| IVOD_ID |
158762 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158762 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T11:14:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T11:22:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58936dab2950998764a56fd3a12bc29fbbeefebb33f5927238064411f9f51987335ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:51 - 11:22:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席部長先休息我請中油的方董事長請中油方董事長 |
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董事長我們都知道我們國家缺乏自產的這個能源高達97%都是從國外進口而來的所以我們為了讓我們能源能夠穩定在2022年的時候我們就從國外探採工作計畫希望說我們能夠自主能源能夠達到10%但是到了2024年的現在我們的油源跟我們天然氣在我們中油的 |
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那個鏈產的量大概是4.89%跟2.98%達到這個10%這個目標相距還很大所以要請教董事長那我們中油跟其他國家的合作的那個探勘的這個作業什麼時候可以達到10%什麼時候你們有什麼預計什麼時候 |
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我很難跟委員報告說我預計什麼時候原因是怎麼樣呢就是在國外的碳勘或者是併購相關的礦區它都會隨著國際的情勢會有很多的一些變化所以在併購礦區的部分 |
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我們一直希望就是說委員會這邊能給我們公司在探勘預算能夠有足夠的預算探勘預算一直給你們我就講了2005年到2023年我們在周邊海域探勘花了31億 |
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絕本無歸到現在還沒有結果是不是如果我們跟其他國家合作的話這個結果會更好像我們在跟澳洲探勘的原油我們每年可以拿回300萬噸 |
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126.691 |
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141.931 |
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300萬桶拿回300萬桶跟泥日的話我們每年可以拿回780萬桶所以是不是用合作的方式會比我們自己在周邊海域探勘來得有成效對 目前我們把重心就放在所以你們有沒有專家來做一個評估是 |
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143.069 |
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153.177 |
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那尤其你剛剛講的風險問題現在中東國家中東國家的話我們看到以色列跟巴勒斯坦這個國家這個戰爭已經一年的那未來我們在這邊投資的有這個將近有5%的卡達的液化天然氣的股權的問題你們有在評估風險嗎 |
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162.323 |
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172.346 |
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風險有評估跟卡達這個合作我們認為是沒有問題的因為我們跟卡達長期以往有很長久的關係根據以往的過程經歷來看的話卡達這個國家是沒有短掃給台灣這邊所用的重點我們認為風險不大 |
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186.359 |
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210.864 |
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所以要穩定 所以我們投資這個預算的投資在這邊效益還是可以保證沒有問題我們認為 我們信心度很高好 董事長這句話我們就放心了我們一直擔心的就是中東方面的投資那我們希望這個所有的風險評估啊你現在是說沒有問題但是我們希望你們做一個風險評估之後到立法院來做報告好不好 不定時的做這個評估可以嗎 好 |
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212.944 |
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232.571 |
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接下來的話就請教董事長因為我們那個在桃園有個三接站三接站我們要天然氣的這個三接站那因為我們外移了455公尺之後那我們很多的漁船要繞道而行甚至我們的天然氣要進來的時候很多漁船都要停下 |
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233.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
235.775 |
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把網收起來 停工所以影響了整個漁民的整個生計比如說他們要走很遠才能夠出海去捕魚他們每年增加了將近10萬塊的燃料的成本 |
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248.775 |
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264.928 |
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但我們給他的補助一次性的補助了這個16萬但是他一年的油費就消耗掉了那影響了整個海域的這個生態海流的方式讓漁獲量也減少那有沒有請專家來評估對他們捕魚整個環境影響的話給他們一個相對應的這個補助嗎 |
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297.546 |
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是跟委員報告有關三階這個漁業補償歷經了相當的時間分三階段來處理第一階段是在民國大概90年第一階段都已經處理完了現在可是陸續的捕魚的環境一直都很惡化所以他們抗議聲很大你們有沒有聽到他們的抗議一再請你們去開會我要說明第一階段有關那個漁業權的部分已經補償漁業權也已經撤銷掉這個16萬已經補償我說了第二階段我們補助大概有 |
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300.487 |
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320.996 |
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0.79億這第三階段外推這個部分又補貼了0.5補償了0.56億所以董事長你這樣的補貼方式講這個金額是很不公道的這是因為他們的漁獲量減少或者是說他們的燃料費增加你們用這個海警這個我們的交通船跟這個警戒船來補助他們 |
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322.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
343.41 |
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每一年有300趟次這樣的補助但是你知道嗎他們每次出海捕魚的話本來一次性可以有2萬塊的收入現在不到1萬塊那這樣子的話你的補助你獎金是不對的他們出海都是虧損回來的而且你知道他們四居都在捕魚他們的生計他們未來活下去啊 |
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344.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
369.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
所以你應該跟他們再多多的溝通了解他們整個環境的改變變化由我們專家學者來做這個立基點來給他們適應的來補助好不好適當的補助好不好好 可以我想我們可以跟他們進行對談再來大家互相再來討論一下你們談過了可是你沒有去做一個補助或者說明你們談過多少次你知道嗎董事長 |
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371.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
397.065 |
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我不曉得這個數字好 你知道有沒有在談是有談 為什麼要談抗疫非常大我們不希望說影響你們的作業你們在2028年的話就開始要試營運了嘛 對不對如果說你們這方面沒有處理好的話會影響你的作業因為你影響他們的生計他們為了要活下去繼續補育但是餘貨量一直減少 |
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397.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
417.13 |
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這是很嚴重的問題我們三接的話今年就會試營運了這第一點第二個有關於漁民這個補償相關的事項我們會再跟他們再繼續溝通所以你們做的是提早了但是影響他們整個漁獲量這部分請董事長這邊你們有去溝通有去開會但是沒有給一個答案去處理 |
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419.438 |
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428.87 |
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董事長這邊可以承諾嗎可以承諾你一定要去處理要不然的話到時候他們又在抗爭的話會影響整個作業啦好不好好謝謝謝謝林議員謝謝方董事長 |