| IVOD_ID |
158970 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158970 |
| 日期 |
2025-02-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-02-25T14:47:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-02-25T15:18:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7410aefb2dded674a67bf137db85ab7db12e281e566aaf68a06edb20ea299d8c7082a9d1d9fc83395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:47:20 - 15:18:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-02-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議（事由：行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢。） |
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院長辛苦了,我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長,早上聽你冗長的施政報告大概破紀錄了這個第一次有秦政院長到立法院報告的一個小時本席早上一直等著要總質詢 |
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終於讓你順利的把我延到下午來請教一下這兩天全國國人萬眾矚目對於現在整個血汗工廠我們醫護的整體的工作環境兩個月七百多名醫護離開工作崗位因為不堪沉重的負荷 |
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所以去年在立法院三讀通過主決議整個醫療點值要提升到0.95元通過了以後果然行政院拒不執行延宕了兩個多月到最後才簽署了今年要來執行我們已經告訴院長 |
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醫護人員是守護2300萬人的健康而現在血汗工廠從來沒有停過從去年0.95元健保點值一直到今年現在院長我們的醫護人員行政院做了什麼 |
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很謝謝委員早上我是用了比較多的時間向各位委員先進報告過去一年來大家一起努力的成果院長請教對醫護人員做了什麼請回答本期的問題那我們在今年在去年底我們已經核定了將所有台灣各區的健保點值無論它在什麼樣的點值的比算數字底下我們都把它提升到至少0.9 |
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那我們也用了一百二十二億的經費來提升什麼時候到零點九五照大院當時的決議是在今年要努力的目標不是努力的目標 要完成不是努力的目標衛福部也一直把它當作一個目標在執行為期一年內到今年七月十六號 |
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要完成0.95本院的決議本席非常清楚貴黨的總召柯建民也有簽字院會正式宣讀通過民進黨通通都有簽字不要忘記卓院長在行政院你邀請我去本席去了你也簽字了到今年7月16號以前要達到每一個點子0.95元你必須要完成 |
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這是對國人的承諾另外到0.95的時候還要注意什麼事情?不知道當初的協議嗎?0.95年我們行政院還要注意什麼事情?當初還有很多協議我們那一天在行政院談的還有很多協議沒有關係 院長如果不知不覺本席再一次正告你 |
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健保點資料0.95元是給醫護人員不是給醫院來賺錢所以你們的配套要去盯醫護人員的待遇有沒有提升輪班制度有沒有合理 |
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這個還不到0.95的這個標準之前我們一直希望所有的對健保的協助都要大部分具體發用在醫護人員身上這是我們這樣的政策所以院長你說我們還沒有到0.95元你們就已經做了那為什麼這麼多的離職潮表示政府失能也失靈本席再來請教一下 |
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病患到處轉診急診爆炸醫護人員不堪血汗離職好請問一下林靜怡衛福部的次長表示 |
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對於基層醫療人員希望他伸出援手解決這個問題他的回答所以你的小腦袋裡政府按一個鈕就可以完全改變嗎今天早上在說他要深知檢討檢討什麼對於來歷不明的這樣的一個嘲諷他不應該貿然的去回應 |
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這是一個政府政務官該有的態度嗎院長 李靖渝是誰派他當衛福部的次長政務官基本的態度早上是誰派你告訴本席是誰派的行政院的政務人員都是院長來指派是您派的還是是邱部長派的是我找的你找的邱部長的專業能力怎麼樣當然邱部長是同意這個人事的 |
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邱部長專業能力怎麼樣專業能力 專業能力他一是出身 又專業能力那既然他沒有問題你給他的左膀右背是零應急 零進移這樣的一個毫無血性 |
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毫無關懷醫者父母心用這樣的心情來對待醫護人員這就是你派人的政府官這是酬庸還是你對邱部長他的執行能力有問題所以你要派這個人去監視他 |
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還是給你回報是嗎邏輯不能這麼套林靜儀市長也是一位醫師也曾經是貴院的委員跟也有同事的經驗林靜儀早上已經公開表示他會檢討自己的言行我也公開要求政務人員必須要謹言慎行這個就是賴政府叫做公開檢討自己的言行 |
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一點對基層的百姓的民間疾苦完全不了解這就是權力浩漫這就是權力浩漫這就是權力浩漫委員不用這麼動氣我們在討論的是一個人2300萬人的街卡我怎麼能不動氣不用動氣不用動氣我告訴你這就是冷血委員的指控啊這就是你的委員的指控無能內閣我也希望委員啊來下一題能夠謹言慎行下一題 |
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來國人留不住 外客也不來去年觀光逆差900萬人次逆差消費的金額7000億元請問一下 院長台灣是不是寶島 |
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還有我們努力 情況之下它會是一個非常好的地方但是內部我們一定要攜手合作沒有關係嘛 觀光 本席只是問你觀光你不要動不動就在想政治嘛問你台灣是不是一個美麗的地方你就想到哪裡去了你天天都在想政治嗎我想到花蓮的天牆就是很漂亮好 謝謝感謝你為花蓮行銷本席再來看一下再來這裡看一下亞洲的觀光 |
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台灣 韓國 越南 新加坡 馬來西亞 日本 泰國 香港倒數最後一名就是台灣去年的外客785萬這就是您的成績單院長這就是您的成績單所以啊主計總署啊在天方夜譚啊說現在啊平均薪資啊大家領到六萬塊 |
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我實在不相信說台灣的平均薪資有六萬塊本席問一下你們觀光做了什麼 |
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來來來 院長部長告訴大家你們官方行銷了什麼向您報告您說去年是785萬 786萬這個沒有錯但是比前一年增加了140萬人你就看全亞洲嘛人家也在上去嘛上去的幅度也比你快嘛所以就是用這樣的部長一點都不專業對不對最後一名還在比你可以回去了 |
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請回座委員你要讓我們部長講完話你再來跟他對話本席時間沒有像你這麼多本席主告訴你一個事情連香港我們最近的地方2月20號香港的觀光博覽會我們的交通部不知不覺這麼高檔的這些消費的課程 |
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香港旅遊博覽會在香港最大的會展中心舉行結果啊 300多個展位亞洲主要國家全部都到了東京 福岡什麼大家都去了 加誇大 新加坡只有台灣沒有去台灣委屈去了一個叫做台灣委屈去了一個自己報名去的叫花蓮縣去擺了8個展位 |
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讓香港市民認識台灣有個地方叫美麗的花蓮因為現在香港跟花蓮我們去推動直航也順利成功邱部長謝謝你這次去香港聽說你也聯繫說陸委會要協助謝謝你們陸委會的人員也有全程陪同謝謝你們好不好你先回座本席是告訴你 |
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左內閣你這個內閣有多麼的麻木不仁連距離我們最近的香港竟然舉辦這麼重大的觀光博覽會我們沒有參加所以啊 |
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官官是百公百業啊百公百業啊都在那裡啊結果我們竟然沒有參加所以我們現在主計總署說人均GDP有6萬塊真的是嚇破大牙人均GDP有6萬塊主計總署宣布的 |
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這個跟人民是平行時空啊平行時空啊真的不食人間煙火七成的人民無感七成的人民無感為什麼平均六萬塊這是台灣的IT產業創造的奇蹟才有這個平均值啊 |
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公共服務業包括分店包括餐飲包括所有的這些產業都是最主要的就業大宗最多的人口都在服務業 |
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所以我們會協助中小企業轉型把服務業的薪資往上提升得到什麼樣的收入你還得平均收入六萬塊薪資六萬塊這就是所謂的平均兩個字所以嘛七成的人無感嘛 |
