| IVOD_ID |
159032 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159032 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-12T15:03:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-12T15:19:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/068df7098ba6a5ff19e83822208a893842177c27e96a00456e1b84427e832226cb66546e995582555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:03:41 - 15:19:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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陳委員好左院長我們來揭露一下數字密碼這個數字密碼其實對台南受傷非常的重也就是說在12月20號才化法修法之前如果依照我們台南市的總分配預算我們可以拿到850億 |
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這當中包括統籌分配款一般型補助款特別統籌分配款還有計劃型補助款所以原本還沒修法之前我們跟行政院有很多的計劃在進行當中我們預計可以拿到850億可是在三讀12月20日修法之後我們只能拿到691億 |
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也就是說依照統籌分配款就是修法之後拿了485億但是一般型補助款雖然還是維持193億可是我們看到計劃型補助款就是零所以如果依照這整個預算加起來我們就是整整減少了159億 |
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所以這是我們很害怕很擔憂的地方而且院長這對我們才能是極不公平我們是直轄市可是我們所增列的額度卻是六都的敬培莫作然後如果以全國的征服來說 |
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居然我們是倒數第二倒數第一是誰 高雄市所以是對我們的南部過去縱北傾南是不是我們還要重演過去我們好不容易看到我們南部在小英總統然後現在再加上賴清德總統 |
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我相信我們可以看到南部的光景可是現在要懲罰市現在國民黨民眾黨要懲罰市的對付南部地方 |
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這怎麼是我們能夠接受的呢過去那麼長的時間的重北親南好不容易小英總統在我們當時候延續了阿扁總統小英總統之後我們才感受到南部地方有受到重視 |
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可是難道在去年12月20號我們修法之後 財化法修法之後我們要走到天堂嗎我們南部的建設要走到天堂嗎院長我們很擔心而且這對我們台南人太不公平了院長怎麼辦 |
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所以賴總統一直指示我們要全力的推動均衡台灣把台灣要當作一樣的水平來做各種的建設所以南部四縣市我們現在劃定為大南方的新的核心的新矽谷有大南方計畫嗎大南方新矽谷全力要追推動 |
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但是如果看到現在現行的已經修正過的財化法它確實在某些地方來看下去它有一些這樣的偏頗這個偏頗就是因為它計算的權重用人口營業額來權重就會產生這樣的一個失衡的狀況院長你知道我們當時候一直希望財政部可以修法就是說我們很多在我們台南 |
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可是他的總公司營運單位在北部但是他稅要交到哪裡去 |
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結果每次營業額最多就是在台南你像所有百貨公司不是如此嗎對我們台南怎麼會公平還有很多上市公司上市公司他基本上很多他的工廠是在台南可是他的營運中心在台北 |
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這樣對我們比較公平用靈靠用硬咬咬這個保分對我們極不公平耶就會造成城鄉差距越大各地的差距越大強者越強弱的地方沒有辦法趕上這個速度院長 |
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我要拜託你而且我們所看到的是已經有在這個才化法修法之後就已經出現了所謂成鄉的差距 |
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非常嚴重我們過去很多人都說陳霆飛你當時候擔任民進黨幹部的時候你也支持過要修裁劃法院長我從來沒有反對修裁劃法我反對的是一個不公平的裁劃法沒有對於每一個縣市平等對待的裁劃法 |
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今天如果這個台灣法會讓我台南市減少這麼多的幫助這麼多的支持你想我能夠支持嗎我能夠支持嗎而且院長 |
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當時我們支持要修才化法是因為在小英總統還沒上任之前我們聽到很多的縣市都跟我們說他們的薪水要發不出來這個縣市的薪水發不出來那個縣市的薪水發不出來我們就跟小英總統說總統你要改變你要調整在我們的分配當中要做一個調整院長 |
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在小英總統的時候就已經有做了調整對不對因為當時候的才化法我們也說要來修可是才化法畢竟他知識體大你要這麼短的時間能夠讓每一個縣市都能夠在一個基準點很困難所以小英總統趕快解決發不出薪水的問題所以現在哪一個縣市說發不出薪水 |
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兩點跟委員報告所以在2012年地方財政的短數是589億到2023年剩餘的數目高達648億這是第一個第二個我們在2016年對地方財政的挹注2016年是5549億2016年就是小英總統就任之後2016年那一年是5549億我們今年 |
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2025年我們對地方財政的挹注已經達到1兆零150億所以對地方是一直一直在加強的所以嘛 |
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我們就因為有聽到地方的聲音我們才去做了很多的調整所以在我們當時候聽到很多的縣市說我錢發不出來薪水發不出來還要跟中央借錢當時候是很可憐因為院長你也知道我算是資深我在地方當議員是十年 |
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在中央立委已經17年了所以我們都很清楚在整個過程當中哪一個問題哪一個時間點有不一樣的需求我們都聽到了民進黨執政是負責任的所以 |
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當時我們跟小安總統說 總統 發不出薪水的問題一定要改觀所以就像院長剛剛所報告的我們在整個調整之後 整個地方的財源大大的改變你讓它改變之後 而且我們還做了所謂的一般型的計劃補助 |
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這些補助也就是你只要送計畫我們都可以來協助建設根本不用擔心過去都沒有了甚至在我們小英總統她推了前瞻這個前瞻也是給各縣市我們必須說現在各縣市誰比較多執政是國民黨 |
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是國民黨咧我覺得就是我們民進黨太客氣了我們過去給國民黨執政的縣市很多的預算可是我們從來沒有講我們都沒有敲鑼打鼓我們都認為這地方需要的我們就要給他我們從來沒有敲鑼打鼓讓全國人民生活的水平都提高了 |
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我們的責任是這裡嘛而不是跟你搶工嘛但是我們錯了我們真的錯了就像搬搬有冷氣全部都是中央的經費 |
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我們所有各縣市我們每一個學校的冷氣從改善它的電力因為大家知道很多的學校都是老舊的管線它要裝冷氣是不可能所以我們是從老舊管線開始改善然後再多了所謂的冷氣設備這些是一步一步我們在短短兩年就把它解決了 |
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可是院長你知道嗎在藍營的縣市敲鑼打鼓從來沒有再跟他們說謝謝民進黨政府給我們這一筆預算 沒有在選舉的時候都說你看我幫你們做了斑斑有冷氣你現在可以做民調 |
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現在有多少人知道斑斑有冷氣全部都是中央支應的預算委員今天講了以後會有更多人知道這很重要啊可是你看我們每次做的永遠都只是在做而讓地方不知道原來這一筆錢都是中央所以你把它統整一下 |
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在地方上 每一個縣市我們做了多少他現在都說我們沒做啊都說我們沒做 錢不可以拿去賭我們就把它列舉出來每一個縣市 每一個縣市我們就跟他講從過去小英政府替我們縣市所做的哪些是中央所支應的預算一筆一筆把它列出來 |
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一筆一筆做成圖卡讓各縣市知道這樣才公平啊否則我覺得說對我們中央所有的公務人員非常不公耶大家是做到要死結果公務都沒在他們的心 |
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現在一句話 當在政黨對立的時候一句話就跟你說你中央都沒在做啦你民進黨政府不可以活著啦什麼叫不可以活著啊如果不可以活著怎麼可能各縣市的建設會這麼多從交通 從治水這些如果沒有中央支持的話這兩個都是要大筆預算的光靠地方是不可能的 |
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我從地方議員上來的我非常清楚我們過去光要爭取一個抽水戰難上加難啊可是中央有88治水之後 |
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那時候在阿扁總統然後到了小英總統的時候有前瞻我們的水環境水資源我們把整個治水預算做了無限延伸你知道我們做了多少大家可能都還不知道說原來直轄市還有那個沒有自來水的 |
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在那個很偏僻的地方還沒有自來水耶但是我們在前瞻的部分我們讓他解決了讓他不用喝茶喝水所以我覺得我們做很多但是地方知道的很少因為我們沒有宣傳現在不要忘了是國民黨執政縣市比較多的所以一開始是天安公圍 |
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他去偵查他會說感謝民進黨政府感謝小英總統感謝賴清德總統不會啊還是過去他會說感謝蘇貞昌院長現在感謝卓榮泰院長不會我們現在還有 今年還有系統性治水500多億我們也不會分顏色因為水就是無色的水換在哪裡我們就到哪裡去處理 |
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淹水是大家都淹沒有分顏色啊那為什麼一談到預算的時候國民黨就要分顏色呢南部地方說都民進黨要這層的所以你就把那個錢都退掉這是什麼理由我不能接受所以院長 |
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868.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
891.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我們希望這個副議案應該南部的立委不分區域或不分區都應該站出來支持通過這個副議案因為這是我們替人民百姓在顧我們的未來在顧我們的發展在顧我們的建設我們誰都不能置身事外 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
892.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
907.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這個是我們必須要強調的所以院長加油我們南部不能像這個財化法把我們損失的這麼嚴重把我們台南砍得這麼嚴重我們台南人同樣都是在繳稅、納稅好,謝謝陳委員,謝謝卓院長下一位請林思敏委員質詢 |