向就可以了?目前因為才剛剛送來你們不瞭解是不是?所以所以呢副主委回答之前我們看一下原民會的報告第三頁 |
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你們有關原文會營運情形及如何因應新媒體發展趨勢第二點你說原文會已經在110年在原文會的文化行銷部已經籌設了新媒體組這是任務編組主要任務是經營管理維護社群媒體平台還有製作新媒體影音跟Podcast節目所以副主委你們110年已經籌設新媒體組了為什麼今天原文會還要提案中長城計畫 |
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請問一下報告委員我們現在新媒體的任務編組是4個人然後每年是350萬這個非常小的規模所以110年你們已經跟原民會討論這個問題了嘛對吧 |
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我們有跟主管機關來提出我們在這塊的需求那你們現在做了怎麼樣的精進?怎麼樣的進步?怎麼樣的數據?我們除了Podcast我們在YT、Youtube在哪裡啊?數據?你今天客委會都已經把這些他從什麼時候開始然後增加到去請那個助理再回到那個客委會今天的 |
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你連這個東西在110年你跟原文會已經提出了你們都沒有這些數據告訴我們啊是 這個數據我們有我們立刻再提供那為什麼今天不提出來呢我先在這邊講如果你們之前在現有的制度都做不好我是堅決你們要再提出這些預算的啦檢討一下原文會的營運情形 |
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然後,原文會,你們的營運情形你們只講發揮守護台灣多元文化價值的媒體影響力然後正是原文會發展數位媒體的目標你們這次沒有提原文會整體的營運樣貌你覺得現在很好了嗎? |
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請問一下董事長,你們怎麼樣跟原語會怎麼樣在原文、原民台的或者是廣播裡面來增加我們現在原語會很清楚我們現在不叫羅馬拼音,我就講一個最簡單的事不叫羅馬拼音,它叫原住民文字,你們做了什麼樣的宣傳廣告?你們在所有的現在既有的能夠露出來的這邊有教育了社會大眾嗎? |
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很顯然很顯然你們並沒有做得很好所以原民會主委副主委是您知道原民會除了在臺北總部有電視台之外我現在在因為議題太多了齁有電視總部電視台廣播台之外還有三個地方有設置原民台的新聞中心嗎有有在台東有好請問一下中部有新聞中心對不對對南部有新聞中心對不對台中也有東部有新聞中心對不對是是是 |
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現在已經是5G的時代了網速和雲端科技非常發達了傳送影片速度也非常快所以我們必要再設計所謂的地方中心嗎是不是應該要整體檢討了而且我還聽說有非常多的中心現在是養老院所以請問副主委原民會你們清楚知道有這個三個這個中心它的執行力怎麼樣 |
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你覺得原住民立法委員可以做你們的後盾嗎? |
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我們是不是再瞭解一下目前請問一下簡單的說明 委員會董事長為什麼報告書看不到總部還有三個地方的說明還有數據是難道我還要再排一個專案報告嗎還是呢在一個專案報告裡面你們就可以把你們現在所做的事情全部講清楚把數據提出來然後未來還有什麼經濟還有你們必須要檢討的部分你今天的報告書不應該是這樣子嗎 |
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在補充跟委員做報告就是我們三個中心最主要是能夠就近對部落的新聞去做cover我知道現在已經是5G時代了你覺得還需要這幾個中心嗎還是需要記者去採訪還需要這幾個中心嗎那現在這幾個中心它的執行力怎麼樣好不好 |
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那未來還有一個臺北的喔你們現在有四個中心喔然後你們要錢給錢要人給人但是你們最基層的員工的權益你們最基層的員工的權益就我知道還沒有勞動部的最新的薪資喔你們是不是要報告 |
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你們是不是要報告一下我不是說搬遷的我說以既有的最基礎的員工的權益你們都還沒有照顧到喔所以 |
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我希望今天我講了非常多的原文會不管是5G未來的時代或者是現在多媒體的不管是你們的營運的部分或者是為了要搬遷的部分有很多的問題所以我希望中府主委跟原語會也好原文會也好一定要針對這一次搬遷大樓之後我們還有哪一些要精進要檢討的部分 |
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不是花了17億就兩手一攤然後什麼也都不檢討了所以我請原文會兩週之內也請原民會還有原文會你們再整理出最好的書面報告還有你們的各項數據還有規劃否則的話身為一個原住民的立法委員從最早的電視台的成立然後離開公共電視然後現在我們有一個專屬自己的基金會不管是原文會不管是原民會 |
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你們都要什麼都給什麼,但是你們真的有做很好嗎?在這裡我必須說,你們不及格。謝謝。謝謝高津召委的質詢。那本席這邊也謝謝高津召委幫本席來補充很多的問題想要了解。那雖然本席不是原住民的利益,但是我們也會支持原住民的政策。前提是我們原民會真的要加油,實在是真的。 |
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謝謝 好 我們現在休息五分鐘 待會再繼續質詢 |
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好 謝謝 我們繼續開始我們的開會繼續請盧憲一委員質詢 謝謝主席 幫我請兩位董事長請兩位 對不起兩位 袁王輝跟袁宇輝董事長OK 好 西蒙老師也要鼓勵兩位董事長 謝謝兩位董事長好 |
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我想知道就是說我剛剛看到第一頁就是原民會的報告就是年度預算是4.62億元跟2.9億元這個費用多久沒有調了報告委員我們的預算十年都沒有調整從東森開始我們一直沒有調整所以你覺得這樣合理嗎這個對我們來說很困難因為其他客台你知道現在紐西蘭多少嗎 |
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十億毛利電視台毛利對他原本在2021年的時候大概只有3億的台幣3億多不到4億台幣可是現在已經高達超過9億了所以這方面是你們要努力還是當然我們在力求精進以外就是我們也一直跟主管機關來反映那公共電視台是多少 |
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公共電視是24那柯佳呢?柯佳目前是6億還有台語台是9億你要講說我們現在是16組加上未來的評估組所以這個預算一定是不夠的對不對?不夠,非常不夠,短缺一定要讓大家知道非常不夠我們原語會目前的預算是2.9億那柯佳呢? |
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對,跟委員說明一下,我們原來是2億,那後來是因為有國家研發方法就增加1億,所以2.9現在客價多少你知道嗎? |
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我不清楚7億,大概7億嘛,那你在做有聲詞典字典這個部分做了多少努力? |
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目前我們現在至少有一個族群醫樂園可是我在看的時候好像內容都沒有進步或者說很像只是一個小學生的一個層級對那個時候是我們有在做討論內部討論也都做招標這是第一個那麼第二個是目前我們已經有在招標已經在處理了那個有關AI的部分 |
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那APP的部分呢APP我們有也是有嗎我們也有對我們研議會本身就有APP因為我只有看到說你的人事費用是佔了13.5可是其他的細項我就看不到說你到底錢花在哪裡 |
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我們會再給委員這個內部的說明那我知道說你們是永久繪紙那為什麼不當初做一個類似興建合宇住宅這個部分呢你看你未來有通勤補助、遷居補助、住宿補助如果是永久繪紙我們乘100年好了那你一年如果你一年多少錢然後乘100的話遠遠超過你興建那個合宇住宅的一個那個數字啊不是嗎 |
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以後未來的國家博物館也是原住民博物館因為我們原住民都上去在全國然後你設置一個單位在那裡你一定要先解決員工的住宿的問題跟委員說明我們那個補助是大概一年左右所以我的意思是你們的召集委員或者是專門委員是不是在 |
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在做開會的時候應該要把這個優先當作第一項目啊,不然員工去哪裡找地方住呢?謝謝委員,我們也跟桃園市政府有在第一次時間有做,他們有提供這樣的一些方案,我們也納入我們那個積極的這個討論。那我先關稅,我把這個作業 |
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7836.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7855.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
我希望那個永久會子專小組的成員名單專業設備諮詢小組的名單我希望能夠有組別專業別彙整給我們好不好因為我覺得怎麼去看呢說像是單一族群然後專業委不知道專業在哪裡是不是讓我們可以更透明化 |
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7879.951 |
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你們的真正在上面在做事情的人你們的那個角度在哪裡可不可以跟委員說明我們這個跟言文和言明會我們都有那個相關的專業背景跟有關原住民文化藝術的這個委員在參與最後一個就是你們的建立溝通機制跟反饋機制是透過通訊軟體然後溝通機制跟反饋機制你可以做一個舉例嗎 |
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你們在處理員工的溝通跟委員說明我們有一個定期的勞資勞方跟資方勞資方的這些定期的會議是你透過資訊軟體但是我們當然內部會有這個我們然後也有實體的會議這是第一個方法那我們看商業好了就是那個工會 |
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那我是希望不要原文會或是原語會常常會出現這樣的問題好不好因為我們已經好不容易建立了一個比如說我們要消弭我們原住民的所謂的被主流社會歧視可是常常會出現這樣的問題的時候是不是要盡力的來消弭這樣的一個聲音好不好 |
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至少我們在語言的部分上我們很快的就會做反應原民台我剛看了就是原文會的有三個目標對不對未來因應那我希望這個消米族群族群的歧視這個部分應該多做努力是 |
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7955.906 |
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目前看到這個圖都是過去的發生的 我知道我說未來你們因應新媒體的一個策略的時候你要把蕭敏騎士這個部分放進來你要多做努力而不是只是針對軟體的運用什麼什麼的因為你就跟別的電視台是一樣的了我們在電視的節目有一個立馬幫幫忙是專門討論性別跟族群的一點 |
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二、邀請二、邀請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
周副主委 |
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副主委,您有去過善假時從嗎?有,信奉您敢說哪一份?有動到昨天政府的會所。對,動到。昨天請你來本豪道的基金會規宣,您的善假時從嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8028.563 |
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當然,在新峰香港所看未來的經濟風向有半年,因為其實在新峰有新莊的樹莊,就是在三甲樹莊到底是…在東郷,東郷全部都蓋上了。快點,快點。快點,拜託了。 |
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8045.997 |
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我希望你做到結束做我們的輔助委要為我們香港人努力三、我先請問我們信部的圖書館的設備更新還有我們信部老街中我們香港中的 |
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8071.806 |
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8083.078 |
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道路及招牌的淪亂及原住民的文藝、語文的傳承和推動,原住民及委員會有應用的基金會在補助嗎?老委員報告,三家案,第一點是出書館案和當當在警方的文化發展基金的專案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
原住民族文化事業基金會董事長 原住民族文化事業基金會董事長 原住民族文化事業基金會董事長 |
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8109.486 |
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8115.031 |
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拜託啦,因為客家人,因為客家人為我們付出,因為客家人正在動作的規範,在規範的候候所以本席在這裡希望就是說我們客家莊的不管市場還有客家莊的一些老街,包含我們客家莊的圖書館 |
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還有一些藝文、語文傳承活動的推動,我們都希望客委會可以全力的來協助,好不好? |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
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老委員報告,特效委員特別提到跟文藝福興的計劃,是老村新、黑膠文化、老藝園的相關競選委員會的那種預算,那是新部局的計劃,是在修長之中,那是因爲 |
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我們希望可以全力的看到我們這個課委會能夠來協助好不好,好,謝謝,謝謝本席接下來想請我們原民會的中副主委有請中副主委副主委,本席想請教你,那個我們原住民的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8216.329 |
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守獵權是不是應該好好的保障這個是原住民的文化很重要的文化本席想請教你去年1月就已經預告的原住民獵槍管理辦法草案為什麼到今年5月都還不能完成法規的程序法規的主管機關是內政部但我們一直都有配合參與開會提供主人的相關建議 |
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8217.776 |
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8225.562 |
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那所以您覺得這個管理辦法有沒有辦法保障我們原住民族的文化權跟狩獵權你覺得有沒有辦法這一個管理辦法草案到現在沒有這個確立這個之前也有經過大法官解釋803號的解釋他是在110年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8266.808 |
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一百一十年就公佈希望在兩年內能夠來修正但是兩年的話就是到去年的五月七號可是竟然已經到現在到今年五月七號已經一年了但你們對這個完全現在空窗期 |
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8295.045 |
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現在跟內政部警政組大概都有一些共識比如說族人對於原有的自製獵槍的部分那本席剛剛問的就是說那這個辦法草案您覺得能保障我們原住民的文化權跟狩獵權嗎?你覺得可以嗎?這個部分因為對於槍支的部分跟以前來比較算是有改善有改善?因為進口槍支對於槍的安全性的使用有做考量你一定要好好回答喔是 |
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這個原住民委員會不管主委副主委你們開會的時候代表原住民啊你去跟內政部開會的時候所以你覺得這個管理辦法草案能夠保障原住民族的文化權、狩獵權啊當然這還有討論的空間因為族人也需要那你有反應嗎有有我們都有反應你現在新的辦法要向國外購買這個零件、子彈然後送回來那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8334.227 |
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當初原本是怕我們自己土製的不安全嘛現在安全了可是沒辦法打獵了現在安全了買不起那我們原住民的這個狩獵權要怎麼維護 |
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8362.65 |
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這個槍支內政部警政署說評估大概跟這支獵槍的價格大概不相上下應該差不多那這樣我們有落差跟我們原住民取得獵槍的成本現行這個辦法規定的是高出2到10倍原住民買不起還有這個故障了還要送到國外維修這個原住民的一個生活要送到國外維修 |
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8383.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這個要想辦法 這個要討論一些配套措施因為不可能槍壞掉還要送到國外所以這個部分都有在跟警政署在討論細節的部分你們討論夠久了 現在空窗期一年了這個可不可以加速啊 可不可以加速 可以加速多快 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8399.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我看我們召委的立場怎麼樣你這已經去年5月7號就應該要出來的到今年5月7號沒有那我們原住民現在怎麼辦他的狩獵權、文化權怎麼保障所以你們是不是可以提供你們出席行政機關會議的法制意見因為我們對這個我們很好奇我們也很關心 |
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8430.068 |
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是,沒有問題,好,謝謝委員的關心,謝謝好,謝謝信任委員,也謝謝這個總副主委,這個部分呢,我們請國防部跟警政署還有園民會,我們其實也一直在深入的討論,希望能夠加速速度,謝謝,接著我們請李博義委員來質詢 |
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8448.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8459.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
謝謝我請原文會董事長、原語會董事長還有勞動部、勞動關係司副司長有請邢老師董事長、馬耀國務董事長還有黃副司長謝謝 |
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8464.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8483.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
謝謝我用4分鐘就好了那感謝昭緯今天排入這一個搬遷原住民族傳播大樓準備事項搬遷之後有一些勞工權益的部分然後還有這個我們未來這個新媒體發展的趨勢的這個專案報告 |
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8485.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8501.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
那當然我們已經在2016年的時候前瞻基礎建設經費裡面有17億要準備來桃園被桃園爭取到桃園青埔的這一個原住民語言傳播大樓跟 |
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8504.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8523.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
文創園區共構的這個基地那目前應該明年原本表定今年要好那現在應該是明年我們所有的員工就要進去裡面進駐了那同時在同一個時間呢在這個月其實上個禮拜陳建仁院長還特別到高雄針對 |
