| IVOD_ID |
15891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15891 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-08T08:30:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-08T11:33:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:02:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d35675eb71f9bc6ae90a0be61fea148183be8d109af184be4f44983fd74e235685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國防部主管預算凍結案等89案。（詳如附件1、6）二、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等16案。（詳如附件2）三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國家安全局預算凍結案等9案。（詳如附件3）四、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，僑務委員會主管預算凍結案等13案。（詳如附件4）五、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議，國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管預算凍結案等 14案。（詳如附件5）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:30 - 11:33:00 |
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報告委員會﹖初期委員10人﹖已足法定人數。好,我們今天早上處理結段案,我們宣布開會,請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第17次全體委員會議．事由．時間中華民國113年5月2日星期四上午9時4分至10時59分地點紅龍山林會議室出席委員龍美林等11人列席委員葛如君等14人列席人員外交部部長吳釗燮及所屬人員主席馬昭吉委員文君報告事項一宣讀上次會議意思錄決定確定二 |
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邀請外交部部長吳釗燮報告外交部如何構建友善工作環境及人員心理輔導具體做法並被質詢。外交部部長吳釗燮報告委員盧美玲等10人質詢,均由外交部部長吳釗燮、人事處處長黃麗玲及臺灣日本關係協會秘書長范振國等及其答覆。 |
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決定一、登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二、委員所提口頭及書面質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請外交部與二周年已書面答覆本會全體委員並附資本會委員應指定期限者從其鎖定三、委員黃仁及林益君等二人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報宣讀完畢請問在場同事各位委員對上次會議議事錄有遺漏錯誤需要更正之處 |
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沒有的話我們一速度確定那我這邊增加宣告一件事情我們在禮拜一進行的公聽會特別感謝我們立法院公報處的同仁每個人分配時間加班我們公聽會的逐字稿以及附件現在已經整理完成我們待會請相關人員 |
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到場的委員我們就先提供給各位因為我們下午要審查國防部的兩套法那公聽會專家的意見還有附件先提供給各位辦公室參考那如果委員大會有出席的話我們請醫生員提供給他們如果沒有出席的話我們就把他送到辦公室在上午務必把禮拜一公聽會的逐字稿呈交給本會聯審的所有同仁包含司法法制好我們先介紹在場的委員陳永康委員 |
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馬文君委員、羅美玲委員、洪森漢委員、林柱英委員、沈伯陽委員沒有漏掉了我們今天因為是處理多個部會的解凍案,列席的官員比較多那沒有位置的官員大家抱歉,空間的問題國防部由副部長薄宏輝、長賜楊基隆、權動署白潔榮 |
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總督察長是副總督察長周景龍政治專案局局長陳玉玲軍備局局長林文祥主計局局長謝其賢軍醫局代理副局長楊仲祺政規司司長李士強資規司司長鄧克雄 |
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法律事務司司長沈世偉．整評司司長苗慧芬．觀光採購司主任趙雅萍．人事參謀次長是次長劉佩智．情報參謀次長是次長顏友賢．作戰及計劃參謀次長是次長陳文新．後勤參謀次長是次長陳道輝． |
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通信電子資訊參謀次長是次長盧建忠訓司次長張俊志陸軍參謀長陳建義海軍參謀長邱俊榮空軍參謀長曹敬平縣指部參謀長呂正芳陸軍後勤指揮部參謀長劉清薰 |
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支通電軍指揮部參謀長陳俊良軍情局第一處處長鄧敦仁中科院院長張忠誠以上是國防部接下來是我們外交部由政務司長田中光亞太司司長藍夏禮亞非司司長賀忠義 |
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歐洲司司長黃軍耀（北美司司長王良玉（拉美吉加勒比海司司長鄭麗成（條法司司司長連健成（國主司司司長孫建源（國和司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司國合司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司國合司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司司 |
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主計處處長李佩華資訊及電務處處長林啟文臺日關係協會秘書長范正國領務局副局長陳尚友國安局由副局長柯承亨代表僑委會由副委員長阮昭雄 |
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主任秘書張楠明、縱規處處長郭淑珍、橋明處處長賴麗瑩、橋教處處長黃振傑、橋商處處長王偉戰、橋深處處長王怡如、主計事主任林秀燕、通訊社社長吳曉竹、 |
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我們國軍退俗役官兵輔導委員會由副主任委員李文忠服務照顧處處長曹東發你是唯一打招呼的你讓前面的人情何以堪啊再來就養養護處處長周新國就學就業處處長池玉蘭就醫保健處副處長陳炎芳 |
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行政管理處處長章關宇、會計處處長蔡靜滿、統計資訊處處長張士強、行政院主計總處專門委員邱碧珠 |
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好我們請議事人員宣讀報告及討論事項因為案子比較多可能要花10分鐘的時間那這10分鐘時間原則上在宣讀完畢前請各位務必回到原位就好這當中的話請大家可以自行處理公務我們開始宣讀 |
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．報告事項2（處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．國防部主管預算提出書面報告後．使得凍結等82案。．1、第二目向下．對國內團體資捐助預算凍結100萬元案。．2、本部第二目向下業務費預算凍結200萬元案。．3、本部第二目向下對國內團體資捐助預算凍結200萬元案。．4、 |
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本部第二幕向下．國防支援管理預算凍結100萬元案。．五．本部第二幕向下．本部第二幕．國防政策規劃與督導預算凍結100萬元案。．六．本部第二幕向下．業務費預算凍結100萬元案。．七．本部第二幕向下．業務費預算凍結100萬元案。．八．陸軍司令部第三幕．按日案件祭資籌金預算凍結50萬元案。．九．陸軍司令部第三幕向下． |
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教育訓練費預算凍結1000萬元案。（10陸軍司令部第3目向下（其他業務租金預算凍結200萬元案。（11陸軍司令部第5目向下（新型雙連裝增次飛彈系統訓練模擬器（預算凍結100萬元案。（12陸軍司令部第8目向下（ |
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裝訓部坑子口訓練場整建工程案預算凍結300萬元案。（十四案陸軍司令部第8幕向下（設備及投資預算凍結100萬元案。（十四陸軍司令部第8幕向下（高登釀島碼頭及工事整建工程預算凍結200萬元案。（十五陸軍司令部第8幕向下（ |
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暫假車、掩體、新建工程預算凍結10萬元案。（16陸軍司令部第8幕向下（裝訓部長安營軍訓練場整建工程案（預算凍結500萬元案。（17陸軍司令部第8幕向下（在人工車輛籌補預算凍結200萬元案。（18 |
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陸軍司令部第5目向下一般武器及戰備支援裝備構型預算凍結50萬元案。（19陸軍司令部第1目向下業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（20陸軍司令部第5目向下軍事裝備及設施預算凍結250萬元案。（21陸軍司令部第5目向下遙控無人機防禦系統預算凍結200萬元案。 |
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22、陸軍司令部第5目向下違行無人機預算凍結100萬元案23、陸軍司令部第5目向下業務費預算凍結10萬元案24、陸軍司令部第5目向下無人機反制系統預算凍結200萬元案25、陸軍司令部第5目向下一般武器及戰備支援裝備購資預算凍結200萬元案 |
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26（陸軍司令部第3目向下安瑞案件．資籌金預算凍結100萬元案27（陸軍司令部第4目向下MKII手榴彈偽製案國家中山科學研究院預算凍結200萬元案28（陸軍司令部第4目向下設備及投資預算凍結100萬元案29（陸軍司令部第4目向下業務費預算凍結100萬元案 |
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30、陸軍司令部第4目向下﹐物品預算凍結100萬元案。﹐31陸軍司令部第1目向下一般事務費預算凍結100萬元案。﹐32陸軍司令部第3目向下﹐軍事裝備及設施預算凍結500萬元案。﹐33海軍司令部第5目向下﹐仁溪市短程防空飛彈預算凍結100萬元案。﹐34 |
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海軍司令部第8目向下左營蘇澳及基隆基地新建設救火堵漏訓場預算凍結500萬元案。（海軍司令部第8目向下水上特種作戰訓場建設預算凍結50萬元案。（海軍司令部第1目向下法務及法治作業預算凍結10萬元案。（海軍司令部陸用兼徵型無人機預算凍結300萬元案。 |
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38、海軍司令部第五目向下艦載型堅徵無人機預算凍結300萬元案。．19、海軍司令部第五目向下魚叉飛彈海岸防禦系統預算凍結500萬元案。 |
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40、海軍司令部第五目向下無人機反制系統預算凍結100萬元案。41、海軍司令部第五目向下國軍重要防護營區智慧型警監系統建置案第二階段預算凍結100萬元案。42、海軍司令部第五目向下兼增洗無人機預算凍結500萬元案。43、海軍司令部第八目向下軍事裝備及設施預算凍結500萬元案。 |
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44（海軍司令部第一幕向下資訊服務費﹐預算凍結20萬元案45（海軍司令部第一幕向下一班事務費﹐預算凍結50萬元案46（海軍司令部第三幕向下N2遠航訓練支業務費﹐預算凍結100萬元案47（海軍司令部第四幕向下業務費﹐預算凍結100萬元案48（海軍司令部第四幕向下物品﹐預算凍結50萬元案 |
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19、海軍司令部第4目向下業務費預算凍結100萬元案。（50、海軍司令部第4目向下軍事裝備設施養務費預算凍結500萬元案。（51、海軍司令部第4目向下業務費預算凍結100萬元案。 |
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52、海軍司令部第8目向下新群岡基地防護機構構建預算凍結100萬元案53、空軍司令部第8目營建工程預算凍結100萬元案54、空軍司令部第5目向下國軍重要防護營區智慧型警監系統建置案第二階段預算凍結100萬元案55、空軍司令部第5目向下遙控無人機防禦系統預算凍結300萬元案 |
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56、空軍司令部第5目向下危行無人機預算凍結100萬元案。（57、空軍司令部第4目向下業務費預算凍結100萬元案。（58、空軍司令部第4目向下軍事裝備設施養護費預算凍結200萬元案。（59、空軍司令部第4目向下資訊服務費預算凍結300萬元案。 |
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60、憲兵指揮部第3目向下動員整備之物品預算凍結200萬元案。 61、憲兵指揮部第3目向下安日案件計資籌金預算凍結50萬元案。 62、憲兵指揮部第5目向下遙控污染機防禦系統預算凍結200萬元案。 |
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63、憲兵指揮部第13目向下安日案件及之籌金預算凍結90萬元案。（64、憲兵指揮部第4目向下軍事裝備及設施預算凍結200萬元案。（65、直通電軍指揮部第4目向下資訊服務費預算凍結100萬元案。（66、 |
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電通資訊．通電軍指揮部第五目向下．遙控無人機防禦系統．預算凍結200萬元案。．通電軍指揮部第四目向下．人事費預算凍結200萬元案。．政治作戰局第一目．軍事行政預算凍結50萬元案。．軍備局第四目向下．對國內團體資金助預算凍結200萬元案。． |
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軍備局第1目軍事行政預算凍結100萬元案。（軍備局第4目向下其他業務租金預算凍結100萬元案。（軍備局第5目徵收戰術輪車研製案預算凍結300萬元案。（軍備局第11目向下野戰全身型動力外骨骼系統開發預算凍結100萬元案。 |
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2786.791 |
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74（軍備局第11目向下軍品研發預算凍結300萬元案。（75（軍備局第1目向下採購及外購軍品作業費預算凍結50萬元案。（76（軍備局第1目向下國防先進科技研究計劃預算凍結1000萬元案。 |
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2790.514 |
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2798.198 |
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77、軍醫局第一目向下業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（78、學民防衛動員署第三目向下國外旅費預算凍結100萬元案。（ |
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軍事情報局第1目軍事行政預算凍結100萬元案。（80本部所屬單位第3目教育訓練業務預算凍結91萬元案。（81參謀本部第4目向下軍事單位專備臨附建構置及保修預算凍結100萬元案。（82參謀本部第4目向下業務費預算凍結200萬元案。 |
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2826.301 |
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2837.332 |
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3、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．外交部主管預算提出書面報告後．使得凍結等12案。．一、一般事務費預算凍結100萬元案。．二、一般事務費預算凍結50萬元案。． |
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2851.343 |
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3、雜項設備費預算凍結50萬元案。（4、資訊服務費凍結50萬元案。（5、委辦費預算凍結20萬元案。（6、業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（7、學術交流活動有關歐洲式預算凍結20萬元案。（8、經貿交流活動有關亞東太平洋式預算凍結50萬元案。（9、經貿交流活動運用多元管道 |
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推動我加入跨太平洋夥伴全面進步協定預算凍結50萬元案。（10、經貿交流活動預算凍結50萬元案。（11、業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（12、業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（4、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．國家安全局預算提出書面報告後使得凍資等8案。（ |
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2900.06 |
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1、資訊服務費預算凍結50萬元案2、一般事務費預算凍結50萬元案3、設施及機械設施設備養護費預算凍結100萬元案4、防護建築及設備費預算凍結100萬元案5、雜項設備費預算凍結100萬元案6、教育訓練費預算凍結50萬元案7、資訊服務費預算凍結20萬元案8、資訊軟硬體設備費預算凍結50萬元案 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2926.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2940.776 |
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5、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．國防部委員會主管提出書面報告後．實則凍結等13案。．一、一般事務費預算凍結50萬元案。．二、橋界青年培育交流計劃預算凍結50萬元案。．三、橋民橋團聯繫接待及橋橋中心服務預算凍結20萬元案。．四、業務費預算凍結100萬元案。 |
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2953.885 |
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5、海外華語文學習生根計劃預算凍結20萬元案。（7、擴大培育及留用僑生預算凍結100萬元案。（ |
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2961.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2969.522 |
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7、業務費預算凍結10萬元案。（8、業務費預算凍結50萬元案。（9、擴大培育及留用僑生預算凍結20萬元案。（10、業務費預算凍結10萬元案。（11、業務費預算凍結10萬元案。（12、海外華語文學習生根計劃預算凍結20萬元案。（13、僑生回國升學及僑親培訓研習預算凍結20萬元案。 |
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2988.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2998.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
5、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．國軍退出一官兵輔導委員會．主管預算提出書面報告後．使得凍結．使得凍資等14案。． |
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3015.004 |
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1、第一目向下講補助費預算凍結100萬元案2、第二目向下雜項設備費預算凍結50萬元案3、第四目向下國外旅費預算凍結50萬元案4、第五目向下機械設備費預算凍結100萬元案5、第五目向下業務費預算凍結100萬元案 |
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3021.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3024.812 |
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6、第6目向下暗日案件．資籌金預算凍結100萬元案。．其第6目．農民醫療照護預算凍結100萬元案。．8、第7目向下一般事務費預算凍結30萬元案。 |
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3037.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3046.985 |
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9、第7目向下大陸地區旅費預算凍結30萬元案10、第7目向下各安養機構勞務外包經費預算凍結30萬元案11、第7目向下機械設備費預算凍結50萬元案12、第7目農民安養及養護預算凍結100萬元案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3065.231 |
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13、第9目向下安養機構防設及生活設施整建工程預算凍結50萬元案。（14、第9目向下房屋建築及設備費預算凍結100萬元案。（討論事項（處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．國防部主管預算凍結案等7案。（ |
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3091.925 |
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第一案．第二目向下．國防政策規劃與督導．預算凍結401萬7千元。．二．入軍司令部第三目向下．動員整備人事費．預算凍結100萬元。．三．入軍司令部第三目向下．物品．預算凍結100萬元。 |
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3093.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3105.898 |
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．四、陸軍司令部第3目向下．遭下設備費預算凍結100萬元．五、陸軍司令部第1目向下．國內旅費預算凍結100萬元．六、陸軍司令部第4目向下．業務費預算凍結200萬元．七、海軍司令部第5目向下．國軍HF通訊機換裝案．預算凍結500萬元案 |
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3116.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3123.36 |
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．二、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議．外交部主管預算凍結案等4案。． |
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3126.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3142.054 |
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113年度其他協助各項國際交流活動預算凍結20萬元案。（二、加強雙邊及多邊合作有關拉丁美洲及加勒比海斯預算凍結50萬元案。（三、對外資捐助預算凍結100萬元案。（四、對國際之關懷救助及重建預算凍結100萬元案。（三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算決議 |
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3153.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3155.126 |
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國家安全局第二幕資訊軟硬體設備費預算凍結50萬元案宣讀完畢。 |
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3162.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3188.846 |
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有關我們今天的議程跟我們同仁報告一下上午我們處理解凍案那我們必須在1點以前把它做一個段落因為1點半開始我們從今天下午到明天兩天一次會要處理兩個法案的審查國防部的法案那那個法案光宣讀條文就要花兩個小時所以我們可能時間控制要好一點所以我們今天上午因為是我們上一個會期的凍結案 |
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也經過相當討論所以待會本席會給發言的時間會比較短一點請大家諒解第二個我們案子有分兩大類第一大類是當時的委員會決議書面報告送進來就可以同意動之 |
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第二大類是書面報告進來,經同意,使得凍結。前面叫報告案,後面是討論案。所以我們待會報告案如果大家沒有意見的話,就是按照我們上一次的委員會決議,報告後就可以凍結了。 |
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那至於如果報告案．個別委員．馬委員．那個如果報告案．如果屬於報告案．原則上報告就通過了．但是個別委員有意見本席還是尊重．是不是讓我知道一下．否則我們程序上是報告案過就過了．接下來尋答完．就處理經同意案．討論案．所以這個剛才已經宣讀的是報告案嗎．全部都宣讀完了喔．所以我本席現在這邊詢問就是說． |
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．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案 |
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來馬委員針對有一些書面報告案的部分他如果還有嚴重的問題比如說你的進度你明明說不出來這個部分我們還是有意見的不是因為他提出書面報告就可以通過我想這個我覺得我這是原則我現在先處理程序馬委員我了解你是把那幾個案的號碼給我我不知道要對幾案啦我把它挪到討論案也可以啦我的意思說你現在是不是可以告訴我是哪幾案 |
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9、10、11、12、15、16、21、22、24、27、33、37、38、39、40、41、42、47、50、54、55、56 |
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28、59、62、65、66、73、78（這個都是（29案（這個都是報告案（對（還是原來（報告案（討論事項有一個（討論上本來就可以要討論那個是還好（好 |
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那就還包括事項29案因為我們已經同意53案了同仁報告啦我們委員會決議的是書面報告就可以動之就不用再經過討論了那討論案我們就要進行討論最後來確定同意那剛才馬委員提出來的是其實是跟我們原來的決議有所不同 |
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但基於我們委員會和諧基本上我比較採取尊重的方式處理那我是建議說馬委員你這個案子有沒有可以等於說討論這個案子就可以涵蓋其他案子的不要鬧那麼多啦可以參與這個嗎 |
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你看一下好不好,因為我原則上我尊重你這樣子,我說應該討論就討論,但是因為畢竟我們上次委員會也決議的嘛,我們還是要尊重那個決議。那我們是不是,比如說我看起來你這有些案子是,其實是同系列的案子啦,並不是那麼多。那是不是那系列案子我只要有4個或3個,把它重點抓出來,整個案子就可以一體適用的。我們是不是抓這個重點來,不要一次29案都沒有處理這樣不好。 |
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不是29案沒有處理啊,它是有82案啦,已經有同意23案,好啦,我看多少好不好? |
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這樣好不好那個我們有關書面報告後使得動之的82案本席做一個但書我們帶馬文君委員把他提出有意見的29案整理出來那幾案不是不通過把他移到討論案尋答後處理那他沒有列出來的部分我們就照案通過各位有沒有意見 |
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馬委員提出疑慮要詢問的,我們把他移到討論案至於是哪幾案,我們給馬委員一些時間來處理他沒有提出的,就剛才念的範圍以內,不要再多了,可以比那個少,不要比那個多就是在其他的案子我們就照案通過 |
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原則上這82個凍結案均同意動之提報院會有一的部分我們帶馬委員整理出來之後我們把它移到討論案下階段處理報告事項3（處理外交部主管預算凍結案提出書面報告使動之的12案各位有沒有意見 |
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沒有的話我們就照案通過同意動之提報院會再來報告事項4國家安全局凍結案中的8案提出書面報告後使得動之各位有沒有異議沒有的話我們照案通過同意動之提報院會再來橋委會主管的預算凍結案中提出書面報告後使得動之計13案請問各位有沒有異議沒有的話我們均同意動之提報院會 |
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報告事項6（退府會主管預算凍結案中．提出書面報告後．使得凍滯案即14案．請問各位委員．對解凍有沒有異議．沒有的話均同意凍滯提報院會 |
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現在因為我們今天是幾乎我們國防外交委員會所有的主管部會都到了請各部會機關就其主管預算解凍案的報告案那個討論案進行報告依序為博鴻輝、田中光、柯承亨、阮昭雄、李文忠首先我們請國防部副部長博鴻輝上台報告 |
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主席．各位委員先進．感謝各位委員先進．長期關心國防事務運作．並給予本部各項指導．在此聲表敬意與感謝．今日安排議程．辦理預算解凍．既有陸軍司令部高登亮島馬頭．及公視整建工程等89案．計新台幣1億6682萬7千元． |
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其中報告事項82案（討論事項7案（本部均已將書面報告呈送大院（針對委員關切各項（各案的執行情況、檢討與精進（等作為均依決議事項要求來辦理。 |
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那麼各項的凍結預算均為本部施政所必須．請各位委員鼎力支持預算解凍．使各項國防施政及建軍規劃能夠順利推行謝謝好謝謝博鴻輝副部長接下來進行報告是外交部政務次長田中光 |
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主席、各位委員、各位先進,大家好。承蒙大院外交及國防委員會安排本部主管113年度公開預算凍結項目進行解凍。今日列入議程即有報告事項12案即590萬元,以及討論事項4案即270萬元。 |
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該等報告均已送交大院,此部分已納入大院議案關係文書,敬請各位委員參閱。 |
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為了持續推動各項重要的外交事務．敬請各位委員一本長期以來．對外交工作的關注以及支持．對本部蓄以督導以及鼓勵．並同意解除上項各項書面報告解凍案．以利本部業務之勝利推動．謝謝好謝謝田次請回接下來請國安局副局長柯承亨上台報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位縣長、大家好,非常感謝大院軍會安排審查本局113年度的預算解凍案。 |
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承蒙各位委員先進．對本局業務的指導與支持．僅至上最高的敬意跟謝贈本局113年度預算解凍案．有9案共570萬元各案的書面報告．均已於2月6日含請大院審查．其中列入討論事項的一案 |
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50萬元如附表為延續各項情報特勤工作的推展必須維持國安預算規模的穩定期盼大院委員本則以往支持國安工作的一貫立場繼續給予本局督促與鼓勵並同意解除上述各項凍結案以確保國家安全情報工作的順利推動謝謝 |
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好 請柯副局長回座接下來進行的是僑委會副委員長阮昭雄上台報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位先進,大家好。非常感謝大院外交及國防委員會安排本會主管113年度預算凍結項目進行解凍報告。承蒙各位委員先進對本會各項業務的指導與支持,在此致散最高的敬意及謝誠。 |
