| IVOD_ID |
158869 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158869 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T09:35:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T09:42:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a23f2bba758689d0e5a45ebd5c2e753183641ee913381949debd2ef2fddbaddb65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:25 - 09:42:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請經濟部的連次還有財務部理事長財務部理事長 |
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我先請蓮池喔蓮池你這麼早退休是國家的損失啊沒有啦沒有啦蓮池那個今天的這個主題當中的稅市支出當中的報告我看到又發了投資金額智慧機器還佔440億但是新增的部分的AI只佔了72億啊老實講我是覺得很誇張因為我國會跟國科會已經投入 |
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百億的這個研發經費預計要帶動這個產業發展再加上行政院說要推動大南方的新矽谷計畫也在台南的沙崙這個建立了AI產業園區那總統甚至說要打造成一個人工智慧島要成為全球的AI的影響力中心我請教一下這72億可以達到這種效果嗎是的 |
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那個跟委員報告那個是整個是AI講的你是70而已是購置設備啦設備它誘發出來的效果不是70而已購置設備而已設置設備而已所以說它基本上後面的potential的部分大家有多少啊potential不一樣搞不好會有10倍20倍左右對啊你們要寫清楚啊這要寫出來才有感覺嘛 |
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不然你花那麼多國家經費下去然後喊了口號又震天響結果呢導致的結果就72還比這個傳統的智慧晶蟹的部分440億差那麼多另外一個部分川普1月20號要上任那川普要上任的時候你要知道拜登時代我們跟他談了21世紀貿易協議基本上是要走向自由化 |
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可是川普呢你也知道他現在對外關稅已經成立一個專責機構也就是說他拉高關稅基本上兩個是相抵觸的我就問你一個問題這21世紀貿易協議我們已經要進入第二階段的深水區包括勞工 環保 農業的部分還走得下去嗎 |
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你沒有涉獵到但是你們國貿局底下也是有參與啊你們經濟部會沒有參與嗎會不清楚嗎應該要清楚才對啊怎麼會不可能我查過你們是小組之一嗎回答一下讓得下去嗎你等他上任你現在都沒有評估不會吧 |
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還在等所以預期到人家的政策方向是這樣子啦你們現在ING進行中有沒有可能繼續你真的沒有辦法回到本席沒有做一個評估我有點壓抑欸跟委員報告針對川普他的團隊要嚴厲要 |
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提升那個關稅這個部分我們是有在做研究說有哪一些廠商或哪一些一個是自由化一個是要提高關稅壁壘一個是走經濟民族主義一個是採取那個自由化的方式完全是不一樣的你怎麼會沒有一個政策判斷呢第一個是這一個第二個他關稅如果提高的話我就問你一個嘛他關稅之所以提高原因是在三半位順利差的部分嘛對不對 |
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他認為對他美國國家損失嘛那我就問你啦 強勢我們再算2024年我們對美國的粗糙你知道多少嗎最新的數字 |
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649億沒有沒有我現在這邊數字是649億然後你比2023的部分成長了83.5%大幅成長大幅成長喔之前大概300多億而已你看看我們有沒有可能會被針對的對象有沒有可能我們是列在第十幾個 |
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報告委員那這個其實是一個所謂一個像我們對中國的出口這我知道啦我們廠商撤回來從我們這邊出口就算我們的啦但是事實上就增加了嘛是報告委員那我們出口到這個美國的產品基本上都是中間品其實是對它經濟發展是非常有利的我們會從這個方面所以你不認為我們會被制裁我們關稅不會被提高你很樂觀很有把握 |
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我們會盡量去跟美方去溝通我跟你講人家我們之前在財政委員會央行都有具體的做法他說要平衡這個貿易順利差的部分第一個買武器第二個買農產品第三個買他的天然能源也就是天然氣你們沒有做 |
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你們連有做都沒有做都不曉得我都可以查出來了你們之前是澳洲卡達最近美國已經買到他10%了跟美國能源合作這一塊我們有在研擬也在研擬那我就想要請教你嘛央行都提出具體主張那我請問一下經濟部對於這種現象有沒有什麼具體主張嘛那個尤其是你要退休我在問你這個實在沒有意思啊但是你現在還是官員啊 |
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跟委員報告那個尤其是那個應該是4月份的有什麼具體做法嗎你總不能要告訴我說1月20號上任債來說5月份的那個美國USA我們會擴大 |
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整個投資團會過去具體一點擴大投資團會是什麼擴大你就是等於要買美國的東西買更多一點那這個是除了有購買有投資之外這個是尤其是ICT產業或電動車產業怎麼在美國跟美墨之間怎麼去做一個投資 |
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你投資社長當然就不用算出口的金額這是救地的方式好方式就是減除我們這個貿易順差的數字這個我理解但是問題是你直接跟美國買的部分他還比較開心一點你可以跟他買什麼 |
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武器不是你管的嘛 農業不是你管的嘛經濟部你管的可以管什麼嘛 能源我們有在研議啦能源 我剛剛說的啊 天然氣能不能不透露一下除了本席說的以外的東西 還有沒有其他的嘛天然氣在我們整個能源政策的佔比是佔50% 天然氣當然重要啊買這個本來就符合我們能源政策 你還有沒有其他的方式我問了這麼久了目前沒有都沒有 目前都沒有 |
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目前都沒有我建議那個次長 退休之前跟部長講一下啦我知道部長很忙啦這個問題是最重要的啦我們很有可能會被鎖定啦謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，有請經濟部的連次，還有財政部的李次。 |
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請經濟部連次長、財政部李次長。 |
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0.308 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:45.723000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:46.304000+08:00 |
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先請連次。 |
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0.5 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:46.304000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:47.785000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:47.785000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:49.507000+08:00 |
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連次，你這麼早退休是國家的損失啊！ |
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0.867 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:50.067000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:50.207000+08:00 |
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沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:50.207000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:52.089000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員關心。 |
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0 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:35:52.089000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:26.702000+08:00 |
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連次，今天這一個主題當中稅式支出的報告，我看到誘發的投資金額，智慧機械還占440億，但是新增部分的AI只占了72億，老實講我是覺得很誇張，因為國發會跟國科會已經投入百億的研發經費，預計要帶動產業的發展，再加上行政院說要推動大南方的新矽谷計畫，也在臺南的沙崙建立了AI產業園區，賴總統甚至說要打造成一個人工智慧島，要成為全球AI的影響力中心。 |
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0.922 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:26.982000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:30.766000+08:00 |
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我請教一下次長，72億可以達到這種效果嗎？ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:32.516000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:37.517000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，你講的72億是購置設備啦！ |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:37.517000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:39.078000+08:00 |
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是硬體？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-15T09:36:39.078000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:44.099000+08:00 |
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但是設備它誘發出來的效果不是72億，只是購置設備而已。 |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:44.559000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:45.179000+08:00 |
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設備而已？對。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-15T09:36:45.339000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:48.040000+08:00 |
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所以基本上後面potential的部分大概有多少？ |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:48.160000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:52.041000+08:00 |
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potential不一樣，搞不好會有10倍、20倍左右。對啊！ |
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1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:52.221000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:53.161000+08:00 |
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你們要寫清楚啊！ |
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1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:53.321000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:54.402000+08:00 |
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這要寫出來才有感覺嘛！ |
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1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:36:55.390000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:06.096000+08:00 |
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不然你花那麼多國家經費下去，然後喊了口號又震天響，結果導致的結果就72億，還跟傳統智慧機械的部分440億差那麼多。 |
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0.917 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:06.636000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:26.494000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分，川普1月20號要上任，川普要上任的時候，拜登時代我們跟他談了21世紀貿易協議，基本上是要走向自由化，可是川普你也知道，他現在對外關稅已經成立一個專責機構，也就是說他拉高關稅，基本上兩個是相牴觸的。 |
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0.989 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:26.955000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:34.585000+08:00 |
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我就問你一個問題，這21世紀貿易協議我們已經要進入第二階段的深水區，包括勞工、環保、農業的部分，還走得下去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:34.585000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:36.383000+08:00 |
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報告委員，這部分我沒有涉獵到…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:36.383000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:41.305000+08:00 |
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你沒有涉獵到，但是你們國貿局底下也是有參與啊！ |
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1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:41.525000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:44.526000+08:00 |
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你們經濟部會沒有參與嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:44.526000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-15T09:37:46.527000+08:00 |
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會不清楚嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:46.527000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:47.527000+08:00 |
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貿易署可不可以來說明一下。 |
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0 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:46.527000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-15T09:37:48.087000+08:00 |
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應該要清楚才對啊！ |
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1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:48.248000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:50.288000+08:00 |
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怎麼會不知道，我查過你們是小組之一嘛！ |
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0.824 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:50.768000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:51.109000+08:00 |
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回答一下。 |
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1 |
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連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:51.109000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:52.109000+08:00 |
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我請貿易署的副署長…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:51.689000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:51.989000+08:00 |
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run得下去嗎？ |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
劉副署長威廉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:51.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:52.989000+08:00 |
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委員好，這個部分我們要等川普政府上來之後…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:51.989000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:37:52.429000+08:00 |
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你等他上任？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:52.729000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-15T09:37:53.249000+08:00 |
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你現在都沒有評估？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-15T09:37:53.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-15T09:37:53.609000+08:00 |
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不會吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:04.480000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:04.700000+08:00 |
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還在等？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
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郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:05.621000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:07.423000+08:00 |
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就預期到人家的政策方向是這樣子啦！ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:07.903000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:14.870000+08:00 |
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你們現在ing進行中，有沒有可能繼續，你居然沒有辦法回答本席，沒有做一個評估，我有點訝異耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:16.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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2025-01-15T09:38:26.377000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，針對川普的團隊要研議提升關稅，我們是有在研議有哪一些廠商或哪一些…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:27.037000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:37.940000+08:00 |
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一個是自由化，一個是要提高關稅壁壘；一個是走經濟民族主義，一個是採取自由化的方式，完全是不一樣的，你怎麼會沒有一個政策判斷呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
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郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:38.120000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-15T09:38:39.420000+08:00 |
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這是第一個。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
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2025-01-15T09:38:39.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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2025-01-15T09:38:43.121000+08:00 |
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第二個，它的關稅如果提高的話，我就問你一個，關稅之所以提高的原因是在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:44.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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2025-01-15T09:38:44.922000+08:00 |
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是為了平衡順逆差的部分嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:45.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-15T09:38:45.242000+08:00 |
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對不對？對。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:46.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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2025-01-15T09:38:47.863000+08:00 |
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他認為是美國國家的損失嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:48.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-15T09:38:56.367000+08:00 |
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那我就問你，常次，我們再來算，2024年我們對美國的出超，你知道多少嗎？超過500…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-15T09:38:59.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:11.061000+08:00 |
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649億，我現在這邊的數字是649億，然後你比2023的部分成長了83.5%，大幅成長，大幅成長喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:11.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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2025-01-15T09:39:17.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
之前大概三百多億而已，你看看我們有沒有可能會成為被針對的對象，有沒有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:17.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:19.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我們是列在第十幾個。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
劉副署長威廉 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:20.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:27.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
報告委員，這個其實是所謂……像我們對中國的出口…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:28.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:28.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:29.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:31.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我們廠商撤回來，從我們這邊出口就算我們的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:31.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:33.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
但是事實上就增加了嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉副署長威廉 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:33.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:41.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
報告委員，我們出口到美國的產品，基本上都是中間品，其實對他的經濟發展是非常有利的，我們會從這個方面對美方訴求…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:42.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:44.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
所以你不認為我們會被制裁、關稅不會被提高？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:45.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:47.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你很樂觀，很有把握？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
劉副署長威廉 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:48.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:49.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們會儘量跟美方去溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:50.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-15T09:39:51.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
去溝通？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-15T09:39:51.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:09.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我跟你講，我們之前在財政委員會，央行都有具體的作法，它說要平衡貿易順逆差的部分，第一個，買武器；第二個，買農產品；第三個，買它的天然能源，也就是天然氣。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:09.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:09.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你們有沒有做？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:11.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:14.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你們連有沒有做都不曉得，我都查出來了！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:14.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:15.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
跟委員報告，能源合作…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:15.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:17.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你們之前是跟澳洲、卡達……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:17.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:19.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
最近跟美國已經買到10%了。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:19.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:22.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
跟美國能源合作這一塊我們有在研議。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:22.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:23.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
也在研擬。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:23.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:31.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我想要請教你，央行都提出具體主張，我請問一下，經濟部對於這種現象有沒有什麼具體主張？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:33.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:37.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你已經快退休了，我問你這個問題實在很沒有意思，但是你現在還是官員。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:38.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:41.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
跟委員報告，尤其應該是4月份的SelectUSA…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.591 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:42.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:43.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
有沒有什麼具體做法嘛？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:43.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:44.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
你總不能又告訴我1月20號上任再來說。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:44.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:53.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
5月份美國的SelectUSA我們會擴大，整個投資團會過去，那個就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.645 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:53.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:53.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
具體一點，擴大投資團隊是怎麼擴大？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:53.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:55.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
就是買美國的東西買更多一點嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-15T09:40:55.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-15T09:40:56.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
除了有購買、有投資之外，尤其是ICT產業或電動車產業怎麼在美國跟美墨之間去投資、怎麼balance，這個我們有在做。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.698 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:12.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:15.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
你投資設廠當然就不用算出口的金額。對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:15.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:27.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
這是就地的好方式，就是減除我們貿易順差的數字，這個我理解，但是問題是你直接跟美國買的部分，它還比較開心一點，你可以跟它買什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:28.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:31.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
武器不是你管的，農業不是你管的，但經濟部是你管的，可以管什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:31.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:32.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
你就直接具體跟我講嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:32.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:34.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
能源我們有在研議。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:35.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:41.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
能源就是我剛剛說的天然氣，你能不能透露一下除了本席說的以外的東西，還有沒有其他的？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:42.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:47.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
天然氣在我們整個能源的占比是50%，天然氣當然重要。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:48.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:50.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
買這個本來就符合我們的能源政策。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:50.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:51.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
你還有沒有其他的方式？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:54.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:54.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我問了這麼久了。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:55.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:55.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
目前沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:56.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:56.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
都沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:57.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-15T09:41:57.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
目前都沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-15T09:41:59.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-15T09:42:00.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
目前都沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
郭委員國文 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-15T09:42:01.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-15T09:42:10.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我建議次長退休之前跟部長講一下，我知道部長很忙，這個問題是最重要的，我們很有可能會被鎖定。好。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-15T09:42:10.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-15T09:42:12.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
謝謝郭國文委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2025-01-15T09:42:13.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2025-01-15T09:42:15.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
兩位次長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2025-01-15T09:42:15.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2025-01-15T09:42:18.672857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
下一位質詢請鄭天財委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |