| IVOD_ID |
158982 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158982 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-04T11:20:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-04T11:52:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:32:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/bbd912f2957afca85662a9f4a7ed47db94dbecbd8929cd068559dfdcf8395a9b123a4db8f526838d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:45 - 11:52:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議（事由：對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢） |
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現在大家都在關心今天凌晨我們的台電董事長魏哲嘉跟川普在白宮這個記者會我覺得 |
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現在政府有責任要跟全民交代我們有做的什麼樣的因應措施它有幾個點非常的重要第一個今天宣布的加碼投資一千億美金院長比你中央政府總預算的規模還大這是一個第二個它的先進的製程包括2奈米跟A16可能最近都要過去了 |
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這是多大的一個影響所以大家在問台積電已經開始在變成美積電嗎我們的復國神山台積電現在開始要變成掛筆刷了嗎像台南的半屏山嗎 |
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這是多嚴重的一個事情我要問第一個問題政府之前有沒有掌握第二個你們跟台積電跟美國有沒有溝通有做了什麼樣的因應措施 |
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政府當然了解產業界他們在全球布局發展的策略也跟他做密切的接觸跟討論過所以總統的狀況我們都我們也知道業界的立場業界知道政府的需求這個是在國家最大利益的情況底下我們共同採取對全球布局的策略院長我們有責任跟民眾交代清楚這段時間的溝通是什麼樣子我先請教經濟部長我看你2281天了 |
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部長,你還在拘舉跟民眾講說台積電要去美國我們正在積極地爭取研發中心要留在台灣可是今天早上的紀佳輝我們不只是先進的製程要過去了本來就已經有三座的經驗場第一個,要增加三座先進的經驗場還有兩座先進的風車場最讓我震撼的 |
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保定三岡井,二五八那天還在講我們要積極爭取研發中心要留在台灣結果今天已經宣布了你留不住啊我可以回答這個問題嗎應該是記者聽錯了吧應該是記者聽錯了吧我是講說供應鏈我是講供應鏈半導體供應鏈的研發中心在台灣 |
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台積電的研發中心也是在台灣的所以又是記者講錯那問題更重要,沒有沒有,部長現在比較重要你講話被記者聽不下去第二個更重要的,你投審會要審啊對不對你剛才說嘛,剛才柯子恩問你關心審查的標準是什麼?就是我們最先進的先進製程 |
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要贏賴這個要差不多一個世代你不能夠隨便把最先進的放到海外去對不對我們現在最先進是什麼2奈米A16對不對你的投審會會擋下來嗎要不然你就違反規定喔我們就在依照規定在處理跟委員報告N-1或者是N-1的製程只有對中國採取這樣的一個措施所以兩個問題嘛第一個美國這次你是會放行的 |
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第二個這會不會本來是我們的優勢嘛為什麼要有這個規定最先進的留在台灣一段時間一個世代以後我們進步完以後才到海外去嘛 |
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你看你現在到德國 到日本都這樣美國現在 保定保定你本來的二奈米 本來計畫時間到美國是2028我們台灣今年年底才開始生產欸我們開始量產欸結果美國現在可能提早到今年底 明年就要了 |
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我們優勢在什麼地方怎麼保障我們自己的優勢您的訊息可能是錯誤的啦美國的廠他第一廠只有4奈米在做現在今年開始要生產第二廠今年的才要開始去Ground breaking所以你在講那個假設不是那麼快就馬上可以做所以部長你今天保證喔部長我聽說你今天保證當在全民的 |
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我們今年底要量產的這個廠花了多少時間在台灣興建 |
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那怎麼可能明年到美國去呢你看人家新的廠已經亞利桑那已經開始要量產了宿舍廠沒關係你今天只要全米院長跟部長你們今天只要保證明年底之前我們最先進的2奈米跟A16不會美國就有了好不好這個是當著全米的面當然就是這個樣子啊委員我保證明年2奈米跟1.6奈米的 |
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不會到美國上場今天部長清楚表示了另外今天台積電器做這麼大的一個投資 |
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不是只有經濟發展問題會不會影響到台灣的經濟第二個就是國安問題了有人講這個為什麼叫復國神山台積電提案家所以中國大陸大概不大可能來打我們美國也會救我們所以今天記者問了一個問題問川普他說如果中國試圖要孤立或者要攻打台灣台積電這次的這個新的投資是不是對晶片對美國的衝擊會降到最低 |
