| IVOD_ID |
15873 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15873 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-02T08:30:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-02T13:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:26:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbe1784ed6585ee25e0f9a65472a0a5ac33be8d109af184be446a30e52926813d95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員柯志恩等17人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具「中小企業發展條例增訂第三十六條之四條文草案」案。
六、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。
七、本院國民黨黨團擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
八、本院委員張智倫等19人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十五條、第三十六條之二及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員王世堅等16人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十五條、第三十六條之二及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員郭國文等19人擬具「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員邱議瑩等29人擬具「中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。
（詢答及處理，委員郭國文等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查）【4月29日、5月1日及2日三天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:30:46 - 13:57:00 |
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好,我們繼續開會進行討論事項,請宣讀。審查：一、行政院函請審議〈中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案案〉。二、本院委員柯志恩等17人擬具〈中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案〉。委員賴士葆等19人擬具〈中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文〉。 |
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五、委員楊瓊英等16人擬具《中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案》案。五、委員楊瓊英等16人擬具《中小企業發展條例增訂第三十六條之四條文草案》案。 |
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五、民眾黨團擬具《中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案》案。七、本院國民黨黨團擬具《中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案》案。八、委員張志倫等19人擬具《中小企業發展條例第三十五條第三十六條之二及第四十條條文修正草案》案。 |
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九、委員王世堅等16人擬具《中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二》及第40條條文修正草案案。十、委員郭國文等19人擬具《中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案》案。十一、委員邱毅英等29人擬具《中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案》案。今日詢答及處理宣讀完畢。 |
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好那本日議程我們所討論事項為中小企業發展條例那部分條文修正草案我們總共有11個版本我們合併報告以及質詢那現在依照院會交付順序我們請提案委員來做提案說明那在現場由我們的謝毅峰委員代表國民黨黨團說明提案要旨請 |
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主席以及所有各部會共同來參與中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案的所有與會的部會官員大家早安今天我代表國民黨團對於我們的提案做以下的說明主計總處五月 |
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一日公布臺灣第一季的經濟成長率概估為6.51%,渴望帶動全年經濟成長率3.57%。但是根據主計總署今年二月所公布的112年全年薪資統計,112年實質經常性薪資、實質總薪資雙雙都是負成長。 |
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其中,實質經常性薪資是連續三年的負成長,實質總薪資是年減1.04%,更創下11年以來最大的負成長。另外,根據統計,2022年時未滿25歲之勞工全年總薪資中位數為36.2萬。 |
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三十歲以下的就業資薪資中位數為48.8萬與全體受僱員工總薪資中位數的55.2萬上有一段的差距所以三十歲以下的勞工薪資急需提升那國民黨團為了要解決低薪的問題提出了中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二的條文修正草案 |
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bicy 扣抵稅額的年齡從24歲以下放寬到30歲以下可扣抵當年營業勢力所得稅由目前的150%提高到220%以增加中小企業為員工加薪的誘因改善勞工低薪的現狀也讓勞工分享經濟成長的果實以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝接下來我們請賴士葆委員請做提案說明 謝謝謝謝主席以及各位先進我的提案說明基本上跟剛才謝議員提的蠻接近的就是在過去原來在馬英九主政的時候那時候就通過了說中小企業在一定的情況之下 |
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那企業主如果對員工加薪的話他扣底的費用可以成為乘130%就1.3倍那這裡面就是因為有一些的設定條件包括緊急要到達一定的程度GDP的成長率等等等等就是因為這些條件這些條件也是政府訂的是誰訂的呢?基本上拉牆就是財經澳部基本上是財政部訂的 |
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很少很少,少是又少。我們總共中小企業的家屬有120萬家以上。結果呢,申請的幾千家而已啊。然後稅損多少呢?大家以為說稅損算起來平均一年差不多一千萬。一千萬啊各位。不是一千億啊,一千萬啊。所以這個財政部啊,就是驚喜。 |
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然後拼命把這個中小企業都當壞人一樣,說你這個這樣會不會這個討稅啊、掃教稅啊、掐得太死了,所以沒有績效。那我們現在這個前幾天不是看到主計總組發表的我們前20%跟後20%台灣人的財富相差了將近67倍。 |
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讓企業來加薪大企業他有本事他有社會的責任有社會的壓力比較容易對中小企業政府很需要拉把筋很需要拉把筋所以我的內容跟剛才這個國民黨團所提的是幾乎完全一樣了就是原來130我們希望提高到200% |
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adequ.年輕的來講24歲以下的這個希望能夠從目前的150%增加到220%以上就是我個人的把這次的提案的精髓跟重點跟各位報告請各位來支持感謝謝謝謝謝我們賴士寶委員現在請楊瓊英、趙偉一併說明兩個提案要職 |
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謝謝主席,楊瓊英發言。我們針對於《中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二》提出修正草案,本院委員楊瓊英、羅廷偉等16人,我們有鑒於中小企業為我國經濟發展的基石。目前,臺灣中小企業達到98%以上, |
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adequate人數也佔全國總人口的八成。在這樣的情況之下,中小企業等因為它的規模較小,所以它不論在資金、技術、市場行銷方面都不如大型的企業,在這樣的情況之下導致薪資普遍的低落。那麼我們為了有效地解決第一心的問題,所以凝聚了中小企業發展條例的第三十六條之二, |
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來鼓勵中小企業加薪並增加聘用這個年輕的勞工以利中小企業的發展帶動整個產業薪資的一個競爭力也敬請各位同仁以及行政院來支持 |
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那麼同時在我們又提出了第36條之四那主要呢就是本院委員楊瓊英等16人有鑒於企業獲利能力為企業員工加薪是最重要的根基那你要讓企業加薪那你就必須要讓企業怎麼能夠願意要加薪除了將我們的產業擴大 |
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adequa市場機制之外更重要的要怎麼樣協助企業界所以為了加強中小企業從事外部效果較高的人才培訓品牌建立的一個投資所以我們逐步降低了代工的生產利潤微薄的困境所以我們提出了相關法案來獎勵 |
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主要就是在於中小企業在於投資人力培訓品牌發展以及健全他的會計制度這是非常重要等他的用途如果他的金額百分之三十這個限額內至當年度期的三年內可以來作為這個抵減各年度因應的盈利事業所得稅 |
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adequa制定條例的徵修條文的第36條之四本期再強調也就是在第36條之四我們所這個徵定的條文是針對於中小企業業 |
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賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會 |
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第三個是會計制度的一個健全那中小企業當年度前項各款所支出的這個超過前兩年度所支出的所有歸屬經費平均數字超過部分得以50%來抵減資我們希望中小企業能夠加薪給員工 |
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那麼但是中小企業要如何加薪政府必須要協助在我們整個的會計稅額部分來協助我們所有的中小企業能夠達到三年的面向謝謝好謝謝楊秋英委員現在秋英委員也有提案請問你要做提案說明不用是不是好謝謝那我們現在請經濟部王部長及舊委員及行政院提案版本合併報告 |
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主席、各位委員,今天針對中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案來審議,僅代表經濟部提出簡單的說明。臺灣的中小企業加數是163萬家,佔全體企業的98.9%。 |
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就業人數913萬人,占總就業人數80%,是我國經濟發展非常穩定的力量。政府向來非常重視中小企業,也全力協助中小企業改善經營環境。大家對於企業的低薪、受雇員工的低薪跟人力不足的問題非常關切。 |
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bicyncy反轉而啟動企業增估或加薪的租稅優惠這樣的階段性任務已經完成了。但是面對全球產業快速的變遷跟轉型,中小企業的人才需求也趨於多元。那麼怎麼協助中小企業來留用人才跟提高基本員工的薪資呢?有檢討現行相關增估跟加薪的優惠措施的必要。 |
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那在本條例裡面呢,第35條關於研究發展支出的投資低減。三十五條之一,智慧產權作價入國緩客。三十六條之二,增顧或者加薪租稅優惠。這幾個條文都要在今年的5月19屆起。 |
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有必要針對這些條文加以思考跟檢討。所以本部這一次就提出了刪除增顧加薪租稅優惠啟動的門檻提高了租稅優惠的加成減除率放寬適用對象跟要件並且延長這樣的租稅優惠期間10年的一個草案。針對我們提出的草案簡單做一個說明。 |
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那修正第二條部分那主要是把有限合夥新增進來當作中小企業的一環。而且它的認定標準由主管機關按照資本額經常僱用員工數等來訂定。 |
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第二、修正三十五條,就是配合第二條,因為徵定了有限合夥以後,當然也可以適用研究發展支出投資抵減的租稅優惠,相關的辦法會由經濟部跟財政部定之。第三、延長三十五條之一的施行期間,那就配合這次的修法,三十五條之一的內容沒有變動,只是把它延長時間十年。 |
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adequor然是最主要的修正32條之二。這一條我們做了比較大幅度的修正。第一個是對於徵雇員工薪資的加成減除的部分。除了延長實行期間10年以外,當然這次刪除了 |
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第二點就是加薪的薪資費用的加成減除的部分也是延長時間10年也刪除了經濟景氣的啟動門檻把加薪的費用減除率提高到150% |
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另外關於基層員工薪資適用範疇,後續也會在執法去做修訂。主要就是參考勞動部每年發布的職業別的薪資調整調結果。對於非主管最高的薪資,會有現在的5萬元,修法之後會調高到6.2萬元,也就是說6.2萬以下都可以來適用加成減除率。 |
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另外第三十六條之三只是配合產創條例的相關規定做體力一致性的規範。只有同一個事項不可以重複享有租稅優惠加以明定。另外三十九條部分把中小企業政策審議委員會的名稱按照一般的體力改為 |
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那修法之後的預期效益呢我們預估在修法之後針對中小企業雇用青年跟中高齡高齡的這個意願會增加至少可以帶動331家的企業來徵僱 |
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好,謝謝主席、各位委員、各位官員、大家早安、大家好。因為本席是會計師,所以今天非常開心來到經濟委員會,針對《中小企業發展條例》第35條、第36條之二及第40條的條文修正草案,這個說明如下。 |
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而剛剛感謝主席的說明,也感謝部長的說明,因為近年我國人口呈現少子化以及高齡化情形,依據勞動部的調查,105年後15至64歲的工作年齡人口逐漸減少,那中高年齡 |
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Judge中小企業僱用24歲以下及45歲以上員工的薪資費用加成減除率增加至百分之一百五十增加減稅誘因,讓中小企業多願意徵雇員工。除此之外, |
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則此外,我國經濟情勢由於過去十年間有經歷顯著的變化,及過去緊急反轉鼓勵企業徵顧加薪租稅優惠以達階段性任務,因此修法將中小企業 |
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護用多元人才及提升薪資水準。所以最後本席提出修正中小企業發展條例第35條、第36條之二及第40條的修正草案。敬請各位委員支持。我們希望員工加薪企業減稅共創雙贏。謝謝大家。 |
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我們今天因為藍綠委員還有行政院板也進來但是我們是有一點質疑這麼重大的一個法案我們國發會只請了專門委員我們也給予尊重但是我還是主席才還是要說明這個對於我們國家的一個經濟產業這麼重大的法案藍綠大家都關心 |
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但是身為我們國家發展委員會是最重要的心臟竟然只有派一個專門委員到我是在這邊也特別提出也請國發會趕快去聯繫你們是不是 |
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議員議員 |
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主席、各位委員先進。大家好。今天全體委員會議審查我們行政院函請審議的《中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案》以及大院各委員以及黨團分別所擬具的本條例的相關修正草案,總共有11案。本部呈要列席,僅就這個草案跟本部業務部分報告及說明。《中小企業發展條例第三十五條》、《第三十五條之一》還有《第三十六條之二》 |
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這些租稅優惠措施將在今年的5月19日施行屆滿。因應國際經貿情勢的變動以及產業發展的趨勢,中小企業當然需要升級來轉型,所以有持續提供租稅優惠的必要。 |
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經濟部會同本部研議相關條文的修正草案也在行政院本年4月18日函請大約審議本次修正的重點主要是延長上開租稅優惠條文的施行期間從今年的1月1日起到122年的12月31日止並且修正三十六條之二有關增僱員工或加薪薪資費用加成減除的租稅優惠有關修正的重點 |
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就是我們這次條例三十六條之二的部分說明如下首先為了鼓勵企業增固青年以及提升我國中高齡與高齡國民的勞動參與率以舒緩未來勞動力短缺的問題我們這次修法是刪除了經濟景氣指數達一定情形的啟動門檻 |
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adequ.新增資創立或者是增資擴展要達到一定投資額的適用條件。這兩個條件刪除以後,其實是整個放寬了我們中小企業能夠加薪適用的租稅優惠的措施。在適用的範圍部分,除了維持現行增僱24歲以下的員工之外,我們也增訂了增聘45歲以上的員工。 |
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他的薪資費用加成減除的比率由現行的130%提高到150%。至於本條第二項的修正,主要就是為了鼓勵中小企業為了基層的員工來加薪,協助我們中小企業來留用人才,所以我們也刪除了經濟景氣指數達一定情形的啟動門檻。 |
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基本上大家都是為了促進企業增僱員工以及加薪的政策目的。因為我們行政院的版本其實已經有充分考量我國勞動的市場以及企業流用人才的需求還有就是兼顧租稅公平這些相關的面向基本上我們是覺得已經可以合理達成本條租稅優惠的政策目的。 |
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所以建請各位委員能夠支持。另外就是有關楊委員瓊瑛以及臺灣民眾黨黨團提案增訂本條例第三十六條之四有關人才培訓品牌發展以及健全會計制度這三項支出投資抵減租稅優惠的部分因為這幾項支出本來現行就可以依照我們所得稅法的相關規定來核實認列費用相作為減除。 |
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而且,現行的相關規定已經適度反映企業的成本,降低企業的租稅負擔。由於這些支出是屬於企業基於一個自立的動機所為的支出,所以在國際間有關相關租稅優惠的措施幾乎都沒有這一類的投資體檢的租稅優惠,所以我們是建議這個條文的修正希望能夠在審慎的考量。 |
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bicy 已經考量了整個產業發展的需要,以及檢視了租稅優惠整體實施的效益,同時也兼顧了中小企業發展以及租稅公平這些相關的面向,提供了適切中小企業發展的租稅優惠措施,並盡情支持行政院的版本。以上說明,敬請各位委員指教。 |
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好 謝謝次長的說明就是因為沒有才要制定才能夠協助我們的產業如果我們今天制定修正修定的還是跟原來的一樣那我們今天要修訂什麼好不好我們大家共同討論好不好好 那個國發會有沒有在聯繫國發會現在怎麼樣呢對啊 國發會呢 |
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一個這麼重要台灣中小企業這麼重要藍綠大家都這麼重要對不對我們的國防會竟然只有派一個專門委員到我們的經濟委員會來他是看不起我們的中小企業是不是可以如此嗎 |
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台灣如果沒有中小企業就沒有台灣的經濟啊一個國防會可以這樣藐視我們的中小企業嗎?休息三分鐘 |
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好,來接續。我們請國防會跟勞動部的書面報告請我們委員自行參閱並刊登公報。來,那本日議程我們在做宣達前,我們依照慣例有幾項的宣告。 |
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每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時加1分鐘,非本委委的部分的4分鐘。那我們上午10點半截止這個發言登記。我們首先請第一位邱映穎委員請做詢問。 |
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議員主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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adequa當然是我們要增顧員工的租稅優惠現在要增加納入45歲以上中高齡及高齡者為適用的對象那這個增顧員工的這個租稅優惠的加成減除率提高到150%本期的版本是175%部長您怎麼看 |
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我後來覺得其實包括何欣淳委員提的一個案子是他希望納入到55歲以上。 |
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那我覺得其實55歲以上都還算是壯年啊都還算是一個非常成熟非常精壯的這樣的一個年代部長我還是直接就我上面提的問題你怎麼看就是說您同不同意如果我們把這個年齡再把它往上提高那第二個我們這樣的一個租稅優惠你們的估算它會不會產生稅損 |
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那就是說我再拉一個集聚,55歲或者是65歲以上,我們的那個租稅的那個加成減除率是可以到200%,如果再拉一個集聚起來呢,您覺得?因為我們有去算過,譬如說是65歲以上的人,這個相關的 |
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bicyn 其實臺灣現在65歲的勞動參與率只有9.62%,就是您講的。 |
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bicyn 迴聘這些比較,這個才叫所謂的中高齡,讓他們來發揮他們的專長,在中小企業上面提供一些他們的這個經驗分享,甚至來導入更多的這一些經營的觀念做法。 |
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是不是有可能讓我們在創造這些中高齡在就業的這個參與勞動參與率能夠讓他上升我不曉得這個你們行政院就是說經濟部或者是有沒有做過這樣的相關的討論兩個問題吼那第一個就是現在的勞基法讓65歲以上可以繼續工作這個目前台灣的機制有了吼那 |
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adequa法律的修改是針對65歲以上就像委員講讓他再回聘的話給他加成減除這是第一個那第二個呢事實上在勞動部那一邊有非常多的機制針對這個中高齡或者高齡就 |
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bicyn 您覺得不適合放在我們今天的這個提案裡頭去做65歲以上的,對,65歲以上那個勞動部一定有相關的補助,還有相關補助,對對。 |
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好,那部長我也再跟您請教第二個問題我們現在在第二個就是跟我們這個法條有關你們講到說限制中小企業最近三年如果有違反環保、勞工、食安等等的相關的法律而且情節重大者經中央目的事業主管機關認定就不得申請此條例的租稅優惠部長我想 |
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此前一陣子這個所謂的保齡茶室的中毒案大家都非常的關心那在更早之前這個所謂的蘇丹鴻這同一個應該是同一組人馬他創立了時間不同的公司類似像這樣的食安重大食安要件 |
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請問你們要怎麼查?你們會怎麼查?那如何認定它叫做情節重大?是經濟部自己來認定呢?還是會同其他的部會來認定?我們會請相關的單位來幫我們認定。那目前政府的這個秩序系統,就這個公司有沒有違反法規都有系統了。 |
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那如果換個名字換個名字換個負責人但實際經營者還是同一批而且您會不會覺得假如我只限制他三年的租稅優惠不得申請租稅優惠三年他其實三年來對他來講或許很短的時間三年之後他換一個人換一個負責人的名字換一個公司的名字又重新再來您查得到嗎經濟部查得到嗎 |
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bicyn 如果就現在的沒有辦法這樣查那除非是在個案裡面有法院的認定或者是有行政機關的認定才有辦法這樣再去勾結所以他還是有可能會去規避掉這些法律的鑽這個所謂的法律漏洞就是他換個名字 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具 |
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第一個,像蘇丹紅這個案子,那因為發現有這個現象,所以目前就是我們把經濟部的商業署把資料整理出來之後給衛福部,那衛福部如果做了處分,那就變成這一片的所有的公司都會被處分了,那就有可以知道有這個記錄了。那三年是現在相關的法規都是定一樣的三年。 |
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主席可不可以再給我一分鐘,我想要請教一下,如果部長你來不及回答,也沒有關係,是不是可以給我一些書面的記錄。就是我們這個臺美21世紀的貿易倡議進度,其中它裡面有一個中小企業的專章。那我們今天在談到中小企業的發展條例,其實我比較很想知道就是說對於這個東西經濟部的中小企業署, |
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如何來輔導我們的中小企業能夠符合所謂的中小企業專章?有沒有辦法來協助他們做提升?是不是請您簡要回答?如果來不及的話可不可以給我一些比較詳細的訊息?這個部分我們在這個專章下面我們已經兩邊至少經濟部的部分已經成立一個委員會這個委員會我們也邀請這個中小企業的這些領袖一直來參加 |
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閱來怎麼樣來跟美國這邊的中小企業對接然後尋找更多的商機這是還蠻有意義的事情所以你們已經在持續進行當中我們有成立了那也現在跟美國都有很多的不同的產業的一個合作齁那這個合作的時候我們這邊也會讓這些相關的中小企業來參與相關的產業合作如果那個可以說明的部分是不是也給本席一個數字的部分好不好是好 |
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接下來我們請郭國文委員做體驗說明 |
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感謝主席、我們經濟委員會、我們各位委員還有在場的王美化部長本席針對中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二提出修正草案的看法是原來的條文其實是有如殭屍條文重看且不能用但是我們就一直期待說我們經濟部所提出的這一個條款內容當中是不是有更精進之處但是就經濟部所提的說 |
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現在的修正案當中,可能可以造成的運版的可以通過4000個工作機會,然後帶動207家企業加薪,那5850名員工受惠。老師說,就如果修法,我們動用這麼大的修法的成本,耗費這麼多的行政週夜跟流程,而達到這樣的效果,我是老師說,實在是非常非常划不來。 |
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而就整體的163家的中小企業來說,913萬的勞工相比,這個數字真的是微乎其微。所以我真的覺得目前的院版的版本是在過於保守。基本上我們對加薪抵稅的條款賦予相當高的期待,但是我真的覺得應該要好好放寬,因此本行提出一個相關的修正案。特別是最近我們整個GDP的占比, |
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也就是說GDP的這個經濟成果的共享顯然非常的一個不均衡也不公平而方向上也跟其他國家不一致所以說因此我跟院版的部分有一個主要條文的一個變化跟差異在第一個取消經濟景氣指數要件也就是取消失業率的門檻那將獎勵常態化 |
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第二個呢也把這個年齡的門檻做一個區隔第一個只要徵聘本國的員工的部分呢減除的比例呢就應該提升為150%但是如果特定對象的部分呢就24歲以下或45歲以上也就是說目前經濟部的條款當中院版的條款當中規範的這個特定對象特定年齡的對象的部分減除的比例更應該提高到200%那這樣的情況底下我相信會相對有誘因啦 |
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我覺得經濟部不用替財政部太多的考量還擔心那個稅紮存的問題而且最近我們稅收還算不錯所以我認為應該比較用大膽的方式來進行這個加薪抵稅的一個修正才能真正達到他政策的目標以上謝謝好謝謝來接下來我們繼續詢討我們請謝一鋒委員請做詢討 |
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主席好,我想要請王部長、李市長,還有我們中小更新創署的侯署長。好,請以上三位,謝謝。 |
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其實經濟部的那個版本除了在36條之二我們有疑慮的部分我其他都是原則上的同意但是我認為就是在36條之二我們剛才也聽到了幾位委員所說其實我覺得剛才在事前的時候我也跟理事長有做一些溝通他們認為說好像過去 |
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adequ.是提高也沒有辦法促成促成中小企業為員工加薪喔那我不知道這是原因還是結果是你們不願意提高因為我在學校上課的時候連大學生都跟我說他說如果我們中小企業提高就是租稅減免也只是一年而已150%但是他為了 |
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就是青年加薪或者是為員工加薪是每年都要提撥所以你們只把那個扣底額從130提撥到150怎麼能夠有足夠的誘因讓企業為員工加薪呢?是不是?我們請次長說一下好不好? |
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報告委員基本上因為我們以前舊的就是修正前的這個中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二當然是因為原來的門檻適用的門檻相對比較嚴格所以呢可能就是因為這個門檻啟動的條件太嚴格所以之前適用的這個加數不是很多 |
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adequate to the new year. |
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他今年加薪的時候只有今年試用嘛,他不可能每年加薪,可是他每年所要負擔的他因為今年度的加薪,未來他所要負擔的勞健保的提高等等都會在今年,那他如果認為說這試算結果沒有足夠的誘因的時候,他就不可能為員工加薪嘛。 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具 |
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полне不會造成稅損啊。那既然不會造成稅損,為什麼我們不就在36條之二就直接提高?像國民黨的版本,我們就是從130提高到200嘛。 |
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netesa,如果是30歲以下提高到220%,我認為這不可能造成多少的稅損,但是如果企業願意為員工加薪的時候,就會造成說剛才郭委員所提到的,可能未來我們的薪資佔GDP可以逐年的提高啊,是不是? |
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委員剛才講的其實是非常正確的基本上就是當然因為企業但是我們也考慮到就是說因為企業要不要為員工加薪當然除了租稅的誘因之外但是同樣的就是剛才委員有提到就是說因為企業加薪員工加薪以後他相對的有一些相對的成本也會相對提高包含他要替員工提撥勞健保的費率會提高然後另外呢 |
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議員柯志恩等19人發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。 |
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是,其實不是說沒有稅損啦,其實還是會有租稅的損失。我知道啦,可是不是很多嘛,其實相對來說不是很多嘛。既然稅損不是很多的情況下,如果我們在這一條稅法裡面的扣抵額度能夠提高比率的話, |
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閱讀委員 |
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adequate 相關的誘因的時候,畢竟我們還有電價的問題,對不對?那你如果沒有在這些經營成本上面給企業誘因的話,企業怎麼樣子為員工加薪啊?對不對?是,也跟委員報告,其實我們這一次的修法也是政府因為已經把130提高到150%,等於就是 |
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bicyn 公司支付了一定的薪資費用,政府也負擔了將近三成的成本,當然委員如果要,各位委員版本當然會提到這個比例。因為這只有一年嘛,其實企業為員工加薪以後它是每年都是這個,它不可能今年加以後隔年又調回來嘛,是不是? |
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議員柯志恩 |
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議員主席 |
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我也想要順便問一下,就是在這一次的那個臺美21世紀貿易倡議這裡面,OTN有沒有提到其實對於國內的企業,或者是對於專業的經理人來講,他在意的是雙重課稅,有沒有提到這個相關的? |
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三重退稅這件事情不會在21貿易倡議裡面討論,因為臺美的租稅協定基本上一定要透過這個所謂租稅協定的簽署來適用。那個21世紀貿易倡議裡面沒有談到租稅相關。那未來你們會在租稅協定的時候? |
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現在是因為那個就是美方他們其實已經有相關的提案在那個也通過了這個參議院的是眾議院眾議院已經通過這個法案送到參議院去做最後的決定那目前就是參議院這邊在做最後的考量那如果說美方那邊參議院已經大家都同意願意修法的話通過的話這個這個法案通過的話其實我們就會跟美方啟動那個相關的註冊協議的範文還有就是後續的程序 |
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好,我希望我們趕快促成,因為這也是我認為就是說國際法人在這個上面共同會注意到的相關的問題。那我也希望就是財政部的理事長,你應該要帶回去財政部。其實我們三十六條之二或者是召委的三十六條之四,即便是加入的話, |
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adequate |
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陳婷菲委員 |
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響鐘 |
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unemploye 明天這個電業法要進一步二讀要修法要經由立法院來同意未來調整電價要經由立法院來同意那如果沒有的話就要凍結預算未來在審預算的時候要來做一個被個動作那你覺得這樣的一個說法我想部長你在這個位置這麼久了我想你的感覺跟未來如果是這樣的一個處理的話該怎麼去應對 |
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議員主席 |
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adequate規劃之後,到大會去討論的時候都還有做一些修改。沒錯阿,部長這是現在的電業法嗎?對,現在電業法,然後現在審查方式。可是現在進步二讀要去修的是,未來電價要送到立法院來審議嗎? |
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通過,那你覺得這樣的一個做法,而且他明天就可能要進付二讀嗎?要抽出進付二讀嗎?那在這樣的一個狀況之下,在你的專業角度,你的感覺是什麼? |
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我們的看法是什麼?我們當然是認為現在的機制是比較好、比較對的。那因為這個部分就,裡面在審議會又就台電的成本等等的去做考量,然後來判斷要怎麼調整。那如果這個還要到立法院同意的時候,那這個整個的時間, |
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我想國會理性來問政,那我們行政機關努力來做事情。我想為了國家的好,大家應該是不要有這個黨派的這樣的一個建議。部長,這個店家肯定現在開始會炒不完。 |
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adequate?一定會炒不完如果你們執意就是一定要依照電價委員會的審議來漲電價的話那麼我相信未來在整個立法院一定是炒翻天我覺得還是要溝通啊 |
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該怎麼溝通還是要溝通因為這520之前跟520之後他所面臨的整個執政團隊的一個態度跟未來的方向其實都有很大的影響所以我還是希望因為總是我們在立法院已經是第五屆了我們看了那麼多沒有溝通未來就是可能 |
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議員柯志恩 |
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你知道嗎哪有一個工業區新興工業區沒有設污水處理這是什麼地方啊這是什麼狀況你說舊有的OK新的工業區沒有設污水 |
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發了一個文說那3月21號已經公告領選的結果所以是由舊的工業區開始包括永康仁德然後把它都因為新興是在候補這是什麼狀態啊那表示我們經濟委員會下去就沒有用啊就因為我們大家知道就沒有嘛所以才拜託我們經濟部要來協助嘛結果還是一樣的答案那幹嘛 |
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那我們經濟委員會下去幹嗎?剛委員報告齁那這個部分事實上我今天下午我就本來跟同仁約下午會針對去的所有的問題我們會走一遍那怎麼協助那至於委員剛才提到的那個我們對協助涉汙水廠這個部分那如果我們同仁講應該是按照原來的這個規定有一個修建的時間機制那過了之後那未來 |
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因為這個不會只有一年那未來怎麼樣再增加這個部分我會再跟同仁討論一下部長他是一個新興的工業區你會不會覺得很扯新興工業區沒有污水處理系統這誇張到了極點然後整個都停擺在那裡我們現在在鼓勵大家要設廠結果一個工業區停擺在那裡第二個 |
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我們看到柳科環保園區廠商協經會的提案李市長的提案然後他說有啊這個3月27號就有做成決議如果有做成決議4月22號還要來我們這個經濟委員會我們李市長還說都沒有得到任何訊息你們這是什麼態度啊給我們的資料就是這個 |
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委員報告有關那個柳科那個水池的問題,基本上我們要跟那個經發局再跟廠商的聯誼會大家來討論,因為目前來講柳科的供水是直接由烏山頭結廠的管系直接供水都沒有問題,那廠商擔心的是缺水的時候, |
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就是缺水啊,因為有蓄水池啊,你有蓄水桶,有蓄水裝置,結果都用不到。是,所以這部分我們要跟經發局跟廠商聯誼會來討論,怎麼樣來改善這個說法。這個我們政府開前去做的呢,有好笑嗎?政府開前去做,結果沒在用。 |
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包括原來這個部分是市政府的設施啦,後來我們有跟他談,後來接管,所以接管這個部分我們跟經發局跟廠商聯理會來討論,後來怎麼改善,這個部分我們會來做一個處理。還有另外一個,就是我們現在私人開發的工具台南很多啦,但是就是那個入權的部分,公共設施的管理, |
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所有就是上面踢下面下面踢上面部長那天講得很清楚我告訴你光剛剛三個問題我約五月六號早上九點我們一次去把它處理清楚因為部長說你要重新走一遍嘛那走一遍之後五月六號我們到現場我要答案我覺得我們都在拼速度拼效率 |
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我覺得這是不對的我們其實非常重視那樣的一個溝通那相關的議題呢我們也會我先請同仁先研究5月6號9點我會排三場那再麻煩我們就一次把它看清楚啦然後你們的答案在哪裡啦再麻煩一下否則我覺得經濟委員會下去得到的資料卻是這個問題還有一個缺工現在中小企業全部都缺工 |
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adequum要怎麼解決這也是大問題謝謝好謝謝我們繼續請林黛樺委員有請部長我們再請王部長 |
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在正式質詢之前本席想知道部長你什麼時候為我高雄市林園區中油工業區下南方的中山地區的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
賴芷芷議員 |
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我們的新市卿因為在院裡面那院裡面還有一些問題在詢問我們你覺得這個案子應該要跟市卿更新掛鉤嗎那因為對中友來講你有沒有把上次本席所提到的這一塊土地是因為工業區下去之後所造成的污染而導致它農地不能農用農地也不能種植而導致要做相關的工廠 |
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議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。」案。議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。 |
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厲不需要得到補償?他是工業去下去去讓人家講,那如果你連這個都不敢答你怎麼講社會企業啊?你怎麼敢在本席這邊講ESG啊?你憑什麼?你這個部長你憑什麼? |
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你如果連一個社會企業你只會照稿念只會照著行政院給你的稿念那你不用來當部長啊今天我是講人民的心聲因為企業工業區下去所造成的環境汙染林園工業區多久了林園工業區多久了來回答下面的人給部長訊息吧 |
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四十年了,部長。四十年的工業區造成人民土地的污染。 |
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而且是閒置!完全沒有產值欸!你覺得這不應該負起社會責任嗎?中有不應該負起社會責任嗎?工業局不該負起該有的社會責任嗎?請回答是或不是?如果是!那就應該要繼續做吧!裡面這塊土地好好的認定這塊土地應該要做怎麼樣的一個這個 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具 |
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你心裡的價值要有,你的社會企業的這個價值,社會企業價值在做什麼? |
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5841.882 |
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即使中游最後是由中游來協議架構這對他也是ESG啊怎麼不會是ESG的項目呢這也是一個鼓勵的方式啊部長你做了四年欸難得有長官願意挺你挺四年欸 |
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請回答吧,你這句話,有下去會刊,你說你今天,剛才,剛才陳飛誠委員講說因為你下去會刊,所以今天你要做這個會議的處理,好,那本期這個也請你會刊了。去年呢,有會刊過啦,然後也通過質詢啦,今天再次的質詢啦,那你什麼時候再討論?我要正式的會議結論啦。 |
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我今天站在這邊我就是逼你 |
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你什麼時候開這個會議?再次正式開會議?討論社會企業的ESG要怎麼做?討論社會企業對於環境衝擊該有什麼作為? |
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我下個禮拜找一個時間。下禮拜五前喔。好,正式會議紀錄出來。會議紀錄要有。不做黑箱作業的。如果你私下討論那個叫做黑箱作業。這是本席有公文給你,兩次包括上次跟今次也有下去會刊的。 |
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好,所以是我再問一次什麼時候你召開會議再討論?對,我會下個禮拜找一個時間跟同仁討論。好,現在進行今天的正式質詢。經濟景氣的寒冬政府如何因應?好,這個前提是什麼?我們一直講說臺積電本國是以臺灣這個國家是以出口導向的國家。所以呢,我們除了電子、直通訊、半導體相關的產業一枝獨秀的出口,其他的產業 |
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好,全球經濟的展望這都是公開的資訊在年初的時候這個公視新聞網也有提也有講到世界銀行針對2024年的初估全球經濟成長率會從去年的2.6降到2.4呈現連三年的衰退的趨勢臺灣就是以出口為導向許多產業在去年是連續好幾季都出現出口訂單衰退的除了 |
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剛才講的這個資通訊、電子以及這個半導體相關產業是一枝獨秀之外,其他的出口定然是衰退的。甚至部分員工都有放無薪假,放無薪假不是本席講的,這個是勞動部年初的新聞稿就有七大產業是放無薪假的。 |
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好,這個上次諮詢我有提供出來。好,市場憂心了。本國的狀況,全球的經濟展望是這樣的走緩。以諸葛偉導向的台灣,2024年今年是否還能夠保三呢?全年度是否保三呢?要提醒的是,二屋戰爭、以巴戰爭等戰爭持續中,若戰爭的衝突擴大,一定會對全球經濟造成強烈的衝擊。 |
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adequacy台灣出口訂單也很可能會持續衰退,出口訂單如果衰退持續擴大,經濟部如何讓經濟成長率能夠全年飽散或者降低衰退的幅度。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
6079.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
好,那我們中小企業的困境是什麼?我就以臺經院這一張的資料庫,這也公開訊息兩張圖。第一張是金屬製品,這是跟我高雄市非常指標的產業,構建業。我就以這個金屬產業當中這十年來,中小企業金屬製造業在2014到2020的 |
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6096.053 |
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bicyncy一時是屬於第一名的,一直到2021的時候,達到景氣高峰了。有了這個景氣分數是16.85,景氣的這個燈號是黃紅燈呈陽生的。好,2021年之後,到達高峰之後呐,呈現了 |
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所以疫情短短數個月蔓延全球120個國家,造成全球經濟嚴重衝擊,而各產業的經濟是難以估算損失的,導致2022、2023景氣再度轉為低迷。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
6142.609 |
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好,那這個的另外這張圖呢也對應了這個是相關的景氣訊息圖對應剛才的這個扣件業的這個景氣的訊息是一樣的。疫情過後因缺工缺料原料物原物料的上漲貸款利息的調升等各種的因素導致成本高漲許多中小企業。 |
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有苦說不出,也只能苦稱甚至觀察對於國內產業遇到的經濟景氣低迷,經濟部你們對中小企業做了什麼事呢?好,爬書一下,你們呢這個也針對呢這個疫情過後全球產業啊 |
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朝向這樣的目標在邁進,低碳減排,智慧化的管理,生產設備自動化,而且深化ESG的經營理念。產業升級已經是全球的趨勢勢在必行,而產業升級它要做什麼呢? |
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adequate 人事成本研發技術購買機器設備都需要投入相當多的資源成本而現在中小企業遇到什麼問題你上面要朝向這個世界趨勢當中所提出的補助方案我們中小企業遇到什麼問題三個第一個缺乏撰寫計畫書的專業人才 |
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adequue沒有足夠人力跟人力進行研發。第三個機器設備過於昂貴了因為要升級啊。所以呢這是業者無法順利推動產業升級的主要原因。這是本席希望你把這三個原因看好聽好記好。 |
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好,業者一直苦於接不到訂單,又要推動產業升級,中小企業是臺灣的經濟命脈。資本是不如大企業的雄厚,需要政府的大力支持。好,現在你們針對中小企業雖然有以大代小的補助方案,產業低碳科技應用補助計畫。好,你們有這個計畫。這三年112到114補助38,平均一年是1%。 |
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好,那這個呢,中小企業呢,是百萬加一百五十幾萬啊。好,那增多、周少,通常一百五十幾萬是包括這個整個科技業。好,那當然這個中小企業佔了百分之九成啊。好,那所以呢,這麼規模,這個增多、周少的情況之下,這樣的計畫是什麼?大、大小。部長要讓你知道,魔鬼就出在這個細節當中。 |
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你這個所謂的38億啊是大帶小 要嘛是一間大的帶四間小的 要嘛就一間大的帶十間小的 |
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部長,如果這個案子下去,你覺得誰會拿最多?當然是大的啊!那個一帶四的四、一帶十的那個十,根本連麵包學都拿不到啊!是,通常都是規模較大的公司拿到較多的資源,剩餘的小公司真的看得到吃不到。再加上審查機制,學者專家的學理專業的審查, |
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對於實務是有落差的,造成資訊不對等。好,審查機制嚴謹固然是好,卻會讓我中小企業望知卻步。如何建立一個有效的審查機制本席建議?補助從寬,查核從嚴。我們現在是補助從嚴,查核也從嚴。 |
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所以根本沒有辦法補助我們中小企業者啊。幾乎西半部啊,包括我們昭緯,這個我們都是最很重視,像昭緯也是都對中小企業很著力、很支持的。台中也好、高雄也好,他們的供給區、我們的構建產業都會遇到這個問題啊。好,所以本席有具體的要求。 |
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為務實提供中小企業升級期度過寒冬我請你們檢討產業低碳科技應用的補助雖然今年剩下11億建議直接補助中小企業了不要再以大代小了讓政府的補助租稅優惠的方案讓中小企業直接受益怎麼在ESG減排製造的鏈接能夠直接的提升最後第二個 |
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gines部也請你們重新檢討中小企業申請科技專案的審查機制應該以心力為主防弊為輔要聽好心力為主防弊為輔你們現在是怎麼做以設備其中你們很多項其中針對設備的使用費你們既然是用直線折就60個月好那一計劃使用期限給予補助好這個講起來有點小複雜你們回去問清楚 |
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韓國瑜 |
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那如果他是買國產化的設備,朝全額補助一帶動台灣整體的經濟。好,來,部長您稍微問一下。好,那部長再請你書面資料答覆給我們,相識跟委員說明,謝謝。委員提的那個相關的事情。好,請你書面資料再答覆給委員。好。謝謝。好,接下來我們請鄭政權委員請做詢談。 |
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主席好,我想請一下王美花部長我們再請王部長 |
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部長好因為這段時間其實我們對於整個電價的問題討論很多啦我剛剛聽到有執政黨的委員期許你做一天和尚敲一天鐘因為離520剩下兩個多禮拜啦那本席其實希望是因為電價這個問題為什麼會鬧得這樣沸沸揚揚禮拜二的院會的時候還用59比50的時候通過一個動長的一個決議就是因為 |
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那麼您還在部長這位的當中的時候,我也覺得您這邊也許也應該要多做一些努力。那我這邊要特別講,我先提幾個數字,其中有兩個數字也跟我們今天要修的那個中小企業發展條例其實會有關。112年,整個台灣的經濟成長率只有1.42%,是14年來的最低。 |
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然後112年貧富差距到6.15倍是12年來最大。然後112年實質經常性薪資連續三年負成長。然後112年全年總薪資創造11年來的最大負成長。112年12月工業生產指數年減3.99%連續19個月負成長。 |
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這些數字就是要告訴部長為什麼電價這麼關鍵 |
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光明新主委他說:「當我們成長10%的電價的時候,後面影響的成本波動會高達2%到3%之間。所以我們認為整個的電價就出在了一個能源政策。所以本席剛剛一開始就希望部長能夠多做一些好事,讓台灣的經濟能夠有更好的發展的一個動能。另外一個部分, |
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整個綠電政策最近台南地檢爆出來的立陽光電案更是讓所有的民眾氣到不行一家公司快過小二甲的狀態然後非法去申請 |
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adequate 111 件查到目前為止,還有15件還沒有查,還有19件還沒有查完。為什麼發生這狀態?因為從民進黨當中的行政院顧問谷聖輝新竹人啊,他的公司總部設在新竹市民進黨的黨部啊。 |
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然後跟我們經濟部能源署的組長林文信串在一起去影響台南市政府的顧問 |
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然後去影響...我今天只是要跟你們講說為什麼大家對於整個電價動漲會這麼樣子的堅持就是因為希望部長你在部長任內的時候剩下兩個多禮拜能夠讓能源政策好好的去 |
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那你這邊你要為那個林組長去辯護什麼我說你本身是學法律的你之後在他訴訟過程你可以幫他很多的忙可是目前我們看到的起訴書當中就是讓大家非常的跳腳那這個部分呢剩下兩個多禮拜我希望說部長對於台灣能源政策的調整是會有一些功能的那我接下來就繼續講我們今天要特別講的中小企業發展條例的修正草案 |
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我這邊也直接提到一個狀態因為剛剛有提到說這幾年整個薪資走勢其實薪資的成長性非常的低我剛剛也直接提到了這兩個數字 |
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包括了實質薪資還有失資經常性薪資都是出現負成長的一個情況那我們今天的修法除了要延長中小企業加薪抵稅10年然後放寬條件然後包含了刪除景氣啟動門檻那麼提高租稅抵借的減免的優惠那麼新增45歲以上中高齡也可以適用這些部分基本上 |
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adequate to the reduction rate, the reduction rate is now 150%. |
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The reduction rate of the general staff is expected to increase to 200%. |
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那這邊的時候呢我們在2018年已經變成了高齡化的一個社會那預計2025年明年就會進到一個超高齡的一個情況那整個臺灣的一個人口紅利已經快速的流失但是我們就發現引髮族就業的情況退離的情況其實很普遍我這邊再提到一個數字就是 |
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勞動部華統計台灣45歲到50歲中高齡的勞動參與率比韓國、日本、美國都差不多可是在55歲以後就快速的下降55歲以上就快速的一個下降所以本席在這邊的時候想請教一下部長你認為我們中高齡的勞動參與率偏低主要原因在哪裡? |
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在目前的統計的資料我們的勞參率確實在65歲以上跟其他的國家比較低一點但是我們也看到另外一個部分就是65歲以上再就業比例其實 |
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議員非常低啦在目前台灣的狀況下齁那這個是所以我在想說在整個出生率這麼低的一個情況之下齁那我在想說需要有更多的一個政策的一個支持啦所以今天在審這個中小企業發展條例的部分的時候我們才會希望齁把這個減除率齁能夠提高鼓勵鼓勵企業幫員工加薪然後能夠讓更多 |
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閱讀委員賴士葆 |
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接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做詢答。主席、各位委員、邀請部長還有中小 |
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經部今天的報告裏面提到我國中小企業加數約163萬家,佔全體企業98.90%,就業人數約913萬人,佔總就業人數80%,是我國經濟發展穩定的力量。好,我們看昨天,這是昨天主計總署的報告,在財政委員會昨天的報告。 |
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就GDP分配面結構觀察,受雇人員報酬所佔比重在民國70及80年代平均約為49.3%,90年代為45.5%,101到111年間為40.6%,介於43.1% |
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adequate to 146%之間。我們從這個來看受雇人員報酬所佔的比重在低減而剛才談的整個我們的中小企業是佔最多數所以這個勞工也就在這個地方最多好我們看剛才 |
