| IVOD_ID |
158913 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158913 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-16T11:52:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-16T12:05:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e6909b4ca57c06123a4d0d37c693563a29ae781c7e1649b4de3b3aa55c86af57dff46f77a105961a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:44 - 12:05:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家安全局局長、國防部部長、大陸委員會、國家通訊傳播委員會、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署報告「針對海底電纜係國家對外重要通訊手段，為避免中共利用各種灰色地帶手段測試我國網路及電網韌性情事發生，如何建立有效備援系統以支援軍事作戰並支撐基礎建設防護韌性」，並備質詢。） |
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社委部長好首先感謝部長因為之前教育部他在學校要求發青年服勤同意書搞得家長恐慌後來是部長覺得說發這個東西沒必要所以後來教育部就取消了但我想要問部長因為我們之前在審教育部預算的時候那時候教育部自己講說他們會檢討改進然後他們覺得這個做法是不對的 |
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那未來所有的在學校裡面就不會進行編組也不會進行所謂之前要弄那個什麼防護校園防護團以後有關於全民國防的就回歸課程透過課程的方式然後讓學生們了解這些這些觀念跟委員報告我想 |
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圈志願同意書跟要在學校要成立自救互救的這樣子的一個防護塔作為是兩件事情我覺得在任何重大災害或者是緊急事況的情況之下學校要成立一個自救互救的防護塔作為還是有必要的但是他們成立的方式就是發那個同意書嘛看大家要不要加入嘛 |
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但是只要一調查就引起恐慌嘛所以你現在的方式但是同意書的方案在我看起來是沒有什麼太大意義那你覺得要用什麼方式去組這個防護團那本來就是要教導學生要怎麼樣自救護救對嘛 是嘛所以這個跟有沒有防護團是兩回事嘛 |
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所以現在就是因為法律裡面有規定說一定要學校防護團所以學校就一定要做這個事但是有沒有做防護團和教導全民公安概念是兩回事吧對吧因為如果有一個成立自救互救的這樣子的一個組織所以你還是覺得要成立這個組織那他們現在就說沒有要成立因為就成立不起來因為你只要問大家要不要加入就造成恐慌 |
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所以你理想很豐滿嘛現實很骨感嘛所以部長那你們還是要如果按照你的說法你還是要成立這個防護團那你跟教育部現在就不同調啦 |
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我想是不是叫防護團我沒有特別意見但是我著重的是在於任何學生都應該要有自救護舅那自救護舅跟全民國防觀念是不是兩回事是嗎沒有 全民國防的這個概念當然是有融合在這個融合在一起但是其實透過課程跟他們灌輸全民國防觀念跟到底有沒有這個團有沒有加入是兩回事 |
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這個團部應該是加入不加入你還是應該都要教導這樣的一個知識跟基礎沒有人說不要教導本來就是要教導啦所以讓學生沒有參加學校防護團跟有沒有削弱國防是兩回事嘛你們今天國防也不是靠學生去打仗吧 |
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所以我覺得部長我覺得大家現在你們現在都一直在搞認知作戰好像什麼沒有加入學校防務團就是削弱國防講的一副就是要學生去打仗的樣子我希望部長作為我們國軍的最高統國軍的國防部長還是要對外去講不要自己人嚇自己人好像學生沒上戰場我們國防就要廢掉一樣 |
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社會上太多這種不實訊息了有機會還要去澄清一下然後再來我想請教一下因為今天我們講的是電纜之前有很多研究包括你們國防部自己的研究都講說我們應該要有自己的電纜的修復的船隻為什麼呢因為 |
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如果說我們現在修復的話都是要叫國外的船那第一個就是要拜託他們然後還要排時間那來的時間如果受到什麼海象啊什麼的影響的話更會拖嘛那所以因此之前 |
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國防部自己做出來的研究國防安全研究院做出來的研究都說應該用國家資源維持一到兩艘我們自己的海嵐的舖修船那我不知道國防部現在的規劃是怎樣還是後來你們評估覺得沒有必要做這個事情 |
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我想國防部本身就這個要從事這個我們製造的這個海嵐在被破壞的情況下建立這樣子的一個補修不在我們現在的建軍的規劃裡面原因是什麼因為這樣有評估過嗎 |
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我的理解其實對川普的理解是在國安會的時期的理解因為我們認為在這個部分的能量的一個建置還是需要他靠國際上面的一個來協情國際來做就應該就可以了其他詳細的部分你通知教委沒有 你講一下你們的那個評估的過程因為這個也是你們自己提供的報告然後國際上有些國家都有嘛 |
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那所以我們我們自己後來決定不做這件事情的原因是什麼 |
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我是通知市的市長 鄧恩烈那因為針對這個電纜的部分不是屬於我們國防部的不是我們國防部自己建置的所以我們沒有需要修護的這個能量那這個東西的主則是在外交部是屬於中華電信的那跟我們軍方是沒有直接的關係交通部的OK 好然後再來中華電信就我了解他們有做過一些評估但是因為這個國防安全研究院的報告嘛那是國防部嘛 |
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國安局是我們國防部的智庫不是我們國防部本身你們智庫有提出這樣的訴求所以國防部如果認為有必要當然可以去跟交通部討論要不要做這件事情所以我現在只是問說部長你覺得有沒有必要我是不是請中華電信是不是能夠說因為我記得當時是有做過一些評估中華電信有做了一個是不是檢要說明一下 |
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跟委員報告以現在亞洲的情形來講有橫濱有東南部兩區的維修船但是這些維修船都不是一個國家的都是很多國家合在一起做為什麼呢因為這個成本非常高除了建置成本還有維護成本所以都是用組成一個聯盟大家來排這是目前我們看到的那目前這樣我們去比如說我們請他們來修復都很順暢就對了也不會延誤 |
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要排隊就如我們剛才所講因為這個成本非常高所以大家會用排隊那排隊的方式剛才談到一般來講就是會有一個協調如果真的有緊急狀況那我們的同仁也扮演那個聯盟的主席某些海南主席所以在裡面我們也會努力爭取在排序的時候盡量往前盡量往前但是因為它真的很龐大所以剛才談到以這兩區來講都是多國合作而不是單一個國家 |
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OK 好 謝謝再來我再請教部長因為大家都知道說我們現在國防還有另外一個問題就是我們國軍的邊線筆的問題 |
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那根據國防部自己的資料都顯示說到2024年我們提前退伍的國軍人數已經到1565人那增加的幅度非常多那部長我看到你們國防部對外講的理由都是說薪資問題嘛因為國際就是社會上面其他企業的薪資待遇會比我們職業聚能高很多嘛是這樣沒錯吧 |
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先是在於就我們的調查來講佔的比例大概是63%點多啦那另外當然也涉及到一些家庭因素等等那現在因為在少子化的影響之下那經濟狀況也不錯所以在 |
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招募的人才呢會比較不容易確實是那怎麼去解決這個問題因為我當然我也有跟有一些職業軍人提早退伍的人聊過他們講說現在7-11的平均薪資都比他們高了我們已經提出這個有資料有但是還是 |
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我們已經提出待遇調整的方案了我知道我知道這個我曉得但是我有問過他們還是不太夠第二個是他們也講說有一些人是當初國軍在招募他們的時候跟他們講的一套跟他們進去之後他們實際上發現一套是兩回事就感覺有被騙了舉例來講會跟他們講說這個都可以正常上下班 |
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510.623 |
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525.164 |
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但實際上進去之後常常就出任務跟不可能的事我是建議說我們在招募這些職業軍人的時候當然我知道一般的軍人跟我們一般的人是不太一樣工作型態一定是不太一樣但是一定要跟他們講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
525.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
553.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
不要讓大家覺得說好像有招募前跟進去之後有不一樣的狀況嘛會產生這樣心理上的落差我不知道部長你有沒有掌握到類似的情形有沒有是 我們一定會加強招募人來的時候的一個詳實的一個說明我想這是應該有的那新資你目前是有分階段的調漲嗎還是大概就是先調漲這一波然後之後再看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
553.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
573.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我們會大致上方向就是說志願役本身會有一定的調漲那另外主戰部隊就是說比較基層的部隊增加的幅度會比較多一些你有定一個目標出來嗎我們已經提出一個具體的方案了我說目標啦因為說實在的這個邊線筆就是軍中能力不足是一個老議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
578.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
593.187 |
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已經每一年大家都在講這個事情那你有沒有定一個目標出來說比如說到明年我們的邊線比可以達到多少然後我們軍中的流財率可以到多少不會讓他的提早退伍的人不斷的這個流失 |
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594.248 |
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609.801 |
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有沒有訂一個目標出來我想這是我們因為如果你沒有訂目標出來的話你就是且戰且走嘛我加一點錢看看狀況怎麼樣感覺在測風向但是國安問題是不能夠這樣子那麼隨便嘛所以部長你有沒有訂一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
611.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
628.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
對 我們現在主要的目標應該是說我們要拉高這個主戰部隊的邊線比大概多少 到多少因為現在還不到百分之八十有一些部分那我們希望當然朝向於目標朝向百分之八十的這樣的目標只朝 百分之八十夠嗎 |
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629.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
643.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為主戰部隊在很多地方的邊線還要比80還要來的低所以你現在目標是先到80幾年內要到80我們待調整方案出來之後我們逐步朝向這個來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
645.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
672.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
總之要一個目標大家來達成才能夠來檢驗嘛我們跟委員報告每一年不管是招募、留營我們都會定一個目標我們是當年的這個打比方我舉個例子當年的畢業的學生的人數啦還有可服役的藝男那我們都會定一個目標比如說我們希望這個主戰部隊他能夠達到75%的留營率我們的招募目標他可以達到我們所設定目標的百分之百、百分之九十我們都會定一個目標 |
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674.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
697.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
問一下今年的目標是什麼?我現在詳細處理沒帶,如果下去的話我願意給委員參考你要把目標講出來,大家明年才來看嘛你提高待遇到底有沒有用嘛你有沒有對症下藥嘛因為我剛講這是一個老議題每一年大家都在講的東西但是一直沒有辦法解決跟改善而且實際上你們目標定的也不是說很高啦你只是到80而已啦 |
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698.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
715.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
也不是很高啊80是我們通生的一個講法那剛剛陸長士講的意思是說我們對每一個單位應該都對於流言率也好招募人才的招募進來之後的一個變現比會有一些 |
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715.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
732.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
各別的一個目標都來努力這樣每年都有在訂就對了那今年是今年的因為你都回答得很抽象所以我那個詳細的每一個部分我們會後再提供給委員好謝謝好謝謝葉昀之委員羅志強委員 |