| IVOD_ID |
159023 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159023 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-12T09:15:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-12T10:07:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:52:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/068df7098ba6a5ff97399105cb94c30242177c27e96a0045d3c01a7dfd44c4691a8b0863b4c8fed05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:15:24 - 10:07:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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主席早是不是請中華民國行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝女士請麻煩請主計長委員好 |
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好謝謝這個主計長雖然您沒有提供這個114年度總預算經過立法院修正以後核定數到現在還沒有送到立法院來但是本席還是希望能夠克盡職守能夠把調整後的這個實際的這個核定數 |
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要送到立法院來讓行政院跟立法院所有這些過去的干戈能夠盡快的化解各個部會啊盡快為人民來做事情好不好我們一定全力配合好 謝謝所以我們再確認一下這個主計長113年度這個總預算立法院的核定數是兩兆8518億元 |
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那一百一十四年度這個行政院送到立法院的預算總計額是三兆一千三百二十五億經過主計長審視以後立法院實際的這個核定數字三減了一千四百三十九億是不是 |
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我們這裡面它有包含三部分你昨天有跟本席確認是吧這個數字是我們沒有包含1439億昨天行政院昨院長也在這裡報告是您試算出來1439億因為以往都有大包小那現在這個部分就是沒有大包小的話就會2076億如果以大包小的話我們就會1439億我只是在說明所以1439億 |
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實際的刪減數所以3兆1325億送到立法院來我們審視以後扣掉這個刪減的這個之後 核定數是2兆9886億元所以啊依照這個主計長 |
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你送給立法院也是昨天卓院長在這裡根據您所試算的結果所以去年是兩兆8518億今年立法院的合定數是兩兆9886億所以今年的預算比去年增加了1368億 |
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這個就是竹記長所審定的立法院給行政院的核定數我們要謝謝你的辛勞跟委員報告這不是我審定的這是我們試算的因為我們審定的必須要以公佈的為主但是這一次立法院並沒有公佈這個總額度所以這個部分我們大家也沒辦法這是我們初步試算的一個結果 |
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沒有關係啦這個組計長初步試算的結果是今年比去年增加1368億報告委員但是鄭家的項目不一樣因為我們刪減的項目有一些的項目是真的自愛難行那有的是全部被刪除所以現在是根本沒有經費可以支用那所以主要是通案刪減的部分那刪減的額度太高那有的被全數刪減 |
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再一次請主計長針對本席的問題回答本席當然會讓你有時間來說有哪個部分是困難的但是請正確明白的回答行政院卓榮泰卓院長送到本院的總預算的附議案是很清楚 |
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送過來立法院的預算數是3兆1325億然後三減的預算立法院三減是1439億所以這個行政院送來的版本是通過的預算是2兆9886億是嗎 |
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好是那請回答本席不用點頭的好不好是是好那所以總樓台院長送過來的版本今年比去年的預算多了1368億是嗎請告訴本席 |
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事實上我們今年比去年是增加2800多億2800增加的項目和刪減項目是不同的請直接回答本席待會本席一定會有時間讓你來做說明但是請你明確的回答本席好不好這是立法院 |
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我們問的問題就請你直接回答本席一定會給你時間讓你來做其他的說明因為本席會問好不好所以本席再請教一下所以114年度行政院所送來的總預算的複議案今年的預算是比去年合定數是多了1368億是嗎 |
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是增加一千三百多億但是問題就是說我們會減掉兩千八千還是等於是減少主席長請你不要搶我的話好不好請你依問題回答所以本席在這裡謝謝你在這裡國會正式證實在國會明確的證實行政院送到立法院的總預算立法院 |
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審議的結果今年比去年多了一千三百六十八億總數是兩兆九千八百八十六億給行政院來執行這已經是確定了好來本席讓你一分鐘來說明一下哪裡有自愛耐心 |
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因為今年我們增加2800多億那主要是增加公共建設還有條貸還有那個科技的一些預算相關的還有包括增加勞健保這些的等等但是三減我們1439的部分當然台電是1000億那其他的439是因為 |
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有一些的它的一般的業務費通通被刪減掉是完全沒辦法執行造成我們行政機關在整個執行都沒有辦法有一些障礙然後連水電位都沒有辦法付像服務中心的部分那就必須要全部刪除所以就必須要關門所以這個部分我們也請立委員能夠考量我們這個難處謝謝謝謝委員那個主計長是 |
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本席有聽到剛剛你所表達的有哪一些困難跟問題本席很高興今天你在這裡跟全國國人來國會來清楚的表達但是本席也非常遺憾從1月21號立法院通過了總預算之後這個主席長我們只看到各部會首長來扮演網紅來攻擊這個在野黨 |
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有沒有在過程當中主席長你有沒有帶隊各部會來到立法院跟各委員會還是說跟在野黨來協商有哪些自愛難行哪一些該怎麼修正有沒有討論過因為協商我們都有跟各黨團有去拜會啦你跟各黨團有拜會請問一下國民黨團總召是誰 |
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請問一下你有沒有跟本席約時間來溝通有沒有有 但是有時候約不上時間本席在這裡很清楚的告訴你你沒有跟本黨團來約時間所以我希望主席長已經過了50天1月21號到現在國民黨沒有接到任何的訊息 |
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本席待會會問問民眾黨你有沒有去跟他們要求要協商主席長在這裡是要說實話的所以本席在這裡要千萬的讓你了解立法院再三抗勝的問題就是國家的亂象謠言治國 側翼台灣 |
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所有的謊言不斷的在攻擊各部會首長閒命攻擊在野黨攻擊總預算說都沒有辦法執行我們給了您歷史上最高的兩兆九千八百八十六億比去年多一千三百六十八億但是鋪天蓋地的攻擊什麼什麼補助款育兒今天沒有老農今天沒有了我們都看到 |
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不管是衛福部不管是農業部預算都比去年多剛剛主席長你也證實你也證實了可能是業務費的關係沒宣費的關係但是啊這個因果循環要了解為什麼在野黨要去刪減沒宣費跟刪減這些不應該的這些業務費因為 |
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台灣不能再謠言治國 謊言台灣所有部會首長不能再當網紅側翼要很務實地告訴全國國人要說實話不能再鋪天蓋地的綠媒 綠團 綠嘴 綠側翼 綠網軍 |
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在蠱惑我們的年輕人 蠱惑這個社會把所有的謠言當過治國的方向所以我們要讓這個社會能夠清楚知道所有國家的施政是什麼我們監督的方向是什麼不能讓這些繼續塗害我們的下一代這就是我們的要求至於業務費被凍結的部分 |
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只要清楚的明確的他的施政內容只要是符合一切的正規所有的凍結不只業務費都可以到立法院來申請解凍所以主計長請您寬心本席還是要特別強調特別強調有至暗難行的部分可以向本院提出但是我很遺憾的本席非常遺憾 |
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國民黨非常遺憾從1月21號總預算通過到現在我們必須在執行台上見面都沒有一個很明確的一個拜訪所以本席在這裡希望主席長你不管有什麼樣的困難多溝通好不好我可以再補充一下困難的一個問題嗎因為本席已經講過了 |
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有困難可以溝通本席的大門永遠敞開國民黨隨時恭候好不好現在我們有因為時間主席我想請教一下這一場可以一直錄影嗎可以一直錄影嗎是不是可以請因為也跟主席報告因為很多地方就是因為我想我們國會應該要進步 |
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因為地方議會都不容許這樣的情況因為已經有公播為了防止有所謂的胡亂剪接時間暫停為了防止有所謂的胡亂剪接 網軍側翼身為一個國會議員卻用這種側翼的形象 側翼的作為這是很羞恥的這個是有公播 所有都是公開錄音錄影 |
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本來就應該以公播的版本為主提具體的就是說希望能夠不要我們本來就是有公播本來就是有公播的那個這樣好不好各位委員各位委員我知道各位委員我想我們依然質詢委員提出他們的需求 |
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跟他們的憂慮希望不要能夠把他們錄影我們現場都有實況錄影錄那就請各位能尊重一下好不好這我們已經現場有實況錄影了也有新聞媒體海內外都可以看得到我想 |
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沒關係這樣好不好我來納入朝野協商來探討好不好請不要造謠今天執行委員正式提出希望其他委員不要錄影這些執行委員尊重異常的軟硬體的設備然後再加上各地的新聞記者也都駐場了 |
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那我想各位委員就尊重一下諮詢的委員大家全力都可以互相好不好既然現場我們其實都已經有公播的畫面了為什麼還要在這邊錄影你有遵循我們的意見嗎 |
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因為我是呼籲既然有質詢的委員提出我是純呼籲希望其他委員來尊重質詢的委員我沒有其他的意思那這個是互相因為等一下包括宗嘉斌委員你也要質詢那我也要尊重那個 |
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我們時間是暫停的,沒問題 |
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本席在這裡向院長報告一下因為今天不是個人的施政總諮詢今天是針對行政院所提出的財化法跟總預算的複議案 |
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今天我們站在這裡是代表政黨而不是個人的質詢今天是政黨所以我們為什麼聯合質詢因為我們希望能夠問到正確真實的答案讓全國國人了解我們在這裡也希望受到尊重因為今天代表政黨的質詢並不是個人的個人的施政總質詢所以我們希望得到一個起碼的一個尊重我想一個執政者 |
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一個執政者要有一個基本的國會要有一個基本的風度你們昨天沒有發聲嗎你們昨天沒有鬧場嗎你們昨天沒有鬧場你們才不尊重人 |
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再一次呼籲我再一次呼籲我知道但是在這樣其他委員的干擾之下,執行委員是沒有辦法行使他的職權的所以我必須要暫停一下好吧,我再一次呼籲其他委員尊重發言委員政黨的權益我們就不要錄影好嗎 |
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那位子有說是民進黨的位子嗎? |
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非質詢的委員非質詢的委員非質詢的委員請肅靜我們繼續尊重質詢的委員好 |
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我們現在請政黨的代表質詢委員繼續質詢好 再一次呼籲請尊重發言委員請時間繼續好 謝謝主席那個謝謝啊那個主計長見笑了立法當到國會議員還把自己當小學生在這裡錄影來 這個主計長 |
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現在立法院已經正式三讀通過也送到了行政院跟總統府所以我們今天才會站在這裡來探討財化法到底修正合不合理有沒有需要再調整本席讓你看一下這個各縣市 |
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我們那個 這個是總表我們一個比較小的一個表 我們來看一下台北市 |
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財務法修正了以後增加416億每一年增加416億新北市增加374億台中市增加262億台南市增加163億高雄市增加245億桃園市增加259億下一頁 |
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宜蘭縣增加128億新竹縣增加185億苗栗縣增加137億彰化縣增加181億南投縣增加138億 |
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章化縣增加181億雲林縣增加149億嘉義縣增加120億平東縣增加134億台東縣增加134億花蓮縣增加161億基隆市增加75億新竹市增加210億嘉義市增加69億主計長 |
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這麼多的縣市能夠掌握自由財源我們今天要深刻地來探討財化法因為在1999年立法院做了一個不正確的事情如果當時還是中央六十地方四十的統籌分配今天沒有這些問題但是今生以後1999年以後到今天 |
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所有的地方縣市幾乎都要取債因為地方沒有足夠的自主裁員而且也完全違背了中華民國憲法的地方自治沒有辦法落實地方自治地方沒有自主裁員所以25年來不分政黨國民黨 |
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民進黨不斷的呼籲要修正財化法充實地方的財源來落實地方自治所以在這裡我們是接受民意來修正財化法這個財化法現在修正了以後請問這個主席長有哪一個部分自然能行 |
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我跟委員報告一下以前今省前28.94%是直轄市和縣市台灣省是11%然後中央政府是60%那今省後中央政府變成75.4%地方24.6%那這個部分裡面你說的15%裡面它是包括台灣省的部分是11% |
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那現在縣市的部分它才4.3%那你現在把15%因為3753就是佔9%然後一般縣市補助的部分不能減它是約6%所以兩個合起來就是15%你把15%移給地方但是你省政府的那個部分沒辦法移 |
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那省政府的部分譬如說老農今天159億譬如說健保900多億譬如說國立高中值350億還有原來的省立醫院有400多億那這一部這加起來就140幾億但是這是可以分的那有一些是分到部會裡面原來省政府的醫院是沒有辦法分出來所以你事前沒有去劃分那你現在把15分出去 |
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中央面對這個部分他就必須減那中央三兆一裡面他依法律義務一兆五然後兩千五百零一的一個補助限制兩個合起來一兆八減掉這一法律義務的部分只剩下一兆三那我如果要減三七五三我就要平均減的話我就要減百分之二十八好如果說國防預算很重要我不減那我平均每一個人就要減百分之三十七 |
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這就是我們覺得困難的地方好 謝謝所以這個3753是嗎是分配到各縣市3753是本席先請教一個簡單的問題我們是不是要尊重中華民國憲法是有這麼困難回答嗎是嗎是好中華民國憲法保障的地方自治我們要不要來落實 |
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我們也是往這方面來盡量請明確回答要不要落實是嗎 是不是是好 謝謝我想因為你不是一個政務官你從事務官上來我們很樂意跟你溝通因為良性不會鬥嘴不會有政治任務在這裡砸場所以我們很明確的來詢問所有相關的問題 |
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但是呢剛剛您提到3700億如果啊這個給地方縣市政府你有部分自然難行本席在這裡清楚表達我們非常歡迎全責的分配可以商量全責的分配可以商量我想各縣市也都很願意但是我們要依法行政什麼叫依法行政你必須要把它公告 |
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實施的時候因為實施的實際的年份還沒有到我們可以各縣市大家一起來談國會也很願意來談所以主計長您放心我們都尊重但是呢不要用不溝通的方式用網軍側翼部會首長扮演網紅的方式這不是國家之福你同意嗎 |
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是 我要再跟委員補充一點沒有關係啦 剛剛您在說的本席待會還會讓您有補充的時間本席問的問題很簡單就回答本席這樣好不好是不是 你同意嗎是那本席在這裡要跟你商量一下過去四年我們看一下過去四年中央政府超收了多少稅收超收了多少稅收 |
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1606.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1610.929 |
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從2021年到2024年中央政府超收一兆8707億一兆8707億中間有5318億是拿去還救債但是還有1300多億一兆3000多億拿去做政府的輿促等等我們再看一下 |
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1634.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1646.34 |
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從2021年到2023年就是民國110年到112年我們有多少政府的輿促我們來看一下中央政府輿促110年110年112年總共輿促有1兆654億有這麼多的稅基剩餘真的一年三年有1兆654億的稅基剩餘 |
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1662.418 |
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1689.29 |
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平均一年有3400多億的稅基剩餘如果3700億分給地方其實大家來談一談都是可以談的我們用數字來證明所以在這裡主席長有這麼多稅基剩餘我們大家當然可以談好不好有很務實的把國家的 |
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1721.02 |
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這個稅收能夠用在人民身上本席在這裡你聽我講本席要先讓你了解地方政府有多麼窘困我們要用中央政府是一個父母官的心態來看待地方政府因為直接照顧2300萬人是非常重要的這個主計長我們如果能夠財化法修正以後依法實施 |
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1722.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1747.638 |
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地方你剛剛提到的這個未來的高中是不是像台北市一樣由這個交給地方來管這個都可以來商量都可以來商量包括有一些老農基地這都可以商量看中央跟地方怎麼分配這個都可以談因為重點是什麼一條路不用分山崎來鋪因為地方政府都在舉債沒有錢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1764.052 |
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防災設施一次到位不用一條河的整治上中下游要分三期堤防要分三期做什麼都要分幾期大家拼命寫報告送到中央審核一年半年曠日廢時 |
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1767.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1784.556 |
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地方政府最了解地方人民直接的地方自治直接的地方民權直接的地方鄉親照顧本席在這裡讓你看一下如果財化法實施以後我們可以做多少直接造福地方人民的事情讓你直接來看 |
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1785.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1812.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們青年創業地方的青年創業地方政府可以直接支持青年創業購屋都可以需要貸款都可以利息來補貼再過來結婚年輕人不敢結婚結婚可以給他結婚好禮生育可以給他生育補助可能現在兩萬未來可以十萬再過來零到六歲現在國家養零到六歲一個月六千我們可以加倍養三倍養只要地方財源可以的話有足夠的預算再過來 |
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1813.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1831.486 |
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全民防災像花東地區很多的災情常常會有天災地變因為是台灣的迎風面這些都可以推動全民的防災保險還有老人健保老人健保是一國兩制在台灣為什麼六都老人健保費 |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1859.774 |
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是地方政府講其他非六都越窮的地方要自己講老百姓自己講這都不合理的事情還有老人長照要不要長照保險保險給地方政府來負責還有這個包括老人家如果不能吃東西整個人就開始技能退化所以這些老人裝假牙的問題重養理精的問題還有我們可以像日本 |
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1861.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1871.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
所有的教育通通由政府來負責從幼兒園 小學 初中 高中 大學碩士 博士 出國留學通通可以由政府來支持 |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1900.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
讓教育讓貧窮的孩子都不用憂慮就可以到學校去一個屋簷下一個教室裡面不會有兩種學生一個叫有錢繳費的學生一個叫沒有錢繳費的學生這個都可以來做然後呢還有更多的包括文化提升教育提升農業提升產業提升基礎建設提升房災所有的這些設施提升這都給地方政府在第一線在第一線可以立刻來做 |
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1901.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1928.155 |
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可以造福基層的兩千三百萬人這就是我們今天關心的問題這個主計長我相信啊您 不好意思您不曉得我相信您當了母親 當了祖母了嗎您應該有當過母親了吧已經當母親了吧沒有 我單身 |
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1928.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1953.838 |
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哎呀 抱歉抱歉 但是在我們這個年紀有機會的話都當祖母了 對不對所以啊 我們都深愛我們的家人如果我們在一個能夠得到政府照顧的環境人民會更加的放心所以為什麼過去各個政黨都要求修裁劃法尤其民進黨是喊得最大聲的 |
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1955.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1975.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
主席長我們願意敞開大門來協商也希望主席長您準備好的時候隨時隨時跟我們來協商我們很願意啊來跟這個主席長協商我們是不是請這個卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長麻煩請卓院長好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1991.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2009.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
我們剛剛已經跟主席講說一個非常誠意良心的協商也希望未來協商過程能夠清楚把財務法的修正能夠落實也尊重中華民國憲法也尊重地方自治能夠盡快來完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2009.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2036.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
好不好 我們卓院長一起來完成一句話 去年我們就準備了一本要跟立法院來協商但是12月20號之前的那一個禮拜發生了一些大家都不願看到的事情所以整個談的時間就減少了所以我們希望有機會再跟各位為先進請韓院長能夠再主持大家把這件事情好好地談一談我想 卓院長謝謝你再次提醒但是我還是呼籲一下 喚醒您的記憶 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2038.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2062.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
當您邀請我們針對一百一十四年度總預算的爭議因為立法院三讀通過的進法補償全民健保相關的這些公糧收購這些都沒有編入預算的時候我們在行政院協商你也當本席的面 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2063.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2088.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
告訴我採訪法如果一四六七千億放給地方您也受不了希望要協談本席清楚的告訴你那時候十月底本席清楚的告訴你我們很願意協商供候但是兩個月斷訊沒有任何訊息所以本席剛剛會跟主席講清楚的表達我們從來沒有接受過 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2089.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2118.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
一直都沒有介紹任何訊息要來協商所以我希望這個卓院長未來市政上大家多溝通可以嗎可以嗎我衷心的期盼我們能夠合理性的希望我們未來多溝通我們都很願意好不好我們敞開大門一句話就是我們在行政院談過之後主計總署財政部一直跟地方有所接觸也算出了這麼多的版本 |
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2118.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2146.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
但是就苦無機會來談對 因為本席已經清楚表達我們去年十月有一個deal本席在等你 恭候但兩個月斷訊無聲無息所以今天已經發展到這樣對於財化法的修正基本上 左院長您支持嗎我一直說財化法是目前我們執行起來最有把握的但是它一定有它可以調整討論的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2148.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2177.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
討論討論空間但是呢我想請這個執政黨還有相關的這些網紅側翼不要再講這個修裁劃法就是中共同路人修裁劃法就是賣台修裁劃法就是啊這些攻擊政府請卓院長約束一下約束一下不為首長不要再來出來講這些沒有網軍啊但是我也很剛剛很注意聆聽委員所說的地方所有的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2178.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2206.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
如果經費充裕能夠照顧但是如果委員能夠再多提一下當國家需要的時候如何強化國防如何走出國家的外交如果讓政府在這個事項上也能夠有充裕的財源那我們對地方城鄉差距政府有財政的彈性跟能力能夠來彌平這個城鄉差距如果能夠這樣講的話那隨後再加上委員剛剛描述的也許就是一個藍圖那中華民國台灣會是一個更好的國家謝謝院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2210.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2231.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
因為剛剛提到讓國家更好國防更加您剛提到的就是希望能夠事前溝通不過我們在財政委員會在去年的6月19號就有一個臨時提案希望我們財政部能夠在下一個會期開議之前能夠提出版本那大家來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2233.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2255.3 |
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但是好像正院版本一直到現在後來都沒有提出那我想這個也是我們一直很希望能夠跟我們財政部這邊跟行政院這邊來溝通但是事實上一直到12月12月剛剛這個院長講的事實上也都一直沒有溝通所以不是我們不願意溝通而是這個本來在財政委員會就已經有一個臨時提案 |
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2255.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2281.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
來去要求這個政院提出政院的版本院長應該還記得吧部長也在這邊他應該還記得任務要跟地方做很多的溝通而且就這一次這一次近時間來主計長也跟召委有相當多的聯繫跟裁委會的召委有相當多的聯繫我都知道我想剛剛徐議政委員講得非常清楚本席也講得很清楚去年十月本席等於兩個月國民黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2284.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2294.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
在去年7月做的決議在財政委員會做的決議請行政院9月提出版本但是也沒有其實國民黨已經等待多時 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2296.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2325.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
已經等待多時並不是不跟行政院溝通而是行政院一直沒有提出版本這跟過去行政院再三的民進黨再三的要求要修才化法但是在卓院長上台以後這個部分好像沒有聽到民進黨再說要修正的聲音所以我們要特別強調不要讓權力使人腐化不要忘了初衷初心 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2326.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2354.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
當時民進黨呼天搶地要修才化法但是在野黨也提出來希望你們提版本但一直都沒有提我希望這些事情以後都不要發生大家多做一些良善的溝通剛剛卓院長有提到希望我們的國防各方面都能夠提升來保衛我們的國家有剩餘的這些款項願意讓地方支持能夠落實本席就請教一下延續昨天的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2356.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2385.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
現在台積電已經成為美積電我們護國神山戲盾已經正式的已經撕裂已經破裂那到今天為止請問我們跟美國我們到底爭取到了我們什麼樣的台美這個防禦條例還是聯防協議還是有其他的關稅豁免請問院長有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2386.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2392.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
好的 我請委員在回答這個問題之前我請一句話過去101年地方財政的短處598億 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2394.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2419.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
到了112年地方剩餘高達648億當地方財政在好轉的情況底下財政法跟過去的思維是要不一樣的我願意我也承認給地方更多的自主財源絕對是中央政府未來應該思考的但是如果談論出合理的財政收支發放法才是好的方法我們現在講更大的國安問題請您回答好不好 本席剛剛講的國際談判不是一朝一夕 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2420.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2436.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
就像台積電到各個國家去設廠也不是一天兩天他必須長時間的規劃他必須取得土地他必須很多很多的狀況所以不是一朝一夕來這裡而且因為台積電到美國去是要經過政府同意的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2437.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2455.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
那你昨天說樂觀其成那請問一下嘛本席就請教嘛到底得到我們國家什麼樣的安全保障嘛因為你剛剛主動提起嘛為了國家安全嘛那本席現在請教嘛我們得到了什麼國家安全嘛請告訴本席啊如果違反國家安全我們是不會核准的所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2458.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2485.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
所以國家安全你還是依賴在台積電上面嘛對不對國家安全不只台積電那如果未來卓院長您核准了台積電到美國投資5兆多把上下游產業全部帶走這個不是10兆20兆的問題是台灣產業空洞化人口科技人口流失大量的高端收入的人都流失 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2487.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2516.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
這個大量的失業潮跟對台灣產業的衝擊請問一下卓院長對我們的國安得到什麼委員你誤會了我沒有核准我也沒有能力在這個時候核准當國內的產業去外國談的時候本席現在請教如果你願意核准的時候台灣能得到什麼他要合乎我國的法律好 那本席現在在這裡明確的告訴院長因為院長你說你還沒有核准好 本席現在在這裡強調我們站在人民的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2517.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2546.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
如果我們的護國神山75年來打造的護國神山千萬不要再千萬不要讓孫運賢先生李國鼎先生在天上流淚把台灣的家底一切之間割讓掉割讓出去第一個台美FTA關稅豁免台美共同聯防防禦保障協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2548.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2577.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
如果做不掉 如果做不到總院長 千萬不要核准台積電出走你剛剛的前提是不存在的我們不會把它割讓出去你後來那幾項都是國家安全重要的事項看一看韓國怎麼堅持三星有出去嗎我們跟韓國學習嘛 腰桿要挺直可以嗎再過來 你又提到國防本席請教一下川普大帝 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2578.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2596.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
跟美國國防部次長提名人要求台灣的國防要在GDP的10%我們一年GDP今年中華民國政府表示我們的GDP今年是26兆8800億10%是2兆6800億 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2607.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2635.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我們的國防軍備要兩兆六千八百八十億請問卓院長川普大帝要求的時候已經正式敲門請問你要怎麼做美國川普總統不僅對台灣他對很多的國家包括北約他都有同樣的要求北希問你的事你是中華民國行政院長北希請教你中華民國如何因應請你告訴全國人民中華民國在目前這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2636.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2652.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
絕對沒有能力去編列一個兩兆六千億的國防經費所以我們會衡量自己的財政能力跟我們國軍的經費之所需要要求您做要求您做你可以公開拒絕嗎你現在公開表達公開表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2655.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2674.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
如果美國要求我們GDP百分之十兩兆六千八百八十億來做軍備你同不同意我們在2025年所編的那句說我們現在沒有能力編制一個所以您不同意是嗎我們沒有能力您不同意是嗎現在我們沒有能力不是沒有能力以外同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2675.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2685.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
如果我們有能力有需要的時候那個再來考量這是一個不存在的議題什麼叫不存在人家已經正式扣關了他不是對台灣要求這樣子他對很多國家都不存在這不是掩耳盜鈴啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2689.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2714.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
不是把頭藏在土裡全世界的人都在講就像中國要求我們承認九二共識我也沒有辦法答應他一樣不要扯到這個啦今天是台美的問題請你務實回答不要這樣意識形態來打斷本席本席最後一次請教中華民國的行政院長對於10%兩兆六千八百八十億的國防預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2716.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2742.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
本席現在沒有預設立場但請院長回答您同不同意我們在2025年今年沒有辦法未來我們要衡量國家財政很長的一段時間如果要兩兆多的預算作為國防預算依照我們現在預算規模那是不可能如果再過來不止10%還有中華民國成年的青年滿20歲就要去服兩年役沒有這個討論沒有這個議題沒有這個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2746.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2762.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
所以未來在賴清德總統任期內未來三年都不會提出我們的義難的義旗能不能承諾人民未來三年不會提出中華民國義難的義旗多長是國家決定不是應誰之要求好所以未來三年都不會實施嘛是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2764.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2792.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我們現在沒有討論這個議題本席現在跟你討論這個議題人民很關心的問題怎麼叫做你現在不討論這個議題本席請正確回答本席的問題我們在討論的是如何均衡台灣如何幫助中小企業沒有在討論疫情延長的問題所以你不敢回答本席的問題我已經回答了所以本席請教你未來三年會不會實施兩年兵役會還是不會 |
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2793.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2803.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
未來三年怎麼樣會不會實施兩年兵役未來三年會不會實施兩年兵役現在不會把這個問題拿來討論所以他不會改變現狀就在國會什麼問題不能討論還有什麼你不拿來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2811.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2825.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
政府現在沒有在討論這個議題所以現在政府會改變嗎正式告訴你如果你不能承諾就是心虛我沒有心虛我已經回答了本席讓你看一下現在烏克蘭的情況傷亡百萬人再看到烏克蘭現在的現狀烏克蘭的現狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2837.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2861.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
再看一下現在不只割礦賠款割地賠款要還美國3500億美元外債還要割5000億的稀土礦給美國還有包括俄羅斯佔領的土地不得歸還還要投降另外還有歐盟要來守債 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2883.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
整個烏克蘭人民的GDP才4200塊美金平均一個月才1萬塊收入烏克蘭人民啊 維奴啊100年都還不還這樣的外債你們看一看 本席現在鄭重告訴行政院鄭重 正高賴清德總統我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2885.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2900.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
當時慫恿烏克蘭去對抗因為俄烏戰爭發生之前看一下川普怎麼講俄烏戰爭發生前烏東很多親俄羅斯的人對俄羅斯表現友善造成俄羅斯的誤解才造成俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭鐵的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2903.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2905.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
川普連續幾日催促烏克蘭重新選舉更直指總統澤倫斯基民調只剩下4% |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
再看一看一國的元首 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2942.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2944.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
詹仁士在美國怎麼被羞辱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2961.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2974.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
你所做的事非常不尊重這個國家,這個國家。這比很多人所說的更加尊重。你曾經說謝謝嗎?你躲在那裡,人們在死亡中,你正在減少軍事。你正在減少軍事,這真是一件很好的事。然後你告訴我們,我沒有想要停火,我沒有想要停火,我只想要這個。你看,如果你現在可以停火的話,我告訴你,你應該接受。 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2989.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
3001.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
賴總統主持的國家就是在避免戰爭的一個政權這個政府就是在避免戰爭所以要強大自己我們也要防止像烏通人民被俄國表示善意造成吐蕪俄羅斯誤解的狀況發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
3007.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
3034.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
國家GDP的百分之十一年軍費兩兆六千八百億所以您同意啊是嗎我沒有同意我們現在沒有那個能力去編列一個兩兆六千億的國家很多國家都被要求日本挺直腰桿拒絕對關稅領域墨西哥挺直腰桿拒絕對關稅領域加百分之二十五降到大挺直腰桿拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
3037.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
3052.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
卓院長不要啊人家不同意都挺著腰桿不同意割讓結果台灣是還沒有人家要求我們就把台積電送掉了您錯了我告訴卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
3055.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
3073.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
李國廷 孫玉璇啊在天上都會流淚啊台灣75年的家底被您用沒有任何條件就把他割讓出賣了這是台灣的護國神這是台灣的戲盾你又錯了希望你挺直腰桿如果台積電要去美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
3075.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
3092.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
台灣2300萬人一定要得到確切的安全保障不然你絕對不能犧牲全國人民這75年來的努力讓我們這麼多的錢流向美國這麼多國家的安全的細鈍從此破裂我們台灣2300萬人在這塊土地上 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
3093.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
3114.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
我們最後所有人民的努力我們的台積電我們的護國神山在你任內崩山你如何面對2300萬人你世代的子孫都永遠記得因為你擔任行政院長同意了台積電到美國去而沒有任何條件這就是出賣台灣請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
3115.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
3126.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
不要當出賣台灣的人更不要當一個勤快更不能當一個賣台的人我們如果沒有挺直腰桿不能讓民進黨政府賣台不能讓民進黨政府賣台不能讓你賣台不能讓你賣台好 謝謝謝謝傅坤祺三位委員的資訊 |