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為什麼青城人無感就是卓內合作的大家無感嗎這個數字從過去幾十年來都是這樣在計算的所以你就說你跟過去一樣擺爛八年一樣擺爛就繼續爛下去就可以了是嗎你也認為過去都在擺爛嗎長期計算都在擺爛嗎你的心理想法就是這樣來我們看一下為什麼IT產業能夠成為 |
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這個台灣啊 護國神山啊能夠讓台灣所得平均薪資GDP能夠這麼高的一個數字現在川普進行全世界的貿易大戰關稅壁壘大戰我們的護國神山都快要被人家搬走了請問一下左院長我們的護國神山 |
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我們一年的產值金台積電一年一兆八千六百多億台幣這是真的保護台灣的戲盾各位院長院長台積電跟世界的經貿大戰川普大帝現在已經世界經貿大戰 |
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你們還在活在國內大罷免鬥爭的那個時代裡面你們不只是封建啊 權力的傲慢啊已經忘了近時近日 我們身處的世界發生了什麼事情請問一下 我們為台積電做了什麼所以我早上冗長的說明 你一句都沒有聽進去嘛你每一次的說明 北京都沒有看到你有做到嘛所以北京在這裡親自來請教你 好不好 |
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親自來請教你不用你再念又一個小時不要浪費國人的時間請你簡單告訴大家北京給你時間簡單告訴大家30秒1分鐘隨便你講我們有台美經貿工作小組您知道嗎 |
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我們有經濟外交工作小組你們知道嗎?台美經貿工作小組針對台美現在的經貿問題吃了美豬就有FTA吃了美豬就有TPCPP所有你們講的CPTPP你們講的沒有一件做到早上我一句都沒有講這個 |
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這是民進黨政權八年來講的事情民進黨八年來講的事情還要講什麼台美好啦 你說台美有金馬奧對好 可以本席啊 就看你們還能夠騙到什麼時間本席只是請教你全國國人都在關心 |
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同在這個議場裡面你不能用這種我就看好戲的方式這是國家要團結一致的時候你說我們本席就看我們要一致團結我們要一致團結你要了解早上我的報告 |
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你要了解早上我的報告你要聽永長的報告你不聽你現在要說明你今天的態度是你早上報一個小時在場都不要所有立委都不要質詢了是吧回去看你的一小時錄影帶是嗎大家都不要來質詢了是不是什麼態度嘛就是很詳細負責任的跟大家報告你講一個小時所有立委都不要問了大家回去看錄影帶你現在也講半個小時啊 |
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951.307 |
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這是本席的時間啊 早上是我的時間啊你的時間講回家 換本席問你啊我早上講過的 注意聽就不需要問好 時間暫停哪裡可以這樣子啊本席請你回答問題 還叫我回去看你的光碟 什麼態度啊你說我早上的廣場報告可以這樣子嗎因為大家本席的問題有這麼困難嗎 |
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974.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1001.69 |
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不難啊 你早上安安就不難啊所以你驚慌的沒有辦法回答是嗎你早上中午時間不難啊 回答問題有如此困難嗎副委員時間暫停好嗎 院長時間暫停容許本席提醒一下我們基於我們立法院的質詢要採用請所有的委員跟官員之間彼此尊重那也請官員不用急著搶答那我們質詢繼續請據實回答 回答哪一件 |
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1003.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1020.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
台積電你要怎麼守護他現在還包括有可能川普要科百分之百的晶圓關稅百分之百我們非常重視民進黨政府怎麼面對這個問題但是我們分析的結果台積電做代工但科稅 |
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1020.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1047.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
是要針對這種製造業的廠商所以它不一定會遭受到任何很大的傷害但是我們認為一絲絲的波動政府都要非常的精神跟緊密所以我們跟各個廠商業者都進行了多次的談話所以我們認為影響是在於所以你的結論這位民進黨政府的研判是不問我什麼問題沒有這個結論本席告訴你沒有這個結論本席告訴你 |
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1050.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1060.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
全世界的IT agreement已經完全打破了我現在告訴你請你睡醒我們在因應這個情勢全台灣人我們在因應這個情勢對於護國神山台積電這個戲盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1071.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1084.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
84%的人認同他是台灣的護國神山也是84%的人反對台積電成為美積電本席在這裡鄭重的希望卓院長趕快睡醒趕快睜開眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1085.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1098.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
才會面對全世界的變局我們希望台積電一直保持在國際上領先的地位而且它的重心一定是放在台灣1974年二月決定發展集體電路IC技術1974年在一個豆漿店孫益全院長帶著這些台灣的精英決定了集體電路 |
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1113.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1136.536 |
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我們決定要朝這個方向進行到1985年我們最後決定做專業的晶圓代工而不是從上游到下游從IC設計一路到生產代工全部來做這個決定影響了台灣徹徹底底的成為世界的晶圓代工的霸主 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1137.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1153.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
而沒有整個資源投入下去做一條龍所以全世界會分工讓我們做其中一個還錢的代工能夠壯大就是這個原因來的所以你都知道你剛剛說的認為影響不大認為影響不大我沒有認為影響不大委員不要斷章取義請你回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1165.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1190.904 |
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再看一下你今天對我的取義不要斷章取義反正台灣政府你本來就應該要負責當時李國鼎經濟部長李國鼎去說服了余國華院長在台積電成立的時候不只招募外資台灣的企業投資政府出資48%1987年成立的台積電 |
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1194.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1220.146 |
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所以本席現在要隆重的告訴卓院長這是台灣的護國神山國民黨政府創立了台積電民進黨政府不要出賣了台積電本席隆重的告訴你就是這樣大家拭目以待看民進黨政府怎麼面對川普大帝再過來 好 |
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1221.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1250.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
中央政府到現在到底會不會試算每一年到底國家的稅收是多少連續四年超收一兆八千七百多億超收了不起超收一兆八千七百多億連續四年連估算國家的稅收是多少都估不出來 |
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1251.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1277.592 |
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這就是民進黨的政權本席想了很久啊國內的經濟脈動國內的財政發展竟然民進黨政府茫然不知所以每一年都有巨額的估算錯誤所以才會有一兆八千七百多億的超增而且中間只拿了五千三百億去還債只有拿了五千三百億去還債 |
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1279.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1298.722 |
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本席啊 照昨天晚上頓悟啊原來啊 原來啊 估錯是有原因的喔估錯的原因啊 是因為啊這些啊 稅客收入25%啊照舊制的統籌分配款的分配25%要給地方政府 |
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1299.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1316.384 |
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所以你這些錢沒有估算到就不用給地方政府這四年來不得了一級的國家一兆數委員你算錯了一兆八千你算錯了委員我提醒你算錯了不要繼續往下算請部長算給你聽 |
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1317.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1337.529 |
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沒有關係啦算錯了嘛好來部長說沒有關係跟委員說明對於中央統籌分配稅款我們在預算的時候會先算給12個月但是如果時增數超過預算數這個時增數超過的部分依然會給地方政府不會留在中央所以你超生現在4676億這四年超生476億四年超生一兆8700多億 |
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1343.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1371.177 |
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然後呢 百分之二十五是四千六百七十六億會給地方政府是嗎會按照我們的專家統籌分配稅款的公式好 本席請你提供資料給本席沒有問題本席很高興聽到這樣 因為沒有關係接下來最會復議的行政院長一天到晚只知道復議的行政院長對於總預算對於財務法都要提復議本席一定會等到你請你資料今天下午提供給本席 |
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1371.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1384.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
因為從早上就追財政部追主席總書資料都不給我們沒有關係所以現在本期公開在這裡要求你們資料趕快給我好 再過來我們超徵這麼多錢要不要還稅移民院長要不要還稅移民 |
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1390.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1418.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
時增數超過預算數之後我們除了身家還得超過預算數我們還減少舉債這個都要算在內減少舉債可以算在內本行沒有不同意我們用特別條例特別預算的方式可以用在人民所需要的地方我們過去也有發消費券也有發現金的例子這都是其中的一項但不要把它固定到只能怎麼用那對政府的財政彈性是沒有辦法去因應的 |
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1420.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1443.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
永久居民四萬台幣香港兩萬一千台幣新加坡家戶一萬九千台幣南韓一萬七到七千台幣美國每戶五千塊美金十六萬三千台幣還稅於民所以本期在這裡強力建議我們去年超收五千兩百八十三億 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1447.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1475.034 |
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是不是全民普發一萬塊還稅一名可以嗎跟委員說明喔不是 北席問的問題是還稅一名一人一萬塊普發院長同不同意我們時增數超過預算數之後我們可以用來增加還本 減少舉債那依照預算法跟公債務法我們還有想要的規矩2022年民進黨立委也喊過要普發一萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1477.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1497.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
記得所有的國家都能做我們到底能不能做來 本席大家請教一個請問院長去年教育部體育署113年度的最初的法定數是54億1511萬今年我們通過的法定數是多少我們今年編給未來的運動部將近有170億左右我記得 |
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1507.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1524.003 |
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體育署我們今年通過是多少錢回答一下嘛你們不是準備複製的嗎你們數字都不曉得就準備複製嗎我們數字當然知道啊那請告訴本席我們今年原計預算我們原來希望能夠增加到200億以上 |
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1528.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1540.709 |
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不是 你們提出來是 你們也不要這麼碰瘋嘛 你們提出來是72億多嘛 74億多嘛 你們提出來是74億多嘛你們提出來是 72億提出來是74億多嘛所以是多少 部長74億是一半的 另外還有一半基金的方式 基金還沒通過 |
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1552.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1576.39 |
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還有體育署的方式還沒有通過體育署的部分是多少我說這是一半而已 我們還有一半在基金對 本席請教體育署就好 是多少大概一百六 七十億左右吧什麼亂講你們都講不出來 韓基金啊我說韓基金沒有關係沒有關係好 本席待會再問 其實是一半而已 剛剛跟委員說明了好 台灣人喔 台灣人喔 |
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1579.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1590.015 |
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過年七天被炸了16億台灣是詐騙橫行的地方一個禮拜警政署公布2500多件詐騙國內被炸了16億 |
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1593.43 |
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1614.709 |
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炸了16億國民黨負責任的要把這個詐騙要嚇阻我們會提出在本會期優先法案民生法案會除了上去年給法務部的打炸事法以外我們今年還會再次提高所有這個打炸的行動在台灣最終是7年以下 |
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1615.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1636.502 |
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日本最重10年以下 韓國13年以下 美國30年以下 新加坡17年以下台灣只要是車手什麼東西都是緩刑 也不用關所以造成今天這個詐騙已經真的是國家隊了本席在這裡要隆重告訴院長我們中華民國台灣的球隊到哪裡打球 我們都希望他贏 |
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1645.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1660.462 |
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但是呢 我們看一下齁 經典賽輸球是因為藍白三預算齁這個不得了啊 這已經是詐騙國家隊聽台灣現在是詐騙的標誌啊詐騙國家隊 本席讓你看清楚齁 睜開眼睛看清楚 |
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1662.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1674.927 |
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113年度體育署總共用了54億多114年我們核准通過的72億多還有在基金的部分多了18億基金也多每一個都多你們還說我們3億算 |
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1677.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1703.734 |
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哇 每天每一個都出來哭我們告訴你 來賴總統怎麼講的說好的草野和諧賴總統怎麼跟你講的你不是天天都見面嗎賴清德不是說好的嗎叛草野和諧 國家大步向前哇 你們這個是一個白臉一個黑臉到現在為止所有民進黨立委出來詐騙部會首長說沒有錢沒有錢我們前年 |
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1705.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1709.887 |
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前一陣子齁,我們自己人說的啦,九年給你八十塊,有的有的罷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1712.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1740.718 |
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今年給你一百塊啊 你們大家在煩惱啦今天給你百二塊啦你說沒錢要有錢做啦 大家在騙齁這詐騙國家隊到處騙 好 結果現在2025都領到了你們詐騙 租屋補助沒有了育兒津貼沒有了 士管育兒補助沒有了高中執事立法學補助沒有了老人廠長沒有 軍工大學討薪沒有了對不起 通通都有這就是詐騙國家隊這本席在告訴你齁 |
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1743.027 |
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1764.943 |
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蘇安安我們不了解這個詐騙國家隊我要請教一下卓院長你看一下你自己的成績蘇和凱所有的地質鑽探調查全部完成行政院99年2月8號核定可情形研究99年2月8號核定100年1月29號動工11個月動工 |
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1770.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1789.388 |
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蘇華安所有地質水溫調查全部都早就同樣一個路廊全部調查過了新電電108年12月20號核定到現在5年了蘇華改國民黨政府11個月動工可行研究評估核定你現在核定5年最可笑的是 |
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1791.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1819.137 |
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從公路總局到交通部到國發會通通審議完畢聽說現在院長審議中我不曉得你是比交通部還專業還是還是比國發會還專業比公路總局還專業在你桌上躺了三個月院長你親自審核本席真的覺得非常的榮耀但是本席提醒你詐騙國家隊不要長年的詐騙國民黨政府從核定 |
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1825.233 |
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委員你一路用這種情緒性的謾罵我實在沒有辦法合理的跟你做 |
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1839.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1844.919 |
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你覺得你今天有任何的委屈請你發正式的公文給我來告訴本席這一張有哪裡錯誤請你發文正式告訴最後本席提醒一下 |
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1855.623 |
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1869.334 |
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菩薩為英 眾生為國賴皇推動大罷免 孝祥拉下韓國瑜編導黎王換太子 浴火而冠柯建民想要柯建民當院長 慢慢想啦 沒可能的事情啦 |
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傅委員崐萁：卓院長，早上聽你冗長的施政報告，大概破紀錄了，第一次有行政院長到立法院報告一個小時，本席早上一直等著要總質詢，終於讓你順利的把我延到下午。 |
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請教一下，這兩天全國國人萬眾矚目，對於現在整個血汗工廠，我們醫護的整體工作環境，兩個月有七百多名醫護離開工作崗位，因為不堪沉重的負荷。所以去年在立法院三讀通過主決議，整個醫療點值要提升到0.95元，通過了以後，果然行政院拒不執行，延宕了兩個多月，到最後才簽署了今年要來執行。我們已經告訴院長，醫護人員是守護2,300萬人的健康，而現在血汗工廠從來沒有停過，從去年說要提升健保點值至0.95元一直到今年，請問院長，針對我們的醫護人員，行政院做了什麼？ |
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卓院長榮泰：很謝謝委員，早上我是用了比較多的時間向各位委員先進報告過去一年來大家一起努力的成果…… |
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傅委員崐萁：院長，我請教對於醫護人員做了什麼？請回答本席的問題。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們在去年底已經核定了將臺灣各區所有的健保點值，無論是在什麼樣的點值比算數字底下，我們都把它提升到至少0.9，我們也用了122億的經費來提升…… |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼時候到0.95？ |
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卓院長榮泰：照大院當時的決議是在今年要努力的目標…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不是努力的目標，要完成，不是努力的目標。 |
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卓院長榮泰：衛福部也一直把它當作一個目標在執行。 |
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傅委員崐萁：為期1年內，到今年7月16號要完成0.95。本院的決議本席非常清楚，貴黨的總召柯建銘也有簽字，院會正式宣讀通過，民進黨（黨團幹部）統統都有簽字。不要忘記，卓院長，在行政院，你邀請我去，本席去了，你也簽字了，到今年7月16號以前要達到每一個點值0.95元，你必須要完成，這是對國人的承諾。 |
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另外，到0.95的時候還要注意什麼事情？不知道？不知道？ |
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卓院長榮泰：你是說當初的協議嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：0.95元…… |
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卓院長榮泰：當初有三…… |
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傅委員崐萁：行政院還要注意什麼事情？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當初還有很多協議，我們那天在行政院談的還有很多協議要談。 |
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傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，院長如果不知不覺，本席再一次正告你，健保點值到0.95元是給醫護人員，不是給醫院來賺錢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們一直主張這樣子。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你們的配套要去盯醫護人員的待遇有沒有提升、輪班制度有沒有合理，院長，馬上…… |
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卓院長榮泰：還不到0.95的標準之前，我們也是希望所有對健保的協助都要大部分具體花用在醫護人員身上，這是我們一向的政策。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以院長，你說我們還沒有到0.95元，你們就已經做了，那為什麼這麼多的離職潮？表示政府失能也失靈。 |
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本席再來請教一下，病患到處轉診，急診爆炸，醫護人員不堪血汗而離職。請問一下，衛福部的次長林靜儀表示，對基層醫療人員希望他伸出援手、解決這個問題，他的回答是：「所以你的小腦袋裡，政府按一個鈕事情就會完全改變了嗎？」今天早上再說他要深自檢討，檢討什麼？對於來歷不明的嘲諷，他不應該貿然地去回應。這是一個政府政務官該有的態度嗎？院長，是誰派林靜儀當衛福部的次長？ |
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卓院長榮泰：政務官基本的態度，早上…… |
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傅委員崐萁：是誰派……告訴本席，是誰派的？ |
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卓院長榮泰：行政院的政務人員…… |
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傅委員崐萁：是你派的嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：都是院長來指派。 |
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傅委員崐萁：是您派的，還是邱部長派的？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是我找的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，你找的。邱部長的專業能力怎麼樣？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然，邱部長是同意這個人事的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：邱部長專業能力怎麼樣？ |