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本日列入報告事項十三案．480萬元相關書面．報告均與送交大院在案．如附表橋屋工作需考量橋區需求．依工作計劃事實推動．原籍需相關經費支持．必能發揮橋屋在國家發展之關鍵動能． |
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至委員前所關切之各項建議．本會軍會積極審慎妥儲．納入執行規劃．為維持推動各項重要僑務工作．敬請各位委員以本長期以來．對僑務工作的關注與支持．對本會蓄以督促與鼓勵．並同意解除上述各項解凍案．以利本會業務之順利推動．謝謝大家謝謝 |
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謝謝副委員長請回馬委員你那邊收斂的部分需不需要陸軍派人跟你一起討論一下我們現在請退府衛副主任委員李文忠副主委上台報告 |
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主席、各位委員、先進、各位女士、各位先生首先感謝各位委員本會113年度預算凍結案報告資料已經在2月19日函請大家查照其中報告事項醫學臨床教學研究等14案凍結案凍結金額計990萬元進行會員同意結凍 |
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好 謝謝副主委那再次跟我們同仁報告今天的會議比較長早上是解凍案我們下午是這個要修法那修法從宣讀法條兩個小時進行大體 |
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詳詳詳詳詳詳詳 |
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首先進行詢答的委員是羅美玲委員時間4加1分鐘羅委員早 |
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副部長早520我們賴清德總統即將要就任就如這個《紐約時報》所說的台灣的選民斷然拒絕北京賦予執政黨第三個總統的這個任期 |
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那賴總統他也承諾會延續我們蔡英文總統的這個兩岸的政策跟這個維持現狀那之前呢我曾經有請教過我們國安局的蔡局長我說有沒有任何的情資顯示就是說我們的賴清德總統上任之後呢兩岸 |
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．一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度 |
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提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（提高到2320億美金（ |
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凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算 |
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臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環臺灣絕對是印太和平很重要的一環 |
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協定合作夥伴關係。今年5月1日．沃爾本有舉辦了第6次外交國防部長級的2加2會議,納入了加強韓國、澳洲、日本三邊合作的內容,其中聯合聲明也特別強調維護臺海和平穩定的重要性。所以我想請教副部長,臺灣有沒有可能成為 |
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未來Plus的部分有沒有可能? |
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謝謝委員這麼詳盡的這樣對地區情勢的分析我想我們國防部站在夜館立場對於全球關心台海安全這件事情我們表示感激因為現在破壞地區安全和秩序的我們很明顯知道中共對我們的威脅在每天的所有國防部所公布的所有情節裡面可以看到它幾乎都在我們台海周邊活動甚至於 |
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在菲律賓、日本甚至到關島我想這個整個區域破壞這個國際秩序來講全球都引發了嚴重的關切我想地區的和平和穩定是理念相同國家都應該要共同維持的至於說台灣適不適合加入到這樣子的 |
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所有的ARCS這樣子的一個在區域安全合作會議裡面的要項我想我們台灣基於在全球是民主自由的國家我們當然希望和理念相同的國家共同建立這樣子的一個機制但是我必須要強調我們可以看到台海的狀況哪怕是今天美方宣布了重大的軍售 |
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中共都採取報復的行動和措施那我想在這樣子的情況之下我們國家所處的環境大家必須了解我們如何真正能夠握到每一雙手我們不見得我們今天很高調去做但是實際上從事真正的這樣子的一個這樣合作關係我想從世界所對台海關切的聲音已經表達了我們今天合作的這樣子未來的意向我想這樣子是一個非常好的開始 |
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所以副部長也覺得說其實我們加入任何一類似這樣的組織可能都會觸動中國敏感的這個神經所以我們會另外用其他的方式跟各國加深軍事合作是嗎?對因為我之前我有看到就是說澳洲的副首相也就是他們的國防部長就說其實AUKUS不是他認定他不是一個安全同盟他說應該是技術共享型 |
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那這樣子是不是會讓說這個組織會敏感性會比較降低我那時候在想說臺灣是不是有機會未來加入PLUS的這個部分當然我們希望爭取這個我們在未來都是努力的方向OK好以上謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝羅美玲委員那個馬委員 |
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我看不到,你那同意62不同意10,我看不到,什麼意思?報告是182案 |
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14案在下面這裡本席補宣告一下我們剛才報告案都已經通過了其中第9案、第12案、第15案、第16案、第21案、第24案、第37案、第39案、第42案 |
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第55案（第58案（第65案（第66案（第73案等14案改移至討論案。好那其他的都通過了好接下來進行詢問委員是沈伯陽委員時間4加1 |
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有請國防部跟退輔會,國防部是伯父嗎?來,伯父部長跟李文忠副主委 |
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因為今天是跟預算有關的所以我最主要就是只是在追我們在這幾次質詢跟一些回覆的情形不複雜那第一個就是說這一個最早的時候是問到這些灰色地帶的一些應對準則那這個並沒有期限所以只是說希望日後我們針對這一個灰色地帶的這些準則能夠盡快的來做一些討論 |
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中科院 檢察院 紅准前建 通訊安全 |
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讓其他人知道說到底這個尤其是我們的敵國知道我們現在通訊發展到什麼程度那目前來講有一些加密的狀況應該都已經沒什麼問題但還有一些需要改進的地方那這個有已經在辦公室討論過了那人力這個問題我覺得當然有點非戰之罪但可能還是要在這一陣子研擬一些方案因為畢竟昨天這個聽海軍的說明是的確在這個海軍號的部分在前期的時候都已經劃不好人力了但問題就還是出在說整體海軍的人力就是比較不足啦 |
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這個當然是招募的問題我覺得可能也是非戰之罪那這個下面這一個跟這個陸海空這個服役條例的一個修正案那本來是在跟退輔會但是國防部也有來討論那時候有在講說是不是在這一個國安法相關的法例也應該做一併的修正那這個我們也已經修正了所以已經送出去了這個也沒問題 |
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抗彈板跟頭盔最主要還是頭盔因為頭盔現在已經換了測試的方式換了測試的方式顯然會有一些明顯的改善所以這個也還好所以退伏盔這個我待會說所以我現在就針對這個紅准紅准這個部分當時我們在問的時候最主要是在問訓練跟存放的問題因為就是要時兵時彈時地 |
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這都是當時的PowerPoint說仗在哪裡打部隊在哪裡訓最主要我們是要問目前儲存的一些措施然後安全措施是否完善最主要就是因為之前雲林的事件因為有時候你一存放居民一說什麼彈藥庫等等之類的 |
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．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。．國防部主管預算凍結案等16案。 |
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OK嗎?因為這等於好像沒有回答到之前的問題,所以不知道胡副在這邊有沒有什麼其他說明,或者說之後針對這個事情有沒有要做一些補充? |
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委員有關於這個紅準火箭彈存放的問題第一個先要看存放的環境那第二個是要看支援的部隊那它都跟它的作戰分區有關係所以你基於這樣子的一個考量我們在實際上存放的這樣子的一個方式事實上我不建議在這邊討論它位置在哪裡屬性在哪裡但是有關於存管的方式我相信我們這國軍在歷次有關於彈藥庫的評估和環境的評估甚至於跟 |
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地方上安全的間隔距離這都是必須要考量所以整體上來講雖然這個答的很簡單但是我相信實質上內容如果委員想知道的話我們可以到委員辦公室再詳細的說明我想基本上存放跟上次幾個條例和關係都有關係所以這也討論到我們將來如何來相互支援這個彈藥的問題我們都把它考量進去 |
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好,那這沒問題,我覺得如果說要到辦公室說明,因為有時候怕過度機密等等,所以這都沒問題,但可能也可以在文書上面先寫一下,就是說不然的話,這個回答說真的好像有點太短了,那再來我是要問這個退府相關的,那這個很快啦, |
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這個紅准的這個部分我就跳過說跟雲林的有點類似啦那這個就是上次講的那個質押探索因為其實這個上次跟這個副主委好像也有在討論到就是說質押探索的成效不錯啦所以呢那時候是有在講說這個質押探索他expand就是他有沒有能夠做得更多然後呢讓這個效益更好然後以及呢就是目前評估效益的方式但因為問這個問題問得比較晚所以這個部分還沒有得到這個退伏會的這個相關的這些說明所以呢 |
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這個看是不是在這一個這兩個禮拜之內看能不能針對質押探索的這一個部分成效可以讓我們知道因為接下來往下就要到進入到預算會期了那我一直都覺得質押探索應該會對不管是退服或者說即將要退役的這個幫助應該是蠻大的 |
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是,跟委員報告,我們職場探索辦得非常好每一次的吳季敏就來受信的都是國軍現任官兵滿意度超過百分之九十幾我們一再期待能夠國軍有十分之一,未來是全部但是國防部因為他們的戰信朋友太多所以現在增加有困難,困難在國防部好,沒問題,那這個我們之後再來看要怎麼辦因為時間有限,到這邊,謝謝 |
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好,謝謝沈博安委員,各位請回。接下來進行巡禮委員,黃仁委員。有請我們國副部長。那個,博,博副部長喔。對。黃仁早。好,早。 |
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關於無人機反制的系統按由113年度陸軍司令部的第五目向無人機的反制系統預算凍結200萬的一個案子請問我們副部長無人機的反制系統招標是否限制國內廠商的參標如果最後由國外廠商得標或者是變成代理商得標 |
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是不是反而戳破扶持這個廠商的一個問題以及所謂的國家隊過去經濟部有提出了四個廠商那第一個就是結恆科技第二是創世達科技第三是創未來科技及雷神 |
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雷聲科技給國防部做無人機反制的系統那這個所謂的扶植國內的廠商是不是最後忠告失敗這個問題所在是什麼原因謝謝委員關心這樣子的一個議題我想 |
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全球在尋求無人機市場的時候它這個市場非常大那我們在國防自主上來講我們當然是尋求去除紅色供應鏈是唯一優先的考量那第二個我們必須要考量國內的廠商如果在發展上來講就跟委員剛剛講的幾家公司來講我們都去評估過那我們也希望在未來來講事實上這也牽扯到我們國內的無人機發展的未來 |
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那我們當然希望能夠以這個為主但是我們也不放棄如果說在國外很多的新創公司的降無人機系統上來講如果對即時能夠支援我們的無人機系統上來講有所幫助的話我們也在考量之類所以這是要 |
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看不管是國內國外如何做一個平衡來支援我們的作戰部隊我想這是優先考量快速的支援是我們的未來的方向因為時間因素簡短的就是因為目前這個所謂的這四家廠商其實他所研究的每一個效能他的能量 |
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確實是有問題結果在這家廠商裡面據我知道的也了解了各有不同的見解跟看法而且所研究出來並不是達到你們陸軍的本身的這個效能所以陸軍才另起爐燒真的是浪費公帑所以我覺得如果假使 |
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重新的自私加工這個廠商又回頭過來的參標參標的話你們的看法如何 |
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報告員我想陸軍在評估這個的時候他是基於時效性的問題他希望能夠整合這四家公司能夠提供我們所需要的性能和那個規格但這四家公司各有長處所以我們陸軍在考量的時候當時因為時間非常短建築時間非常短所以他雖然各公司都有不同的長處可是在這裡面來講我們是希望說能夠把這個系統做一個整合將來 |
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我們可能中科醫院也就負責這樣子的一個系統整合功能也就是說我國內很多在性能上來講他沒有火功的那我事實上中科醫院有具備這樣能力如何把他整併在一個系統上面那這是我們未來考量並不代表說他今天沒有沒有達到他標準未來就沒有資格來參標那這個我們希望鼓勵我們的在國內發展小型無人機能夠達到世界的規格那這個是我們未來期待所以 |
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陸軍所定的只是時間上來講要求規格非常高所以在這種情況下又短的時間這四家公司經濟部所提供的所謂的扶持國內的廠商的定義就是因為希望能夠成立一個國家隊 |
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那既然這四項裡面又造成了陸軍本身所經過後來他本身的一些每一個廠商你們已經檢視過了並不符合所以如果假使 |
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他們在這四家廠商又回來在招標來參標的話恐怕最後得標的恐怕會引起了變成一個弊端所以這個是我本席要提醒提醒你 |
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因為我會關注這個案子關注這個案子好不好好謝謝委員關心麻煩你們審慎不要浪費公帑不會不會我們一定在所有的把關的過程當中如何符合我們國際需求同樣我也希望我們廠商能夠達到我們的這樣要求我想在這方面我會努力好謝謝委員提醒好謝謝黃仁委員各位請回好接下來進行詢問委員陳冠廷委員 |
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副委員長,你應該知道俄羅斯在入侵烏克蘭之後接受到多少制裁?目前你覺得是幾項制裁? |
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就是他從目前所理解的各種比如說各國支援給烏克蘭的一些武器裝備那俄羅斯有做一些展示出來 |
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基本上齁 抱歉我可能你可能不太理解我的問題我說國際間給俄羅斯有什麼樣的制裁到目前為止大概有16500多項制裁那包含對他外匯儲備上面的凍結3500億美金左右 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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他們持續的大量購買黃金那已經到達了2262噸的新高部長是否有注意到這個狀況你覺得這是不是一個危險風險的評估在升高因為當他做這個準備的時候他就是從俄羅斯那邊有學到了他知道他會對他們的外匯做這個制裁各個國際都會但是他如果用黃金的話是不是有一個我們的安全的狀況此區的安全狀況是不是有風險的提高 |
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感謝委員的指導的確從俄烏戰爭俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭之後事實上中共也不斷的在看就是國際上對俄羅斯怎麼的制裁還有在俄烏作戰攻防的過程當中中共也在學習譬如說俄羅斯受到的制裁裡面未來假設中共 |
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有些他沒辦法像俄羅斯有那麼強的一個因應的一個能力比如說俄羅斯對糧食、能源、礦產各方面他有很多他自給自足的實力那現在國際上對俄羅斯的制裁最大的問題就是說 |
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有一些國家事實上還是不斷地從俄羅斯購買石油天然氣所以事實上我們可以看出俄羅斯雖然在作戰而且受到制裁但是他的經濟的發展事實上還是不斷地在做成長還有他的軍工產業就是重建復甦的能量相當強相當強 |
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部長我想這些都是我們觀察到的現象特別是說他為什麼能夠重建他的軍工產業當然是中國的資源不管是軍事資源、間接資源都不斷的在提供這個俄羅斯的戰爭的系統持續在下去不然這樣子的制裁其實是非常全面的也就是說我們可以從中學到說如果俄羅斯儘管在面對這麼多的制裁他還是 |
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面臨這樣子的這種來自中國的這種支援來自北韓來自伊朗的話那我們也必須要預作準備包含他們過去在堡壘化他們的國家已經就是在準備在對烏克蘭侵略之前就已經在準備準備堡壘化所有的包含你剛剛提到的礦場資源等等還有包含跟中國之間的關係都預先準備如果這已經是一個事先就知道的命題 |
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國安局必須要把他所有現在俄羅斯哪些是有效的制裁哪些沒有用的制裁全部統整之後必須完整的你們當然有自己的國安匯報然後統整給國防部給經濟部給財政部因為這些我們必須在今天嚇阻明天的戰爭 |
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所以我們今天有得到這些資訊是非常重要的中國現在很明顯的是在學習俄羅斯怎麼樣因應西方國家制裁的方法這是在戰略方面嘛他們要透過黃金避免自己受美元的制裁嘛包含他們各種這種在其他的這種外匯的這種準備不是以美金為主開始在大量的在釋放出這個美債我們都可以看出這個信息是不斷的在提高的所以風險的溝通非常重要我們包含國防部包含外交部我們不能夠跟他說一切都在掌控之下 |
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我們能夠掌控的當然權利去掌控但是有很多地方也在進化的部分我們必須要把這些訊息跟所有的國民講 |
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在立法院就是一個溝通的管道剛才你談到俄羅斯我們也談到中國中俄的合作情報總監美國情報總監海恩斯已經在他的聽證會上面有示警中國跟俄羅斯開始在台灣問題的進行軍事演練那他們也希望在台灣問題上面的合作那過去俄羅斯對中國當然是有地緣政治上面的競爭那還有與日本之間的他北方的四島的真正關係那我想請教這樣子的俄羅斯跟中國之間的這樣子的合作這就是給我們另外一個話語權跟日本加強合作 |
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因為很明顯的中俄之間會在中俄之間合作之後．包含在北方四島．他們對日本的壓力是怎麼樣．對台灣的壓力是怎麼樣．這個部分的情質有沒有掌握到．因為我必須要從美國的情報總監海恩斯上面．才聽到類似這樣的事情．副局長你怎麼看待這樣的合作 |
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根委員報告當然日俄關係隨著二五戰爭之後的確有變化然後包括俄羅斯以前跟日本的一些對話也都被取消那我們也會加強跟周邊國家跟理念相同的國家在安全議題上 |
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有更多的對話．有更多的對話．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說．主要是在講這件事情的原因就是說． |
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好,謝謝陳冠軍委員。好,各位請回。好,接下來進行詢問的委員是林楚瑩委員。謝謝主席。主席有請國安局科副局長。來,科副局長請。 |
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委員好副局長好今年的3月21號的時候我曾經質詢過蔡局長當時是有關於就是說國人現在前往香港旅行的時候是不是風險增加因為當時我們討論到的是香港實施了所謂的23條喔不知道 |
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副局長早上有沒有看到這一則自由時報的最新新聞就是中國4月26號有一個國安新規提前實施那麼國人現在到中國去的話如果你有帶手機筆電可能都需要小心一點隨時可能被抽查我先請問這個你們有收到這個訊息嗎有看到這個新聞嗎 |
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各位委員報告我有看到這則訊息因為它規定本來是7月1號開始實施但是目前據一些民眾反映在不同的城市已經它的平板跟手機已經被抽檢了好比如說哪些城市目前你收到的訊息 |
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好像上海跟深圳有一些地方好像上海跟深圳其實是國人前往中國的時候非常主要的一個入境出口的城市因為包括我們的飛機有直航嗎是嗎現在有有好那麼所謂的這個23條跟現在中國國安部所公佈的國安新規裡面的規定跟規則到底是什麼副局長有沒有掌握 |
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我跟委員報告23條是在香港但是他國安新規這些行政程序的一些加強檢查的是全國性而且他對境外人士事實上都有等於擴大的一個範圍 |
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言下之意就是說事實上也不是只有臺灣人啦等於是說全世界的這個旅客進入中國現在只要7月1號他們實施的這個所謂中國國安部的條規條40條的規定那就是國家安全機關可以依照各可以針對個人的組織個人或組織的電子設備來進行盤查而且 |
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跟委員報告 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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從去年他修訂反間諜法跟制定保守國家秘密法反滲透法這些之後風險就很高坦白講他還沒有訂這些規定之前國人跟外國人很多到大陸去手機平板一樣被檢查以前沒有法律規定他現在把它法制化而已所以言下之意是那麼變成是如果現在 |
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中國現在要求的是他們在4月28號開放中國的團客到馬祖之後接下來包括在野黨的委員有到中國去也極力的要求台灣要全面開放團客到中國去那麼這個部分的安全事項或者是對於國人的警示或者是我們自己在國安的掌握上面 |
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請問國安局現在有沒有做一些更進一步的了解因為就是這樣喔我們都希望開開心心的出門平平安安的回家但是如果現在多了這條法規就如同你所說的法制化了那它會不會有可能當我們的國人團體到了中國去之後暴露更高的風險 |
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當時3月21號我在質詢的時候我特別提醒的是說香港是比較多國人會以自由行的方式去前往的所以當時局長是直接說去香港整體的危險警示是往上拉升的那麼現在如果說在野黨要求我們要全面開放的時候這些中國所設下的國安規定你們有沒有評估有沒有給予交通跟觀光相關的單位一些建言那麼你們的建議又是什麼 |
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公務員報告這個風險是絕對加高的 |
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我個人我引用香港特首李家超的一句話就好香港的國安法通過之後有議員問他如果家裡有以前的蘋果日報會不會違反他說違反國安法就是連你以前看的一些收集的一些報紙只要他認為你支持反送中的都違反國安法更何況說我們那麼多國人進去他看到你平常聯繫的對象還有你時常一些 |
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所看的網頁、他們所禁止的網頁、網站這些都是支援民主人權理念的這些他很容易就找個理由就幫你扣下來以國安法來辦所以言下之意這些危險係數都是因為隨著中國的國安法以及香港的基本法第23條都升高的因為時間有限今天時間比較寶貴我希望國安局這邊給我一份就是如果現在真的要打算全面解決 |
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就是全面的解除團客進入中國的時候的相關的國安的你們的所有的報告跟評估,可不可以給我一份?好,我們再提供給委員好,謝謝下一位請,王定宇委員好,麻煩博鴻輝副部長 |
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待會有詢問的部分如果涉及機敏影響國家利益的話你可以不說但如果能夠盡量透明的讓納稅人知道目前我們國家安全或者國防事務的話我們還是盡量透明第一個我先請教一個有關博騰專案Link22現在是不是已經得到批准了 |
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透明這件事情在現在Link-22事實上還是我們為什麼媒體都報導了對但是這是純屬媒體報導我認為我還不適合在這邊跟你來表達因為Link-22這件事情比較特別就是說我們之前有Link-16那個是公開的啦Link-16呢它通過一個看起來不大筆的預算其實很有意義增強通訊及網路安全它指的是在交換 |
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交換軍事相關資訊的時候的網路安全．另一個16提升案．這個也許不大．還提供了相關數百人次的服務．但那個看起來是一個軍事合作．軍事共同作業的準備 |
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那軍事合作軍事共同合作當然就不是我軍而已嘛牽涉到友軍所以Link16在上個月通過之後那一筆那一個軍售案其實它有一個相當大的意義代表台灣在區域安全網絡裡面它的建構 |
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往前走了一步這是Link-16這個公開資訊那Link-22其實是建構是因為它跟北約有關係所以Link-22如果同意的話第一個在地緣政治跟外交上有意義代表說北約它的成員國都同意了第二個它提升跟盟友交換情資因為它有一些新的東西所以本席還是回到這個命題在博騰專案裡面 |
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Link-22會不會執行．有沒有障礙．或者不方便說?報告委員,我想您剛所提到．不管是16也好．20也好．這都是先進的所謂的．我們在未來來講．一個共同圖像．或CIP裡面非常重要的一個手段．所以在各國家來講．這都是它最基本的要求．那我們國家事實上在未來先進裝備裡面．你要做整合的話． |
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把所有武器系統整合在一個介面上或是鏈路上這個是一個非常好的方式整合幾個部分我們國內的三個軍種的整合我們陳文康委員也提過圖資小到比例尺你看到的位置跟我看到的位置是不同的位置 |
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大到跨軍種．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨軍種．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨軍種．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國之間盟友的整合．大到跨國 |
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不是這個鏈結系統而已它要花大錢的報委員這個是要分階段性看你的任務屬性還有你的裝備是不是能夠結合我把這問題收斂一點Link 16大概公開資訊就已經講了那Link 22是不是我們國家要 |
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要追求或進行的方向這都是我們未來必須考量的方向那令科二舍目前有沒有障礙還是障礙排除之前的問題沒有障礙沒有障礙好令科二舍的取得沒有障礙那我題外話問一件事情最近我看到唐華也去了那個就剛卸任的印太司令部的司令然後接下來梅家樹去新就任的印太司令部的司令看起來好像有著軍裝 |
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今年的2024年環太平洋軍演即將要舉行我國 |
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不管是實質上或民意上有沒有派員參與?報告委員我想這件事情從1996年這個臺海島的試射到現在為止對於這個RINPAC演習我們都積極的爭取要參與這樣的演習但目前來講因為這多國的演習不是只有關於美國它還牽涉到各國家的地緣戰略和政治的問題所以我們在這樣的區塊之下我們極力的還是要爭取像這樣的國際行動也上一次RINPAC |
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每日在第二階段軍演的時候提到周邊事態那個其實對台灣很有實質意義也跟台灣相關我印象是在2022年的8月那個時候是岸信夫還主動揭露他們在 |
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第二階段真正的盟軍的軍演裡面把台海跟美日相關列入他們科目裡面在2022年那個時候剛好中共把台灣周邊劃了七塊當時這個議題被視為就是rebalance |
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讓共軍的雄兵督武受到嚇阻今年每兩年一次今年大概七、八月又要還臺北洋軍演了既然兩次其實每一次跟臺海周邊事務都相當有關不管是東海、臺海、南海今年臺灣很明顯我們並沒有受到邀請正式邀請應該沒有吧沒有實質的參與有沒有還是不方便講 |
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包委員有關於這樣子的一個議題台海的狀況始終是全球關注的焦點所以不管你今天是在RAMPAC演習或在任何的ARCS他們之間的討論議題上都在議題都跟我們有關科目也都跟我們有關我在邏輯上的判斷都跟我們有關我們家不可能沒有人在那裡嘛 |
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報告委員關於這個我也不方便在這裡跟你報告你會不會講我尊重我的意思是說其實那個所有的科目都跟我們有關這樣都跟我們有關如果我們沒有人在那裡那個軍演不就開玩笑嗎但是我覺得我尊重該保密的就保密但是國家安全除了我們自己強化自己的能力以外區域的合作其實也是安全的要素好不好你們加油謝謝謝謝委員長 |
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好,謝謝黃定義委員那,下一位是這個林益君委員,謝謝主席好,有請國防部副部長來,國防部副部長另外一組 |
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1959年的時候美國分別在意大利和土耳其這兩個北約的前線國家部署了中程核子飛彈射程可以直接打到莫斯科因此當時的蘇聯作為回應除了因此大幅增加對古巴的軍事援助外還秘密的也在古巴部署了中程飛彈 |
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當時美國和蘇聯兩個核子國家差點就因為情勢的誤判引發核子戰爭這就是國際間的古巴飛彈危機所以最近美國在菲律賓北部部署了颱風武器戰那北京政府也馬上公布了 |
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公布了中共軍委會的副主席和魏東接見古巴的政治部主任如獲的新聞甚至宣布會繼續支持古巴的軍隊建設雖然部署在菲律賓的泰豐武器站射程不到北京就連美國現役的戰斧巡弋飛彈也沒有核彈頭的版本但本席還是覺得若繼續在這樣的雙方的情勢發展下去 |
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是否有一種重演當年的古巴飛彈危機的升溫過程?那請問副部長你覺得這次的事件會如何影響東亞的政治局勢呢?報告委員有關於這樣的核彈危機你也可以曉得最近美中雙方在未來的AI系統如何去掌控這樣的核威脅的時候各國家都在降溫因為事實上來講二霧的戰爭最近我們也看到俄羅斯為了這個戰爭 |
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也在進行所謂的戰術性核武的這樣子的一個演訓的活動那我想這樣子的一個方式全球都在關切也都在降溫的情況之下如果要回到古巴那個時候的核彈危機的我想這種可能性大家都可能很理智的在控制這樣子的一個國際安全 |
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中海軍艦是我國海軍現存唯一在海戰中集成中共軍艦的工訓艦 |
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而且有一個歷史的意義然後我們的中海軍艦已經閒置在高雄奇景碼頭很長的一段時間了經過了解去年112年海軍文化部有先前傳出有意接手活化利用的臺南市政府在去年共事委先由中央負責修復工程並由文化部還有海軍共同編列7330萬元 |
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的中海艦．基礎維護的現況調查計畫．所以在這樣考量的活化在利用之前．海軍應該儘速完成修復工程．但是從你們之前送來的．預算解凍來看起來．最後還是沒有協調成功．那對我們這一艘工訓艦．國防部最後還是要想要把它拆除嗎．還是不斷的編列預算讓它浮在馬頭上呢．而且還有海軍在今年113年度的．國防預算編列3300萬． |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算 |
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潘委員我想我們也在協調文化部他事實上4000多萬海軍自籌款我們也在做我們事實上來講基本上來講我們希望這個歷史能夠保存那不管是高雄市政府或台南市政府我們也在文化部的積極協調之下我們希望這個艦將來能夠把它整修完畢以後還是呈現一個歷史的原貌供給國人來參訪 |
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我想這個是非常重要的手段我們還在跟國防部在做協調據我了解我可以提供一下像國家退役的軍艦再改當軍艦博物館的展出其實在美國、日本還有英國都有很多相關的傳統像我們看一下左邊的這些簡報就是美國還有日本還有英國都有這樣的例子我們其實可以參考而且台灣唯一現在的軍艦博物館在台南 |
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我們的中海軍艦作為中華民國的海軍現存極少的工訓艦難道不應該保留下來嗎?作為後代的後代了解歷史還有了解國軍如何在一場場的血腥戰役中守衛國家的見證嗎?當然我們一定要保留它所以我們這個跟文化部在合作那至於說它怎麼樣表流的方式在哪個縣市政府我想這個都是將來 |
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這個艦艇所做的成展．如果放任何縣市政府．我覺得它都是對縣市政府．文化是有加分的作用．我們也鼓勵縣市政府．來爭取這樣子的一個．所謂的一個中海艦的一個成展方式因為中央的文化部．其實指出這個是重要的文物了那為國防部應該要 |
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我覺得是不太夠積極的修復我們會積極之後再活化利用然後也可以考慮把整個船吊掛在路上來存放其實我覺得這個是一個畢竟它是集成中共軍艦完成使命的重要的工程所以我們希望這個可以盡早謝謝委員的提醒是我們會努力謝謝委員好謝謝林玉君委員好各位請回謝謝接下來進行訓導委員馬文君委員 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩請外交部田次長來,田次長請委員長 |
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市長早就我們外交部的相關業務其實有很多不管是在邦交國、非邦交國我們對於國際的援助各方面其實我們都琢磨很多那近期其實有一個比較沸沸揚揚的就是外交部氣急敗壞的去告了立法委員我想要請教一下我們跟捷克共和國簽署的有關建立促進烏克蘭重建初級醫療照護能量 |
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介克方面他們是怎麼看待這件事情?介克這方面他們因為跟烏克蘭地緣上非常相近那也都是民主國家的陣營發生了這個事情呢那麼台灣當然是第一個國家可以說出來協助烏克蘭 |
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這一點要特別利用這機會謝謝國人同胞在第一時間聚集了700多萬的物資還有5000多萬的資金那麼去協助難民這個舉動把臺灣又跟世界民主聯盟又緊密的結合在一起當然因為這個戰爭在2022年2月24號開始以後 |
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我要問的是我們跟捷克因為協助烏克蘭的難民或者協助他們更多的醫療的量能那個部分我相信國人還有我們立法院沒有反對所以在預算審查的時候這個部分是沒有受到太多的影響 |
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可是我們既然付出了這樣子的資金或者我們的經費預算的援助我想要請教我們列為密件剛剛我提到的就是我們援助烏克蘭的這個部分那捷克方面他們是怎麼看待跟我們簽署的這一份文件資料外交部有掌握嗎有掌握這個是捷克怎麼說怎麼看他們也列為非常機密嗎 |
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每個國家他要怎麼做那他國家有他的制度去遵循那在我們國家呢好那次長我們看一下捷克外交部的文刊在他的現代經濟外交雜誌這也是官媒在3月26號的時候有揭露 |
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發布這一千萬美元這分三年期的部分．他是公開揭露在3月26號．收錢的國家他都已經公開了．可是我們給錢的國家我們把它列為機密．而且因為這樣去提告．我想要請教一下我們現在就不要用我們國內的．機密資料好了我們就用捷克的公開資料．他上面有提到． |
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還有我框起來的這一部分還有其他的貨物由臺灣政府支柱﹖然後其中支持的條件是30%的供貨量來自臺灣企業這是在他們的 |
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2（三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2（三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2（三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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我先回答問題就好時間的關係回答我的問題就好因為捷克沒有中共在對付他臺灣的情況就是跟人家不一樣聽好我的問題 |
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今天捷克已經公開說我們付了這樣的錢他在3月26號就已經公開中共看不到他們的相關的文宣公開的資料嗎?你怕中共什麼?你今天做對的事情你怕中共什麼?今天中共他會影響我們什麼? |
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今天他已經提出來30%是要買是我們捐出去的錢裡面30%要買台灣的企業的醫療用品這一點你怎麼看這是我們台灣要求的還是捷克要求的回答我這個問題就好台灣的醫療在國際間是非常有名的誰要求的誰要求的次長回答我的問題誰要求這30%的預算要買台灣的 |
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醫療用品臺灣產的臺灣企業的誰要求的是捷克方面還是臺灣方面回答這個問題就好我請師長回答這個所協助的區域他是站在回答我這裡面捷克公開的資訊裡面這30%要跟臺灣的企業買這是捷克要求的這是我方要求的這是我方要求的為什麼這樣要求 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算 |
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我們的副總統當選人他當時是去哪裡?傑克是有受到這樣的影響?我講的是受到協助的巫東地區是最危險的地區因此我們基於跟傑克政府的信任傑克他們政府願意冒這個險 |
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他們願意派人到烏東地區去醫院實際上去觀察回答我的問題回答我的問題這30%要跟台灣的企業買是捷克要求的還是我們台灣要求是我方要求因為我們希望他們幫我們去戰亂的地區去看看當地實際上需要什麼然後他們看了需要什麼之後呢 |
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我們基於政府之間的信任所以我們希望結構政府依據當地的需求去進行採購那你既然是跟台灣採購你就直接自己台灣採購送過去就好了阿幹嘛要把錢給人家我知道是救人的這個不用你說聽完我的話聽完我的話 |
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今天你說他們要幫我們送如果是台灣的物資台灣有什麼樣他只要列出清單我們買了以後還是可以給他們這個你是多此一舉你把錢給了人家人家再把錢付給我們然後跟我們台灣的企業買這是台灣要求我現在先問今天先問這樣的問題今天在公 |
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外國公開的資訊上面今天中共會打壓難道他看了捷克的公開資訊他不會打壓嗎今天如果要去救援救難要協助難民中共還敢打壓我們嚴厲譴責今天如果你花了納稅人的錢還可以耀武揚威的告立法委員這是外交部非常可恥的一個問題今天如果說我們就這個部分對外國都公開了收錢的國家都公開了你在隱秘什麼 |
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這個部分我們還是希望接下來可以要求為什麼我們要這樣子在MOU上面要求我們要30%買台灣企業的醫療用品而是這樣子反覆的這樣的程序外交部要給個說法謝謝 |
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就這樣子我們可以排秘密審查大家好好來問至於本國是否維持密集文件跟他國其實是兩件不一樣的事情各位請為大家讓其他委員來詢答接下來進行詢答的委員是洪森漢委員 |
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請博士長來博副副部長不好意思博副部長歡迎早那個我今天想要來跟外交部這邊來討論的事情是關於這個全民國防課程跟全民國防教育的問題齁這個下一張齁 |
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這個副部長你看一下我們其實通過的全民國防教育法裡面其實有清楚的講到這個本法所稱的全民國防教育其範圍其實包括了所謂社會教育這一環其實這個副部長其實應該清楚嘛 |
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那不曉得可是我今天在這個法規上面我其實看到一個蠻奇怪的地方我們看到其實負責學校教育的教育部他們是怎麼做的他們其實訂了一個執法叫做各級學校全民國防教育課程內容及實施辦法在這個實施辦法這個執法下面他明確的規劃了包括課程規劃、師職待遇等等因素來把這個在全民國防教育法下面 |
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主管預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算 |
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社會教育是不是也是國防部其實該去執行該去接觸的業務是不是報告委員這個社會教育本來就是我們要但過去並沒有在這個國防法裡面我們國防部有含在社會教育那我想這個是非常重要的社會教育難道國防部不用去做嗎社會教育不是國防部對沒有錯去處理全民國防教育的責任嗎是或不是是是那教育部訂了相關的執法國防部有沒有訂 |
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來我請我們政戰局局長來回答 |
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委員好跟委員報告在社會教育的部分我們沒有訂相關的執法但是我們辦理各項的以活動為主還有設置相關的節目比如說全民新世界這個節目年收視率有800多萬人次那個局長我要講剛剛教育部有訂了以後他們這幾年一直到現在他們的失職有到多少人目前總數知不知道總共有2100人是好請問 |
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國防部在社會教育上面的師資目前多少人知不知道社會教育在講座的部分目前是44位的師資44位的師資你覺得夠不夠 |
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以目前來講我們是可以滿足需求滿足需求是因為我們都是由各公務機關或民間機構來提需你們只有44個而且我跟大家說國防部的44個都是要求助理教授以上博士學歷戰略學資的這些上校或現職人員其實這些都是在軍中相對於是精英的隊伍 |
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你覺得他有多少時間有辦法來做這些社會教育的課程他平常執他的勤務執行他的業務 |
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他有多少時間可以來做這些社會教育的工作?因為各單位提需目前我們都可以滿足那如果未來各縣市政府或者民營機構他們有需求在師資培育這方面我們可以增開班次部長跟副部長我要跟大家說其實現在我們在國防部這邊在處理的全民國防教育裡面我們看到的事情是需求跟供給 |
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斷鏈其實社會上面現在有越來越多的民防的團隊他需要相關的教育其實有非常非常多的熱忱他們需要很多這樣子的培訓但他們不會找國防部為什麼你們是不是太少了要要下到這邊去做這些請你們講做教育很困難啊所以你把你的功績做得很少你就說沒有需求這會不會有點道果為因 |
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確認現在我們的民防團隊都沒有要來跟國防部來申請師資去培訓的需求嗎?確定嗎?我的理解不是這樣喔是,跟委員報告一下,義政司那邊也有跟我們有接觸那我們也有提到就是說,如果有全民國防教育講座的師資需求我們全力來協助,包含培訓都可以 |
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所以我等一下跟你說的事情是恐怕是因為你的供給太少了所以需要的人他就不會找國防部嘛他自己去找他民間的師資嘛甚至這些民間師資現在遇到問題有沒有國防部來做相關的認證符不符合資格我覺得現在看起來國防部並沒有積極的作為啊就我的理解這些民間的師資也都沒有辦法得到國防部的認證啊 |
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報告委員我想我們自然局在過去來講社會教育他因為在執法上並沒有明確規定所以他委員講得沒有錯他兼職的他現在任務也很繁重所以44個44夠不夠他的任務平常就繁重而且他是在部隊裡的精英的階層他怎麼去做這些事情 |
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所以我要說的事情是為什麼我們不能比照教育部該有相關的執法該有相關的規定把我的目標把我的需求把我的人的來源跟經費其實全部都可以在這邊給明定清楚的為什麼不能比照可以可以我們現在委員在提醒事實上來講社會教育是非常重要的是 |
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那未來如何和教育部這樣取得一個平衡我想我們國防部會努力教育部當然他處於的是在學校教育的部分他不會處於到社會教育這樣子的模式我們看我們國軍如何在未來來擴大實質的範圍尤其是我們現在在討論全民國防其實這是現在很重要的概念 |
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如果還是用現在的制度跟現在這種施肢的量的話我們怎麼來因應我們要跟大家說我們要來做全民國防或全民動員所以我要請國防部這邊幾個評估好不好完善社會教育相關的執法規章包括建立訓練課程該有的認證制度 |
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這部分也是現在我們有很多民防團隊他們請的師資也是很需求的部分不然大家並不知道哪一個師資是真的有能力來進行紅委員請順便講最後的題目那副長我們三個月以內提出書面報告幾個月可以?三個月可以嗎?好的三個月提出規劃的報告對嗎?好的沒問題謝謝委員提醒謝謝紅色漢委員好各位請回接下來進行尋答的委員是鄭天才委員 |
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主席．各位委員．有請國防部副部長．還有外交部次長．田次長．跟博副部長請中委長．副部長好．中華民國政府．來到台灣．從大陸撤退到台灣．到現在．國防部．我們中華民國的國防部． |
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包括軍人或者是武器有沒有去支援過其他的國家從民國38年車隊到臺灣之後有沒有 |
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目前來講從以前到現在過去到現在為止我們過去有少數的案例在這有做這樣的案例來支援有嘛對不對幫教國比如說我舉例來講比如說我們的直升機的贈雨行動或是我們幫教國去派訓他都有這樣子的情況發生請回座 |
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外交部政務次長我們中華民國要去協助國外比如說我們就以烏克蘭協助烏克蘭中共有說不行嗎?有說不行嗎? |
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有嗎?會嗎?你要理他?怕他嗎?這不是怕他我們要把一個工作做得好我們方方面面都要顧慮到既然我們這邊是列為機密我問你外交部中華民國政府要給捷克 |
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從捷克再轉到烏克蘭．或從別的國家．三個國家轉過去．有沒有告訴他們說．你們在簽的時候．有沒有說要秘密．要機密．要有人密件．有沒有． |
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跟委員報告每個國家的國情不一樣每個國家的國情不一樣他所面對的挑戰不一樣你可以最起碼先問可不可以我們不能告訴你這個要列密你這個不能列密我想我們從來沒有做過這種事情我們對自己國家我們的注意最起碼你表達你連表達都沒有表達然後現在已經公開3月就公開了 |
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這第一個第二個你買好你就問他清單你要什麼烏克蘭要什麼烏克蘭要什麼提供給我我這邊買好就直接送去更快啊更快啊急啊多急很急啊真的很急啊好我問最後一個問題 |
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中華民國的人民為了乌克蘭協助打戰打俄羅斯有多少位?我沒有辦法馬上告訴你但是只有我們原住民同胞也去幫忙打了仗這一點我們是十分十分的感激和感謝結果如何? |
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有多少人?原住民有多少人?原住民部分如果我沒有記錯的話,大概是一位吧。暫時的你們外交部有什麼協助?你多麼讚賞啊,那外交部有什麼協助? |
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我們應該有保養而且給他一些撫恤這個細節我再跟您報告好不好不要講細節我再跟您報告原住民什麼地方都敢去抗中保台我們是最抗中保台的所以這個部分我要特別請外交部的他是政務官我是30年公務員 |
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各位請回,接下來進行詢答委員,鍾嘉斌委員,鍾嘉斌委員,鍾嘉斌委員不在,徐曉新委員接下來進行詢答委員,徐曉新委員 |
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李文宗副主委委員好 |
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副主委好,我想要請問一下,我們在救養給付的部分,4%,那是夠的嗎?確定什麼時候發放?因為可以申請救養給付的資格,可不可以先跟我們說明一下有哪一些?所以我跟委員報告,我們應該這樣說,第一,退休人員他有的制度,不是,限利人員,那基本上是條4% |
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第二、退休人員有制度,今年比照現任人員4%第三、就養制度又有另外一個制度,今年比照退休人員4%（措置今年的1月1日開始 |
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那可是這些除役的官兵啊﹐他們大多都是在服役期間﹐那因為作戰﹐或者是因公﹐導致他們身心受到一些損害﹐對國家付出了自己的健康﹐那後續我們對他們的保障跟照顧﹐是不是應該要考慮得更加完善呢? |
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公務員報告你剛講的跟現在講的有一點出入所謂的我們退休就是服役嘛20年有退休另外國家為了照顧大陸來台現在大概4萬多人然後呢後來又擴大就是滿61歲 |
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沒有領業退奉的退休的榮民領業退奉你剛提到的是另外一個概念就是他因公戰場這是不一樣的所以我問你的是第二件事情就是說在因公的部分像你看我這邊powerpoint有寫依據 |
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這個國軍除役官兵救援安置辦法有關於它﹐是因為作戰的關係除役的部分﹐那我們現在提供給他們的相關的﹐後續的福利﹐保障﹐或者是協助﹐大概有哪一些? |
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有關因公,如果說因公智商殘,那經過檢定他並不受到61歲的限制,那經檢定完之後他是符合的話,他就是符合我們救養農民,同時他也具備農民的身份。 |
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我另外能不能跟委員簡單講我講兩個很小的事情以前在因公或是因性隱命隱命那一天他不是榮民那我們主委我們在去年跟國防部合作我們現在是我們把他當作是榮民所以他的遺孀他的子女一樣受到照顧比如說在半年前那麼因公受傷的 |
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那他們是沒有水電半價我再辦人請幫助他們我們全部跟他們滿足水電半價這個人很少只有兩百八十幾位我很支持我要講是其實我們很多真的但像這種即使只有兩百八十幾人我理解我也很支持你們做這樣子的服務那當然我們今天的問題是救養給付嗎剛剛我講分成兩個不同的部分 |
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但是呢我們看到從2017年到2024年像以基本工資來說每年都在漲然後呢比方說像我們基本工資的月薪漲了30%那我們不要看月薪因為他們也不是屬於薪水可是我們看到消費者物價指數CPI上漲了10%那我們的就養給付調整從2017年調漲是9% |
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那副主委您怎麼看?您覺得現在目前的這個調整是合理的嗎?還是未來能夠更多?還是在什麼時間點上面我們有考慮讓它更多? |
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我不是要比較在前陣子的時候只調一次現正我們調了三次這是第一句話第二句話我也贊成像今年物價只是上漲不止4%我們調4%已經史上最高但是呢我們仍然向行政反映我們希望調更高希望調更高希望調更高這件事情我會全力的來支持因為我覺得我們的榮民朋友他們為國付出了這麼多這是他們值得的 |
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尤其是現在通貨膨脹．電費又上漲．對他們來說也是一筆不小的開銷所以跟委員報告是不是關於退休金工教．跟剛講救養榮民的部分．因為這裡面有一些制度的規定．大宴的委員可以協助．是不是可以做一些．好啦好啦我們會後也能夠再繼續討論那今年預計是在5月1號發放嗎 |
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那發放的時間有已經確定下來了嗎?可不可以讓大家知道一下?他是因為有一些作為程序但追溯到1月1號追溯到1月1號的時間所以我們今年會來發放那可不可以在最後總結一下那今年發放的整個調整的這個狀況 |
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就是成長的狀況再跟大家稍微的介紹一下就是調整4%嘛上一次是調整2%啦所以我們認為4%仍然比不上物價調漲但是是史上最高那下一次開會再討論調整可能會是在什麼時候這個要問政府過去的經驗大概現任的金工教程員的薪資調大概是兩年到三年會調一次過去八年的經驗 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝許曉欣委員,各位請回。接下來進行詢問委員,楊瓊瑩委員。謝謝主席,請國防部。來,國父部長。兩位早。 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8191.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8206.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
請問大陸海警持續靠近我國的海域目前我們軍方掌握的情況究竟是如何因為民眾如果有害怕我們政府要告訴人家到底目前是安全的範圍嗎請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
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8227.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
有關於中共海警船接近我方海域事實上我們每天國防部在所有的下午的記者會裡面的新聞稿裡面都會發布那這些狀況都是在我們的監控範圍那我們所有處置程序的都是海巡優先那我們國軍的 |
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8251.292 |
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這個船艦是在側翼來協助這個海巡到目前為止我們掌控的都還是在可控的範圍都可以在可控的範圍可控的範圍內是是好現在加油是謝謝委員那我們也希望就不能有擦槍走火當然不會很重要的是安全是的是的好謝謝你那繼續呢本席要請教我們的這個軍售的問題 |
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8256.792 |
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8259.6 |
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那軍買我們持續在2025年裡頭的聽證會也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8266.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8287.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
有很多的議員聯署那麼針對於美國聯邦參眾議院他們的軍事委員會呢他們也在聽證會裡頭也針對於我們目前為止這個資料給我們的是說對台軍售交付研製的累積到190億也就是我們台幣的6199億是如此嗎?那說得正確嗎? |
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包委員我跟您報告因為這個軍售款項它現在所進行的都是說比如說我今天交貨了按照我們發酵書裡面的期程來付款那至於說延宕的數字不是這個數字 |
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8317.11 |
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8329.597 |
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這還沒有交貨的數字這還沒有交貨的數字這不是延宕跟委員報告這不是延宕但是他們說未來要聚焦在減少羈押的訂單有這個事嗎那你會減少羈押的訂單表示往前推這些事 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8347.153 |
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我跟您報告,俄乌戰爭到現在為止,所有的美方的國防產業在軍售上來講,對全球都是持交的。任何的理由都有,那我方怎麼處置?跟委員報告, |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8349.656 |
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8364.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
第一個在目前所有的軍售裡面我們都按照我們的合約來要求雖然有部分它在產能上面來講有降低這樣子在正常供貨情況下但是美方它也成立了有降低會不會影響到我發展 |
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就是在我們的合約的期限之內他會完成這樣的交貨你還有信心在合約期限內還是會完成是的但是現在確定是他們有少量而且他們目前跟我們的進度還是有不一樣的我們每個月都在磋商開專案會議所以換句話說您給的答案就是說也到最後 |
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照我們的合約不會交不出來也不會再延期這個是民眾希望要聽到的你一定要加油最後一個外交部一分鐘就好請摘要提問摘要回答跟我們友邦友好的國家怎麼聯繫我們在這個目前WHA世界衛生大會的這個部分我們有沒有收到邀請函 |
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8417.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8417.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
有盤點（ |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8433.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8446.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
因為這個非常的重要因為我們真的非常的希望CPTPP呢資深的官員會議並沒有討論到入國會成立的工作小組的這個問題那換句話說我們並沒有納入在會員國的討論範圍內是不是如此是的這是還要雙邊的先談 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
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當然雙邊新談所以這個部分也是民眾非常關心我們要好好去加油因為這個對於我們的國家對產業是影響非常巨大的我們未來CPTPP我相信應該會有專案報告歡迎到時候參加來各位請回謝謝接下來進行詢談委員吳思堯委員吳思堯委員吳思堯委員不在林思明委員林思明委員林思明委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8507.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
莊瑞雄委員、莊瑞雄委員、莊瑞雄委員不在。﹐邱志維委員、邱志維委員、邱志維委員不在。﹐羅志強委員、羅志強委員、羅志強委員不在。﹐洪孟凱委員、洪孟凱委員、洪孟凱委員不在。﹐鄭正前委員、鄭正前委員、鄭正前委員不在。﹐徐欣穎委員、徐欣穎委員、徐欣穎委員不在。﹐賴世保委員、賴世保委員、賴世保委員不在。﹐羅廷威委員、羅廷威委員、羅廷威委員不 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8508.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8514.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
以登記諮詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢,報告及詢答結束。 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8516.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8539.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
委員口頭諮詢未及答覆的部分或要求補充資料者請相關單位於跟委員約定的時間或按照我們的慣例是兩週內提供委員令約定期限者依其所定我們接下來要進行討論事項剛才我們有分成國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8540.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8554.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
外交部跟國安局那國安部原來7案那我們加上馬文君委員在報告案挪過來的14案總共21案我們並在一起討論那我附帶跟各位委員宣告下午我們下午1點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8557.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8579.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
會宣布開會,開會的時候會宣讀條文大概2個小時宣讀條文後,因為我們上一次已經詢答大體已經討論過了我把它修正一下,我們下午就是宣達完就進行逐條的討論那所以1點半宣讀大概會宣讀到3點半左右請各不管是司法法治、國防委員會各辦公室注意時間 |
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8591.478 |
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好我們現在先來處理國防部的凍結案總共21案也都已經宣達過請問在場各位是否同意解凍或有其他問題來馬委員是要一案一案嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8601.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8605.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
有7案加14案有7案加14案有7案加14案有7案加14案有7案加14案有7案加14案 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8630.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8651.966 |
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來那個給我看一下有沒有總表討論案的國防部的前7案好來那個我們先按照順序處理第一國防部的第一案到第7案的討論事項現在第7案有問題請國防部待會準備說明還有呢有沒有 |
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還有第幾案?35我們先到第幾啊?不是,現在有7個案,討論案現在是討論案1到7前面討論事項是不是?討論事項沒有1到7案沒有啦然後那個馬委員你是對第7案有意見是不是?好,那是不是你先提出問題然後業管單位待會準備 |
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就第7案的部分因為到現在都還沒有解決問題第一個海軍統籌辦理國軍HF通信機換裝的這個是從109年已經執行了6年考量113年度是本案原規劃期程的最後兩年所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8706.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8735.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
之前在審查國軍參與建案單位進度都是嚴重落後的目前的進度可還是落後所以就這個部分分配預算集中在最後一年對於本案會有很大的問題所以這個相關的分年計算的預算不合理的分配這是第一點第二個海軍說明的部分首批通信機已經完成性能的驗證 |
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8736.548 |
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8743.272 |
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保密裝置雖然在112年8月就已經完成密室邏輯的計轉可是到現在為止都還沒有驗測通過都還持續在驗測當中是不是能夠在期限之前完成還有疑問所以就這個部分 |
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因為114年就要完成裝備結腳安裝還入空時機的整體測試所以我們還希望再說明清楚那另外要求第三方互通測試的部分這個到目前的進度都還在去年9月份的辦理申請的作業 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8786.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
後續的進度也應該要說明清楚到現在等於說都還沒有通過就這個部分我們希望還是要持續凍結因為反正其實你也用不到馬委員提出不管是進度還有驗證海軍請說明 |
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8790.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
主席委員好我是海巡常務長首先跟委員做報告有關於保密建設部分在國內這個部分現在目前正在這個預計6月份開始可以開始實施那整個的驗證完應該會到8月到9月之間那等個後續的這個部分我們會持續來做國內部分來做趕工的一個驗測那後續的有關的這個第三方部分由這個中科院來做回覆來中科院第三方 |
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8820.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8846.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我們JITC前年經過委員人的指導我們奉行大願我們就立即辦理後續因為他朝向要走軍售所以我們之前也請了軍備局在去年2月就開始展開那一直到今年9月他要求要因為中共不屬於國防部要求要第三方轉移所以我們9月提出這個轉移申請到國務院一直到現在還沒有下文你講的是去年9月還是今年9月去年9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8847.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8871.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
到現在半年了還沒效應當然我們中心已經持續了推行的5次我們現在比較樂觀的就是說因為法案國務院審查的法案它比舊也後面那今年也請站公司司長也是去協調希望能夠加速進行那這方面我想說國防部跟中院從一開始知道這個事情開始從第三方轉讓到現在都沒有鬆懈過 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
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那我們想說這個案子因為今年因為今年預算只有2.3億因為海軍的集戰力我們希望能夠做完73套那希望委員能夠同意解凍謝謝那這個500萬凍結對你們的執行有沒有影響當然會有點影響什麼影響說明一下 |
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8913.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
當然啦,我們希望說能夠在2.3億,能夠完成73套是最好的,不然我們要先請電子來執行。剛才聽起來,海軍的說明是因為6月到8月、9月要驗證,那現在若不檢鬥的話,那時候我們沒有會期,這個是一個理由。那你這個第三方的話,軍售案美方還沒有同意嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8938.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
現在目前第三屆還沒同意因為同意之後才會給我OA的報價我們在送驗我覺得跟馬委員溝通的方式是說如果這個預算現在同意你你才能執行那當然我們就拜託解凍但如果說現在這個凍結對你們執行沒有影響或者沒有影響進度的話那這個案子我們就不要去執著我現在是請問中科院跟海軍的意見沒有影響嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
8944.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8947.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
你有沒有把握今年的第三方轉移的轉讓會過嗎?你能替美國說有把握? |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
8967.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8987.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
因為我們又去催省了,它法案已經快審到了,美國國務院,我們繼續了解其實商售、軍售都是軍售的一種方式,但是軍售有一些流程它要跑那個馬偉英這500萬,HF坦白講啦,金額佔總比例沒那麼大這個部分,它金額不大,所以對他們的影響並不大 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
8990.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9011.897 |
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院長,請您再思考一下,這個部分對你們有影響嗎?可是它對後續的那個有影響,您慎重的...是是是,再跟委員報告,謝謝委員還有沒有其他委員有意見?沒有的話本席建議這樣好不好?因為看起來你們驗證是八、九月啦,那在現有預算應該是可以執行的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9025.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
那第三方轉讓的部分還要待美方同意那如果你們在今年取得同意我們下個會期還可以來處理解凍案這案子我們就暫時先Pending好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9027.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
現在處理的是剛才把從討論案移過來討論案的9、12、15、16、21、24 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9053 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9067.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
37、39、42、55、58、65、66、73共14案就我從馬委員那邊得到的理解說這邊案有些是有相通性的那有相通性的案子我們是一併討論這樣不用重複太多時間因為我們還是要留點時間下午的修法案是不是先請馬委員就 |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這14個案子你提出質疑的部分那請業管單位注意待會能夠解答我們就把它做解凍如果無法解決我們再進行討論那也請因為這一次大概只有我跟馬委員是上一屆凍結案留下來的委員其他委員沒有參與之前的討論所以大家可以也提供一些新的意見但我們還是先讓馬委員表達意見來請說 |
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9095.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
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就第9案的部分因為其實在陸軍規劃辦理赴國內可能在公司立機構參加研習訓練還有取得專業證照跟軍事交流訓練所需的教育訓練費用這個部分在112年度它編列93萬4千元可是在113年變成4億3千多萬元 |
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總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算 |
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對阿,所以就這個變成4億3千多萬,增加463倍。來,陸軍請說明。幫委員,我是陸軍事務部常務長陳建義,謝謝委員的指導。那這個案子實際上在委員這個凍結本預算後,我們也到委員辦公室做了相關的報告。 |
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最主要為什麼在112年只有93萬到了113年會調整到4億多那這個實際上也就是因應我們整個訓練的優化和實戰化的需要 |
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那這些東西都是已經列入我們一個常態化的訓練也就是說我們是把它回歸和呈現到預算書表預算制度裡面那也就是這樣子的訓練是因應我們國軍的實戰化需求也就是說在113年之後包含到114年我們也都會有這樣依實際的需求來如實編列那相關的細節 |
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有需要的話我再到委員辦公室向您做報告馬委員這一件第一個坦白講這個案子是不是應該放在公開預算是值得討論的那我也相信你們應該有跟馬委員那邊做報告說明但這個對我們國家 |
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三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度 |
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我可以去委員辦公室講清楚請龍子也講得非常漂亮的一個內容但過不了關所以我們這個同意解凍但是請陸軍務必跟到委員那邊報告這個案子因為這個案子這個案子其實相當重要我相信馬委員也了解那你們去好好說明我們這個案子照案通過接下來後續再來 |
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第12案 |
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這個是坑子口訓練場的部分這個部分其實還有非常多的問題所以這個部分我們要求應該要持續凍結因為它也影響到我們的訓練的一個量能在去年其實我們在討論的時候應該有提出非常明確的一個問題點所以這個部分我們要求凍結 |
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報告委員這邊我簡單的報告一下這個案子我們也到委員辦公室做了5次的說明那我們也尊重委員的指導那基於這個案子的必要性我們還是懇請委員能夠支持但是也會在會後再安排委員的時間再詳細的跟您做報告 |
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這個部分非常嚴重的問題是因為原來它在就是水保的部分其實它沒有放在重點它的總預算有多少11億多還9億多11億多11億多水保用了多少錢 |
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委員我簡單跟您報告這個案子實際上跟我們最先的作業輸入跟專業性不足有關我們在109年設計那你還可以用這一家專管嗎?最先沒有用這家專管最先在109年設計的時候我們輕忽了這塊山坡地對周邊包含到鄉鎮的影響所以事實上我們沒有把完整的水保放進去因為你今天你絕對沒有辦法講清楚第一 |
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剛開始有必要做水保那也沒關係一開始的水保的工程大概5000多萬11億多的預算裡面這個是要做訓練場的一開始他編了5000多萬可是後來他變成3億多對不對對 |
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水保局他同意的是多少錢他認為我們應該要花多少錢做水保你只告訴大家就好了因為你應該要公開講農業部水保署後面同意的是他經過嚴格的把關現刊同意的是1億 |
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中央政府總預算凍結案等16案 |
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這個是為了M1A2做的吧?報告委員我跟您報告委員對於這個的關切最主要就是說當它水保核定是1億之後委員關切的是那原本它多的2億到哪裡去它多2億後面我們會修可行性評估然後我們會把原本在第二階段也就是王昭偉非常關切的我們會把第二階段的重要項目有些工項沒做我們會修可行性評估如果我們不提出來你那3億就花掉了 |
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不可能,因為他實際只會合一役,他合一役,他這個,這樣好不好,這個案子齁, |
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我們我覺得坑此口我們值得排一個專報我們再來一項委員報告因為除了剛才水保案子其實是一議啦你們那個三議過不了啦因為你們後來根據可行性分析那個要拿掉除了那以外你們有些工項因為預算膨脹的關係把它拿走就造成那個訓場沒有達到可以完整的訓練也不能符合M1A2這種它的一些訓練等於 |
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新武器用救方法,這個不好,所以在我們專報之前這個第12案保持凍結狀態,這樣好不好?是,現在委員知道,是。來,再按照順序,第15案。15案這個部分,大概也是,戰甲車掩體。這個15案不是,是戰甲車掩體。15案。 |
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15案這個也是長安的嗎這不是這個是其實你這個可是你就是在很多的設計上面原來我們要的一個訓練的量能力把它縮減這個都是跟我們當初在編這個預算的時候是相違背的不管顏體也好是不是你這個類似的這個這樣子因為這個10萬塊我覺得我們那個坑子口那個案子我們盯緊一點那個其實影響很大那個不要做錯是 |
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前花隊不是多少問題那這個案子因為原來它只是一個報告案阿我看的金額也是10萬我看起來它案子也是10萬塊錢而已啦我們是不要累積這麼多案子沒有解凍這個案子我們就先讓它解凍但是這個相關的事由我們把它記錄下來我們在相關專報的時候要求它說明這樣好不好 |
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這一個部分他雖然錢不多啦主席他這個跟那個可能坑子口還有長安營區長安營區那個是一樣就是說你原來我們待會在長安營區處理啦稍後會先回歸啦這樣好不好謝謝委員我們這是第15案我們就予以解凍再來第16案16案沒有 |
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有16案長安長安這一個跟那個鏗子口那個是一樣的一樣的是好我們一起凍結好不好是就是剛才那個過這個案子我們就把它凍結持續凍結了好再來是21自己案大概就是無人機的無人機的現在還有很多的問題我們把無人機整理一下你說21還有幾24無人機管無人機 |
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21、55還有66還有3737也是我們有點像柯子牧審查一樣我們先把一樣的抓在一起21、55、66來馬委員是不是來進行詢問 |
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防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統防疫系統 |
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其實反無人機系統的這個部分其實我們編的預算其實大家也知道它非常重要可是到目前為止它出現的問題我想我們所有在座的委員或者說有全體國人都在關切因為你反無人機系統的這個部分它的現在能夠執行的狀況到底是怎麼樣我覺得還是說不清楚而且每次我們被嘲笑的大概也都是因為我們在這個部分無法反制那就這個部分我希望還是可以說明清楚以後我們再來 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算一、處理院會交付113年度 |
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整合性的功能來講只有中科院能夠滿足我們這個整個機場或重要營區的無人機的防禦所以主要委由中科院來做是這樣子的那我們這第一套的這個系統在去年年底已經在加山基地做過實測都能夠達到我們的這個所需要設定的規範跟功能效果是很好請委員支持 |
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這個部分你剛剛提到有矛盾的部分因為在這個案子裡面你們買了非常多的干擾槍那時候干擾槍我們在講的因為你說幕後是最困難的因為它又小你記得當時我們在談的時候你的幕後是多遠的距離嗎? |
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二、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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我們現在要說的是其實陸軍也有建制那你的價格為什麼差那麼多這是我們希望你今天顯然是沒有辦法說明清楚因為你是一樣的東西可是你的價格卻差很多就這兩個部分我覺得都應該我也一併詢問一下 |
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當然透過儀器去查之或目或或透過肉眼目或是兩個不一樣的事情是是是所以我透過儀器你那個 |
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那個波長越短你可以看到越小的東西就越近視野看的就越近所以就是幾公里他看到了我接下來是要能夠鎖住他那接下來處理他你是攔阻或者干擾這都是處理方式所以單純用干擾槍是沒辦法處理事情的因為你眼睛看到的時候都已經到頭上了所以你們現在才要建制系統這點本席是支持 |
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但你這個系統你說在加山測試過是合格的未來你們的建制是這個東西變成21小時就打開我隨時有進入我就查的獲得到那會很吵喔因為它那個波長那麼短隨便有個東西跑進來就滴滴滴滴我的意思說你們這個是如果你又不是21小時打開查資又要靠眼睛 |
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那這個儀器又變成有點本末倒置我好奇是你們將來這個是重要的基地離島、外島、列嶼我就是24小時這個東西就是ON有東西進來我就看到了看到之後再判別判別之後攔阻是這樣子呢還是看到之後才打開來儀器再操作這個你也一併說明然後馬偉你剛才提問的部分也請你說明一下 |
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第一部分針對馬委員剛剛提到說一樣的系統為什麼價格差很多那其實都是講一套系統但是陸軍買這一套系統是數量比較少的我剛剛跟委員報告的就是空軍建這個案子的一套系統裡面數量是多的一套系統包括四個預警雷達 |
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是兩個被動偵測系統,兩個光電幕後系統因為我們目標鎖電是機場,重要營區,跟外島這個是不一樣所以這個價錢上差別是這樣子那第二個呢,就剛剛昭偉提到這個外離島那部分那是另外一個,不是我這個案子建的系統,目標不一樣但是我們這個系統它是可以24小時開機的只要它可以偵測到,就可以由超空台去鎖電 |
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所以就有專門的人要控制這個操控台是是是會有操控台是 |
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因為陸軍跟空軍都有做嘛陸軍的是便宜很多啦那剛剛空軍的說法是陸軍做的是沒有用我是覺得陸軍做的好像效果不太好目標只是不一樣因為他會來攻擊你你是反制無人機所以他會再用什麼樣的方式去干擾你外離島也是啊外離島都是陸軍建制的那外離島受到的這些無人機其實他就是無人機啊你說的不一樣那差在哪裡 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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的價格也是差異很大,這個顯然他們一直沒有辦法在這個部分講清楚,那剛剛...報告員30秒,30秒,30秒,30秒,其實最主要是地理環境位置不同,那我們建的這個系統主要是針對機場這種比較大型的範圍,我舉個例子來講,以機場來講一個跑道為什麼需要4個預警雷達, |
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主管預算凍結案等113年度中央政府總預算凍結案等16案 |
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那我們國家不管是就機場、機敏基地或者離外島無人機的防禦其實很重要我曾經也跟中央提過你們有一個一打開那個GPS就是它那個就會它到那邊GPS就失效的那個最簡單我如果列嶼沒有那種導航設備的話你就是打開來讓所有的無人機商用的飛到那裡都無法控制就解決了你不能老是靠阿兵跟永慶看啦但是題外話那馬委員我是建議說這個部分因為 |
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這確實是新的威脅那曹參謀長他其實他該講的就是不同的基地不同的需求那個雷達一顆價格都不一樣我們是不是給予解凍那有關無人機的防禦編制你看他有一個控制台你還有一個人在那裡那個專長編碼什麼的我們將來好好來盯這個案子那現在讓他趕快把這些該建制建制起來 |
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我不好意思我也是反對解凍喔因為我也希望說那是不是能夠來先跟我們說明之後那再考慮解凍謝謝 |
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你們之前沒有去說明嗎?因為之前沒有對徐委員說明沒有對我們說明過因為這是上一屆凍結案所以我們也希望能夠先說明之後再解凍因為既然剛才聽過了馬委員的說明也聽過了您的說明之後那我覺得這個事情讓它相對的複雜所以我希望說是不是能夠先來跟我說明之後我們再討論要不要解凍謝謝 |
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草三部長,在凍結的金額對於你們線下執行上產生什麼影響?現階段如果時程延後是還可以執行。那時程如果不延後勒?有影響可以講嗎?就是說委員是希望了解更清楚,希望更好。我們一定去跟委員說明清楚,是不是可以委員支持先。 |
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主席因為其實我們無人機編了很多的預算你在期程會不會延後你們自己心裡很清楚你們有很多的因素可能是其他的還包括廠商的問題等等我相信你們都非常清楚我們現在要的是你其實真的能符合我們的需求不管你在島內不管在島外無人機未來還會用上很多 |
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沒有必要在現階段你為了一點點這樣子的凍結預算然後就稀哩哈啦啦的就把它弄過了這個部分我們要求因為按照規定我們這一次委員會裡面都是新的委員包括所有在場的委員我相信他們都沒有聽過照理說你們應該也要通通說明清楚就這個凍結的預算我相信沒有影響而且剛剛 |
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稍微在講的時候我們把它全部都濃縮然後可以過的全過了就留這三個所以還有37這個部分它的部分我相信我們還有時間來做討論好不好所以你們不需要在這裡集這個你們都還沒有報告過嗎這樣好不好這個 |
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這個案子我是建議新一屆的委員對於舊的凍結案他不清楚他沒辦法給你解凍啦我覺得這個合理啦那我們也本委員會也不要我們累積太多這種凍結案塞了一堆啦那我會是不是建議這樣子大家參與看看啦因為21案是凍結200萬55案是空軍的凍結300萬66案好像是自通電的凍結200萬我們是不是 |
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主席,不要再把他分開啦,因為他這個都一樣,真的啦,你就讓他,這樣比較好。因為其實從我們委員會開始到現在,那這些凍結案應該國防部都是知道的,所以也知道總有一天,比如說像我們今天是要審查的, |
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如果他們知道今天要審查這些費用非常的重要如果今天沒有解凍他們會有問題的話那他早就應該要到各委員會辦公室裡面像我們包含是今天在外交委員會裡面這麼多新客委員就要先說明了呀他們會向提案委員做說明那現在有新的委員提出意見的話這樣好了21、55、66還有紅山委員 |
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確實過去部會習慣的說明他會是跟提案委員去做說明但因為這一次現在我們是新的一屆那提案的委員其實他可能都會把我們沒有視為提案委員可是我覺得大家確實都非常關心無人機的問題所以我自己是覺得至少就無人機的議題的凍結案來跟 |
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我們其他的包括我自己我不是新委員但是我外交國防的委員我其實也很關心那我覺得大家可以再來報告一次關於無人機的凍結案的部分好不好這部分我是覺得可以這樣處理我們就這樣處理啦21案、55案、66案、37案我們持續凍結待這個相關單位跟各委員溝通解說我們再來列解凍這個是到37啦那接下來 |
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24、39、42、55、58、65、66、73、80這邊還有沒有什麼要提問的?這幾案也是無人機啊?都是嗎?全部都是無人機嗎?24是無人機。24是無人機。24是無人機,那就一併保持凍結啦。然後還有呢?39是2。39是魚叉飛彈。我們39案是不是就有什麼問題提出沒有的話,我們就讓他解凍啦。 |
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餘差這是設施整建,到現在其實還是落後非常多,然後你的那個像雲林湖尾營區可能被抗議,你也沒有辦法決定嘛,這個部分其實你也沒辦法做啊,所以其實我覺得你凍結並不會影響,因為你沒有辦法執行。那就這個部分還是在審慎的說明以後,也讓所有其他的委員知道一下。是,這個凍結有沒有影響進度? |
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當然凍結一定是影響,但如果說有新委員、新會期,我們就是配合再說明再說。與差當然是重要的案子。除了工程之外,還有部分就是陸陸續續的車跟其他的裝備,今年底跟明年都會到。那些部分不會影響,所以我想還是...其他委員有沒有意見? |
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沒有的話我們就繼續凍結喔那42、55、58、65、66、73這些都無人機嗎42是無人機42是無人機還有勒好我們這樣啦無人機我們就不另外處理啦就持續凍結啦那55、58、65、66、73來請馬委員他是什麼55也是啦55也是無人機啦55 |
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555也是無人機沒有555是詠音高叫機的地面模擬555已經處理完了沒有555了555剛剛已經持續凍結了58詠音的話我們是不是讓他過了好不好58案解除凍結然後再來6565 |
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資訊系統維護案65解凍、66凍結、73外骨折系統這個部分我們要求凍結好不好因為你們沒有說明清楚外骨的這個已經你外骨折好像做到第二代了是不是接下來外交部的 |
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這一次是做第二期我們第一期是做了負重型跟野戰型的半套那做的成果其實都外面都展示過都很清楚這一期做的就加上尖跟軸了 |
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上一期做的我們荷重型的大概會減輕三分之一的重量我們加了尖跟軸的叫做全身野戰型的話這個會減低二分之一我們這個會預期要做兩套這個我想這個我們在歷次的航展都展示過那個案子也頌受大家的重視我希望這個經費請委員不要凍結因為它是一個正向的發展希望國軍都能夠 |
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目標如果就中科院來看都是正向的發展只要所有的相關國防武器發展其實也都是正向的發展可是我們現在要說的是第一你在109年到112年你已經有執行肌耐力增強型的這些外骨骼系統的研製跟驗證那你現在到116年又是另外野戰全身型的到目前為止 |
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我們看到的就是說﹐它的關聯性﹐比如說它的新案跟前案之間的關聯性﹐其實你們還沒有辦法做明確的一個說明跟澄清﹐還有對未來野戰步兵砲兵的運用﹐除嚇眾需求以外﹐它的相關靈活度﹐還有工程等相關的指標參數﹐都還沒有﹐而且這個凍結數﹐我先處理一件事情比較簡單的﹐ |
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因為僑委會跟退府會完全沒有事項我們是不是讓他先離席還是讓他們回去上班比較重要各位沒有意見因為僑委會跟退府會沒有案子我們就讓官員先離席僑委會跟退府會可以離席了謝謝馬委員繼續 |
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那就這個部分因為我們現在的凍結數對你們其實沒有太大影響就這個部分我們還是希望你們說明清楚以後再解凍好不好那個這個外骨肝我有去看過你們那個這個其實除了是各莊將來可以輔助以外其實對將來長輩老人這個其實是有幫助就是我們現在到我們這個年紀爬樓梯腳膝蓋會痛的時候 |
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這個其實是有幫助的啦那這個預算現在凍結的是你們的預算可是這個案子其實是國科會的委辦案沒錯所以我們沒有凍結到這個案子本身我們反而是國科會請你們幫忙研製結果我們凍了你們的錢原來這個案子其實是國科會的啦是不是因為他已經到第二代了然後也增加一些外骨骼了所以馬委員這個案子是不是能夠讓他過 |
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主席因為這個部分我們剛剛有提到相關的問題就是你只是凍100萬我剛剛提的問題你們把它說明清楚好不好對你們沒有影響我們預算總額1億4我們凍100萬而已啊好那就這個第73案保持凍結好我們接下來來處理的是外交部 |
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外交部的討論案總共有4個案子,不知道有沒有委員有要提問的?來,曲曉欣委員請 |
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第三案我找一下序號1234第三案這邊就是113年度18對外捐助凍結100萬元案因為呢這個當時裡面寫到了加強多邊合作的獎助獎補助費的對外援助裡面 |
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那當時其實我記得黃國昌委員他有提到說中美洲銀行之前有資助過獨裁者相關的新聞那這部分的了解還有這邊的貸款是否有追回利息有照收嗎還有媒體披露過說中美洲銀行的放款從2020年到2022年批准了13筆發展政策的貸款總額超過25億美元但幾乎只 |
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．一、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算．外交部主管預算．外交部主管預算 |
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所以在這個中美洲銀行去年112元3月同意說113年下半年要花這個1000萬邀請貝里斯跟瓜地馬拉考察電動車那這個計劃我覺得應該要說明為什麼要花這麼多錢單單一個考察就29萬美金將近千萬台幣我個人覺得是蠻誇張的所以這個部分希望先凍結那詳細跟我內部說明之後我們再解凍 |
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來 我先處理一個程序案問題喔 國防部的案子都討論完因為國防部將領在這邊太多了 我們是不是讓他先回去上班然後下午要審查必要的人再留下來 其他人就可以先離席 好不好 |
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國防部主管預算凍結案等11年度中央政府總預算 |
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那我覺得這是很基本的事情,所以我們今天在這邊做這樣的結論,那我覺得這部分接下來要請你們落實,盡快把這件事情配合,越快處理,越快落實我們越快處理。請副部長跟副長室督導一下。我們國防部對於所有新任委員,所有案子不但不認其招,是凍結案的,就跟我們說。 |
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徐曉清委員提出的是外交部的討論事項的第三案,那外交部有沒有要說明?還是沒有意見就繼續凍結100萬? |
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報告委員,高委員垂詢的問題,因為我是主計,我比較沒有辦法答覆。沒有辦法答覆就不用上來了,好不好,我怎麼會讓主計上來回答。這樣好了,我們第三案就持續凍結,待說明期我再處理,其他沒有意見的話我們就照案通過,好不好。接下來處理的是國安局。 |
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國安局有幾項?一項而已。國安局只有一項。那個外交部處理完了也請回部辦公。然後再來是國安局的凍結案各位有沒有意見?沒有意見的話國安局我們就照樣解凍喔。本次會議 |
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到此結束現在散會提醒各位下午1點半我們要另外一個會議好謝謝 |
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2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算2、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |
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2）三、處理院會交付113年度中央政府總預算 |