| IVOD_ID |
159011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159011 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-11T11:08:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-11T11:24:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a37056a99b6ff728b934af9bcc836fb731125bfab2e25e257baf9d4aee1cbbae938357d8e0506d445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:37 - 11:24:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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坦白講這不是黨派的問題這已經是國家遇到的困境那本席今天就國防預算的部分他的傷害跟影響來就教於兩位那我們看一下在國防預算簡列的部分 |
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72.433 |
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88.491 |
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部長我們被檢列了84億4千多萬總共有15個案子是你可不可以概述一下這些檢列案對我們國防運作上還有對盟友之間有沒有產生什麼樣的影響我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
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104.461 |
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我舉其中最關鍵的就是說因為他現在過去的這個統三之後他都可以我這邊有個表啦有一個科目自己可以調整那現在最重要的就是他現在有不得留用 |
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105.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
128.36 |
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那這個不得留用其中有一個國外旅會跟出國教育訓練費用3減了15%也就是2.4億元這樣子的一個弧度它會影響到我們的新式武器裝備換裝所需要的我是覺得我們可以用讓民眾了解的狀況我們公務預算我們不含基金不含每年的特別預算的分攤我們編列了4760億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
132.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
155.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
檢列的部分軍事裝備及設施預算檢列51億3%這個會影響到我們武器系統建軍的規劃基建裝甲車等零附件的籌補這時候老舊裝備的換裝更新會受這個影響我們的軍人的步槍是不是在這裡面新式步槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
156.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
175.093 |
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是,我想這個部分我們事實上在之前提出給行政院就已經提出過了就如委員所講的,確實會無法滿足老舊裝備更新態度包括我們T112的步槍要換裝嘛那這些零附件的籌補是相當的重要另外一般事務費跟水電費,3減了16.7億 |
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179.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
208.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
這個對於不管是戰備訓練基本維持會有影響另外我們的戰備工程國外差旅費像國外差旅費整個三減掉兩億砍掉了15%這個影響到我們到國外的交流跟接裝我們從去年開始每年兩個聯兵營到美國受訓我們F16V開始要進行接裝部長可不可以就這個項目有關這一個出國的費用被減劣了兩億造成的傷害跟影響 |
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229.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
對,我覺得最主要就是說,因為有很多在野黨的委員一直說他這個刪的弧度沒有很大但是問題是除了剛剛院長報告有對很多機關有針對性的一個刪減之外就這個部分呢,他最重要他又加了四個字,就是不得留用也就是說 |
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233.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
240.808 |
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我沒有辦法拿自行調整科目所以這樣子的話整個金額是高達2.4億元他這個高達2.4億元之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
245.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
263.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
剛剛已經提到了新式的武器我們本來就一定要到美國去接裝訓練這個會有影響更重要的是我們赴國外協訓所需要的金額我們會有一定的要求我們現在一定要逐漸達到一定的規模跟涉及所需要的訓練這個影響很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
267.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
291.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我們不管海馬士我們要派人去受訓F16V新的相關的裝備要派人去受訓我們的聯兵營去受訓這個費用砍掉了還不能讓你留用也就是說沒有就是沒有啊那相對的盟友得到的訊息是你連接裝換裝訓練各方面你的錢都砍掉如果作為你的朋友我還要來幫你的忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
293.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
308.818 |
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台灣的事就是人家的事就台灣自己當作沒事這樣會出事喔我可能要跑快一點因為時間的關係剛才是三減的部分喔我們再看一下凍結的部分4760億的國防公務預算凍結有279案合計凍結899億4千萬元這大概史上最高了啦我們來看細項 |
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323.53 |
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344.599 |
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這個往前走那這一個預算的凍結裡面我特別注意到有一個是有關我們的油料我們的去彈藥的籌貨凍結了百分之三十嘛凍結了百分之三十所以這個部分是不是請部長或院長說明清楚就是說他看起來好像是業務費幫你凍結了三十趴 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
347.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
366.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我們現在國防部的運作是等到這70%用完了我們最後剩三個月再來解凍還是從現在開始我們就只能動之70%是不是部長請說明一下他應該有一個條件就是說要到達一定的我們的解凍條件才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
368.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
387.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
那另外就是說因為這個部分會涉及到這個整個作業為止就我們的零護艦各式彈藥訓練經費還有軍事投資包括陸軍的仁西式短程的防空飛彈高效能反彈藥飛彈攻擊的無人機海軍的輕型七代型巡防艦第二階段的原型艦的籌建 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
388.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
410.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
康定級的系統的性能的升級還有空軍的新式高調機還有艾二性能我們拉法葉的升級也在這裡還有採購艾三還有高高空無人機等等那這些主要的問題是在過去都是委員會書面報告後就可以解凍那它現在百分之三十的業務費的部分是要到院會做報告之後我請教院長這個所謂院會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
414.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
438.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這個我只有凍結而已嘛你不夠的拿來嘛我們院會在解凍嘛我們如果在立法院代表院會一年開幾次這個解凍的困難度是不是請院長說明一下這次的凍結的金額雖然大院是沒有宣布我們自己把它調算出來整個決議案過程我們是算成1300多億啦但是其中很多到院會那我想金額是比以前多程序是比以前難 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
441.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
469.649 |
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那如果都到院會來解凍的話我剛剛已經報告過了過去98年到113年90%的案子 最後一件的解凍案都在11月或12月我想 國家容不得這樣的一個拖延所以我有一句話 山多少 國家的建設就撿多少解凍慢多久 國家的發展就慢多久其實到11月解凍 這預算等於沒有了啦你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
470.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
483.253 |
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共軍燒了我們的ADIZ我們的空軍飛行員跑到頭五分鐘待命拉上去之後還要準備第二波就有料凍結30%但要凍結30%怎麼會這樣對自己國家的軍人呢中國增加軍費到八兆台幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
491.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
505.043 |
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今年度他們還增加7.2%就我們自己把30%彈藥 油料以及相關的船艦各方面都把它凍結起來而且解凍的條件如此之嚴苛我們再看一個例子下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
507.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
533.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
像民雄 我都不知道自己人哪裡得罪了藍白 我也不知道無人機的發展對我們的經貿產業鼓勵人剛從美國述職回來他去川普 他不用回去喔他是不用回華府報到卻被川普政府叫回去去了解美國政府現在最新對台政策回到台灣裡面有一項希望建立非紅無人機供應鏈結果我們無人機的園區被凍結50% |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
538.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
554.024 |
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這個在籌備階段給它凍結另外還有一個案子 下一個像我們相關的零附件保修凍結10%那個顧部長我們的保修跟零附件其實原來的預算就不太夠了現在要凍結10%對軍中產生什麼影響對 這個凍結10%高達76.4億元這個非常不利 76億 76億點4億元這個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
566.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
587.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
很明顯的就是說我們各型的機艦、戰甲、炮車等主要裝備都要進行維保跟妥善不然的話會影響整個部隊的戰演性任務你這個零附件裡面其實還包含了我們現在要提升國軍因為每一個軍人弟兄姊妹都是我們所珍惜的他的抗彈版在這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
589.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
602.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
你也把它弄掉10%那這抗彈板面對共軍換磚6.8厘米的我們也在提升防護力所以這些東西是可以討論的需不需要該怎麼做現在沒有就把你通通凍起來我們再看下一個潛艦部長你好好說明一下我們的海昆號潛艦後續艦的籌劃的20億被凍結50% |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
615.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
643.029 |
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這一個我們潛艦要能夠造成功國外願意冒著中共制裁經濟制裁的風險提供相關的裝備跟技術協助這是很重要的我們自己國內的廠商的合作意願這是重要的我們過去幾年來在台船跟海軍訓練的專業人才能夠留下來這是重要的這個凍結50%就部長了解它產生什麼樣的負面影響跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
658.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這個潛艦預算主要是我們九月才能夠完成海上的測試那如果完成海上測試之後按照我之前的承諾就是說等海上測試以後我們就凍職可是它現在凍結之後要經過院會的專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
662.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
685.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
院會的專報那如果沒有辦法排入院會的專報的話他就沒有辦法順利解凍那後續建的計畫的節點包括這個裝備合約會的繳付或者是國外政府的輸出許可降低廠商的合作意願流失這個一些造建的專業人才等等就會衝擊到後續建的一個建造他產生的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
687.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
706.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
有一個是往後延取得時間往後延還有一種可能性如果這些輸出許可沒有了搞不好後續間就沒有了有沒有這個風險如果我們沒有辦法順利解凍的話確實會有因為我們這個整個潛艦的這個水下的海 |
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707.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
721.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
SAT的測試是要到下半年那下半年如果過了那我們希望馬上就順利解凍的話那當然就可以支應那這個這一個國外的廠商他會看到這樣子的一個解凍 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
722.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
722.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
台灣遇到的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
744.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
767.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
別人何必人家犯不著為了你冒風險如果你自己都不確定那我們不是說預算不該監督你就把它通過之後帶SAT通過我們來處理現在又綁定在院會其實困難度相當高我有一個總的統計數字那個各家算法不一樣但根據剛才我們國防部的公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
769.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
776.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
編了4760億 簡列84億 凍結899億加起來的話 三家凍的比例高達20.67%這也就是為什麼美國軍事委員會在審查COBI也就是美國負責政策的副部長的聽證會 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
791.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
802.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
不管是蘇利文或者其他的參議員他提出的關係而且他們這次點得很清楚甚至包含帕廷吉爾 博明來到立法院拜會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
803.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
827.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
他這個是有授權說可以說出來的他也在關心說不要再講你動多少撿多少當你做了動作把台灣國家安全預算往下一壓釋放給在華府川普的新任官員只有得到一個印象你台灣根本不重視自己的安全你都不重視我為什麼對你的關心要超過你自己甚至於不排除有些人把他壓低 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
829.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
855.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
是樂見於台灣人民被北京所管理這是很嚴重的訊號當時像Partinger也好或者Sullivan也好他用的是emergency他說這是一個緊急狀態台灣各界必須重視而Sullivan在聽證會的時候還特別說台灣有人看到他這一段聽證請轉述不要再玩這種危險的遊戲所以我最後這個問題要請教那個院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
879.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
以現在總預算這樣遇到的狀況追加啊解凍啊這樣就可以改革啦你做院長的知識現在藍白提出的解決方案能解決這問題嗎如果真的誠心誠意讓國家按部就班的走向一個發展而且跟世界接軌的路就盡快的能夠讓預算如數的如期的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
880.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
908.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
追加或是用其他的方式都耗費時日如果能夠通過附議案重新協商再一次我想很短的時間就可以了你都知道應該要追加了你為什麼不把原始預算處理好嘛是你都講要追加了你就知道這有算有問題啊那這不是面子問題這國家跟人民的利益問題你都認為說你就辦追加嘛我幫你追加那你原始預算我們透過附議好好把它處理也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
908.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
909.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
謝謝王委員 |