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卓院長榮泰：專業能力，他是醫師出身，又掌理…… |
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傅委員崐萁：既然他沒有問題，你給他的左膀右臂是林靜儀這樣一個毫無血性、毫無關懷的醫者父母心，用這樣的心情來對待醫護人員，這就是你派任的政務官。這個是酬庸？還是你對邱部長的執行能力認為有問題，所以要派這個人去監視他、給你回報，是嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，你的邏輯不能這麼套，林靜儀次長也是一位醫師…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，本席只問你一句，最後本席問你一件事情…… |
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卓院長榮泰：也曾任貴院的委員，跟你也有同事的經驗…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席只問你一件事情，林靜儀還能不能用？ |
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卓院長榮泰：林靜儀早上已經公開表示他會檢討自己的言行，我也公開要求政務人員必須要謹言慎行。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這個就是賴政府叫做公開檢討自己的言行，一點對基層百姓的民間疾苦完全不瞭解，這就是權力的傲慢！這就是權力的傲慢！ |
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卓院長榮泰：檢討當然包括反省、包括道歉都是算檢討。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這就是權力的傲慢！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員不用這麼動氣…… |
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傅委員崐萁：權力的傲慢！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們討論的是一個人…… |
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傅委員崐萁：2,300萬人的健康，我怎麼能不動氣？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不用動氣、不用動氣，我們在討論的是一個曾經你的同事…… |
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傅委員崐萁：我告訴你，這就是冷血！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員的指控，委員的指控…… |
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傅委員崐萁：這就是你的無能內閣！來，下一題！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我也希望委員能夠謹言慎行。 |
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傅委員崐萁：下一題。國人留不住，外客也不來。去年觀光逆差900萬人次，逆差消費的金額達到7,000億元！請問一下，院長，臺灣是不是寶島？ |
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卓院長榮泰：臺灣在我們努力的情況之下，它會是一個非常好的地方，但是內部我們一定要攜手合作。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，沒有關係，本席只問你觀光，你不要動不動就在想政治嘛！問你臺灣是不是一個美麗的地方，你就想到哪裡去了？你天天都在想政治嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我想到花蓮的天祥，就是很漂亮！ |
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傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝，感謝你為花蓮行銷！ |
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再來看一下亞洲的觀光，有臺灣、韓國、越南、新加坡、馬來西亞、日本、泰國、香港等等，倒數最後一名就是臺灣，去年的外客才785萬，這就是您的成績單！院長，這就是您的成績單！所以主計總處在天方夜譚啊！說現在的平均薪資大家領到了6萬塊，我實在不相信臺灣的平均薪資有6萬塊。 |
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本席問一下，你們在觀光上做了什麼？來！來！來！請院長、部長告訴大家，你們在觀光行銷上做了什麼？ |
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陳部長世凱：向委員報告，您說去年是785萬、786萬人，這個沒有錯，但是這比前一年增加了140萬人…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你就看全亞洲嘛！人家也在增加上去，但增加上去的幅度也比你快嘛！ |
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陳部長世凱：您剛剛說的…… |
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傅委員崐萁：所以就是用這樣的部長，一點都不專業！對不對？ |
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陳部長世凱：您剛剛說觀光呈現逆差，韓國的逆差是1,200萬，比我們還要多…… |
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傅委員崐萁：最後一名，卻還在比！好！好！你可以回去了！你可以回去了！請回座！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，你要讓我們部長講完話，你再來跟他對話，現在這樣沒有辦法做政策的討論啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：本席時間沒有像你這麼多！我告訴你一個事情，連香港，距離我們最近的地方，2月20號香港辦了觀光博覽會，我們的交通部是不知不覺啊！這麼高檔的消費客層，香港旅遊博覽會在香港最大的會展中心舉行，當中有三百多個展位，亞洲主要國家全部都到了，東京、福岡、雅加達、新加坡等等，大家都去了，只有臺灣沒有去！只有臺灣沒有去！臺灣唯一去的，是自己報名去的，叫花蓮縣！它去擺了8個展位，讓香港市民認識臺灣有個地方叫美麗的花蓮，因為現在香港跟花蓮之間，我們在推動直航，也順利成功了。邱主委，謝謝你，這一次去香港，聽說你也聯繫了，陸委會有提供協助，謝謝你們，陸委會的人員也有全程陪同，謝謝你們，好，你先回座。 |
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本席是要告訴卓內閣，你這個內閣有多麼的麻木不仁，連距離我們最近的香港，舉辦這麼重大的觀光博覽會，我們竟然沒有參加！所以觀光是百工百業…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們是有得到訊息的，我們不是麻木不仁的！ |
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傅委員崐萁：百工百業都在那裡啊！結果我們竟然沒有參加！ |
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卓院長榮泰：若是麻木不仁，陸委會就不會對委員做出那樣的協助！ |
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傅委員崐萁：所以我們現在主計總處說人均GDP有6萬塊，真的是讓人笑掉大牙！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們沒有說人均GDP有6萬塊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：人均GDP有6萬塊，是主計總處宣布的，這跟人民是處於平行時空啊！真的是不食人間煙火啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們如果麻木不仁，就不會為委員做那麼多的協助吧！ |
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傅委員崐萁：七成的人民無感！卓院長，七成人民無感，為什麼人均有6萬塊？這是臺灣IT產業創造的奇蹟，才有這個平均值啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是國際統計方式的一致性！這是我們在計算統計方式的一致性！ |
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傅委員崐萁：觀光服務業，包括飯店、包括餐飲、包括所有的這些產業，都是最主要的就業大宗，最多的人口都在服務業，院長…… |
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卓院長榮泰：所以我們會協助中小企業轉型，把服務業的薪資往上提升。 |
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傅委員崐萁：院長，大家得到了什麼樣的收入？你還說平均收入有6萬塊、薪資有6萬塊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這就是所謂的「平均」兩個字！ |
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傅委員崐萁：所以七成的人無感，為什麼七成的人無感？就是卓內閣做得讓大家無感嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個數字從過去幾十年來都是這樣在計算的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你就是說你跟過去一樣擺爛，8年都一樣擺爛，繼續爛下去就可以了，是嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：你也認為過去都是在擺爛嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝。 |
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卓院長榮泰：長期執政都在擺爛嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：我終於了解你心裡想的就是這樣。我們看一下，為什麼IT產業能夠成為臺灣的護國神山、能夠讓臺灣的平均薪資所得、GDP達到這麼高的數字？現在川普進行全世界的貿易大戰、關稅壁壘大戰，我們的護國神山都快要被人家搬走了，請問一下卓院長，我們的護國神山台積電一年的產值達一兆八千六百多億臺幣，這是真的保護臺灣的矽盾啊！各位、院長，台積電面臨世界的經貿大戰，川普大帝現在已經在進行世界經貿大戰，你們還活在國內大罷免鬥爭的時代裡面，你們不只是封建，而且是權力的傲慢啊！已經忘了今時今日我們身處的世界發生了什麼事情，請問一下，我們為台積電做了什麼？ |
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卓院長榮泰：所以我早上冗長的說明，你一句都沒有聽進去嘛！ |
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傅委員崐萁：你每一次的說明，本席都沒有看到你有做到嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：你都沒有聽進去啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：所以本席在這裡親自來請教你，好不好？我親自來請教你。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那容許我把早上的報告再唸一次給你聽…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不用，你再唸又要花1個小時，不要浪費國人的時間。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我早上報告的內容都有…… |
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傅委員崐萁：請你簡單的告訴大家，本席給你時間，簡單的告訴大家，看要講30秒或1分鐘，隨便你講。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們有臺美經貿工作小組，您知道嗎？我們有經濟外交工作小組，您知道嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：對啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：臺美經貿工作小組是針對臺美現在的晶圓貿易…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你們說吃了美豬就有FTA，吃了美豬就有CPTPP，所有你們講的，沒有一件做到。 |
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卓院長榮泰：早上我一句都沒有講這個。 |
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傅委員崐萁：像TIFA，這是民進黨政權8年來講的事情…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我早上一句都沒有講，這是你講的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這是民進黨8年來講的事情，還要講什麼臺美！好啦！你說有臺美經貿工作小組，好，可以，本席就看你們還能夠騙到什麼時間，本席只是請教你，全國國人都在關心我們台積電、我們的護國神山會不會…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，同在這個國家、同在這個議場裡面，你不能用這種「我就看好戲」的方式，這是國家要團結一致的時候。 |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼叫「看好戲」？本席是請你回答，你說什麼「看好戲」啊？什麼態度啊？ |
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卓院長榮泰：你說「本席就看」，我們要一致團結…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席是說要看你有如何的作為。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們要一致團結…… |
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傅委員崐萁：誰跟你沒有團結啊？ |
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卓院長榮泰：你要了解早上我的報告，你要聽，冗長的報告你不聽，你現在要我說明…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你今天的態度是你早上報告了1個小時，所有的立委都不要質詢了，是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不用再敲桌子。 |
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傅委員崐萁：只要回去看你那1小時的錄影帶，是嗎？大家都不要來質詢了，是不是？什麼態度嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：就是很詳細、負責任的跟大家報告。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你講了1個小時，所有的立委都不要問了，大家回去看錄影帶。 |
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卓院長榮泰：你現在也講半個小時啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：這是本席的時間啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：早上是我的時間啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：你的時間講完了，現在換本席問你啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我早上講過的，只要你有注意聽，就不需要問了。 |
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傅委員崐萁：就叫大家回去看你的光碟，是不是？ |
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主席：好，時間暫停。 |
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傅委員崐萁：哪裡可以這樣子啊？本席請你回答問題，還叫我回去看你的光碟，什麼態度啊！ |
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主席：時間暫停。 |
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卓院長榮泰：你說我早上的冗長報告，你一句都不聽，還說我們什麼都沒有做。 |
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傅委員崐萁：權力的傲慢，可以這樣子嗎？回答本席的問題有這麼困難嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不難啊！如果你早上有聽，就不難啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：不難？所以你驚慌得沒有辦法回答，是嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：你早上注意聽，就不難啦！ |
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傅委員崐萁：回答問題有如此困難嗎？ |
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主席：傅委員，時間暫停好嗎？院長，時間暫停。容許本席提醒一下。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請院長。 |
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主席：基於我們立法院的質詢，要請所有的委員跟官員之間彼此尊重，也請官員不用急著搶答，那我們質詢繼續。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請據實回答。 |
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卓院長榮泰：哪一件？ |
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傅委員崐萁：對台積電你要怎麼守護它？現在還包括川普有可能要對晶圓課百分之百的關稅。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們非常重視…… |
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傅委員崐萁：民進黨政府怎麼面對這個問題？ |
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卓院長榮泰：但是我們分析的結果，台積電是做代工，但課稅是要針對這種製造業的廠商，所以它不一定會遭受到任何很大的傷害，但是我們認為對一絲絲的波動政府都要非常的謹慎跟縝密，所以我們跟各個廠商、業者都進行了多次的談話，我們認為影響是在的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：卓院長，謝謝你。所以卓院長的結論是據民進黨政府的研判，不會有什麼問題…… |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有這個結論。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席告訴你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有這個結論！ |
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傅委員崐萁：本席告訴你，全世界的ITA、IT Agreement已經完全打破了，我現在告訴你，請你睡醒！請你睡醒！ |
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卓院長榮泰：所以我們在因應這個情勢，我們有臺美經貿工作小組，我們在因應這個情勢。 |
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傅委員崐萁：全臺灣人對於護國神山台積電這個矽盾，84%的人認同它是臺灣的護國神山，也是84%的人反對台積電成為「美」積電，本席在這裡鄭重的希望卓院長趕快睡醒，趕快睜開眼睛，趕快面對全世界的變局。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們希望台積電一直保持在國際上領先的地位，而且它的重心一定是放在臺灣。 |
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傅委員崐萁：我們來看一下台積電怎麼來的…… |
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卓院長榮泰：受到的衝擊不會小，但是政府跟產業界都有所因應。 |
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傅委員崐萁：1974年2月決定發展積體電路（IC）技術，1974年在一個豆漿店，孫運璿院長帶著這些臺灣菁英決定了積體電路，我們決定要朝這個方向進行，到1985年我們最後決定做專業的晶圓代工，而不是從上游到下游、從IC設計一路到生產代工全部來做，這個決定影響臺灣澈澈底底成為世界晶圓代工的霸主，而整個資源投入下去做一條龍，所以全世界會分工，讓我們做其中一個環節的代工能夠壯大就是這個原因來的…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我都知道科學園區，也肯定並感謝過去的努力，我們在一路向上，我們繼續學習跟進步。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你都知道，你剛剛說的認為影響不大，台積電是怎麼出生的…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我沒有認為影響不大，委員不要斷章取義，我沒有認為影響不大。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你剛剛說的，請你回去再看一下你今天對我的詢答。 |
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卓院長榮泰：請不要斷章取義，這是委員的專長，你不要斷章取義。 |
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傅委員崐萁：反正臺灣政府你本來就應該要負責。當時經濟部長李國鼎說服了俞國華院長，在台積電成立的時候不只招募外資，臺灣的企業投資、政府出資48%，1987年成立了台積電，所以本席現在要隆重的告訴卓院長，這是臺灣的護國神山，國民黨政府創立了台積電，民進黨政府不要出賣了台積電，本席隆重的告訴你就是這樣。 |
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卓院長榮泰：放心，絕對不會，我們維護台積電在全世界的領先地位。 |
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傅委員崐萁：大家拭目以待看民進黨政府怎麼面對川普大帝。再來，中央政府到現在到底會不會試算每一年國家的稅收是多少？連續四年超收一兆八千七百多億，了不起！了不起！超收一兆八千七百多億，連續四年連估算國家的稅收是多少都估不出來，這就是民進黨的政權。本席想了很久，國內的經濟脈動、國內的財政發展，民進黨政府竟然茫然不知，所以每一年都有巨額的估算錯誤，才會有一兆八千七百多億的超徵，中間只有拿了5,300億去還債。本席到昨天晚上頓悟，原來估錯是有原因的，估錯的原因是因為這些稅課收入的25%，照舊制的統籌分配款要分配25%給地方政府，所以你這些錢沒有估算到就不用給地方政府，這四年來不得了了，這個是一級的國家級詐術。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，你算錯了！委員，我提醒你，你算錯了，不要繼續往下算，請部長算給你聽。 |
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傅委員崐萁：沒有關係啦！沒有關係啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：你算錯了嘛！ |
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傅委員崐萁：好啦！部長說，沒有關係。 |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員說明，對於中央統籌分配稅款，我們在預算的時候會先算給12個月，但是如果實徵數超過預算數，實徵數超過的部分依然會給地方政府，不會留在中央，屬於地方政府的還是會給。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，所以這四年超徵的一兆八千七百多億，25%是4,676億，會給地方政府，是嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：會按照我們的中央統籌分配稅款公式給。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，請你提供資料給本席。 |
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莊部長翠雲：沒有問題。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席很高興聽到這樣，因為沒有關係，接下來最會覆議的行政院長，一天到晚只知道覆議的行政院長…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我是被動的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：對於總預算、對於財劃法都要提覆議，本席一定會等到你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我是被動的、我是被動的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請你今天下午提供給本席，因為從早上就追財政部、追主計總處，資料都不給我們，沒有關係，現在本席公開在這裡要求你們資料趕快給我。再過來，我們超徵這麼多錢，要不要還稅於民？院長，要不要還稅於民？講不出來？ |
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卓院長榮泰：實徵數超過預算數之後，我們除了增加還本之外…… |
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傅委員崐萁：實徵數本來就超過預算數，超過太多了嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們還減少舉債，這個都要算在內，之後我們可以用特別條例…… |
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傅委員崐萁：減少舉債可以算在內，本席沒有不同意。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們用特別條例、特別預算的方式，可以用在人民所需要的地方。我們過去也有發消費券，也有發現金的例子，這都是其中的一項，但不要把它固定到只能怎麼用，那對政府的財政彈性是沒有辦法因應的。 |
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傅委員崐萁：我們看一下，澳門還錢於民，永久居民4萬臺幣；香港2萬1,000臺幣；新加坡家戶1萬9,000臺幣；南韓1萬7,000到7,000臺幣；美國每戶5,000塊美金（16萬3,000臺幣），還稅於民，所以本席在這裡強力建議，我們去年超收5,283億…… |
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莊部長翠雲：中央就是3,700億，沒有…… |
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傅委員崐萁：是不是全民普發1萬塊，還稅於民可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員說明…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不是！本席問的問題是還稅於民，一人普發1萬塊，院長同不同意？ |
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莊部長翠雲：中央是3,700億。 |
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卓院長榮泰：實徵數超過預算數之後，我們可以用來增加還本，減少舉債…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，你看一下、你看一下…… |
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卓院長榮泰：依照預算法跟公共債務法，我們還有相關的規定。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你看一下，2022年民進黨立委也喊過要普發1萬塊，所有的國家都能做，我們到底能不能做？ |
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本席再請教一個，請問院長，去年教育部體育署113年度歲出的法定數是54億1,511萬，今年我們通過的法定數是多少？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們今年編給未來的運動部，我記得將近有170億左右。 |
| gazette.blocks[185][0] |
傅委員崐萁：體育署，我們今年通過是多少錢？回答一下嘛！你們不是準備覆議了嗎？你們數字都不曉得，就準備覆議嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們數字當然知道啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：那請告訴本席。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們今年原計預算…… |
| gazette.blocks[189][0] |
傅委員崐萁：去年54億，今年是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[190][0] |
卓院長榮泰：對於體育的預算，我們原來希望能夠增加到200億以上。 |
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傅委員崐萁：不是，你們也不要這麼「膨風」嘛！你們提出來是七十四億多嘛…… |
| gazette.blocks[192][0] |
卓院長榮泰：還有另外的體育基金，這是一半而已。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你們提出來的是七十四億多嘛！部長，所以是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[194][0] |
卓院長榮泰：其實這是一半而已，另外還有一半是基金的方式…… |
| gazette.blocks[195][0] |
傅委員崐萁：體育署的部分是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[196][0] |
鄭部長英耀：基金還沒有通過。 |
| gazette.blocks[197][0] |
卓院長榮泰：基金的方式還沒有通過。 |
| gazette.blocks[198][0] |
傅委員崐萁：體育署的部分是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[199][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我說這是一半而已，我們還有一半在基金。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，對啊！本席請教體育署就好，是多少？ |
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卓院長榮泰：大概一百六、七十億左右。 |
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傅委員崐萁：什麼亂講啊！你們都講不出來喔？ |
| gazette.blocks[203][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我是說含基金。 |
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傅委員崐萁：沒有關係、沒有關係，好，本席待會再來問。 |
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卓院長榮泰：74億是一半而已，剛剛跟委員說明了，跟委員說明過的事情，委員都認為…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，臺灣人過年7天被詐了16億，臺灣是詐騙橫行的地方，警政署公布一個禮拜有兩千五百多件詐騙案，國人被詐了16億。國民黨負責任地要嚇阻這個詐騙，在本會期會提出優先法案、民生法案，除了去年法務部的「打詐四法」以外，我們今年還會再次提高所有打詐的刑度，在臺灣最重是七年以下，日本最重是十年以下，韓國十三年以下，美國三十年以下，新加坡十七年以下。臺灣只要是車手，什麼東西都是緩刑，也不用關，所以造成今天詐騙已經真的是國家隊了。 |
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本席在這裡要隆重地告訴院長，中華民國臺灣的球隊到哪裡打球，我們都希望他贏，但是我們看一下，「經典賽輸球，是因為藍白刪預算？」這個不得了啊！這已經是詐騙國家隊，Team Taiwan現在是詐騙的標誌，詐騙國家隊。本席讓你看清楚，睜開眼睛看清楚，113年度體育署總共用了五十四億多，114年我們核准通過了七十二億多…… |
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卓院長榮泰：還有在基金的部分。 |
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傅委員崐萁：多了18億，基金也多，每一個都多，你們還說我們刪預算，哇！每天每一個都出來哭，我們告訴你喔，來、來、來，賴總統怎麼講的？說好的朝野和諧，賴總統怎麼跟你講的？你不是天天都見面嗎？賴清德不是說好的嗎？盼朝野和諧，國家大步向前。哇！你們是一個白臉、一個黑臉。到現在為止，所有民進黨立委出來詐騙，部會首長說沒有錢、沒有錢。套一句我們鄉下人說的話：前年給你80塊，有魚有肉；去年給你100塊，你們每天在辦桌；今年給你120塊，你說沒錢買衛生紙。每天在騙，這詐騙國家隊到處騙，結果現在2025都領到了，你們詐騙租屋補助沒有了、育兒津貼沒有了、試管育兒補助沒有了、高中職及私立大學補助沒有了、老人長照沒有、軍公教的調薪沒有了！對不起，統統都有，這就是詐騙國家隊。 |
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最後本席再告訴你，蘇花安，我們不了解，詐騙國家隊，我要請教一下，卓院長，你看一下你自己的成績，蘇花改所有的地質鑽探調查全部完成，行政院99年2月8號核定可行性研究，100年1月29號動工，11個月動工。蘇花安，所有地質、水文調查，同樣一個路廊全部早就調查過了，行政院108年12月20號核定，到現在5年了。蘇花改國民黨政府11個月動工，可行性研究評估核定，你現在核定5年。最可笑的是，從公路總局到交通部到國發會統統審議完畢，聽說現在院長審議中，我不曉得你是比交通部還專業還是比國發會還專業、比公路總局還專業，在您桌上躺了3個月，院長，你親自審核，本席真的覺得非常地榮耀，但是本席提醒你，詐騙國家隊，不要長年地詐騙，國民黨政府從核定到動工11個月，蘇花安108年12月20號行政院核定可行性評估，到現在5年，卓院長你還在審議。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，你一路用這種情緒性的謾罵，我實在沒有辦法合理地跟你做政策的討論…… |
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傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，你覺得你今天有任何的委屈…… |
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卓院長榮泰：從頭到尾都是這種情緒性的謾罵。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請你發正式的公文給我…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我沒有委屈啦，我是為所有的公務員委屈啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：你來告訴本席，這一張有哪裡錯誤？請你發文正式告訴我。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我是為公務人員委屈。 |
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傅委員崐萁：最後本席提醒一下，菩薩畏因、眾生畏果。賴皇推動大罷免，肖想拉下韓國瑜！編導狸貓換太子，沐猴而冠柯建銘！想要柯建銘當院長，慢慢想啦！不可能的事情啦！就這樣。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員的質詢永遠達不到目的。 |
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主席：謝謝傅崐萁委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。 |
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接下來我們請登記第4位陳培瑜委員質詢。 |
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232 |
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院會-11-3-2 |
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韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
范雲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
吳春城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
羅智強 |
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13 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-02-25 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1142401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1142401_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[1] |
1142401_00003 |
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1142401_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[3] |
1142401_00005 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期第2次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢─ 進行質詢─ |
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1142401_00004 |