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8526.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8555.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
原住民博物館的這些進度的考察原住民博物館決定在高雄從2017年選址之後經過2019年可行性評估到2021年環評到2022年公布施行計畫那當天包含陳建仁院長以及當時爭取的高雄市長陳菊現在院長也都到場那希望原民博物館趕快來興建其實在這裡面我們看到 |
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8555.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8582.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
台灣原本很多這個原住民的文化其實透過這些傳播那可以有更多的讓國際或者是觀光或者是原住民權益有更多的這些保障跟發揮我們也很期待那所以我們支持這個政策之外呢其實我在我們現在在內政委員會其實我也看到桃園市政府跟高雄市政府在這一方面做的努力 |
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8583.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8612.97 |
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桃園市政府把發展中的青浦站當初在二零在決定要把這個當初決定要把這個大樓放在青浦的時候2018年2018年到現在六年六年期間青浦的發展是非常的可怕那讓這個我們的原住民語言傳播大樓可以落腳在青浦 |
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8613.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8640.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
當然就現在目前可能在大台北地區工作的人來講可能會感受到不方便這個我們也支持召委所安排的這個議程支持勞動權益方面我們要給予適度的這些輔導之外呢那我們也看到這個桃園市政府的厲害跟遠見啊為什麼桃園市的人口現在在六都裡面是最年輕化他除了 |
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8641.553 |
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在北北工作的人他必須可能會外溢通勤到桃園居住之外還有這一招還要把我們這個原民傳播大樓爭取到那裡去那我也相信這個除了有很多員工他必須有調適的問題之外那最重要的就是桃園會爭取到這一些 |
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8691.863 |
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可能有能力遷徙的員工可以到桃園去居住當然我講這些桃園之後我就是要講未來的高雄的原民博物館我們也期待我們也希望相關的這些從業的人員未來也可以樂居在高雄來請問兩位董事長你們準備好要通勤到桃園還是要在桃園居住呢來 |
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8712.379 |
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謝謝委員那跟委員講我本身因為是另一半是桃園人所以我會在桃園定居那恭喜你啊可以回桃園定居這是我的第一個啦因為我就在桃園復興那我們大部分的同仁會建立就地那讓整個計劃整個的脈絡上會比較好這是我們的大方向好馬拉姆 |
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8713.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8738.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
董事長因為我住蘭嶼買不起臺灣的房子所以我是租的我從臺北再去租更應該更要為我們原住民所有的我們的我們的從業我們在這裡工作的人去思考怎麼樣可以讓他們在桃園定居或者是怎麼樣可以在這個公共領域上工作的時候來來有解決他們住的問題是的這個很重要謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 |
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8742.028 |
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8744.771 |
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好,謝謝博弈委員的質詢。謝謝兩位董事長。謝謝。繼續我們請黃婕委員質詢。好,謝謝主席。我們請原民會副主委。也請中副主委。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8764.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8787.769 |
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好 副主委好 剛剛大家都在關心說我們因為明年下半年原住民族語言傳播大樓就要啟用了那啟用之後其實原住民族的文化事業的基金會然後語言發展的基金會所有的工作同仁都要去到青埔那現在看起來是現在原文會、原語會兩個基金會工作同仁加起來大概有289位職員 對嗎是 他們差不多 原文會270 原語會37人 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8793.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8817.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
對,所以加起來大概也是將近300位的同仁要到草原的青浦的新辦公室那因為大家也有傳出說蠻多員工在擔心說搬遷後他們的居住或是交通或是子女教育的問題該怎麼辦那因為我有看到說2019年的時候其實原文會自己有做過內部的調查只有15%的員工願意搬遷是嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8821.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8844.612 |
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剛剛的說明好像是15%不願意不過那是最初的調查那現在的狀況是如何呢現在應該我們9次的會議要一起過去是高比例啦高比例是多少我們預估大概八成的員工都是願意跟我一起奮鬥 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8845.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8869.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
那當然啦我也是希望說你們在這樣子搬遷的過程還是要保障所有員工的權益一定是要符合勞基法的並且協助他們在生活的起居上面有所有相關的都已經做好準備了所以我想要再次的督促說只要是在這個搬遷過程有員工有任何的需要你們一定都要盡全力來協助好嗎是 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8872.259 |
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8901.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
這其實就是這一次的這個搬遷的爭議大家最關心的那因為其實之前也有看到說桃園有承諾說這兩個基金會員工的搬遷會用社會住宅來做專案的處理不知道你們有跟桃園市有做任何的接洽嗎?有,我們跟桃園市政府總共開了三次的會議那就有關的安排後續正在進行市議院也在協助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8902.199 |
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8922.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
所以現在他們說這個社會住宅是有在做的嗎是是是那所以在明年下半年之前這個社會住宅是絕對可以可行的是是讓所有的員工都可以入住是好那這個就是我希望要你們要做出保證的好那再來我們請原民會副主委是委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8923.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8940.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我想要請教這個反歧視法的部分因為其實行政院的人權處在5月2號的時候已經公告一個反歧視法的草案了那我也非常的支持因為我覺得這個反歧視法現在是散落在所有的法律裡面但是很需要有一部統合的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8941.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8962.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
那因為其實這個原住民族的歧視案例之前也有看到很多尤其是去年有幾個在學校裡面發生的我看到其實蠻於心不忍的覺得說從學校的教育就應該要從學校開始做起包括之前有一個中益中的園遊會他們的文宣發生過歧視的案例然後包括我的母校其實在台大的學生自治選舉裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8962.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8963.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
二、邀請二、邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8985.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9002.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
然後那時候那個宜將主委有說要跟教育部開會然後盤點過去的歧視的案件然後針對落實這些多元的文化的教育要進行相關的討論那不知道說去年開會之後我們到現在做的相關的整理是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9003.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9027.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
有,跟委員報告,這個部分我們除了跟教育部在教政會就這個部分拿出來討論,希望通令各學校針對其實這個議題進行處理之外,我們也出版一些有關原住民的相關書籍或介紹,能夠發送到各學校,也能夠變成是他們的教育教材,然後做參考,希望能夠多認識原住民這個文化的部分。 |
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9028.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9051.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為我是希望說去年那個事件之後你們跟教育部有一些糾正跟補作的措施那我也是很支持說現在人權處的這個反歧視法現在已經有一個草案了那我不知道說原民會有沒有進行相關的討論把你們的需求放進去呢每次開會都有邀我們我們也把我們的需求都納在他們的相關法案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9052.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9069.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
因為其實監察院之前有做過一個消明原住民社會歧視的法律策略的研究案那裡面其實都有提到說像是加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等國的反歧視的規定都有明確的規定某一些言論的種族歧視的言論必須要禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9070.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9096.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那我知道說我們原民會也都有在加入這些討論所以我不知道說你們有沒有把你們的意見明確的放進去有的話我也希望說到時候這個反歧視法的草案裡面是有明確的把我們原民會所有相關的不管是要如何禁止或是任何行為言論你們都有明確的納入你們的意見的是有這個部分我們都會站在原住民族的立場將我們的相關意見提供給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9096.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9120.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
好 謝謝不好意思 謝謝主席因為我今天聲音不舒服所以有幫我主持一下我聲音沒有辦法大聲我們請在場的委員小聲一點好不好我們尊重一下質詢委員謝謝不好意思因為我聲音沒有辦法很大聲那這部分我就希望我們可以趕快看到反歧視法的立法然後原住民族的意見我們原民會的意見一定一定要納入好嗎是 好 謝謝是 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝環節委員的質詢也謝謝中副主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9127.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9130.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我們現在來處理一下臨時提案總共5案請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9133.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9160.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
臨時提案一,內政部警政署為因應司法院釋字第803號解釋於112年1月預告原住民與民自製獵槍與槍許可及管理辦法草案但因內容不符實際操作可行性,原住民族群相關業界均存疑慮在此同時,行政機關因循反覆毫無修正進度對原住民族的狩獵群、文化群構成嚴重實質侵害請原住民族委員會積極向行政院內政部、國防部具體表達原住民族意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9161.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9180.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
並請內政部證實本案對於原住民族文化的意義與價值﹐親自督導並廣納原住民族民眾意見﹐請速完成修正辦法內容與進度﹐勿使故不自封、因循廢事﹐於下會期看一前向本院內政委員會提出規劃方案與進度書面報告﹐是否有當進請公決﹐提案人委員徐新穎等三人。 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9182.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9198.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
臨時提案 二,原住民族委員會於107年起沿提原文會及原語會工作地點遷移新建永久會址計劃,即行政院於109年核定此計劃涉及員工工作地點將從臺北市重陽路及羅斯福路調動至桃園市大園區領航北路四段,僱主原文會及原語會 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9199.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9228.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
遵守《勞動基準法》第十之一條第四款及第五款規定調動工作地點過員、雇主應予以必要之協助考量勞工及其家庭之生活利益查原住民族委員會提報前述新建永久匯值計劃時為考量前述勞動基準法規定為保障原委會及原委會員工權益原住民族委員會應緊速規劃提供員工交通補助、槍具補助、托育補助及可租可售之合宜住宅等必符合勞動基準法前述規定提案由委員高金素梅等五人 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9229.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9244.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
臨時提案 三,查行政院109年1月12日和定之財團法人、原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人、原住民族語言研究發展基金會永久會址興建計劃經費計17億、新議107年起顏美之財團法人、原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9245.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9261.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
原住民族語言研究發展基金會中長程計劃自107年期間一令年以上根據營建工程成本受到國際原物料價格上漲缺工缺料以及市場供需影響價格大幅上漲造成整個營建成本增加另外有關專業設備部分107年年底計劃時有無檢視設備已超過年限或與現今媒體直播設備規格不符需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9267.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9280.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
委員會因響為盤點及檢視期需增加之專業設備經費前107年年尾計劃時,財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會尚未成立,108年底成立。委員會因響為盤點及檢視應增列之設備實際需求,並前述17億之計劃經費尚未包含,因勞動基準法規定必須避免有關員工勞動權益相關費用。 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9288.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9309.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
眾上所述,原計劃編列17頁預算明顯不足以支應整體經費需求原住民族委員會、因應原委員會及原委員會實際需求謹速修正財團法人、原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會永久彙止新建計劃寬列前述所列經費提案人為高金素梅等五人臨時提案四 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9310.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9328.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
經查同署新制公共媒體台、台語台、客家台及原民台113年度預算分別為8億元、6億元及4.62億元三者間預算經費不僅明顯有重大落差且原民台預算之意項目上包括藝術文化業務及補助業務至原民台節目直播年度均相關費用少於4億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9329.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9343.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
此外,行政院專案計劃補助財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會經營廣播電台之年度經費每年約1.3億元,含轉播站台及資安系統建置也與同屬性公共廣播之客家公用傳播基金會113年度預算2.4億元,差距1.1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9346.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9372.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
因此,數據顯示,客價與原住民族之廣播電視媒體年度預算差距高達3億元以上,因為符合媒體發展趨勢需求,因應編列預算推動建制及經營數位媒體。基於上述,原住民族委員會因函報行政院寬密財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會相關預算,其足額人力資源且不得低於同屬性公共媒體年度預算經費規模,並落實《信法》及《原住民族基本法》保障原住民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9372.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9391.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
文化之傳承推廣及傳播服務提案人委員高金、宿美等五人明示提案五查113年軍公教員工待遇調整經行徵容核定自113年1月1日起條新4%適用對象為包括軍職人員、公教人員、技工、工友及約聘僱人員及教研人員、學術研究家級、專業家級 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9392.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9400.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
調整15%。 其次勞工基本工資審議委員會依消費者物價指數CPI103年至112年年增幅高達111%並橫著勞動情勢與經濟發展情況進行基本工資調整審議自105年迄今已連續8年調漲基本工資 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9410.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9427.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
月薪總調漲37.3%、時薪總調漲52.2%。 另參照各公共媒體薪資比較來看,原民台員工平均薪資分別少於公視2萬元及少於客家台1萬元,其中原住民族廣播電台與中央廣播電台平均薪資落差逾2.5萬元, |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9428.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9453.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
原請原住民族委員會含報行政院應按同工同酬原則參照各公共媒體薪資水準於明114年度起增列額度外人事預算支應調整財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會員工薪資有關財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會員工薪資亦請原住民族委員會檢視比照相關機構辦理提案人委員高金淑美等五人宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9457.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9485.129 |
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好 現在看一下我們的臨時提案徐新英委員提的部分現在有一些文字的修正現在正在引印我們來看第二案確定還沒有印過來我們待會再宣讀一下因為為了節省時間第二案的部分請問一下原民會有沒有意見好 請問一下你們的文字修正在哪裡文字修正有提了嗎我現在目前要處理還沒看到 |
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文字修正有提過嗎? |
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請問一下文字修正在哪裡?給我們議事人員了嗎? |
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第二案也在印,好,那第三案的部分? |
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也是給議事人員了,好一、二、三、五都好了一、二、三、五的文字修正都OK了,現在就是第四案的部分 |
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好 第四案我們再溝通一下我們休息一下兩分鐘來溝通一下第四案第四案的部分就是希望這個原民台還有這個的預算跟這個公共媒體台語台、客家台然後他們的部分來做一些預算上的比較跟調整好 請問一下這個部分是哪一個部會有意見 |
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現在臨時提案第4案我們照案通過那現在一二三 |
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五案有一些文字上的修正正在引用過來我們等一下好 休息一下第五案也照案通過第四案、第五案都照案通過第四案、第五案都照案通過第五案是包括我們的薪資部分希望能夠按照這個軍公教人員、技工工友還有約聘僱人員、教育人員的加給調整15% |
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所以我們也希望我們原住民、原民會的員工同工同酬的部分好不好那這個第四、第五案我們照提案通過一、二、三案我們有一些文字修正現在正在引印那是不是先把那個原稿拿來我們在這個這個視頻上面給大家看一下文字修訂的部分謝謝 |
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因為我們現場有非常多的委員在所以呢我們還是趕快引印但是呢這個下次我們希望就是說原稿先給我們唸一下如果大家委員有意見的話我們好修正好我們休息兩分鐘等一下我們引印的數據謝謝 |
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現在我們請各位委員聽一下你們手上可能正在陸續但是在陸續引言的同時我先問一下臨時提案第一案1234第四行的一些行政機關因循反覆毫無修正這個部分的文字把它拿掉所以是行政機關 |
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對於原住民族的狩獵權、文化權構成嚴重實質侵害那幾個字也拿掉 |
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然後請原住民族委員會主任委員保障不足、文化權保障不足所以在此同時行政機關進度緩慢對於原住民族的狩獵權、文化權保障不足請原住民族 |
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委員會積極向行政院、內政部、國防部具體表達原住民族的意見這是相關文字的修正接下來往後面看的第二行 |
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故使故部自封因群廢事於下會期開議前向本院內政委員會提出規劃方案跟進度書面報告所以這些文字修正的部分請問一下提案的學習委員沒有意見吧 |
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同意?好,沒有意見那行政部門也沒意見我們就按照文字的修正的部分來通過接著再來第二案是增加這個是嗎?對,倒數第三行來我們看一下第二案臨時提案倒數第三行為保障原文會還有原語會的員工權益原住民族委員會應該要協助基金會是吧? |
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協助兩基金會競速規劃提供員工交通的補助、遷居的補助、托育補助以及可租可售之合宜住宅等。這個部分的文字修正請問一下鄭天才委員的提案跟高金素美委員提案等有沒有一些意見修正可以嗎? |
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文字就接受這個修正了但是很重要的就是請原民會還有兩個基金會要掌握編列預算的時間因為明年就要搬遷你今年就要編明年的預算了所以現在就要好好的就要跟行政院還有主計總書溝通以上 |
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好 謝謝鄭天才提案委員鄭天才委員的補充請兩會還有人民會麻煩一下一定要在審預算之前把這些交給我們委員會讓我們清楚知道來臨時提案的第三案就是1234 |
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倒數第四行 中上所述原計劃編列17億的預算那個明顯把它改成若有不足以支應整體經費的需求原住民族委員會應該要依照原文會和原語會實際的需求競速那個競加一個人字旁競速修正 |
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財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會暨財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會永久彙止興建計畫匡列所述的所需經費請問一下提案委員的曾天才委員,這樣子的文字修正OK嗎? |
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勉強接受了因為實際上是不足了還是一樣就是請嚴明會趕快啟動好謝謝我們今天的臨時提案無案已經整個這個修正文字的部分還有專案通過了我們中午不休息我們繼續開會我們現在再請黃仁委員來做質詢謝謝大家 |
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有請中副主委有請中副主委 謝謝黃委員好我必須要講剛剛我們聽到喜新穎所提的有關於原住民的槍暴條例這是一個全國國人最重視的一個議題 |
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你們既然都已經引諾兩年內檢討而且實施在去年的5月17號結果你們消極不作為你們是該誰負責你們這個是行政疏失你們已經引諾了這個疏失該誰負責該誰負責 |
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因為在預告之後有很多不同的看法不是嘛今天主張是你們原民會要替全國的族人爭取這樣的一個權利結果你們自己本身為為所說我們現在是什麼原民會是以藩治藩的現在在外面的感覺說你們根本沒有主張力嘛委員報告因為這個反而是警政署的 |
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內政部所以我們也很積極配合希望能夠進展你們既然都已經講這邊我先讀一下喜新宜所講的這個有關機關質疑自本解釋公佈日期兩年內 |
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一本解釋一時進促檢討修正就在上開範圍不足這部分定定符合憲法保障原住民的安全從事合法手裏活動之自治列強之定定 |
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所以這個就是你們自己本身所提出來的你們現在沒有作為沒有作為都是聽其他的部會原民會應該有主張的立場為全國的族人守護權益守護他們的立場你們結果唯唯縮縮 |
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內政部有一線你們馬上就萎縮了國防部有一線你們馬上就萎縮了這樣的一個原民會是幹什麼浪費公帑啊我們都有主動去找內政部、警政署跟國防部我們都比較用積極的態度是不是你們原民會的這個首長、主管裡面全部換掉才會有積極的作為你們現在留在這個位置裡面對不起國人啊浪費公帑啊 |
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我會責成國防部因為我現在是外交國防我責成國防部謠言內政部報你們人民會儘速檢討這個有關於列強的部分是是到時候我會請我的辦公室行文給國防部還有你們人民會來一起來討論在我的研究室好不好好是謝謝委員謝謝好我們以文董事長請你們要鼓勵董事長 |
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有關於文化如果母語斷文化就亡 |
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今天很高興的很多我們不管是不分政黨對我們原住民語言的發展包含原住民的發展包含這各項面的一個開發條例都非常積極的關心我們原住民有很多地方嚴密會沒有積極的作為本席亦以來作為檢討 |
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但是母語這是一個有關於我們國人對於母語的重視對我們整個全國的發展跟我們目前少子化的因素我們應該要生根而且要努力對各部落的發展包含整個縣市的語文的發展這是非常重要的 主委董事長 |
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總預算目前來講總共多少跟委員報告現在我們的總預算是在兩億九 |
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兩議夠嗎當然就現行來說我們當然要更加委員的建議是絕對是不夠的好提出你們的報告出來給本席一份你們未來希望能夠推展母語更能夠有效而且生根的話提出一個報告給我好不好我希望能夠責成其他的立委包含我們內政的 |
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我們的委員能夠來盡速來做一個檢討包含提升我們母語的預算能夠普遍這是已經普遍性既然我們今天我們所有的語言文化包含我們的這些傳播都能夠設置在桃園本席非常支持 |
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但是我也希望能夠從開始要在那個地方運送的話我應該我要隨時監督你們原民會各項的項目有沒有執行徹底那這個部分你趕快做一個預算好不好好 謝謝委員你有什麼想法 |
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就委員說我們那個預算基本上要我同意用深耕這個部分要推到部落入馬到家裡這個是我們在內部討論中也是一個很重要的一個大決策 |
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不管分族群都是異口同聲的好 謝謝我有接受到這樣的這個訊息那希望我們從這個部分我們共同一起努力因為原住民的進步跟推展是不容許緩慢但是我希望原民會未來520之後我一再提示我們 |
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主委所提的不要以翻自翻我們現在要進步我們要強力的主張我們原住民的發展我們要訪觀國外去看一看他們有自己的一個主張力能夠推展的更好不要浪費公帑以上好 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃榮委員的質詢也謝謝董事長 謝謝繼續我們請吳麗華委員來質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請鍾副主委還有兩會董事長副主委您好我們看到這個藍圖就是未來的永久會址大家都非常的期待 |
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根據我看到的資料應該是明年的3月就會完工明年年底大家就會進駐我知道的是這幾年大家都談原物料上漲那也看到你們也有在做變更設計請問變更設計幾次兩次那經費 |
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有需要增加嗎有需要增加嗎所以你們有增編所以可以如期如值的完成目前的進度應該是明年的年底竣工包括所謂的室內裝潢等大概要一年時間那進駐呢進駐大概會如果初步 |
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可希望應該是115年的元月份開始好那為什麼我們這麼關心齁其實我就是想說要聲量相襯啊民時要相符因為當時鄭文燦市長提供這麼好的一個預定地 |
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我們也編列這麼多的經費要成為永久的彙值所以我們都希望說很重要的一件事就是要留住人才累積實力這是任何一個企業最重視的所以我在這邊就是想要問一下 |
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因為我們從之前大家都在憂慮的就是搬過去那麼我們的勞權有沒有受到保障你們也討論了很久那實際上今天我從報告裡面我有看到你們說會有交通補助、遷居補助、托育補助等等等相關權益一年的費用大約2000萬元可是我們沒有看到實質你們規劃的方案 |
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像我就很想知道會補助幾年一年兩千萬要補助幾年那新進的員工未來要不要補助我這個部分其實我都看不到所以我還是希望說可不可以提一個比較詳盡的規劃報告給我們大家好不好因為我相信大家也想聽員工一定也很緊張那再請一下勞動部黃副司長有請黃副司長 |
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很謝謝今天有邀請勞動部來因為我們就是想要請勞動部來幫我們看一下我們知道在勞基法的第10條之一其實有明確的就是對於搬遷這樣的事情會有所保障那我剛才也提了確實原民會他們也有規劃但是大家可能更關心的是我想要多問一點我舉個例子搬遷到那邊 |
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有沒有可能設置幼兒園啊副主委非營利幼兒園因為我看到你們說預計光是原文會預計未來的員工要392位再加元宇會有沒有可能設一個非營利幼兒園 |
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我們那附近有一個幼兒園我們現在目前希望那邊變成是族語幼兒園所以有規劃有規劃那很好那有規劃很好那我再請教一下大家也會很擔心的就是像 |
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我看到立法院的這一些原民台的記者他如果未來要跑回桃園我覺得那個可能會超過所謂的八小時的勞基法的標準他還要自播還要回來回去對吧我看到副市長一直點頭那有可能在台北留個中心嗎 |
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對 報告委員 我們會在臺北有一個中心提供我們的直播人員在那個地方做產製所以會編所以我們也很關心編組的人力還有地點為什麼我這樣講其實我在這幾次我以前其實我也覺得編那麼多中心幹什麼 |
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可是我們真的幅員遼闊而且上山下海像這一次來講花蓮的地震我就有看到東部的中心連結就很快去年卡姆颱風中部的中心就連結得很快台北也支援下去對所以我在想這個部分也許是員工關心的其實也是我們關心的因為我們要有競爭力所以這個部分我是希望說勞動部 |
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就跟我們的原民會我希望在這個小組裡面你們要參與這種勞權的部分其實對於我們留住人才是很重要那也希望那個中副主委我們原民會要協助來編列經費然後不要成空好不好是沒有問題明天好像就會開會 |
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那就好再來就是我關心一樣就是留住人才的問題大家都說我們原民台這一些費用、制播的費用其實跟其他台比差很多從以前就被詬病那現在我要講的是說我們的薪資水準我們來看一個這是我看到的的確這幾年我們一直調薪一直調薪 |
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我們在第一級值等跟第二級值等喔我們來看一下那個表格確實我們有比其他台好一點可是你看喔從第三值等一直到第十二值等越值等越高差薪資差越多 |
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那我就想說他就不利於我們的生涯發展啊我大概 如果是我啦我到第二職種的時候我就要走了啊因為我在這邊升官幹什麼 薪資那麼差所以他會造成流動率很高我這幾年 光是這四年在立法院我就覺得流動率很高 |
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所以我覺得這個薪資結構的部分也要去調整因為他是用你們的考核去做點數去做所謂的值等所以這個部分那個副主委我也希望你列管這個業務未來要注意好不好因為這個部分 |
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他們也正在提中長城計劃希望把這樣一個人力規劃也跳脫原來的4.9這個部分去做處理這個要做處理因為我就覺得流動率太高不利於生涯階梯的規劃那最後就是要鼓勵啦也是請託啦也是我們的期許啦我一直在講其實我們的小節目啊那種幾分鐘的真的很多人都誇讚做得很好 |
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但是你們就是重播率太高節目很少就沒有人想要看原民台只有要看新聞而已因為新聞會天天不一樣 |
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這個很慘耶所以我想這個部分大家都已經通過了齁 趙偉剛才林題都有通過了希望未來我們可以在原民台看得到好節目包括新媒體的部分我也是一直滑滑滑手機啊很難看到我們的新媒體所以希望未來我們錢撥多了以後真的我們希望能夠成為一個最好的台灣的原民台讓世界看到我們的台灣看到我們的原住民 |
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希望我們一起來努力。好,謝謝主席。好,非常謝謝吳麗華委員的質詢。謝謝。謝謝鍾馨華副主委兩位董事長以及副市長。謝謝。我們希望勞工權益的部分剛剛提到了,你居然提了2100萬,但是我們不知道你們放在哪裡? |
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主席、各位委員有請中副主委有請中副主委 |
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主委好 中呼主委好 是這個財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會監督管理要點是 因為要根據財團法人法要提升為另外一個辦法但是很重要的重點他不是一般的財團法人他裡面有更重要的就是電視台電視台所以這個 |
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教文處 處長 中副主委 是你們在要很 怎麼這個奮劑啊 廣播電視法 這個奮劑要去考量 而不是鎖這個插入進去 監督要一個限制好 我們看這個 我在109年 109年就質詢蘇貞昌院長 當時引用了110年度 |
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顏文慧跟公共電視的薪資以及顏額以及總預算你看這個預算顏額都差距那麼大公共電視今年又增加了明年又增加了所以這個部分的差距更大 |
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這是109年的一個薪資研訓會跟公司的薪資的一個對照差距真的是非常非常大最低的平均薪資跟最高的平均薪資都差距非常大109年的資料執行的資料執行書增長的院長包括這個委任主管的差距當時本席在109年10月6號這是立法院的議事錄 |
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109年10月6號質詢行政院蘇貞昌院長我把這個剛才講的那幾個部分做非常大的落差我說請院長及主席長能夠支持這個預算要增加蘇貞昌院長說好109年10月好到現在都沒有增加 |
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而且差距越來越大回去的時候 政府主委這個行政院院長的承諾為什麼沒有落實 |
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你們到底簽辦了如何提供書面報告,可以嗎?是,可以。不過跟委員報告,我們去年在審查原文會在113年度的工作計畫第二次審查的時候,我們的審查委員都有建議他們就有關這個部分,希望能夠跳脫4.6億的框架,然後重新思考,都有做這樣的一個建議。這個諸副主委。 |
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我是延民會的老公務員主動爭取我過去就是協調主計長啊去協調都還要弄什麼中長城計畫不需要嘛對不對從延民台的開創成立我們就沒有中長城計畫了就編列預算就對了嘛你看現在的差距更大了 |
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現在的差距、薪資的差距更大所以平均值是4萬8然後我們的整個公共電視6萬7 |
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差距那麼大最高平均值也是一樣差距那麼大不要一直講中長城計劃心智的處理哪有什麼中長城計劃呢對不對好不好這個部分就請這個言明會都是你們要去處理的而不是這個你們要去協助你們的這個一個財團法人尤其是原住民族的電視台好我們談這個永久會址 |
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永久的會址一開始也就是沒有規劃到從臺北市南港區重陽路要到桃園大園區從羅斯福路要過去這個才是中長城計劃要納入的你沒有納入啊很多都沒有納入啊這個才是中長城計劃要納入的像勞動基準法 |
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第十條之一僱主調動勞動工作當初規劃的時候就知道要調動了就應該考慮到勞動基準法第十條之一第四款調動工作地點過眼僱主因予必要之協助考量勞工及其家庭之生活利益這個才是中長程計劃要納入的 |
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結果沒有納入對不對包括很多的相關最主要的像我們很多的工程包括園民會的工程就是因為這幾年連物料的調帳各方面去調整修正提高的都有啊這個就是要中長城計劃去滾動檢討結果都沒有做所以這個部分是所以相關的交通的補助 |
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遷積的補助、拖曳的補助、合宜住宅或是社會住宅請問一下,社會住宅,剛剛一直提到社會住宅,有方向了嗎?有,那個原文會有跟桃園市政府有談過兩次到三次,關於社會住宅的部分。 結果呢?可以請史謀老師談結果的部分。 結果呢?先董事長、史謀老師,謝謝。我們還在持續在爭取。 不是那麼容易啊。 |
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為什麼在地的原住民都不夠住啊所以不是那麼容易所以如果沒有放在中長城計劃有啊 有學童啊 有溝通啊但是還是沒有辦法保障對不對住宅法 延平會 副總副主委這不是你的業務啊回去去跟這個另外一個住宅法本席所提出的104年通過的 |
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住宅法就規定原民會要興建專攻原住民居住的社會住宅如果當初就這樣去蓋的話這個解決了所以這個部分就是沒有做法律已經給你們了結果你們都沒有做所以像今天的報告就這樣這個都是所以這樣的一個情形 |
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我們看看這樣的一個言文會他們都做了一眼調查只有59.4%願意遷過去14.6%不願意前往26%尚未表達意見他猶豫為了工作又為了不得不工作他在猶豫這很高啊這比例很高啊 |
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11323.222 |
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兩個加起來我們應該要兩個加起來百分之四十幾是這樣的一個情形這個就必須我們怎麼樣去解決這些問題這個就是你們當初在107年開始研擬規劃一直到行政院109年核定都沒有納入中長城這個才是中長城計劃要去納入的一般的薪資不是中長城計劃 |
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好不好,這個部分是要請原民會這個要加油因為畢竟這個主管機關不是只有監督啊更重要就是怎麼樣去爭取相關員工的權益因為很重要的流動力本來很高啊現在的流動力就很高了到了那邊之後流動力就更高啊 |
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所以為什麼過去一直不是很願意積極的去針對搬遷我從來搬遷落成的我也不去啊為什麼員工的權益沒有被保障嘛沒有在那裡面嘛好不好總副主委是加油是誰責任誰責任好非常謝謝鄭天才委員的提醒也希望原民會原文會原語會 |
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針對員工的權益真的要顧及到然後還有就是我們的文化基金會的費用4.6億人士就佔掉了33%到底還有多少的預算還可以做包括我們園女會 |
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預算2.9億人事費就花掉13.5%到底還有多少的預算來做相關的文化語言教育的推動這個你們必須要來長期思考跟原民會趕快來討論的部分那所以在今天的報告裡面我們也很遺憾都沒有看到這個部分你們只是把數據提出來但是未來想要怎麼解決這些問題也沒有告訴我們謝謝繼續我們請陳培鈺委員來質詢謝謝 |
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好,謝謝主席,那有請原民會副主委還有客委會副主委客委會的周副主委,謝謝謝謝主席兩位好我想我還是要跟兩位副主委一併討論關於這個食材認定的問題那我想要先說一下在去年的11月27號我就在委員會質詢也請教過不管是原民會或是客委會所有的傳統食材一旦他要入菜 |
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他必須回到日常生活經驗而且確實我想兩位副主委一定都非常清楚不管是客家傳統食材、原民傳統食材其實在我們日常生活中都很常見而且也很常吃甚至他也是跨族群到另外族群文化當中也都看得見 |
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可是呢之前就有非常多相關開法的案例我想兩位副主委都清楚我在去年的時候有質詢甚至在12月12號去年也跟吳麗華委員還有湯惠貞委員都開了記者會那我們一直在追相關進度那想要請問一下目前目前兩兩位就我們上次質詢之後到目前為止你們跨部會跟食藥署還或者是農業部相關的討論會議進度到哪裡關於這個食材認定合法安全性的問題 |
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11521.189 |
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跟委員報告這個是屬於我們社會福利處的業務跟衛福部其實就有關食材的部分好像都有一些之間的互動跟委託不過因為不是我屬管轄的所以進度可能我還不是那麼清楚那請問他們今天有來嗎 |
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11540.613 |
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那還是可以,那客委會這邊呢?關於客家傳統食材的部分在食藥署的平台上他如果沒有被認為是可食用沒有科學證據那可是他可能一旦有業者作為所謂地方創生的創意食材開發或者是變成地方小旅行的時候拿出來做販售那他可能就會產生被檢舉然後就開發老委員報告,因為三月金日出相關的項目當然假設採食創商 |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
議員提問 |
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11571 |
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您參考之後,是否合乎您喜歡上述原住民族的所有合格狀的傳統事宜的東西,一定會符合您為尚福利普相關的規定,現在一定是照規定來做的。 |
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好,沒關係,這邊可以,謝謝。好,各位委員選民,現在讓我先給你們介紹一下香港的項目。雙非談合這順子後,我們對地方上有推廣的、合作的設計行,還有所有地方上有香港的事的東西,都一定會找我們衛生福利部香港的規定來做。現在預想到委員報告 |
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可是就是因為按照衛福部食藥署的規定就會產生被開罰的問題所以當時我們在質詢的時候就拜託兩個委員會必須要跟食藥署跟農業部進行跨部會溝通如果它就是日常而且真實在生活中有在用的那它又作為地方創生或是相關小旅行或是相關創意食材開發的時候難道要叫我們這些年輕的回到部落裡面或是回到村子裡面這些創生的團隊是不是就放棄這些食材 |
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所以其實我當然知道你們確實是合法合規的可是就是因為現行的法規其實對於這些新創食材或是地方創生的團隊在做的有創意的事情其實是有違背的那這個部分我想 想回到就孫志豪因為又到為復普那篇又交通開放所以才地方創生有去為人特別關心的那一天而已早因為兩下退黨 |
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香港的法律內政項是幾度發生的問題,其實現在我們沒有任何事項,都是各種地盤、傳統事項,一定要符合香港的法律規定。 |
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好沒關係先謝謝客家副主委那我想請這個原民會副主委這邊說明一下尤其是我們之前提出的像是老葉或者是月桃那目前最近又有一個新的開發的案例所以我們其實看到是現場所有這些新創料理的困境可是我們一直叫你們要跟食藥署 |
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二、邀請二、邀請 |
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主席 |
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電視台、圓明台在三天前還分享了這個節目老葉精華有我不想拿來檢舉它我要講的是這就是我們日常生活中會用的東西甚至在台東慢食節4月30號分享相關的活動你看一下上面有多少菜色是跟老葉有關 |
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所以我要說的是我不是要你們去檢舉它我希望你們不要誤會而是所有這些創意料理的地方年輕人還有多元族群文化這件事情必須要被尊重所以你們必須要積極跟食藥署溝通讓這件事情在合法合規的情況下之前我也說過你們不管是做問卷也好相關的科學研究證據也好都可以協助地方的年輕人好嗎好 謝謝主席 謝謝兩位好 謝謝陳佩玉委員也謝謝中副主委兩位副主委 謝謝 |
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繼續我們請丁薛忠、丁薛忠、丁薛忠委員不在張志倫、張志倫、張志倫委員不在鄭振權、鄭振權、鄭振權委員不在蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在請林倩其委員質詢 |
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我請中副主委我們認識很久了我一向秉持一個原則以前我看各部會在欺負原民會或者是在地方各單位在對於 |
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原住民的博物館在哪裡? |
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在高雄澄清湖那什麼時候要做?什麼時候完成?預計完成是要8年之後確定嗎?那網路上我們看到的是2032那你確定是8年齁?因為我們等了好幾個8年等了好幾個8年那你們有沒有那現在在我們台東市前博物館你們知道它什麼時候開始蓋的嗎? |
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這不清楚那什麼時候開也不知道吧 對不對然後他怎麼樣詮釋這個悲難文化公園怎麼詮釋所謂史前的文化或悲難文化我想這個細節你們可能又更不清楚了我建議部裡面要派人把一直拿掉原住民話語權的任何一個細節 |
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要做一個檢討每天我在跟這個部分我想文化部是主責單位但是很多東西你們要盯著文化部或者是在一個平台上你們要問他們相關的問題要不然我們可能本來是我們的話語權全部被莫名其妙的一些計劃或其他單位的計劃給稀釋掉了所以來我給你一個建議實錢館從它開始蓋是1998年然後開幕是2002年那 |
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原住民族博物館2016年其實定案了但是2017年被你們翻案連民進黨的委員都說這是鬧劇一場當時本席也看到這個新聞也感到很無力因為裡面也有很多我們原住民的夥伴提了一些意見我現在看到2032年要完成那不要再跟本席呼嚨所有的賣肉本席都很清楚所以 |
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這八年,請問你們在原住民族博物館做了什麼?除了 |
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一個很好的場地當然我很高興為我們族人就是今天的這個主席我們族人的辦公室通通要搬遷到原本也是原住民族博物館參與選址的一個地方那我當然為辦公室高興但是我為我們原住民族博物館在這中間一直被消失感到非常的遺憾那請那個會裡面 |
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提一下整體的報告從2016年之前默默的在做這件事到後來的翻案到這8年都沒有執行給本席一個清楚的計畫跟報告第二個來本席問一下請問原住民族的轉型正義在哪裡我簡單問好了請問人權博物館裡面有我們原住民的位置嗎 |
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人權博物館裡面其實也有在轉型正義個人的部分的人權有在納在這個裡面所以我們就是在博物館裡面的一張那別人看待我們都是博物館裡面的一個標本這個請會裡面再做更積極的一個話語的發言那我問一下請問現在還在台北228公園裡面的同胞要往哪裡去 |
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他們的無力感也就是這八年對於口口聲聲要對原住民的轉型正義有所作為的政府感到無力了吧? |
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那我想會裡面是不是這個部分也應該做一個瞭解跟檢討最後還沒有到最後最後前一個請問一下原住民族姓名條例為什麼在上個禮拜還在這個委員會裡面審本能講一下在2012年到2013年本能跟 |
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貴委員會的主委是在新北市不同的位置那當時本人在文化局聽到他質詢我們的民政局長有關於姓名條例這件事情那他應該很清楚這整件事上個禮拜我看所有的立委還包括我們高經委員還一直感到很無力的事內政部還給我們很多的在現場的一些困境那請問主委應該在他質詢的時候很清楚的知道這件事情該怎麼做這八年他又做了什麼 |
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要我們所有原住民的委員在上個禮拜還在針對中央這個原住民族姓名條例原住民的部分這麼費心力我在現場看了非常的心痛看不下去了啊 |
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我講的是照理說本來就是要修你們主委在當新北市議員的時候新北市原住民族博物館他都知道然後他也知道姓名條例應該怎麼處理那這八年我們委員會做了什麼最後蔡英文總統的政見原住民族自治成就了什麼 |
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現在不好意思齁那個我也只能說因為不是對你們有心情這幾年還包括我在立法院所看到的原住民委員的無力我真的感同身受我們難道要繼續這樣子不僅是過去被殖民接下來被我們的行政單位殖民然後懂得有話語權的有能力的人再繼續殖民我們的族人嗎 |
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除了我看到主委這八年學了可以用阿美族語來碾壓所有其他族群的語言在正式的場合以外那我不知道原民會在原住民的公共事務上成就了什麼對不起 最後要問的是因為各位會的副主委也上來了可不可以請你們研究一下畢竟這是內政委員會你們可不可以有一個共識因為剛才陳委員 |
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在聽那個不好意思副主委您這邊直接對他用客語我還在想說那陳委員是客家人是吧你們很清楚他也理解您講的話你們可不可以有個共識在這個地方在你們推動族語可能有很強的資源那其他有很多可能部落的代表在這裡面都沒有的人那我們要怎麼樣聽懂你們在內政委員會裡面所有的東西請達到一個共識我看剛才陳委員他還要 |
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還要去聽你們的翻譯機,達到一個共識好嗎?Maybe你們已經有共識了,這是我今天看到的情況。好,謝謝科委會。還有謝謝委員會。好,謝謝林倩卿委員。好,其實事實上我們每一個主語都有透過翻譯機,這是第一個。第二個姓名條例我們已經在內政委員會已經送出了,然後大家委員們很努力很認真,也應該會在這個會期三讀通過,以上跟那個我報告一下。 |
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登記發言的委員除了不在場者之外其餘的都已經發言完畢我們詢答結束委員張志倫、丁薛忠所提的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
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書面質詢還有未及答覆的部分請相關單位在一周之內以書面答覆並複製本會因為陳寅委員並沒有在我們議程的相關時間內來登記發言而且今天已經是第二次了我提醒一下委員 |
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呃,召委同意您發言,但是希望您以後下次盡量在我們的這個登記質詢的時間內到場好不好,要不然的話這會引起我們內政委員會的議事人員還有內政委員會的召委們的一些議論,但是召委已經第二次准許您在不在的時間裡面來質詢,希望下次能夠盡量在時間內,好嗎?謝謝,繼續我們請陳一委員來質詢三分鐘,謝謝。 |
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好 謝謝召委的大度來 我們請中副主委也請中副主委 謝謝主委好那個我想我們就這個原文會薪資結構的問題繼續來做討論那這一張來我們再看一下這也是原文會跟公司薪資結構的比較那不管是這個最低的平均薪資或最高的平均薪資原文會員工的薪水 |
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大概都比這個公事員工大概少了兩萬元左右那或許有人會說那這兩個雖然都是公營媒體那兩個事業體的形態有很大的差異但是呢就算是形態不同整個薪資結構有這麼大的差異那我想請教說中副主委你覺得這個差異這個問題在哪裡你覺得他們 |
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這樣都沒有問題嗎我覺得應該差異大對他們的生活環境跟品質應該還是有差別所以我們現在也在檢討院會也有提出需求那當然這個部分在111年6月有曾經調新過那時候調4%不過那已經有好幾年前的事那以物價上漲來講還是差距很大 |
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那很高興你有這樣的提認所以我想接下來我會有一些比較具體的一個建議那我們再來看一下就是這是歷年軍工叫薪資調整的幅度那中央社的員工呢他們這個整個薪資結構就是跟著軍工叫薪資調整那軍工叫2005年調整3% |
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那一年原民台剛成立我們就姑且不去算這3%但是2011年、2018年還有2022年以及2024年這四年軍工教新資調整比例共14%中央社也就跟著調整14%而原民台成立將近20年 |
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整個這個薪資水準那才調整過一次所以在2022年調整4%那副主委這樣子的調整速度對員工會的員工會不會太不公平基本上看起來是比較不公平那近20年來的物價波動應該也不止4%吧是不止 |
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好 那原文會呢 從成立以來呢 軍公教調薪14%再扣掉原文會2022年有調整4%差距10%的部分好 我希望就是明年可以補齊是 各位報告 這個部分這一次原文會有提出8%的調薪那這個部分我們會爭取額度外的經費來予以調整 |
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好那預算要怎麼調整就是說你們就可以從原民會直接撥補嗎?基本上因為我們撥給原民會是4.621是整個包在裡面含他的薪資的部分所以要擴充他們的經費我們很希望就是用中長城計劃的部分能夠把那個4.621的框架跳出來然後能夠增加多一點 |
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那我想就是在下個會期預算審查的時候我想我一樣會來提這個決議那就是說本席的要求是希望明年調整10%所以我想我預告了這樣子的一個數字那希望就是說大家可以提早準備好好嗎好 我們看看是不是逐年調整有沒有這個機會 |
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非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢 |