| IVOD_ID |
15884 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15884 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-06T09:56:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-06T13:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:26:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddd5d059b51b1cfc70f4a42f9ad589daa43be8d109af184be4bf874e6574f111fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-06T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長王國材「針對台鐵票價上漲暨列車準點率提升作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:09 - 13:23:00 |
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好,出席委員與主法令人數現在開會請議事委員宣讀上次會議的意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第14全體委員會議議事錄時間113年5月2日星期四上午9時至中午10時29分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員李坤哲等13人列席委員舒巧慧等22人列席官員行政院公共工程委員會主任委員吳哲成等主席李昭齊委員坤哲報告思想宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定 |
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邀請行政院公共工程委員會勞動部進行專題報告．並備質詢討論四項審查113年度中央政府總預算關於行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案計7案本日會議由行政院公共工程委員會主任委員吳哲成勞動部職業安全衛生署署長周芷年報告及說明後藉由委員林國成等18人提出質詢 |
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均經相關人員分別予以答覆決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員廖先祥所提書面諮詢列入紀錄並刊登公報三、委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請行政院公共工程委員會及導動部盡數以書面答覆決議行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結案暨期案均同意凍資提報委員會通過附帶決議以下散會宣讀完畢 |
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好,現在我們介紹在場的委員齁,廖先祥委員好,請坐介紹我們官員齁,交通部胡政務次長好,請坐公共運輸局監理司林福山司長,請坐,請坐陸政局道安司黃韻貴司長,請坐會計處張新義處長,請坐 |
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國安營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司杜威董事長,謝謝請坐。鐵道局楊振軍局長,請坐。公路局陳文瑞局長,請坐。公安署周庭章副署長,請坐。今天交通部王部長因公請下照準,請胡政務次長代理。 |
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請問各位委員,上次會議的意思錄有無錯誤或是遺漏之處?沒有,我們召喚通過意思錄確定本日進行交通部針對台鐵票價上漲及列車準點率提升作為專題報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位先生、女士今天應邀至大院交通委員會報告針對台鐵票價上漲暨列車準點率提升的作為 |
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那由於台鐵的票價是在民國84年調整後動漲到現在總共有將近29年沒有做調整隨著 |
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人事跟維修成本的陸續增加使客戶運營的這個成本徒增我們希望能夠回歸合理的財務結構跟市場機制並透過正常的收入來支應未來的營運但是呢 因為票價調整機制有一定的法定程序可以由國營 台灣 |
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《鐵路股份有限公司進行研議合理化的票價調整方案》是該公司循序提報本部後將審慎進行審議並評估公司內部的營運條件外部的社會經濟情勢市場的供需情形以及對社會大眾及乘車旅客的衝擊跟影響最後再續報行政院核定 |
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針對近年來台鐵準點率趨勢已經有逐漸提升本部都同台鐵公司現刻正加強各項旅運服務以安全準點為核心目標並致力提供快捷準確的旅運服務持續努力提升列車的準點率 |
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這樣的一個指標已經納入了台鐵公司年度業務績效面向的考核項目同時也將確保營運安全改善霧點的問題來提升服務等優先作為優先事項以期待給旅客更加的乘車品質跟 |
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請台鐵公司 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天應邀到交委會來進行專題報告．並備質詢．以下請就台鐵票價上漲暨列車準點率提升作為．進行專題報告 |
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一、台鐵票價上漲的議題背景說明是一、鐵路法第26條第一項規定國營鐵路運價率之計算公式由交通部擬定報請行政院送請立法院審定之變更是一同同條第二項規定國營鐵路之運價按前項公式計算由交通部報請行政院核定實施變更是一同 |
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在立法院大院76年合訂鐵路客戶運價計算公式每兩年台鐵局跟台鐵公司都會依循來做檢討從84年開始雖然都有做檢討兩年一次但是已經有29年沒有辦法獲得獲准調整票價 |
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目前辦理情形依據今年4月1號王部長在交通委員會第6次全體委員會議中表示在今年下半年度再來進行台鐵票價合理化方案的討論本公司原例 |
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將按這個立法院決議的票價調整公式以去年112年決算的成本資料並且考量公司內部營運的條件外部社會經濟情勢市場供需等等情形來研議票價合理化方案那這個合理化的方案呢 |
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必須經由公司董事會通過以後才能在韓報交通部提送費力審議委員會來進行審議最後續報行政院來核定第二部分報告臺鐵公司列車準點率提升的作為那依今年臺鐵公司的列車準點率在我們公司持續積極辦理各項設備的改善 |
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車輛的態換以及車輛的投入等等我們的列車準點率從108年的90.97%逐步提升到去年112年的95.98%近5年列車準點率的一個提升的情形請參閱我們考量在近來列車主要誤點原因大概是 |
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以天然災變跟死傷事故這些不可控的因素是為主那當然那其他包括我們車輛還有我們的設備這也是有在相當比例是我們要持續努力來加強來做改善的這個地方 |
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那未來這個台鐵公司將持續加強各項的一個防範包括災害包括應變來維護我們行車的安全跟提升我們準點率的一個作為 |
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後續改善作為台鐵公司會針對耗資故障跟車輛故障的這一部分持續積極辦理各項行車設備改善汰換的計畫引進行車並強化維修跟這個維養的流程並進行資訊化的系統的管理 |
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提升行車設備跟列車的妥善率其次針對剛剛講有部分不可控因素我們會加強安全宣導提升用路輪的安全意識另外也會強化車站月台等等的設施避免旅客在月台會有意外的發生 |
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第三項就是列車準點率現在已經納到我們公司的營業面向的重點評估指標之一所以我們會逐劑檢討設定列車準點率的目標值持續來進行管制跟改善 |
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相關的KPI也列入公司年度的考核來要求我們公司內部一定要來達成113年的準點率我們是會達到97% |
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964.335 |
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臺鐵公司是為了確保營運安全提升準點率跟旅運服務品質這三個重點都是列為我們公司的優先推動事項以其提供旅客跟民眾更好的乘車品質跟體驗同時能夠推動公司邁向永續經營以上報告敬請各位委員支持指教謝謝總長等一下是 |
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你這個台鐵跟高鐵,你這個競爭對象是高鐵嗎?淨河淨河?淨河他有錢賺你沒錢賺?你現在從北部到高雄的票價等於跟高鐵快接近啊?對,你怎麼競爭?我當然做高鐵,我幹嘛做你台鐵?是不是? |
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你講的是競合,我講的是競爭,這裡就有問題了你現在賺錢主要是靠東部嘛,你東部有賺啊所以我跟你說明,你這個報告你再去想一想你們台鐵跟高鐵你怎麼競爭,你競爭不過他欸你競爭不過他的話這個問題又來了,到時候你公司繼續會虧損,你們整個的戰略好不好 |
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你可能要考慮一下請問現在進行詢答先宣告以下事項發言時間出席委員5分鐘列席委員4分鐘委員發言登記在11點30分截止各委員如果有提案請在11點前提出以便議事委員會診 |
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現在暫定11點30分休息10分鐘,中午五點熱上不休息我們再處理臨時提案好不好?我想廖先生委員來了齁不是廖先生,那個林沛翔委員提案齁是不是提案我們先處理一個,因為提案只有一個很簡單沛翔委員說明一下好不好,提案說明不是委員要先宣讀先宣讀好先宣讀一下好了先宣讀 |
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臨時提案一提案人委員林佩祥等﹖汽車運輸業管理規則第4條條文對於快線式路線僅能以公路客運行事經營路線變更票價調整短端載客等限制較大下造成區域路線難以與市區公車整合造成民眾使用上困擾 |
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1099.922 |
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宣讀完畢 |
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在位子上謝謝主席基本上我這個提案的目的就是為了說像在基隆跟桃園的國道路線其實這個跨縣市的國道路線他們是這個從基隆到台北跟桃園到台北雖然是不到50公里的短程公車短程國道公車路線但是事實上來講是讓我們很多業者是難以經營的 |
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所以這個臨時提案的目的是希望說公務總局我們交通部這邊可以在法規上面做一定程度在運輸業管理規則上面做一定程度的微調讓說地方政府如果有需要如果法源依據可以讓地方政府也可以進來幫助我們的這個幫助我們的客運業者也讓我們的目前的通勤族 |
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不管是基隆通勤族也好還是桃園通勤族也好可以讓他們的路線維持下去讓更多的人來去使用這個國道公車目前來講我們現在遇到的困境就是說第一個補助不足不過當然我們知道補助可能最近會有一些改善那第二個就是說地方政府如果想幫忙的時候他們也幫不上忙 |
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這一點的話這條運輸管理規則臨時提案的改變就是基於這一點那如果這一點能夠改善的話我本席認為針對國道公車針對跨線跨線式國道公車的利用尤其是短程從基隆到臺北或從桃園到臺北的短程的利用會大幅度增加這實質上會幫助我們國一在早上7點到9點之間的用車狀況以上好我們提案一共兩個第二個提案這個先讀一下 |
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先處理這個?先處理這個,因為市長已經有修正的意見那個寬延部分有沒有意見? |
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報告主席針對這個提案的這個方向原則上我們認同但是跟委員報告一下現在就是相鄰兩縣市就是部分的話都沒有問題那所以現在要處理的部分是針對這一個相鄰跨三縣市以上的部分那這個要修改規則所以我想說比較這一個就是說這一個針對林卓的部分是建議幾個文字做一個修正 |
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同意嗎那我們就照 |
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李佩祥的提案我們照修正意見通過,照修正意見通過,剩下你們去處理,那宣讀第二個案 |
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臨時提案2提案人委員林佩祥等﹐台鐵公司化後﹐積極於盈利獲取﹐負掠長期漠視東部鐵路建設﹐此外一票籃球自問題仍未有效解決﹐在此諸多問題仍需台鐵競速嚴處 |
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之餘．提出最為不相關之漲票價政策嚴重損壞東部民眾搭乘權益。原此,建請交通部及台鐵公司在花東鐵路電氣化及雙軌化,尚未完成且東部 |
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1350.75 |
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一票難求之情況仍無效解決之前決議動漲台鐵東部列線之票價避免帶給東部民眾及外縣市觀光客之衝擊宣讀完畢 |
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董事長有沒有意見請說明一下報告主席跟各位委員這個提案是剛剛才拿到不過這裡面有講其實我們的票價已經有29年沒有調這個情形之下 |
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我們其實在這麼多年以來我們的服務跟我們的運能都有提升這個要先說明一下那針對這個臨時提案我們是建議在倒數第二行就是倒數第二行改成及東部鐵路運能提升之前及東部鐵路運能提升之前延逸動漲台鐵東部列線之票價 |
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動能提升之前運能你運能什麼時候提升啊?我們一直都有在提升 |
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我們近期還會繼續的有提升因為有逐漸的 報告召委現在應該是有逐漸的提升因為EMU3000的這樣的一個車都到達了他的車型載運量也更大所以這個一票籃球希望台鐵能夠逐漸的加以改善我看就照這個台鐵的修改動力來做處理 |
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好,那個建民委員提案人建民謝謝召委其實這個提案主要是因為我們在整個東部的運輸產產還沒有提升之前我們其實建議要動長這次的這個調整你運人 |
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你剛才再講一次運能提升之前電氣化跟雙國化都還沒有完成之前那整個運能還沒辦法提升嗎 董事長是 我跟委員報告 不好意思那個 因為這個我們票價的這個調整是29年沒有動那我們在近期 尤其在近期其實我們東部的運能已經有提升有提升將近30% |
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是已經有做改善所以我們在這邊也懇請齁能夠把這個因素也考量進去齁那這個我們會繼續來做努力啦齁那這有說明一下跟委員報告一下齁 |
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目前剛剛委員所關心的這個雙軌化等等這些事情確實對我們整個東部的班次的提升是最有效的這個幫助但是在目前的狀況來講的話現在它舊有的這個車輛已經用逐步用新的這個車輛比如說 |
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這件事情是需要逐步改善 |
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但是對於剛剛委員所建議的說這個雙軌化這個這些事情我是那部分還要很長的時間是不是能夠照我們台鐵公司的建議我們還是在運能運能是在走但是是不是能達到滿意那是一回事但是我建議就是倒數第二行這個決議這兩個字我們的言議就改一個決議改成言議 |
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演繹這個動盪的這個票價我們建議是不是做以上的這樣的修正李坤澤召委發言謝謝陳雪生召委那當然黃建斌委員針對花東台鐵的運量以及地方居民的權益提出這樣的一個提案其實我們都是給予尊重那對於相關提升運能這樣的一個建議其實我們也都全力的支持 |
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當然最主要是ENU的這個3000型我們是要買600輛其實現在已經進來564輛以上了那其實就是說新車進來其實運量都會有提升啦 |
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他的座位比較多那其實這是一個整體的問題我在這邊是比較具體的建議第一個就按照台鐵相關的這些文字的修正那第二其實針對花東的這些我想對觀光客的這些旅遊的補助不管是 |
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團客或是住宿的這些補貼交通部應該研擬更具體的這樣的一個方案不只是花蕾尤其是台東其實都是花東都是一個區域旅遊品牌他們的套裝旅遊路線比較連動成為一體那這個台東的部分也建議這個交通部針對觀光的旅遊的這樣的一個補助 |
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也能夠來更進一步的來提升來吸引更多的觀光客到花東旅遊以上 |
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因為鐵路對東部的不可取代性等於也是說我們整個東部唯一能夠連結北部跟南部唯一的方式就是做鐵路嘛那我當然相信董事長你們整個營運上有一切的考量那你的決議啦你要改成演繹要演繹是要多久的時間 |
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跟委員報告,這個原意我們上次部長在10月1號已經有講這是我們會在今年下半年來做討論下半年來討論好,如果政府願意發言 |
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我想董事長這裡因為建斌提出這個案當然就是不為了現在花東地區確確實實在現在在現在地震過後裡面我們政府觀光署都一直在提倡觀光那你現在在規劃要把它漲票價這個時機好嗎 |
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所以應該他提出這個理由應該可以去通通就是我們交通部哪有一面在促進觀光一面在漲票價這個東西在一個花東人跟台灣人民的想法確確實實是不同 |
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確確實實是不同有沒有可能就是這個專案有沒有可能你就跟我們黃委員承諾如果我票價再調整這個當中應該是兩年或三年這個部分我要調整但是因為他是災區所以我這兩年三年維持票價的原定一你也是響應 |
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花東地區的災情的問題那第二你們要調價的這些東西也是眼前在這兩年或三年我不會調但是我公式算出來我本來幾例本來是300塊我現在要漲380但是我現在占不漲為什麼我的理由就是因為花東地區是屬於災期有沒有可能 |
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這個董事長這裡或者我們市長這裡啊去做出這些承諾對於一鼓勵花東地區的那個那個體會他們二覺得我票價調整我是調整那現在我是這個才是真正動長我動長的理由合情合理以後人家不會講話所以我建議這裡是不是董事長 |
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杜董這裡可以思考這個邏輯市長也可以思考這個邏輯政府都在幫助他們怎麼會現在災期的時候你又要把他一視同仁的通通漲價這個有一點在情理講不過去依法有忌情理說不過去這點我是建議這個部分是不是市長跟董事長要做適當的回覆好 總統部 |
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好我剛剛聽到委員剛剛的大家的想法我在這邊做一個建議就是在現在委員所提案的文字裡頭做最小的修正這個因為1234在倒數第4行我順著文字念一遍 |
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1905.256 |
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1933.938 |
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原始建議交通部及台鐵公司在花東鐵路電氣化及雙軌化尚未完成且東部一票難求之情況仍無效解決之前原來文字是決議動長台鐵這後面一直到最後我建議是說決議案兩個字刪掉其他的就維持委員提案委員提案的文字 |
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1938.936 |
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1953.249 |
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把決議刪掉,刪掉都不刪掉,有什麼差別?這個決議在這邊看起來是多餘的,因為我剛剛念到從倒數第四行後面下來,我們都會站。不是啊,你就是同意他動長嘛。 |
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1955.439 |
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1959.941 |
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我會參照委員的意見在未來台鐵公司研擬這個方案的時候把委員的意見考慮進來 |
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1988.799 |
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2017.215 |
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現在市長跟董事長不宜去,因為發動是災區啊你現在不是雪上加霜嗎?是不是?建情兩個字也劃掉好不好?原詞建情建情要不要劃掉?要不要刪掉?要建情嗎?建情要保留?要問他們?建情問委員的意見不過你們不要去長了啦,真的 |
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2018.521 |
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2022.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
這時候再漲有沒有雪上加霜尤其偏鄉離島 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2025.362 |
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2051.372 |
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這個報告召委當然我們對花東的這些交通以及民眾在深受地震衝擊之後生活的狀況我們都應該要給最溫暖最有力量的支持那其實票價的動漲是全國性一致的這樣的一個標準那其實我們可以想更多的具體的方案例如說因為現在到底 |
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2052.572 |
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2068.773 |
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長不長價還不知道或是要漲多少也都不清楚那相關的我們應該是兩個這樣的一個方案來給予協助第一個方案就是如果這個票價的調整我們可以針對花東 |
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2070.755 |
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2089.904 |
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深受地震衝擊的這些地方的民眾我們應該給予專案的補助這些交通的補助就是說相關的這些鐵路的運輸我們的這些票價能夠給予補貼因為受到地震的這個衝擊這個是可以來做考慮的 |
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2092.785 |
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2110.729 |
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第二個就是我剛才說的就是說像花東的旅遊不管是團費或者是這種個人旅客的這樣的一個住宿或者是交通我們相關的補助可以來給優惠這個部分也可以來做一個思考 |
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2111.65 |
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這都是同樣的雖然說在票價的這個給台鐵一個比較大的空間之外但是我們也可以兼顧花東地區民眾的交通權益以及對花東民眾交通的這樣的一個權利的 |
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2128.929 |
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2155.703 |
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這樣的一個照顧這個請黃委員來做思考第一個我再重申一遍就針對花東的相關台鐵的這些如果說有漲價與否我們來討論是否給予專案的這樣的一個補助其實也達到同樣的效果第二就是說我們針對觀光旅遊團費以及散客的這個補助來優惠來更於提高 |
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2156.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2162.57 |
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那我想花東的民眾對黃建斌委員的努力一定會非常的一個肯定以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2165.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2192.553 |
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現在金平委員他前面還是有敬請當然我們立法院對行政院立法院對行政院我們沒有行政權我們只能給他建議我們只能建議當然剛才所述前述的理由都已經很詳細的說明了花東現在是災區你在這個時候你不做動長的決定你可以講多久時間或是幹什麼因為你來個建請有沒有你們彈性很大 |
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2193.813 |
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2220.008 |
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你可做可不做雖然我們胡市長講說動長我們只是建議你這樣你可動長可不動長是不是所以我覺得你這裡面應該有更清楚的表示這樣對我們黃建民委員提出來的比較公平好不好市長你看這裡面動長這裡面怎麼樣你再加個文字上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2221.597 |
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2228.62 |
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一年以後再討論漲價的事情還是怎麼樣?能不能文字上修正一下?我們進行的話對你們還是沒有約束的力量 |
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2242.594 |
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2270.96 |
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我還是建議這個案子就是決議兩個字我覺得是多的啦我們整個方向是這樣子好的這個沒關係啦對剛剛林委員講林委員講那個部分重點是我們這個票價的機制怎麼去運作我們把它建議出來但是對於像林委員剛剛談的針對災區或者其他的特別的專案我們在那種情況改善之前我們去動長這個部分我覺得可以去考慮對我是建議朝這個方向來 |
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2271.3 |
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2294.282 |
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你這樣嘛,你災區還沒復原以前嘛,暫行動長嘛應該這樣會比較好,立場比較好為什麼高雄要漲,阿我不漲,阿但是他的理由是因為暫期所以市長我覺得說...麥克風?你在災區,災區還沒復原以前嘛 |
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2295.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2313.7 |
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市長跟董事長因為主席講這個是對的把災區放下去把災區放下去人家才知道阿你們通盤整個票價的規劃你們去進行但是因為他災區還沒有恢復以前阿他是動長的或許你寫動長暫定一年期是災區這個重建復原以後 |
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2323.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2324.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
再行考慮調漲的事情倒數第二行 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2341.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2365.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
這文字是且東部原來的文字是一票難求等等如果這件事情可以可以接受因為他們現在已經在改善了反而是剛剛林委員所提到的這個災區完成復原之前動漲對可以嗎可以好不好這災區完全復原以前且東部災區完成復原前動漲台鐵這個列車準票價對在災區 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2376.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2397.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
在東部災區在東部災區完全復原以前動長台鐵東部列車完全復原以前嘛動長嘛市長再唸一次在東區在東部災區完全復原以前在東部災區且東部 |
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2401.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2403.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
災區完全復原之前動漲台鐵東部 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2419.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2432.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
謝謝主席今天會提這個提案最主要也是要強調整個東部的交通的弱勢我們就只有仰賴鐵路在很多問題都沒有解決之前你這樣子的調漲票價對東部人是很不公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2436.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2458.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那當然我們都還沒有提到災區的問題這個都還沒有提到就光是現有的狀況就是這樣子了所以本席會提這個案子主要要強調這件事情那不過想想今天大家委員也是很很關心整個東部的發展特別是在災區這一塊我就尊重主席這邊的意思尊重主席好尊重齁好好邱平委員謝謝你了齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2460.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2487.114 |
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不過將來他條長還是會跟你商量一下吧,該漲就漲了,那個董事長好不好尊重一下區域的委員他還沒提到災區的事情他現況就是這樣子了好,臨時提案已經處理完畢了如果有委員對上述提案補簽或是列入記錄的並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2489.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2506.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那現在請登記第一位廖宣祥委員發言謝謝主席麻煩邀請我們次長我們董事長董事長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2517.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2531.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
先跟次長還有董事長報告一下其實我的選區有10多個火車站所以說我特別關心台鐵的議題那其實如果以上班族來講以通勤上班族來講在合理的票價之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2531.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2560.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
那上班族更在乎的應該是我們搭乘的一個體驗那體驗包括我們的準點率以及我們的班次我們符合需求這兩個相對於都會區來講是更為重要的那在準點率的方面那我們看台鐵的報告因為長期以來大家都是比較有負面的印象這應該不用去否認那在去年的時候準點率到了我們的報告是到96%嗎那我先確認一下我們的準點率的定義是如何定義的以及這幾年有沒有做過調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2564.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2580.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
跟委員報告我們準點率的定義就是列車晚分到終點站晚分超過5分鐘那就是這個列車就是算是所以是以終點站來當標準嗎那5分這個東西有沒有調整過有一段時間沒有調整過一段時間很多年國際標準大概從幾年明明過幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2590.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2609.161 |
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有印象嗎?沒有,這個我要查一下好,沒關係,這只是5分鐘那我們的標準就是到最後一站的5分鐘那也就是說如果說到中間的許多因為我們的列車都非常,有些還蠻長的嘛那中間的這個誤點每一站都誤點到了最後一站 |
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2610.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2636.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
開到五分鐘內就不算誤點了那這樣子的一個標準好像就是跟民眾實際上的感受會有很大的落差也就是說我們台鐵公司雖然說我們的準點率到了96%但這個96%是到了最後一站最後一站可能是最後我們那個加速ㄍㄧㄥ一下還怎麼樣子的大家催一下油門後面這個過了都會區這個大家說點時間但是可能在我們在比較需要密集的 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2638.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2663.156 |
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都會區大家搭乘最多的地方你可能還是有一些顧點的情況那也就是說可能還會產生我們民眾的感受跟我們台鐵產生出來的一個數據那可能有一些落差那我們期待說我們後來可能在準點率上面的要求我們期待不要只有要求到這個終點站了而是各站之間應該都要有一個明確的一個規範當標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2665.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2691.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
這點可以嗎?或許可以在統計上面把各站的部分也都納進去嗎?是 各位委員報告其實我們鐵路行車我們是很嚴謹的一個規定如果說前面晚了5分鐘說在最後一個站把他趕5分鐘回來這是不太可能的但是剛剛委員提及以前斷後斷對不對我是真的講一個站啦是指過了密集區嘛人數比較少一開門就馬上關門之類的啦那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2696.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2711.143 |
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所以跟委員報告這個部分我們會特別注意我們在沿途各站每一列車他的一個準點的管控我們會來注意後續可以把相關物點的統計資料把各站員都拉進去嗎 |
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2714.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2730.72 |
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這可能才會比較切身的符合民眾對我們台鐵霧點有沒有改善的感受這我們來研議好不好你要說服民眾那就是我們自己的數據要能夠取信於眾那第二點就是我們的班次密集度 |
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2731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2745.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
那我想很多我們台灣同胞台灣的人民都有到日本去做一些大宗運輸那其實日本的大宗運輸跟我們台灣一樣跟台鐵一樣他都有不同的一個列車嘛 |
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2746.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2761.4 |
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對 不同的速度那不同的一個停靠站那但是為什麼日本的包括JR等等的路線他的班次密集度都是比我們台鐵還高很多那我們台鐵針對班次密集度上面的一個改善這集你們有什麼具體的作為 |
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2762.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2782.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
各委員報告其實日本的鐵路它的軌道也有比我們低的也有比我們高的那主要的條件還是在於說行車控制跟耗資系統是那我們這幾年有沒有做一些具體的改善措施有有有我們也有在做這一方面的優化有 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2782.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2808.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
那剛剛講的這個可能耗資的改善等等的措施那我們有沒有訂定一個明確的期程我們民國幾年的時候我們耗資的改善措施完成之後我們台鐵的一個班次可以明顯的一個提升我們的目標這個就是有跟委員報告我們對於整個準點率在每一年我們的KPI都會把這個對這個是準點率我是講的是班次 |
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2809.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2829.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
班次的部分班次的一個密度是嗎是班次的密度這個要看我們剛剛報告的我們對於耗資跟我們整個行控系統的改善對目前有在改善了嘛對不對有嗎有有那永總是有一個目標嘛有一個目標年是那這個目標年大概是民國幾年 |
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2833.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2860.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
這個有關於班次的改善這個要看我們實際耗資系統的一個進度我們總是有一個目標嘛這個目標你應該不會講不出來吧你說5年10年還是15年總是有一個目標年嘛是是是 這個還是要看那個耗資系統的進度我再跟委員報告好嗎好 後續再提供我們委員會資料好不好好 謝謝董事長 謝謝市長 謝謝趙偉好 謝謝廖宣祥委員 |
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2861.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2889.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
下一位請林國成委員發言主席請我們胡次長還有杜董事長好來 |
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2891.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2909.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
來胡次長來杜董我想在整個官方的台鐵轉為民營其目的是什麼?次長阿加杜董一個人二十秒為什麼台鐵轉為民營?我們希望台鐵的經營 |
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2920.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2943.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
台鐵的經營能夠有效﹖能夠永續經營﹖同時達到安全便利的目標好來董事長是就是剛剛市長有講我們大概有四個目標確保安全提升服務永續經營跟我們公司本身要成為一個幸福企業好 |
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2944.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
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當然因為兩位阿這種理想化當然本席也認為OK啦但是我今天要跟你探討的第一來董事長你看一下齁來第一個改為民營阿福利沒有增加薪水比別人低人才流失阿這個部分來董事長二月份招考 |
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跟 爭取為什麼 招考不足董事長 |
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這個委員報告招考不足因素有幾個最主要因素是我們在這一次我們從業人員的招考我們是分區域的那我們也發現在東區是這種情形比較顯著就是在東區我們招考的這個情形是比較不理想一點好 |
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董事長其實我坦白講次長所講的不管你們民營機構他跟這個競爭力啊當然 |
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在我的認為 台鐵完全屬於政府首屬但是現在轉為民營在各種的活潑性 競爭力以及行政法人當中在這個部分當然有很多舉例 招標 管理 經營是較為彈性的 |
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所以不要一開始啊就這些福利也沒有增加薪水也比別人低人才都招不進來這代表什麼就代表你們在規劃的過程當中是沒有吸引力的沒有吸引力的所以國家的台鐵轉為國家的民營企業 |
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這是給你們很大空間所以當然轉為民營就要有企業精神就要有創新的做法這不是這樣嗎 董事長 |
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所以不料死板板的連一開始現在事業力這麼高怎麼會招不到人呢那招出來的人請問一下你們要去寫寫人家日本交通事業的這個鐵道管理他也是國營但是他是民營經營的精神 |
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你知道喔你知道他們的員工一進來規定158以上或160那是亭亭毅力的阿你是車長列車長你應該要怎麼樣的禮數就像百貨公司的禮數一看到人 |
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看到人他是90度急攻的同樣一件事情會讓人家感覺是不一樣的感覺這才是轉為民營最主要的原因不是嗎所以董事長這個部分我要拜託你要加強來第二個你們現在就要漲票價 |
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可是你這種你這種漲票價跟老百姓的感覺確確實實是有所差跡的所以我還是要建議董事長你這裡特別也要加強一下來最後來接下一張來董事長你到你到屏東潮州副站長喔親自跟你陳情來陳情什麼道歷 |
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就是有關於這位副總統跟我澄清的是有關於一些戰務的設施還有我們對員工的一個照顧還有對旅客的一個規定的一個要求好那個董事長因為我時間也到但是我坦白跟你講員工內部訴訟管道是不暢通的 |
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不要轉為民營的然後還是官僚氣息所有員工不是只有副站長副站長都可以跟你申訴可想而知其他的員工會變成怎麼樣所以這一點你不要被蒙在鼓裡這一點我要拜託我們董事長特別要去注意來請問一下董事長你們副總經理有多少我們現在有五位五位喔我告訴你喔 |
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我告訴你你做的決定任何一個副總經理就可以推翻你他認為我副總就是決定董事長總經理講的都沒有用董事長 |
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票價以前人民所有的乘客就是你們的資產所有你們應該要怎麼做拜託你們互中經理背負重感各自起死那我們尊重但是董事長跟總經理所講的話他可以推翻喔這是 |
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因為時間的關係我只是提供給董事長你未來要代表政府經營民營跟人家交通事業來對決來拼生意不是像你們現在的做法所以董事長票價要漲要善失先做給人家看再來漲票價啦 |
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國長來坐一下 |
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下一位請李坤德委員反應謝謝召委請林國成召委請杜威董事長還有胡祥林次長好來次長還有我們董事長 |
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市長好 董事長好關於台鐵票價的一個調整當然是社會已經討論很久的一個議題那其實我認為台鐵的票價的調整與否的確有它討論的一個空間但是目前台鐵所提出調漲的這個理由都太單薄了 |
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就是說因為29年沒有調整或是經營的成本等等這個我們對於調整要人民多交一塊錢都要以最嚴謹的態度來做一個說明就算了只調整一塊錢這都是很嚴肅的事情對於台鐵我認為在討論調整這個票價與否之前你必須要清楚跟民眾說明 |
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我們的安全我們的服務我們的準點要做到什麼程度預計要做到什麼程度當然這幾年我們對於相關的服務我們花了很多的錢買新車 |
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我們大概花了將近1000億買ENU900型跟ENU3000型那車輛其實都幾乎都已經要到了啦ENU900大概520輛都已經到了都到了那ENU3000預計來600輛也564輛也已經到了嗎對今年8月會到今年8月都會到就會到期嘛 |
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你買行車 我們也花很多的錢去改善安全我們的六點行車安全改善計畫我們的智慧的 電路智慧化的提升計畫以及我們的小半徑彎曲的改善計畫以及我們的軌道結構安全的改善計畫加起來都超過800億耶 |
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但是我們對安全我們要給我們的旅客怎樣的一個標準我們來看我們的安全我們以2024年1到3月來看我們的陣線出軌還有一件 |
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杜董事長 |
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我們來看我們相關的這些邊坡落實的告警這個當初我的建議也謝謝台鐵有逐步的在落實這一次的地震也有部分發揮它應該有的功能這個都要趕快的去做好在明年中之前相關的落實告警明年中之前還有38處要完成是不是來能不能完成可以在明年6月都會完成好另外 |
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雲南會2024年的零度運輸安全改善建立評估報告我們台鐵的改善的這個結案率只有67%還有3成以上都沒有完成 |
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這個要去落實也要提升啊這個杜董事長你們都要去加強要做到安全才來跟民眾講調整票價的議題另外就是對於服務讓我們現在有很多行車要趕快的上線尤其是花東現在U3000上線他的座位比較多嘛 |
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所以一位籃球的狀況會逐步的改善這個要趕快去加強相關的服務另外就是準點率了我們台鐵號稱我們準點率有上升2021年準點率是92.812023年準點率是95.98我們的準點率是不超過5分鐘嘛 是不是是日本是1分鐘日本的1分鐘也準點率跟我們差不多 |
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我們是五分鐘的這個還要再更精準的去做提升但是實際上我們看到霧點的車次其實沒有明顯減少你認為說準點率有提升但是霧點車次 |
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沒有明顯清楚就是說5點的時間反而明顯的增長你現在說你準點率有提升但是你的5點時間明顯增長你看2021年平均延誤時間是19分間19.6年那2023年平均延誤時間是提升到21.27年這個都要去改善而且2024年1到2月 |
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總共有5萬3305個車次延誤1到5分有8699列延誤6到44分有2011列延誤45分以上有73列你說在延誤準點差是不可以說去票價另外我們這個台鐵相關的安全你看我們的這個列車誤點的因素的統計 |
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天然災變、耗資故障、車輛故障、ATP故障、平交道、外屋入侵等等這些故障的類型就佔45%以上 |
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董事長 台鐵要永續經營 安全必須要提升服務必須要提升 準點必須要提升我們才有資格跟人民說 這個需要漲價不能單單以說 啊 票價很久沒漲了我們要 這個 要調整或成本的問題我們要換另外一個角度 跟民眾說 我們安全要做到什麼程度 |
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服務要做到什麼程度新車進來怎樣的增加幾個座位服務的狀況以及準點的這樣的要提升到怎樣的標準 |
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我們在討論票價調整的時候必須安全服務準點必須要提出來跟民眾來做說明另外一個問題就是說好現在大家在討論啊現在企業說要企業啊北高企業就要跟台鐵差不多啊會不會反而對我們的運輸會有衝擊跟影響來說明一下 |
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3766.287 |
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跟委員報告我們對整個研究會有一些細部的調整像剛剛講北高我們應該就會去研議看是不是用遞遠遞減的方式讓這個票價能夠更合理所以相關的這些研議我們現在還在進行現在說大家也在猜測 |
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例如北高高台鐵的票價會漲到1144或者是到1219那原本現在目前是843嘛你要調整到1144或者是到1219那其實大家覺得搭高鐵就好啦因為高鐵票價是1490啊 |
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這個會不會衝擊到這個這個真的要去好好的思考我還是認為說臺鐵要永續經營臺鐵的這樣的一個安全或是服務準點都要提升之外當然票價的調整 |
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我想民眾是認為已經有討論的空間有討論的空間但是我們要討論票價調整必須要清楚跟民眾說安全會到達什麼程度我們要相關的事故會降低到多少以下或是我們的服務我們的新車我們的座位提升多少服務的品質提升多少我們的相關的 |
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準點要提升到怎樣一個層次這個都必須要明確跟民眾來做說明是這個真的是一個很嚴肅的議題就算給民眾漲一塊錢都是很嚴肅的議題都要清楚的說明以上好 謝謝李坤澤委員好 現在請魯明哲委員發言 |
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謝謝主席,有請胡次長、杜董事長。 |
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這首先跟杜董這個 因為我內心現在在想一件事事實上在政府體制裡面在公司化雖然百分之百由政府持股但是已經給你最大的彈性希望你能夠有一些改變跟迎接這些挑戰當然這些的要迎接這個挑戰才剛開始才剛開始 |
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但我要拜託一下剛剛很多委員問到了首先第一個因為過去我們大概承襲很多日本的制度首先我們現在人是在過去主要是年功制年功制論資排輩大概要搞到爺爺的時候大概才可以做到什麼站長什麼之類的 |
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3946.522 |
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對不對其實他有他時代的背景而且長期為他企業付出我覺得是肯定可是如果跟你公私話這麼多年輕的兵力進來我們是期待怎麼因應這個新興的網路的時代民眾對於服務的一個要求他沒有辦法停在那個時代等你等你慢慢改變所以我也跟你反映過了我們看到很多的做到的站長 |
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3963.856 |
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說真的跟民眾大概問他什麼事啊還有說要答不答的也許不是每一個啦愛理不理的上面交代的事情跟他沒有關係啊反正我凹到這邊我黏公字啊所以我覺得這個一定要改變因為很簡單嘛 |
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3991.767 |
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我們當然跟年齡正相關經歷要正相關但是有時候我們有一些比較年輕的他能夠服務民眾更好對於近戰的民眾甚至在第一線售票的在車上服務跟民眾接觸的我覺得這個非常重要你要求這個票價調整拜託拜託啦那我看當時部長講說也是大概到了非調不可的這個情況如果是這樣 |
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3993.427 |
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我要拜託一下你們觀念一定要改變過去你們主要用兩個思考來調票價第一個是什麼車種什麼車種比如說是志強號然後第二個呢是哪一站到哪一站就定一個票價出來哪怕是志強號從頭用爬的爬6小時過去到高雄好了我跟你講只是隨便打個比方台北站出發站暫停大暫停小暫停 |
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4035.996 |
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爬5個小時爬到高雄不好意思843謝謝現在EMU3000進來了車的性能可調性科技化的一個管理你現在又公司化了 |
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你現在未來應該越來越多跳島式的一個服務那來保證 譬如說假設台北到高雄高八二九接車是三個小時三個小時就到所以如果你票價這一次市長在這裡如果搞到現在最後調出來的票價以台北到高雄為例 |
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趴五個小時的給他收843我是說決定暫暫停的車你根本不應該調啦就是大家覺得我經濟我沒有辦法負擔但是我願意用時間來換這種東西都不要去調你就這麼慢嘛 |
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可是你節省時間了譬如說你能夠在4個小時以內的你要收什麼票價多150舉個例子如果我能夠報到兩個多小時的你收到你們現在報到的數300我是建議這兩件事啦你不要朝這個方向來做會對朝委員剛剛講的這個方向不要說哪一站到哪一站 |
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五個小時跟兩個小時一樣是不行的那我現在希望你們專注本業那現在從這個年初我們特別看到其實台鐵公司這樣因為你們肩負著國家的任務很多的工作很多的一個盈利有時候也不能全怪你們但是我們真的期待期待你專注本業 |
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因為你們不是一個普通的一個公司一個行業啦什麼從買車你們自己買鐵路自己建就沒有嘛幾千億的你都沒有自己做不算基本上有些部分折舊而已啦就不算你們成本政府來出合不合理當然要所以我要拜託你現在談的盈虧就是你帶領了你這麼多的一個戰事好了好不好你的員工什麼在政府提供這麼多資源之下在你管轄的範圍裡面你能夠 |
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轉虧為盈但我當然看到啦因為我現在看到這個是一則以喜一則以憂啦我本來希望有些專業鐵道雜誌鐵道論述來談到我們台鐵公司化之後一個情況結果看到哇你們現在上報導 |
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負筆是地產王啊報道包括買housing住展還有財訊談的都是你們土地的開發那我就想請教一下因為現在你們去年有一個專案先估一下處理這四塊地那我就不一念了包括台北兩塊100億的預估市價20億的這樣131億還有基隆光明街的35億然後 |
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高雄次利率39億加起來200多億目前進度如何 |
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跟委員報告臺北安東街的這一個案子今年會推出那塔城光明街也會那塔城街這個案子因為附近有住戶所以我們現在還在評估那你這個還是用上網招標的比價的方式嗎那會會還是一樣嗎那搞不好會飆很高了那我也看到你這個有承諾說大概 |
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115年吧希望能夠打平嘛然後幾年之後能夠轉虧為盈如果在你現在目前規劃之下是每年平均要賣地多少億就是在土地資產儲分之下票統另外說了在你現在規劃轉虧為盈土地的處理大概要出來多少資金 |
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各位委員報告剛剛委員講的我們沒有賣地我們只是把市場活化而已那收入大概多少要達到多少收入我們預估啦我們預估現金流大概115年的時候可以轉正 |
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好 沒關係 因為那時候我們在等著看啦你就是收錄的一個結構嘛最後 等一分鐘啦因為現在我們主力啊 EMU3000 沉積列車上路大家都非常非常期待啦我也首先要給你們一個掌聲就是在外觀設計 這個車型 這個得到日本Good Design Award |
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這個這個獎項是不簡單的大概跟那個紅點有點非常那個等級蠻類似的所以這不簡單的這是你們自己設計還是日本他設計的這個是日本那邊的設計但是我們有全程參與好 看到這個我們真的因為在台灣能夠做到這樣的車我們是很感動很感謝感動到什麼地步呢每次上車啊 |
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上到你們車上咧我看到很多人都下跪在那邊我幹什麼這麼感動嗎得到日本的獎喔原來 |
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要擦個墊沒有跪下去找不到我的天啊大家在跪啊在你你我不知道為什麼會這樣的設計這麼低級啊這麼低級你知道嗎真的我我們那句話連兩個跪在跪在地下就找這個孔啊因為在藏在椅子的正下方我跟你講全世界唯一設計是這樣的到底為什麼會這樣設計 |
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這個委員報告就是這個插孔因為它是手機或者是筆電要充電它都會有連線那我們在設計之初是怕這個連線在旅客出入座位的時候會有所妨礙 |
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是那所以才把他設置在比較隱密但這個我們有在研議我跟你講現在很多公共運輸不管是飛機包括像有些高鐵他都有啦像這麼聰明的設計他有延長線可是怎麼插進去現在哪裡我跟你講下次辦一個比賽一個人坐一個位置最快的給他不過這個太低級了你上次跟我講說因為美學設計是不是專家跟你建議了 |
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好 謝謝魯明哲委員的發言 |
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下一位請徐富可委員發言謝謝主席有請我們的胡次長還有台鐵公司杜董事長還有觀光署周副署長周副署長 |
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市長、董事長、副市長早安我想剛剛前幾位委員都在提到票價調整的部分本席我們也是台鐵的常客我們經常搭火車然後接高鐵到台北來開會以本席的看法是覺得說目前如果我們的北高的票價843塊一口氣調整到1144塊到1219塊 |
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本席這邊也接到很多鄉親的陳情他們覺得他們寧可搭高鐵針對這個部分董事長有什麼看法這個價格我們還在研議中所以這個也不是我們現在研議中的一個最後的一個定案 |
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這一點我們還是要提醒台鐵公司當然這個公司營運一定是要講求獲利正常但是這個競爭力也是非常非常的重要那另外我想提出一個看法就是說其實這個 |
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本席 |
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建議這個台鐵公司尤其是交通部在這個整個觀光發展的過程裡面不要忽略了除了台鐵公司之外他們跟我們一些有跟我們一些的旅遊業者做合作的套方案但是我覺得觀光署也應該要扮演一定的角色我們的長輩怎麼透過做火車的過程裡面到我們地方可以做怎麼樣一個旅遊的一個行程這部分 |
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交通部是不是可以整合一下把交通部把觀光署跟台鐵相關的部隊能夠做包含我們的港務公司這邊怎麼樣做一個旅遊的規劃那觀光署有沒有什麼樣的一個看法 |
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好謝謝謝謝委員的槌尋那我想我們對這個樂嶺的旅遊是非常的重視所以不管是在旅宿的一個選擇交通運具的一個搭乘或者是遊程那就是像這種長輩有些那無障礙的一個需求在我們的國家風景區裡面其實都有這種無障礙的這樣的一個設施那在交通運具或者是說這個旅宿的部分的話我們有一個這個專案就是一個樂嶺的一個黃金的一個專案那也鼓勵著旅行社去包裝這個行程不管從景點 |
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本席的意思是我們關公署也應該要主動可以來跟台鐵甚至高鐵來做一個怎麼樣一個整合因為你們如果沒有去整合這些業者他們將本就利嘛他們一定是考慮到成本那你們關公署沒有出手的話怎麼樣去做一個整合 |
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是報告委員吼那我們除了剛剛這個旅行社的一個整合之外吼那也跟呃台鐵公司這邊我們有合作推出這個台灣帕斯的一個套票所以也是鼓勵我們呃這個呃不管是國際的一個旅客或者是我們呃國內的一個呃這個旅客吼都可以利用這個台灣帕斯吼整合台灣好行還有這個呃捷運還有還有這個呃鐵鐵路然後把整的在一個同一個票券用這樣的方式去做旅行 |
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好 這部分我們還是請關公署跟我們相關的呃 台鐵公司來做個整理因為次長我再請教一下我們4月8號有到屏東交通委員會考察嗎對 那當時我想我們有要求所謂一個鐵路的一個安全性的問題那其中最重要的部分就是所謂的一個鐵路高架化那尤其屏東還有好幾個車站的部分都還屬於一個平面那當然造成所謂一個交通事故那 |
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我們之前也透過媒體有知道說台鐵要成立所謂的安全管理委員會甚至有一些相關的一些推動小組我們很擔心會不會跌窗駕屋 |
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跟委員報告首先那個我們公司的安全管理委員會已經成立了那因為他必須要依據這個要點還有一些推動的模式需要經過董事會的一個決議那這些程序都已經完成所以我們可以在這個月開始讓安全管理委員會正常運作 |
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好 那我們這個我們還是強烈要求這個交通部應該針對所有我們因為屏東這個高價化確實是一個很重要的一個減少交通事故很重要的一個事故的一個處理的一個工程那當然我們這個鐵道局這邊有所謂的一個規劃的期程但是我們覺得這個期程 |
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真的要加快畢竟這個車禍事故頻傳百姓不安心那尤其又會造成淹水的問題那另外針對這個所謂的一個招考的問題因為本期這邊也接獲我們很多的鄉親我們是我們台鐵的同仁他們都在東部希望調動回來但是因為我們的招考一直很不順利那剛剛我們的前幾位的委員也有提到招考因為我們的薪資結構 |
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還有所謂的我們並沒有針對所謂擁有鐵電焊高空機堆高機這些證照的加分的一個機制所以造成我們招考的一個情形不理想那這部分是不是有改善的空間有跟委員報告那這一次其實也不是不順利就是有達到預期可是在東部尤其是在東部的確我們從業人員這個報考沒有很踴躍有這種情形 |
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那我們現在已經有針對這個情形我們再看在招募的這個程序中是不是還有哪些可以加分的有誘因的我們拉到我們下一次的考試來辦理 |
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董事長人家如果有一些相關證照人家在業界那薪水都比你們3萬3還高人家怎麼可能會選擇到貴公司去服務我們基層就3萬3到4萬2了那我們有證照的我們可以讓他集結再調整一下是可以的 |
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應該是我們再重新檢討一下我們考試一個制度,讓更多專業的同仁可以加入到我們台鐵公司的行列那對我們整個運輸也好、安全也好,應該更有更多的保障,謝謝好,謝謝徐副葵委員的發言下一位請,蔡吉山副院長 |
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謝謝主席,請胡次長跟杜董事長兩位好 |
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今天這個召委特別安排就台鐵的票價要上漲跟本席上次諮詢提過的那個準點率的事情來做的一個專案報告那本席的想法上其實上一次因為時間有限台鐵因為公司化但是我覺得台鐵現在要談漲價 |
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他面臨在實務面上我當然知道嘛依照這個就算依照這個政府對票價訂定的辦法台鐵只要一次漲足那是相當驚人好那不要一次漲足啦就苦民所苦你不漲價就是政府一定要補貼嘛這個邏輯很簡單跟電一樣嘛最好大家都不要漲可是電不漲就是全民買政府買單就是全民買單那全民買單裡面就要叫 |
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大戶用很多電的人還是要叫小老百姓要幫大戶來買單嘛因為反正全民買單嘛所以大戶用電多他用了人民的納稅錢就多嘛所以漲價的議題事實上很困難每個委員上來一定都說苦民說苦最好不要漲可是不要漲的背後大家都不知道是誰到底誰在付這個錢嘛 |
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那漲價呢一定也要這個也跟台鐵的永續經營有關係嘛台鐵倒了還是全民買單所以這個是一個很兩難的議題啦站在人民代我作為民意代表的立場我當然要站在人民嘛但是站在也一樣站在人民的角度比較高層次來看待這個問題事實上他 |
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他很務實因為你最終還是人民來買單只是沒有直接從人民的口袋拿間接從他的口袋拿好那要漲價所以漲價的題目很務實也該理性來討論但是站在民代的立場本席認為要漲價之前有兩個問題我認為台鐵一定要取得人民的的同意的至少說大家甘願一點一個叫安全一個叫服務 |
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那安全跟服務沒有辦法抽象在這裡談什麼叫安全什麼叫服務我們應該有一些指標來談一個企業的安全跟服務特別是像交通事業安全就是信任沒有你對這個交通運輸事業不信任你是不可能去打他的那當然你台鐵沒有辦法因為你是獨站嘛我不能有第二家鐵路公司嘛所以我只能選擇你所以這時候安全就會變成我們更重要的職責 |
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所以我也知道你們要成立那個叫做安全委員會辦法已經通過了但是好像還沒有成立這個跟委員報告齁因為有需要依循的要點跟一些相關規定要經過董事會那董事會在就是最近這一次已經過了所以我們這個月一定可以讓他開始來運作 |
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那我要強調的意思是說我支持非常支持安全委員會的設立但是我希望這安全委員會他一定要有功效的安全委員會他不是一個三個月開一次會然後大家了備一個你要賦予這個安全委員會有實質怎麼來 |
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作為台鐵公司在安全的問題上面的一個建議甚至適度的怎麼去監督或者怎麼可以讓他在安全的整個SOP的機制裡面他可以發揮角色我認為這個是你在設計這個安全委員會裡面很重要的 |
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我說信任是一個很長期性的議題就安全才會有信任而信任又是長期性的問題它毀滅很快它一次一次事故或者什麼它就毀滅掉你長期建立所以要建立這個不容易 |
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但你必須要花很你有很強烈的決心跟耐心來處理這個所以這個是本席對台鐵第一個期待就你的安全委員會盡早趕快成立這裡面的人員千萬不要都邀請一些了備一格大家只是來簽名報到的你要這些人要實質可以協助台鐵在安全的議題上面讓人民來感受 |
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那第二個就服務嘛那服務當然啦民眾是乘客民眾客數高跟客數低我就知道你服務品質好跟不好嘛為什麼因為民眾有一個對比組啦什麼叫對比組高鐵就是你的對比組 |
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現在民眾搭高鐵現在你看高鐵班班客滿連過去那個下午最沒有人的時間也一票難求啊立法委員也常常買不到票啊我們也都是一班一班的一直等啊所以你的對照組就是高鐵所以你的服務品質你沒有達到高鐵那個水準啊 |
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我覺得民眾會馬上立刻不會有人太多去區別他認為這個都是背後都是政府那為什麼台鐵可以做得到高鐵你做不到或許台鐵公司的同仁會覺得我這樣的指責過於嚴苛因為基本營運條件不同成立的背景也不同董事長你背負的是一個很大的殼雖然這個殼已經把你改名字了從政府把你改成公司但殼還是那個殼 |
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所以你怎麼快速的讓人家改變你覺得這個服務品質跟高鐵很接近差不多你以後要開始調漲價調任何的事情 |
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民眾才會覺得舒服一點啦不然的話他就是透過我們立法院一直罵那剛剛大家提到今天包括主席安排這個準點率就是一個指標嘛這個就是很明顯譬如說他老是因為高鐵他封閉啦他的軌道都是封閉啦所以他要準點相對容易多嘛對不對這個我們都很清楚 |
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但是民眾不會這樣覺得 都是軌道運輸啊你這台鐵喔 每次就是一定會遲到的這個刻板印象 非常強烈那我們的整體的同仁 董事長你怎麼帶領大家這個整體同仁的 從民眾去火車站開始的搭乘經驗我們每一個站務人員 他不在 他是服務業的啦他不是公務人員 他不是當官的啦 |
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他是服務業所以他的笑容怎麼訓練他的服裝儀容怎麼親切該如何被表達出來這個都是 |
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放在你身上的重責大任嘛服務是什麼除了那些我剛剛講像準點率這種明確的指標他從人民的感受是很直接的因為他會去高鐵站他也會去台鐵站那你怎麼讓台鐵站他的那個感受是很接近我就講永遠高鐵是你的對照組所以你們的面臨的挑戰是很大的 |
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除了你的營運的挑戰你所有的這些周邊你沒有談沒有把服務品質提升讓人民感受好你沒有在安全上得到人民的信任你要談任何的漲價我說實在話主力都會很大所以本席今天沒有太多時間讓你回答因為時間都很有限所以我大概我就提供這個讓你們可以有一點這個參考那董事長那個挑戰才剛開始 |
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不只這個嘛,因為你接下來你是公司嘛,所以本席也接下來會問你嘛,未來幾年我會問你啊,問你什麼問題,問你說你的營運目標,你的KPI在哪裡,你營收的比重,你的商品販售,你的票物收入,你的其他業外的,你怎麼去弄這個公司,這個都是你的挑戰嘛。 |
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所以你可以得到交通部很大的協助但是台鐵本身在營運上面他未來所要面臨的東西其實是很大的那因為大家都在等新的部長包括票價的調漲看起來也要等新的部長上任之後來拍板 |
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那次長應該要退休了所以今天我們來這裡我在這裡強烈質詢也沒什麼意義啦說實在話那我就祝福啦次長辛苦啦董事長你任重道遠新的部長怎麼給你支持這個支持我希望不是只是預算的挹注 |
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他應該在經營讓台鐵的經營特別在服務安全跟創造更多的業績的可能上面你的工作跟觀光署是一致的那個周副署長有來你跟他是一致的為什麼因為觀光就是你你就是觀光你們兩個其實是一起的只是我們業務上把它分開來觀光人口多大家對台鐵 |
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觀光署推鐵道旅遊,你的鐵道坐在這裡,大家去那邊也要試,他也失敗,你也失敗,所以這個是一體的時間已經到了,主席已經站很久了,不好意思,他體重那麼重站那麼久,不好意思謝謝主席,多給我一點時間,也謝謝兩位,謝謝 |
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好,謝謝蔡經商副院長,下一位請林沛翔委員發言謝謝主席,有請次長次長杜董事長就不用了 |
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市長你好本席其實有在國營企業體有在交通部手下的國營企業體在那邊上班上過5年所以我還蠻知道說國營企業體有關國營公司之後轉型之後的辛苦 |
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那我本席不會在這邊預設立場說台鐵的漲價是沒有必要的也不會在這邊特地談但是本席想在這邊想談一下說另外一個國營公司交通部手下的國營公司最近又出一些狀況也就是桃園機場公司 |
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5月4號的時候又出現了說天花板忽然墜落那個修繕人員在天花板忽然墜落下來在二航道的時候在5月4號下午2點然後把所有的工作人員跟旅客都嚇了一大跳的事情那我想請這邊請市長能不能跟我們解釋一下到底發生了什麼狀況 |
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細節上我想我們可能我請相關單位再提供給你不過我所了解的部分這些事情就不管是你是國藝事業或者其他的都是不應該發生的這些事情那我看到的是有人員去從天花板上面這個不慎的這個這個掉下來雖然沒有造成什麼傷害不過再怎麼樣的這些處理我覺得都不應該發生事情特別在 |
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國門的這個機場裡面我覺得這部分交通部會要求機場公司審訊來處理這件事情好 謝謝次長次長我知道這個修繕天花板是主要是修繕有關那個雨季來臨的下水道的狀況那其實我個人也清楚我上次在質詢的時候也直接質詢過部長在過去十幾年來每年都有出現說桃園機場淹水的狀況只要遇到好大雨那 |
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在這邊我就想不禁想請問說請問交通部在今年因為今年的好雨季節還沒有到在今年的這個桃園機場的這個航廈在針對說漏水淹水的部分是不是已經準備好了 |
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這部分在細節上我並不是很清楚但是很抱歉我要跟委員說明這部分是交通部或者說所屬機場公司必須要做的這些事情您問我準備好了沒有我相信這個應該有做一些準備工作是不是完善我覺得部分還要再經過檢討 |
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這就是本席為什麼今天特地把這拿出來講因為我們知道說再過一兩個禮拜可能好大雨就會來了而且極端大雨來的時候針對我們的一航廈二航廈我們現在在做三航廈的工程就是因為一二航廈都相對老舊而且很容易漏水 |
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本席也知道每年都出了這個狀況的時候所以我在這邊一定要利用會議時間特別提醒既然次長您剛剛講這是國家門戶這是國家的顏面那國家顏面再一次漏水的時候不能說新加坡張宜機場一天到晚漏水所以我們也可以漏水這個我想這樣的答案不只是本席不能接受全國的國民也不能接受的 |
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好那第二個議題其實也是有關說我們今天最主要談到的議題是有關我們的鐵路漲價但鐵路漲價基本上來講對於臺北跟基隆本席是基隆地區選出來的立法委員對於臺北跟基隆之間雖然有影響但是影響程度或許目前還可以但是本席就很關心另外一個也就是有關這個我們的國道科運國道巴士的問題 |
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請問一下我上次已經私底下問過交通部王部長說什麼時候運駕補貼可以上路那今天市長或公路局局長是否已經掌握到比較確切訊息讓本席的選民尤其是有關通勤組的 |
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事實上不只是本席在基隆包括桃園地區也很關心運價補貼什麼時候能夠上路像說劉喜廷委員他的選區裡面就有兩條格瑪蘭的路線馬上要被關那這點我想說請我們的交通部解釋一下 |
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整個運價的一個調整交通部在5月1日核定了所以核定之後的話我們在這一個整個運價因為已經就是這一個照這個我們的那個全聯會所提出來的這一個他們的一個公式也都 |
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合定,那所以就是5月2日之後,我想合定之後的話,我們對於補貼的方案,包括就是說比如說這一個短程由TPS來處理,那這一個中長圖的部分的話,就是我們補貼三分之二,那這個部分在合定之後,我們都會就是說這個依照這個各客運業者的運量的部分會計算這個補貼還給業者 |
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好大概本席想請教那個局長什麼時候我們實質上客運業者可以收到這方面的補貼大概什麼時間點這個只要就是因為已經核定了核定之後的話就是這個業者來跟我們申請的話我想我們就會合撥 |
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好謝謝那請問一下在這個條款上面是不是有針對說這業者如果拿到補貼是不是能夠必須在於在主要是用在是說他們的再去再去多請一些司機或者對於司機的薪資的調漲上面是否有這樣的規定還是說只是讓就是補貼給客運業者隨便用 |
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原則上就是說當然就是補貼的話包括就是說服務品質的提升薪資的一個就是說提升的一個要求這個我們會對客運業者我想補貼的時候我們也會對客運業者有所要求 |
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好 謝謝次長跟局長的回答因為我會認為說現在目前我本席每天早上開車上班那只要是超過7點之後從基隆市大葉隧道一路可能到桃園這邊兩邊就會塞車一路到差不多重慶北路交流道兩邊7點開始每一個交流道 |
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5874.634 |
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每一個出口都會塞車就算你走路間還是會塞車所以本席認為說現在我們看到的除非除了我們現在一天到晚在喊的捷運之外另外一方面國道客運巴士如果我們在這邊能夠增加班次那增加班次就跟我們有沒有司機有決定的關係所以在這邊本席希望說為了要讓國一從基隆到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
5876.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
沛昌維你等一下陳局長你回答一半 |
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票價補貼啊票價上漲有沒有,調漲已經核定運價票價補貼有沒有我今天打電話王部長他已經批了批了你們收到沒有收到了那什麼時候要實施 |
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就是票價補貼補貼一個是全部一個是三分之二一個是二分之一是不是是是是那你們現在是怎麼補貼法我們就是補貼就是三分之二就是TPS的部分的話因為他們的TPS的這個月票的費率並沒有調整所以TPS的使用者的話就是說全國的TPS使用者的話比如說金貝北桃一千兩百元那其實他就付一千兩百元那其他的有有有 |
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你現在的票價民眾已經無法接受了你如果不做全額的預價調漲的部分不全額的補貼你調整三分之二也好,調整補助一半也好這個票還是沒人做啊 |
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這些國道這些客運業者一樣規準啊一樣導電啊一樣導啊跟趙偉報告就是說其實已經補貼身分資了那現在就是說像這個短途的部分臺北桃園或是基隆臺北 |
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你回答我 你們還會不會再檢討 |
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我們檢討另外的還有一些獎勵的激勵機制包括就是說他的新路線或是運量的還有其他的還有其他的獎勵機制 謝謝好 謝謝林沛翔委員的質詢下一位請陳素月委員質詢我們等一下等林俊憲委員質詢完畢休息10分鐘 |
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謝謝主席,請主席邀請胡次長還有杜董事長 |
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陳委員您好次長還有董事長早安今天委員會是針對我們台鐵票價調整及列車準點率改善來進行詢問就台鐵票價調整的部分本席的看法是認為我們台鐵公司現在已經改制為台鐵公司了應該先就服務品質 |
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跟運輸安全要來提升之後再來談這個票價的一個調整因為就像剛剛我們蔡奇昌副院長也有提到的你企業你也要讓這個民眾可以感恩接受你現在你的服務品質跟運輸安全讓民眾都有這個不良的一個印象那你來調整這個票價我覺得民眾沒有辦法接受 |
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那我們來看最近以我的選區這個元寧火車站這個電梯這個電梯對民眾來說真的是很重要的一個設施設備可是我們看到他最近這樣兩個月就故障了好幾次在3月15的時候這個電梯故障這個旅客被困了50分鐘在4月18號就最近而已就最近 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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所以我想這個部分我們應該就是就我們整個所有全國各車站的設施設備整個服務品質我們應該要好好的做一個檢討跟一個提升那就這方面我們次長有什麼看法 |
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這部分我覺得在這種狀況下電梯設備的這種故障應該是平常保養就能夠馬上偶爾發生當然我覺得無法避免但是如果短時間之內連續的故障這是不應該的 |
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對啊這保養很重要可是我們看到這個4月18號的這個故障是才剛保養完的隔天就故障所以我覺得這個到底有沒有落實這個保養這跟委員報告這個保養的紀錄我們都有去查了但是因為這個電梯是圓齡高架成立以後就開始使用也有十幾年了所以我們這一次4月18號以後我們就圓齡站這個電梯 |
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我們已經把他整個控制系統都要換掉他比較成就那這個5月6號就今天我們就來進行已經在做那另外我們對於全公司全路的那個電梯跟電腐體我們另外會做一個檢討總檢討 |
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是就是就本席剛剛現在所舉的這個元林車站的例子之外還有包括田中車站的這個電扶梯也一樣在這個去年的這個過年春節這個電扶梯的故障包括我們的電梯的招標施工也一直都很不順所以我們希望就是說就這些事項我們應該盡快的把它幫它完成提升我們的服務的品質是我們來努力對那另外就是有關這個準點率的問題 |
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我們一般這個軌道運輸就是民眾認為是快速又安全的那你當這個沒有辦法準時的時候對民眾來說也是造成民怨我們印象最深的就是在2022年這個中秋節的時候這個火車大霧點這個又是發生在我的選區就是大春火車站往南就是南邊的這個中正西路的這一個平交道修了兩三天都沒有修好 |
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然後造成這個就是不僅火車霧點也造成當地的這個交通大亂因為這個就是平交道的那個柵欄沒有辦法升旗阻礙了這個交通民眾的這個通行那時候就是故障的原因據說是有這個電流的干擾造成就是我們的 |
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負責負責負責負責負貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼貼 |
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這其實目前沒有那個情形那當然就是說我們也是要針對全台所有的耗資系統的一個不管是更新還是檢修我們應該都是要確實來落實因為你只要發生故障就是會影響到這個行車的安全跟這個準點率的一個問題那我們也看到就是說包括今年在這個宜蘭七堵道宜蘭的這個部分也發生了這個耗資故障 |
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臺鐵公司 |
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大委員這個數字我並不是很清楚 |
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不是很清楚因為就本席所看到的數字就是說截至去年10月我們平均的日運量是58萬人次比疫情前是少了6萬那高鐵則是20萬人次成長了2萬所以就是說我這邊本席也是建議我們在考慮就是說要調整票價的時候我們要努力去改善提升我們的服務品質把我們的旅客找回來我想這個應該是當屋至極 |
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是,跟委員報告因為其實這個我們公司也是非常重視那我們舉今年3月的這個例子今年3月我們平均每一天輸運的旅客量已經回到66.9萬的那比去年同期是成長15%點多這個我們還會繼續來努力啦好,謝謝好,謝謝,謝謝陳樹業委員發言 |
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林俊憲委員發言謝主席本席邀請我們台鐵董事長 |
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委員 董事長 給你看個照片 這個在我們台南 散化了小型營路的平橋道它這裡有一個線高嘛 它有一個線高的桿子 它可能因為掉了一根螺絲還是什麼的它現在變垂直垮下來了 那區長啊里長啊 很多市民都在反映了那我們台鐵去看啊 每次都回答說這樣不會有安全問題 |
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到底會不會有安全問題跟委員報告這個小新銀路評價到我們獲悉以後我們已經馬上就做了加固改善不過按照改善之前那個區長反應的情形這個說他沒有安全疑慮是不恰當不恰當嘛不管你有沒有安全疑慮你把它弄平嘛就算安全看起來好像會垮下來每天經過下面提薪吊膽 |
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是這個我們已經有發包了我們在5月中會開始把整個這樣子也要發包你公務段連這樣都沒辦法修有有有有辦法我們上面那個就是曲折的那一段5月中會開始把它擋掉 |
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接下來我先要跟你講台鐵沙崙站的事情我們現在沙崙站他跟高鐵是歸人在台南的高鐵在歸人是共站那台南因為高鐵站距離市區非常遠所以基本上我們這沙崙線 |
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現在搭乘人次啊,你就看那統計表啊,逐年增加了,現在很多人都會坐我們台鐵的砂輪站到台南市區,那最快,那20分鐘啦,比什麼快捷公車啦,比什麼巴士都還要快。尤其像今年台那個燈會啊,跟正名的砂輪線喔,確實很多人搭。那砂輪線你那個班次安排啊,我現在見到很多民眾有反應啊。 |
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來 第一個你看一下喔 台南站的最後一班車啦 抵達台南 從台北下來啦 抵達 是晚上11點48啦那你沙崙站最後一班往市區啦 是11點36啦 |
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也就是說最後一班的旅客到達台南那沒有砂輪站可以搭了那你來看一下新竹新竹最後一班車是11點半但新竹有一條台鐵的支線6加往新竹它是11點40才開你讓旅客才有時間轉接駁那台南砂輪站哪有這樣子設定最後一班車呢因為你砂輪站的只要客人都是高鐵下來的 |
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所以高鐵的末班車晚上11點48你最後一班車怎麼可以11點36這個你要改一下 |
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這個跟委員報告好 這個我們會來研議啦什麼研議啦 你去解釋 不然我問你 你最後半週載誰啊因為 因為跟委員報告沙崙縣跟那個 剛剛講的那個內灣縣有一點你先幫我解決困難啦好 我會來講好 再來沙崙縣還有一點 他跟新竹 我再來做比較啦 |
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新竹跟台南這個支線我認為他們很相像平均等候時間都30分鐘但實際上不是因為台南沙崙站它那個間隔班次有好幾班有6班都40分到51分鐘也就是說那個車班次非常的稀疏那這一點我是認為相較起來這個應該也要改善 |
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你懂我意思吧 你說一班車要等51分鐘那怎麼對 高鐵一個小時都兩班到台南了你會有那個一班要 其中有六個班次都至少要等40分鐘到51分鐘 這個我也希望你趕快改掉了雖然我們來看台鐵最新的車廂 EMU3000 就是你最新購買的車廂 對不對 |
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台鐵最新的火車廂但是你裡面的無障礙廁所這個設計非常有問題 |
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第一個,你現在設定的那個轉彎柱和迴轉空間,你這樣看得懂嗎?一般我們身上人是要進到廁所,這是門啦,他一定要走這裡進來,然後他必須要到這裡,因為他一定要垂直才進得來啦,這是必然嘛。那進來以後啊,那裡面空間夠不夠,這是個嚴重的問題啦。 |
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你知道吧好我現在幫你套這個圖啦現在你設計的是直徑120就是半徑60啦你進來以後他就卡住了那機會不能動所以深圳人是說啊現在他們才很無奈說啊你現在設計這種新車廂的無障礙廁所只能給小孩子用啊就小孩子用那車子比較小嘛我現在調查給你看來 |
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我還要幫你去做市場調查現在市面上最主要的這種電動輪椅它的半徑 會長半徑都是70 80 90它越來越大台因為它已經配備越來越好了你像這麼現在這裡都是市面上最多的電動輪椅完全進不去完全進不去那你為什麼只設計半徑60呢 |
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因為你自己有個很奇怪的規定這個叫大眾運輸工具無障礙車設置辦法因為你裡面就設定近寬度不得小於120所以你現在車手設計就用最低標你知道這個標準嗎 |
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董事長這個標準我並不太清楚可能要回去看一下就是道中運輸工具無障礙設施的設施辦法這個是交通部當時訂的規定因為道中運輸工具不是只有你這應該不是我們訂的對啦這交通部訂的那他給很多的因為有可能有台鐵有高鐵有捷運等等但你你現在不一樣你現在時代又在轉變 |
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那這個部分我也會要求交通部應該要去想辦法把它改掉可是你去設計這個車廂內部的設置用途的時候你可能是依照這個啦所以你才會現在你的無障礙廁所回廠半徑就定在最低標準半徑只有60公分以現在的生產人士的那種電動輪椅根本沒有辦法使用這邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
謝謝林俊憲委員的發言 |
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因為時間已經11點51了工作人員你們可以發便當我們最後一位請黃建豪委員發言完我們吃飯好不好吃飯休息15分鐘你們可以發便當啦好謝謝主席,那我們先請台鐵杜董好杜董請 |
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6938.1 |
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董事長好今天我們針對的會議議題是針對台鐵票價上漲這個列車準點的提升作為談到台鐵票價要上漲我先講本席的立場我當然尊重專業啦該漲的你還是只能調28年沒調了嘛但是也要重要的是什麼時候調整台鐵有沒有時間表預計什麼時候 |
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沒有部長有在交委會有說明就是這個案子要我們研議以後要到今年下半年才來討論 |
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好謝謝董事長我就要這個回覆因為其實陳建仁院長當初有承認過本席520之前除了電價可能要漲之外當然現在漲了啦其他的相關的這個票價公共運輸等等不會暫時在520前不會漲那520新政府上來之後該漲了才來漲所以本席要確認一下因為今天這麼早討論我想說你們是不是520前會漲台鐵啦所以不會嗎不會好謝謝杜董那接下來進入主題 |
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本席之前有在4月16號的時候來質詢的時候提到當初提到這個編撥維護管理的部分那你們在17號的時候回我們一個文其實我本席真的是非常的失望我覺得這是太草率敷衍了 |
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7040.666 |
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為什麼因為台鐵現在也是公司化了公司化後大家期待的東西是效率是實事求是因為不是傳統的公部門了嘛你們是公司化了那為什麼我要說你們這個回應非常草率跟敷衍呢因為你們回覆我的內容在我們質詢前就已經知道了我就是已經知道說從太魯閣事件之後過了三年那你們到112年12月29號才完成草案那預計113年底才完成審議這件事情 |
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這個流程在4月16號前本期就已經知道社會大眾已經知道那為什麼提出來質詢就是覺得說為什麼拖了這麼多年那有沒有要加速那結果你們回我這個東西是回一個我本來就知道的東西所以我們問的是董事長既然是台鐵已經公司化我想公司化最重要的目的是要能夠有效率的去回憶客戶的需求啊 |
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如果今天客戶、今天這些消費者希望臺鐵公司我們今天代表消費者的立場我們今天部長、立委跟這個官方部門我們今天講的就是消費者跟公司的立場消費者覺得說臺鐵要漲價臺鐵是我們要依賴的、仰賴的運輸工具但是我希望這個交通工具能夠安全啊那所以結果你們編撥維護要113年底才能完成審議那有沒有機會提早啊董事長 |
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委員指的這個是管理的規範嘛對這個不是我們公司訂的對這是我們要遵循的一個規範所以這是交通部的事情不是台鐵公司的事情對 我不知道是都省的業務 |
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報告委員 這個案子是鐵道局完成的規範的出稿那因為我們已經報給部裡面那過去規範的審查跟頒布在部裡面是有一定的流程所以他一定會委託專業機構邀請相關的學者專家來逐條逐條的討論然後也請鐵路公司來表示意見之後換句話說 這個作業確實會花一點時間 |
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那這個部分的話可能我們還要再有完整的資訊跟部裡面主辦的這個副省單位再跟所以你們還是要到113年底這幾年年底才能夠完成相關審議這個我們來設法跟部裡面協調因為這是我們報出去的那我想我們再來跟部裡面協調看看有沒有機會把這個副省的時間來做縮短好 謝謝那接下來我們繼續請教台鐵公司 |
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換下一頁那其實這個部分我們希望說在113年底前要趕快完成好不好這個鐵道局的部分那再來這個區域運輸的票價當然要調整剛剛本席提過我的立場上我不會特別反對但是我們希望公式化之後營運能夠有彈性尤其是現在這個階段我想這個西部的 |
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7217.039 |
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主要的幾個大城市的成績運輸我想剛剛前面很多委員也提過了要跟高鐵競爭以公司對公司的競爭來講我想每個公司都有自己的這個定位那麼期待說台鐵公司能夠調整作為這個短程的這個配合高鐵也好或是城市捷運的一部分也好董事長有沒有機會往這地方交代來規劃 |
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這個有關區域運輸其實主要還是通勤同學以及我們短程的這個客人那這個部分我們在近期我們也會推出相對應的一個措施因為你現在還是有用比如說臺中後旅到屏東潮州這種區間車甚至台積農到嘉義的這種區間車但是我想這已經不是區間車了這已經是城際運輸了這樣子的未來這種區間車的調整會不會再調整 |
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會會因為跟委員報告那個剛剛委員講的這種區段其實是比較屬於區間快車跟成績的範疇對那剛剛委員講的區域運輸應該是更範圍更小的對我們會來調整好董事長謝謝時間到了謝謝好謝謝黃建豪委員發言休息15分鐘吃飯 |
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7299.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
委員會主席 |
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7334.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
7339.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
老大嗯誒你吃飯了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
7357.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
7362.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
工作人員林德福委員的便當 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
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7397.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
7427.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
響鐘 |
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7447.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
7447.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
韓國瑜 |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
委員會主席 |
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7519.054 |
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委員會主席 |
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7570.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
7581.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
7599.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
7624.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
這是我以前公主的同編你當市長是不是當市長的時候啊多多提拔多多愛護 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
7638.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
7647.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
你現在是紙巾啊?紙巾喔?紙巾喔?紙巾喔?紙巾喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
7664.853 |
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我自己也是這樣你自己喔?老弟現在在哪?你老弟?老弟在我辦公室啊?他本來總統的會議長會議長?會議長嘛齁他住澳門啊?我住澳門 |
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市長市長市長市長 |
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會議結束 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
委員會主席 |
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7777.414 |
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現在在議會期間喔,台灣下面那些鐵票都沒了,現在都沒了,現在那些主要擔當都沒出現 |
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市長你老公嗎?我老公阿,謝謝市長你親戚親戚在典禮都要過啦 |
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委員會主席王國材 |
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委員會主席 |
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7878.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
法定人數不足 |
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7914.351 |
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7915.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
委員會主席 |
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7997.3 |
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8008.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
8040.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
8059.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
響鐘 |
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8116.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
委員會主席 |
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委員會主席響鐘 |
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8184.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
響鐘響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
8195.879 |
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響鐘 |
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8215.887 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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8286.417 |
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法定人數不足 |
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8307.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
8337.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
響鐘響鐘 |
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8347.25 |
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因為我們在等你來,那你不忍忍你不忍問你先走我沒在等你我沒等你等我就這樣啊 |
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8380.899 |
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好,下一位侯欣淳委員,召委啦謝謝召委啦謝謝召委,然後我們請胡次跟杜董事長胡次長、杜董 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
8385.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
8403.021 |
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市長好委員你好我聽了一整個早上事實上今天的專案的重點有兩個一個是在於這個漲不漲價一個在於這個準不準點那漲價我看你有回答幾個委員的題目你是說這個520絕對還不會漲價對不對我剛好像有聽到這樣子對不對 |
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8410.045 |
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8416.296 |
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目前目前台鐵公司做整個漲價的方案研擬在應該會在下半年才會提出來 |
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8442.872 |
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下半年才會提出來那我就想請教一下其實我們台鐵公司化我們很支持但是呢我們比較期待能夠看到的是台鐵公司化之後我們杜董事長能夠跟全體國人提出說我們公司化之後我們未來怎麼樣的專業提升我們的營運收入怎麼專業的提升我們的服務品質怎麼樣的把安全 |
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8460.509 |
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致上了這樣子的一個理念落實我覺得大家想先知道的是這個東西而不是在第一時間點上聽到的是要漲價跟不漲價的問題欸杜董事長為什麼會在公司化之後第一個浮上這個新聞版面跟議題的討論的是漲價的問題 |
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跟委員報告的確剛剛委員提到了尤其是確保安全跟提升服務這個是我們當務之急最需要去做的當務之急是這個嘛那怎麼會是在公視化之後第一個扶上檯面上讓大家惶惶不安讓民心不穩定不安心的很多上班的很多上學的 |
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8488.865 |
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對於安全跟服務我們就有努力在做是 |
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8511.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
8532.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
那這個這些指標其實我們會在適當時機再跟外界來做說明因為大家應該每天坐車的也都會有感受是對那所以我覺得這個有感的部分你要先在我們公司化之後告訴國人我們在公司化之前我們做了哪些努力公司化之後我們未來的目標 |
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8534.181 |
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8545.759 |
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現階段讓人民有感未來會讓人民更有感那在安全在專業服務在很多的方面我覺得這個是第一個大開大合我們杜董事長要先向國人來宣告是 |
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8546.943 |
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8568.599 |
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這是最重要的第二個要談漲不漲價像你講的我們研擬了好幾個方案方案裡面你們的如何計算如何的來定價這個要公開透明而且能夠讓大家可以接受的合理範圍之內所以我一直在講我們推動台鐵公司化最優先的絕對不是在講漲價 |
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8569.48 |
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8572.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
這不是我們公司化最主要的一個長遠目標這樣子才能夠讓台鐵公司永續對不對 |
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8590.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
8604.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
對嘛 所以我覺得這個部分杜董事長應該今天有機會或是這幾天有機會應該再公開的再宣示而且要告訴國人讓大家能夠對台鐵的公司化是有期待的 |
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8605.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
8627.368 |
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好不好那我就以剛剛我講的營運收入跟服務品質跟提升安全比如說營運收入其實也不是在談說漲價票價漲就會增加你的營運收入不是欸在我們在台鐵公司的話裡面過去在談論的要提升台鐵的營運收入是先從什麼我們台鐵公司有很多的資產活化的可能性 |
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這些活化利用的可能性如何增加公司的營運跟收入這個才是重點嘛所以我記得我去年12月也有請我們王國材部長去台中會館台中事實上在火車站附近就有一個這個土地的標誌案是正在開始 |
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那我也希望這個期程可以更進一步因為也需要地方政府的合作我們希望讓車站周邊這個大進化也能夠把土地髒亂現有的一些土地上台鐵資產的問題我們希望能夠改善改善完之後才能夠提升整體這個火車站周遭的這個不管是警官還有台鐵公司的一個資產活化還有你們的收入嘛 |
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臺鐵公司最重要任務 |
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臺鐵公司化之後可以做到更好 |
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跟委員報告上一次委員質詢的時候也有提到商品我們回去也有做很多面向的努力那包括我們的網站商城我們有給他改設現在不只會員現在外面一般的人都可以進來然後來了解我們商品的銷售 |
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那這個什麼時候要做是現在就可以做嗎現在已經有了現在你自己再回去你的網站去看還是要綁會員所以你現在跟我講的跟實際上是不一樣的目錄的部分你回去檢討你給我一個書面資料啦我第一個我需要知道的是什麼我們公司化之後從我去年質詢到現在我們做了哪些努力我們做了哪些改進我們的多元行銷策略 |
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委員會主席 |
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這我們會再努力 |
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所以我期許啦那除了這個商品之外剛剛講的今天的重點準不準點其實對很多上班上學的民眾這個很重要那如何克服你們給我的報告是說很多是天然災變或是死傷事故的不可控制因素那我們可控的因素有沒有可控制住這個台鐵自己內部的一個自律跟所有的規章的要求包括如何提升準點率是我們可以自己要求的 |
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那杜董事長你首先要告訴大家我們現在的目標是如何提升自己的準點率吧是,我們準點率的提升除了剛剛講到的這些因素以外最主要還是我們本身可控那包括我們車輛、太舊換新以及我們耗資系統的一個優化跟維護那這個部分我們的確是有投入很大的努力同仁也很努力 |
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我知道努力之外還要讓民眾有感是不是雖然你告訴我們說你近5年來的準點率是提升的那民眾有沒有感這個你們要能夠掌握你有做過民調嗎 |
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有沒有在隨時的在這個我們在旅客滿意度調查有對對對旅客滿意度裡面你是不是事後也給我一個書面報告旅客的滿意度對我們的準點率是有沒有感有在調查的項目有在調查項目裡面嘛事後可以有一個書面報告好不好讓我知道一下 |
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最後的最後因為我只是講到安全因為上次部長有告訴我我們在0403的這個地震之後我們不是只有鐵道周邊的邊坡有落石我們要建立這個監測系統我們現在碰到的複合性的一個落石他在鐵道上面有公路公路上面有邊坡邊坡上面的落石落到 |
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公路了之後又啪啪啪 又落到鐵道中間所以呢 王國材部長曾經告訴我 也回答過我我們未來呢 要建立一套系統那杜董事長也曾經跟我講過 未來會加強跟公路局的聯繫那我現在就問了 我們現在鐵道有做邊坡的這個義務入侵及落實的市井系統公路局也說他有在偵測 有在做 那你們雙邊有沒有橫向的聯繫 |
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有一個系統的勾結有有現在建立了嗎現在部長指示以後我們有跟公路局那邊我們就馬上召集會議辦會刊辦會刊那打算在有什麼期程可以完成或者是你們要怎麼進行 |
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我們公司內部我們會在一個月以內提出來一個月以內提出來,跟公務局討論之後一個月以內提出來?對,對好,那一個月後我就等你的答案,我希望能夠建置一個更安全的預警系統,好謝謝謝謝,謝謝趙偉謝謝何清淳委員發言下一位請邱若驊委員發言 |
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謝謝主席主席好請杜董事長杜董事長請委員好好 董事長好 杜董事長好那首先想要問長久以來旅客對台鐵的信心比較沒有那麼高董事長您知道是為什麼嗎應該是講說我們在安全跟服務做的這個提供的這個程度還不夠 |
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是,長期下來,台鐵確實在行車安全,還有服務品質,那尤其是班次誤點,班次誤點的情況,那這個是主因,對於合理的票價調整因應,本身並不會為了反對而反對,但是安全服務還有準點,環境的提升改善是務必的,那王國材部長在今年 |
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一月份的時候也提到說臺鐵公司化的時候包含營運還有安全一定要都要有一定的水準然後再來談票價的調整那今天也才5月6號臺鐵公司化至今那營運和安全水準仍待提升那今天談票價要調漲臺鐵要拿什麼理由讓利潤還有民眾來支持這一次的調漲 |
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是,也就是說我們在這個研議,因為現在還沒有提方案出來我們現在還在研議階段,那部長也很明確的表示說要到下半年才來討論那在這個階段,我們台鐵公司會就剛剛講的安全服務還有我們的這些形象,我們會做配套來提出來 |
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是安全服務還有形象那尤其是班次準點的問題那去年審計部的總決算報告指出臺鐵對號列車的準點率相跟區間車相較下來部分車子行進特定的車站有常態性的延誤那其中志強號 |
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列車延誤的次數,前五大車站分別是斗六、圓陵、宜蘭、嘉義還有松山站,現在還是這五站嗎?有沒有去了解?有,現在這個都已經改善了,那現在誤點情形,比較排列在前面的是我們宜蘭縣的幾個車站 |
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原因是因為現在宜蘭縣我們正在做規模比較大的包括橋樑的改建還有邊坡的改善那這些都是靈軌工程那靈軌工程的話對於正在運行的列車來講的話要特別注意所以我們在那個區段都有慢行或者是特別的一個措施 |
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董事長您提到這個工程那像其中的瑞芳站它的霧點率高達93.8%那除了工程的關係還有天災的因素省紀部也指出台鐵行車事故及霧點主要的噪音是因為設備故障人為因素還有司機員的疏失還有關係的行為導致那這個部分要怎麼做改善是 |
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這個除了設備以外尤其是我們在操作的在行政運轉操作的同仁這個我們會加強教育訓練以及現場實際的考核來加強其實這些我們在我們現在推動的SMS我們都有納在裡面來做進一步的一個加強是那教育訓練部分現在人員是穩定的嗎現在人員還算穩定 |
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還算穩定那我們這邊看到太魯閣事故發生之後這110年的時候立法院院會跨黨派的委員也無意照案通過台鐵安全還有改革的決議那在同年的六月行政院回覆表示要從三個面向著手首先是安全再來是安定包括人員員工的安定還有財務的安定然後三是轉型讓台鐵員工都能安心那台鐵人力不足還有流失的問題員工沒有辦法安定難道對行車 |
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李卓人議員 |
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那這個部分我們現在是用加速招考從業人員以及去年我們就錄用的特考人員跟營運人員來做填補所以我不諱言我們在總人力的部分是沒有很大的狀況但是進來的同仁必須假以時日讓他有這個足夠充足的一個技術性這個部分要加強 |
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我們現在都在加強這個部分是因為台鐵現在的人力招募和遴選的速度感不上離腿那對於董事長您能保證今年鐵路的運輸還有安全是沒問題的嗎應該沒有問題應該沒有問題對應該沒有問題因為我們現在能掌握的包括我們從業人員禁用的人力當然不是完全都非常的理想但是我們會用其他的方式來補強 |
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監察院審計部調查台鐵安全改革的執行計畫情況審核通知事項有揭露台鐵面臨缺信心缺能力還有缺法制等三缺那審計部是建請台鐵競速改善本席則是要求競速改善台鐵什麼時候可以提供改善報告監察院那個是在去年下半年提的 |
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當時的確有這個就是剛剛委員提到他們調查裡面的情形但是我們在去年年底之前我們那時候還是局啦我們就有替公司有做一個改善的一個規劃現在都在進程上面那剛剛委員提的的確這個審計部講的這些情形現在其實都有改善 |
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包括人力的數量包括這個人力進來以後他的工作特質這我們都已經有改善是那這個報告再請台鐵公司提供給本席好謝謝董事長好謝謝委員好謝謝朱洛華委員下一位請王宏威委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我請我們胡次長胡次長請 |
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市長,台鐵動漲將近30年,國道客運也動漲了10幾年,將近20年。那我覺得這些票價,事實上確實有調整的空間及必要性。但是呢,我之前就說了,沒關係董事長你回去,我只能稍微講。 |
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我之前就說了因為我們的電價調漲而造成百頁的漲價的壓力接下來就是交通還有醫療運輸都會有所以其實電價的調整造成到時候不管台鐵也好或國道客運也好那麼他們的漲價會讓我們的物價的壓力會更大那個阻力也會更大我在這邊就已經講過了 |
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那但今天呢因為時間有限那也有很多委員關心台鐵票價問題但是呢我要跟次長啊來問一下來我們看一下在這個星期六這個陶基呢又出現公安意外可以看到這個畫面沒有我們可能會以為到陶基是到了馬戲團了嗎陶基在每個月都會給我們上演大驚奇 |
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包含那時候整個的航班大亂還有三不五時就出現這個公安意外這是不是很扯啊一個人這個是工人掉在天花板上因為整個天花板掉下來這個螺絲沒有栓緊我們淘機上一次的整個航班大亂還在這邊有專題報告就是淘機要怎麼樣針對他的經營他的管理要完善而光是就公安意外 |
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9524.287 |
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陶姬今年連續有三期都是很大的當然我剛講5月4號看到這個畫面沒有是不是覺得非常驚悚 |
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然後4月20號其實也同樣發生在我們的機場就是一航廈跟二航廈之間的電聯車竟然這個清洗的這個車子闖到這個軌道內然後這個車子撞上這清洗機那個吊臂都撞上去還好那個工人沒有摔下來因為劇烈的撞劇劇烈的這個撞擊工人也差點摔下來 |
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摔下來又是一個可能有傷有亡的事件來看113年同樣今年2月21號也是一樣騎落駕拆除作業被夾就是一個勞工被夾死出現了一位勞工死亡的重大旨災所以次長淘機三不五時給我們出現這些驚奇交通部有沒有處理有沒有處理 |
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有檢討結果嗎?連續發生重大公安意外我相信勞動部應該都有介入調查 |
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這部分勞動部有沒有介入調查我不清楚沒關係我可以讓勞動部介入調查來我們看下一個下一個這個是勞動部非常的積極主動他們就去介入了因為在上個星期我跟有一號委員踢爆 |
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台灣高鐵這也是內部員工所反映給我們的事情一個列車長規避酒測上車執行另外一個呢就是他們發聲沒有按照SOP的作業基地電電站預防性保養沒有按照規定時間在夜間斷電的時候進行 |
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然後也讓這個公單六人差一點會遭受兩萬五千伏特的電擊意外我們來看下一頁這個事情發生之後那麼他們就有一個新聞稿對外還在粉飾太平還說這個爆料不是事實但是他們也承認確實有重大的跳電確實有員工沒有按照規定 |
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但是他強調是高層早就知道了高層都有指示高層也沒有漠視這個事情可是在左邊其實我當天就出示經營管理週會4月9號發生的事情直到4月30號 |
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高鐵的高層董事長的在經營管理周會才提到這個事情我們就這個公安意外勞動部已經進入調查已經進入調查但是我要請主管機關交通部針對臺灣高鐵他們所發生我剛講不管是紀律的問題或公安的問題不要一味的只是想粉飾太平 |
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因為我們希望這個台灣高鐵過去他可能有一些有的時候那個誤點或怎麼樣但是他基本上他的安全性還是很好的我們還是會希望這些重大的公安貨紀律不要一次又一次的累積讓他們正視這個問題可不可以 |
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這兩個發生跟高鐵有關的事情這部分已經 部裡頭已經請鐵道局在介入調查之中對 我也希望不管剛才講的陶吉或者台灣高鐵我想交通部都不要漠視今天我們雖然講台台鐵很重要啦我也知道這次調整這個票價一定會遭受很多很多的質疑和壓力但是我個人覺得30年未調 |
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主席 |
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好,謝謝王宏威委員發言,下一位請游浩委員發言謝謝趙偉那今天先沒有質詢次長,我請那個台鐵公司那還是要請次長能夠多多協助 |
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在今天的話的質詢議題大家聚焦在所謂的票價還有包括準點的部分那我們現在看到台鐵的是漲價確實因為我以前也是常常坐台鐵所以說我能夠理解台鐵的票價過去其實一直都是很親民的路線那這次剛才如洪偉委員所提這個物價水準的調漲大概包括這個那時候 |
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電價漲其他各式各樣的民生相關就必須一定有可能就面對這個漲價那大家所擔心焦慮的事情確實就發生了那現在在台鐵要漲價的話我們看這個台鐵的雙鐵票價做個比較 |
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那在調整票價預估940左右但是在高鐵的這個早鳥價或是學生票的部分其實兩個的相差的這個金額其實不大那想就教一下董事長未來在台鐵有沒有可能在民營化現在已經能夠更親民更有競爭力的情況之下有這個早鳥及大學生的這個優惠可以讓這個更有競爭力 |
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是 跟委員報告齁其實早鳥票我們是兩年多前我們也推動過不過當時因為我們台鐵的運能還不太夠所以效果不是很好那現在我們新車都陸續抵達了所以剛剛委員提到的包括早鳥還有其他一些吸引課程的優惠我們台鐵公司會努力來做 |
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好 那就請董事董事長可以就把過去在兩年前這個找鳥的這個相關的資料也給交通委員會的各位委員能夠再做參考也希望未來能夠提升競爭力的找鳥優惠或者是大學生的這種相關的優惠措施那這都可以讓台鐵更具競爭力那我在想說未來也請可以持續來演繹再來開啟好不好是是 |
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好 謝謝那我本席接著要再請這個鐵道局長以及公安署副署長還能夠一起上台那我就直接接著我們南投縣現在重大的一個議題就是有關於極極支線改善工程現在南投的極極支線基礎設施改善計畫過去在許書華縣長擔任立委期間那就非常的用心的在爭取我相信那時候 |
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這個鐵路局其實都非常清楚那時候台鐵其實都非常的來協助我們南投線配合許淑華的一個經費爭取到高達這23.63億但是像現在來講的話過去他其實是在車程這一段集集往車程這一段再做一個整修 |
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那時候的邊坡有坍塌我那時候擔任議員期間就陪許縣長那時候擔任立委來去參與這個相關邊坡整治的一個會刊那時候其實在這個停止的過程在急急往車程的這一段不管是水裡的車站還要包括車程的這個整個觀光的風景區都造成很大的一個影響因為現在來講是沒有辦法有火車能夠進去 |
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那時候其實整體計畫是預計115年7月完工啊但是在現在來講的話又增加了急急到水裡的這一段也要做一個停止哎 董事長您也清楚嗎那這個過程中其實那時候在3月的時候就直接通知了4月要來做一個就是急急先往後的一個停止所以現在只能到濁水車站那用這個客運來做一個替代可是我想要就教一下董事長 |
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那這個對於我們地方的觀光衝擊是非常大的影響那董事長對於我們這條支線從濁水溪直接衝擊的就是我們的集集的周遭火車站的這些攤商而且這個施工期間將近一年八個月啊那些攤商真的會名不了聲那我想請教一下董事長這個部分有沒有什麼樣的一個方案可以來協助我們這邊攤商跟集集的觀光業 |
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首先感謝委員因為在那個發生坍塌的那段期間給我們很大的協助2號跟3號隧道中間那裡那現在其實在5月1號開始我們就是只有行駛到佐水那我們的配套就是我們加強這個觀光性質的接駁車包括路線有一點改變那沿途所經都是跟觀光比較有關係的 |
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那另外就是我們也加強這個接駁車的一個辦事的疏運 |
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市長 過去在2022年5月24日在地方上有召開協調會也包括在座不管是台鐵還包括觀光局包括公路局大家共同來探討如何協助這些攤商以及地方的觀光產業坦白講我們的級級鎮長吳大村跟地方民在非常配合台鐵還來做這個相關的一個停止作業 |
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有關於台鐵公司的部分我們可以來研議 |
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有關於積極支線不管是車程或者是水裡的車站那觀光局這邊或者是日管處都有協助在車站整體的環境的一個整理那像前一陣子完成的水裡的一個自行車道或者是車程的一個觀光小學堂的一個建置我想這個都對於這個整體的一個觀光的效益有所幫助 |
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好 我知道這是過去所做的 沒錯那這個熱鬧公安酒飲堂我也有過去那 我是希望後面我們本期還是會邀請包括董事長或是公安署以及鐵路局這邊還有公務局一起來在地方開一個協調會把本期剛才所提的比照那時候許縣長擔任立委期間水里到車程的這一段現在在集集這邊能夠把這些相關的減免措施或是補償優惠或是振興方案到時候做一個探討好不好 |
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謝謝主席是不是請杜董事長、台鐵 |
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因為本席是認為公共運輸交通費率要穩定控制那大幅度的調漲將會帶來另一波物價的上漲那台鐵是用電大富 |
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電價調漲將增加台鐵的營運成本日前立法院已通過電價動漲決議要求但是新政院檢討現行人員政策 |
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要求行政院檢討,如果行政院最後妥協動漲電價,請問交通部台鐵與高鐵票價調整是否在下半年就不會實施? |
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你認為要是說電價動漲的話你們就不實施電價要是說一定要漲那你們就是一定台鐵就是一定要要調整票價是不是 |
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現在台鐵公司在做的相關的票價的檢討並沒有跟這個電價拉成沒有拉上關係就對了沒有拉上關係因為現在是這樣因為只要票價一漲反正這個一波一波的物價就會跟著漲這是必然的那所以說這一點應該要這個要好好的去這個研究 |
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那 |
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市長你請回我請台鐵杜董事長因為杜董事長6月7日至6月11日就是端午加節他有連續的連續假的輸運期那前線將加開各級列車一共99班那請問交通部台鐵產業工會是否有跡象會再次宣布依法休假有沒有 |
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各位委員報告這個我沒有聽到沒有聽到那因為齁你們一定要深入的瞭解會不會影響整個端午連假返鄉的一些假期返鄉的運輸輸運會不會好我們來瞭解 |
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因為齁要是真的要是如果台鐵發生罷工是我會再啟動類火車的模式以遊覽車的輸運來解套會不會啊那個我們還是以正常維持正常齁這個連續駕駛的輸運當然啊正常優先嘛問題是你們要未雨綢繆啊是是因為這個很難講啊齁 |
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那因為臺鐵產業工會呼籲交通部跟臺鐵公司要重視第一線這維持這個鐵路運輸的安全的機工還有電務員工不要放任人才的流失那目前這個媒體有報導臺鐵公司化以後這個考試放放 |
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部分列車甚至於出現零入取的這種狀況那很多網友就認為台鐵薪資太低不如去跑一些外送普遍打等等這些那以高鐵為例從113年起特別針對一般維修行控還有耗資通訊與電力維修新進人員調高起薪希望保持高鐵 |
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這部分我們這一次也是公司 |
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我希望你們真的要好好的來檢討好不好最後一個議題去年4月台鐵出國報告日本安全改革的經驗那心得建議提到台鐵110年重大事故發生後新進員工日益增多資深員工相繼的退休 |
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是不是這樣子?是 |
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那會後請台鐵公司以書面說明新進員工的安全訓練與過去110年重大事故發生前有何不同之處好不好是謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝林德福委員的發言謝謝下一位請 |
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賴會員委員賴會員,賴會員不在下一位請洪孟楷委員發言謝謝主席謝謝,麻煩請胡次長胡次長請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
國道客運業者的詢問或是方案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
10609.822 |
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剪輯回覆是跟委員報告目前因為剛交通部是5月1號才核定所以我們就是會國道科學院如果說有要這個調整票價的話他還要提報到我們各區監理所不過我們基本上就是說已經有這個短途的部分在TPS的部分已經有相關的一個補助了那這個中長途的部分的話那個 |
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10636.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
中長途非T-pass月票的乘客最高會補助三分之二嗎?那我們匡列了多少元額來去做補助?預計這個部分的話就是說基本上就是說我們預估的這個運量的話在我們的這個公運的預算裡面是足夠可以來支應的的多少啊?還是要看他的運量沒有錯運量但是你會說足夠那代表說你們一定有算過啊是啊 |
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就是因為這個今年的大概就是說他們提出來的就是預估就是可能就是從5月5月之後的那大概就是說整個的一個就是幾億元的預算我們大概有估算出來啦幾億元這是機密嗎現在民進黨政府主政之下什麼都機密這個不能問是不是 |
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就是因為他其實跟相關的運量是有關係的是當然跟相關運量有關係這也是本席今天在討論來 次長因為有講到說我們如果說國道客運調整方案的話北高票價最高是漲36塊那今天討論到台鐵29年動漲告終北高票價恐漲300塊差了10倍 |
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10714.957 |
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本席也覺得 台鐵也好 國道客運也好這兩個都是非常重要的大眾運輸為什麼 因為對於普羅大眾一般的民生來講這兩個大眾運輸是最多人使用而且可能是不分男女老少或不分收入比較低一點點收入比較高一點點都會利用 對不對那你現在一個國道客運最高36塊可是台鐵突然間跟我們講說要漲300塊 |
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那我們也沒有任何的補助措施或者是沒有任何的評估那這樣會不會造成民生的衝擊 |
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國道客運可以編列幾億元來去協助不管是抑制這個票價還漲本席沒有說不漲如果說真的你油價等等上漲你真的撐不下去你該調整不能苛刻或是不能壓榨我們的國道客運嘛不能壓榨駕駛員本席同意啊那但一樣的道理啊為什麼你台鐵你就可以放任300塊500塊這樣去喊 |
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市長簡單說明一下好不好跟委員報告媒體所報導的那些長出來的這些票價方案並不是現在在討論中的這些方案這個在過去相關的資料媒體取得我也必須承認這是一部分在台鐵公司試算過程但是絕對不是現在在討論的方案試算過程是提出報酬率3% 4% 5% 三個方案嘛 |
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所以媒體才會講說如果說以5%的方案來比的話北高的志強票志強號的票價會漲到快300元嗎 |
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現在 這個案 這個試算我們在討論過程之中就是有討論到這些問題 所以 |
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這件事情在討論我們部裡頭要求台鐵公司一定要充分的去考慮一些其實他的自己的營運條件市場的狀況以剛剛臺北高雄為例他就沒有考慮到我們經常用的所謂這個這個票價是遞遠遞減距離越長這個是沒有考慮過的所以我說這些是試算過程之中某一些假設算出來那這樣子能不能 |
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比較直接假設就是未來最終的方案絕對調漲北高會低於300元現在現在我們還沒有收到數字我現在不敢跟委所以你有可能會高於300元喔不是你剛講的你剛本席接受你的解釋啊第一5%的推估 |
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你說這個還沒有經過試算那又說他沒有考慮到說越遠地減所以代表說越遠距離越拉長北高算是最長距離了嘛相對來講要地減嘛所以說那個票價應該要低嘛不會是像現在媒體推估的5%然後要300塊啊所以是不是未來最終方案在這一波裡面不會高於300元 |
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我只能跟委員報告,原來試算的過程是沒有考慮,那考慮這個一定會比那個低一定會比較低,但低多少,不確定,什麼時候會出來這個現在還不,在我們下半年會提到交通部來考慮現任的部長探索3日就留給520,反正就丟給新任部長來決定沒有打算要幫新部長拆彈的意思 |
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我們現在預定期程是下半年請台鐵公司提出來這個報告下半年請台鐵提出來那最後啦 市長既然國道客運我們可以用公務預算也去做一些補助讓他的漲的票價不至於太多你說北高最多漲36 吸收三分之二那台鐵相關部分我覺得羊毛出在羊身上 |
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對於一般的普羅大眾來講票價的反應其實是很敏感而且票價連隨著就是民生的相關的一個消費大家都講萬物皆漲唯有薪水不漲在這一波的漲價裡面是不是也要考慮到如果說我們能夠有些相關公務預算能夠支持的話也應該要適時的支持市長這點可以承諾嗎 |
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這部分我們變到原來的將來的這個方案裡頭一邊來思考是不要讓國人覺得一樣一樣是這個大眾運輸工具北高國道客運只有漲36台鐵一次要漲30010倍的價差我覺得這會讓國人覺得是說這是大小眼好不好謝謝好謝謝洪孟楷委員發言下一位請 |
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黃國昌委員發言謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請交通部的胡政志以及台鐵公司的董事長、布董事長 |
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喂你好政治好董事長針對台鐵需要的資源去讓這個列車更安全我向來都是非常支持的但是從之前我就發現台鐵不要花一堆錢去做沒有效果的東西我舉一個具體的例子當初 |
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普悠瑪的悲劇發生了以後我後來發現我們的後勤次月管理系統搞得亂七八糟的我當時沒有說錯花了快3億嘛耗費了6年多嘛結果一事無成現在在訴訟 |
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董事長我的理解沒有錯吧記取之前的教訓我上一次運安會來的時候我就在請教運安會說台鐵去跟政府申請了6千萬這6千萬搞列控4.0到底做出來什麼東西因為這個計畫從一開始的時候從天而降跟台鐵既有的系統根本沒有辦法match |
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沒有辦法銜接所以我就一直去追這一個列控4.0到底從什麼地方而來的結果找了一個亂七八糟的廠商去詐騙他自己在美國得獎的經驗結果後來發現他根本就沒有參與美國的那個自駕車的系統拿假的履歷來台灣騙拿到獎了以後結果我們政府一堆補助就給他們 |
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我上一次請教運安會的時候運安會給我的結論是這個系統根本沒有辦法用董事長這樣不贊成不贊成所以你認為可以用跟委員報告是他裡面驗證的東西是經過驗證的是可以的但是也要跟委員說實話 |
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他裡面有一些驗證完成的東西因為台鐵很大如果台鐵要全盤來接收的話那個成本會很高現在一個最關鍵的問題這個計畫台鐵還要不要再丟錢下去繼續做 |
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這個我們要研議就是要研議多久我們預計是要一年來我們繼續再往下看因為我聽到的是在2023年去年1月的時候這個情況視點裡到運安會討論的研討會我聽到的狀況是砲聲隆隆從他的專業性可行性安全性一堆批評全部都出來 |
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如果今天花錢做的東西是對於台鐵的安全性真的有幫助而且跟既有的系統可以銜接我相信納稅人會支持但是如果是跟以前的我剛剛所舉的那個例子後勤資源管理系統一樣花了快3億搞了6年多一事無成最後現在進行訴訟監察院也糾正了那又怎麼樣 |
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浪費了錢丟到水裡面去全部都追不回來了我那天在運安會研討會的時候因為我看到這個狀況所以我就非常有興趣我就去跟運安會要了那一天開研討會的時候的會議記錄我看了會議記錄運安會裡面有非常多的委員提出非常專業的質疑但是我在會議記錄裡面完全沒有看到台鐵有答覆所以我趁今天質詢的時間來請教一下 |
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列控4.0的計畫是台鐵內部經過專業評估而提出來的還是外面上面有大官由上而下丟下來要求台鐵執行的 |
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跟委員報告齁這個列控4.0的他是一個POC的一個計畫是請問針對問題回答就好是是所以他在提出的時候我們有針對誰在提出的時候就是我們當時是台鐵局是台鐵局自己提的嗎希望爭取預算來做這個POC案是台鐵局自己提的嗎 |
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這個是台鐵局提的阿對阿你一開始的時候你為什麼會提這個計畫這個是我的問題嘛這也是運安會委員的問題嘛所以他的問題是說你們是台鐵內部經過專業評估自己提出來的計畫還是外面有人丟進來要求台鐵去做的事情這個應該是台鐵局自己內部做了評估以後認為說來我們繼續看下去齁 |
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媒體有報導張景生要求交通部台鐵局在3年內完成200億的全台列控4.0計畫然後呢在那天研討會的時候台鐵提了一個報告這個報告我去拿來看了 |
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在23頁裡面說交通部胡政務次長要台鐵盡快完成列控4.0的後續服務驗證以及商業驗證計畫來請教一下胡次長 真的嗎 |
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你有做這樣的要求嗎我當時是有提這件事情因為我所了解他們提出來的計畫必須要完成這個螢幕上所談的後續的這些相關的商業驗證所以我要求他們儘快要完成這個這個計畫做出來的列控4.0跟台鐵目前所在推的第三彈第三彈CTS的計畫是可以相match的嗎 |
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這部分還沒有完全去確認這兩部分還沒有完全結合起來 |
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你現在應該聽得懂我為什麼開始在擔心這件事嗎?如果連這件事情都還沒有確認我們就先設建再劃吧三年內要完成200億的全台列控4.0計畫我看到這個啦我其實有點驚訝 |
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因為如果是外部的政治力介入為了特定廠商的利益政治力介入去講這種外行的話我雖然不贊成但我可以理解為什麼會發生這樣的事情但我對胡市長的認識是您是一個非常專業的老交通人這兩個還沒有Match的情況之下就提這樣子的要求您覺得真的適合嗎 |
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我剛我前來提這個要求是當初在列控4.0他應該要完成的這些程序他後面兩次還沒有是針對這件事情你照不贊成再丟200億下去繼續做 |
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這個要經過審慎評估來 董事長接下來會丟200億下去繼續做嗎這個要評估 報告委員我剛剛有講一年再加上另外半年的一個我們的一個呈報的時間這真的是要經過評估好 我希望台鐵好好評估 |
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本於專業進行評估我的預測啦你們評估一年完以後我自己的預測依照我目前掌握到所有的訊息這個計畫一定無疾而終這個計畫一定無疾而終因為跟你現有的系統根本對接不起來沒有關係我們繼續往下看但我只要求台鐵一件事情進行這件事情評估的時候請本於你們的專業立場 |
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11469.909 |
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不要受到外面的政治力關大學問大帶著廠商莫名其妙的廠商回來就要台鐵拿錢去做這個跟既有的系統根本對接不上莫名其妙的東西請台鐵接下來等於你們的專業好好評估喔不要再繼續浪費錢去做一些沒有用的東西了好謝謝謝謝黃國山委員 |
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林月琴委員發言陳文瑞、陳局長 |
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道路交通安全基本法通過 |
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目前各項法規以基本法為最上位的架構的話都要以人本交通跟我們的用戶安全來作為最高原則來進行各項法規的調修工作可是現在不知道各部的相關的法規的進度跟方向我想也希望你們能夠有掌握不過之間有兩點要跟你的工作有非常大的關係所以也請局長這邊 |
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給個明確的答案那下一頁那首先呢就是針對於行人安全的保護我想今天鬧上我們的國際媒體裡邊講說我們事實上是行人地獄的時候可是目前看起來在目前國內的道路二法我們的市區道路條例跟其工程的設計標準或是公路法的相關規定當中都有要求人行道的一個設置 |
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那最新通過的行人交通安全設施條例也是針對都市計畫內的一定寬度以上的道路有要求有分年分期的一些建設計畫保障用戶人的安全可是僅此與此因為部分道路的維修管理維護管理依現行的法規並沒有要求設置人行道的一個相關規定下一頁 |
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所以再看很多各縣市境內的話非都市計劃區的道路除了被編定為公路外沒有中央的法規來去做規範那再下一頁就會看到是當初張安化三姐弟的入口發生案發的地點就是在 |
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臺灣長期以來就缺乏我們要完善的都市計畫因此不能夠排除或阻止民眾居住在都市計畫範圍以外的那都市計畫範圍外的那個公共支持就非常非常的有限會發生這樣的事情那我當然知道就是公路局這邊針對此案有非常 |
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有16個衝突點 |
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那可是如果採行是MUT的做法的話相當可行可是並沒有這樣採用因為你沒有諮詢到更多的專家學者來採用這種方法雖然這個案子你現在完成了不過我還是要建議未來交通部是不是應該在改善方案當中參採更多的專業意見 |
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而不是做了下一次事情又再發生那到底我們有多少人命可以來買單咧那反而你這麼匆忙當中沒有完備的話那基本上沒有辦法解決問題 |
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整個端基本的法規規定裡邊整個要調合法規來提升我們的車輛安全所以過去我們的車輛的形式的調合當中N類跟O類一直以來都是用UNECE來做同步可是在L類似乎看起來都存在很多缺口下一頁 |
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L4 L6 L7就是不是在你的調和範圍內所以你排除L4 L6 L7的一個車型所以會影響國內的民眾權益像L4我一直長期關心兒少安全他用於承載兒童而且他安全性由於現在交通部在討論的用機車兒童機車作業 |
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那如果一旦使用這兒童激作作業的時候孩子如果一旦再發生車禍的時候孩子還沒有辦法脫身可是你這竟然是被你排除的下一頁所以在這邊我就主張是不是中央道路主管機關應該儘速一元化重新打造合理的各級道路的法制還有針對我們交通工程的改善是不是要減少衝突點像比如 |
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MUT的做法還有車輛的形式是不是禁訴跟國際法規接軌來提供國內民眾使用安全的車輛我不知道這三點局長這邊最後是不是給我一個答覆那如果不行的話是不是在一個月內提出具體的回覆 |
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是跟委員報告就是說整個的像公路系統部分的話目前在公路法58條就是說進入到市區道路的話相關的人行道的一些設計標準都是要比照市區道路那另外在路段外的如果是非非都區域的話其實我們公路本身其實也在檢討整整體的斷面比如說有一些的空間路間可以說的話其實我們就可以來偵測人行道所以我想 |
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整個人本空間的一個偵測的部分其實是包括這一個內政部國土署跟交通部公路局那另外就是行政院已經也就是就是核定就是說要我們就是說整個這個道路的因為全署有很多單位所以整個道路的規劃的指引的話交通部這邊也會來提出那另外尤其彰化那件事情 |
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瞭解瞭解 |
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11881.593 |
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11898.568 |
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好謝謝林業勤委員發言下一位請黃建斌委員發言黃建斌黃建斌不在陳雪生委員發言陳雪生棄權陳冠廷委員發言陳冠廷陳冠廷不在請張綺凱委員發言 |
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11912.527 |
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市長跟杜董事長 |
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主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席 |
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不過今天早上我剛有聽你們講的啦所以我們今天就確定不只520前後不會漲下半年才會討論這個案子對不對那我們比較具體化來我們具體化其實要漲價一定要經過你們提這個票價合理方案嘛對不對啊當時我會過台鐵這邊過才送到交通部嘛 |
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11964.864 |
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11991.089 |
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政府會開這個費力的審議會嘛到目前為止到什麼進度杜董事長你們那個案子票價合理化方案還沒想出來還沒還沒有所以今天很明確的今天全民都可以安心今天全台灣民眾都可以安心從第一步都還沒踩出來嘛對不對所以台鐵案子票價合理化還沒出來所以我們是非常明確的全民都可以放心了那第一個我要問的啊 |
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11991.989 |
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11994.479 |
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大概預定什麼時候會送?下半年大概什麼時候? |
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這個幹委員報告因為現在我們公司嘛所以這案子經理部門一出來以後要董事會通過我們董事會通過以後才能報布所以確定的期程我現在沒有辦法跟委員你看我們問這個是非常理性的每一個步驟都很清楚你第一步沒跨出去我們清楚跟他講說你沒跨出去可是有跨出去到哪一個時間點我們都要非常明確第一步現在沒跨嘛就等 |
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12034.793 |
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應該照我們現在公司的運作還算上軌道應該是下半年的差不多第三季以後下半年第三季是什麼時候 |
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12040.334 |
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12042.996 |
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今天這個時間點應該是最明確的那我們談完這個10千我們再談漲價的這個幅度 |
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這幅度很大耶你只要九年沒去沒問題啦吃飯你要慢慢吃啊像爬階梯一步一步上來啊你怎麼像充電棒碰一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
12090.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
你19年沒賺一萬要賺多少而且你們現在提出的三個案子合理的報酬率要佔3%、4%、5%先備論時就好啦可不可以慢慢來可以嗎?你看這個幅度很嚇人欸你真的要漲3%你要漲到35.64%4%要60.41%5%要14.52%太高了啦!可以再低一點嗎?幅度漲少一點 |
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12125.982 |
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報告委員我前面跟其他委員回答是這個您算出來這個是我們是在試算過程中在計算放進去3%、4%、5%我們再計算可能結果但是最後的方案還沒有還沒有研擬因為這些試算的結果還得要考慮其他的一些條件所以這個還不算方案市長所以你要提3、4、5嘛統計就3%3%也很高耶 |
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有兩個要我奉行嘛第一個從3%再降一點點那第二個就是分聯分梯的我剛才講的那被人家推啦你不是說你沒吃飯吃那麼多你重視我你說對不對是不是這樣我們以前在台下那個水渡浮是不是就是這樣子好不好可不可以不要沖天泡這樣一下29連美漲全部都上來分聯分梯考慮一下好不好把這個納入一個很重要的考量不然我告訴你你看這個幅度喔 |
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12157.95 |
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12172.833 |
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你看台北到高雄那個自強號你如果一次要這樣漲一下要漲300塊一般民眾聽到自強號一下漲300塊也是很嚇人啊而且你漲完之後我看其他同省剛剛也在問啊你是接近那個高鐵的那個自由座的耶 |
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12201.4 |
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你這樣有競爭力嗎?杜董事長這個都要考慮好不好第一個不要一下子讓民眾覺得說好像漲太多然後第二個也不要讓民眾覺得說好像一下子你要馬上跟高鐵高鐵在一樣你這樣可能競爭力也有問題啦你我問一下高鐵的事情好不好高鐵你們政府是最大股東嘛高鐵下半年也會漲嗎?今年沒有任何提到票價要漲的喔這也是個好消息喔各體部要去齁有齁當真 |
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此話當真?次長我們到現在為止沒有說到任何有關於高鐵票價要漲的事所以很有可能下半年也不見得會漲啦OK來我們最後來談一個比較談物價的影響的問題大家看我這個圖現在其實對政府跟對人民來說很重要就是說高鐵29台鐵29年沒有漲大家不會說不合理到說將要不要漲可是你要注意那個時間點 |
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12234.321 |
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12259.019 |
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不要造成那個雙台效應因為你知道只要電價漲了完之後任何的漲價都會變成雙台效應嘛尤其大眾運輸很重要的台鐵又一百個變漲價的火車頭你看這個圖我剛剛講的左邊這個漲電價通勤交通的這個價格如果一漲的話那就非常不得了啦然後現在更嚴重了我們台灣最近開始通膨物價已經上漲了對不對實質的薪資還倒退喔 |
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這四個東西加起來對台北的發展是不好的啊既然是國營事業啊我們人在關門好休閒嘛不然要做好事情對不對所以一定要注意一個就是我剛剛講不要沖天炮分梯來沒有沒有那我改改方式第二還有一個解決的方案時間點往後一點點齁有兩個很重要我提醒大家了第一雖然事業一躍就漲了電價對不對可是人家是想要小檔電費單六月嘛那第二個還有一個更更嚴重的齁 |
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6、7、8、9,夏季電價都來對不對所以我拜託一下,台鐵真的要調節,我們剛才說的至少至少,一定要在10月以後才開始討論好不好讓人家可以稍微開始討論,剛才說的,到未來稍微開始討論避開剛剛講的這個電費的這個漲價然後讓最好最好免疫來去今天我們的主席講了很英明的話講了兩次陳雪生說不要雪上加霜好不好 |
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12316.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
12316.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
謝謝章吉凱委員發言 |
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12342.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
12354.913 |
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社會請嚴光衡委員發言,嚴光衡,嚴光衡不在賴思寶委員發言,賴思寶,賴思寶不在陳北渝委員發言,陳北渝,陳北渝不在陳俊渝委員發言,陳俊渝,陳俊渝不在 |
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12356.564 |
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12382.933 |
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登記質詢委員均已經發言完畢,做以下的決定一、報告及懸答完畢二、委員黃珊珊、黃仁、黃建斌、許智偉、陳冠廷所提書面質詢,列入記錄並刊登公報三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面質詢及或未及答覆部分,請交通部盡速以書面答覆本日議程處理完畢,散會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
你知道嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
響鐘 |
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副總你今天吃的不是鐵路便當嗎?啊不是你為什麼吃別人的然後我吃鐵路便當的?我吃的不好吃啊不好吃我吃的不好吃你吃鐵路便當?對啊稍微下一個鐘沒有鐵路便當不緊張一定要鐵路便當我直白了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
兩位 |