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主計總署的這個報告裏面,從七十一到九十年,民國七十一年到九十年,受僱人員的報酬,這個佔整個它的這個一個結構,來看的話,四十九點三,營業營業,三十點七,甚至三十一點七,三十三點八, |
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然後我們看這個111年或110年,就剛才也講了這個數字。受雇人員報酬43.14、43.9,然後營業營業增加36.4、34,比這個民國71年到90年的都來得高。所以我們要去參考這個。 |
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所以我們給中小企業決定要協助協助了之後要怎麼樣讓他能夠也照顧這些我們的受僱人員也就是勞工這個不是這個部分經濟部勞動部我們政府都應該去重視所以這個部分你看看我們看這個最右邊生產及進口稅 |
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〔記者註冊〕 |
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閱讀委員裏面的報告 |
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響鐘 |
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到底這樣的數字,行政院版,到底是不是合理?好,剛才委員同仁也有提到,24歲,以前的24歲早就工作了,沒有錯啊,現在的24歲都還要念書啊,還在大學啊,還在研究所啊,還在找工作啊。 |
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所以你還是維持這個。然後45歲以下,現在都高齡化了,少子女化了,到底對不對?我們協助企業,要協助,但是勞工,怎麼樣能夠也被照顧?有沒有考量?所以這個部分,部長, |
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署長、我們勞動部的同仁,真的跟我們的現在的這個社會勞動力的結構不一樣啊。部長要不要說明一下? |
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謝謝。第一個45歲以上這個部分其實是放得非常寬也就是說只要是你新聘一個45歲以上的那你就可以得到這個加成減除率我知道那個部長我的意思是說第一個24歲以下要進場的還在念書還在工作還在念書了24歲以後 |
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然後差不多也是45歲他本來就會一定會工作啦然後到底應該怎麼樣要有一些分析的數據就我們整個臺灣的勞動的那個年齡的結構 |
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恐怕要有一些很精準的分析所以我知道你這個我都知道你的用意我知道但是到底這樣子是合不合理有沒有符合我們現在的勞動力的結構這個部分是真的是需要去好好的去協助中小企業是應該的 |
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但是在這樣的過程當中,要不要另外其他的條文說這些後例怎麼樣去照顧勞工的薪資?這個都必須要一起通盤的去考量啊,可以嗎? |
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賴主席。 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
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對。今天我把昨天主計總署的報告呈現在給經濟部部長、中小企業署的署長。你就可以看得出來受僱人員的報酬是在降低的。營業營業是升高的。以上。謝謝。是。謝謝。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7524.434 |
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7526.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做詢答。我們再請王部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7560.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7561.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7588.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
立法院通過國民黨的董長跟我們臺灣民眾黨的環長,現在看起來,經濟部我們請的也是白茶夾子掃,也是要掌是不是?這是不是藐視國會跟新民意呢?能不能,例如說你來報告啊,像我們臺灣民眾黨的提案,非常理性、務實、科學啊,就是說你來報告完之後,針對最近發生的弊案,例如說立洋, |
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| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7608.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
這個閉案、光電閉案這太嚴重了,檢察官都講不法利益所的91年兩千六百億,那你現在要起訴60幾個光電的這案子,你來把它解釋、說明清楚,對不對?第二,針對我們能源政策、針對整個電價的結果、還有台電買電的這錢,我們不是說不讓你過,你來說服我們大家, |
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7612.349 |
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這樣就夠了,剛才陳廷輝都說他有溝通啊,不要發財去就知道,好不好?你現在起來吧,你來把他講清楚。溝通我們都樂意,本要的這些的資料我們也都非常非常樂意提供。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7635.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
但是電價的部分,那經過審議會,那按照現在的法律來執行,我想這個還是讓台電... |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這個光電閉案這是定律拜國都要起手的啊,這都是新的案子啊。就我們經濟部,我們都可以來說明,我們沒有問題。好不好,我們繼續要,不要懷茶驚十十啦。沒有,我們都願意來說明。剛剛連民進黨立委都知道說要溝通,要不要這樣,老蔣這樣硬碰硬。這樣對不起人民啊,現在顯然人民還有很多疑問,對不對。立法院光是經濟委員會很多委員都有疑問啊,好不好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11屆第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具︰ |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7706.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
大庭店不算停電,准是太平嘛,你就說沒有蓋牌。媒體,所有大的媒體都說你們是蓋牌的。可是你們後來我發現,你們經濟部還發了一個《台電始終嚴格遵循國際標準進行供電的可靠度統計》。寶定,你教經濟部,你們真的都是用了國際標準進行嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
國際的這個標準同名的大家遵循的就是國際IEEE,對不對?你敢遵循這個?你等一下來,我給你看,來來來,你看一下。國際的IEEE,大家在網站上面可以看到,它的標準是什麼?它的單位是什麼?每一年一戶幾間,對不對?它的單位是不是每一年每一戶幾次? |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7737.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7764.846 |
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是不是?國際的標準它大概是兩項啦,一個是SETI一個是SETI啦。對啊,可是一般用的標準是這個嘛,你先把這個東西蓋牌啦,所以你出現大停電全部都不算停電啊。博定來來,給博定回答,博定你講一下,在平安問你啊,你說518大停電算一蓋,啊,國際要用的分母是那個耶,你現在要去做, |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7765.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7768.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
為什麼815592萬戶為什麼出來是0.553次的戶根每年?那台灣的總戶數多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7792.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7813.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：事由：審查：事由賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：事由賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：事由賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案： |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7839.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我上禮拜跟你講的,蔡英文任內平均跳電次數加上大停電是民國102年到105年2.2倍,跳電時間是2.6倍。這個圖只要把大停電放回去,這個圖有錯嗎?你們怎麼發了一個聲明說你們才是國際標準,我這個不是呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7840.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7863.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
按照這個國際標準,一一就是啊。請問湊在哪裡?標準是一致啦。標準是一致的。委員講到的停電的次數,當然停了多少戶只要超過一分鐘,台電都算。那委員在講的停電的影響的satisafing,他會看的是停電的戶數跟停電的時間。所以台電在網站上... |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7867.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7875.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
五十二萬戶跟五戶當年算出來的東西都不一樣啊!不然你現在去做獨立董事,你看到這個東西分母都弄錯的話,欸這財務報表會出狀況欸!巴委員,你在我們網上上看到就是國際上這樣算的啊!所以我們都有列出來啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7913.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
國際上這個是剛剛給你的跳回到前面一張,他的單位就是左邊這個啊,每一年每一戶每一次啊。是,我們在網上上也是這樣揭露啊。對啊,啊你們把大庭店,把815變成一次,你的戶到哪裡去了?次數的統計它是一次,但是它對在SATISFY的影響是不一樣。所以你把戶弄掉了嘛,大庭店弄掉了,所以就變成戶就沒有了嘛。沒有,815也沒有弄掉,網上上你看得到,它國際上的做法。有兩種,結果今天你要再多多,真相只有一個嘛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7914.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7919.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
國際上用的是保護放進去,你保護拿走的都是真相,來看下一張,來來來,現在還有一個大問題,你們這個,你們現在拉著,一直在講國際,來來,再來再來,來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7927.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7955.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
你們一直講,這經濟部的新聞稿對不對?是不是?這新聞稿對不對?沒錯吧?依照國際IEE1366的標準,人為的疏忽跟天災等重大的大停電事故,統計上因為離開這個群組,所以記錄沒辦法去改善。所以你講的一句話很重要,這你經濟部說的喔。國際、人民,包括韓國的韓電、日本的九州電力,都是把重大事故排除在外面。這是你寫的對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7986.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
法委員他們的做法有不同的方式啦,有些國際的電業他會納進來。你說日本九州電力跟你們是一樣的,你們用國際標準,我給你看,本席特別上了日本九州電力公司的網站,大家現在讓開,大家現在剪進電腦上去看,我給你看右下角這個,你剛才說你們的重大事故,紅胎跌宕,大庭店都沒剩, |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7987.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8014.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
右下角這個是日本九州電力的,右下角這個土地名下上面。影響的包括什麼?紅胎、地震,對不對?他們跟你一樣嗎?保衛。但是你有保證一樣嗎?你的新聞稿,你的經濟發傳新聞稿,你說我跟日本九州電力公司是一樣的。我現在給你看,日本九州電力公司跟你就是不一樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8015.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8017.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
你看九州電力公司多麼誠實。颱風、地震、重大的事故有影響。你看人家說2022年 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8047.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8067.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
他們停電的時間每年每戶多少時間?115分鐘幾次?0.15包括電力颱風都有影響來來來我再給你看下一張可是你看左邊是人家日本的九州的現在這邊是你們台電的你們台電目前呈現的是這一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8068.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8094.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
你跟他有一樣嗎?你們把大庭店蓋掉了嘛,所以你跟人家不一樣,結果你還是拉人家說日本九州電力,欸,日本九州電力公司會不會來抗議啊?委員,巴委員,我們在網上上其實所有的數字都有公布啦。欸,有啦,你們弄一個小小小小,然後你就用右邊這一張嘛。那個字體也沒有比較小啦,委員,都是一樣的字體啦。這大家都可以公平,小的非常多,而且你們新聞稿都在強調右邊這個啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8095.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8119.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你們都是大停電、不算停電以後的啊。來啦來啦,我們用比較理性、務實的。我都給你看這個數據對不對。我拿的都是你們台電的資料跟人家日本九州的清清楚楚啊。這都是真的嘛對不對。來,看後一張。真正的圖應該這樣啦。對面是你們台電自己做的。你如果真的要跟日本的九州電力一樣,你這兩個圖都要改成右邊這個啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8125.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
五、中小企業發展條例四、中小企業發展條例五、中小企業發展條例六、中小企業發展條例七、中小企業發展條例八、中小企業發展條例九、中小企業發展條例十。 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8144.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11屆第12條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8170.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8182.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那你單一的個別的事故的那個部分確實是發生了可是你這個趨勢是要告訴說每年的努力在電網韌性在設備的更新上有沒有進步也不是說蓋掉因為他那個的人為操作因為這個也是我們參考國際上我把這個圖送給台電啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8195.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8215.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你們至少把這個右邊這個圖放上去好不好。你們現在都要跟你講,你給民眾看的那左邊,欸,多好多好,然後次數多少,時間是,都是變好的。那事實上就,就電力的韌性。他這邊有個高峰起來對不對,當然109年又有高峰起來,你就是把這四次的大停電把它放上去,學人家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8215.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8243.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
閱讀者:「日本九州電力的好不好,不要弄到日本九州都要來看。」閱讀者:「那再請行政部門的話。」閱讀者:「抱歉抱歉我最後做個結論,我們看後面這個。」閱讀者:「好所以,你的新聞稿經濟部新聞局黃色這地方。」閱讀者:「國際上如韓國韓電日本九州電力等都重大事故也沒有呈現在他網站上面。」閱讀者:「你要跟人家道歉欸,人家有呈現對不對,有沒有。」閱讀者:「我剛給他看看有沒有呈現,你說沒有。」 |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8251.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
你們要不要跟人家道歉啊?這兩個問題耶!我們再確認一下,因為我們看的是他年度的報告,那這個剛才委員講,我們再回去看一下他放的位置。我聽說這不是內部啦,這是你們報告的?你們報告的新聞稿勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8264.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8270.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
你們發這個新聞稿是要否認我上禮拜講的我上禮拜的東西依據你們的數據所以完全你都承認嘛沒有錯嘛對不對第一個我現在是講兩個很重要的問題你講人家日本九州 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8280.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8280.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
閱讀委員會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8298.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8299.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
接下來我們請呂毅林委員請做詢答,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8333.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8335.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
謝謝主席 請王部長我們請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8343.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8364.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
市長,今天我們經濟委員會特別排了中小企業的發展條例的修正,因為我們看到整個我們中小企業的低薪問題非常的嚴重,尤其昨天是五一勞動節,我們也看到我們中小企業的白皮書上在2022年的台灣中小企業就有一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8364.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8391.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8391.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8407.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
полне相差一萬元。這是我們必須要來調整加薪減稅,這是刻不容緩的。我們尤其是在本席在去年的時候特別對於中小企業發展條例的三十六條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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Judge 3 提出了這些建議,就是說在連續6個月的失業率要達到3.78%,這一項我們看到你們這一次也特別在這個前提之下, |
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部長,你們準備好加強宣導,那未來會大概增加多少加來申請呢? |
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是,那在我們這個加強宣導確實是一個很重要的一個配套。那這個我們一定會跟財政部一起來讓這個更多的中小企業知道這個好的措施。我們預估在修改之後那個新顧的這個部分呢可以增加這個331家然後有這個3900人的適用。那這個的稅務財稅的減損呢可以有7億多的這樣的一個 |
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賴芷芷議員 |
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adequate 總處在111年的統計收入裡面來看,未滿30歲的話大概在53.6萬,30到34歲的話在69.2萬。這個情形看了差距上,我們是不是可以提高年齡層,不要在24歲以下,24歲還在讀書,是不是應該在30歲以下提高這個年齡? |
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他們三十歲以下還是年輕人啦,但不准能夠多聘用年輕人。二十四歲還在讀書啦,所以我們建議你們可以研議一下提高到三十歲以下好不好。 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12條之二條文修正草案．立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案． |
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厲法院有監督行政單位我們的決議你並沒有辦法去尊重去執行的話那這樣子不是就是擺爛嗎? |
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因為這個按照現在的電影法規定那確實我們的這個審議會也審議通過那4月1號也開始執行所以就這個相關的規範來講我們確實也應該因為我們立法代表民意的代表民意的代表就反映民意民意都需要我們政府能苦民所苦所以我們動掌了店家做出了決議我們行政權被你們這個行政單位來踐踏了 |
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事實上我們這一次的挑戰已經做了這個非常的限縮,所以我們在今天也會需要越來越加預算。 |
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接下來我要跟你討論的就是部長在今年的3月22號特別我們桃園市政府針對於廢紙這三家SRF發電廠的這個廠商包括是我們的立方跟我們的柯林衛跟立江這三家進駐到桃園科技工業園區這個是我們經濟部 |
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adequate因為你們收回了推薦函所以我們師傅才會做出這個決定那這三家的SRF的專案入園就已經不完備了所以同時也表示廠商未來有可能會提出行政的救濟也就是訴訟來跟你對駁公堂那但是這一切的爭議起源的就是經濟部你的推薦函部長你師傅還有印象這三家 |
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短短短短短 |
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那因為在當時的部分我們是告訴桃園市政府說入園的許可是按照桃園市的相關的規範那經濟部是推薦那像委員講的這個是推薦那他沒有一個拘束力那所以在這個部分我們是認為讓這個事業廢棄物可以好好的來用所以我們經濟部的立場環境部的立場我們當然是推薦 |
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所以部長你的意思是說沒有法律效力沒有法律效力你幹嘛多此一舉來送這個推薦函還有政策的表述呢?那因為在當時討論的過程當中對於SRF的相關的這個效益的部分那確實我們有開會討論那認為這樣的除了去化四月廢棄物種它事實上也減少相關的污染那對於這個SRF |
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bicyn 其實是一個比較好的方式,讓整個沒有經過打包的事業會自然保持好的。 |
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而且這三家的入園許可跟前面兩家的建造還有它的排放權都是在鄭文燦時代一手促成的張上正一上任之後才會擋下第三家的這個建造而且最重要的是鄭文燦一開始是不同意的他不同意的話經發局那時候三家經發局在2018年2019年的時候都陸續發函給桃園市政府是否可以入園當時的市政府的經發局特別說 |
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最重要的是還有能源警發給他們的再生能源的發電設備同意備案的文件也就是這個設備的建造是同意的這個最後還在你12月23號的這場會議中也決議要核發給這個備案同意的這個文件給這個廠商所以市政府是被動同意的 |
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應該不能這樣講齁就是說對能源局來講他有沒有符合這個SRF的相關的證照這個是我們本來中央局管就要去決定的那至於我們按照相關的現在再生能源法的規定按照環境部他對SRF要求的這個能效的部分我們是來做確認他有沒有符合告訴桃園市政府說這個這一些的部分按照中央的規範可不可 |
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賴士葆等19人擬具〈中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案案〉案。 |
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所以現在因為是民意反彈、民意不等支持,因為有污染的餘力,所以臺北市政府現在才把他擋下來。那你們現在還一直發言說,如果說沒有參考的、必要性的話,那我就收回這個推薦函,就不用再表述了,不用再參考了,而且你讓他們 |
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自請來就決定這不是甩鍋啊當時不是你的專案會議你為什麼拍專案會議呢?還推薦函呢?農業局還要發給他們的建造呢?所以請現在廠商他未來可能會提出訴訟也請我們的經濟部你們要承擔下來這個責任不要讓我們的觀音人、桃園人來為你錯誤的能源政策來買單 |
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請楊瓊英召委質詢。 |
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議員主席 |
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adequate成功的這個軌道繼續來支持我們的中小企業那你拼命的點頭所以我們繼續來討論我們也知道受僱人員的報酬率GDP的比例1990年是51.04那之後的規模他就不斷的在縮小顯示勞動者在經濟成長果實的分享他的比重是一直在萎縮你同意這個論點嗎 |
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這個其實是跟整個國家的發展的狀態有一點不太一樣好,有一點不太一樣我就要告訴你我們一直在說不管是我們經濟部的預算、工業局的預算相關中小企業我們要多分配用分配兩個字其實是對中小企業是非常的不禮貌但是我們已經卑微的要求要好好的照顧中小企業你應該可以認同這個觀念吧 |
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所以我們也根據主計總署的失業率的這個資料我們看到年齡結構來看年齡在24歲以下的失業率是第一名最高 |
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那其次是25到29歲那你為了要怎麼樣有效的來降低年輕人的失業率協助年輕人協助企業所以我們理當要從根源開始你認不認同這個觀念這就是為什麼我們對24歲以下覺得要給他加成減除的原因好加成減除到目前為止給你的答案就是如此還是這麼嚴重第一名還是一樣是24歲 |
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第二名還是一樣是25到29歲表示你的政策是有調整的必要你認不認同啊?要不要調整?要不要調整?要不要調整?要不要調整?對,要不要調整? |
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我們尊重委員的意見,但是我們...尊重我們的意見,那你就是要調整啊!因為我們授權給行政部門在做,但是答案是達不到人民的需求啊!那行政部門應該是有為啊!有為什麼?有為去調整你的政策!同不同意這樣的觀念?我們等一下討論的時候,會跟委員在做說明。當你的KPI達不到的時候,也不滿意的時候,那你要不要調整你的政策方向? |
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要不要調整?要不要調整? |
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因為你如果都不調整,那我們就不用談啊。你如果要調整,我們好好來談。這是一個觀念的問題。再一次請教,當你的KPI達不到社會上的需求的時候,我們要不要就目前的政策來做調整?請教部長。 |
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請教部長要不要?請教部長要不要?有沒有討論的空間?有沒有討論的空間?請問有沒有討論的空間? |
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我們等下討論再說明。1990年是多少? |
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我們GDP的比重攀升至29.82021年36.4所以我一再強調我們經濟得到的果實的比重分享在勞工它是越來越萎縮所以我剛剛也說了24歲以下是失業率全國第一名24到29是失業率第二名我們沒有理由不去照顧這些人所以本席要請教我們中小企業的加薪 |
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adequ.增加僱用年輕的勞工所以本期提出了中小企業的人才培訓品牌發展健全會計制度等也就是在我們的三十六條之二跟三十六條之四我請你來支持好不好我請你來支持好不好你把中小企業顧好他才能夠去照顧去加薪他的員工嘛 |
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可不可以?好不好?三十六條之四的部分剛才財政部有做詳細的說明那這個部分是不是在主條討論的時候我們再進一步詳細的說明?部長因為我們待會會主條討論大家都知道但是呢我還是希望你朝著這個方向來協助我們的企業協助我們真正的這個 |
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這個年輕朋友怎麼樣讓他們失業率不要那麼強?本席現在告訴你的是我們先把觀念,如果你的觀念是矢口不換,如果你的觀念是不更改的,那從而討論。 |
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所以我還是希望聽到到目前的狀況以及目前的政策是有討論的空間有沒有是我們等一下可以主條來討論是好可以討論那我們待會主條討論接下來本期要請教你4月30號電價4月1號起平均的調漲11%平均調漲11%那立法院通過了停止調漲的決議你會不會停止調漲會不會暫緩調漲會不會 |
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會不會?會不會?這跟中小企業也很相關喔!你連330度以下你都漲了喔!請教!會不會?會不會調漲?目前的電價調漲是已經在施行了。那你立法院通過,那你會不會調漲? |
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我們還是要按照法律來執行。我們還是要按照法律來執行。我們還是要按照法律來執行。我們還是要按照法律來執行。我們還是要按照法律來執行。我們還是要按照法律來執行。 |
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會不會同意?如果問我個人,我是覺得這不是一個好的方式啦。那你有什麼方式?民眾苦民所苦這麼苦,你有什麼方式?全國的民眾到目前為止,行政院撥補一千億,也是人民的納稅錢啊。那民眾這麼苦了,左手也我們的納稅錢,右手也漲我們的價。你叫民眾怎麼生活? |
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所以你如果...那你不是好的方法我請問你還有什麼好的方法可以協助我們你如果不讓他這樣事實上是反而是用政府的經費會去撥補更大的大用戶的...部長你現在的說法沒有解決問題的方向你只有在對幹我沒有解...我沒有不解決你只有在跟民意對幹 |
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我告訴你本期已經告訴你能夠健全啊所以我們可以有更迂迴的共同討論你同不同意來討論我們都可以是都可以啊因為你一直說依法嘛你一直說依法所以依法我們就給你一個有所本的依法你同不同意可以多一點討論空間同不同意委員要怎麼樣的資料什麼我們都同意但是 |
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為什麼我要什麼資料?我跟你在討論!電駕審議之後可以有更廣廣的空間將民意納入!可不可以?可不可以?你也對不起我們台電的員工!我們整個電力! |
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要怎麼樣能信電網去調整我們的能源政策要怎麼樣去調整你們到目前為止光光依你們的方式KPI是達不到的達不到的時候本來就是啊你達不到我們要怎麼樣去討論啊你們還是堅持你們的目前的狀態就苦了老百姓就苦了老百姓怎麼辦部長我還是苦口婆心的告訴你 |
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今天我們的中小企業產業如果撐不住,臺灣不知道會呈現什麼樣的樣態。就是我本期非常的憂心,民眾這麼痛苦,只有請你緩漲,暫緩漲。 |
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你還是不願意,你告訴我們有所本,我們也幫你有所本。敬請你支持,讓我們的民眾可以好好生活,讓我們的產業可以好好的去蓬勃發展,好嗎? |
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謝謝接下來我們請蔡議委員請做這個詢答那我們因為中場不休息那我們中午12點也不休息所以敬請各位這個行政部門所有的這個人員如果有必須要去這個托類的那請自行謝謝來蔡議委員 |
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謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們經濟部,我們部長。好,我們再請部長。還有我們財政部的次長。我們再請財政部次長。 |
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好 委員好部長好部長我們今天在討論針對這個中小企業那延長他們的租稅優惠那我們主要的一個重點就是在徵僱員工那針對他的一個24歲以下的青年員工或者是徵僱45歲以上中高齡的員工的話那我們就會提高這個租稅優惠從過去的130% |
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bicyn 將近五千萬的一個稅損。五千萬的稅損,但是他創造的就是給不管是青年勞工的就業嘛,或45歲以上的一個就業。所以這樣的稅損,基本上我們認為說為了獎勵中小企業,所以政府等於是少了這一塊的收入,因為有這個費用,這個加成嘛。少了這樣的一個,他們的創造的效果是更好的。 |
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是。部長您的判斷是這樣嗎?對沒錯。那我再具體建議齁那如果是這樣的情況之下有沒有可能我們再增加一個級距也就是說你只要增僱65歲以上 |
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就是說65歲以上照理這一群人是已經退休也不用限65歲就是說已退休者那我們再把他徵雇回來工作那徵雇回來工作這主要有一個好處就是說你看他回來他退休金是可以繼續領但是他可以繼續提供工作那企業勒要必須提撥6% |
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好,那這個就兩個部分啦齁。一個就是在台灣65歲以上還繼續在工作,這是一個齁。那這一次的修法是針對說,像委員講的,如果把65歲已經沒有在工作,把它回聘回來的這個部分。那我們去看統計就是65歲以上再回來工作的占比非常低。 |
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所以這個部分我們評估是有增加一個級距的話事實上那個效益不是很顯著那反而我們去了解的情形就是說45歲甚至到55歲這個期間如果是要被新聘或者是徵聘這個部分效益是比較高的所以部長我要問一下就是說我們現在的規定是徵聘45歲以上那他指的是說他還沒有到退休年齡 |
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對,都可以,只要是你這個企業你去徵聘一個都可以,那如果是已經退休的呢?也可以,都可以所以本來這個45歲以上就包括我講的65歲以上你把他徵聘回來我們一樣是有這個150的一個稅捐優惠所以我剛才說的意思是這樣那如果這樣我們再加一個級距如果你徵聘的是65歲以上 |
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那徵聘人是65歲以上或者是已退休的人,那可能是不是這個費用加成讓他再卓度再往上提高。那增加誘因,剛剛講的是說65歲回來工作的是少的,那可能是誘因不足嘛。如果企業可以針對這樣65歲以上又適合他們可以工作的, |
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賴主席賴主席 |
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bicyC. |
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我知道,那大概就是一個月補助一萬五左右嘛。那現在看起來是65歲以上再回來的那個比例比較少,確實比較少。 bicyC. |
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還是很少,就是說縱使現在勞動部有開放這樣的補助,退休就退休,沒想到都要做了,沒關係,至少我們這個45歲以上, |
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那我再問下一個 |
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我們知道因為這幾年來這一個企業之間的一個調薪的一個幅度那大概這幾年都有提高首先是我們政府我們政府也有帶頭包括公務員包括國運事業事實上都有在做調薪所以公部門有帶頭那企業之間也有逐步在做這樣的一個調薪但是我們看到這個調薪的幅度 |
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事實上差不多都是3%左右很難有比較更漂亮的一個數字說我們今年對員工的調薪有比較大幅度的提高所以事實上像在日本或者是韓國他們在面對第一提高基本工資但是提高基本工資的措施之後日本跟韓國他們就會採取第一個是租稅優惠 |
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你看日本、韓國都有租稅優惠。租稅優惠我們今天在討論這個中小企業大概也是朝向租稅優惠。但是日本、日韓他們又有另外叫做現金補貼的部分。現金補貼就針對他們的正式勞工提高的薪資的部分,政府就直接給你薪資補貼。 |
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另外的一個補貼,未必叫做薪資補貼,它可能會用其他的方式來做補貼。經濟部我們有考慮說為了再把勞工的薪資的提高,以及在我們知道現在貧富差距事實上也有在擴大的趨勢,為了這樣我們可以針對為了鼓勵企業提升員工的薪水,讓我們給他直接的補貼制度嗎? |
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目前台灣是沒有就薪資的部分來直接補貼但是政府在對中小企業部分有各式各樣的一個協助包括相關的補助也好還有專案的一個協助也好等等那所以台灣的方式是比較從這個能夠提升他的中小企業的這個轉型升級從這個角度是非常多的經費在協助 |
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是啦,當然我們面相這麼多行啦吼,所以也不會說剛剛我講了只有租稅優惠,但是我總是說的吼, |
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補貼制度還是有它的一個優勢在,因為第一,清澈。對企業來說,他會很清楚的知道說,我只要每天加薪水,政府會給我那樣的現金的補助,那對我的誘因就更大了。 |
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大概經濟部這邊要給個鼓勵,那我想請教一下部長,那你接下來怎麼看第二、第三、第四季,我們未來的一個發展呢? |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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adequacy因為AI的這個部分帶動了臺灣不僅是半導體還有伺服器還有相關的供應鏈確實有帶動對出口有很好的加值那不過在其他的傳統的產業部分我們還是會努力來協助傳統產業的增長那這個部分我們都樂觀但是我們省慎來因應 |
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好,那我想就要加油啦。我們第一季的大概還有高於南韓跟新加坡,都高了他們將近一個百分點以上。所以我想這個第一季的表現我們台灣很突出。我們希望這個今年都可以保持這樣的一個好表現。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請洪孟凱委員請做選擇。謝謝。 |
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昨天5月1日勞動節,今天馬上感謝早委就排審,我們希望能夠加薪減稅。我覺得經濟部長這邊來 |
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議論能夠為經濟發展來實際的回饋到勞工的部分我覺得這是有意義跟有代表性的那不過呢在今年本來預計5月19日落日的這個法案我們現在也希望是說能夠展延10年可是過去到現在其實大家一直強調的是說提出這樣的政策誘因是不是不足而導致於說沒有辦法有很大的一個這個量能那現在我們也看到是說有要再提升可是提升的部分 |
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觀眾謙虛 |
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我不知道是勞動部有沒有給你正確的一個資訊或是說你們部會裡面溝通因為我在衛黃委員會問勞動部啊勞動部部長一直把這個高齡再進入等於是所謂的壯世代的這個勞工人力啊當成是一個解方之一啊就希望是說我們能夠來希望能夠這些高齡者或是說這個退休者能夠再進入企業能夠來解決缺工的問題否則的話現在缺工問題有多少人部長知道嗎 |
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確實各個行業都有提到這個困擾。確實啊。衛環委員會勞動部部長親口講現在缺工的人數差不多30萬到40萬全台灣各行業那如果說缺工的話你就沒有辦法有經濟活絡嘛因為畢竟工的部分是一個很重要的一個動力那我們現在在講如果說以針對現在的這一個行政院的版本也就是經濟部的版本這個150%的部分會不會還是誘因不足? |
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在這個勞動部還有我們看到的數據其實去鼓勵那個45歲以上其實是非常好的一個部分讓他因為我們也聽到45歲他要重新再就業常常碰到這個困擾但是65歲以上第一個像委員講勞動部確實現在就有補助了他不需要用這個 |
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五十五歲到七十我覺得都還是算是一個健康的一個狀態。更不用講是說我們講到現在其實退休年齡他還是切有很多是五十五歲以上就開始在退休生活了。對那如果就這裡的這個加成減除的這個金額跟財政勞動部那邊直接給這個一萬塊的這個補貼來講 |
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adequ. |
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實際上那個金額還比較多,那所以我們看到是說即使給這樣的一個……希望有誘因。部長,如果說本席這邊在講是說有沒有可能在針對極具的部分,就是說45,你現在講的是45歲以上,但是我們現在講到是你們的版本只有150嗎? |
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賴主席 |
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問一下你的態度因為本時有看到現在G7七大工業國他們發表他說2035年逐步淘汰藍莓發電甚至報導講說是這是COP28 |
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以來最大的創舉2035年七大工業國已經宣誓要淘汰藍煤發電那我們現在台灣2025非核家園之後八成都是火力發電那還有G7這一次有特別提到不再發表反核的言論也認為核能是乾淨的能源部長您怎麼看? |
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第一個就這個煤的部分這是為什麼我們一直在講增氣減煤希望能夠我們做得到嗎2035年那第二個我們做不做得到2035年我們也淘汰燃煤在2035年的時候事實上我們大部分的燃煤機組我們確實都會把它提早除役那大概應該剩下這個林口的就剩下本席現在所居住的地方林口火力發電廠三部機組燃煤發電 |
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因為委員也很清楚我們超超臨界第一個這個確實是比較新的機組這個是比較新的機組那第二個這個機組的這個公務的改善藍媒就是藍媒現在我想七大工業國也沒有哪一個國家他們不是用這種比較新的機組但是他們現在已經正式的宣示宣戰淘汰藍媒發電 |
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стати.2035年逐步落實藍莓發電的淘汰,不再用藍莓發電。台灣,你剛剛講了,2035年到了之後只剩林口火力發電廠還是藍莓發電?會不會變成是說現在我們跟不上世界的趨勢?有沒有檢討的空間?部長,你只剩十幾天就在這個任期上了。我不希望你還是用這種政治意識形態。 |
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本席強調因為當然這個是要跟之後再討論本席今天提出來因為這個是最新的G7的這個發表你有看到嗎? |
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他發表其實就兩大重點阿2035淘汰藍莓發電以及宣示核能不再反核宣示核能是乾淨的電乾淨的能源來源他說不要再去提出反核的意見啦齁那他這個是他們做出來的決議那因為在G7我們的理解因為包括德國等等的那他們就是做成一個共同決議那這個是G7的一個決議我們也看到了是 |
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所以你認同他們的決議嗎?這是G7的決議我們當然會注意各國的發展的情形。經濟部長當然七大工業國七大工業國發表聯合發表的一個宣誓那我們的經濟部長認不認同這七大工業國的方向? |
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議長,世界的趨勢,為什麼我那麼的重視 |
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就是因為我們都生活在地球村。大爺講COP26、28這樣子一路下來為什麼世界現在全世界大家一起要對抗這所謂的這個溫室效益。2050精靈碳排就是認為是說這環境破壞的是不可逆的也因此人類都在思考怎麼樣維持現有的生活力下還可以降低對環境的衝擊。能源是選擇我再次強調一而再再上我都強調 |
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每個人都要用電所以每個人都要負責,能源是選擇。所以我們現在的選擇都會取決於我們對於環境的破壞以及對於下一代子孫留下什麼環境給子孫。既然人家已經宣示了2035有停止藍莓、淘汰藍莓,我們當然應該要去重視,當然應該要去規劃。另外我們也認為現在核能已經被七大工業國認為說它不再反核,認為核能是乾淨的能源,我們也應該要尊重世界的潮流,這是趨勢。 |
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這也應該是我們專業的文官的判斷,不要再用政治意識形態綁住我們自己的手跟腳。我想這是我給經濟部、同仁所有的忠告,謝謝。好,謝謝。那接下來齁,我們先休息兩分鐘,因為那個...好,我們休息兩分鐘,因為他從一早... |
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則三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。」案。則三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。 |
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而三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。而四、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。而五、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。而六、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。而七、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。而八、本院委員賴 |
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議員議員議員 |
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我們待會要堅持,要200多天,開玩笑。 |
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二、本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查： |
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好來我們繼續開會請邱志維委員謝謝主委有請經濟部王部長我們請部長 |
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電價計費公示和電價費率審議委員會是什麼時候決定要成立? |
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是這個那個店家的審議委員會是在事實上是之前立法院有要求要成立這樣的2015年在第8屆的時候第8屆是誰執政啊?第8屆是2015年是誰執政?馬總統的時候馬總統執政那國會是誰是多數黨?當然是國民黨嘛對不對那是本期第一屆的時候 |
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大概民黨只有40席,所以絕大多數全部是國民黨。所以2015年1月20號,就是在第8屆第6會議,決議要通過電價計費公示,而且要成立電價費率委員會,電價費率審議會。這是國民黨時代決定要成立,對不對? |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．事由．審查．議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．事由．審查．議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．事由．審查．議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案．事由．審查．議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展 |
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在把它入法在2017年的時候,修電力法49條,把這個所謂電價費率審議委員會把它法制化嘛,對不對?這個是按照2015年1月20號第18屆第6會期第18次會議的決議,才把這個所謂電價費率審議委員會把它法制化嘛,對不對? |
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國民黨自己主張要把這個店家審議把它制度化。那當時為什麼不直接把它修到說留國會同意就好?換了位置、換了腦袋。做一個部長齁,先讓我念給你聽。心啊!矩陣啊!先念給你聽齁。這邪魔不入。邪魔到處都是。 |
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為己﹑為個人利益﹑為政黨之私﹑挽顧國家的法治﹑挽顧之前所做的這些承諾﹑所做的之前﹑自己所答應做的事情﹑自己所做過的事情﹑可以全盤否定。這就是邪魔。作為行政部門的主管,你對你的這個政策跟法律,你在捍衛到底。 |
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不是不能修,但是當時是誰制定的?是馬英九時代,國民黨執政的時候,國會是國民黨在多數時候所通過的決議。他現在把說這個審議委員會的決議無效,必須要再修法,要禁錮二讀,把他送來立法院,禁錮國會的同意。那政府由立法院來當就好啦。 |
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莫名其妙,這個大約國會議員自然是自己所做出的什麼事情,這個政黨之前所做的什麼事情,完全在他這個為了逢綠必反,逢中必暖。這種政黨啊,這樣讓人家覺得很看不起。今天討論一下 |
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這個我們的經濟成長是贏韓國,但薪資成長是輸給韓國。是有原因的,我們也輸給通膨。央行有建議啊,應該比照日韓的提升薪資的對策,我們看日韓怎麼提升。從這個補貼、從這個稅務去處理。稅務的話要請財政部,請次長。 |
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我們的服務業以中小企業為主。薪酬制度當然不比南韓市以大企業為主完善,這基本上我們的這個體制上的問題。基本公司的調漲幅度遠低於南韓,我們用南韓做比較。我們沒有辦法超越他,我們就起碼可以把他們好的地方可以學習嘛。所以央行的建議說,你要提高基本公司,提高我國勞動的份額,這點很重要。 |
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這是經濟部的工作,也是勞動部的工作。透過租稅約會來鼓勵中小企業加薪。來問一下市長。 |
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你們現行有哪些注射優惠可以明顯的提供很大的誘因讓中小企業願意把員工加薪?目前就是我們今天討論的中小企業發展條例。這樣子如果按照今天你們的這個版本或者委員提案版本通過我看過版本大同小異的這樣子中小企業就有強烈的誘因可以願意為員工加薪嗎? |
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當然這個租稅優惠是其中一個誘因,但是因為中小企業要替員工加薪,其實還有一些他自己本身企業的考慮。因為第一個就是企業本身有沒有賺錢,他如果沒有賺錢他當然不會加薪。第二個就是說他繳的稅負到底高不高,如果他繳的稅很輕的話,那因為要適用這樣一個租稅優惠,他可能必須要準備相關的資料,或者是說需要有一個申請的程序,他也許會考慮說需不需要去提出這樣一個申請。 |
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所以現在是低薪的問題,這低薪問題造成說衍生了很多後續性的問題,你就沒有辦法去買房,你就沒有辦法去結婚生子,因為經濟條件不夠嘛,就變少子化,少子化也是間接因為低薪所造成的。 |
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所以,韓國的經驗值得我們去學習,除了租稅優惠之外,你政策也可以去補貼,可以現金來補貼。用國家武神去補貼就是中小企業。王部長,你有同意嗎? |
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我們比較多的是用這個相關的鼓勵他來這個比如說升級轉型提高他的這個讓企業的這個變好了以後那個太抽象了你就是專款專用那個他會用很多的名目去去規避他的責任但是他享受到政府的補貼但是他不會去去負他的該負的責任他負的責任就是要為員工加薪 |
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但是你的,像剛才次長講,你的產業的體質好有賺錢了以後,相對的長遠來講,它的加薪的這樣的本錢才會存在。 |
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低薪問題要當國安問題來處理,因為提了很多解方,做了很多的事情,政策也不斷提出來,也花了很多預算,但是卻沒有辦法有效讓這個年輕人覺得他們薪水是值得他們投入的。現在薪水比我30年前出就業的時候是差不多,你只要加上通膨的效果, |
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特別是以中小企業為主所以這幫助於國安問題你要窮盡政府的所有的資源跟力量對大企業補貼還不如拿對中小企業的補貼幫他補貼直接用在對員工的加薪這樣年輕人才有感如果他一個月只領到三萬五如果這個新鮮人的話一三萬五你扣掉房租什麼的通膨 |
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恐怕他沒有能力去購屋,他沒有能力去結婚生子。要比韓國、比日本只要查經濟。所以我不是覺得應該用行政院的高度,要提出一個怎麼樣去解決青年低薪問題的一個對策委員會。從行政院的層級來去解決問題,而不是說跨部會各自提出政策跟主張,就沒有去整合。這個效果是有限的。 |
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主席好各位官員各位委員大家早安我們是有請部長 |
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我們再請王部長,謝謝。好,謝謝部長。其實今天我們來討論這個《中小企業發展條例加薪減稅修法》的一個草案,我覺得非常有意義。因為我本身也是年輕人,也是一位會計師。過去長期以來,台灣這個低薪問題的確影響到非常年輕人,所以我這邊還是要拜託部長, |
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議員柯志恩 |
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則陸長,針對我們今天,當然今天這不在修法的內容裡面,針對這個中小企業發展條例三十六條之二第二項裡面有提到,痘號後面有提到,得救非因法定最低工資調整而增加支付本國現職基層員工的這個部分, |
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那本席在這邊會認為說如果這個法令有這樣子去修代表的是不是說如果政府有條基本工資的話那政府的企業在加薪的這個部分就不能再抵稅150%的範圍是嗎? |
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就是他的加薪的,他的加薪不可以是因為政府的這個基本工資的調升而都算在內,指的是這個意思。對,所以我跟部長的想法是一致的齁,所以這邊就有拜託部長齁,其實我認為喔,過去以來就是因為這個加薪減稅的條例有的誘因不足喔,所以這個 |
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就是不要說只要企業的企業主有幫員工年輕人不管是24歲以下或者是45歲以上有幫他加薪就好不要再讓他抵稅的部分的那個額度能再降低我認為這是稅負只有一點點可是讓這個不管是鼓勵企業主或鼓勵員工這部分是不是部長可以來考慮一下 |
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就是不要讓企業有種穿小鞋,不然未來我們都希望這個法定的基本地利工資可以調越高越好,可是如果這樣的話企業減稅優先就減少了,那這樣會不會有一點讓企業穿小鞋有點本末倒置?部長,拜託你回答一下。但是這一個部分其實是要希望這個企業主在基本工資之外再多加薪。沒錯沒錯,我們都希望說大家多加薪,是不是說不要這一塊,如果基本工資有調高的這一部分,是不是不要讓這個底稅的部分 |
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好,謝謝部長。那這邊我要請教一個大家比較特別的,當然台灣都在推廣運動啦,那這我不知道部長可不可以回答。尤其就在我們台灣常常這個幫企業減稅的部分,常常給企業穿小鞋。在運動發展條例裡面有一個規定是1500萬以上。 |
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如果捐贈到1500萬以上捐贈的企業可以抵150%的稅負在這裡面也有一個讓企業穿小鞋的部分就是說在抵稅超過1500萬以上的部分抵稅的這個金額需要把它放在這個所得基本稅額裡面來去做一個試算如果超過的部分還要補繳12%的稅所以讓這些大型企業覺得說那我這樣你讓我口上說讓我抵這個20% |
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可是事實上在基本所得稅額裡面又說只抵讓我要補繳12%的稅只能抵8%所以我認為說很多政府利益良善的部分不要讓企業穿小鞋而且讓他們這個抵稅誘因下降是不是請部長回答還是你要請 |
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對,是不是請財政部回答?這個放在申報書其他的部分啦,很奇怪。報告委員,基本上是這樣子,因為我們現在就是有那個所謂最低稅負制這個制度主要就是希望就是說企業或個人不要因為過度享受太多的租稅優惠而 |
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就是因為這樣的條例你有沒有跟企業去溝通一下就是這樣子的問題讓企業覺得有在幫這個政府租稅誘因有讓企業覺得說不是這麼的大方會降低他們捐贈的一個鼓勵運動的一個意願是不是所以請政事這邊是不是去訪查一下民意是不是這一條在申報書的部分把它拿掉參考一下好不好因為一直來講我們今天在討論這麼多的問題就是誘因不足 |
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剛剛我講的這兩點就是企業跟民間要徵稅的一個感覺啦,好不好?是,委員我們可以把,我們因為這個教育部有統計資料,我們其實可以去了解一下他們事實上目前捐贈的狀況,也讓委員了解一下,提供給委員參考。好,再拜託一下,好那最後再拜託主席最後一分鐘的時間齁。那今天我們國民黨的這個黨團的提出來齁,因為跟部長請教齁,因為今天就是要誘因不足啊, |
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所以我們把這個原本可以減稅的部分從130%調到150,原本的不是調到150嗎?那本檔呢是調到200,請部長回答你認為調到150了以後,能申請的企業會比原本的增加多少? |
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有,我們這個有做一個相關的這個研究齁,那如果調到150以後呢,大概在增僱的部分可以大概接近4000人啦齁,那在加薪的部分大概有這個5800多人可以來利用這個新的制度,是。 |
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感謝部長,因為我自己手上有一篇資料相當讓我壓抑,過去105年的時候就196個人來做申請,那剛剛部長特別講出來只要增加到150其實就有大幅度的成長,所以國民黨黨團為了幫助年輕人,24歲以下年輕人以及45上的這個未來不管是這個青壯代時代的人,我們本黨團提出200%就是需要說部長我們可以經濟求精好又更再好, |
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所以拜託我們不分黨派,各位官員我們今天一起來努力推動。以上,謝謝。請鍾嘉斌委員質詢。 |
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主席在場的委員先進,略席的政府機關首長官員。有沒有聲音啊?會場工作夥伴?有齁?那記者沒聽你們先生。好,那有請王部長和高副主委以及...請王部長、高副主委。 |
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三位傑出的女性閣員我今天的標題就是加薪調降營所稅中小企業無意願小店寬減營業稅創業青年接受惠橫批杯水車薪啊為什麼這樣說呢你看一看現在你們的條文我還記得部長你的報告裡面寫我們目前有中小企業有160萬家從業人員有913萬人對不對看起來推出這個方案有這麼多人受惠你認為是不是這樣 |
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呃,其實不是欸。不是喔?那我們來看一下你們的受估、受益人數。根據你們的稅市支出評估,這你們提的,要減稅嘛。你們大概每年的最高誘發可以將近兩萬人,最少呢也有兩千五百人,是八倍之多啊。相差這個高低差這麼多。那平均呢,加薪的話大概一個人可以增加一年多一點六萬,大概一個月多一千三啊。那請問什麼樣的行業、什麼樣的規模公司員工可以加到薪?你認為在你們的這個草案之下? |
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我們這個草案確實會針對中小企業就是第一個他有這個有需要繳稅而且他不是用那個擴大輸損的對對很好說得很好來次長次長理事長 |
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瓜哥說擴大疏省的財政部很明白的說中小企業當中六成的商家無意願我現在這個數字一百零二萬是指有在申報營所稅的這其中的擴大疏省就是年營業規模三千萬以下存益率大概平均六趴那其中的這六十二萬家就是剛剛部長所說的這個擴大疏省的大概意願不高為什麼二十七萬家這個獨自合夥呢年所得多少這個公司僅一趟二十六萬六啊 |
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Judge 26萬元的公司一年只支出扣掉收入扣掉支出只佔26萬6再把這些扣除而扣一扣他幾乎銀索稅不太用繳是不是這樣?次長?各位委員報告其實我們目前我是用平均來算你們給我的數字是這樣我先說明一下因為我們獨資合夥的組織目前他就不用繳一毛錢的銀索稅是嗎?好那把這個扣掉了還剩下35萬的公司組織我更嚇一跳我拿到你們的資料告訴我平均連鎖的5萬5萬 |
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adequate 公司進一趟五萬五千塊。 |
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其實呢,中小企業的平均人數大概不到6個人,5.79。這62萬家沒有什麼意願的中小企業扣一扣,有360萬的員工啊,他基本上呢,他不會受你們的方案所涵蓋啊。那我們目前多少?910萬個從業人員,王部長是不是這樣子?所以有4成的人,他在就業的人口是這個方案照顧到的,是不是這樣子? |
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財政部的事了,怎麼說呢? |
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現在我那時候不斷的跟您提出我們目前的微型企業就是月營業額小店家未達20萬的有將近52萬家免開統一發票但是呢我主張他們也全部都免稅這你知道我很熟悉這個議題現在是要8萬以上月營業額大半以外的還要課1%的營業稅那這個呢大概佔了大概30萬家 |
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好,那如果我們把小店家二十萬到五十萬營業規模的有高達六十六萬三千家那我為什麼主張稅率一趴呢?你看一看齁你們2022年的營業稅的總額是五千四百四十四億小規模營業人就最前面那五十二萬家呢只佔了三十四點七億佔我們營業稅的零點六十的貢獻度好,那這個比這個唯一現在在大人的小店家員工人數兩到五人每年如果呢你把 |
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議員柯志恩等19人發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。 |
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來你看一下齁目前這是我們GDP的分部面的統計其中住宿跟餐飲業他的受僱人數他的薪酬的占比是最高的也就是說他們的營業額大部分是支付在員工的薪水上人事成本上但是呢他的薪資是最低的其實我們講青年低薪是在低在哪裡低在這些餐飲業因為剛出來嘛還有什麼技術很多都是餐飲業甚至青年創業 |
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我完全同意那個問題。好,那針對這些人,他們才是我們真的要照顧的人,不是經濟部所管的那些台積電那些公司的受僱員工啊。好,來次長,最後是你的問題了,你的需求了。有沒有這個行動支付的優惠明年到期?是。當時這個是為什麼?誰的,哪一位行政院黨在那推動的? |
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2018年,行政院長是賴清德。但是為了鼓勵年輕人、小規模營業人導入行動之戶,年輕人很歡迎。他這樣子的話,他的實體商店,他因為這樣的關係可以得到一趴營業稅的優惠,對不對?是。青年都很歡迎、很肯定。副主委。 |
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這個政策我覺得不知道當時誰跟賴新德院長建議的財政部也被迫接受了雖然他們不是很情願但是實際的優惠青年受益很多但是明年就到期來接下來次長可不可以我們也把這樣的一個展員擴大試用給我剛剛說的20萬以上開統一發票未達50萬月營業額的特定項目的行業別尤其是餐飲業也給他一趴的一個這樣的優惠 |
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雖然我們這個制度有推動啦,但是,剛才委員長講說承受年輕人的歡迎,但是依照我們實際上就是去統計的結果,就是很多的小店家他其實使用了以後,他並沒有真正...部長,我沒想到你這麼認真說了實話。 |
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就是你們的效果其實呢,就是那個使用的比例很低啦,對。所以我才說,要調整,我只是不好意思說,你們當然用意很好,但是方向知識錯誤,不一定低啊,不一定高啊。所以我希望你們把目標調整一下,年輕人不是只有壽星、地星而已,年輕人創業的占很大的部分,這些小老闆,兩夫妻創業、加盟店, |
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他們如果能夠把這個方式轉移到對這些小公民業的,會有很大幫助。願不願意回去再度評估一下?我一直建議我們會再評估。好,謝謝。謝謝主席。請賴氏寶委員質詢。謝謝主席。 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進有請經濟部的王部長及財政部的理事長兩位長官我們來看一下這個案子原來130%是民國106年通過的對不對民國106年 |
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因為他前面有條條框框說這個條件啊要經濟到一定的條件就GDP啊要成長到多少這個細節就是是經濟不定還是財政不定我們財經兩部一起匯上去一起匯康一定要太快啦總共只有啟動兩次總共呢總共稅損多少來理事長說一下稅損多少稅損啟動兩次稅損 |
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金額...金額很有限啊...金額多少?你講一下啊!問題一下!三十六條之二...因為它有不同的項次全部加起來!我們不算!我們不算!第一項大概是兩千多...兩千多萬元然後第二項是...第二次!兩百...兩百多萬元然後三十...第三項的話是...我跟你說!叔叔啦!你都沒有加!我替你加啦!兩次加起來總共稅損八千四百萬啦! |
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從華民國的稅收每一年都是兩兆多多多多多,啊你稅損就八千多萬兩千,所以你要關心你這個中小企業為基層的勞工來加薪,都騙人的啊。一百三十七啊,結果你們兩次啟動,就是因為門檻電容高只有啟動兩次。一百零五年到現在一百一十三年,八年的時間只有啟動兩次。 |
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只有啟動兩次。我們看到那個數字,大家都知道這個數字。我們的員工的薪水佔GDP的比例,在先進國家裡面,我們說先進國家呢,我們金稅低了13%。大部分的錢都給老闆拿走了,給財團的老闆拿走了。 |
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繼承的員工分不到啊,這個看清楚,平均的員工,平均勞工,他的薪資三分之二的勞工是領不到平均薪資的。平均薪資現在四萬二,百分之六十八的人領不到。這樣子的這麼好一個所加薪的法案,就是因為財經兩部,本來我以為就財政部,原來經濟部也差一腳。 |
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你們就那個條件空空在那裡所以總共稅損八千多萬然後你們計較八千多萬然後現在還不敢再放 |
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只放一百五,你一計一百五能夠稅損多少?來來來,次長公子,如果你的一百五稅損多少?是報告委員,其實我們這次修法是很重要的一個修法,是把原來那些條件都修掉了,都刪除了。對,這是一個很大的修正。那這次修正以後,基本上我們減的稅收大概是,如果是以低推估大概是兩億左右。兩億啊!兩億而已啊,各位! |
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但是有多少人可以受惠?是算的!有多少人可以受惠?兩萬多人!好!兩億啊!各位可以這個帳都很好算的喔!稅損就是兩億! |
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我們一次把它拉到200%,了不起3億啊!所以損3億,那你說2萬人,我們可以到3萬人,為什麼不要做這樣的事情?我聽不懂啊!這個大家都一直講台灣貧富差距越來越嚴重,越來越嚴重!那麼最近的數字也是這樣子,然後再怎麼辦? |
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那就讓基層的員工有機會加薪。這麼好的一個案子,你們也願意從善如流,做一個、做一個、做一個。一百三變一百五。步調太低、太少啦。就一次到底兩百八。可以嗎?部長。 |
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謝謝委員,那等一下照個案討論的時候,我們就相關的這個暫評再去討論。 |
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bicyn 罷文其實主要是因為我們這次修法是完全無條件的,只要你加薪,微幅的加薪也可以適用,所以這個可能我們要考慮一下就是說,對,但是如果你幅度過高,是不是對那些就是說一般他即使只對企業加薪一點點,是不是要給他這麼優惠,可能要考量一下,因為這個會計程序有達到我們的政策目的啦。 |
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不是,我們不...其實這個稅收損失真的不是很大,但是我們真的覺得必須要達到它的政策效果。政策絕對有效果,200%絕對效果絕對比150%好。而且你框框拿掉了,絕對申請的人越來越多,你估兩萬。 |
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議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。 |
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但是跟委員報告去適用到這一個的部分我們有估過大概合資格可以來算的大概是二十萬家啦。二十萬家能夠多多少錢?我的算過財政部說稅損兩億變成兩百趴了不起三億四億好不好?每年去年超收三千六百多億對不對?要計較這個東西啊? |
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部長、市長真的你們要看到臺灣現在這麼扭曲的一個經濟社會所GDP發展、獨法戰結果有錢人越有錢、窮人越窮這個、這個是、這個也是一點點而已啦表示你的、我們的決心而已喔這個、老實講受惠的人也不會太多啦也不會太多他要有加薪才能夠成然後把那一堪力他再給員工加薪鼓勵他 |
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請賴瑞龍委員質詢。 |
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這季的GDP成長6.51,其實是這11季來的很好的一個成績。部長怎麼看待為什麼這樣的一個成果? |
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事實上我們原來就有預估因為確實是AI的大爆發那對台灣來講在這一塊等於是所有的晶片都是在台灣做然後非常重要是90%的伺服器跟供應鏈都是台灣提供那這個有帶動整個台灣的經濟往上趴我覺得這是非常好的 |
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所以部長也會看好整個後續的一些經濟成長率,所以這大概是一個很好的一個整個啟動起來的。那裡面其中兩個大概很重要的一個是這個揮打,一個是超微。那兩個我看之前部長也有提到就是兩大科技廠的物流中心都要來台灣來設置,那現在這個進度狀況怎麼樣? |
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他們都已經在運作了,是。特別是NVIDIA的這個物流中心,他們已經在這個遠東這個遠雄的那個經貿園區裡面已經在運作了。對,這個已經在運作了。那超微這一塊AMD的部分呢? |
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賴主席 |
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議員主席 |
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稍微的部分也有意願要來台灣來做相關的投資啦那經濟部政院有沒有跟他們怎麼樣的合作?是不是有簽署意向書或者是備忘錄的這個可能性?目前因為他已經按照我們的這個大Aplus在申請中所以就按照大Aplus相關的程序來進行就可以了所以沒有什麼樣的問題啦就按照程序來進行我們希望能夠加快幫我補充的那個 |
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報告委員目前就是正在審查中並沒有一個形式上簽一個LI的一個動作所以沒有這樣的問題所以這樣的合作上是沒有問題的就是說因為在審查這個簽LI就是在審查的這個單位來講簽LI似乎上好像在審查過程中比較不適合所以我們按程序來審查但是合作上面引進來台灣來投資是沒有問題的嗎 |
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我們會盡量能夠去跟他談一個比較好的一個條件。OK OK 好好謝謝。那部長我覺得這個未來的AI這一塊也相當重要啦所以我想這個大家都努力的在爭取但是我還是希望提醒就是說其實七成的新創事業都幾乎跟AI在做很多的應用合作但是我還是希望這些的能量上面不要有南北失衡上的問題啦齁。 |
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我們看這些都很重要,包括新創的環境,其實世界競爭力台灣也進到第六,在全球的新創生態系的排名也到了24。都很好成績,包括賴總統也一直在講創新創業雨林生態系的問題。 |
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但是我們來看一下整個從中小企業跟新創事業的這個分佈來看臺北市大概3410加數新北市1017高雄565臺南313其實還是很明顯的北跟南之間也存在的相當落差高雄跟臺南加起來還不到新北更不要講遠遠落後臺北市 |
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那我是覺得這一塊還是要請部長跟市長、署長都要大力來支持讓南部的這一塊的中小企業或者新創事業的一些的這個發展能夠更加的順暢。甚至剛剛也提到了像輝達的部分也在 |
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adequate 台北來投資的嗎?我們都希望未來有更多的可能性是往中南部去走,讓南部這一塊,部長怎麼來協助推動?是是,我們也很贊成,因為你這樣的南北都有這樣的新創的話,那對吸引這個相關的人才也是有幫助。那這個我們經濟部的策略就是一定會讓南北更平衡。 |
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我希望部長或所有的署長、司長等等所有都還是要不斷地把這個放在心裡面去做處理啦因為你不做處理最後一定是多數落在北部啦北部其實是具有相當的優勢的那你一定要很有策略很有目的地去往中南部去推動他才有機會讓 |
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賴主席﹚賴主席 |
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那我要講的是未來有可能會有三座,林口新創園、雅灣新創園跟喬科的這個園區。那三個裡面園區看起來林口跟喬科都可能會達到一萬多坪、一萬五千坪。但是這個雅灣的新創園其實條件相當不錯齁。 |
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未來其實有機會在高原二期來設置啦,我也希望部長、署長、市長這邊來大力支持,讓雅灣新創園的能量能夠更強大好不好?是,我們都有在做這樣相關的吸引性創,可以更集中,然後更集中它的能量就會更好。 |
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現在高原二期在進行中,那我希望未來這個空間的部分是不是能夠給予更充足的空間?你看林口的,其實它的環境逐漸成熟,所以它一萬五千多坪的空間,獨立的辦公室等等,它250間。 |
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以雅灣新創原材1356坪,獨立辦公室25間,這個落差其實相當的大啦。那我們希望說在高原二期的部分,希望部長、署長、司長等大家能夠支持在高原二期能夠有這個好的空間出來,讓雅灣的新創這一塊能夠來蓬勃來發展。是。是。是。好不好,部長這個請繼續支持啦,好嗎?是。是。 |
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好 謝謝另外想要請教一下電力的問題我看到有些提出來要求來修相關的一些法令 部長怎麼看? |
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我們是認為這個電力的電費的審議那經過這個審議委員會那審議委員會裡面除了產官學之外還有工商團體、消保團體那這個非常細膩的去討論出來之後我們是建議這樣的方式還是比較好的方式 |
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這個機制好不容易從政治決定回到了專業的決定了吼,那也經過甚至在當時的國民黨政府時代也提出來的這樣的一個,然後也立到了法裡面去。如果現在因為這樣的因素而在變動的話,立法院的話那幾乎會演變成最後是政治決定,那在立法院政治決定幾乎很多東西你要漲價大概都會有困難。 |
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接下來我們請陳冠廷委員請做詢談。 |
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麻煩部長我們再請王部長 |
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部長,今天要諮詢的部分可能也要麻煩成為重要的交接事項,主要是針對基礎設施的部分。昨天我們在國防外交委員會針對國土辦提到一些重點的基礎建設、基礎設施的韌性。我們回顧這8年,2017年的時候有全台大停電的事件。 |
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那當然是因為包商的關係,那導致天然氣供氣中斷,那這個機組的停止運作。那2022年3月11號這個就比較是,它不是所謂高科技上面的危害,就很簡單的,非常low tech的,就是桃園機場的電纜遭到包商的人員意外的剪斷,那整個機場就停電了。所以從這兩個案例來看,我可以看到說我們不管是發電廠、機場這些重要的基礎設施來說的話, |
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不要說是治安防護我們沒有講到那邊喔講到是最簡單的門禁的檢查器具的使用目標地的存在就是說你為什麼會在那個時間點在那個地方不應該在授權的時間點出現在那個地方就應該被禁止這個東西我們沒有做得比較完善那我們不是要苛責這個國安單位因為 |
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天然氣我們還是有一個優先的方案出來那當然經濟部是主管單位所以我昨天問國土辦的時候國土辦給我的回答是說主要他們大概也只有十幾十幾個人人力而已那他們的預算大概也是數百萬元而已等於說他沒有辦法做一個完整的執行嘛因為他是幕僚單位所以執行的部分就等於是由各個部門去處理 |
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對,這件事情我是很重要的這是一個未來的基礎設施是非常重要的那特別是我們接下來的部長應該就是葉建樹來的他當然知道說只要某一個小時的斷電它造成的影響是有多大那有的時候斷電是因為跳電或者是一些自然的災害那無可厚非嘛那就變成要做應變機制就是做減災的部分可是在防範的部分已經出現多次都是用非常低科技的方式就是我們想像 |
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幾次?大概是幾次?不用給我正確數字,大概是多少?是,那這個部分的演練確實有,那因為經濟部負責的關鍵基礎設施,水、電,還有這個煉油廠等等,所以經濟部都有參與這樣的一個關鍵基礎設施,韌性以及安全的演練,那這個部分確實我們會來執行。謝謝部長,我希望說接下來針對這個發電廠、天然氣節奏站、煉油廠、自來水廠, |
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這個必須要完整的有一個演練希望讓下一個部長他能夠應該是說不要再特定時間了就是隨時都必須要做好準備甚至是有不要先講好哪一個時間點把那個situation就是直接把那個狀態就直接給演練的狀況就是不要先事先演練安排而是做好突發事件的做好準備的這種演練這個部分我是希望可以做好這個部分因為特別 |
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因為要攻擊台灣的基礎建設基礎設施它所造成的影響層面是太多太大了那我們也不希望說因為這個東西的存在國土辦的這個幕僚單位的預算就是這麼少 |
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所以變成是說他也只能做政策上面的宣示啦,執行上面還是由各部會要去做。各部會會有,那現在的相關的寶二的這個相關的這個也會進來進駐,那這個會一起來把它做得更好。 |
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13686.871 |
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對,而且這個東西如果配合錯假亂訊息的話,那個影響層面是到社會各個層面的,特別我們剛剛講煉油廠,我們剛剛講天然氣廠,那我現在就看到很多我們的鄉親又在傳一些假訊息,說哇那個這大暴躁的話會對這個我們的影響多大,開始這種錯假亂訊息又在不斷的在宣傳。 |
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13714.826 |
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所以我還是強調說因應錯假斷信許的最好方式就是做好自己的任性準備那做好自己的任性準備之後也是要透過各個不同的媒體管道社區媒體管道告訴大家說我們做好準備那有些人說這個是機密上面啊什麼我們怎麼樣準備怎麼樣尋守這個機密但不一定為什麼要這麼講當你做好任性上面的準備並且透過正確的管道跟民眾傳遞的話同時也是一個震懾效應這個震懾的意義在於說讓 |
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13736.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
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13743.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
13744.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
主席、經濟部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
13754.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
13773.088 |
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委員好,部長午安。快速跟部長討論一下,我們雖然在教育文化委員會,可是我們認識非常非常多在第一線的工作的家長。我想部長你應該都知道,台灣有非常多的中小企業其實承擔了台灣經濟發展的責任,對嗎?是的,是的。那我們從家長的角度來看一些事情。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
13802.547 |
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adequacy目前國科會的科學技術統計要來裡面呢我們發現未滿200人的中小企業整體的研發經費有細節我就不講整個加起來其實不到10%那再加上經濟部的統計中小企業有163萬家全國的全體企業佔98.9%也就是說有非常多的家長或是關心教育的人其實都在中小企業工作可是中小企業的穩定發展研發經費佔比卻不高我覺得部長您對這個什麼問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13824.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
但是他們其實面臨什麼樣的困境?在中小企業裡面因為又有服務業跟製造業,那在製造業的部分確實中小企業的人力也好,相關的淨費也好,比較有限,那確實占比就會比較低一點。 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
13825.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13846.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那沒錯部長您講到很重要的問題那我們來看另外一個二月二十三號經濟日報的這個報導說中小企業發展條例跟產創條例提供了研發租稅優惠規定大致是相似在台灣的中小企業發展條例研發門檻相對比較低那鼓勵中小企業去申請那目前這個報導裡面說以台北市為例在2022年有73件適用中小企業研發投資檢體那我們來看這個事情 |
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13850.97 |
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13864.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
可是如果我們只看臺北市市73,您覺得如果類推到全臺灣,大概可以適用中小企業研發投資底檢,可能會有幾件?你們目前手上有相關數字嗎?來,你說明一下吧。 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
13865.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
13876.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
市長,這次我們修法之後我們會預計每年申請的加速會有320件預計300多件目前大概是304件可是我剛剛也給您一個數字全台灣有多少萬中小企業那這個比例聽起來還是相對低那我們這邊想要建議有沒有機會為了整體的經濟發展的永續穩定中小企業相關的人力跟產能的發展也提高中小企業研發的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
13894.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
13899.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
經濟部跟財政部有沒有機會共同討論進一步放寬中小企業研發租稅優惠的門檻? |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
13902.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
13924.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
我補充報告一下,事實上中小企業的條例有研發,但是產創條例也有。所以剛才講的這個件數只有中小企業發展條例的。那產創的部分加起來的話,事實上件數應該是有一倍以上。但相對也還是低了。而且如同您說,您也知道他們的資源是不足的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
13925.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
13946.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
中小企業它要的這個提升的部分,它有很多個面向,它有時候是商業模式,它有時候是研發的部分。那我相信部長聽起來是非常清楚,可是我想有沒有機會列為重要交接是以就是把更多中小企業的聲音聽進去,因為當台灣在追求整個科技發展的時候,絕對不要忘了台灣中小企業絕對是重要的經濟發展命脈,對嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
13948.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
13951.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
關於員工教育訓練的部分,我們也想要建議有沒有機會納入相關法規來討論員工教育訓練的費用可不可以有沒有機會列為抵檢項目。我們認為員工教育訓練的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
13966.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
13970.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
adequate to the cost of research and development. |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
13997.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
13997.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
議員柯志恩 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14037.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14037.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14039.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
主席,我想請部長。我們再請王部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14064.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14074.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
部長,對於本院的決議因動漲電價,經濟部是否已經準備好就是不會遵守呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14075.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14091.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
因為目前按照電業法的規定所以我們是認為我們經濟部還是要按照法律的規定來執行相關的電價調整就是不計任何代價不願苦民所苦就是不會遵守本院的決議應該動長電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14094.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14096.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
事實上如果動漲電價,那這一次我們的電價調整,那事實上85%是讓用電大戶來負擔這個調漲的情形。所以如果動漲事實上反而是會去補貼到這個用電的大戶,反而是一個更不平衡的情形。 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14114.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14115.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
請問這一次電價平均漲幅是多少呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14126.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14133.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我們這一次全部加起來的漲幅應該是11%左右。那這個以下的資源是來自於經濟部能源署有關電液審議的網頁。你可以看一下在104年1月20號立法院決議事項的第三條裡面寫著 |
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14147.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14167.21 |
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adequate 社長服上線半年條服不得超過3%全年累計條服不得超過6%這個是在你們經濟部的網頁之上所公布的。所以呢這個條例請問一下經濟部有遵守嗎? |
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14169.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14196.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
報告這個是104年立法院的決議那正式入法是在106年的1月28日那立法之後就把這個權利交給電價審議委員會由電價審議委員會來決定那你們想做的時候就說要遵守法規你們不想遵守的時候就非常多的理由電業法第49條規定費率是由主管機關核定公告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14203.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
那這個依照電業法49條電價審議結果出來之後還是必須要經過經濟部的核定所以過去才有連續動漲啊動漲的時候不是都是依照電價公式計算出來的結果而是經濟部政治決定的結果所以這個經濟部不要再推給法律規定因為第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14222.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14247.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
bicy,經濟部就未遵守這三趴的天花板規定。第二,經濟部有核定權,不是審議計算出來的結果就是最終結論。所以結論就是經濟部不願苦民所苦,一定要漲電價,是嗎?報告委員,過去不管電價,要調整的能源署副署長,就是我們負責電價的...我現在問的是部長,我有請你上來嗎?是。 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14268.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
我跟委員報告事實上在我們電價審議的時候考慮的因素包括照顧民生那所以事實上過去這幾次都是電價審議會決定最後是要漲還是不要漲或者幾%但是你是有權利可以動漲的呀沒有但是因為都是在電價審議會決議了他只是報給這個經濟部來做公告所以事實上都是由電價審議會審議的結果 |
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14277.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14295.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
部長好幾次告訴我說國際上的天然氣價格就是因為國際上的天然氣價格大漲所以呢我們台電才會虧損這麼多那其實呢我看這個部長你可以看一下這個日韓指數的期貨價格就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14296.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14299.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案 案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14314.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14342.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
adequate 了嗎?沒有沒有另外還有一個管道的天然氣所以委員的這一張圖我不是確定所以這個是日韓不靠輸入氣管的就是靠汽油輪的這個價格因為之前我提的你說因為他們都有輸氣管所以價格不一樣這個是跟台灣條件相仿的所以呢先前部長在2022年俄烏戰爭之後說的說我們買到了比俄羅斯更便宜的天然氣這個天然氣到哪裡去了? |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14344.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14347.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
欸那個那一次大家問的是說我們不買俄羅斯那買別的別的會不會比較貴所以我們當時講的是我們中油公司去跟別的這個賣的賣家買的這個氣沒有比俄羅斯的貴講的是這樣的一個情形那本期清楚期貨價格跟你們的合約價格可能是有所差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
14368.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14388.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
但依照104年通過的這個電價審議委員會時的條件第六條,那時候說電價成本應該透明化,那是不是請經濟部公布一下這個天然氣合約的價格,讓人民可以檢視,請問部長願意公布嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14391.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14396.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
這個相關的合約是中油跟外面的廠商,那這個合約沒辦法,但是你管中油賣給台電或者賣給…中油賣給台電比較貴,這個上次已經講過了,那中油到底買多少錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
14407.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14411.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
中共賣給台電、賣給這個工業、賣給江戶的這個我們都可以讓大家知道。就是中油的部分這個天然氣的合約是不是應該把價格公佈出來?因為我記得公佈這個購買合約並不是沒有先例。在2012年經濟部就曾主動公佈台電的購煤合約。那當時為什麼公佈部長記得嗎?部長知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14432.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14434.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
嗯,那個時候我不曉得。對,我想,我想,所以... |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14447.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14475.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
你記不記得就是那時候有個新聞就說欸監察院要調查這個購煤的合約結果這個購煤的合約呢就失竊了所以呢我也希望說部長我們是不是儘速也公佈一下我們天然氣的合約而且也要在這個公佈之前要保障我們這個天然氣合約的安全否則真的是非常的危險怎麼會一要調查這個契約就遺失了所以呢最後呢本席也想要問就是說 |
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14476.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14496.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
究竟要漲電價的就是是因為法規的關係還是經濟部不願意苦民所苦?事實上我有講過我們這一次的調漲85%其實是大的用戶在承擔這個漲那為什麼不動漲民生電價呢?為什麼不動漲?如果假設85%都是漲這個大的用戶的話為什麼另外那些民生用電不能動漲呢? |
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| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14521.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
14522.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14536.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
繼然你說85%影響的都是用電大戶,剩下的這些民生用電這些可以說是庶民百姓是不是能夠動長呢?這一點我也呼籲部長一定要認真考慮。 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
14537.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14552.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
謝謝委員但是現在的這個一般的電價的賣給他的已經跟成本本來就乖離很多了所以我們其實這個又說到你錯誤的能源政策所以我今天可能時間也不足謝謝謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
14558.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14582.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
謝謝。接下來我們請牛許廷委員、牛許廷、牛許廷委員不在現場。我們請何欣淳委員、何欣淳、何欣淳委員不在現場。我們請顏匡恆委員、顏匡恆、顏匡恆委員不在現場。請羅廷惠委員、羅廷惠、羅廷惠委員不在現場。請羅明財委員、羅明財、羅明財委員不在現場。我們請麥玉珍、麥玉珍委員、麥玉珍委員不在現場。我們請林倩琦委員、林倩琦、林倩琦委員不在現場。 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
14583.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14590.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
我們請林德甫委員、林德甫、林德甫委員不在現場。我們請陳昌明、陳昌明、陳昌明委員不在現場。我們請黃國昌委員請做詢問。我們再請王部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
14614.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
14629.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
針對利洋集團在台南七股小二甲的違法弊案,我今天早上召開了記者會。這個記者會就刑事偵查已經起訴接下來審判的部分,當然各該被告。 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
14630.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
14656.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
在審判程序當中去面對。但不是起訴完以後進入審判程序就沒有經濟部的事了。因為整起事件害人聽聞十分誇張。有兩件跟經濟部全責有關係的事情想要請教一下部長。就有關於古聖輝他們在非法取得台南七股電籌許可的這件事情上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
14658.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
14666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
當初他們是透過小二甲禁令的但書也就是在102年7月31號以前合訂的109年6.5GW達標計畫就沒想到法規明確的寫要在109年7月31號以前合訂他們搞到2021年的時候開了一個會議幫他開後門 |
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14711.582 |
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這個違法取得的電酬許可,經濟部要不要撤銷?請教部長。第一個,對於相關的案件有沒有要撤銷,那這個我們都會看有沒有相關的違法清洗。還要看多久?還要看多久?這就是你們的權責啊!因為這個目前...這不就是你們的權責嗎?第一個,我們還沒有看到起訴書的全文,那裡面有沒有什麼樣的...第一個,先等一下! |
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到現在都已經多久了?檢察官會寄起訴書給你們嗎?案件發生到現在, |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
14736.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
14759.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
連這麼基本的事實都還沒有開始。曾文森答應我說要啟動行政調查,啟動了嗎?我們會啟動行政的調查。什麼時候要啟動?等到收到起訴書?如果起訴書兩個月沒拿到就不會啟動是這樣嗎?我們當然要去看起訴書的內容啊。對,所以我說你什麼時候要啟動行政調查嘛? |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
14766.624 |
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什麼時候要啟動行政調查?我們收到起訴書,看那個內容一定會...所以我問你嘛,檢察官會寄起訴書給你嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
14768.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
14796.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
我們有跟當事人一樣起訴書所以如果站在當事人的立場我永遠不給你起訴書啊你永遠就沒有辦法啟動行政調查啊有這種態度的嗎我們本來就要看起訴書啊委員不用看起訴書的內容嗎裡面起訴書附的資料我這樣講好了啦以目前所有公開的資訊經濟部也好能源署也好你們手上有的事證有的基礎的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
14801.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
你們可以自己去判斷的事情太多了!我為什麼敢這樣講?當初怎麼開這個後門的?沒有基礎資料你們敢開後門嗎?為什麼不能夠這樣講?我就問一個最基本的問題就好了啦! |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
14830.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
14853.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
2020年6.5GW達標計畫法規上面寫著是要在7月31號以前核定納入的你們在2021年9月15號開了一個會議大家都創好了在那個時候開後門我現在依法論法2021年9月15號是憑什麼開這個後門 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
14858.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
14866.621 |
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你不用看起訴書啊,你按照你們當初做行政處分的基礎,你們當初是依照什麼樣當作依據,開了這個後門,放谷聖輝過關。 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
14871.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
14880.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
adequate檢察官的起訴沒有關係喔!跟委員報告齁,你用講康我們是不能接受啦,因為沒有關係啊,你用事實說服我嘛!對,這個開這個會齁,包括農委會都有一起來開會,那我們這個是通案,我們這個是通案在處理。是!有符合法規嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
14891.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
14917.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
這個本來就是一個農委會本來就是突然的改變他的一個政策那所以我們去做改他不是比如說符合109人6.5億這個也不是法規那這個都是我們在做這個推動能源政策裡面不斷的在往前推進的一個情形推動小二甲後面上面的這個單書所以以部長的態度來講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
14919.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
14931.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
這個規定是很彈性的,不用遵守也沒有關係,你的意思是這樣嗎?來看一下,農業主管機關同意農曆變更使用審查作業要點,這不是法規是什麼?這不是法規是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
14935.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
14955.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
農變要點是相關的行政命令沒有錯。這個我們同意。但是農委會原來的規定後來沒有足夠的這個緩衝期,然後就改了規定。那造成一些大家有很多的意見。所以這個事實上也是後來很多的部會大家一起去討論的事情。 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
14962.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
14963.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
但是我,容額會這樣的規定造成非常多的案件已經審到一片。 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
14979.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
14983.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
有改法規嗎?所以沒有改法規公務員要不要守法?大家非常透明去做的決定。 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
14999.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15001.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
沒錯,我們都有做會議記錄,難道這樣不透明嗎?我去年開始在追蹤這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
15014.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15029.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
Reporter 臺灣民眾黨陳婉蕙委員也在追蹤這個案子。我那時候針對立洋集團為什麼有辦法在2022年開始繞過去小二甲的禁令,我是百思不得其解。 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15030.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15052.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
我查完了法規找了三種例外的狀況除非有一種我沒掌握到的就是有納入6.5GW所以我請陳委員跟經濟部所知把6.5GW納入的全部都要納進去嘛部長說有公開透明嘛有哪些被納進去全國人民不能知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15054.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15079.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
所以就跟你們索資了。索資回來長了這個樣子。長了這個樣子,裡面有立洋集團的五天案場嗎?沒有。沒有。這不是我捏造出來的喔。剛部長談到公開透明,我們就來談公開透明。去年就跟你們要了。有哪些計畫納入這6.5GW,給出來的資料殘破不堪,裡面有五天案場嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15080.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15082.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
這是部長所說的公開透明嗎?我問A你答B的技巧非常厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15129.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
我沒有!剛剛你不是說公開透明啊!我現在就跟你談公開透明啊!你們給委員的清單裡面為什麼沒有五天案場?不是被你們合法的納入了嗎?既然合法的納入為什麼上面沒有?在遮掩什麼?我們沒有在遮掩我這個...沒有在遮掩上面就沒有啊!我有說錯嗎?報告這個是當時在問的時候當時有提出來的申請案件...停一下!立朗什麼時候申請的? |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15131.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15159.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
你再騙啊!利昂什麼時候申請的?這個是當時已經併網的資料,那我們都寫在這裡。那我們那個,那邊有說這是併網的資料。對嘛!所以我就說嘛!你們到底在遮掩什麼嘛!我們要知道的是什麼?所有納入6.5GW的計劃有什麼?你們就提一個不完整的清單出來。現在主席站起來了啦!現在主席站起來。我只有兩個要求。 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15160.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15180.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
Reporter 今天不給答案沒有關係你就慢慢的等起訴書啊我如果是當事人我會給你起訴書才怪啊我知道你要收到起訴書法務部也不會給你起訴書你要跟當事人要我是當事人我就把起訴書放在抽屜裡我半年不給你你半年沒有辦法啟動行政調查行政調查要多久部長我們當然要看到起訴書的資料內容檢察官收集的資料我們再來看所以你需要多少的時間取得起訴書 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15190.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15210.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
我現在都還不知道檢察官的起訴書送出來沒有。我想委員,拿到檢察官的起訴書這不是應該我們很好的一個起步嗎?當然難道我們不用看到起訴書嗎?那就對啦,那所以我們當然是要看到起訴書。你本來自己行政調查資料都在你們檔案裡。 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
15212.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15231.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
目前所公開的資訊,包括法務部給所有新聞記者,他只有把名字遮掉。他只有把名字遮掉,把郭再欽改成郭圈圈。但是事實行為的太陽,以目前公開連我都拿到的東西,已經鉅細靡遺了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
15233.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15256.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
我只有兩個要求第一個違法的電酬許可撤銷第二個該送監察院彈劾的公務員請送監察院彈劾不要包屁我今天的訴求只有這兩個我們會行政調查我們會行政調查沒有關係我們就靜靜等嘛看經濟部的行政調查什麼時候要出來嘛還是審判繼續拖小股很夠力 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
15258.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15280.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15282.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15304.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
我們登記發言的委員除了不在場之外,其餘都已經發言完畢,詢答結束。我們有委員陳昌明委員以及牛許廷委員所提書面質詢列入記錄,我們刊登公報。書面質詢以及會期答覆的部分請相關單位於一週以內以書面答覆並附資本會。那麼我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
15307.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
15309.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
進行審查中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案現在進行廣泛討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
15320.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
15345.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
那沒有人登記發言我們現在請議事組人員宣讀所有的條文若有修正動議及附帶決議請一併宣讀宣讀完畢之後我們再進行協商那麼現在請宣讀宣讀的時間大約15分鐘請所有的助理委員的助理通知你們的委員大概15分鐘之後我們進行逐條這個協商討論謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
15350.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
15368.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
中小企業發展條例行政院提案第二條本條例所稱中小企業指依法辦理公司有限合夥或商業登記,合於中小企業認定標準之事業。傾向認定標準由中央主管機關按資本額經常僱用員工數等定之。傾向機關為辦理中小企業輔導業務,得就業務需要。 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
15371.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15388.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
厲定標準放寬輔導對象。第35條,為促進中小企業研發創新,中小企業投資於研究發展支支出,得選擇以下列方式抵減因納盈利事業所得稅額,並以不超過該公司或有限合夥當年度因納盈利事業所得稅額30%為限。 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
15391.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
15413.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
一、經責定不得變更。一、於支出金額15%限度內,抵減當年度應納盈利事業所得稅額。二、於支出金額10%限度內,抵減自當年度起三年內各年度應納盈利事業所得稅額。供研究發展實驗或品質檢驗用之儀器設備其耐用年數在二年以上者, |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
15414.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
15432.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
則案所得稅法固定資產耐用年數表所載年數,縮短二分之一計算折舊,縮短後餘數不滿一年者,不予計算。第一項投資抵減之適用範圍,申請期限,申請程序和定機關施行期限。 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
15433.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15458.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
厲檢慮及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關會同財政部定之第36條之二,中小企業增僱一定人數之二十四歲以下或四十五歲以上本國籍員工且提高該企業整體薪資給付總額時,得就其增僱該員工所支付薪資金額之百分之一百五十限度內,自其增僱當年度營利事業所得額中減除。 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
15460.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15477.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
bicy 中小企業調高本國籍基層員工之平均薪資給付水準時得就非因法定最低工資調整而增加支付本國籍現值基層員工薪資金額之百分之一百五十限度內,自其增加薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
15478.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15492.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
當年度營利事業所得額中減除但因增僱員工所致增加之薪資給付金額已適用前項規定者不得重複記錄前二項增僱員工之對象及人數企業整體薪資給付總額 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
15493.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15508.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
基層員工範圍及平均薪資給付水準計算方式、核定機關申請應具備之要件、申請期限、申請程序及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關會同財政部定之第36條之三。 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
15509.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15525.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
中小企業已依其他法律享有租稅優惠者,不得就同一事項重複享有本條例所定之租稅優惠,就同一事項同時符合本條例所定不同租稅優惠規定者,應則依適用,不得重複享有。 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
15526.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15549.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
中小企業最近三年因違反環境保護勞工或食品安全衛生相關法律且情節重大,經各中央目的事業主管機關認定者不得申請本條例之租稅優惠。第三十九條,中央主管機關為審議中小企業發展政策得邀集相關機關及學者專家,組成中小企業政策審議會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
15551.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15562.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
第四十條本條例自公佈日施行本條例中華民國103年6月4日修正公佈之第35條及第36條之二施行期間自103年5月20日起至113年5月19日止。第35條之一施行期間自103年5月20日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
15572.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15597.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
至一百二十二年十二月三十一日至本條例中華民國一百零五年一月六日修正公佈之第三十六條之二第二項至第五項施行期間自一百零五年一月一日起至一百十三年五月十九日至本條例中華民國一百十三年某月某日修正至第三十五條及第三十六條之二施行期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
15598.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15624.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
自一百十三年一月一日起至一百二十二年十二月三十一日至委員柯志恩等提案第三十六條之二第一項後段支付薪資金額修正為百分之兩百限度內其餘維持現行法條文第二項前項員工年齡在三十歲以下者得就每年增顧本國籍員工支付薪資金額百分之 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
15625.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15643.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
二百二十限度內自其增顧當年度營業失業所得額中減除。第三項本國籍現職基層員工薪資金額修正為百分之二百限度內其餘維持現行法條文。第四項至第六項維持現行法條文委員賴士寶等提案。 |
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15643.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15667.676 |
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厲三十六條之二第一項同委員柯志恩等提案條文第二項前項員工年齡修正為二十四歲以下者其餘同委員柯志恩等提案條文第三項至第五項同委員柯志恩等提案條文第六項本條中華民國一百十三年某月某日修正之第二項第三項第四項及第五項規定自一百十三年一月一日 |
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施行至120年5月19日指,不是用第40條但書之規定。委員楊瓊英等提案第36條之二除第二項前項員工年齡修正為29歲以下者其餘同委員柯志恩等提案條文增訂第36條之四中小企業得在投資於下列用途向下支出金額百分之三十限度內自當年度起三年內抵減 |
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各年度應納盈利事業所得稅額,一、人才培訓,二、品牌發展,三、健全會計制度,中小企業當年度前項各款支出,超過前二年度前項各款支出所歸屬經費平均數者,超過部分得按50%抵減之。 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團提案第一條具中修正為並輔導其自力成長及升級轉型其餘維持現行法條文。增訂第七條之一為推動中小企業升級轉型強化其經濟韌性及競爭力經濟部應推動下列措施一、升級轉型二、人才培訓三、基礎設施優化四、資金協助 |
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五、其他協助措施。嫌向第一款所定升級轉型措施如下。 |
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一、協助中小企業推動低碳化、智慧化。二、拓展商圈、街區店家、中小企業商機之優化措施。三、協助中小企業運用低碳化與智慧化出口拓銷,及推動匯展產業節能減碳。四、推動列管市場及業市之優化措施。前二項措施經濟部得責定以獎勵補助, |
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厲施補貼、輔導或協助貸款方式為之,並得視個別產業發展及受景氣影響情形,則定特定產業提供優先或其他客製化優惠輔導或補助,為推動中小企業升級轉型。經濟部應訂定《中小企業升級轉型辦法》第36條之二第一項刪除 |
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經濟景氣指數達一定情形下等字其餘同委員柯志恩等提案條文第二項前項員工年齡修正為24歲以下與45歲以上者其餘同委員柯志恩等提案條文第三項第一項員工年齡於65歲以上者得就每年增顧本國籍員工支付薪資金額之250%限度內自其增顧當年度營利事業所得額中減除 |
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第四項,條高基層員工之平均薪資幾副水準時,得就每年非英法定基本工資調整,而增加支付本國籍現值基層員工薪資金額之百分之二百限度內,自其增加薪資當年度營利事業所得額中減除,單因增雇員工所致,增加 |
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之、薪資及付金額已適用前二項規定者不得重複記錄。第五項具首修正為第一項及第二項,其餘同行政院提案條文第三項。增訂第36條之四,第一項同委員楊瓊英等提案條文第二項,前項各款當年度支出超過前二年度前項各款支出所歸屬經費平均數者,超過部分得按50%抵解。 |
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厲檢之第四十條本條例自公佈日施行中華民國一百零三年六月四日修正公佈之第三十六條之二施行期間自一百零三年五月二十日起十年止 |
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本條例中華民國105年1月6日修正公佈之第36條之二第二項至第五項施行期間自105年1月1日起至113年5月19日至。本條例中華民國113年某月某日修正之第36條之二施行期間自113年1月1日起至122年12月31日至。 |
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國民黨黨團提案第三十六條之二同委員柯志恩等提案條文委員張志倫等提案第三十五條除第三項莫具修正為由行政院定之其餘同行政院提案條文第三十六條之二第一項具中修正為得就其每年增顧該員工所 |
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而增加支付薪資金額之150%限度內其餘同行政院提案條文第二項第二具修正為得就每年非英法定基本工資調整而增加支付本國籍現職基層員工薪資金額之150%限度內其餘同行政院提案條文第三項具首修正為第一項及第二項其餘同行政院提案條文 |
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第四十條本條例自公布日施行第二項前段修正為中華民國一百零三年六月四日修正公布之第三十五條及第三十六條之二施行期間自一百零三年五月二十日起十年至後段文字及第三項第四項同行政院提案條文 |
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cellence 委員王世堅等提案。第35條同委員張志倫等提案條文。第36條之二,中小企業增僱一定人數之24歲以下或45歲以上本國籍員工,因而提高該企業整體薪資及副總額時,得就其每年增僱該員工 |
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所支付薪資金額之百分之一百七十限度內,自其增顧當年度營利事業所得額中減除。中小企業調高本國籍基層員工之平均薪資給付水準時,得就每年非應法定基本工資調整額增加支付本國籍現職基層員工薪資金額之百分之一百七十限度內,自其增加薪資當年度, |
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一、中小企業調購本國籍薪資未達主計總署公佈之新年度全時受雇員工經常性薪資平均數、員工資平均薪資給付水準時,得就每年非應法定基本工資調整而增加支付本國籍限職基層員工薪資金額之百分之二百限度內,自其增加薪資當年度營利事業所得額中減除。 |
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因第一項、第二項及第三項所增加之薪資及付金而不得重複記錄,第五項具首修正為第一項、第二項及第三項其餘文字同行政院提案條文第三項,第四十條同委員張志倫等提案條文。 |
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委員郭國文等提案第36條之二,中小企業增僱一定人數之員工且提高該企業整體薪資給付總額時,得就其每年增僱本國籍員工所支付薪資金額之百分之一百五十限度內,自其增僱當年度營利事業所得額中減除,前項員工年齡在24歲以下或45歲以上者。 |
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則就每年增顧本國及員工支付薪資金額之百分之二百限度內,自其增顧當年度營利失業所得額中減除。第三項末,修正為已適用前二項規定者其餘同委員張志倫等提案條文第二項。第四項具首修正為前三項所定。 |
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其餘同行政院提案條文第三項。第五項,本條中華民國一百十三年某月某日修正之規定自一百十三年一月一日施行至一百二十二年十二月三十一日止,不適用第四十條但書之規定。 |
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cellence 委員邱瑩等提案第二條同行政院提案條文第三十五條同行政院提案條文第三十六條之二第一項及第二項新資金額修正為175%限度內其餘文字同行政院提案條文第三十六條之三同行政院提案條文第三十九條同行政院提案條文第四十條同行政院提案條文 |
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委員秋穎等等人所提修正動議第36條之二中小企業增僱一定人數之24歲以下或45歲以上本國籍員工且提高該企業整體薪資給付總額時得就其增僱該員工所支付薪資金額之175%限度內 |
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自其徵雇當年度營利事業所得額中減除,徵雇65歲以上本國籍員工且提高該企業整體薪資及副總額時,得就其徵雇該員工所支付薪資金額之百分之二百限度內,自其徵雇當年度營利事業所得額中減除。第二項, |
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cellence 中段新資金額修正為175%限度內其餘同行政院提案條文第三項同行政院提案條文。 |
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委員陳亭飛等人所提修正動議第36條之二中小企業增雇一定人數之二十四歲以下或四十五歲以上本國籍員工且提高該企業整體薪資及付總額時得就其每年增雇該員工所支付薪資金額之百分之一百五十限度內自其增雇當年度營利事業所得額中減除 |
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五十五歲以上本國籍員工且提高該企業整體薪資及副總額時,則就其每年增雇該員工所支付薪資金額之百分之一百八十限度內,自其增雇當年度營利事業所得額中減除。 |
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中小企業提高本國籍基層員工之平均薪資幾付水準時,得就每年非因法定基本工資調整而增加支付本國籍現值基層員工薪資金額之150%限度內,自其增加薪資當年度營利事業所得額中減除,但因增雇員工所致增加之薪資幾付金額已,適用前項規定者不得重複記錄。 |
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第三項具首修正為第一項及第二項其餘同行政院提案條文。第四項本條中華民國一百十三年某月某日修正之規定施行期間自一百十三年一月一日起至一百二十二年十二月三十一日止,不是用第四十條但書之規定。委員楊瓊英等人所提修正動議。第36條之二 |
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:「中小企業徵雇一定人數之員工且提高該企業整體薪資及副總額時,得就其每年徵雇本國籍員工所支付薪資金額之百分之二百限度內,自其徵雇當年度盈利事業所得額中減除,前項員工年齡在24歲以下者得就每年徵雇本國籍員工 |
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ignty事業所得額中檢除,但因增雇員工所致增加之薪資給付金額已適用前二項規定者,不得重複記錄。中小企業於本條適用期間不符合前三項要件,自不符合要件之年度起,依所得稅法規定。 |
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繼算其營利事業所得及應納稅額、前三項徵雇員工之對象及人數、企業整體薪資及付總額、基層員工範圍及平均薪資及付水準計算方式、合定機關申請期限、申請程序及其他相關事項之辦法、 |
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由中央主管機關會同財政部定之本條中華民國一百十三年某月某日修正之第二項、第三項、第四項及第五項規定,自一百十三年一月一日施行至一百二十年五月十九日止,不是用第四十條但書之規定。宣讀完畢。好 |
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我們現在進行協商開始。我們先看中小企業發展條例第一條。 |
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好來張七高委員第一條就是為了協助中小企業改善經營環境我們裡面加了一個急升級轉型讓這個以後中小企業這個經營環境在升級轉型這邊可以納入可以幫助到中小企業好來行政部門 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。」案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十 |
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那我會給大家發言,但是我們希望行政部門也充分去討論,你們表達你們的立場,我們也表達我們的立場。原則上這樣子處理會比較好。師弟,你剛剛講已經有精神了,我們就把它文字具體化了。剛剛部長也說可以,好不好?同意嘛。好,那第一條我們就照民眾黨的版本通過。來,我們第二條。 |
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第二條的部分,都一樣,是不是委員都提案都...第二條精神已經在裡面嘛,剛剛部長有來溝通啊,部長是說這個好像是以前那個議會的時候的...剛剛是七字一條,那一條是七字一條,現在是第二條。我們現在是第二條,第二條。 |
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議員主席 |
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則二、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案案 案。 |
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本來就有加進來了。 |
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好,那就以協議委員跟行政院版本都雷同,我們依照通過。我是充分尊重我們委員的提案。好,來,那我們接續下來,第七條之一。我們有民眾黨的版本,就一個。來,行政部門,新增。 |
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跟委員報告,因為第七條之一新增的這些項目都是屬於一些行政措施之類的,其實這些內涵也涉及到我們部裡面有相關很多局處的工作,而且在我們的條例裡面其實都已經有納入這些工作了。 |
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民眾黨統是希望說增訂為了推動中小企業升級轉型那因為剛剛跟部長協商之後第一條已經有加了升級轉型了嘛保持一下那是不是這樣喔張吉凱委員是不是這樣子喔因為我們可能後面還是有必須要協商啦這邊我可以接受啦這邊可以拿掉沒問題你可以接受 |
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好,那我們就不以爭定。接下來,我們第35條。第35條的部分有張志倫委員、王世堅委員、還有邱毅英委員。35條,就三個。還有誰?還有任坂,四個,來。 |
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來,那個就是委員。主席各位同仁,這個我比較了行政的版本跟王世堅跟邱昀的版本。都一樣嗎?怎麼看都一樣。怎麼看找不到不一樣的地方。找不到不一樣的地方就是說,我要請教財政部,這個行政提案跟邱昀的提案,都是要由中央總統機關會同財政部定資的。那其他委員的提案, |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。」案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。案。 |
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這位委員是不是用行政院函案由中央主管機關就是經濟部會同財政部定職,這樣比較明確啦,分工、責任歷史也比較明確啦,好不好?哪一位? |
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三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具 |
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章智隆委員,沒有提案也可以說啦。章智隆委員是行政院定資啦。剛剛主管機關的回覆我本席是可以接受啦,好不好,那就照院版。 |
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好,那我們就依照院版來通過第35條接下來我們第36條之二有柯志恩委員賴士寶委員楊瓊英還有羅廷惠委員民眾黨國民黨張志倫委員王世堅委員郭國武委員邱映委員 |
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還有我們有邱毅委員、陳廷輝委員、楊瓊英三位修正動議。來,行政部門。 |
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好跟委員報告這一條我們最主要是刪除緊急門檻還有投資額的門檻那另外就是針對一般員工的部分我們是用這個兩個這個年齡的級距來做修正就是這個修正徵僱24歲以下跟徵僱45歲以上的員工都是用150%的減除率原來減除率是130提高到150 |
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是,那另外就是有委員也提到說是不是30歲是不是要把那個徵雇的門檻24歲再提高到30歲以上以下那這部分我們是考慮到就是說因為24歲以下的這個失業率現在目前大概是11點11點多那這個就業人數大概73萬人那25到29歲 |
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議員主席 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會 |
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議員主席 |
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我覺得主席剛剛講得非常好其實行政部門我剛剛特別有強調利用職選時間我也講既然那麼多委員有版本那你不要鐵板一塊應該去斟酌各委員提出來的版本來去做有集聚的一個分配第一我們當然是要拿掉那個所謂的一個景氣的一個門檻但現在最重要的差別是說130到150才多增加20%到底有沒有這樣的一個誘因那還有如果說你現在針對24歲以下 |
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那照剛剛的一個講法那這樣會不會以後反而公司會有所謂的這個失業潮解雇潮啊員工到了24、25的時候嗎就把25歲解雇然後要換24歲不對應該是說針對 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11屆第12條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條文修正草案：立法院議員賴士葆等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條 |
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二十二歲女性沒有服兵役所以說她二十二歲可能就進入職場男性二十二歲畢業之後現在民進黨的德政又把兵役延長一年所以就跟以前一樣如果再加上說還有研究所等等的話說不定男性要加入職場的時候已經過了二十四歲的門檻 |
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那會變成你如果說你這樣子一個情況一刀切24歲以前會不會讓很多的中小企業他變成是他的選擇也有限只有女性的這個就業人口男性的就業人口相對少所以為什麼國民黨團會提出說30歲以下 |
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就是看到現在最重要的一個失業的兩大族群一個是24歲以下一個是25到29歲那也是剛剛我們的主席有特別提到的那是不是能夠做30歲以上一個調整那以及現在本席也看到我們有一些委員也提出修正動議這也是我認為應該要去思考就是說45歲以上但是我們現在的一個勞動人口能夠勞動紅利如果說能夠增加的話65歲甚至60歲以上 |
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兩百、兩百二十、一百七十五我覺得這一個部分應該是可以調整因為這今天修法不是話給不是蔡市長喊這樣你喊一百八我喊兩百二到最後折衷變兩百不是而是我們希望是說行政部門能夠去針對這樣子以及對比現在的一個勞動市場 |
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閱讀 |
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三十六條之二我們會要針對就是說65歲以上甚至60歲以上或55歲以上我覺得這應該要跟勞動部來做一個討論就是說是不是有增加55歲以上或60歲以上的員工進額然後能夠有增加這個減免的一個部分然後來去做 |
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閱讀此兩點﹖拜託主席等下再做個裁釋,謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請羅廷偉委員﹖羅廷偉委員發言完誰﹖邱志偉委員請準備,謝謝。好,我想這個部分我也非常認同這個洪孟凱委員所說的。我就是大概23歲當兵,24歲進入職場。 |
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那所以以這樣子的一個狀況來說其實是蠻多的所以在你這個所限定的24歲來說我覺得基本上會很多人沒辦法去用到這一條所以我覺得在這個我們所提的是29歲以下那再來我覺得就是很簡單的一個想法嘛就是大家參加一起做集聚嘛你如果24歲以下150假設220 |
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然後二十九歲以下一百五但是我要講真的啦你一百三變一百五這個誘因真的很低啊我們就是二十二十在家我們這一次希望大幅度的改革大幅度的能夠整個讓活絡經濟 |
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所以在這個時候在討論到一百三遍一百五我覺得真的是我一定是非常堅持一百五絕對是不夠所以我們提的版本兩百二我希望能夠做這個相對應那再來就是人口老化還有人口長壽現在我們在講說壯士代壯士代所以相對應的是不是六十歲以上的能夠也提出一個極具我覺得這個院版應該要把這個綜合起來而不是只是告訴我們說哎呀你們的二十四到二十九會產生怎麼樣怎麼樣 |
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閱讀委員賴士葆 |
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adequa版本不一樣的地方就是在年齡門檻的部分大概大多數是24到45那也有人提30歲這個部分本來想聽一下勞動部的意見但是勞動部書面資料 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：事由：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查： |
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這是可以科學去評估的,可以量化的。你到底是要用邱薇雲的修正動力到175,還是要用李亞妮的,還是要用行政版本150,這些都可以。但是你要有科學的依據,所以你評估哪一個版本、哪一個理解率對於這個加薪或者提高這個薪水最有效果。 |
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不是這樣現在可以划的。這個方法也可以划。我想說195也可以。221也可以。不是這樣划。這個齁,有這個版本出來齁,相關的報告,你就要檢查這個版本,到底它的優異效果哪一個最強。優異效果最強,它就會帶動這個加薪的幅度也會最明顯。所以今天是要考慮的齁。如果這個數據沒有很明顯讓大家參考的話,我是主張齁。 |
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賴主席 |
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現在因為低薪跟通膨的問題都很嚴重所以這個條文是非常重要我們肯定這次經濟部主動願意修這個條文把這個落日條款的時間往後而且刪除了景氣啟動這個門檻這個大家有志一同看起來這條文大家都是肯定的那現在看起來就是很多委員跟黨團的這個提案 |
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議員主席 |
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adequate 楊瓊英委員跟賴士葆委員柯志恩還有民進黨的郭國文兩百這看起來英雄手劍劣童這應該是目前最大的一個公約數那另外我們民眾黨團特別提了一個點因為現在大家都在鼓勵壯世代就業因為你從日本韓國這很多亞洲國家的這個年長者壯世代就業 |
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台灣比起來顯然都是偏低的那麽國立壯士代可以二度就業或者延長退休所以我們建議說明訂一個新的這個增訂一個新的條文65歲以上的員工檢出率把它提高為250%很期待就是說等一下我們可以看起來每個人提的不太一樣可是找到一個最大的公約數我是比較不建議說這個條文要留下來擱置或什麽樣我們找到一個大家比較能夠共同接受的這個 |
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主席,我們當時提這個條文最大的誘因其實包括提24歲以下是希望不再升學的青年人他是能夠提早進入職場而中小企業如果有這樣的用人需求的話他聘用年輕的 |
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賴士葆等19人擬具〈中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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你們有沒有去算過那個稅損或者是那個差距會是多大?財政部對這一方面的意見是什麼?如果真的要創造給中小企業在聘僱上面的誘因,我覺得220也是可以啊,那個誘因是更大的。所以就剛剛邱志偉委員所提的,那個誘因對你們來講,你們現在從130只調到150, |
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閱讀員賴士葆 |
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所以到底有沒有這樣的空間跟可能性?我不知道行政部門你們到底有沒有去做過評估?那你們如果寫那些連你們自己都看不懂的文字的話,我覺得這是浪費大家的時間。是不是能夠請你們說明?待會兒一併說明。來,我們最後再請賴樂文委員,來。 |
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好,我也請教一下大概經濟部跟產生部的事別說明一下啦,就是說年齡的部分,包括剛剛提到這些150、200這些的耳朵的部分,那它到底會造成是多大的一些效應,另外還有多少的一些碎損,是不是能夠有一些比較 |
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清楚的一些客觀的數據讓大家來了解一下年齡跟額度的部分它會產生的整個產業上的效益你們評估的效益那另外可能會產生的一些稅損的部分到底有多少讓大家有一個比較客觀的數據來做一個討論好不好好謝謝 |
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行政部門要回答以前那個勞動部其實這個勞動部應該是在很重要的角色尤其今天國發會我為什麼在剛開始會休息三分鐘因為這個對於整個經濟的 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：審查：事由：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11屆第12條文修正草案：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查： |
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你如果只有增加20那根本就沒什麼成效啦所以國民黨的黨版提出來是檢除率是200那本席跟賴士葆委員羅廷惟委員還有姓任委員曾志堅委員的修正動議裡面是有部分是要到220那也有邱英文的修正動議175 |
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這是目前行政部門所提的,是所有的委員沒有辦法認同的。那以上補充,那請說明。好,謝謝各位委員。那確實我們現在的稅事事務評估是只有用行政院版的評估。那我們針對委員版的目前的評估的部分,我們現在有同仁在現場正在試算當中。 |
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議員主席 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案。」案。議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案。案。 |
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議員主席 |
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賴主席 |
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報告主席,各位委員,勞動部是這樣子,我們推中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法裡面,的確是中高齡是45到64,65歲以上是高齡者。那在一些服務措施上是有一些不一樣,比如說高齡者的就業服務職業訓練其實都是比較有差異的。那包含在雇用獎助的部分,中高齡的部分是一萬三,高齡的時候是一萬五。 |
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adequate 兩個族群上面是有一些的差異性。另外在這個青年的部分其實我們的投資青年方案裡面的服務族群是15到29歲。為什麼是29歲當然是參考勞動統計裡面的那個年齡的這個 |
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閱讀他的失業率狀況。經濟部剛剛提的24歲比較多,也就是初次尋職的那一個部分。以上說明。是勞動部的說明。來,各位同仁。現在我們慢慢有一個點,就是年齡的部分30歲以下是可以認同的,在中小企業處。好來,哪一位先?邱志偉委員。這個每一項的法律修正或者每一項政策, |
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不可能這個面面俱到也不可能每一個單位都達成百分之百的共識機關有他的本位嘛你要看這個這個修正案最主要是要促進企業徵雇員工達到加薪的目的這是政策的優先性這政策的強度跟這必要性跟急迫性遠帶其他的政策目的跟效果那當然財政部他的最主要他滿腦子想的就是租稅公平對不對 |
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租稅公平當然我也覺得這很重要。但是你在橫租法院的必要性的時候、急迫性的時候你就應該把加薪跟勞動市場的穩定跟流財放在租稅公平之前。我相信王部長跟財政部次長你們的意見絕對立的。 |
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一個是油門 一個是煞車我可以理解這個財政部的立場你所有的政策都要達到這個租稅公平在這個大帽子底下你才能跟我談其他的所以法國可能就是在這沒意見我想問一下私底下 不要私底下我要公開問啊 部長以你合理的部分啊 是不是高一點比較好我還沒啦 我還沒問完啦 |
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三、本院委員賴士葆等19人擬具、「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案案案案。 |
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我還是再次強調,因為剛剛有提到勞動部有說是15到29歲去做一個這個不管是失業的探討 |
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所以我就覺得30歲以下不管24到29不管是24以下或者是29以下都應該我們有共識就是30歲以下都要照顧不管是第一次就業或是第二次就業而且我們就再一次的強調現在要當兵當一年了所以他的這個所謂的讀書完以後可能面臨的是兵役那再來才會去就業那24歲以下能實際照顧到的人有限所以我們還是再一再的強調雖然財政部有自己的一個租稅公平 |
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首先啊,原則上我們對於中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二我們都會全力的支持不管行政院版還是國民黨版、國委員版但是我以前修改的話我看起來都是作假的你現在想想看大學畢業生財政部長部長妹妹們你坐著聽著就可以 |
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大學畢業生是在22歲到23歲,你24歲以下那時還要準備就業,還有一些服兵役的問題。所以那時候是假的,表面上是很照顧年輕人,其實是作假的。所以即使你要重新的思考,剛剛有很多委員提出來,服兵役在一年大概到24歲到25歲,所以改成29歲是合理的。 |
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這個期間剛剛當完兵學校畢業還要接受社會的磨練所以你不要想到財政部只想收入你要以小換大那你給我們資料如果你反對29歲29歲這邊的減除立法大概會減少你們多少收入你不要一面的排斥點到問題你就要了解了 |
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還有我們的經濟部中小企業你拿出來現在啊你那個加成減除率提高到150%但是是120%只增加了欸130%只增加了20%不痛不癢沒有給人家有感覺所以我主張啊這個 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具 |
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我相信對於財政的稅收不會差很多,像我們台電虧了那麼多都補助大企業那麼多了,對一般平民百姓稍微放寬一下,不要在那小地方輕輕去繳,謝謝。接下來我們請張其康委員,張其康委員,好,紅門海文準備。 |
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我剛剛第一次發言有特別整理一下我目前的九個黨團或者是立委的那個提案嘛裡面有五個都已經提到兩百以上了所以我剛剛同意剛剛田偉講的就是我記得至少要是二字頭而且看起來提案最多的是兩百二十所以我建議就是盡可能往兩百二十這個而要有感啦要不然修這個法老實講幫助上也在二字頭以下基本上就 |
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adequa給他一個比較友善的這個職場他們願意回來或是延長他們的這個就這個工作的時間點那這次既然已經要修這個法嘛剛剛都已經講了年輕人要在30歲以下啦那65歲以上是不是我們給在這個減除力上面都給他一些好定這個減除力250%謝謝好接下來洪孟凱委員36之二齁已經不是第一次例所以我覺得這一次修法就要到位 |
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那既然要到位經濟部、勞動部、財政部三個部會要共同合作因為財政部一定不願意放經濟部一定希望加強力道嘛勞動部一定希望是能夠照顧到勞工嘛我們都認同我也認為說這是各部會本位主義應該但是要去統和所以本席才會講是說現在不是在擦傷 |
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厲一、勞動部講29歲以下是失業等於是這樣的一個計算我們在這一次的修法就一定要涵括29歲以下這第一個部分人的部分第二勞動部方也說了有高齡這個 |
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較為年長跟高齡一個分別是45歲以上一個是65歲以上這兩個級距也應該要把握所以才會講說45歲以上也許有一個級距但65歲以上能夠有再多一個級距因為這樣子能夠促進我們整個勞動市場的一個活路 |
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勞動市場絕對不是只有勞動部的工作。我開宗明義在直學的時候就講,經濟部很重要。你如果說公司都沒有人來上班的話,那你經濟怎麼會好?不可能。所以65歲以上當然需要去有更大的誘因去加強。那另外多少的這樣的一個額度?有175、有200、有220。 |
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應該分配去做這樣的一個集聚的一個展現所以我比較具體建議啦我知道超委真的非常辛苦我比較具體建議我們 |
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18599.611 |
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adequ部分三十六條之二保留送協商那在這一個月的協商的冷凍期裡面三個部會開會把版本整理出來分別依照今天我們委員的發言內容29歲以下並集聚以及45歲以上還有65歲以上並集聚以及訂這個稅額出來 |
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那財政部就要有把關的責任跟精算的責任。勞動部要捍衛勞工權益。經濟部應該去想是說怎麼樣來能夠有效提出來。民眾是真的覺得有感的。而不是說我們十年後還是我們在這一次修還是修一個不痛不癢的版本。那你這樣子延長十年沒有意義。 |
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18643.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
閱讀委託 |
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18661.852 |
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18679.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
bicy,行政院版以及國民黨團、民進黨團、民眾黨團各一個版本大家來進行討論,這樣四個版本也許會比較容易聚焦,那也比較能夠釐清,但這樣子也才能真真正正我們要趕在最快的速度能夠把這個36條之二給修正通過嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
18680.34 |
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18680.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
財政部 |
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18720.242 |
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cellence 財政部到底有沒有去算過每一個委員的版本包括220、175你們的稅損是多少這個財政部有沒有去算過然後第二個第二個齁剛剛講勞動部勞動部有說對於65歲以上的再就業你們有補貼是補貼給雇主還是補貼給 |
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18723.574 |
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18723.834 |
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閱讀《中小企業發展條例》 |
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18746.681 |
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18748.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
adequate to the tax benefits. |
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18748.342 |
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18749.542 |
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I agree with that. |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
18749.542 |
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18752.143 |
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So, I don't know if you guys have calculated it. |
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18752.143 |
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18758.166 |
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It looks like the opinions of the various committee members are quite different. |
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18758.166 |
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18761.127 |
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So, I agree that we can keep Song Xiesheng. |
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18761.127 |
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18766.05 |
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Personally, I don't think we should insist on the age part. |
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18766.05 |
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18771.052 |
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If it's really under 29 years old, we can let him have such a tax benefits. |
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18775.354 |
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This also depends on the labor department's |
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好,那我也建議其實財政部跟經濟部我也請向多給一些支持,讓這些中小企業能夠有多一點的空間,那盡量把這個盤點出來,那讓委員會大家知道說我們再來抄一箱再來處理。 |
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18836.71 |
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好 謝謝 那這個主席台這邊齁 綜合大家寶貴的意見 行政部門各部門 那麼你們也充分聽清楚那當然在我們的討論當中呢 將近半個鐘頭大家對於怎麼樣照顧中小企業 大家都有共識年齡級距30歲以下也都有一個認同 朝野都有認同 那我也希望行政部門來支持 那現在 |
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就是目前不管勞動部不管國發會不管財政部你們目前所做的執行方案政策都不足以符合目前社會所需要所以雖然你們有本位但是也不因為本位而去抹煞了 |
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則三、本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具 «中小企業發展條例第三十六條之三條文修正草案案。 |
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三十六條之四條文修正草案案。 |
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來,有民眾黨的版本跟本席的版本,來。是為了鼓勵這個中小企業投資在人才培訓,還有品牌發展跟健全會計制度。所以我們在這個條文裡面增訂。這個條文本來講的是說,中小企業在投資下列用途的時候,支出的這個金額30%, |
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adequum人才培訓跟品牌發展對台灣來講很重要。那健全會計制度雖然剛剛財政部在我質詢的時候有表達你們的意見但是呢你說其他的部分都已經在做我還是再次強調因為目前的政策執行面沒有辦法符合那所以如果是在這個 |
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adequate三年,以前我們有投資抵減五年的。這個對於我們中小企業來講是幫助很大。那如果說在人才培訓品牌發展跟健全會計制度去把它擬定出來,而且能夠在它的平均者超過的部分按百分之五十來抵減。我覺得這個對我們中小企業來講,它是一個可以循序漸進幫助的 |
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adequa方案。所以我們也敬請行政部門來支持。其他委員有沒有要發表?基本上大方要我支持。但是我還是覺得這個政策或者修法要有它的政策修法的效果。第一個支出百分之三十。三十要經過精算。為什麼不是四十?為什麼不是五十?然後這個三點我沒有意見。然後以那個所稅額抵減的部分 |
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這不是經濟有化解受力,化解受力我也要化,對吧?我也要寫寫修正東西,化解受力。這樣,人家想法是以理服人,以數據服人,以科學來立法。所以我剛剛這個部分,如果在一個月,請財政部跟經濟部針對本市所提出的相關的數據,你要去做精算。再變成這個草擬協商,我們再來處理。 |
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好謝謝,那我們請最後我們請戴瑞文委員,謝謝。好一樣齁,我也是要請經濟部跟財政部也再算一下了好不好,就是他所,這樣的條文的話會產生多大一個產業上的一個效益。另外,稅損的部分是不是也估出來給委員會參考了好不好。我也建議在查理協商再一併來處理,謝謝。 |
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好,謝謝。那我們最後請侯孟楷委員來。好,因為財政部今天的一個報告只有講說審慎考量,但是沒有任何數據。所以本席很具體的講,我們這個保留那送協商,那在協商的時候請財政部這邊要具體算出來,那我們支持這樣的方向。 |
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你說那個不管是百分之三十還是這個百分之五十的抵檢的部分可以請用數據來說服委員而不是說審慎考量四個字我覺得這樣子鐵板一塊沒有幫助我們支持這個修法方向所以說這個修法要保留只是到底數額多少請提供數據我們再來做討論謝謝 |
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響鐘 |
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因為會提出法案的部分不管是數據我們都有所本地提出58是超過30%之後所超越的那一個區塊的50%的一半去抵減 |
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bicyncyn地去抵檢。所以呢,我想要請教行政部門,剛剛有委員就是說一樣併36條之二的部分,請你們再去試算清楚。那這個方向,中小企業應該這個方向是朝這個方向來進行嗎?是不是?請做說明。 |
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跟委員報告,就是說剛剛委員的意見我們就帶回去,我們來跟財政部這邊再來研究。另外就是說,其實現在政府都有很多的專案都在做,人賠、品牌這些專案,我們都還是持續在做。當然就是說,現在用租稅的方法鼓勵中小企業他們多投入的話, |
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這個我們再回去再評估一下那個效果。就朝這個方向嘛。我要再一次強調齁,中小企業,目前你們所做的不管什麼樣的方案,就是沒有達到人民產業界所需。所以不要再重複那一句話,我們有很多在做,你自打嘴巴嘛! |
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就是因為不符合目前的所需,我們才要再提出啊。要符合幹嘛大家坐在這邊,好不好。大家一起來協助中小企業嘛。你故意人,你不要再講那一句話了。一直重複一直重複,動不掉。 |
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好吧,好,那綜合大家討論,充分地討論三十六條之四的部分,原則以民眾黨以及本席所提案的這個方向,那但是請行政部門再詳實去將你們 |
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第四十條 |
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每一個委員的版本應該都一樣嗎?有沒有?有沒有?不一樣不一樣。有民眾黨、有國民黨、有張志倫委員、王世堅委員、還有邱映委員。來有沒有?文字看一下。來,哪裡不一樣?都不一樣。哪裡不一樣?其實就是延長十年啦。對不對?你這就是延長十年做解套嘛。 |
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請宣讀協商結論。 |
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中小企業發展條例協商結論第一條照台灣民眾黨黨團提案通過第二條照行政院及委員邱毅英等人提案通過第七條之一不予增訂第三十五條照行政院提案通過 |
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厲三十六條之二行政院版與所有委員提案及各委員所提修正動議均保留送院會處理。厲三十六條之三趙行政院提案及委員邱益寅等人提案通過。厲三十六條之四委員楊瓊英等人臺灣民眾黨團提案均保留送院會處理。厲三十九條趙行政院提案及委員邱益寅等人提案通過。厲四十條趙行政院提案通過宣讀完畢。 |
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好,那請問同仁,照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過,請問有異議?沒有,那我們就通過。那討論事項所列的中小企業發展條例部分條文修正草案並審查完略,那寧據審查報告提議院會討論。那請問,就要協商。 |
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需協商,院會討論時由本席說明,通過條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事組人員整理。 |
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議員議員議員 |
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議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查：事由：審查： |