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川普怎麼說?他對於我們的安全,一句話都沒講他怎麼說?中國如果侵略台灣,這會是一場災難水巴裡面沒有講出來,要保衛台灣後面還有一句話你希望川普總統講什麼?他至少要說他害害我們台灣啊,不是嗎?你不是一直口口聲聲在那邊要求嗎?那他說,台灣有事會有很大的影響 |
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這個會是一場災難如果是中國侵略會是一場災難院長你這樣的解讀是要捍衛台灣嗎這個災難是大家希望發生的嗎對啊不要發生可是你不期待我們在這裡每天的努力也是希望他不要發生啊而不是在這裡一直希望他如果發生會怎麼樣我們希望他不要發生可是記者就是問他如果發生了攻打台灣或者故意 |
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美國的態度吧你不期待你身為院長身為台灣人你不期待今天川普嘴巴講出來是捍衛台灣保護台灣一句話都沒有啊他說這一場災難現在今天執行的重點就是院長你們要積極去爭取他們捍衛台灣哪一個人或是哪一國的總統會希望全世界都有災難呢這很清楚嘛對 |
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對啊 我們的心是一樣的啊可是我們根本就沒有什麼去保障記者問了說有這個事情他會怎麼樣嘛他嘴巴裡面有講出任何要捍衛台灣嗎這就是你要去爭取的不是 我們要努力的是讓台灣不會有事那我們應該同樣的心而不是在這裡一直說如果有事怎麼辦 有事怎麼辦沒有事才是我們的目的怎麼樣才會不會有事你一天到晚要不要抗中保台你有去追求兩岸的和平嗎 |
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這個就是今天要談的一個重點為什麼現在台灣包含很多協志連你們親歷的某些專家某些你們的親歷的民眾都講今天輪過來或輪回明天的台灣就是因為你們一直在講看天保台的時候沒有經過維護兩岸和平你們現在除了衝突衝突再衝突你們為了兩岸和平交流做了什麼事情嗎 |
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有嗎?院長我們希望兩岸能夠對等尊嚴的往來這個有開始嗎?我們一年去大陸有兩百多萬人他們來的有十幾萬人這樣有對等嗎?在不對等的情況底下委員只一直要求台灣政府做開放當然我們前面要團結一起來做來一一做任何的建議為什麼大家會擔心今天的烏克蘭會不會是明天的台灣?今天最新的消息是什麼? |
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今天最新的消息川普已經下令停止了所有對烏克蘭的軍事的這個援助我就要問了來院長你們有沒有發現美國的外交政策已經翻天覆地開始改變了這是第一個第二個川普那天跟那天跟哲智他講了什麼話你聽一下來你看一下那天川普跟哲智直接講說什麼你 |
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已經沒有籌碼跟我講話了沒有美國武器的這個幫助你撐不過兩週你看他竟然已經踩煞車了現在烏克蘭,烏俄戰爭還在打喔美國竟然已經踩煞車了第二個這句話很重要我提醒院長他說你哲文斯基你在拿數百萬的生命賭博你在拿第三世界大戰賭博你沒有籌碼的你的人民正在死亡 |
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你快沒有病了我們強化自己保衛自己展現決心跟展現我們的行動力這才是真正的保衛台灣如果光講和平告訴委員和平是最溫柔的投降的用法而已 |
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院長你一直在強調你對和平是有努力的可是全民大家有那麼多的質疑你到底做了什麼事你至少從澤倫斯基跟川普這個對話你至少看到幾個點嗎你們做了沙灘推演說如果碰到危機你要怎麼做了嗎針對他們兩個人這個對談我問至少第一個這是川普直接講他要他們的稀土要簽一個礦產的這個協定 |
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你沒想過,如果到時候兩岸有真正的衝突的時候,我們第一個要想到的不是只有美國要派兵來幫你,要不要提供金氏研修啊?是要還的,我們拿什麼去還?先讓議長回答,如果美國跟這次要求烏克蘭一樣,要他的礦產,要稀土的一半,要天然氣的一半,要石油的一半,台灣有辦法給他嗎?台灣當然沒有辦法給他稀土啊! |
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對啊,有辦法給什麼?那你的籌碼是什麼?川普直接問曾志基啊,你沒有牌啊你沒有籌碼,你的牌是什麼?你一直在爭取,爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取,爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取,爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取,爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取,爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的核心你一直在爭取最大的� |
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我們有能力保衛台灣院長請暫停 院長你的意思你是像頭鳥把頭埋在沙裡面你連沙盤對推人碰到危機要怎麼去應應都沒有嗎我們當然有應應啊你說講空話你都沒有準備嗎總統府開了這麼多次的國安保全規定要求要有綽綁你要拿什麼給他我們不是每天在指責對方而已我們在強化的是自己跟委員的工作是不一樣的我們至少強化三部分嘛第一個 |
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我們的金氏的這個設施,台灣民眾黨贊成提高到GDP3%啊第二個,你要去促進兩岸和平啊有嗎?像民進黨,你去做個民調台灣民眾黨有多少人認為民進黨是在促進兩岸和平了?沒有,我看比例非常的低第三個,你要為人民的表率啊你們要身先士卒的話總統跟你們高官,上次我問過部長 |
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你要不要前面清查一下從賴總統的小孩到我們大官的這個小孩有多少人現在是在國外如果兩岸像你們講的這麼緊張可能會打起來你們要不要把這些小孩先找回來第一個請他們服役當兵 |
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第二個我以為你這樣講傷害很多台灣人的感情在國外學習高等的技術或是做很多的產業的合作對台灣都不見得不是壞不是一些好事啊你這樣在講好像把以色列送到國外去是危險的事情以色列做的第一件事情包括媒體就是呼籲他們所有的高官全民皆兵都要回來 |
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他們丑女的小孩在國外被罵了斗殘啊馬上就回來我今天鄭重的要求沒有沒有你們不覺得讓他們的言財造成公安不安這個才是讓台灣的士氣受打擊的我覺得我這個言論應該適可而止 |
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你要做好準備不是適合而止大家都希望不要發生戰爭可是到底院長你們做了什麼所以我剛剛在提嘛第一個 該提高的這個金額我們自己提升自己 這個我們贊成的第二個 第三個更重要你們要人民表態如果你們從大選統到你們一些高官的小孩都在國外人民會怎麼看 |
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增加國防預算委員支持吧極其啊 提高3.5%預算的吧你們小孩有回來嗎我小孩沒有出去啊對啊 所以從蓋森堡到其他的當官啊在國外學習中心的技術這樣好像除了總統之外所有出去國外的小孩都有問題嗎先請暫停 先請暫停那這樣一概而論吧市長 請暫停容許本席呼籲一下 麻煩張委員 行政院 |
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關於我們互相尊重,根據抄襲協商時間共用,互相尊重張委員請繼續不要一竿子打翻一條船至少國外的人都有問題我們今天應該是很理智很理性的看整個美國的國際要用這種危言聳聽的方式不應該請暫停,請暫停,請暫停院長我在講話你不要插話好不好這樣怎麼質詢 |
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我是說不要用這種危言聳聽的不要用這種危言聳聽的方式請暫停 時間請暫停好 時間請暫停容許本席暫時宣告好不好我們時間共享讓我講完你再答好不好我前兩次你每次都是這樣插話到後來整個都失焦了今天執行張委員看一下我眼睛 |
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我們的執行非常的理性國際是非常現實跟殘酷的我們都希望台班不要發生戰爭不要掉入 |
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烏克蘭的這個困境所以我剛剛提了我們三個建議都非常的這個明確第一個可以提高軍事的這個採購跟設備我們台灣民眾是支持的第二個你要想辦法去避戰促成兩岸的和平我剛才講過了全台灣去做個民調很少人相信民進黨是要推動兩岸的和平你每天在那邊看中保台第三個請做表率 |
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從代總統到高官的小孩先回來當兵加入你們一直在推動的民防士氣是會大增的好來我們現在接下來談你剛才說包括總預算跟這個復議案跟這個大罷免你說只要找到好的方法找到另一半我今天現在我給你找方法跟找解方你現在對於 |
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中央政府總預算要提出復議案院長你知道嗎你是創了中華民國歷史有史以來第一次總預算提復議案的報告委員我要創這個歷史啊也要大院幫忙沒有你們提那麼多的案我也不會提那麼多的復議案就是因為你們一直在造謠一直在製造衝突到現在為止你必須要提復議案我們都幫你找過解方了院長你會聽聽聽看你下台是什麼時候我下台你上次當秘書長下台是什麼時候 |
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1023.887 |
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1047.697 |
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19年前對不對?就是為了你做行政院秘書長、行政院長謝長廷的秘書長的時候就為了總議帳你當行政院秘書長先不要插嘴你在19年前當行政院秘書長跟謝長廷下台不就是為了復議案嗎?你們說什麼自愛燃刑?陳水扁總統強調第一個,常委要和諧第二個,沒有什麼自愛燃刑 |
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1049.156 |
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1060.609 |
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現在你會不會因為一個總預算案要第二次下台大家眼睜睜看我剛要問你的你知道你們下台之後2006年你下台之後接任的行政院長蘇貞昌 |
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1062.91 |
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1084.051 |
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他來拜會立法院做了很好的一個溝通沒有發生你跟謝長廷當初講要提什麼復議案也沒有什麼行政院怎麼被癱瘓什麼自在燃刑啊2006年的施政很平順啊所以要問啊陳水扁那時候可以為什麼賴清德不行第二個那時候行政院長蘇貞昌行為什麼你說他都不行 |
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1085.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1111.594 |
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人家都可以解決問題你說找解方這不就是我給你的解方嗎去學學當初陳水扁怎麼解決問題蘇貞昌怎麼解決問題要不然的話你就是一個無能的政府是一個耍賴的政府我可以請問一句話嗎今年的三減數跟今年的凍結數是歷史的新高多了過去的幾倍委員會算清楚這樣嗎這是歷史的新高嗎我跟你講你根本就是造謠我跟你講我給你看這什麼叫做歷史新高我不接受你說我造謠來看一下 |
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1114.573 |
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1120.398 |
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凍結是歷史上的新高嗎?今年凍結了,來一個來一個來今年凍結了多少?4.6%金額1381,對不對?4.6%你看一下從陳水扁民國90年度開始 |
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1132.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1159.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
到馬英九十六年裡面有八年啊二分之一凍結超過五趴你那個叫歷史新高解凍的條件呢解凍條件你人家為什麼人家可以好好討論就可以說解凍我剛剛不是跟你講了嗎你為什麼不好好來溝通你們從一開始就是背個造謠衝突一直在衝突到現在皮膚一樣要到院會來才能夠解凍的條件是過去所有的嗎 |
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1160.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1186.59 |
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有啊 過去怎麼會沒有 每次只要是討論完之後都有啊是委員會還是院會委員會還是院會所以你的歷史新高 凍結的歷史新高被戳破了嘛 對不對沒有 條件也不一樣條件不一樣 好 數字會講話啦你看看 有8次都是超過5% 比例都比你還高你如果從金額去看你是1381億凍結對不對 |
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1190.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1211.542 |
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你看,有四年啦,民國94年度、民國95年度、97年度、102年度,有四次的金額比你多高我最生氣的是,2005年、2006年,這兩年度凍結的預算最多那時候你在行政院在秘書上,你怎麼可以睜著眼睛說笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1212.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1239.679 |
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所以我請教委員解凍的條件一樣嗎解凍的條件人家蘇貞昌為什麼你沒辦法解凍這個就是你無能的地方耍賴的地方我沒有耍賴那為什麼蘇貞昌行你不行呢是你無理的地方如果你做不到蘇貞昌人家可以做你就換人讓有能力的行政院長來做再來看第二個訪問你說你要提復議案你的刪減數怎麼太多630 |
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1243.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1261.926 |
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這個636億沒辦法去自行調整第一我告訴你自行調整每一年地管局審議算自行調整都要有啊重要是你的主計長你的官員要在後面我們在協商的時候要跟我們一起討論你丟在那一開始就不來這是一個點你們貴的製造混亂 |
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1263.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1285.075 |
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這個是創歷史 你是第一個總預算 欸 曉涵 停了你創下第一個總預算提付議案第二個你創下一個非常糟的惡例每次立委在審預算財政部的觀點跟主席的觀點在後面隨時要去討論的這次有來嗎一次都沒有你們不溝通 |
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1286.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1295.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
郭中興我現在說什麼有問題你創了一個非常難堪的惡例我講一句話好不好聽我講完會跟你講你說636億沒辦法調整我給你一個例子你看民國91年2002年議定是張進雄那一年立法院審查總預算做了一個重要決定你自行去刪減多少錢 |
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1320.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1343.697 |
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685億685億有比636億多對不對後來有沒有刪減成功你要講清楚啊這個是刪減數啊你現在提呼議案不是兩個嗎你說凍結數立法院都被我戳爆啦你講謊話被我戳爆我只要講一句話就好了你不清楚立法院在刪減預算的要達到通商的數字是立法院談好之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1345.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1357.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
請大家回去刪 而不是用表決的方式你們連來這邊提供意見的人也不來 蘇貞營你們有來嗎 但是你們的總召破壞整個草野協商怎麼談破壞都是你們破壞的啊你們就是民進黨負責任衝突 造謠 弄到後來提撫議題失陷外加一八百萬人民做了什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1366.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1381.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
你除了說衝突造謠之外還會做什麼就是一個衝突的行政院啊我剛剛跟你講我已經戳破了一個謊言你是說你很理性的在質詢完全不是啦我們很理性的來看沒有完全不是啦我幫你找了解方2002年685億都可以自行調整為什麼636億沒辦法調整 |
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1387.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1404.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那是兩院談好之後回去自行調整為什麼張進雄行你這個郭榮泰不行那個是刪減稅入之後稅出一併同刪減回去自行調整不是現在這個狀況一個自行調整第二個要刪減不要這樣子你現在是對著前面講話你太不了解狀況了這個數據這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1417.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1434.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
2002年請暫停請暫停我時間非常有限讓我講完因為你錯誤的國籍我必須要讓你不要錯下去啊你可以回答你可以回答你們每天在那邊開記者會很多時間第一個2002年清清楚楚對不對第一個自行調整第二個685億我現在要跟全民講 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1438.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1466.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
張進雄行 為什麼卓文快不行因為稅務調整 稅數並同調整你是無能還是無賴的一個行政院長你剛講說找解方我今天把解方都給你了不是解方啊動解 動解解方三解 你有三解的解方因為稅務調整 稅數並同調整跟這次不一樣這次是要我們回去把自己砍掉好 636億你已經提的不一樣了來 你以後繼續會被拆穿謊言了你會打得更腫來 我來問一下因為最近電的事情很重要 我跟你談電的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1469.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1494.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
大家最關心可能這幾天電價審議委員要開了可能4月1號愚人節要漲電價可能是9%如果本席今天很清楚幫你找到三個解方可以找到錢你可以不要漲電價嗎請委員先講你的好方法來第一個我最近去一些工業區還有很多企業組來陳情說買不到綠電 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1499.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1521.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
買不到綠電這裡面啊不只是瀆職可能還有土綠的這個問題本來如果你電綠電他買的到他的競爭力是會增加的啊對不對 碳錢的這個碳稅的這個問題嘛結果來我先問問院長院長你知道我們一年台電買了多少電還有自己發電加起來綠電有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1523.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1550.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我們多能綠電的發展還在發展當中目前我們台電有多少的綠電台電買多少的綠電我不要為難你們三百億度然後更讓人家傷心也更加憤怒的台電已經買了那麼多的綠電現在企業都來講從小企業總都來講說買不到你知道三百億度電一年賣出去多少賣幾趴 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1554.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1563.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
報告委員我們現在所以我上一次你在質詢的時候講說我的台製電為什麼這個讓這個中鋼啊誰啊他們來投資他一定虧損 |
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1568.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1590.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
我們成立台自電的目的就是幫助您剛才所說的這些中小微企業如果他需要綠電的時候我們把這個綠電給他台電本身的綠電是售給大型的客戶我保證他20年購買但是中小微的企業他沒有辦法持續買20年 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1591.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1618.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
部長你講這個管道我贊成你講這個管道我贊成可是你知道嗎你們現在開始台電也在賣RE30啦現在最嚴重是什麼買不到電你有300億度電結果我跟大家講台積電一年賣出去的力電不到10%這造成什麼企業買不到電產業受到影響第二個台電嚴重虧損 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1619.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1647.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你光是用最近RE30你賣的電費我去跟你講給你看一下現在的RE30裡面有百分之三十綠電這個你一度電是多少?六塊三三百億度電大家乘以下可以多賺五百四十八億耶結果你把那個百分你是賣的百分之十百分之九十都沒賣出去台電就有嚴重虧損然後再回過頭來漲人民的電價所以第一個企業輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1649.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1660.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
台電輸人民又輸院長你不要搖頭你現在已經開始在賣RE30對不對我現在明確的要求你趕快把綠電賣多一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1663.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1688.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我剛算過了,你只要把它賣出去,至少一年增加548億根本就不用攘電價,不用我們一直在發布而且這是部長跟院長,這是你們該做的我跟你講,我剛講賣出去就三贏,沒有的話就三輸而且這裡面老講,不只是肚子的問題你現在能源署的署長最近被彈劾了不只是肚子的問題,這邊圖利廠商因為你一直沒賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1690.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1696.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
一堆綠電業者,包括銀爆跟民進黨不要有關係的,賺著保保的人民一直被賞電價,排電虧損民進黨比較親近的某些綠能業者,賺保保 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1705.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1722.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
委員因為他們被彈劾並不是因為他的清白問題而是他工作的效率問題被彈劾所以我請你說這個我的同仁還沒有被真正的確定之前請你不要跟他講說他清白問題部長我現在跟你講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1725.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1744.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
業者買不到電 結果你竟然90%都沒賣出去你要去趕快解決這問題這個部分我會檢討不只檢討 這個數字要非常快這是人民營 排電營沒有需求沒有那個需求 所以才賣不出去如果有需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1747.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1767.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
每個人都要買要不然你現在推RE30做什麼RE30是從現在才開始需要有這個綠電的需求之前我們是供應他他還沒有被歐洲的客人有這個需求的時候他當然不會買啊有需求我們是先供應的我今天讓全民知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1772.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1785.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
當很多企業在買不到電的時候我們台電竟然每一年賣出去的電的綠電不到10%造成了台電自己嚴重的虧損企業買不到電所以第一個我今天明確要求這樣會造成誤會啊真的是誤會啊過去沒有這個需求你說我們賣不出去企業企業怎麼會沒有綠電的需求呢不是啦 |
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1797.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1820.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
7月現在要外銷現在國外的業者都被退休大的廠商都被退休第二個問你一件事情這個第二個是馬上可以做的至少可以成交400億的最近啊離岸豐電的很多進度都落後了依照你們簽的約光是一個引能豐廠啊經濟部應該罰他罰款最大的失敗為什麼沒有罰這個進度到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1827.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1851.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
你為什麼急著要漲人民幣的電價?為什麼急著要一千億波普?這四百億,你是在圖利廠商嗎?還是你們獨執?這四百億大家要辦法?我們不會圖利廠商我們不會圖利廠商那如果有,您認為他是有問題你給個時間,在電價審議委員會之前這件事情要處理四百億進來就沒有漲電價的事情另外一個,核電的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1853.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1877.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
核電最近很多國家都非常你看連德國開始說要開用核能的嫌擠大勝連西班牙現在都說要用了每日更是一樣所以我要求核二跟核三我算了一下你只要讓核二核三可以用一年也增加了588億所以你看這整個算下來一千多億啊你只要這個三大解方好好用不要漲電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1882.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1908.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
市長你連這個都不知道我們核二端的事件都已經在那邊了我們也要提出件,為了要處理核廢料問題核二端的事件,我們院長不曉得我們核端基金嗎為什麼你會連核二端的核廢料處理都不知道事件都已經寫在那裡了,這個不是問題核二端好 |
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1916.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1928.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
好 謝謝謝謝張委員再看一下我眼睛張其根委員再看一下我眼睛謝謝你了啊張委員再看一下我眼睛再看一下謝謝你的質詢謝謝卓院長跟相關首長的背景謝謝 |