| IVOD_ID |
158969 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158969 |
| 日期 |
2025-02-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-02-25T14:30:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-02-25T14:46:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7410aefb2dded674723bb242a272b869b12e281e566aaf6891e94b31dc63882b69e402d4bcb505e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:38 - 14:46:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-02-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次會議（事由：行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長再次備選吳委員好 |
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院長午安所有內閣團隊大家辛苦大家午安我想今天的破題就扣合著上午卓院長所定的調團結比什麼都重要而我要加一句民生比什麼都優先 |
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走過2024毀憲亂政、民主失靈的一年我非常的期待在新會期我們能夠撥亂反正而不是重蹈覆轍所以我自己自我期許2025年是國會民主重建重回正軌的一年 |
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而當中既然在野黨也口口聲聲說民生優先民生第一我們就衷心的期盼他不會是狼來了而是真心誠意的在團結的基礎上在民生優先的這個理念上我們一起來努力那夏業 |
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您今天是上任第281天喔我給您一個開放題喔院長可以自評一下您認為您是史上最什麼什麼的院長來最富裕的院長富裕富裕啊富裕最多的院長還有呢 |
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其他都很幸福美滿除了被迫要復藝多以外好 下一頁就是思堯的觀察您是史上最難為的行政院院長因為面對國際的變局面對中國的步步進逼乃至於在國會 |
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受到在野黨的杯葛執政您都是最為難為挑戰最多的院長您剛提到了復議因為您面對的違憲法案最多不管是提出復議還包括目前有三個法案都已經提出釋憲而國會擴選法案已被宣判違憲 |
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第二呢您面對的錢坑法案、肉桶法案也最多我這個會期又重新幫您試算了一下現在各黨在野黨的委員提出來的錢坑肉桶法案有33個案不管是一次性的經費或者是分年度的支出至少國庫一年3兆3500億起跳這非常可怕 |
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您面對的也是史上總預算被刪減最高的一次所以說在面對這麼多的困難當中您是史上最難為的院長夏業但是我同時也要為您平反您是我所看到史上最努力溝通的院長怎麼說 |
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在窮盡一切的努力在各個階段在各種可能性您都不放棄努力我回溯一下過去的這一年您記得嗎10月11號我們跟韓院長一起吃了和解飯 |
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然後11月7號您又再次的邀集各黨的黨鞭到行政院您的御山廳我們一起針對總預算立委不應當片面的以修法的方式來增加政府預算之支出這違反憲法預算法跟財政紀律法您希望透過這個協調去定下彼此的遊戲規則這是第二次您的努力 |
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第三次當然是總統依據憲法44條來進行的院計協商之後您依舊不放棄溝通您努力的促成了也感謝韓院長召開再一次的總預算協商即便我們都知道三讀通過的總預算如果要能夠去做調整它存在著巨大的困難但是不放棄努力 |
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所以我說您是一個史上最努力溝通的行政院院長我要為您平反您認為呢 |
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委員這是鼓勵還是這是鼓勵這是加冕我也期待您未來還需要不放棄溝通市長委員您這樣的說法面對違憲最多的法案還好我們有憲法的救濟程序面對錢坑法案還好我們在立法院還有很多的機會可以好好的以福國利民的法案為優先 |
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那麼面對那麼多被刪減的預算還好我有提出我們是因為新增事項很多所以我們不是胡亂編一個史上最高的至於說溝通協調這個本來就是在政治上必須要做的工作也不是我單人一人所為也謝謝韓院長更謝謝總統在適時的時候出面更謝謝朝野各黨團也能夠坐下來討論即使我在剛剛的報告當中所說的過去的這一年行政立法兩院 |
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在磨合期,風波起起伏伏但我相信,風波總會過去風平浪靜,雨過天晴的那一天總會來到民主就是不斷的對話,下一頁所以呢,很多在野黨的委員,包括您剛剛也自嘲您是提出富裕最多的一個院長但我要說,當立法院違憲成為慣例的時候 |
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行政部門、憲政機關的維護憲法就是必須因為你必須要善盡憲法賦予您的憲法忠誠義務不管是提起復議讓立法院針對至愛難行的法案重新審視或者是依循核憲的程序提出暫時處分或釋憲這都是您的不得不然下一頁 |
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辛惠琪的新期許韓院長也在這我在這裡希望我再一次說2025應該是台灣國會重建民主的一年我們希望四個期許第一個擱置爭議的議題我們一起努力去做到民生優先 |
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第二個沒有討論不是民主國會應當要進行民主的討論程序而最重要的討論機制場域就在委員會的中心主義要被落實讓專業說話最後一個有賴於韓院長我們必須讓協商真正的成為對話的場域而不是過水快轉 |
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的假協商只重程序而沒有實質的協商那不利於台灣國會民主的重建所以我個人也擔任一年以來的黨鞭我非常的期待2025我們一起努力讓台灣的國會能夠重建民主這四大期許我們一起努力來做到好嗎 |
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委員你也是最辛苦最強的幹事長你也帶領黨團在總召的領導者下我們確實在這個環境底下做了很多我們原先以為不會那麼順利的事情這是大家共同努力的結果我也出身立法院我絕對尊重立法院只要立法院任何一個法案跟預算合法合憲而且經過 |
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法定程序經過實質的協商經過民主的投票出來的結果行政院一定遵守所以國會應當是一個少數服從多數但是多數一定要尊重少數讓少數的意見多元的意見能夠被傳達而不是被噤聲下一頁再下一頁再下一頁當然這個會期在野黨提出來了很多民生 |
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的議案但是我要強調民生議案也必然要經過多元而充分的討論匯聚社會的共識首先國定假日的天數調整立法院已經有19個立委的版本那行政院的立場我相信您也收集了各方的意見可以簡要跟我們說明就國定假日的天數調整目前您這裡的言議目前我們的國定假日 |
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是一年有115或116天因為論年的關係那這個是符合大院的這個附帶決議的文字所以我們一直在這裡面調整那現在我們有聽到很多的聲音希望能夠多增加但一個增加會超出這樣的立法院當初大院的一個文字再來增加要增加到哪裡去要增加哪一天增加什麼節目他必須要有 |
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對國人來有意義對國家要有意義所以我們一直希望說能夠採全國的一致性的原則而且增加的要能夠我希望以社會付出成本最低變化最少的方式來增加所以如果能這個討論底下那大家能夠很公開理性的討論 |
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最近大家提到七天假但是我還是很清楚的要報告沒有所謂七天假要不要還的問題因為七天假的前提是我們在沒有落實週休二日的時候是馬前總統那個時候提出的以落實 |
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週休二日的時候七天假就取消那現在我們有95%的執行率達成率幾乎國人95%都有落實到週休二日所以沒有所謂七天假但是要不要回復哪一天如果它具有特殊的意義有全國的一致性那麼變動也會最少 |
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好野各方產業界跟勞動朋友都能夠來一致的話那我們可以找出一個最佳解下一頁所以我的主張也跟您雷同我認為增加假日是可以正向積極的討論但是要還原事實您剛剛說的這幾年來我們改善勞權週休二日上路之後現在週休二日的比例已經來到94.77% |
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而也搭配了縮短工時週休二日加上增加特別休假的幾個配套現在台灣受僱員工的總工時已經降到2020年一個小時但是我們不滿意我們還要持續的精進但是回到這個關鍵的議題就是我非常同意您說的增加假日應當是建立制度 |
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全國一致我個人也看了19個版本我認為各個版本的立法旗艦人多如果能夠行政院是不是研議就現行的辦法下手可以更有彈性的來增加假日的部分來促成擴大多元的對話 |
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關於勞動工時的問題因為我們國家的計算跟其他國家的計算有一個基礎的不同是部分工時我們是比較少其他國家比較多所以合併算起來我們的工時會比較長這個勞動部可以再詳細說明所以紀念日的法制化我請內政部也可以說明 |
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所以部長有要提出對岸的修法還是我們傾向用行政命令現行的要點目前為止我們希望能夠維持現狀因為19個委員的版本都會有特別身份的人要特別放假但是跟剛剛所說的勞動基準法在105年公布之後現在所有的工時或是所有的放假日已經跟軍公教都齊平那我們會認為說第一個維持現狀第二個就是我們剛剛所提到的這個制度要建立的時候要有共識 |
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我們去年十月在內政委員會的時候邀集各方的包括中小企業的團體來的時候他們的說法就跟一般的勞團的說法不見相同所以我們覺得說如果沒有各方有共識之前貿然就把這個國定假日法變成是一個法律案的話恐怕會有很多不同的爭議 |
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好那我收到我們那個目前的研議我們希望由現行的實施辦法來著手但是擴大對話正向來研議不管是增加幾天我們都願意往這方面一起來促成各界的一個意見交流我願意跟大家來討論好那因為時間非常短我回到這個最後一個議題壯世代的風暴院長壯世代的風暴帶給台灣社會什麼省思 |
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我認為我也非常遺憾上午就站在這個地方我們吳春城委員他辭去立委我尊重個人的去留但是公共政策的辯論跟是非曲直的探討也不會因為個人的去留而停止本席非常覺得遺憾居然把本席還有陳時中政委拖下水 |
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我要再次的還原所謂的壯士代的促進法這個專法在朝野協商的場域伍思堯作為黨團的幹部我非常努力的協助行政部門跟各黨之間我們來提出一個對於行政部門衝擊較小而且是更為可行的一個法案因此我拆了三個地雷第一個 |
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原來的吳春城的版本是要求行政院要有壯世代的專責辦公室我們認為其其以為不可第二他要求行政院要為壯世代新立基金這又是一個違憲的法案當然不可能接受所以我也成功的協調刪除了這個條文第三個吳春城民眾黨要求兩年內內閣相關的法案都要一律的證明改為壯世代我們認為姿勢體大 |
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所以我希望說一個理性的公共政策的討論不要拿別人來背鍋也不要把行政部門來合理化現在委員個人是否有涉及圖利個人涉及事項的討論我認為這對民主的社會都不健康我只剩下最後20秒我也不知道怎麼來講我的最後一個議題社會需要的是青年基本法 |
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我們要哪一種世代正義我們不要讓富者更富我們應當拉年輕人一把七年基本法伍思瑤從第十屆倡議到十一屆我今天沒有時間論述可不可以正面 |
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請行政院專門通過論壇提出《新年基本法》的原例這才是臺灣社會最期待的事但就院長先公告 |
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主要在任党可以成为最近7年的行政对不对我没想到7年这个党是所有7年世代共同的场就是让台湾的世代政治大幅下跌的这种宪党维杰的整合法律我一定会放心的就像放弃国民党我们一起来承认好 谢谢吴斯有问资讯谢谢 |