| IVOD_ID |
158883 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158883 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T10:20:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T10:27:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1aa2678e2e1bfb8d1e5a45ebd5c2e753184204766f4a2623bd5e1aacc5385281515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:45 - 10:27:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請這個經濟部的林慈昌進入林市長 |
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市長好,今天談產業創新條例,剛好上一位呂友也有提到,剛好也是我想要就教在連市長的。我們這次產業創新條例有一個重要的主軸,就是提供事業投資、智慧機械、5G、減人減碳這些租稅減免,這是一項。 |
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另外一項呢我也認為說我們這個修法也具備了國安還有社會安全的意識就是在這一個22條那我看一下你們的22條裡面你們有提到說為保護關鍵的技術還有維持這個產業競爭力所以呢你們有做一個修正從事國外投資於特定國家或地區特定產業或技術或達一定金額以上情形者應事前向中央主管機關申請核准 |
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那有這個沒有申請核准實行投資者會處罰藉其會改正或停止或撤回投資都有啦那一樣請教一下因為我認為說這一點寫的明確是非常重要的 |
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因為我們既然有這個產業創新條例我們鼓勵企業來投資但是有一些具有這個關鍵性的一些產業或是技術你就沒辦法讓它流到特定的國家或地區尤其是對台灣有敵對有敵意的國家或地區嘛那這一點能不能請次長再說清楚一點 |
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就是這個投資於特定的國家或地區是指怎樣的國家或地區比如說是指中國嗎還是指哪裡我們現在是其實我們現在主要是在恢弘供應鏈的方式去著手啦那尤其是有一些我們的先進的技術我們絕對不能留到跟我們有一些相關的一些一些對我們不友善的國家而且這些先進的技術我們剛才講也要跟國際的一些規範要去做接軌 |
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對啊 就是現在美國尤其川普總統他也對於一些關鍵的技術高階的晶片就是不能留下美國去嘛那我說請教一下這些特定的國家跟地區有沒有包含中國因為兩岸條例有在做一些規範所以我們這個會另外在跟兩岸條例那邊去做一些切割那你們這22條的規範是怎麼樣 |
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各位報告特定地區我們目前最主要考量是有關於在戰略性高科技貨品管制出口的一些地區包括伊朗 伊拉克等等還有有關於聯合國它對於特定國家制裁的一些管制令譬如說像北韓這些國好 那中國呢關於對中國附大陸投資的部分我們依照兩岸條例35條我們另外有訂一個附大陸投資的一個許可辦法 |
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那都有相關的規定那所以這一條跟你剛才講的這一個兩岸投資條例會搭在一起是會搭在一起還是副大陸投資的部分要優先適用搭在一起還是我看你搖頭搭在一起還是怎麼樣不同的規範不同的規範市長講搭在一起的意思是什麼就是說兩邊會一起看嘛如果你要走兩岸的就是兩岸這邊來處理嘛那其他非兩岸的就是這邊再來處理 |
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那兩岸規範有比你這個更嚴格嗎有有有 更嚴格更嚴格好 更嚴格好 那請教一下這個現在在審查這個中央政府的總預算那下午也會針對這個追加預算來做協商那有關於這個台電有兩筆一筆是這一個今年度的應該算去年度的追加預算1000億另外一個是今年度的這一個在總預算裡面的1000億 |
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那這個1000億這個追加預算朝野協商我認為大概很難過因為現在朝野協商都是過水那現在這個不論是國民黨或是自衛黨都說了這個追加預算不會讓你們過1000億不會讓你們過 |
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那另外一個呢這個還在今年的這個預算裡面的一千億我剛聽了這個民眾黨的說法他們的提案全數都刪除那等於是說這個看你們這個我看了一下有九個針對台電的這個今年的這個一千億的預算九個提案裡面有五個說要全部都刪除那次長你怎麼看如果這追加預算一千億也沒有了今年度的這一千億也沒有了等於是兩千億都沒有了那台電怎麼辦 |
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所以我們還是希望大家能夠支持這個我跟你講就不可能了我現在可以跟你斷言不可能了朝野前算不會讓你過那現在朝小野大嘛 他們已經講白了 藍白又講白了這一千億今年度也不會讓你過等於是兩千億就沒了你怎麼辦 你要用最壞的方式去想啦你不要再講說我還希望說這個在野黨能夠通過沒有啦 他們兼幣親野就是不會讓你過了啦不要存有這種幻想了 |
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那這我們內部會好好再來思考一下這個還要再思考尤其是那個 剛才那個那個委員有提到說那個台電怎麼也要人家早就剛剛思考好了啦因為這個應該在你們沙盤推演裡面兩千億沒有了會怎麼辦第一個電費會不會調漲嗎第二個要舉債嗎 |
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這個都是一個方向但是電費調漲因為事關重大再來舉債台電也舉債的差不多了所以這一塊我們如果真的是碰到這個狀況我們會審視的去審密的去思考看後續要怎麼來進行那怎麼辦 台電會不會打 |
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台電我們不可能讓他倒了台電不可能讓他倒你們那個財務的這個改善計畫有出來是不是有有有有出來了那給本席一份那這個改善這個改善報告出來這個你們要怎麼去做改善 |
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裡面我們有一部分就是從燃料那一邊也有去做一些調整燃料你們說會降嗎我們是預期說如果是川普上來的話他針對這塊是不是有降的空間再來就是有一些整個行政效率上去調整還有一些資產的一些重補這一部分再來做沒關係因為主席站起來了這個資料再給我一份好不好好謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席，請經濟部連次長。 |
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請經濟部連次長。 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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委員早。 |
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次長好。 |
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今天在談產業創新條例，剛剛上一位呂委員也有提到，剛好也是我想要就教連次長的。 |
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這次產業創新條例有一個重要的主軸，就是提供事業投資智慧機械、5G、節能減碳等租稅減免，這是一項，我也認為這個修法具備了國安及社會安全的意識。 |
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另外一項就是在第二十二條，你們第二十二條裡面有提到，為保護關鍵技術及維持產業競爭力，你們有做一個修正，從事國外投資於特定國家或地區，特定產業或技術或達一定金額以上情形者，應事前向中央主管機關申請核准。 |
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沒有申請核准就實行投資者，會處罰；屆期未改正或停止或撤回投資，都有啦！ |
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所以一樣請教一下，因為我認為這一點寫得明確是非常重要的，既然我們有產業創新條例，我們是要鼓勵企業來投資，但是有一些具有關鍵性的產業或是技術，你就沒有辦法讓它流到特定的國家或地區，尤其是對臺灣有敵對、有敵意的國家或地區。 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-15T10:22:43.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
這一點能不能請次長再說清楚一點，就是「投資於特定國家或地區」是指怎麼樣的國家或地區？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-15T10:22:43.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-15T10:22:44.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
比如說是指中國嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-15T10:22:44.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-15T10:22:46.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
還是指哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-15T10:22:47.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:05.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
其實我們現在主要是從「非紅供應鏈」的方式去著手，尤其是有一些我們的先進技術，我們絕對不能流到對我們不友善的國家，而且我們剛才講了，這些先進的技術也要跟國際的規範去做接軌。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:06.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:17.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
對啊，現在美國，尤其是川普總統也對於一些關鍵的技術、高階的晶片……就是不能流向美國去嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:18.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:24.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
所以請教一下，這些特定的國家跟地區有沒有包含中國？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:24.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:29.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
因為兩岸條例有做一些規範，所以這個我們會另外再跟兩岸條例那邊去做一些區隔。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:30.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:30.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
你們第二十二條的規範是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
楊司長淑玲 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:35.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:52.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
跟委員報告，關於特定地區，我們目前最主要的考量是有關於在戰略性高科技貨品管制出口的一些地區，包括伊朗、伊拉克等等，還有有關於聯合國對於特定國家制裁的一些管制令，譬如說北韓等這些國家。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:53.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-15T10:23:53.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那中國呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊司長淑玲 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-15T10:23:56.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:06.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
關於赴大陸投資的部分，依照兩岸條例第三十五條的規定，我們有另外訂定一個赴大陸投資的許可辦法，都有相關的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:06.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:09.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
對，所以這一條跟你剛才講的兩岸投資條例…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:11.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:11.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
會搭在一起。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:12.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:13.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
是會搭在一起，還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊司長淑玲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:14.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:16.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
赴大陸投資的部分要優先適用…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:17.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:20.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
是搭在一起還是怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:20.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:21.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我看你搖頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊司長淑玲 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:20.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:21.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
不同的規範。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:21.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:22.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
不同的規範？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:22.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:24.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
那次長講搭在一起的意思是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:25.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:30.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我說兩邊會一起看，如果你要走兩岸的，就是兩岸這邊來處理；其他非兩岸的，就是另外再來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:33.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:35.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
兩岸規範有比你這個更嚴格嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:35.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-15T10:24:37.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
有，更嚴格。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-15T10:24:39.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:16.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
再請教一下，現在在審查中央政府的總預算，下午也會針對追加預算來做協商，有關於台電有兩筆，一筆是去年度的追加預算1,000億，另外一個是今年度在總預算裡面的1,000億，這1,000億追加預算，我認為朝野協商大概很難過，因為現在朝野協商都是過水，不論是國民黨或在野黨，都說了追加預算不會讓你們過、1,000億不會讓你們過。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:18.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:27.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
另外一個還在今年預算裡面的1,000億，我剛剛聽了民眾黨的說法，他們的提案是全數都刪除。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:31.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:40.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我看了一下，針對台電今年1,000億的預算，9個提案裡面就有5個說要全部刪除，次長怎麼看？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:41.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:47.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
如果這追加預算1,000億沒有了，今年度的這1,000億也沒有了，等於是2,000億都沒有了，那台電怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:48.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:50.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以我們還是希望大家能夠支持…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:51.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-15T10:25:54.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我跟你講已經不可能了，我在這邊可以跟你斷言，不可能了！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-15T10:25:55.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:05.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
朝野協商不會讓你過，現在朝小野大，藍白就講白了，這1,000億今年度也不會讓你過，等於是2,000億就沒了，你怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:05.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:12.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你要用最壞的方式去想，你不要再說希望在野黨能夠通過，沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:12.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:16.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
他們堅壁清野，就是不會讓你過了，不要存有這種幻想了！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:17.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:19.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這個我們內部會好好再來思考一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:19.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:21.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
這個還要再思考？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:21.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:28.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
尤其是剛才委員有提到台電也要去改善…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:29.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:33.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你們早就應該要思考好了，這應該在你們沙盤推演裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:33.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:35.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
2,000億沒有了會怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:35.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:36.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
第一個，電費會調漲嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:36.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:36.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
第二個，要舉債嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:39.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:53.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個都是一個方向，但是因為電費調漲事關重大，再來台電也舉債得差不多了，所以這一塊如果真的是碰到這個狀況，我們會審密的去思考看後續要怎麼來進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:53.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:54.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
那怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:54.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:54.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
台電會不會倒？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:56.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-15T10:26:57.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們不可能讓台電倒啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-15T10:26:59.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:03.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你們的財務改善計畫有出來是不是？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:03.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:04.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
有出來了？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:05.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:06.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
給本席一份。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:08.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:11.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
改善報告出來後，你們要怎麼去做改善？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:12.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:17.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
裡面提到，第一個我們是從燃料那邊去做一些調整…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:18.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:19.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
燃料你們說會降嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:20.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:25.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們是預期如果川普上來的話，他針對這一塊是不是有降的空間？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:25.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:32.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
再來還有從行政效率上去調整，還有一些資產的重估來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:33.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:34.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，沒關係，因為主席站起來了，這個資料再給我一份好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:34.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:34.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
好，謝謝，謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:35.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:36.726571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
謝謝李委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-15T10:27:37.026571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-15T10:27:40.169429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
下一位質詢請楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |