| IVOD_ID |
15864 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15864 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-01T08:31:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-01T13:15:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:43:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e648a477557a3c475ae17401902c909943be8d109af184be4ab15bad31e570b245ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、國家發展委員會、勞動部就「如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低現象，導引企業與勞工共享獲利，提升我國勞工實質薪資」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:18 - 13:15:00 |
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好,我們請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員移除法定人數好,主席宣布現在開始開會請議事人員宣布上次會議意思 |
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1914.915 |
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1937.982 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議．事由．時間中華民國113年4月22日星期一9時1分至13時21分．地點清仙樓九樓大禮堂．出席委員林德福等14人．列席委員黃國昌等14人．列席官員財政部部長莊翠穎．經濟監督管理委員會主任委員黃天牧等．主席羅昭君的名才報事項．先讀上次會議事錄．決定議事錄確定 |
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1939.782 |
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1954.95 |
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討論事項,依審查娛樂稅法6案,依本院委員徐富鬼等17人、委員陳秀寶等18人、委員羅賓才等19人、委員王世堅等23人,分別擬拒娛樂稅法第二條及第五條挑援修正草案等4案,本院委員黃傑等19人、委員羅賓才等16人,分別擬廢止娛樂稅法等2案。 |
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1958.511 |
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1978.405 |
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審查保險法三案本院委員羅明財等17人拟據保險法第146條知事條文修正草案本院委員蔡宇宜等19人委員王洪威等16人分別拟據保險法第177條條文修正草案等二案審查人民情願有關娛樂稅法三案中華民國高爾夫協會為懲請廢除高爾夫娛樂稅請願文書案中華民國高爾夫球場事業協定會為請加速檢討娛樂稅法廢除高爾夫項目請願文書案 |
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1988.372 |
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1992.428 |
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社團法的中華民國表演藝術協會 會建議修正娛樂社法勤務人數案 |
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1994.449 |
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討論事項個案合併詢答。經委員王世堅、徐富鬼、羅明才、王洪威說明提案要旨。財政部部長莊翠雲及經濟建築管理委員會主任委員黃天沐回應委員法律提案後。藉由委員林德甫等事件提出質詢。均經財政部部長莊翠雲等予以說明及答覆。決議予以說明及答覆。詢答完畢。二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊。請相關部會於一周內予以說明答覆。委員力要求期限者從其鎖定。三、討論事項個案均另經歷則及 |
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好 因為現場的這個委員人數還不夠我想請議事人宣讀今日的議程邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部國家發展委員會、勞動部就．如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低現象．導引企業與勞工共享獲利．提升我國勞工實質薪資．進行專題報告．並備質詢。．宣傳並 |
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好,我們原來介紹在場的這個委員官員首先介紹我們資深的委員吳秉瑞吳委員我們行政院主計總處主計長朱澤民、朱仙我們綜合統計處我們蔡玉泰、蔡處長我們國事普查處我們潘玲欣、潘處長 |
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2079.163 |
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2101.012 |
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財政部阮清華政務次長陳柏成署長宋秀琳署長彭英偉署長鄭國基署長謝明峰副主任經濟部林全能常務次長許嘉琳副司長黃偉傑副處長 |
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2107.167 |
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2131.656 |
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陳文辰經濟參事陳佩麗副署長吳嘉穎副署長劉雅娟副署長國家發展委員會副主任時刻和時間人力發展處謝佳儀處長邱麗婷專委勞動部許傳聖政務次長 |
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2141.155 |
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2159.104 |
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我們勞動條件及就業平等師黃偉生黃市長我們中緊急副署長好那以上官員介紹到這邊那我們現場的這一個委員已經到達法定人數請問各位委員對上次的議事錄有異議 |
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2161.558 |
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2185.828 |
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沒有異議意思錄確定今日的議程安排邀請行政院主計處朱主計長、財政部莊部長、經濟部、國家發展委員會及勞動部就如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低現象．導引企業與勞工共享獲利．提升我國勞工實質薪資．進行專題報告現在我們就請行政院主計處朱主計長進行專題報告 |
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2191.95 |
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2210.862 |
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請掌握重點,朱主席是,主席各位委員你是先針對貴委員貴導是有關提升我國勞工實質薪資請提出專題報告如下因為第一個是說我們的一個國內GDP的分配面的結構因為GDP分配面 |
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2214.083 |
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2237.295 |
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可以考量是有生產及進口稅就是主要是關稅、貨物稅、營業稅等以及固定資本消耗準備這個是責救以及受僱人員報酬是薪資以及營業營餘的不過我在這邊跟各位報告因為我們的營業營餘有包括自營、就業者就是所謂的一般 |
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2238.315 |
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2265.517 |
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就是說在家自營作業的附加價值的困難所以他很難區分說哪一個是勞動或資本那我們按照一般國民所投的一個統計是把它歸入在營業營餘所以說這個營業營餘裡面有包括自營作業者的一個報酬有那個第二頁裡面的那個表一我們可以看到目前他們的一個分配是這個是 |
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2266.898 |
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2288.648 |
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是說GDP就分配面來看因為GDP有生產面有分配面而受僱人員報酬都維持在百分之最近幾年都是在百分之四十三四左右跟早期的七十年代的所謂百分之四十九受僱人員報酬有下降而營業盈餘這個是怎麼樣 |
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2291.349 |
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2312.161 |
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是有大概上升了3、4個百分點固定資產消耗準備是所謂的折舊生產期進口稅到大概都維持著百分之五在左右不過我在這邊必須跟各位報告那個所謂的像表二的話我們就可以看到所謂的受僱人員報酬比較 |
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2313.444 |
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2334.328 |
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比重比較高的行業它的每人的薪資不一定低我們可以看到這個表號裡面電子零組件的製造業因為它是一個資本密集的報酬資本密集的一個行業所以在資本的報酬所占的比重比較低所以它涉及的報酬是只有25.4%可是相對的比起來全國的工業是41%或者是38.4% |
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2344.331 |
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2370.191 |
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這個電子零組件它的分配面的分配是比較少可是它的個人的薪資是反而比較高我們可以看到每人每月的平均薪資大概有近10萬塊錢那另外一個像住室節餐飲業因為它是一個勞動密集的行業所以它勞動報酬的分配的比例比較高所以我們可以看到有這個裡面它是這個 |
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2372.773 |
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2388.408 |
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分配面的薪資分配面是有62.5可是它的一個平均每一個人的薪資反而是36.1也就是在這邊跟各位報告一下就是說分配比例比較高 |
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2389.554 |
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2411.677 |
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低的他的薪水不一定低或是高分配比例比較高的他的薪水也不一定高這個是跟各位要報告說明的接著目前因為這個受僱人的報酬占GPT比重的一個原因主要看第4頁他有些是 |
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是跟產業的透心有關是因為製造業它的涉股報酬比服務業高這個大家都很清楚第二個是那個製造業我們的一個占GDP的比例因為在前些時候在前些年的時候 |
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因為我們產業外移是這個時候國內的薪資比重比較低但是最近兩年到最近幾年到那我們又開始產業又回來所以製造業比較高的他的薪資就比較高另外一個跟生產模式有關係因為像有些行業到有些行業到他是像他的那個 |
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接單、研發、規劃、運籌都是在國內可是它的生產是在國外所以是說它國內的員工薪水高可是它的那個生產行為不在那個台灣那個是像有些企業尤其在那個生產基地是在國外的在中國大陸或者在東南亞的它的生產、研發、運籌這個都 |
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就是規劃這個接單研發規劃運酬在國內所以他的這些員工比較多可是他在國內的員工比較少所以他的那個在國內的那個薪資 |
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每一個人的薪資高可是整個分配面的薪資比例就比較低另外一個是跟就業的型態有關係因為我們大概自營就業這個是有高達130萬人那在這個我剛才有提到我們這個自營就業我們都是把它根據國民所得的統計我們根據國基金的管理都是我們把它分配在營業營業裡面 |
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接著我們可以看到那個是第6頁我們可以看到平均薪資的總薪資的增加率我們是怎麼樣過年度都有一些差異最近大家都提 |
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總薪資的一個成長率有比較低甚至有些年度是負的不過我必須在這邊跟各位報告一下也就是第7月的倒數第二行這個是怎麼樣這個112年到7月獲利不佳員工平均總薪資是僅增加0.7 |
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2595.605 |
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扣除物價以後的實質總薪資是負的但是我們在今年的二月份的實質總薪資已經轉為正成長以上跟各位委員報告 敬請各位委員執政 謝謝好 謝謝朱主計長的報告 緊接著我們請財政部我們阮次長 |
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2607.389 |
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2624.123 |
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主席、各位委員先進、大家早安今天陳貴文會邀請就如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低現象．導引企業與勞工共享獲利．提升我國勞工實質薪資．進行專題報告．並備質詢以下請就近年為鼓勵企業為員工加薪、流產難財及減輕受薪民眾 |
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2634.531 |
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2645.518 |
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租稅負擔的各項租稅措施提出報告．進行解釋要第一鼓勵企業為員工加薪、流產、攬產的租稅誘因依照現行的所謂稅法規定企業為了 |
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2647.907 |
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2663.545 |
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員工加薪的薪資費用．可以認列為相關的費用．何時反映企業成本．減輕所得稅負．另外為鼓勵企業為基層員工．加薪105年．修正中小企業發展條例36條之後． |
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2668.11 |
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2691.833 |
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對於中小企業在經濟景氣指數達到一定的情形之下為本國極限基層員工加薪金額得案130%至當年度營利事業所得額中減除該項租借優惠將於今年的5月19日實行屆滿為鼓勵中小企業為基層員工加薪協助中企業留用人才 |
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2693.355 |
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2704.171 |
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經濟部已經會同本部研議中小企業租稅優惠的修正草案其中為提高中小企業為基層人工加薪的誘因刪除相關啟動的門檻並將基層的 |
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2709.638 |
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2738.481 |
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員工加薪的薪資費用加成減除率由130%提高到150%及延長施行10年該修正草案經行政院於本月4月18日還請大院審議希望能夠進一步鼓勵企業為員工來加薪導引企業跟勞工共享獲利第三個為協助公司留住 |
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2739.582 |
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2752.759 |
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優秀人才並鼓勵員工參與公司經營分享營運成果產業創新條例第19條的相關規定提供員工獎酬股票可以選擇按照取得試價或實際轉賬價格兩者折一來課稅 |
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2759.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2780.519 |
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財政部重視壽星民眾的權益,今年以採行相關的減輕壽星民眾租稅負擔措施,包括條高綜合所得稅扣除額度及基本生活所需的費用,減輕薪資所得者租稅的負擔。本部今年 |
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2781.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2790.021 |
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推動多項所得稅優化措施．包括107年度實施所得稅制優化方案．大幅度調高4項扣除額的金額．108年度增列長期照顧特別扣除額．113年度調高 |
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2798.607 |
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2819.878 |
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右扣跟房屋租金的特別扣除額。另外,為了因應物價上漲公告條高,106年、111年還有113年度的適用免稅額標準扣除額,新知所得及身心障礙特別扣除額可以減輕受薪民眾的租稅負擔。 |
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2821.363 |
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2842.53 |
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為了保障納稅者家戶基本生活所需的費用不受到課稅的權利依照納稅者權益保護法的相關規定公告112年度每年基本生活費用為20.2萬元比上一年度增加6000元預估受益的戶數是達到235萬戶 |
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2847.031 |
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2857.699 |
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以112年度為例．單身的薪資所得者連所得42.3萬元以下．雙薪家庭連所得84.6萬元以下．雙薪四口家庭．連所得在127萬元以下．都可以免納所得稅．有助提升勞工實際薪資 |
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2873.571 |
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2893.03 |
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調高員工伙食費免納入員工薪資所得課稅,為了合理反映用餐消費物價變動的影響,減輕相關負擔。將員工的伙食費免列入薪資所得的額度調高為每月3千元,並從112年1月起開始試用。 |
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2919.345 |
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員工自提的勞工退休金免稅優惠部分為落實照顧瘦薪階層退休人員的社會政策勞工在每月工資的60%範圍內自願提繳退休金不需要計入提繳連續薪資所的課稅 |
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2922.178 |
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2945.432 |
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為提高中小企業為員工加薪的誘因提升基層員工的實際薪資水準本部配合經濟部主管政策目的及產業需求提供相關的租稅優惠及提供多項的租稅措施來減輕相關民眾的租稅負擔本部將根據配合政府的政策跟社會經濟環境的發展 |
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2947.313 |
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2971.679 |
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在兼顧財政收入租稅公平及稅政簡化等原則事實檢討各項規定的合理性及推動各項租稅改革措施來符合社會期待營造友善的負稅環境以上報告 敬請各位委員指教謝謝好 謝謝阮次長的專題報告接著我們請經濟部我們林昶志學人先生的進行專題報告請講一點 |
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2979.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
3006.808 |
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主席、各位委員以下經濟部就如何改善受僱人員報酬占GDP比重偏低現象提出專題報告首先就受僱人員報酬的概況進行說明經濟成長的成果可以分配到受僱人員的報酬營業營與資本設備固定資本消耗以及生產及進口稅額等四個面向臺灣受僱人員報酬占GDP比重於79年達到51.1% |
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3008.829 |
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3028.479 |
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之後隨我國產業結構逐步轉型資本密集產業．企業攤體施設備折舊金而增加．固定資本消耗比重上揚．壓縮受僱人員報酬的占比．但在政府持續提高基本工資．調升軍公教人員薪資．及鼓勵企業跟進加薪等措施下． |
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3029.279 |
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3032.344 |
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111 年受僱人員報酬持續增加 5.8%．帶動受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重由 110 年的 43.1%．回升至 43.9%．增加 0.8%． |
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3044.423 |
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3049.289 |
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此外,由於臺灣中小企業比例高達98%,111年1,142萬人的就業人口當中,其中僱主、自營作業者等人數占比約15%,其所得並未記錄受僱人員報酬,而是記錄營業盈餘 |
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3064.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3078.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
影響受僱人員報酬的占比．另與經濟結構相近的雅齡相比．台灣受僱人員報酬占GDP比重．優於新加坡．劣低於韓國．新加坡長期維持在4成左右．低於台灣．111年更 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
3080.063 |
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3102.595 |
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降至35.2%是由統計以來最低韓國在疫情期間營業營業與成長停滯近年調高基本工資在企業獲利減少下受僱人員報酬占比相對變高二就薪資的概況進行說明112年臺灣全體受僱員工每人每月總薪資平均約為58,420元 |
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3105.737 |
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3110.92 |
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而年增大約0.65%,近8年平均成長2.23%,其中製造業為62,492元,近8年平均每年成長2.99%,高於整體平均。以電子零組件 |
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3122.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3139.466 |
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業薪資九萬四千六百九十元．平均成長4.96%最高．凸顯臺灣高科技產業的實力．一百一十二年受俄烏戰爭．僵持以哈衝突持續等地緣歧視影響．全球通膨升溫．各國實質薪資成長多受． |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
3140.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3152.233 |
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一致我國112年實質總薪資在考量物價因素後轉為副成長1.79%日本及韓國一分別連減1.95%以及1.09%且連續兩年副成長顯示在全球景氣緩緩及通膨壓力下壓縮實質金資的成長空間三就因應對策來進行說明首先我們協助產業提升附加價值創造高值就業的機會 |
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3169.201 |
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3190.499 |
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第一個,我們應用臺灣半導體產業的優勢﹐發展高負價價值的產業﹐這包括臺灣半導體產業的供應鏈的能量的發展﹐我們發展高負價價值的產業﹐推動石化業者及機械業者投入半導體的材料﹐以及半導體的設備的自主化﹐來創造更多高薪的就業機會﹐ |
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3192.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3217.752 |
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加速傳統產業及中小企業升級轉型首先我們運用醫後特別預算﹐擴大提供輔導、補助及人培﹐加強協助產業低碳化跟智慧化的轉型協助重點中小型傳統產業﹐如基礎製品、食品、紡織、塑像膠等運用雲端數位科技提升營運效率及數位程度﹐加速智慧化轉型的 |
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3218.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3241.01 |
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推動工作,三,透過專家輔導與資金的補助導引9人以下製造業運用數位化工具及節能減排做法升級轉型以加持員工多元的技能穩定就業及薪資的狀況第四,協助運用科技及商業模式創新加速轉型提升企業獲利的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3243.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3267.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
另外,我們運用政策優惠的工具鼓勵中小企業為員工加薪首先,我們優化中小企業加薪抵減租稅優惠的措施為提升企業加薪的意願經濟部提出中小企業發展條例修正草案並以函請大院來審議草案規劃刪除經濟景氣指數達一定情形之啟動門檻同時提高薪資費用加成減除率到150% |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3269.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3291.175 |
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適用薪資換偶也將配合修法域擴大至6.2萬元．並納入竹林滾動的調整機制．讓更多的基層員工來受惠．提供企業加薪的誘因我們部裡面提供相關的補助計畫．為企業加薪的企業來做加分的項目．包括我們中小 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3292.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3304.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我們經濟部中小型企業的一個創新研發計畫以及建構零售暨服務業數據共享、創新服務及服務業創新研發補助等等。第三,我們吸引關鍵的臺外資企業來臺,創造優質的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
3309.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3333.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
機會：去年橋外資的金額創16年第三高：包括美商、微軟、Google、庫蓬、新加坡、星展銀行等外商：投資臺灣超過112.5億美元。第二：以半導體產業為例：持續獲得國際知名的企業：包括荷蘭商艾斯摩爾、日商東京威力科創公司：以及德商默克集團等相繼宣布加碼投資臺灣：足強化臺灣半導體產業的供應： |
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3336.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3349.537 |
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令的任性之外．並創造許多高薪的工作機會。第三．我們投資臺灣三大方案至108年實施以來．促成指標大廠移回高階產線．完善發展國內的上下游的產業鏈．以吸引1472家企業．投資超過2.2兆元．預估對 |
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3359.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3385.982 |
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這個就業的機會會創造逾15.1萬個本國的就業機會第四提升員工專業的技能來創造加薪的條件首先我們105年開始辦理產業人才能力鑑定也就是IPAS這樣的考試透過業界正面的迴響據統計IPAS考試獲證者初步求職成功率高達9成以上相較勞動部職業類別的薪資調查結果IPAS出任平均薪資 |
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比一般的出任人員高出 10% 以上。第二,針對商業服務數位轉型及國際拓展之人才需求﹐辦理中高階領導人才的課程﹐培養數位轉型營運及國際拓展之人才專業知識技能。三,中小企業網路大學的辦理提供資訊科技、財務溶通及行銷、流通等逾 800 門的線上課程﹐協助中小企業從業人員提升職場的競爭力。 |
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最後要跟各位委員來報告．中小企業吸納臺灣八省的就業．為提高中小企業加薪的誘因．留住人才．經濟部推動中小企業．發展條例修法．優化加薪費用減除租稅優惠的措施．以達成鼓勵中小企業．加薪留用人才的目標．禁判委員予以支持．同時經濟部也持續． |
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協助產業提升競爭力加速朝向高值化方向發展營造有力加薪的產業發展環境以上報告謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員、女士先生、大家早安。陳文貴委員會邀請就如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低現象．導引企業與勞工共享獲利．提升我國勞工實質薪資專題．本會請報告如下．敬請各位委員先進指教 |
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我國收入人員報酬占 GDP 相較其他國家為低．主要受到我國產業特性及就業型態影響．包括製造業受僱報酬占 GDP 比重較服務業低．我國製造業因生產活動及強化競爭力所需．朝自動化與資本密集發展．致折舊比重較高且需保有較高盈餘．因應不確定風險．加上產線作業僱用移工情形相對服務業高．致製造業受僱報酬占 GDP 比重較服務業為低．此為各國普遍現象． |
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我國製造業GDP占比快速提升近年因廠商積極擴增國內製造製造業GDP占比顯著提升且擴大與先進國家之間的差距由於製造業受僱報酬占比相對服務業為低至整體受僱報酬占比亦相對偏低 |
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在就業形態方面,我國雇主、自營作業者、無酬家屬工作者等非受僱就業人數占比,相對其他先進工業國為高。此類就業者所得的紀錄營業盈餘估占 GDP 比重約 5.8%,未與受僱報酬合併為勞動報酬觀察占 GDP 比重,與其他國家差距應可縮小。 |
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在我國提升薪資的相關做法第一,持續調漲基本工資制定最低工資法為保障入職勞工基本生活所需政府已連續8次調漲基本工資 |
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3588.623 |
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此外政府亦提升最低工資審議機制法律位階勞工募資訂資最低工資法已於今年實施未來最低工資的調整將更透明更公開更合理審議制度將更加健全讓勞工有更完善的保障第二透過各項法規措施促進企業將成長果實分享員工那如同剛才之前各部位的報告我這邊就先略過 |
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3613.741 |
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至於在推動產業轉型升級的部分創造高薪就業機會政府持續推動六大核心戰略產業及投資臺灣三大方案創造高薪優質就業機會經濟部、財政部等修正產創條例及所得稅法等法令有利於企業提升競爭力改善所得分配令經濟部亦以修正公司法 |
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放寬員工獎酬工具．發放對象．並強化企業與員工共享獲益．透過各項措施．政府積極營造．促進薪資成長的良性制度及環境．讓全民共享經濟發展成果政府將持續透過調整最低工資 |
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3650.299 |
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促進企業薪資透明化．推動各項法規鼓勵企業分潤．推動產業發展創造高薪就業機會等做法．營造促進薪資成長的良心制度與環境．讓全民共享經濟發展成果．未來也將創造更加公平且有尊嚴的勞動環境繼續努力．以上報告進行各位委員先進指教謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員、理事先生、大家好今天會委員會安排如何改善受僱人員報酬占 GDP 比重偏低的現象導引企業與勞工共享獲利提升我國勞工實質薪資專題報告本部應邀列席說明並聆聽各位委員之教育、自感榮幸以下緊究定期檢討最低工資強化工會協商能力促進招募職缺薪資透明 |
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及推動相關就業方案等方向進行說明。一、定期檢討最低工資 |
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為保障基層員工的權益自蔡總統上任以來政府每年監討基本工資且逐年調漲每月基本工資調整8次由新台幣2萬08元提升至2萬7470元總條幅約37.3%那時薪調整9次由120元提升至183元總條幅達52.5% |
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另外,最低工資法已在今年上路實施,接續基本工資保障基層勞工的經濟生活本部將於第三季召開最低工資審議會,審慎決定最低工資的數額 |
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我國今年基本工資採溫和穩健方式調整．也帶動整體平均薪資成長．而本部向來認同經濟成長的果實應由勞資雙方分享．我們更呼籲僱主適度為所有員工加薪．以利留財二、強化工位協商實力 |
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為強化公會的協商實力本部持續透過培訓、集體協商人員、領聘專家入場輔導、勞資協商嚴定團體協商有關行政指引及提供簽訂團體協約、獎勵措施等多元的行政作為促使勞資雙方簽訂團體協約以增進勞工福祉並穩定勞資關係目前已有諸多公會僱主 |
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3815.857 |
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透過團體協商．將條薪或年終分紅獎金等利潤分享條款．納入團體協約中．三．促進招募職缺薪資透明化．為促進薪資資訊的透明化．牢固雙方資訊的對稱． |
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3834.293 |
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以107年修正公布《就業服務法》第5條第二項第6款之規定規範僱主、招募或僱用員工只缺資經常性薪資未達4萬元者應公開揭示或告知其薪資範圍如有違反將處6萬元以上、30萬元以下的罰款 |
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3839.541 |
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3853.26 |
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推動投資青年就業方案．亦後改善缺工．擴大就業方案推動投資青年就業方案第二期關注青年薪資問題為協助青年就業本部在112年到115年會根據推動 |
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3871.61 |
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投資青年就業方案第二期．對焦青年就業、薪資等五大議題．推動大專青年的育拼計畫．鼓勵重點產業提供技術職缺．育拼青年進行工作崗位的訓練．提供獎勵金 |
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3886.278 |
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鼓勵青年取得重點產業的證照．87年具備．爭取薪資之優勢．方案預計協助共80萬名青年就業．專科以上畢業生．畢業一年後提繳工資於115年提升至4.2萬元． |
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那我們在112年已經協助21.2萬名的青年就業那專科以上應屆畢業生一年之後的勞退提繳工資已經至111年的3.9萬元提升到112年的4.1萬元第二我們持續推動疫後改善缺工擴大就業方案 |
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設定專案職缺與合理薪資為舒緩易後基層產業人力缺工問題本部自112年5月到113年6月事辦推動《易後改善缺工擴大就業方案》透過我們跨部會合作會商機制設定專案職缺合理薪資條件 |
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3940.504 |
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辦理專案媒合跟提供勞工就業的一個獎勵以上報告進行各位委員指教並祝主席各位委員身體健康萬事如意謝謝 |
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3968.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3973.471 |
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謝謝主席與會各列席機關的首長是不是請那個朱主計長有請朱主計長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3986.877 |
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主席長你好主席長我請教因為這個勞動部有公布數據就是2023年這個職場新鮮人的薪資平均數為3.5萬年增2.9%但是民眾 |
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4020.888 |
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講實在話是很無感啦那實質薪資是不是都被通膨整個吃掉您的看法勒跟那個委員報告一下我沒有看到勞動部的那個統計因為我們沒有分什麼叫新鮮人就是剛入職的新鮮人因為齁 |
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4025.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
4048.015 |
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那個我跟委員報告一下因為一般平均數都會比中位數高平均數會比中位數高所以用平均數的話就會大概會有很多人說我比平均數低所以在我們的統計上我們都有所謂的中位數的統計我們大概是每年都有中位數的統計 |
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所以說你是以中位數為主對中位數也許是就是中間嘛就是一半的人在那個中間對所以說是用平均數的話我可以跟委員報告平均數中位數大概只有平均數的百分之七十幾中位數是比較低所以說你認為中位數是比較合理是不是中位數的比較也許比較合理但是講實在話雖然說 |
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4076.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4095.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
新鮮人他的薪資統計說有達到3萬5但是他們是無感的那你無感當然3萬5的話如果是按照這個比例中位數大概可能不到3萬塊因為他們無感是不是給通膨 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4103.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
現在我們的物價上漲率最近幾個月是在有往下跌的狀態現在比較高的是那個所謂我們擔心油價因為油價減的時候大概80塊現在都在90塊上下徘徊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
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所以說齁那個主計長你認為說這個目前整個通膨下降那應該還不至於這個讓這些新鮮人無感是不是你的看法這個是因為新鮮人有時候有些的那個是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4140.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
財政部副主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
4159.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4185.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
回歸在員工的薪水上面那這部分你認為到底這些就是獲利的這些企業有沒有做到應該要把他獲利的部分提撥給員工來作為對那個委員的一個共享是很好那我們也希望企業能夠往這方面做大家共同來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4186.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
主計長澤民 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
4214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4217.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我認為那個本來你企業賺錢就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4218.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
主計總處朱主計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
4246.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
4261.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
因為主計總處和國際貨幣基金 IMF 現在都上調臺灣今年的經濟成長率的預測值但是 IMF 也提到最主要的風險是中國大陸房地產長期的低迷 |
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4263.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
4276.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
需求將受到壓抑．通說也會延續．其他考驗．包括日益擴大的財政赤字．以及美中貿易關係的風險．我請問主計長．你認為中國風險．對台灣經濟的影響．大不大 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4281.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
韓國瑜 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
4315.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
這也是說我們前幾年的一個鼓勵台商回台是一個很正確的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
就是只有鼓勵他回來其他沒有什麼更好的政策對我們這都他們也透過適當的那個管道像那個說像相關的陸委會啦或者是跟他們說當他們台商有的權益應該是給予說依法他們的法來做我們來爭取主計長因為世界經濟論壇WDF特別會議主席 |
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4363.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4390.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
不倫得對於全球經濟展望．發出警報．表示全球債務比例．已攀升到1820年代以來．從未見過的水準．並提出以開發經濟體．以面臨停滯性的通膨風險．呼籲各國採取正確財政措施．以避免全球陷入低成長的困境．我請問主計長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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WEF主席布倫德的兩項警示你認為臺灣要怎麼去因應呢?跟那個委員報告一下這也是我們最近向財政部跟主計總處就努力說讓債務降低我們的債務已經從那個105年我們開始的百分之三十幾降到目前只有百分之二十六點幾所以我們就是 |
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主計長 |
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因為臺灣這幾年的物價上漲都已經讓很多民眾怨聲載道那假如事情預測成真請問經濟復甦力道是不是也會逐漸的打折扣甚至於轉向經濟衰退會不會 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們的一個物價上漲率相對於其他國家來講是委員也非常清楚是說是相對比較低的雖然我們最近幾年有上漲而且最近我們又開始說有下緩的趨勢 |
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所以說你認為應該影響不大就是說我們是相對其他國家是比較好的但是我們還是要注意就是我剛才所講的那一個油價的影響那個 主計長今天委員會要討論這個改善受僱人員報酬占GDP比重偏低的現象並引導企業與勞工共享 |
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來提升勞工實質的薪資其實這個議題在去年10月25號就討論過那對於貧富差距創10年薪高、薪資調整追不上物價的上漲那主計長一直強調透過社福的政策預算來增加的必要性並且強調外界不要污名化社會福利支出是最大的傻逼那我請問主計長 |
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社福預算的增加．對貧富差距縮小．你認為政府目前推動執行的成效．多數民眾都願意認同嗎對,跟那個委員報告一下這個是雖然問題是一樣可是我們今天主席弄這個題目是一個很好的題目大家這個方面還是要繼續努力的那個我可以跟各位講我們的社福占我們的 |
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總預算26%因為我們雖然尊重市場制度但某些弱勢的話它在市場運作之下它是仍然沒有能夠得到適當的生活水準在這個我們必須去說受扶的一些措施仍然繼續必要所以像我們提高最低工資或者是租金補貼或者是其他的長照這一類的東西我們努力的方向 |
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主計長要是多數民眾都能夠認同那為什麼這個民怨會不斷如果無法認同那你認為是不是政府的社福政策做得不夠還是社福政策只能治標沒有辦法治本我跟各位講我們的社福的經費一年現在已經超過那個是在總預算裡面已經我剛才講的大概超過四分之一大概有七千多億的也許我們有適當的財源的話我們可以有更努力的方向 |
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請各位不要誤這個是什麼都對社福的去亂貼說什麼最後一個議題主計長前天主計總處公布國戶統計與家庭財富的分配這個統計時隔30年統計結果和上次有很大的不同那就是30年前台灣前20%最富有的家庭資產 |
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事後20%最貧窮家庭資產的16倍30年後現在兩者資產差距擴大到66倍那我請問主計長貧富差距擴大是不是資本主義國家追進下所產生的必要之惡?你的看法勒? |
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這個是原因之一不過我必須講一般在做比較的時候沒有把最高的百分之二十跟最低的百分之二十在做比較只有台灣喜歡比較我跟委員報告一下因為有些國家它的最低的那一層是負的那個最高的一層跟一個負的比較是沒有意義的所以國外的比較都是用所謂的說 |
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因為屏幕差距創新高政府似乎採取 |
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一手調高社會福利預算一手稅制改革的模式希望能夠緩衝那主計長在某種程度上政府似乎是採用貧富再分配的政策那個貧富再分配要慎重因為那個是否則是很偏向那個共產主義謝謝謝謝林委員的質詢請接著我們請吳秉樂委員質詢 |
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主席麻煩請主組長主組長辛苦了辛苦了這麼多年現在要跟你請教這是我個人的觀點你覺得今天這個題目如何改善受僱人員報酬占GDP比重偏低現象 |
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這個題目這樣子寫就是把受僱人員報酬占GDP比重偏低現象變成是一個肯定句 |
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接下來就是說受僱人員他的報酬跟GDP的比較從剛剛各部會的報告裡面感覺那不是截然的關係啊他是有諸多變量的因素統計的方法不一樣都會造成這個狀況比如說製造業我舉個例子如果你用台積電來講台積電這麼大的員工這麼大的企業他的每年盈餘是這麼的高 |
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那他的授薪、薪水當然就是在裡面比例是相當低跟整個佔比來講的話那問題是台積電的員工每一個員工的薪水是那麼的高是全台灣最高的幾乎是全台灣最高的 |
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對 那個委員剛才講到那個重點是很重要就是我們在主計總處的報告在尤其那個第二頁第三頁那個表以及那個第四頁到第七頁的那個內容我們已經針對這個委員的一個意見就是說要看產業的透性這個是就全國的資料可能就是說 |
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會有這種現象可是個別行業就是您剛才講的像那個電子零組件他的薪資分配2T的那個比例就是說他們薪資分配的那個占那個他的產值的比例大概只有25.4%可是他的薪水卻是接近10萬塊 |
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主席 |
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在比較的嗎?都用受僱人員的報酬占GDP的比重嗎?這個是國民所得統計的一個概念那要看薪資的話還是要看每人的薪資所以不要用這個比例不是應該是在說國民所得占GDP的比重應該是這樣說嘛這個是因為在 |
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在國民所著統計上有生產面跟那個消費面也有一個所謂的一個分配面那個分配面是兩個不同的所以不能夠把各種觀念混在一起然後說這個是怎麼樣同一個問題一直談一直談一直談最後就得出一個結論我們台灣的新製所的占GDP太低了就得出這樣一個標籤化的結果嘛 |
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所以我覺得這個議題不能夠這樣談啦是的 尊重委員的意見好 再來 第二個是剛剛有人 前面的委員談到說中國現在經濟環境非常的糟糕這大家都知道是的那台灣當然會受到很大的影響因為台灣現在對中國港澳出口還佔30點多對 |
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那當然已經大幅下降了從40快將近5成降到大概3成左右可是中國現在發生的現象如果依照這個YouTube上面的這些博主在講全中國現在一個最大的運動叫做RUNRUN就是英文的RUN的翻譯所以中國人都在逃啊都在跑啊有錢人也在跑 |
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一般的人也在跑還要非法入境從南美洲走中美洲從墨西哥然後再偷渡到美國去這樣的人數一直在增加所以從以前那些人就講中國這個地方不是一個合理照我們經濟遊戲模式負擔風險的地方他非經濟因素的風險太多了 |
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對,這我同意委員的觀點,因為他是一個比較管制,管制的話就是他的經濟韌性不強硬把他拉高那政治,他的政治可以干涉一切嘛,政治可以凌駕於一切的規則嘛,所以那個地方如果要去,我們一再講說要風險致富啦就像我們以前有講說,你投資有賺有賠,啊你自己要評估,詳細評估風險 |
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總不能賺到錢的時候說自己很厲害賠到錢都是政府要負責任台商靠自己的聰明才智評估這些風險走全世界很了不起其實很多台商也在跑了 |
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也都在轉移生產基地嘛有很多回來台灣的、貴於返鄉的也有到東南亞去的也有到別的國家去投資的嘛是的所以真正的答案是在這裡面千萬不能說中國的經濟失敗又要台灣政府負責啊 |
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跟那個委員報告一下有些人說我們非常依賴中國的市場事實上我們輸到中國有很多是中間產品中間產品是人家依賴我們我們中間產品去那邊他做末端的加工然後從他那邊出口嘛那一個部分占比光是電子業絕大多數都是這樣嘛那一個也是為什麼 |
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中國一直想要搞我們的鬼想要來對付我們結果他在這一方面沒有辦法像農產品這樣處理的原因因為只有農產品不是終端他們可以不需要台灣的農產品他如果有本事把台灣的電子產品禁掉看看看看那經濟會變成什麼樣子最好台灣的經濟人家都不要用所以我們要一直保持領先的地位就是說不要被替代 |
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中小企業發展條例,立法到現在有多少年? |
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一百零五年實施到現在就一百零五年實施到現在在徵僱本國籍員工的部分部長、財政部次長、阮次長你回答 |
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適用了四五年的時間適用的人數才八千多人影響的稅額才減免了八千萬 |
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立這個法叫立法院立這個法通過了四五年你的檢討出來的減稅額度是這樣所以你這個中小企業發展條例為了延長十年門檻有一些拿掉了對好然後金額提高了到150%對你預估會造成什麼樣的結果會不會跟我們解說一下會產生什麼樣的效應能夠製造出多少的效果 |
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應該是這樣子,我們現在那個就是加成的比例如果從130%提高150%它的效果等於是說它的投資抵減率是10%10%的話就跟產創條例我們一般大企業的這個研發的投資抵減是一樣的所以我預估是應該是會有好轉的現象 |
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好轉是一個形容詞我要你預估會有達到怎麼樣的效果我的意思是說你會適用到多少人當然不是詳細的數字你的估值你會影響到多少的稅額你講一個數字出來嘛好轉的現象那還是還是署長你要補充這個我是不是請經濟部來因為他有稅室評估好那經濟部次長你次長你評估一下 |
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稅制評估的一個詳細我待會請我們那個中華企業所副長說明那基本上我們有分析就是說有比較樂觀的狀況有比較這個保守的狀況去分析請說明趕快說明那這個影響的那個這個加速在樂觀的狀況10年大概會超過這個上萬家以上這樣的加速那至於比較細節的部分我請我們副長這邊來說明 |
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報告委員,這個在過去加薪子啟動過一次因為當時有門檻,就是景氣必須要反転我現在跟你講說你這個延長之後10年,你的評估是怎樣? |
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在未來的話我們就是每年會是207家然後所以10年年年都可以來進行所以跟之前只有一年66位的話算起來大概會有3010年內跟過去的10年大概會有30幾倍的成長30幾倍啊所以10年可以減免多少稅 |
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財政部要準備好一點好不好不要讓委員在那邊等待時間人家要來財政委員會準備你要準備好啊這樣子我現在因為本來這個是經濟部的推估那我現在是這樣就是如果是都推估的話 |
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那麼大概是1.51億1.51億10年1.51億對那就平均一年減免了1500萬對對不對目前的推估是這樣阿一年減1500萬那如果占全國所有的GDP的多少薪資多少那比九牛一毛還不如阿 |
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對我跟委員補充報告剛才我講的是因為他有不同的評估方法我現在講的另外一個評估方法是大概7.83億就算7.83億10年7.83億就是一年減免了7千多萬因為今天這個題目要為受薪受僱人增加薪水所以我們立一個法延長一個法來幫忙要讓他們減稅 |
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結果獲得了利益全體的企業符合這個規定一年全國才減免7000多萬這個誰要跟你玩啊所以我是意思是說你們這個方案 |
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經濟部過去做了四五年你也不檢討成效這麼差今年提出這個方案要我們延長你十年效果也是這麼糟糕這個能夠達到今天題目的目的如何引導企業與勞工共享獲利你一年打算高估用七千多萬的租稅利益來引導企業跟勞工共享全部獲利 |
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臺灣的企業一年的收入是多少啊?占GDP是多少啊?你們拿一個是什麼東西啊?拿秋毫要修比一座山啊?這個我覺得你們要好好的思考你們今天提出這個案實質你給你了解喔?絕對達不到效果的啦在我來看就算有效果也是不知道萬分之零點幾 |
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拿這麼一年七千多萬的稅金打算要去做這件事情加油啦好不好好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝吳秉銳的質詢啊簡直是九牛一奈米啊來那個請那個我們賴世保委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請主計長還有財政部的阮次長財政部的負稅署長來吧阮次幾位總管好喔首先我認為今天題目訂的非常好 |
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本來就應該討論了本來就應該也可以討論受僱人員的薪資占GDP的比重這題目當然可以談了跟國民所得是另外一件事對不對 主計長 對嗎對 我尊重大陸對嗎 這個沒問題了來 主計長 我問你的一件事情是你有提到 有一段話我仔細讀你的報告裡面 |
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你說110年上市貴公司財報．電子零組件．營業率大增63%．人事費用也成長28%．受僱報酬反而降0.9． |
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5574.256 |
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這怎麼回事啊 生意很多 賺錢很多 結果薪水砍下來 怎麼回事沒有沒有 他沒有砍下來 因為是他沒有特別去砍啦 那個我就必須說明一下他還是下降 他是比例下降 他是薪水還是漲的啦 |
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5607.328 |
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你直接讀一讀,你連文章寫的都很奇怪,有這個情況?你現在讀到你的感覺是,這個電子業的老闆都很慣老闆、惡老闆他賺錢賺那麼多,營業額這麼大,結果員工砍薪水耶!你看那成...四股的報酬占,放在那邊久,你這個窩點有問題啦!我今天不會跟你吵這個,跟你看一下,來! |
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你剛這是根據你們的報告請你看一下看一下這個表這個表我辛苦這是你的表是我的對你的你的這是你做的吧 |
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這個你們的?這個你們的?不是財政部的?這個你們的?這個我已經不是你們的資料?我再看大家感謝我認真看你們的資料,不然你的資料沒辦法看我,我還要看你呢?來! |
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有共鳴你80年做一次110年做一次30年才做一次對不對那個不是我做的而且那一次做我憑良心講那一次做的話是並不是一個很成功的他們很努力所以80年是亂亂做的那一次不是亂做那一次是調查調查要看被調查人的 |
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那一個配合度這一次我們是用大數據不是去問出來的是用大數據這一次是我朱正平做得比較準上一次怕誰做得不準這樣就對了你是這個意思嗎你是這個意思嗎你是這個意思嗎不是這個意思委員是加了太多的形容詞這是沒有形容詞的你的意思這個是我的講說因為是做調查 |
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委員的家庭人家問到委員說林東有多少財產你自己的很清楚林夫人的你大概也都不是很清楚每個都一樣那個是調查 |
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這次就是用大數據的資料對嘛 那我講的沒有錯啊用大數據的資料是身體的資料這個是來 請問這是你當主計長的時候做的嘛對嘛 啊我的團隊是什麼時候做的啊這是我朱正平做的以前做的不錯 打捏的對啊有缺點 您解釋出來有什麼問題我跟您解釋 謝謝不然機會沒機會了 快點 |
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沒有 你也不必過度解讀你這樣你對我的批評我不接受啦齁因為你read your lips看你的嘴巴講的話就是這樣子過去不是調查的可能有人不知道所以呢就舔一舔不準這次大書記撈比較準這跟著你講的話啊對對嘛所以就是朱成敏任內比較準以前不是朱成敏內比較準這個是代表統計的一個進步 |
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5784.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
5784.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
80年現在110年房地產1480萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
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先問一下以後能不能改成10年做一次可以嗎那個也許我們那個看未來的主計長可以不可以啦30年太久啦對10年太久30年太久啦10年太久10年那個5年那個我們要衡量因為那個要各單位的配合如果按照你講大數據的話齁老實講每年都可以做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
不過不可以因為有些資料會是那個收集會牽連到一個很簡單的角度 |
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房地產現在是1480萬對金融性的資產3809萬對減掉金融事務負債233把他減掉114年淨時A加B減息等於低就是5000多萬那個是最高的百分之二十對最高百分之二十五千多萬結果最低的是77萬所以這裡面來看的話這很清楚看得到了 |
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很清楚看得到有錢人怎麼有錢股票基金房地產 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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這裡面看就是這樣啊!看就是這樣啊!跟那個委員報告一下,林委員提的這個問題很好,但是我也要...總算講我好了!我跟委員講,這也是告訴我們那個最低的百分之二十啊,您看到他的金融負債有四百零五億,他的那些...四百零五萬啦!四百零五萬啦!沒有億啦!四百零五萬啦! |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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5911.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
所以我們就是民管委所講的理財要謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
5926.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
5926.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
主計長,你有沒有想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5970.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這是窮人要借錢過日子有錢人借錢炒股票炒房沒有可能金融性資產也很多你看到最低百分之二十金融性資產有兩百多萬所以負債405那為什麼負債405 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
5977.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
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他不是說財務操作啦,你還說財務操作這個數字就告訴人家一半而已啦我跟你講最低百分之二十他的資產只有增加3.8歐倍他的負債卻增加16倍所以要謹慎理財,謝謝你跟他說理財,借錢過日子你沒想到好啦好啦,你下去,你請你下去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
6040.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
請你就座休息一下主席長機會不多啦 謝謝機會已經很多了 給你這麼多時間呢口口會 口口會 口口會來 市長跟署長啊從剛才的表已經看得到了 |
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這個社會投資要降低中產的焦慮其實我們就可以看嘛股票、基金、房地產我們的房地產持有稅太低了 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
但是現在我們的斟酌稅沒有課我們增加稅裡面所以我們的你看美國動機的斟酌稅要30幾%這個當然今天不是我要講的重點我要講的重點就是在於說房地產的持有稅其實美國房子它那個持有稅大概一年一趴的 |
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了解了解我們一年房屋跟地價稅昨天那個節目沈副雄還講他的房子大概五千多萬結果的房屋稅一萬多地價稅也從一萬多不到三萬他自己都覺得說稅太少了稅太少了是 報告委員我們現在我們現在也開始就是注意到這個問題了所以我們也提出房屋稅你有沒有準備想要課持有稅 |
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通知十有歲,不是土豪稅喔!十有歲沒有課!對,十有歲。十有歲! |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
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房屋稅就是房屋稅嘛房屋稅2.0嘛房屋稅很低啊我覺得是這樣包委員我覺得我們現在已經在改革啦我覺得改革一定要循序漸進啦那我就問你啦有沒有可能靠一個婦人稅把最有錢的超過一百億以上的反正一百億以上的每年繳一千萬給國庫我們長照需要錢健保需要錢太多需要錢有沒有可能乾脆靠一個婦人稅 |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
對﹖ |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
中小企業加薪條例那個經濟部可以過來幫忙一下喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
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這個沒有我今天是完全完全呼籲我們主席英明特意的排案你排了案我都給你鼓掌鼓掌好幾聲雖然你們通黨立委不認同我認同這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
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中小企業條例130%那個次長啊次長你等一下那個受署長要聽一聽啊主要就是你們前面那個框框太多啊又要那個CPI到達多少啦又失業率到多少才給他改成通通沒有附帶條件只要你加薪我就給你乘150可以嗎現在就是這樣調整要這樣子150還不夠啦本期的天是200啦 |
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給他兩百啊,那個又贏才有,剛才委員已經罵得要命,就是條例把定是幾千萬,要一件,要一件,就是我先講喔,我有提案,兩百,所有條件全部拿掉, |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
所有條件全部拿掉好不好我們條件都已經放寬那至於至於那個底檢的部分我們尊重委員的那個最後一個小問題那個署長啊你署長你給清楚欸要報稅今天開始報稅對不對你們一定要叫人家填房子是租的自用有沒有對必填喔必填喔對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
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這個是要來查房東的稅是不是這是要了解一下納稅人本身現在的狀況然後如果租的話他可以報租金支出扣除你某種程度就查房東的稅了喔難怪人家就不要停其實應該是說課稅資料有多元的用途啦但絕對不是只有單一位的查稅但是可以同時無法同時查稅 對吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
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看到時候怎麼去運用就是你的回答就是了好啦好啦至少最後問你一個聽說你要去宮古房屋了是吧 |
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沒有聽說,沒有聽說,我沒辦法回答這個問題你是國安基金的擦板手,你走了又從辦公室擦板手我聽到聲音說要把你調去購股沒有聽說,沒有聽說,我沒辦法回答這個問題謝謝委員關憲謝謝耐斯堡委員的質詢,也謝謝耐斯堡委員的肯定接著我們請李燕秀文質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
6380.545 |
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我相信你一定可以好好規劃你的退休生活做一些自己想做的事情主席長你是北漂到台北來對不對你是北漂到台北來工作的對不對我58歲就在台北工作了我出家離走我知道你在台南白河的竹門國小 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
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國中、高中都在台南嘛,對不對?那你是大學之後才念政大,才睡戲,然後念研究所,然後就漂流在台北工作,對不對?所以你很幸運,也很努力工作8年之後,在台北市就買了一間房子嘛,對不對? |
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沒有,我看看我是什麼時候買的我看到你的報稅的資料我自己都忘記了,謝謝委員提醒你自己有一個房子,72年沒一個房子你也很念舊72年買的房子到現在還在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
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當時買一瓶多少錢你還記得嗎一瓶大概十萬多塊在大安路現在舊房子都他們有人都要跟我出十萬塊所以要跟我出八十幾萬謝謝現在大概八十幾萬了當時買的時候你年輕的時候我跟賴委員主席是同樣的故鄉的都是努力向上的人謝謝 |
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當時那個年代你們那個年代年輕人只要努力向上都有機會賺到錢然後也有機會打造你的夢想完成你的夢想買一間房子現在從當時買10萬塊現在一坪賺到80幾萬努力去兼課賺付貸款謝謝也有付貸款好那我們現在年輕人努力工作8年也付貸款會不會有同樣的結果我們等一下來看謝謝 |
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我們來看下一張主計長我要跟你討論其實並不是風花雪月因為我對於數字因為我大學念的也是經濟系所以對於數字其實我有一定的想法跟敏感度所以主計長我們昨天公布了整個家庭財富分配的狀況剛才你也回答賴委員家庭財富分配的統計狀況30年前跟30年後 |
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我們看到這個數據你有什麼感想為什麼突然在這兩三年你會想做這件事情因為我們有所得的調查有所得的分配所得的分配是一個流量但是我們的存量一直缺乏這個那我們跟像我跟 |
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更新中研院的租賃醫院是我們都值得來他也鼓勵我做所以我是希望我在這個八年之內把它當成一個使命來做所以我必須那你看到這個數字的結果你的感想你的結論是什麼我的意思是說我們有努力的空間可是我們相對其他國家我們是比較平均的不過我必須跟委員報告 |
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在使用這個資料的時候要特別注意就像我剛才所講的我30多年前的房子是用一坪10萬塊買那個40幾坪是400多萬我現在住在裡面它都是值3000多萬可是我房子愈租愈舊所以我財富有400多萬增加到3000多萬所以使用這個數字要特別注意 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席講其實我們要凸顯的就是其實有幾個問題看到這個數據其實前面20%的家庭累積的財富平均是5133萬最底端20%他是只有77萬所以財富的差距高達66.9倍 |
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這個66.9倍其實也凸顯出家庭的這個貧富差距其實上是非常高的那我也關注到我們的潘處長其實做這個普查其實也非常的辛苦但是潘處長昨天也講過說30年前不少南部的人北漂工作自產如果留在南部的話房地產啊發展區域不同財富就會有不同的差距他是不是拿你來當作model來講這個結論 |
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昨天分析這個數字的時候他講到說很多人北漂所以過去有自產我就突然就直接想到主計長你的案例所以他是用你來做案例嗎沒有啦這個是我的案例給他用也無所謂因為我剛才講說我以前的房子叫400萬現在叫3000多萬我還是住在主計長 |
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那如果這樣講的話那你要怪當時沒有北漂的人沒有在台北買房子的人或沒有投資股票的人都吃虧囉不是這個意思啦個人的不一樣啊我的同學裡面甚至我學生裡面他們都比我有錢啊主計長我要講的是你從事公務人員吼無論你在哪個階段你這一輩子幾乎大多數的時間都是公務人員其實公務人員 |
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做財稅也好資源分配的合理性也好包括昭緯今天排這個法案也好其實去年費鴻泰昭緯也排過同樣的法案就是說我覺得財富分配的公平正義是政府每一個單位大家共同的責任不是說我有機會我選擇到台北來 |
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那我覺得每一個年輕人都應該可以有他的夢想選擇他喜歡的工作選擇他喜歡住在哪裡的哪一個環境我們現在台灣的經濟已經發展到失溫的成長政府在說現在經濟很好但是大多數的 |
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現在還在工作從20歲到40歲的很多人是沒有感的是無感的所以我才會說我們現在經濟成長陷入失溫成長特別是年輕人的相對剝奪感越來越高委員的用心很好所以我們才要有財富分配而且每幾年要做一次不必每年做因為財富是一個存量存量在短期間不會變化很大謝謝 |
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所以主計長這個讓年輕人打造一個更好的台灣夢我覺得是我們每一個人的責任賴清德也說要讓台灣打造成一個適合做夢、悠然過日子的地方但是以今天財富分配的狀況 |
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年輕人還能說有台灣夢嗎?說台灣我們資源的分配的狀況不合理性我覺得要打造現在年輕人要打造像你那個年代86年、80年就可以買房子我覺得恐怕是很困難的這個是我今天看到最近你們做的這個數據報告研究報告出來我的結論 |
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我同意委員的觀點所以我們要繼續做這些統計資料讓委員或者政府官員作為一個決策的參考但是主計長未來這個決策參考剛才賴委員有講我覺得30年做一次是真的有點久我們不會展明應該合理的做一次啦然後剛才你回答這個賴氏寶委員說這個他們可能投資錯誤其實主計長你有機會退休之後到各個家庭平常家庭去看看 |
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不要說理財分配他們可能連理財根本沒有錢去做理財啦我要直接告訴你這件事情我跟那個委員報告一下因為我剛才錄了一下有很多人落入到最低的百分之五因為他是資產減掉負債他資產高也負債也高他負債高就是代表說你要去銀行借錢你沒有資產人家也不會借給你所以他就是什麼財務槓桿操作過度謝謝 |
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主席長財務槓桿操作在有錢人跟沒有錢人的做法是完全不一樣財務槓桿沒錢人只能借錢去過生活沒有所謂來做財務槓桿的空間主席長我第二個問題還是要回歸到今天的主題雖然時間剩下的有限 |
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我看到無論是國發會或經濟部的報告都說我們現在受僱人員的分配比較少的原因最主要是因為僱主或自營業的人呢占了15%這是經濟部的報告沒有納入沒有記錄這個營業盈餘所以我們受僱人員的報酬比有受影響國發會的報告也是如此但是主計處的報告就比較完整他說 |
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因為我們的雇主也好為領籌勞的家屬跟自營業者所創造的附加價值我們很難去區分他到底是來自於勞動或資本所以主計長你認同經濟部跟國發會的報告還是你覺得你的報告比較完整他的那個內容講的並沒有錯那我們只是說因為這個事是什麼很難區分所以在國際線的慣例都均 |
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但是主計長我覺得齁這個是一份報告各自解讀啦同樣的報告無論是今天的召委排了過去國民黨的召委費洪泰也排了可見我們對於受僱人員的薪資經濟的紅利沒有合理的分配給所有的勞工 |
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朝野黨派的委員都對於這件事情是覺得非常嚴重也覺得值得重視的所以各單位無論是主計處、經濟部、國發會在這件事情上就不能只拿一個數據來告訴我們說這個是數字沒有計算很完整那你們拍拍屁股什麼都不做去年類似同樣專案報告排了一次今年又排一次 |
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但是如果在這個位置上你們有能力可以做決策可以做更好的支援分配或我們的企業轉型我們沒有做任何事情的話那我覺得臺灣的勞工也好受僱人員的這個永遠沒有辦法享受到所謂的經濟紅利所以我在這邊我只叫主計長出來我覺得你的報告回答 |
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我認為比較遺憾的是如果經濟部跟國發會只是拿一個數字來搪塞說這個是因為我們的計算沒有把所謂的家裡的其他成員其他的顧存成員納入所謂的報酬的話那我覺得我們永遠沒有辦法改善現在我們受僱人員分配過低的 |
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一個主要的原因更何況過去10年來我們受僱人員薪資比事實上是逐年逐年降低你不要跟我拿過去其他的比例說我們過去長期我們台灣的這個自僱的員工也好受僱的員工也好長期有這樣子的狀態那個結構長期都是如此但是我們在GDP占比受僱人員卻是過去10年來的新低 |
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主計長你同意我的說法我們跟自己比就知道了嘛我們勞工的那個比例現在是因為少子化勞工比例是往慢慢的往下的趨勢的話這個比例將來仍然可能會有這種現象因為他就業人數變少了謝謝他不是事業主計長 |
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人數少跟受僱人員跟受僱人員薪資占比這是兩件事情勞工少但是我們要強調的是受僱人員就是說我們的勞工其實沒有分配到經濟同理所以剛才委員說很關心的我們要利用各種重分配的政策讓他能夠弱勢的人能夠得到更多的 |
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但是如果從經濟部跟國發會今天回答的報告還在搪塞找幾個理由來美化這些數字來去強調這個數字其實不夠準確的話那我覺得受僱人員永遠就是 |
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在最低的頂端我們永遠沒有辦法有機會把質詢人拉高跟南韓來比南韓的經濟成長率還沒有台灣的好過去但是他們受僱人員GDP占比比台灣好太多我想這個數字央行剛好打你們的理你好好看一看央行不會打臉我了謝謝打臉國發會跟經濟部請大家好好看一下謝謝燕秀委員接著請郭國文委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席那有請朱局長還有許政次然後林次長 |
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我先請教勞動部的許正次許正次請許正次我先請教您許正次今天是五一勞動節我們一起在勞動節繼續勞動然後我們為勞動者今天也是為勞動者而勞動我想請問一下明年我們勞動節還會不會在這邊勞動 |
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謝謝委員的關心,那我想有關於五一勞動節放假的事情,行政院有這個一個...所以明年會不會嘛,我就借助教育你,你估計你明年會不會來這邊勞動?跟國委員報告,我想站在勞動部的立場,我們想勞工的福利當然越多越好啦你希望明年五一勞動節就不要勞動?我想站在勞動部的立場,我們希望這個是...全國都一致放假,那明年呢? |
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這個我們會跟院裡面來繼續這個太保守了你就說你希望就好但是院還是要做決定嘛好不好是不是這樣意思但我想說正在勞動部立場勞工的福利是希望明年就開始如果有機會的話啦好那如果我就請問你一下齁最近本院有一位牛委員提一個案子說適用期三個月 |
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新資打八折那如果基本工資兩萬七的話那打起來連22K都不到我請問一下徐市長贊成這樣的提案嗎 |
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這是中國大陸的版本欸是不是那這是台灣要比照中國欸你的看法怎麼樣謝謝委員關心我想基本工資定在那個地方那以後是最低工資啦這當然是有一個標準在那個地方每一個這個受僱者他基本上就是至少要有這個最低工資的一個保障對但是他說試用期如果姑且不論基本工資的話試用期要打八折你同不同意不我想 |
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這個部分對勞工的權益是有影響影響?什麼影響?定毛影響?往下拉是不是?當然是這樣子啊當然是這樣子所以你是反對還是贊成?我想站在勞動部的立場我們這個是沒辦法這樣子說他僱用期那僱用期有很多老闆會用這個名義就是一直僱用循環性的僱用就會變成有這樣子的惡性的一個方式就是3加333就一直僱用下去一直適用下去對不對? |
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我想我們這個要很慎重避免說有這樣子的一個負擔效應會導致低新化的可能避免再次這樣提案嘛對不對好那次長你先稍微休息一下我就教於那個主計長主計長您今天的這個財務調查報告本席跟你肯定但是那個我想你們那個潘處長在這邊嘛你剛剛有說10年太久 |
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7348.13 |
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有委員說10年太久那我問一下實務上你們認為幾年潘處長能不能給主計長一個建議大概幾年可以做一次最快的話因為那個是跟他無關應該是由政務官來講那你來回答因為在我認為大概4年4年就可以了那以後我們盡量以4年為例一起好不好4年一起來做一個財富調查那另外一個部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7364.356 |
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主席長,其實今天的這個數字,占GDP的占比,這個數字我是來自於央行的統計數字這個是我們來引用我們的沒有沒有,待會我再說這個是引用你的,那另外有央行的我待會再說,不用急 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
有一個聯合國的數字人類發展指數超越日韓這是在2021年的時候然後你們去推估出來因為我們不是聯合國會員國那今年他又公佈了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7405.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
在2021年的時候呢那時候我們19名你預估是超過日本22名韓國26名吼那是依照博民總收入來計算的那為什麼今年公布你們沒有再次公布呢你們沒有再次推估呢我們要根據他們的公布以後我們再去看看他們的內容他們已經公布了我們再來做我們會去努力來主計長他們已經公布了他們已經公布了所以我們會去那短期內多久可以把它推估出來 |
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7407.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7431.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
網路上已經有了我們已經網路上有網路上有你跟我們說一下那個在那個貧富差距的部分我們有沒有改善來來來請處長這時候要請不是政務官來回答了來這個事實結果不能有事實結果怎麼樣這基本上HDI的部分我們就依照他們的做法我們現在排行是上升還下降我印象中好像這一次最新的是有下降 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7432.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
央行的數字在下一個圖表 |
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7463.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
養老的數字就是說台灣受僱者的GDP占比是43.9然後從日本、韓國跟美國相對比較人家都超過52%那營業額的部分的GDP我們的占比 |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
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這個34.4你看日本成13.1南韓22日本、美國24.6也就是說我們確實是偏高因為GDP並不是一個共同的成果嘛你剛剛在解釋當中有個別的行業比如說個案這個我個人都同意啊我相信你都說真的但是大家還是談整體的嘛GDP是共同的成果嘛 |
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所以在這共同的成果的情況底下薪資是最關鍵的嘛那薪資最關鍵的情況底下那個許次長我讓你看一下我們過去8年的基本工資的努力加上往前推我用10年間來算好了總共是32.6%但是總薪資的數字依照主計數的數據大概是25.9%但是中位數的部分呢其實才16點 |
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總體而言這數字上就這樣比較這樣比較基本工資是政府唯一可以使用的政策工具我可以理解但是它有足底墊高的效用但是足底墊高的效用其實都是相對低所得低薪的一個所得者在勞動市場裡頭分工的 |
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那過往勞動部發了很多時間包括你今天所做的也就是說青年如果進入勞動市場也就是outside如果進入insider的部分你們做了很多努力可是問題是出在哪裡出在insider也就是說現階段的勞動者他現階段的薪資普遍上框出兩種類型的人來看一下30到39歲這些人 |
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這一個增加的幅度最少還有包括大專院校研究所的部分簡單的講根據勞動部的統計我們的基本工資直接受益勞工簡單的講大概20%但是薪資停滯實質薪資負成長最嚴重的就是基本工資以上還有中位數以下的這群人 |
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市長我希望啊我們要認真看待這一個薪資的問題啊這個薪資的問題我說實在的勞保我們還有公務預算可以補貼短期內沒有問題可是低薪啊卻是長期以來受僱者的痛 |
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這個是現實的問題所以說這個現實的問題我們要去面對這些包括中小企業壯年世代這些大專學生畢業之後他沒有感受到政府對他的一個照顧或favor嘛 |
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所以我意思是說接下來你們要去處理這一塊經濟部林全仁市長剛剛吳秉立委員講到你們的方案實在是宏偉大都嚇壞了你現階段的部分的150%這個是用加薪抵稅的概念我做一個直接建議你能不能跟勞動部做一個直接的建議 |
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就直接補助啦什麼就中位數以下還有基本工資以上這一群人政府沒有照顧到的只要你雇主加薪你加薪一部分減稅對不對你只要加一千我給你五百有沒有可能一比一的方式用加薪專案有沒有可能要不要研究看看是從那一個那個那個有盈餘的企業開始有沒有可能 |
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委員的想法是租稅加上這個補助可能會引導大家更願意去加薪這樣子才有效果那我想委員的分析應該有他的一個這個那你的看法呢?我們事實上對這個補助的部分我剛有提到說我們有很多的給企業的發展補助那是另外的啊你不要做每個加分的這個作用我要跟你談未來的這個方案啦你的看法怎麼樣? |
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我想這個部分可能也要看看勞動部的想法我就是要問你跟勞動部你先講啊不要浪費我時間我覺得租稅跟補助同樣有一樣效果不一樣的效果但是同時加起來不是更好嗎你同不同意啊我問你你反對嗎當然這種加成的效果應該會存在那你認為要不要去研究一下可以做研究好可以做研究市長來許市長來 |
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你的看法呢? |
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對 剛剛委員提議我們當然這個部分可以做一個這樣子的一個用一個專案好不好用一個加薪專案我用一個Range給你你評估起來大概多少人我這算出這個人數大概350萬人啦好不好好好研究一下好不好就五一勞動節嘛我看你們勞動部今天有沒有送給勞工什麼大禮啊你至少Promise這件事情嘛我們可以回來把這個委員的意見來納入研究好 納入研究一個月給本席答覆哈可以嗎可以可以好 接下來那個市長你慢點走我覺得接下來最近很多人都談到假期 |
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這個假期專家市長在這邊啦黃市長在這邊啦我現在看到了大家有在談婚假、商假還有包括照顧假這個我總結跟大家來講這是家屬假就是跟家屬有相關的單位成為一家人你要照顧家人勞工者你在勞動市場之外時間要照顧家人的時候這是家屬假這個家屬假喔老實講喔公務人員跟勞工不應該一國兩制啦那我請問一下黃市長我們這個勞工的假期都多久沒有休了 |
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有相當的時間了應該超過30年而已超過10年了超過10年而已嗎那因為它最近有一些比較小型的修正小型的修改那不算啦我看主要的應該有的都超過30年了啦主要的價別應該主要超過30年我請勞動部好好去研擬一下 |
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勞工跟公務人員基本上都受僱只是受僱的國家是部門跟公部門不一樣而已勞動都是同樣的尊嚴不應該有一國兩制應該比照辦理應該假期應該就一樣另外家屬都一樣啊家庭的價值怎麼會不一樣呢對不對商價也應該要一樣婚價也應該都要一樣才對嘛那同樣的照顧家應該給薪的就應該給薪嘛麻煩勞動部從這部分來進行努力研究看看好不好 |
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是,我們待會跟相關的團體一起來動容討論好,麻煩你喔,那一個月好不好?可以嗎?可以市長,謝謝市長,謝謝主席,謝謝額,額,額,額,額,額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額額� |
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有請主計長還有我們的經濟部次長還有我們的勞動部次長主計長、經濟部次長、勞動部次長請主計長謝謝我想這個我們台南張了你很大的一個光你真的是我們的台南之光那今天就是如何改善受僱人員的一個 |
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那個受僱人員的一個報占比GDP 的比重偏低的一個現狀那就是說怎麼樣創造勞工跟我們的企業雙贏那針對的這個問題我想前面很多委員都問了很多了主計長就是說在GDP 中受僱人員的薪資的一個占比其實逐年的在降低當然它有很多原因就除了少子化以外 |
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還有就是說在整個薪資的一個平衡不平衡那我覺得不正常的一個變動的原因在你看來會是什麼樣的一個狀況現在給你那個在這個螢幕上面看到了這一個是疫情期間那我們看到了就是說有很多就是這個 |
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政府如何提升就是企業的一個加薪的一個意願這個當然是非常重要可是企業要提高這個加薪的意願當然我們政府必須要有很大的一個誘因那我不曉得主計長你針對的就是說這樣子的一個有沒有你個人的一個看法 |
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對,跟那個委員報告,謝謝那個主席委員,我也提供資料,因為我們都台南人都很注重這個事情,跟那個委員報告一下,這個受僱人員報酬啊,我必須跟委員報告一下,世界各國都有,受僱人員報酬的比例下降,世界各國都有這個趨勢,因為 |
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所以一個報酬的話是要說資本報酬多少勞工報酬多少因為隨著經濟發展那個資本的累積越多所以那個資本的報酬就是像鼓勵那一類的就會比例越多這個是沒有辦法這個世界各國都有趨勢我們是比其他國家比較起來 |
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主計長你的說法就是說其實這個薪資的重新再分配其實就是在有錢人這30%的部分其實已經再分配到其他的比較大的一個企業下降這種下降趨勢是世界各國的趨勢的那我們就要利用過長措施去把它這個不要把這個下緩的趨勢能夠減緩 |
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最低工資：或者是說社會福利的措施：讓他的口：薪資隨而下降：他的口支配所都能夠增加：這也是執政黨最近幾年的奴隸是 主席長我想大家就是每一個如果像你講的這樣子的一個通盤是全世界性的屏幕的鹹酥也是全世界性的那實際的總薪資其實大家明顯都在下降可是最苦的就是這些基層的老百姓除了這個 |
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三大行業不管是在工業及服務業還是在工業及服務業就是說你們把它分為就是實心它的所得裡頭算 |
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是5萬多可是他的基本薪資還是最初的一個基本薪資還是停留在2萬7千多塊那為什麼服務業是呈現這麼多的一個下降的一個趨勢那我們再看到下一頁民眾的薪資的一個漲幅跟不上CPI的一個漲幅那實際的薪資變薄了這實際的薪資變薄了當然我們看到解決的一個方式就是說你要 |
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議制這個CPI的增加的速度那最直接就是提供勞工的一個薪資在下一頁那主計長我想在這裡請教你薪水增加最多的本來就是高薪的這個30%的一個民眾 |
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那薪水沒有占的是在真正需要的一個民眾裡頭那你怎麼樣就是說去看待就是這個分配不均的一個現狀有沒有提供一個更直接更好的一個方法可以快速的來解決呢 |
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跟那個委員報告一下對於真正弱勢的就像你這邊講的D1、D2這邊有可能是要那個所謂的那個最低工資的處理到另外一個就是說對於中間的這一群人我們是說因為薪資就是等於他的那個生產力的一個報酬那我們要讓他生產力能夠提高就是也許他 |
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這是我們要給予像勞動部目前有做了很多職業的訓練讓他能夠適應的社會的變化能夠適應的環境能夠使他的生產力提高企業就會會雇用他然後這個是一個原因另外一個就是所謂的社會福利措施謝謝 |
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好 社會福利措施做得更好謝謝主計長我想接著是不是請教勞動部勞動部次長我想這個主計長講得非常的清楚了如何增加就是本國本國的一個勞工的一個薪資的一個增加有沒有機會我們的外勞的基本薪資跟本勞的基本薪資他是脫鉤的那有沒有機會就是說我們的 |
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有關於第一個問題其實這個問題是應該是這樣講這個國際上面針對這個同工同酬這個部分是國際勞工組織一個很基本的標準那 |
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我想這個問題其實台灣也討論很久大致上意思是說我們要跟國際上的這個要一樣的標準尤其現在各國都在徵詢這個事實上我們的這個外籍移工的薪資的標準是不是跟其他國家有沒有這個一致性你們應該很清楚那相對的就是說為什麼有很多外籍的一個移工他們其實他們不選擇來台灣 |
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不是因為薪水不好是因為被剝削掉了非常多那有沒有機會去改善我想你們已經看出問題了 |
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跟委員報告若是第二個問題有關於這個外勞在臺灣有所謂的重建費因為我們需要勞工嘛你這個勞工就是說如果你的外勞的薪資跟本勞的一個薪資是脫鉤的時候那事實上我們本勞會就是因為少子化了就是本勞他其實就是說在這個上班的這個醫院上其實會越來越低為什麼?時間沒到錢嘛 |
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因為被分掉了他的工作機會也被分掉了然後還有他種種的福利也不見了其實我想好謝謝那個次長我想在這裡請教我們經濟部次長我想這個我們整個去中化的這一波的一個浪潮中那我們看到了很多很多就是這個我們的台商他們把 |
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委員會主席 |
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我想剛剛我的報告裡面有提到我們有這個投資台灣三大方案那這幾年來事實上我們已經這個促進了將近2.2兆的一個投資回到台灣來有大概1400多家的一個企業進來我想這個就是在吸引說大家在提高這個生產韌性在全球佈局的時候也回到台灣來那當然我們希望回到台灣來是附加價值高的是比較高階的製造的一個部分回到台灣來做相關的一個生產這樣才能夠創造更高的價值 |
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我想護高價值高的一個行業回到台灣這個是我們一個目標 非常的一個正確可是相對的就是說在現在在我們台灣本土的很多的一個公司工廠他們其實搶到了訂單也有單子可是問題就是說他的工人是不夠的 |
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他的工人是不夠的這個在早期2000年的時候我們整體的一個外移我們把我們的這個傳統的一個產業我們移到中國去了移到東南亞去了那事實上這個工廠出去了勞工變窮了因為勞工沒有薪水了勞工沒有工作做了可是老闆變有錢了那相對的現階段我們其實是有單子沒有工人啊 |
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那你們有沒有想到說有更好的一個方式可以來解決這些問題呢我想這個部分可以從兩個面向來跟委員做報告一個面向我跟委員報告事實上這幾年我們就在提升我們的一個製造業的一個所謂智慧製造的能力也就是說在同樣的這個勞力底下它可以生產更多的一個這個訂單事實上這幾年我們那個智慧製造也就是說更自動化的一個情形增加了很多企業 |
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在勞力在不增加的情況之下現在甚至連AI的一個就是設備都進來了我跟你講所有的老闆他不會捨不得就是說對自己自己的工廠自己的公司下去投資現在重要的就是說你的工人他的工人是不夠的啊那有沒有什麼更好的一個誘因像有一個租稅的優惠的一個租稅的方式然後讓他們有辦法就是說把讓利給工人啊 |
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給勞工的勞工的一個薪資你們有沒有想過這樣的一個問題你看你在這個2023年中小企業的白皮書裡頭你說加速要突破突破163萬人的一個創新高可是事實上就是加薪減稅的一個優惠每年申請的不到100家為什麼會這麼懸殊呢當然是我們的條件太嚴苛了 |
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是 我剛剛我們有很多的委員也就教過這個部分就是現行的那個中小企業加薪的那個抵檢確實是條件太嚴苛了我們現在把它做一個放寬就不用受限那麼多的一個門檻這個是我們在努力對 我們現在就已經提出法案已經送到大院這邊來做審議那這個把原來的那些門檻都把它給放寬掉這樣子 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝次長那在這裡本席要求經濟部跟互稅署合作就是分析現行的加熱的一個減稅的優惠的一個申請業者的具體營運的一個規模那依照不同的一個規模的業者提出新的一個租稅的一個方案那也評估是不是現在這個新聘僱還有徵聘的一個租稅的優惠之外還可以禁用 |
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請一個院內提出書面報告 |
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我們待會在李昆成委員質詢之後休息10分鐘請接著我們請王世堅委員質詢謝謝主席我請我們主計處長跟財政部卵次長宋署長關稅署 |
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負稅署 副稅署 宋署長 阮次長 宋署長您好委員好三位好我們今天 |
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主要的主題要來探討平負差距嚴重惡化那也謝謝主計處總算我們等了30年又來了這一份30年前的報告跟30年之後的調查 |
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那麼30年前我們前20%的家庭財富所得1306萬當時候20%的所得78萬差距16.8倍30年之後我們前20%的財富所得5133萬後20%的財富所得 |
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沒有增加反而倒減一萬元七十七萬這個差距從16.8倍一下子惡化到66.9倍66.9倍有錢的財富高所得的前20% |
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跟後28差距66.9倍這是非常大非常嚴重的問題我先請教主計處長 |
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這是30年來才公布這麼一次所以是不是未來我們應該縮短這個期限應該每幾年就應該公布一次讓各部會知所警惕趕快找出什麼樣的方式來說斷我們社會財富的分配所以那個 |
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處長你有沒有認為應該是怎麼樣我是認為說這個不該30年才公布一次因為現在的那個調查的技術以及那個大數據的發展不必像以前那麼一個一個去調查那我們可以利用大數據來做那我們這一次做的就是利用大數據那我覺得委員講的剛才非常對是我們會定期做那個定期不會說30年才做一次 |
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謝謝你這個答覆所以那你認為應該因為現在既然有大數據來調查統計非常容易嘛所以你認為是不是應該定期那你看應該沒幾年一次我跟委員報告一下因為這個存量的資料不會變化很大流量的話就是所得分配我們每年都在做這種財富分配因為工程很浩大 |
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其實這裡面有些數字其實我覺得是多講了啦說平均啊大家的平均每個家庭的財富是1638萬但是啊各位 |
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我們有七成的家庭根本沒有達到平均數所以這一千六百三十八萬的平均家戶財富這句話白說的就對了講假的啦 |
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沒有用嘛七成的家庭沒有達到這個平均數對因為一般來講啊平均數都會比中位數高所以我們也會有所謂的中位數的一個資料這個是因為我們這個財富啊跟委員報告一下是扣掉負債有些人啊他的一個是怎麼樣銀行啊他 |
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就是我剛才講的財務槓桿超得過大所以他有資產很高但是負債也很高結果會落入到最低的百分之二十謝謝那個謝謝處長我剛這句話是講給你旁邊這兩位聽的啦我不是針對你齁你很老實你把這些數字很據實的那公布出來這是對的齁好那 |
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那個朱處長你先請回朱主計長你先請回你先請回那個這個我問一下財政部財政部你們大概這先前我們有負人稅嘛 |
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那麼你們在民國107年你們就把這個富人稅刪除掉了你們那時候就是短短的一句話說為了留財攬財吸引投資就這麼一句話結果你就把這個富人稅刪掉了那 |
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剛才經濟部那個次長經濟部一向比較天馬行空他要說這個是為了提高生產韌性生產韌性我倒不知道啦我倒知道你們財政部很韌性你想刪就刪你要討好富人你就這麼韌性的就這樣一句話你就刪了好嗎 |
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真的你說為了流財攬財吸引投資我就看了這個你們打的這個稅金的所得報告裡面這些你說啊你說有大概股利所得增加678億元可是你如果真的把實質 |
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鼓勵所得增加678億元你真的去看真正的所得名單都是這些高持股者就是這一些上市櫃營運公司他們本來的擁有者啊你流財攬財在什麼地方我沒有看到任何實質的關聯所以 |
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我認為你導是應該從你2023年實質總薪資這是七年來頭一次的負成長欸實質總薪資的負成長這才是真的不是這樣嗎然後平均總薪資也是呈現下滑 |
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這才是真的要關注的問題所以我看不出你們講的那個說鼓勵啊這個所得增加678億這個跟你刪除富人稅什麼直接關係然後現在是工時越來越高薪資越來越低啦那也是 |
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9064.132 |
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這個主計總處人家他們有做了這個啦受僱員工每月總工時110年166.7小時111 167.3小時112年到現在是168.3小時工時成長實質薪資所得下降這才是真正的現狀啊那我看你們 |
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就是我那天也講啊你們部長他就是認為國產稅收這個實質價牢牢的他要守住就對了只對富人減稅其他你休想碰好啊我剛剛就講啊你在當你在 |
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刪除婦人稅的時候你沒有說財政部當時沒有說要有替代財源才可以免除這個稅金有嗎 |
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沒有啊我跟委員報告齁是不是可以讓我簡單說明一下我們就是當時那個中華所得稅的稅率45%降到40%當時的確是考慮到當時的就是流財攬財跟促進經濟發展那我現在問你了你要取消這一條稅說每年啊每年大概100億光那三年298億 |
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9171.304 |
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報告委員我是不是可以說明一下雖然是剛開始減的時候當然一定會有稅損但是呢如果跟106年跟110年來比較的話我們的薪資所得是增加的6千多億那麼總所得是增加7千多億那麼就稅收來講的話呢 |
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經濟發展的果實都被極少數 |
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這些財團富人他們瓜分掉了嘛不是嗎從這幾個數字裡面我剛剛在講我說你要取消富人稅過去啊我們好幾位委員包括我多次談這個不合時宜的稅制太多啦娛樂稅、印花稅、汽機車的貨物稅汽車關稅等等這一些 |
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9220.503 |
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9221.103 |
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我剛剛光講這幾樣喔光娛樂稅 |
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9251.995 |
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一年最高才18億這個印花稅就先不講印花稅比較高 |
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五十億我就講汽機車的貨物稅四十七億那困擾我們許多生頭小民的還有保健品關稅這個二十六億這三項加起來啊汽機車貨物稅跟娛樂稅跟保養品這些加起來才九十億結果你免除了富人稅一年就免除了一百億 |
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你們大剌剌的這6年來免除了600億結果你偏要跟深頭小民計較你偏要說我剛講的這個汽機車貨物稅我講的這個娛樂稅你們說要找到替代財源 |
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報告委員我是不是可以讓我簡單說明一下雖然是我們當時的稅率是45%降到40%但是我們那時候有提出的是配套方案就是所謂的就是我們優化所的稅制方案所以是提高了相關的四大扣除優化的結果優化的結果只是讓窮人更窮富人更富 |
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這個就是今天主計處給我們的結論嗎不會啦 不會啦事實上很多人是因為這樣的一個改革你這個態度就是不對什麼叫不會那主計總處今天這個調查出來的結論你怎麼解釋 |
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我認為維京從稅制稅賦上面趕快來做調整我認為加薪減稅加薪減稅的第一步財政部你聽好就是要取消失業率的限制因為你所謂的加薪減稅的方式到現在這麼多年只有實施一次原因是為什麼你說要連續 |
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六個月失業率達到3.78%以上那坦白講這麼多年下來就只有一次而已這個修正草案全部都刪除了啦我實在因為沒時間那個趙先生我再念三個數字三件事情一提三分之二的勞工領不到平均薪資中等薪資者十年來沒有加薪那 |
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最重要的一點公司的營收表現好像有經濟是成長可是經濟成長的果實是極少數富人他們瓜分掉這一點你站在財政部站在負稅署長你責無旁貸你要去想辦法你不要動不動跟經濟部一個樣講一些天馬行空的可不可以 |
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9423.337 |
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謝謝委員指教謝謝王世堅委員的質詢緊接著我們請李昆成委員質詢謝謝主席我先請勞動部的次長有請許次長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
市長那先謝謝主席在今天五一勞動節安排這麼有意義的題目那我先問一下市長那這個我看昨天有國民黨的立委開記者會我先問一下在我們勞基法裡面有沒有所謂的適用期這個詞彙或者說適用期的這個法條 |
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現在已經修掉沒有這個沒有適用期嘛那所以我昨天有看到有這個國民黨立法委員說要把勞工的適用期法制化而且在適用期的薪水呢不得低於應聘工資的80%那當然就很多人就引起反彈啦那就變成說你同工不同酬啦那本來沒有這個適用期那結果你適用期三個月而且呢薪資打八折 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9515.306 |
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未來公司應聘新人的時候先幫你打八折再說部長你昨天直播這個新聞市長昨天直播這個新聞是我看到了那你覺得怎麼樣我想這個是之前我們現在新的法令就是因為這樣子有後遺症所以已經把這個拿掉了所以現在又往回頭路這個部分有什麼樣的後遺症 |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
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這可能就變成說因為僱主他可能有一點有專法律漏洞的可能性或者是說這個工資有可能因為這樣子反而下降所以就是算是新進員工進去的話這個沒有適用期第一個嘛就是這個勞資當你有相關的一些契約的規定那也沒有所謂的薪資打折的事情吧所以應該有無反勞基法的規定吧 |
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我們勞動部是定一個現在是基本工資以後是最低工資在這個之上但我們會尊重他勞僱雙方的一個協議同樣的工作的話新晉能源就打八折這個對新晉能源公平嗎基本上我們是有一個基本工資跟最低工資在這個地方 |
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主席主席長 |
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主計長好 主計長辛苦了昨天看到你們發布的新聞稿說第1季的GDP成長率增加到6.51%主計長看到這個數字高不高興?當然高興 這個比我們原來的預期高比原來預期高的原因在哪裡? |
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9616.016 |
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本來預期是多少? |
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5.9現在變6.51就是比預期增加的大概0.59個百分點那請教一下主計長如果是按照這個你們在2月底的一個經濟成長率的一個預估預估是今年的全年經濟成長率大概是3.43那如果說按照這個第一季的經濟的這個成長率有高達6.51那您要不要再預測一下 |
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整年度的經濟成長率會不會再做調整對,我們五月份會有一個新的預估如果這樣子是0.59的話相當於年的話大概是0.15增加0.14那我們原來是3.43 |
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所以會變成3.5G可是這個是根據原來的預估那我們五月底會有一個新的預估但是趨勢是成長的就對了對對對所以這個主計長對於這個 |
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臺灣這個今年度的經濟成長率是有信心的謹慎樂觀謝謝謹慎樂觀我昨天看到你們新聞稿上面寫說國內景氣已慢慢轉好但復甦力道和緩這個主講怎麼看對這種是我經過修改 |
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我剛才講的我們估計3.57也是有依據的 |
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你們當然主計處的這個每個數據都有依據啦但是這個修辭上面這個學問就很大了因為景氣轉好這個是事實嘛對不對但是呢復甦力道和緩 |
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這個就是你你你給的這一個的這一個欸怎麼講勒你不希望給下面的主計長太大的壓力就對了對跟那個委員報告一下齁我們的那個有一個很好的現象大家沒有看到我們的出口增加 |
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本期再請教一下主計長 |
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從我國GDP分片面的結構來看我們從最早70年開始看到這個111年受僱人員的報酬本來是占49.3%但是到了111年下降到43.9%但是企業營運其實是有增加的 |
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那主席想怎麼看這個數字呢?這個我必須講這個是因為我們的那個因為那個營業盈餘是對資本的報酬受僱人員是對勞動的報酬那我們的資本從另外一個 |
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那個方向來看我們資本密集度越來越高所以我們的那個是什麼營業盈餘會一個增加同樣的因為有資本的報酬有勞動的報酬勞動的報酬因為那個是什麼 |
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表示我們不再是一個勞動密集的產業所以這個比重下跌是一個會是說還可以被認同的世界各國的趨勢都有這個現象主計長你有專業的看法但是我是認為說 |
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會不會是因為企業盈餘沒有把企業的盈餘分潤到員工這可能也是原因之一這也是原因之一你剛才都沒有提到這一點剛才主席也有提到這一點所以現在就提到說我們這個中小企業發展條例要做修改這個要請財政部次長過來我們這個中小企業發展條例要做修改對不對 |
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那也是這個有這個加薪減稅的這個主軸那我看了這個你們的這個中小企業發展條例的修改那其中有一項就是第一個其實剛剛這個王思堅我有提到不過你們應該有做修改就是這個景氣啟動門檻有把它刪除掉這個有把它刪除掉 |
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過去還有說失業率要連續6個月高於3.78%所以過去10年其實才兩個年度有所以把它刪除掉了那現在就是說有關於這個加薪的這部分這個徵雇員工薪資費用百分之130得自當年度盈利事業所得中減除那現在這個加成的減除率提高到150%就對了 |
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基層員工薪資的適用範疇從5萬元調高到6.2萬元 |
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請教一下這個條例是到5月19號就是到519嘛那現在如果說是要延長的話是要延長10年就對了延長10年那延長10年的話那現在這一個因為行政院本已經是同意了嘛對不對那你們除了這個之外勒 |
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你們除了這個之外還有沒有什麼加薪減稅的你們覺得是還有其他的方法來做的我跟委員報告事實上我們現在就是我們的經濟發展朝向資本密集跟技術密集那所以我想就是說就全球各地來講大概基本上都是大概所得分配都有一些扭曲就比較就是有一些有一些這個有些比較好一些比較弱的情況 |
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那我們現在的做法是怎麼做呢我們就是第一個我們就是希望能夠透過剛才講的租稅的減免所以減免讓這個鼓勵民間的業者能夠加薪那就是說齁你們之前齁這一個中小企業發展條例齁 |
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10041.448 |
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那如果薪資呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
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心智的部分呢?有可能因為這樣子這個減稅之後調薪大概是多少?有沒有這個數字?大概15億多啦我們目前根據經濟部目前的評估的話大概一年大概增加15億多啦那如果說這個到中小企業的勞工的手上勒?有算過嗎? |
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就算我就是會增加15億多增加15億多是全部的嘛對對那個別的話那就看每一個職位都不一樣那可是因為現在519就到齊了啊那這個是禮拜明天在經濟委員會就會討論這個案子那這樣來得及嗎在就明天討論我想明天看有沒有結論如果有結論的話就根據那個結論來處理好謝謝主計長謝謝委員謝謝主席謝謝李昆山委員的質詢我們休息10分鐘 |
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主席 |
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好 我們繼續開會 接著我們請王洪威委員質詢好 謝謝主席 我先請我們的主計長有請主計長好 主計長 早 |
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主席我之前就是請問您就是我們要在4月底公布我們的家庭財富那個所得的這個差距那麼我當時呢我還太低估了我說時隔30年會不會超過20倍啊你說還在計算那時候我就想說一定 |
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這是我們做的這是你們做的圖片做得很好 |
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但是這裡面其實充分的說明我們的貧富差距是如此之大而且絕大部分的家庭事實上他們都在金字塔的底層 |
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我們的平均數家庭財富的平均數是1638萬結果有七成的家庭根本沒有達到所以就可以看到整個的金字塔這個在金字塔上端的財富他們實際上真的掌握台灣真的主要的財富我們看一下下一頁 |
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我們可以看到整個前20%的家庭他們的家庭財富是超過5000萬而後20%的家庭財富是77萬我覺得他們的占比事實上讓大家覺得更為驚訝 |
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後20%家庭占總體財富連1%都不到然後前20%占台灣總體財富超過6成所以請教一下主計長你那天也講這是你一個使命當你看到這樣的一個數字一個這樣的結果的時候你自己有沒有覺得非常驚訝 |
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我沒有驚訝因為我們這個數目跟其他國家比較起來是其他國家我甚至講您這個表上所謂的後百分之一就是一的那個在德國是負的 |
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所以主計長我們比爛就是了你覺得這樣子的結果很OK? |
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10919.602 |
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10924.969 |
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一般的人沒有這個最高最低級最高級的這個一般高級的百分比我們沒有說很OK我們後百分之二十家庭他的財富可以再少一點他們已經很多了是這個意思嗎 |
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比國外的那一個高一般國外都是只公佈前百分之二十沒有最高跟最低在比較因為我剛才講最低如果是負的話或者是一塊錢的話就會說差距就根本不能比所以他根本沒有在最高跟最低在比較我們跟我們自己比嘛我們30年前16.8倍當時大家就覺得說這個差距已經非常非常的明顯 |
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現在呢差了66.9倍然後我們說沒關係啦我們比美國啦我們比澳洲啦沒有什麼關係我沒有說沒有什麼關係這個是拿一個資料出來給大家參考這不是參考這是我們的說明我們的貧富差距差距如此之大參考什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
有請院次、林次、施副主委 |
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主計長我們有請你回去喔主席我要請主計長回去嗎那主計長請旁邊稍候一下喔你好好我先請財政部在這個數字出來之後我們看到一些學者專家認為臺灣的財富差距之所以這個貧富差距拉大主要是稅制的問題那請問一下次長你同意嗎 |
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我跟委員報告雖然是說這個就是說這個財富分配有擴大但是就納稅來講我們現在其實繳稅還是高所得繳稅比如說我們現在中和所得稅佔最高的佔40%的大概百分之0.86但是它繳的稅佔了大概將近四成五大部分來自於什麼所得呢 |
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這個所得當然各種所得都有嘛有薪資所得也有鼓勵所得我現在所得上沒有這個資料我們會沒有資料你來這邊沒有資料 |
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這個組織很多人都滾瓜爛熟了我們才七成來自於我們薪資所得我是不是請那個宋處長來跟你說不用講啦我都知道大概七成的來自於薪資所得所以在我們很多學者專家認為今天要讓我們的貧富渣聚能夠拉平有兩種 |
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兩種手段一種就是稅制另外一種手段事實上就是社會福利對不對對這是一般學者在家都會認為有這兩種手段但是呢社會福利是一種比較屬於我的一個用補助的方式但是我們在稅制上我們不可諱言的 |
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在我們所得稅裡面對資本所得科稅太少而對薪資一般的上班族科稅太重因為我們主要的所得稅的稅源來自於我們的薪資所得所以在這樣的一個很多人會認為說我們在稅制上是不是可以做一些改變比如說有人會提到這個應該要不要附贈證所稅的問題當然我個人對於因為我們過去每一次 |
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去科證所稅其實最後都無疾而終它在技術上或它在政治上的效應太大但是我們能不能夠在整個的綜合所得稅裡面不要這麼完全的仰賴薪資所得這個事上是可以去改善可以檢討的不能嗎? |
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11198.54 |
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我跟委員報告我們雖然新生所得是佔了大概七成就所得的佔七成但是他的納稅他佔比大概51%到55%左右所以其他的還是基本上還是其他的高所得其他的所得在繳稅稅制事上是可以其實我們確實還是可以去檢討來時間暫停一下我請國發會的副主委 |
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看到這個數字現在全台灣的貧富差距這麼大然後 |
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我們的財富如此的集中那麼救國發會的角色來說有沒有辦法可以再做些什麼政策上的修正跟改變讓我們的貧富差距不會像國外我們去比國外國外這個就是不對啊所以才會造成以前華爾街不就這樣子嗎百分之一的人有百分之九十九的財富我們要像這樣子嗎所以剛剛主計長的說法我完全沒有辦法接受啊 |
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時間有限對國發會來說在我們要去解決或者改善我們家庭貧富差距我們還有些什麼手段 |
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各位委員包括如同委員剛所提到的在主總的這次的調查是財富的調查那平常是我們所得面那所得面如同剛委員所提到的在政府移轉的收入就是社福的政策或是移轉支出的部分租稅的政策去做調整之外剛才所提到的我們的所得結構有盈利所得、資本所得跟薪資所得那事實上在學界的一些討論和政策討論資本利的基本上包含它在交易或是持有的部分的確在稅制上面是可以做討論的 |
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我覺得就是我們現在的稅子真的太完全集中在一些薪資所得好,然後我們看下一頁這個其實就是我們今天這個專題報告的一個重點也就是我們在受僱人員的報酬占在 GDP 的比例因為我們就是認為他偏低 |
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那所以也事實上使得我們的很多的年輕人使得我們很多原來他們是以薪資以受僱者為主的家庭他沒有去觸及一些資本利得他沒有去玩股票他沒有錢去買房而這些族群他要去累積財富他就非常的困難 |
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所以就變成臺灣怎麼樣呢跟國外養錢滾錢錢滾錢很容易但是你用勞力所得去累積你的財富就非常的困難你就會落在後段班而你完全沒有辦法養工所以這就是我們今天的報告裡面為什麼希望能夠做一些改善對於薪資所得者對受僱者能不能再多照顧一些好來看下一頁 |
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其實今天還有一個訊息就是我們說一直希望能夠提高工資但是我們大學畢業生每四人就有一個人是領基本工資而且即便他已經做一年了還是有很多人他的薪水還在領基本工資 |
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所以他如何去累積財富呢這才是說我們今天為什麼要有這樣的一個專題報告而這樣的趨勢就會變成很多年輕人變成什麼呢躺平族 |
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我沒有辦法再努力了我也不敢去結婚我也沒有辦法去生小孩我也不會買房子我甚至連車子都沒有辦法買就像那個什麼就像日本一樣台灣也越來越多會變成這樣所以為什麼今天我要特別提到我肯定主計處時隔30年願意做一個財富調查報告但是我完全不肯定剛才主計長的態度說這不過是參考而已參考什麼 |
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如果只是請你就說看看而已那有什麼好做的呢這叫做什麼使命呢所以我才希望我們各部會能把這個調查跟我們今天的報告做一個連結我剛就在講如果今天我們對於資本利得我們在整個的稅制上沒有辦法去做一些改變 |
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臺灣變成一個錢滾錢、錢賺錢的時代那麼我們如何今天是五一勞動節今天就是五一勞動節我們對於廣大的勞工他用心之所得他是受僱人員我們是對他們不起的好不好請你們真的正視這兩個問題謝謝王偉偉的質詢請接著我們請黃珊珊委員質詢 |
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主席,我想請主席長,還有勞動部次長,財政部次長,徐卓發會副主委是 |
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主席長我想今天是勞動節那我給大家看一個12年前的一個新聞12年前的4月30號也就是12年前那時候是國民黨執政當時的民主進入黨的立法院黨團開了一個記者會說5月1號勞動節臺灣的勞工越忙越窮長工時低工資過勞死 |
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要求動漲電價、調漲基本工資、降低工時、落實勞工檢查十二年過去了我們現在在立法院講的話跟十二年前差不多只是勿換心儀換了一個黨執政這八年狀況依舊如此立法院依舊在要求動漲電價、調漲基本工資、降低工時、落實勞動檢查次長、勞動部 |
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今天要對勞工說些什麼?這12年過去的這些問題為什麼還繼續存在?好,謝謝黃偉遠的質詢。我想,針對基本工資或是最低工資,這8年來其實我們有不斷的上去。你們做了很多努力,但是你們滿意嗎?因為12年前比起來,你看看喔,100年度實質經常性薪資較99年度增加15塊,所以被罵到翻掉。同樣的,我今天要問的是, |
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台電從4月起電價調漲了11%高鐵便當漲了10%黑松沙士漲了25%物價起漲然後主計總處這邊的CPI2月份預估1.85已經調升到2.03經濟成長率目前大概預估是3.43對吧主計長對 |
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所以基本工資法已經通過了4月份要針對這個做個評估報告請問勞動部次長你們報告如何基本工資法實施之後對於經濟跟就業狀況的影響報告出來了嗎我們現在已經請學者專家都已經整理好了已經整理好了狀況怎樣你要在這邊回答我啊不是整理好啊 |
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基本工資對於實施的就業狀況有沒有提升有沒有影響沒有我們現在這個基本工資改為最低工資那最低工資的部分呢我們會找學者專家組成一個你現在要告訴我你4月份報告已經出來了今天是5月1號啦你的報告還沒看過嗎 |
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今天是勞動節你要怎麼樣給勞工一個答案第二個主計長剛剛講的這些東西前面很多委員都在討論所以目前為止現在看起來我們公佈的新鮮人的 |
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主計長這是事實吧? |
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大學畢業生出社會第一件事情有四分之一的人領基本工資是嗎?沒有這是出任人員的薪資統計結果大概就是職場新鮮人啦 |
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專科或大學畢業生的薪資中位數目前是3萬也就是說有一半的大學畢業生薪水是低於3萬塊的目前為止是不是這樣?大概是這個數字跟12年前有什麼兩樣? |
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我必須跟那個委員報告一下我們的基本工資這幾年是每年幾乎有調漲每年都有調漲但是新鮮人的薪水還是一樣啊主計長你調漲沒錯啊但是整體薪資沒有漲再講一次主計總處2月19號公布的薪資統計全體的受僱員工所有的勞工 |
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替除物價因素後．去年的實際的經常性薪資只有41334元．年減0.05%．也就是連三年的負成長對吧可是今年二月已經變成正成長了 |
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各位,剛剛講的 |
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對,我們基本公司在調漲,但是我們的實質薪資相對的在減少我必須跟委員報告一下,最近8年來我們的實質總薪資是增加了4000多塊,相對於前面一個8年,只有增加了9塊所以我現在只跟你比啊,102年啊,也就是說剛剛講的 |
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蔡英文總統上任的109年的實質薪資是41437塊到112年倒退到41334塊其實是減少了103塊剛剛講12年前民主進步黨因為只增加15塊把當時的執政黨罵翻現在12年後我們的薪資還到在109年到112年減少了103塊 |
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這是值得驕傲的嗎?我們的經常性薪資8年是有增加啦有現在跟你講109年到112年對因為你取的那一段是剛好是下跌的我們是取8年比較長的如果109年到112年我們不斷的在調漲然後又下降了那是怎麼回事呢? |
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對,那個是物價的上漲因為物價吃掉了薪水是因為貨物戰爭那個物價但是長期的話我都知道你要講什麼因為是勞動節大家不要再掩住自己的眼睛了來,勞動部市長你要怎麼回應這樣的狀況 |
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我想我們勞動部有提出很多鼓勵青年加值計畫包括鼓勵他去考政法今天是勞動節大家希望的是看到實質薪資不斷的調漲最後一個問題接下去明年我們有沒有可能基本薪資有機會調漲3%因為GDP明年的預估大概是3% |
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跟法院報告因為現在是變成最低工資那最低工資我們會有一個審議委員會會考量諸多的因素包括物價也考量經濟成長這兩個是臺灣重要的事情薪資很重要不是只是12年前講的話12年後我們坐在這裡講的意外是一樣的話接下來我想問一下請主計長 |
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這個新的主計長陳淑芝也是您推薦的嗎那個是我跟委員報告一下蔡總統認識她比我認識她還近她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她的主張你應該很了解吧 |
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我當然他是從這個20幾歲就當主計人員到65歲退休是更正苗紅的主計人員來這邊就是更重要就是說他會確認你的工作他是一個很適當的主計長的人選謝謝 |
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我同意啊就是新的主計長他曾經在民國97年寫了一個碩士論文他原來也是台南市的主計長然後在台南他的確也把台南的債務降債減少百億也達到了領取債這是一件好事 |
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那主計長你自己在學界的時候曾經也說過我們政府的財政垂直不均然後希望能夠把所得稅、貨物稅提供適當的比例給地方這是在朱主計長你以前的主張對吧那個我跟委員報告一下現在的財化法那個分配比例是我當時候 |
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您已經改善很多了對接受財政部委託財政部也採用了部分的意見我看到很榮幸所以主計長我想你看陳淑芝在97年說的很清楚因為地方政府都有一樣的痛財化法要盡快修法1999年到現在我們其實每次闖關每次都沒有過 |
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陳淑芝主計長提出要修財化法賴清德總統在台南市長任內也主張要修財化法我想請問一下接下來的行政院有沒有要修財化法還是您要卸任了所以你不知道那接下來的財政部次長要不要回答我這個問題 |
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財化法是一個非常政治化的問題那我在想說財化法這一部分我想基本上我現在就跟您說我們民眾黨已經提出來了我相信各黨團都會提出來而且這件事情財化法的版本在蔡英文總統八年任期內沒有提出一個版本是令我比較遺憾的因為至少在每一個政黨在歷年來 |
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一年來從87年到101年大家都爭取過很多可是過去8年沒有主張過我只想知道財政部接下去對於財政收支劃分法有沒有想法有沒有未來的規劃因為部長會留任部長接下去他必須要統籌全國財政的分配這個部分是不是 |
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財政部要給我們一個初步的回答基本上是這樣子我們財劃法是這樣子基本上也要考慮到中央的財政的問題當然另外也要兼顧到地方的財政來我現在就念97年主計長他的主張他說財劃法要進行修法確立地方實質財源只增不減的原則要擴大中央統籌分配稅款的規模包括剛剛主計長朱主計長之前的主張貨物稅、所得稅應該提撥一定的比例給地方 |
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財政部長翠雲、經濟部長澤民、財政部長翠雲、經濟部長澤民、財政部長澤民 |
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主席好,有請主席總長有請朱主席長 |
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主計長您好在勞動節的前夕我們看到主計總處就公布了家庭財富分配統計讓我們知道原來臺灣貧富的差距竟然高達67倍引起很大的一個討論所以在這邊還是要再一次的請教主計長 |
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就是30年前的這個調查跟30年之後做這個調查在統計方式上有沒有什麼差異差異很大因為那個80年做的一個調查是用那個實際去問卷的調查那個是有時候會那個當時被問的人不知道或者說有所可能有所隱瞞那我們這一次做的是用大數據的資料是像 |
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像那個財產就是利用財產黨那個負債就是用銀行的一個負債是實際的數字謝謝 |
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那所以這一份資料,調查統計的結果,其實是很有用的一個資料數據嗎?對,是一個很老的,它不是調查,我跟委員吧,是用大數據,不是問卷,是用大數據的分析出來的。所以是說30年前可能是用加護調查、問卷調查,那30年之後是用大數據,什麼資料都撈得出來。對,所以說那個各項的, |
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請教一下主計長因為間隔30年兩種不同的統計方式那照理說我們應該是要一年一年的做嘛那這個樣的一個調查的結果他是有辦法做推估的嗎 |
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這個是我可以跟那個委員報告一下因為這個存量的統計那個是像所得是每年的一個資料那可以每年這個存量的統計在短期內不會變化很大我個人認為四年做一次是一個蠻恰當的 |
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所以未來建議4年做一次對的那要看未來的行政院的看法以及未來主計長的一個看法那顯然就是主計長您把這件事情視為是很重要應該做的事所以未來您建議如何要善用這些資料做出好的政策這個是可以給各部會做各項政策的參考這個是 |
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那我請教一下因為我們其實是很想得知這個當中變化的原因就我剛剛講的時隔30年才做很難推估那我請教像有人說這個遺產稅的稅率 |
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委員會主席 |
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全中央民國 |
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交貨財、遺產、證與稅的只有我在大的裡面只有我遺產、證與稅要不要課稅在國際間在隨界就有很大的爭論在那個在美國有時候換了政黨他的那個是什麼有些人主張不課有些人主張課那個早期那個50%的時候是根本沒有多少人講那最近變成10%到20%那個您講的2017年以後那也是財政部 |
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我接受財政部有部分採用我的意見是用這個方式所以說變成10到20%就是採用一個比較中庸的一個方式因為財富的一個對財富的因為它已經消費已經課了 |
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師傅主委、許次長 |
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請教國發會副主委我們今天談缺工缺工缺工大家都覺得很辛苦那請教您您認為這個缺工是暫時的還是會未來持續發生 |
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各位委員報告我們在目前每年會有兩次的那個主計總處的統計會有一個短期的缺工統計大概規模大概都是21萬、22萬但是台灣未來因為少子化、少子女化跟高齡化我們在勞動力上面的數量的確是會有結構性的一個缺工是,所以您也認為會趨向常態化 |
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在這個部分如果我們的出生率是持續低迷然後您說未來缺工也會常態化勞動人口下降那國發會到底提出的解方是什麼 |
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跟委員報告一下大概分成兩個部分一個是針對於國內的勞動力的一個轉變包含我們勞動力的競爭力跟素質包含結合數位的轉型讓我們的勞動生產力可以提高那另外國內還有一部分是我們如何把我們的勞動產業率拉高那以及我們的一些重要領域的就業這是在國內的部分但是有一個目前從2021年開始國發會跟相關的部會大概有五個部會 |
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奉行政院的指示我們有一個人口及移民政策的專案所以我們針對於外國的高階白領還有我們在國內的藍領移工如何升格成中階的勞動力就是外國人才的人力的一個策略現在已經在進行已經進行了兩三年 |
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因為我們的人口喊2300萬已經喊很久了啦將近20年那過去從2000萬然後一直走到現在2300萬那在這個當中其實人口的結構呢我們來看一下 |
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我們根據勞動部的統計,截至去年底,移工是已經到達75.3萬人了。那麼我們原住民的話來對比,我們目前原住民是58.9萬,也就是說移工人數呢,遠遠的高過於臺灣原住民的總人口數。 |
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那就是說你在街上你碰到移工的機率比碰到原住民還高的意思那新住民人口的取得身份證的也已經超過65萬人所以這些年其實臺灣的整個人口的結構變化算是非常的大但是我們始終就是要來關心我們到底我們的工作機會在哪裡我們的薪資所得是否可以提高那我們看到像這個住宿餐飲業 |
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他的缺工率是達到7.99那我不知道勞動部是不是有其他的解法當然你剛才有講包括如何提高我們的一個生產能力等等但是缺工率跟大量解雇的案件其實是一樣並進的都就是到底這個大量解雇是員工的主動離開還是企業關門被迫的被動離開請教一下我們的勞動部 |
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謝謝委員的這個提問我想大量解雇大部分的原因是因為企業企業他在經營上面可能有他的特別考量像這次花蓮地震我們就接到有好幾個飯店他要這個大量解雇他的員工類似這樣的情形是以他的這個企業經營的所以 |
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市長您認為這個大量解雇有時候不只是員工主動離開因為薪資條件環境不滿意也有可能是企業被迫關門離開是不是那我是要了解的原因是說因為我們看到104的人力銀行就是我們的職缺越來越多 |
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但是呢就是找不到人而且這個職缺還創歷史新高就是找不到人那當然大家都會說到底是薪資不吸引我們的勞工還是工作的內容不吸引我講一句實在話啦連我找助理我都好難找我也在檢討為什麼我找不到助理所以這個部分我看到國發會也在示警嘛 |
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推估2070年的工作人口他會占我們的總人口數的比例會低於五成低於五成這個代表著我們的勞動力會越來越辛苦我們的缺工也越來越辛苦那國發會再請教一下除了市井有沒有什麼積極作為 |
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這些政策都提出好多年了,有用嗎? |
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目前為止,如果是針對於外國人才的攬財,包含白領、橋外生跟在台灣的藍領移工的升級,其實目前績效還不錯。好,那我再請教一下經濟部跟財政部因為時間的關係,抱歉。我想要請教一下經濟部,次長好。 |
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今天我們的經濟委員會正在審查中小企業發展條例的加薪減稅方案我想請教一下次長目前台灣中小企業到底有多少員工數我今天報告提到說有一千一百四十二萬一千一百四十二萬我的報告裡面有一千一百四十二萬那請教那提出這個加薪減稅就是過去有加薪的勞工到底有多少 |
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過去的這個實施因為它有限制所以加薪勞工並不多應該大概不到3000人這樣子所以嘛不到3000人總共有913萬的就業人口那中小企業您剛剛說1000多嘛那好今天如果說新制你預估你預估會有多少能夠加薪的員工 |
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我想這個新制是會展．如果通過大院的審查之後．會展現10年這10年每年我們大概平均預估．會有高的預估跟低的預估如果說低的話每年大概有將近4000多人 |
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有大概一萬多人這是對年輕的徵雇的部分還有另外一個部分是加薪的人數如果低估是大概五千多人那高估的話高估的一個樂觀情況是九萬三千多人我其實是要問 |
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因為我在3月20號的質詢我有請財政部就是要提出一個加薪減稅如何把它的稅制優化協助的報告結果我看到回覆這麼說他說適用擴大書省的中小企業家有62萬家然後自己也說他說較無意願配合因為已經享有清稅的效果自己都回答說 |
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教務意願配合那我就不懂了那這樣子怎麼辦呢我是在想我們講所謂的租屋補助租屋補助也喊很多年了那效果都不好直到最近好一點為什麼因為可以給老闆房東比較好的一個稅制也不會增加他的壓力負擔 |
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那我們要講的是說應該是要去想這種好的方法去幫助員工加薪因為既然減稅沒得減啊那你就直接加薪補助可以嗎 |
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我們提出的方案是希望透過減稅的方式來處理那如果要直接補助可能要有更嚴謹的一個評估分析才可以那我希望再做一下評估分析齁我們還是要聽聽看各位的報告好不好好謝謝大家謝謝吳林華委員的質詢請接著我們請羅文明財委員質詢 |
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主席各位很出列習慣大家好主席可否請主計長朱主計長請主計長你好現在是五月一號五一五一勞工穿新衣可是今天的勞工朋友還有年輕人啊很辛苦啊在今天啊買新衣服穿的不多啊因為啊 |
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軟囊修設因為手邊沒閒錢啊主計長你應該是最後有始有終啊在這艘船上你要繼續努力啊 |
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我已經不會在政府這一個單位這艘船上我是在中華民國這一個島上在這艘你我共同的船上每個人都要繼續努力雖然主計長已經是快要畢業了人之將至 |
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其言也善那個是送到殯儀館的啦你不要用對話我是說這個位置即將到一個話句點的時刻你應該多講一點正面的講一些良心話本席一直關心年輕人低薪的問題請問一下主計長現在年輕人啊薪水有沒有高於三萬五的 |
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我們的經常薪資平均大概是所謂的4萬多塊經常薪資那林剛才講的3萬5那個新剛畢業的人是平均沒有那麼多那是不是主計長中華民國很有錢對我們應該多多照顧年輕人 |
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低於平均線3萬5以下的是不是可以來申請你一點補助啊那個是他如果符合低收入戶的話就是可以的要符合那個一定的一個條件而且我們也有很多的一些措施像那個租金補貼啊 |
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像那個綏帶啊,我們最近都有很多的一個措施讓年輕人避免綏帶的壓力以及那個所謂的房屋租金的一個壓力那個還不濟急啦有啦,那個每個月都發的,不過還不濟急很多的青年 |
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勞工部是哪一位?勞動部有請許市長 |
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許次長那主計長也請你留步齁因為你是老陳福記事實上你可以指導幫助很多年輕人的齁我繼續討論你就可以講兩句話了齁那請問許次長請問啊外勞啊他最低薪資一般大概在台灣可以領多少 |
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謝謝羅委員拜託有好多種如果是我們所謂的廠工、製造業那依照我們目前規定的基本工資廠工至少要在基本工資以上多少 |
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目前基本工資以上的話是兩萬七千四百七十兩萬七千多請問長照的這些外勞一個月領多少長照的部分就以目前是兩萬左右多少兩萬左右長照兩萬可以請得到 |
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長照有分兩種,一個是在機構工作那也要基本工資,如果是在家庭幫傭看護的,那個部分是兩萬出頭一點家裡的話是兩萬多,多多少?大概兩萬一、兩萬二長照的部分,外勞是領多少?以機構嗎?機構大概基本工資以上,兩萬七千四百七十元以上市長啊,你吃米不知道米多少 |
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不要說有的沒的啦,你去醫院問問看,你要挺一個臨時的長照,沒六萬沒八萬,你要請什麼人?那是本國的啦本國的,好,那你請外勞的不用五萬嗎? |
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你承不承認本席剛講的是比較貼近市場面對吧齁所以 |
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那個接著回過來就是換主計長了事實上連外勞啊可能每一個月都是領4萬5、領5萬、6萬以上那個我跟委員報告你講的那個可能是外配不是外勞謝謝外勞啦在醫院裡面幫忙看護的幫忙24小時在醫院照顧健康的對那很多都是外配謝謝好啦不管啦齁 |
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這個重點是要提醒主計長連外勞都領五萬了你為什麼讓中華民國我們的年輕人、青年人只有領三萬五有的還領不到所以本席在這裡就一直奉勸你你就最後一段路了嘛你就講講實際的心裡話 |
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拜託你幫幫年輕人嘛如果年輕朋友領不到3萬5的國家補助嘛國家支持啊國家要挺身而出照顧他們啊主計長能不能幫幫這些年輕人啊對也許委員現在年輕人我覺得將心比心啊如果我是這些年輕人喔我每天起來的話就是四個字 |
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希望跟絕望因為我在幹下去啊沒有什麼好做只好做UBER啊主計長做UBER跑單一個月可以領多少錢現在大概會有3、4萬以上謝謝吃米不知道米多少青菜比較認真、早餐最少也7萬有的拼到底齁暗示也拼、立示也拼差不多要10幾萬啦 |
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所以這造成說沒辦法啦為了生活不是為了理想啊因為沒有理想啊只是在這種困難的環境中自我安慰然後努力生存希望可以掙得比外勞多一點點的薪水看護的起碼都六萬七萬啊所以年輕人是沒有希望的啊所以我希望 |
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我們所有的相關單位政府機關平心而論現在的貧富懸殊啊已經擴大到歷史新高主計長貧富懸殊最高數跟最低數差多少 |
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那個我剛才講說那個最高最低級比沒有恰67倍那個並不很恰當因為67倍的意思就是主計長跟你沒關係因為你不是最底層的那67分之一每個人每個年輕人比較辛苦弱勢的只能寄望寄生上游不斷的往上攀爬 |
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問題沒有人像你那麼好啊你有公務機關啊你退休還有退休金啊你退薪還有退休人國家會養你啊這年輕人手無寸鐵啊人為刀齒我為魚肉所以本席建議啊今年度的預算優先照顧年輕人今年的所有的預算 |
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大力、大幅度來照顧年輕人,特別有小孩的年輕人。但請教我們最近的預算就是像委員所做的那個樣子,我們的那個是怎麼樣? |
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就是說青年有誰誰代而且有房租補貼而且有小孩的每一個人五千塊我們就是像委員所講的已經在照顧那個東西那個都是以前過去八年以前沒有的謝謝難道你要我在這邊好好的感謝你謝主隆恩嗎沒有啦我們是如果你做得好因為那個是納稅人我們應該做得好年輕人就不會亂談了啦 |
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你做得好啊年輕人就不會痛哭流淚啊你做得好啊大家就拿箱來跟你拜啊 |
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問題你做好了嗎?年輕人的薪資在目前的情況起碼你要五萬起跳啊主計長以現在的經濟水平現在政府的照顧什麼時候能讓年輕人臺灣的年輕人可以稍微緩緩至少一個月領五萬塊以上什麼時候做得到?那個未來的人會做得到 |
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做不到請下台其實國家有很多的政策工具啊我下台很快了啦我這兩個多禮拜就下台了啦委員所以你做不到要下台啊對啊我下台啊政府有那麼多的單位那麼多的錢該用不用我上上禮拜 |
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報一條給你們批判保險法146條知識修正以後從國外引進來的資金有6兆多你也可以要求這6兆多優先怎麼樣的方式來照顧年輕人啊你們碰到財團 |
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碰到大企業家通通轉彎六兆多回來你為什麼不主張歡迎你們回來百分之十的概念全部優先照顧年輕人這個你可以提的啊那個不是政府的錢不能夠花給民眾你可以移政稅增加百分之二十、百分之五十全部照顧年輕人啊你們都不做啊 |
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該做不做所以主計長不做的結果最後就是要下台一鞠躬謝謝 |
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主席各位立席委員各位官員大家好主席我想請財政部阮政次阮次請 |
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委員好次長好本期先在這裡先向我們今天是勞工勞動節我們向所有的勞工致敬包括我們立法院所有的助理秘書那我想請教我們次長5月1號今天就是報稅了報稅季財政部在4月25號已經開始激發這些稅額的試算通知那112年度有四大 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
13761.864 |
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13777.179 |
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四大新規定,包括民法、成年、年齡下修到18歲、每年基本生活費調高至20.2萬、CFC制度首度申報、救治房屋、受訪所得等等。請市長簡單說明 |
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我們今年的中國首席集團申報集團申報大概有很多的一些調整主要有四項,就是剛才委員也都提出來了就是說我們民法根據民法規定成年的年齡下修到18歲所以除非是他有這個 |
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無某身能力或者是說身心障礙或是就學那要不然的話這樣獨立申報這是第一個第二個呢在引進CFC也就是國外受控的這個企業那就是說它符合規定的它有一定的門檻規定如果符合規定不管它有沒有決議分配它就是要申報進來要申報納稅 |
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主席主席 |
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今年中所稅申報件數會比去年增加有機會到670萬件營所稅以年增3%來估計可能會落在109萬件我想請教次長說可不可以在這邊告訴大家今年營所稅會成長多少金額多少 |
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跟委員報告,現在目前還在,今天還開始申報,所以我們還能到,基本上這樣子,我現在初步的這樣跟委員報告,就是說這樣去年的我們的上市櫃的,它的獲利是減少27%點多的, |
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另外去年的經濟成長率是降到1.31所以我們預估營所稅應該會略為往下修至於綜合所得稅那一部分綜合所得稅那一部分也是一樣因為上市櫃的公司營運比較差所以它分配到的股利也相對比較少但是它薪資上其實是往上拉的所以基本上我們估大概也是略為綜所稅會成長 |
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其實稅收是政府的最大財源,超過八成全部都是稅收那2021年的實際總決算數超過2.38兆那稅收的部分就2.003兆元,是最大的項目高達占國家總收入的84% |
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政府在111年稅收超增最後一個人發6000元連續三年的超增總額超過1.28兆元 |
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三年超過1.28兆那這是什麼狀況你可不可以告訴我為什麼會超出那麼多我跟委員報告我們在預算編列的時候是會考慮到很多因素比如像經濟生長率啊或者國內外的經濟情勢或者是說時針的情形跟稅務特性或者是說有一些像有些修法的一些成果那 |
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預算編了以後到執行會有一段落差或大概一年多的落差所以在這個期間會有一些變化超增是經濟大幅度的成長或者是說我們稅制本身有問題 |
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不是稅制的問題是因為估算的問題我覺得各國都有面臨同樣的問題因為在編列到執行的階段會有很大的變化所以那時候就是說實證數會比預算數超過比較多所以就是一開始就低估了所以變成超增那這個是行政疏失是不是不是因為這個東西這個東西其實我們都是依法克萃有時候就是很多東西真的很難去預估 |
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但是我跟委員報告我們現在已經成立了就是估測的專案小組那也希望這個建立一個稅收的估算的模型希望能夠越來越準但是我在想就是說絕對不會有說人民吃緊或者政府緊吃這種狀況不會發生這種情況 |
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這是現況這是現況已經產生的現況現在剛剛我們很多委員提到現在的貧富差距66.9倍嚇死人了所以現在政府超收我們也知道連續三年超徵那麼多1.28兆元那對於我們現在最關心的我們的勞工朋友我們所有的這些我們比較 |
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跟委員報告不至於發生這種事因為為什麼呢?因為我們這些就是說時增數超過預算數的 |
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那這些東西呢,基本上如果跟特別預算加起來的話,基本上還是赤字啦。好啦,謝謝次長,謝謝次長。次長請回。好,謝謝。接著請勞動部,勞動部我們的許次長。 |
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許市長我國GDP的分配結構是由受僱人員報酬、營業營餘還有固定薪資消耗、生產及進口稅等四項組成受僱人員報酬就是多數民眾的勞務收入 |
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勞務成果營業營餘就是企業放在口袋的錢從過去10年以來的趨勢可以看到受僱人員報酬占GDP比重持續下降在2022年低到只剩下43.9%企業營餘占GDP的34.4% |
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臺灣企業越來越有錢但是勞工越來越窮低薪、窮忙、貧困差距擴大我們蔡總統說過說勞工是他心中最軟的一塊但是心中最軟的一塊在做最硬的工作勞工的付出跟回報實際上就不成正比 |
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那現在大家都是血汗勞工、廉價勞工臺灣就變成是最低薪資做最多事情然後還要負最多責任每個月可能還會被扣一些莫名其妙的錢所以臺灣勞工普遍的工作環境的現況就是這樣那高工時低薪水這種狀況要如何改變如何改善 |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
謝謝顏委員我想跟委員報告蔡總統8年之內有不斷提高基本工資包括月薪跟時薪我們都大幅度的提高我們勞動部也有推出很多的方案讓我們的員工特別是青年員工可以透過勞工部的加值計畫包括說他是進修他取得各種的證照提升他個人的這個他相關的勞動的條件之後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
委員會主席 |
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臺灣是一個過勞之島根據勞動部的統計2022年臺灣受僱者平均每年工時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
韓國1904 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14308.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
副成長請教次長調整基本薪資 |
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有條跟沒條一樣啊工時那麼多然後薪資那麼低那調整基本薪資是不是因應這個物價上漲那這個會不會陷入一個所謂的薪資價格螺旋上漲這是一個很不好的現象是不是這樣子我跟委員報告我們臺灣勞工的工作薪資目前一週大概41點多小時這跟國際的標準其實相差不大 |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
至於所謂的基本工資現在變成最低工資我們今年會召集委員會來討論把相關的因素都納進來包括剛剛委員講的物價調整指數或是其他相關的因素都會進來希望給勞工一個最基本的生活保障這我想是勞動部的責任 |
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市長,民用薪資持續增加,但是實質反倒是衰退,都是衰退的,所以我們不應該跟人民玩這種數字遊戲。國民最關心的就是薪資,一定要增加民眾的收入,讓他們的生活得以受到一個保障,那才不會影響到整體社會的穩定跟發展。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
主席謝謝麻煩請主計長有請主計長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14444.202 |
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好,主計長好。主計長,就離開這個主計總處的一個職務啊,也是辛苦啊,過去8年。那可能最後一次質詢你,但我還是想說既然要離開了,真的可以好好的針對現況,給台灣社會一個真實的狀況,那也點出問題,我們期待說政府可以一次再繼續來解決問題啊。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
今天特別召委這邊有講是說改善受僱人員報酬占GDP占比偏低的一個情況確實在你的報告裡面我們受僱人員的報酬是逐步的降低是越來越低那越來越低的一個情況你這邊也講到是說這個貧富差距標破66.9倍結果你有講到說最高最低比沒有意義 |
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那一樣啊本席先講啊那最高最低的薪資平均其實也沒有意義啊 |
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是不是對不是沒有意義啦他是一個參考的價值是新已經在放假了是不是沒有沒有啦我們會你剛講對還不對我的意思是說薪資那個會有那個有意義嗎對是有意義的最高跟最低比現在差了66.9倍沒有我的意思是薪資是流量這個是財富是存量兩個意見意思是不一樣的那好嘛 |
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那我講的是說您之前公佈也公佈了說全體受僱人員的月薪總資啊平均是多少?月薪的總薪資是大概目前是大概五萬八千多塊嘛對五萬八千塊啊,兼長薪資是四萬五千多塊那你五萬八千多塊有意義嗎? |
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當然有啊 那個是一個平均數啊平均數那很多人就馬上就自首啊說抱歉啊我們拉低了全台灣的月薪平均啊那個是所以我們每年都會公佈一次中位數中位數是多少中位數現在是 |
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年薪差不多到60這個是這個一年的中位數大概是60萬相對於這個是每個月大概是5萬塊中位數那一個是個總薪資謝謝是嗎是所以是不是其實我們偏低我們受僱人員很多的受僱人員其實他的薪資普遍來講還是偏低他那個低到是說他沒有政府宣傳的那麼的好 |
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我們沒有宣傳我們的公布沒有宣傳嗎?我們每一次聽到民進黨政府都講說哇股市上萬點多久了現在台灣經濟最好的狀況讓大家覺得說好像每個人都賺錢只有我沒賺錢那個是講股市我們的薪資我們是每個月公布我們也沒有說什麼去說什麼宣傳主計總處指咒 |
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這個是什麼統計資料給大家參考的我們不做宣傳謝謝我們不做宣傳可是你們的資料拿出來都會讓大家覺得是說這就有誤導嫌疑啊就會讓大家覺得是說美化數字啊我們沒有美化數字我們把實際的數字公佈出來我要美化數字我前天就不會公佈財財富分配謝謝 |
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所以這還公布財富分配還是得證是不是很得意喔我沒有說得證我是覺得要有這一個資料讓大家好做決策謝謝同意啊本席同意啊所以說為什麼這是30年才出來這樣的一個資料在未來有講是說4年做一次是不是我希望這個樣子但是有新的團隊的決策那不應該更滾動檢討嗎你是4年一次是認為是說要幫這個 |
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執政的執政黨打分數是不是用這樣的一個數字來去不是幫執政黨打分數那是你一次啊我們做統計指示說把適當的允當的資料顯示出來我們主計你也知道具有獨立性把它做一個數字公佈沒錯啊 |
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我就是認為說主計有獨立性,主計應該專業,主計應該客觀,主計應該不分任何黨派,如期如實的公佈數字我們的統計人員他也沒有任何政黨傾向,只有全部主計總處一萬多個人裡面只有兩個是政務官,其他都不是,謝謝 |
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所以主計長你剛有講那未來如果說這樣的一個數字你說4年可以公佈是不是希望希望因為那個有幾年公佈由新的團隊來決定我希望這4年公佈一次好那最後本市也要問就是說 |
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其實去年立法院有進行類似的專案報告也是一樣在去年的10月底也有說受僱人員報酬占GDP比例創新低貧富差距10年新高 |
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當時也有提到說很多人認為是說應該要做加薪減稅但這個政策經濟部2016年就已經提出來了但這10年過去了還是沒有做一個改善那個我覺得我跟委員報告一下政策是由各部會來做所以這個是要加薪要減稅應該是相關部會來表示意見比較恰當 |
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主計長本期最後只想要請教就你這邊要離開之前你來客觀公允以主計長的身份最後要離開講一下到底我們現在臺灣面臨受僱人員薪資占GDP的比例 |
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持續的往下低啊對那個你又講是說財富重分配是要很謹慎考慮啊那這樣解方是什麼對那個我跟各位講一下我們尊重原則上我們要尊重市場制度沒有解方對不是但是要對於弱勢的族群對於弱勢的族群要給予一個是什麼政策上的一個照顧 |
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洪委員快點 |
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14858.8 |
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謝謝我們早晚已經站起來說勞動節但是因為這個是公務人員不受勞保的保障但是我們不要為難我們的同仁同意啦我不要為難所有同仁所以還是一樣祝大家勞動節快樂但是真的主計長我們未來一樣還是台灣人民秉持著良心好好的發出你的能夠建言的建言謝謝謝謝黃孟台委員的質詢緊接著我們請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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謝主席本席想邀請主計長有請主計長 |
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主席長好我想近十年我國的這個經濟成長率呢那在2021年的時候GDP它是創了紀錄6.53但是人民的貧窮感是越來越深人民的貧窮感越來越深在這樣的情況之下物價的一個衝擊上漲的衝擊實質薪資它是甩不開的一個負成長 |
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那造成了可分配的所得呢 減少之外我看了主計總處你三個薪資的這個指標呢我們也發現個人所得的差距以及經常性薪資占比勞務這個報酬的占的這個GDP比重他是降到歷史新低他降到了43.03 |
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那你的營業銀額呢?占了36.53,它是歷史新高2016年的時候我們受僱人員的報酬占比,GDP比重是44.09你的營業銀額占比是35.06可見你的主要分配都器重在企業導致我們忽略了勞工的失衡狀態 |
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我又聽到昨天說我們第一季的平均值薪資八萬多人民都非常的嘩然那個是我跟妳講那個是總經過了大家說是因為包括年終所以如果這樣子的一個宣示沒有沒有那個是外界的他們講你覺得這樣好嗎我們也有公佈金長薪資只是大家沒有引用而已我們也有公佈金長薪所以主計長 |
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大家對於數字非常的敏感如果這美化數字連年終獎金都把它包括進來說每一個人的平均薪資八萬多每一個人都昏倒了只是有些人一定要挑那個數字來罵主計總處不是要罵主計總處而是告訴你人民對於數字他非常的敏感因為人民痛苦啊 |
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主計長 針對於目前我們勞工實質薪資的成長它追不上產業所產生出來的一個成長失衡越來越嚴重那你認為我們要怎麼應對 |
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跟那個委員報告一下就是我剛才所講的我們尊重市場支柱但對於弱勢族群的話應該是給予他的薪資像最低工資啦像給予他夠像社會福利的一個補助啦所以也是我們你把那個方案給本席好不好落差越來越大我們要怎麼樣的能力可以好好生活你們去盤點一下 |
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15068.191 |
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我們速發布的111政府專屬的短碼簡訊平台 |
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你認為目前的狀態還是叫我們人民說你最好打電話向國書局確認你有沒有被詐騙的風險 |
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那你本來是為了方便有了這個平台但是我們仍舊叫人家說你要打電話問問看他是不是詐騙的那是不是對這個平台沒有信心呢我們要怎麼樣去加強讓人民也便利 |
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跟委員報告這個這個平台這個簡訊平台其實就是政府的確定是政府的平台了沒有說還要再去求證有啊你們都會叫人家說你還是打個電話確認是不是真的還是有很多人這樣說我想是個案啦有什麼個案很多 |
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我主要告訴你這個就是說政府速發部有這個平台你們也搭上去那要讓民眾真正能夠安心我們很多的依化這是必要走的但是我是請你們說本席請你們說你再去宣導你要怎麼樣認證因為大家接到電話簡訊會怕是假的那你是不是你們可以製造怎麼樣的認證讓民眾在這一通簡訊接到的時候正確 |
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就是我們政府的是是是這個很重要啊這個我們會加強宣導這個我們會加強宣導對不對你除了加強宣導你也要去制定啊讓民眾可以辨識清楚這是政府告訴我的是是是謝謝委員提醒好不好你們去研討好不好不要讓連民眾接到的我還要去打電話真的假的好不好第一個辨識要去清楚第二個多宣導好不好最後一個勞動部 |
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4月28日是國際工商日聽到這個數字都很難過我們去年每平均1.2億天就有一個勞工的職災因為今天五一勞動節當神仙每10個人就有2.7人是因為重大職災而死亡在這樣子的情況之下日本他是1.5人英國0.8 |
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荷蘭是0.3所以在這邊本席要請教臺灣的職災發生的這樣的情況我們勞動部要怎麼樣職安屬的一個落實它的形塑職安文化你那個形塑職安文化是非常的重要請教 |
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謝謝楊委員,楊委員這個非常關心這個臺灣紫災的事情我們勞動部也是將心比心自己的家人發生這個事情都很難過所以我們要設定一個10年的臺灣勞災減半計畫我們希望特別是嚴重的像這個營造業占的紫災的一半以上那我們的營造業在他的這個高工吊掛一定要嚴格執行 |
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因為時間的關係我要尊重主席所以勞動部請你跟相關的產業去討論他們的困難點在哪裡你們該當要唆訊要怎麼樣協助把這個數字降下來我們也希望在勞動節的今天可以送給我們勞工一個安全的職場安全的工作的一個環境跟能力 |
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| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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主席、各位委員,請主計長還有國發會的師傅主委主計長好,辛苦了 |
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15350.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15371.574 |
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不會啦,看到委員很高興謝謝這個今年啊這個0403地震很快的陳院長在4月4號就到花蓮視察災情當天就宣布主計總處已經撥了3億請問一下這個主計長 |
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到現在為止已經快滿一個月了這個主計總處現在已經除了這3億之外還沒有撥幾個那個跟那個委員報告一下那個3億在當天早上下午4月3號下午5點鐘以前我們就跟財政部一起努力就撥到臺灣銀行花年昏朗的戶頭只是他們那一天不上班過天又放假 |
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15425.035 |
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所以事實上我們當天就撥下去這個錢以後要撥多少是他們要把那個是怎麼樣需求多少已經用了多少而且這個是花蓮縣政府也有所謂的災害準備金大概4億再加上3億他們所需要的只要有報上來 |
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我們的經過審核以後我們就會繼續補,謝謝好,所以現在只播了3億嗎?對好好,我們看25年前25年前的民國88年的9月21號的921震災主計總處當時叫主計處那時候是委主計長這個你的前輩 |
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當時在9月22號一開始先撥了4億然後緊接著一看到災情又再增加這個臺東縣政府、南投縣政府又再增加一直到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
15495.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
當天第二天總共增加到撥款53億當然25年前的物價指數各方面53億是非常非常大要跟現在的這個53億是有差很多所以這個部分這個是主動我是建議這個主計總處主動來協助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15514.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
那我請教一下這個主計長,這個現在啊,到底我們因為副院長開了幾次會議嘛,後來現在我也開了很多次會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
現在到底準備了多少錢我們是有匡列大概是兩百多億有匡列兩百多億那個兩百多億我們將來也許說在明天就可能成立一個方案有國發會提案來報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15536.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
師傅主委剛剛主計長有提到國發會這個很有默契就馬上就請你 |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
主席主席長 |
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這個因為現在花蓮縣政府的公務人員都很忙都非常忙所以為什麼當初九二一會主動播就是因為很忙對我知道我知道所以這個部分我又舉一個例子莫拉克颱風風災災禍重建的特別條例這是民國98年 |
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8月20日88峰災一樣當天撥很多錢我就不再細數了為了這個訂特別條例行政院8月20日8月20日就把經過行政院會通過送到立法院這個特別條例 |
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我們看非常非常快立法院馬上就審查8月28號就公布施行所以不到一個月的時間所以這個部分都是我們過去都很有經驗結果這次的經驗好像倒退了我們有時候就那個 |
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特別條例做預算的編列的話要有數據資料那我們也希望也希望也要有那個數據資料因為你有數據資料你才能夠編列預算怎麼會有數據我剛剛講了八八風災八月八號喔八月二十八號那是條例喔條例是沒有數據啦他那個是條例並沒有預算那我們這一次到明天要公布的 |
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當然你現在是根據災害防救法57條可以用第二一倍金可以用災害準備金然後災害防救法第58條 |
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然後你也可以依依算法第83條重大災害的時候就可以提出特別預算所以這個部分我只是建議這個我們的主計處的公務員因為主計長很忙啊不會不會不會這個人民的事情我會擺在第一位既然講了兩百億還是兩百五十億現在都媒體報導趕快付諸實施好不好 |
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我們現在就已經在做了而不是說要通過特別條例再做我知道現在法律已經周全了因為之前的案例所以才會有需修改所以不必特別條例才來做也不必要變特別預算才做我們現在就可以做明天只是通過一個方案 謝謝我的意思是說已經比以前是要立法 |
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以前要立法然後立法的那麼快我現在是不用立法我剛剛有講了災害防救法有了預算法83條也有了所以還要加快預算法83條要特別條例要特別預算要要要這個是怎麼要特別預算我知道我知道所以既然災害準備金夠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
主席請勞動部的次長 |
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市長好今天五一勞動節因為政府機關也沒有放假就讓這些很多勞工朋友職員都要跟著我們一起來工作一起來上班實際上是很辛苦這個假的事情可能你們要好好考慮全國可能要一致這樣才比較方便那我想請問你這個勞工節我們當然要特別講這個勞工權益的議題什麼叫做基本工資部長 |
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向基本工資應改為最低工資當時基本工資希望說依照我們社會各種的因素綜合考量之後一個勞工在領這樣子的薪水他可以基本上現在多少錢現在我們調到兩萬七千四百七十元兩萬二七四七零那你知道什麼叫第一佳績嗎基本的第一佳績大概就是 |
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在離島或是比較偏遠的地方,他工作的關係給他一些鼓勵對,因為這個地理環境,比如台灣要調過去特別辛苦,所以又給一點第一家局那你覺得,市長財政部也上來一下,這個基本工資第一家局跟基本工資,基本工資是不是應該把第一家局算進去?是內涵還外加? |
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我跟陳委員報告就是他這個第一佳績是列為工資的一部分列為工資的那算不算是你說最低算不算最低工資算不算進去就是說比如說我給你一萬塊然後再一個理由因為你在離島所以再給你一萬七然後就算有符合最低工資你說最低工資嗎 |
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15961.106 |
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對,我跟陳委員報告這個就是說在算基本工資後他會把他的地域佳績算進來是他工資的一份那所以如果沒有地域佳績員如果同樣一個工作像那天我們在這裡問財政部嘛他同樣一個工作如果在外島調過來我說外島是指台灣啦台灣島調過來啦調到金門島來跟這個金門本島來講的話那因為離島是外島調過來才有嘛台灣島調到金門島才有 |
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那所以說假設有一個人比如你們兩位次長齁那你是本來就在金門所以你就要領 假設你們都領最低工資領兩萬七嘛那我們財政部的次長是在台灣他從台灣調到金門來的那他說他的他應該領兩萬七那他是含他的離島一萬一萬的加給好了所以他應該是領一萬就對了他的工資就是一萬就對了然後再加上一萬一萬七再加上一萬這樣可以嗎你們的基本就會不一樣喔 |
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你女朋友的我還說什麼吧是是對不對所以他應該是領一萬一萬七然後再將外島的家籍就地域家籍一萬就兩萬七那以後他調回台灣他不就領一萬七女朋友的我在說什麼嗎是不我想那你給我給你 |
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我想跟陳委員報告這個有關於基本工資當時我們各種的計算方式沒有我們現在叫最低工資我們要把它講最低工資應該是兩萬七嘛兩萬七千多啦沒錯嘛你看看我們金門縣這是政府單位喔公營事業作業員的工資喔這還是金門縣合給行政院的你看那個這種就是作業員啦所以從第一級到第36級你們這個第一級的最低的工資才一萬四千六百啊 |
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這樣也能準嗎?勞動部你沒有意見嗎?到了17級都還是26,880到了18級以上才是27,650啊我們金門這個很多作業員啊1到36都有啊你知道我在說什麼嗎?所以在金門縣政府的那些公營事業作業員他們的基本工資是也有一萬四的啦也有兩萬一的啦阿你有合法嗎?政府單位帶頭違法 |
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16075.404 |
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16092.896 |
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我跟陳委員報告他這個部分還要再加上他的這個剛剛講的就是你說那個離島佳績嗎對 已經超出了所以這個作業如果今天調到台灣去原來假設他是我們隨便舉他第10集好了兩萬一千五百一十啦兩百八十個新臨兩萬一千五百一他調到台灣去以後他就領兩萬一千五百一喔 |
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16110.101 |
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因為他到金門加了一萬才會變三萬一啊舉例那他以後掉到台灣他就領兩萬一喔這樣合不合法一樣他還是要在基本工資以上所以他掉到台灣去掉到台灣倒來啊就變成兩萬一再加上六千那好他再掉回來呢 |
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他掉下來就變成兩萬七再掉回來再加一萬就三萬七所以要鼓勵金門的這個這個作業員天掉到台灣來先把他符合基本沒有離島家籍的最低工資他再掉回來再加上離島家籍 |
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你聽得懂這個荒謬處嗎因為我為什麼請財政部市長站在這裡因為有些公營事業單位啦不過你們都有符合啦所以沒有這個問題我是要讓這一樣是方工股銀行也在金門嘛他們是都有符合啦我們金門這個作業員這個沒有符合而且還送到你們合訂喔送到你們行政院來這個你們勞動部到底有沒有重視勞工權益啊金門的這個作業員 |
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沒有符合最低工資欸有領兩萬一的欸 縣政府的我知道那個成員對這議題非常關心那之前我們會轉給金門縣政府不是 主管單位金門縣政府是發錢的以後那個任何一個單位如果不符合最低工資我們來這邊質詢你也說我們轉給那個公司讓他來問你們是主管單位啊不符合最低工資不是你們要去糾局啊或是去要求嗎 |
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以目前的基本公司的算法他加上地域佳績所以任何一個公司在金門那我們講清楚任何一個公司在金門以後就是說我請人的話就是兩萬塊再加上因為現在離島價大概是九千算一萬好了以後我請人就是我發的公告就是減一萬兩萬七一萬七我真人一萬七然後說但是我沒有外島佳績離島佳績再多給你一萬塊這樣可以就對了以後這樣公告可以喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
公告一定要在基本形式下沒有這就是這樣子嘛你剛說這樣子可以的我要知道你的標準我不是說這樣子可以就是以後我招人我那一家民營企業任何企業在金門的在離島的我說我給薪水就是一萬七但是我們另外再給你離島加給一萬塊可以喔 |
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您了解我在說什麼嗎?我可以理解現在就是說可以這樣子喔?可以這樣子喔?你告訴我可以就好不然可以嗎?你要招人的時候對對我招人我就講清楚嘛以後我的工資就是給1萬7另外給李立導這是違反我們基本工資的規則1萬就符合2萬7嘛所以以後到金門區的廠商記者就是反正用1萬7起跳這樣是不是? |
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16246.448 |
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16265.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
我想這個部分就是這樣子嗎?因為有的公司是台灣本島也有分行金門也有分行那以後調回台灣去再另外給就對了你聽得懂我在說什麼吧?我可以理解你這個事情什麼時候幫我檢討一下?是我想我會把把第一佳績排除在基本工資的計算之外你兩週內給我檢討好嗎? |
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16267.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
16292.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
這部分我們請相關委員來研究研究看看好不好這樣不符合最低工資嘛對不對換第一概念的目的是幹嘛因為就是說那裡辛苦所以你調過去特別給你嘛那你把它算在基本公司那跟有的公司一樣啊有的公司很不注重勞動權益都這樣子啊給你講這個ABCD加一加就有這麼多錢對不對你們勞動部不能做這種示範嘛對尤其在政府部門不能這樣做好嗎是的 |
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16294.21 |
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16306.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
好 謝謝來那個財政部那個逐序那個投資特別扣除額的部分以前是全部69年全部免稅78年12萬現在大概現在是27萬現在進入這個升息和高通膨這個都沒有檢討那以前你看門檻基本工資以嚴基本工資就最低是8800現在27000那現在的話這個整個物價通膨很嚴重 |
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16319.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
目前的儲蓄投資特別扣除的是27萬 |
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16335.713 |
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16356.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
如果按照目前的一年期的定期存款利率1.715來算的話換算的話大概他的存款大概是一千差不多一千六百萬對一千多萬我們說的是靠利息收入來過活的人嘛但是相對來講他的資歷比一般人高很多我們要說這個免稅一千多萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
退休事實上也是不夠用嘛那有人沒有在退休沒有生存沒有沒有在謀生的這個能力嘛但是靠那個有人比較保守嘛就是靠這樣子難道你鼓勵他當你有1000多還不錯很多鼓勵他再投這個ETF啊投什麼這樣風險也很高嘛有人就是比較穩健的嘛因為這的確是一些退休的一些軍工叫錢很少啊 |
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16398.684 |
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你們這個部分是不是可以檢討一下因為畢竟整個有沒有整個已經70幾年了很多年了也應該可以檢討啊這部分我們當然會帶回去了研究一下好嗎當然基本上我是覺得還是要考慮到恆平性當然你要考慮恆平性但你要考慮整個時空環境改變 |
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16427.942 |
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市公環境改變物價也改變當初的最低工資也改變所有事情都應該要思考一下好嗎但是他跟一般的民眾就是比較弱勢的還是他的資歷還是好很多啦你整個整個兩個禮拜內給我一個報告好嗎一個月好一個月好好一個月好謝謝主計長那個我們對不起主計長主計長時間不是吧剩30秒剩下40秒等一下走路的時間要扣掉 |
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我要請問你來來我上次一直問你金門財力調整喔到520齁之前這個我希望齁你看人家內政部林右昌部長對不對要退以前里長一個半月的年終獎金對不對體察民意那個要內政部提出來我現在不再講這個我在問你的事情我只是舉例給你聽不用急你們的主計總處的陳富堅副主計長喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
在這個我們金門縣有開一個首長會議有在說金門的財力分級的問題那張景森政委也覺得金門的財力分為這個第三級是不合理的張政委有找你們副主計長陳慧娟來開會你知道這件事吧我當然知道他有叫我們好好研究我們一定會好好研究一定會好好研究那在520之前研究出來可以嗎不然你都要那個退休那個是我 |
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16507.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
今天還有20天我會交代下一任的主計長他會好好的研究這樣為德不足啊林右昌要下任前都把1萬5這個1.5個月連中獎都弄出來了那個是由我要我同意他才可以喊那個所以你還不同意來來來問一下你不同意對不對那你同意嗎那你同意嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
陳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
16525.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
接著請黃秀芳委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
16558.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
16563.2 |
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謝謝主席我們請財政部次長跟勞動部次長要請阮次跟徐次 |
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市長好市長我先就過去30年我們受僱人員的這個報酬占GDP比重是緩步在下滑那我想請教就是說我們一般人會覺得最近台灣這幾年的這個經濟果實應該是蠻豐碩的可是大部分的國民是無感 |
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那我們也看到說股市上兩萬點可是民眾還是無感那我想請教說因為大家會覺得說好像是在特定的產業可能這個經濟的這個果實好像是在特定的產業那一般的中小企業或者是傳統產業其實整個經濟不是那麼的那麼的好啦那我想請教就是說 |
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第一個我們在財政部這邊在這幾年有一個中小企業的加薪抵稅那這個加薪抵稅我想請教就是說在這幾年當中這個成果到底是怎樣 |
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成果當然不是很好,我覺得有幾點原因,第一個可能它有一些限制,就是有一些門檻的限制第二個可能是它中小企業它的結構的問題 |
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因為62%基本上都是擴達書審另外25%是獨自合夥本來就是不用繳稅其他的是有結算申報但是稅負平均大概5萬多市長你剛剛講了幾個問題其中一個可能就是要書審 |
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可能就是說這些中小企業他們也會擔心我今天如果申請這個加薪抵稅的話那你們這邊會不會是擴大疏省嚴加疏省那可能就在那個稅就是可能他可能又要補稅或要繳更多的稅所以我是不是可以請教我們的次長針對這一部分怎麼樣去鼓勵我們的中小企業來運用 |
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我們這個加薪抵稅這樣的一個我們認為說這個可能對我們一般的勞工可能會比較好可是好像實際的這個成果不是那麼的好所以是不是可以針對你們現在目前遇到的問題然後可以做一些改善 |
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所以他就會擔心啊 |
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所以他基本現在就是這樣做所以是因為這樣子所以才會造成這個你會覺得說成效不彰嗎?我們會合理來課除非是比如說被檢舉或者是說他申報錯誤或者是說他案件很複雜這種才會去抽查那基本上就是照申報核定 |
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所以我們要來如果是說這個中小企業發展條例新的規定通過以後我們會責成我們的國稅局會充分來宣導就是讓他們不要因為說怕變成不是疏寸的就變成好像被查稅或什麼之類我們會盡量來宣導 |
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我希望能夠既然有提出這樣子一個加薪抵稅的這樣的一個制度那當然就是你們要廣為宣傳那一般中小企業擔心的問題我覺得你們應該也要去解決接下來我想請教這個勞動部次長 |
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我們現在目前就是說在113年的這個最低工資月薪是27470那勞動部在去年6月也有公布就是出任人員可能是剛剛這個出任人員的這個薪資平均是34000 |
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其中有四分之一是新鮮人一般的新鮮人領的最低工資那剛剛我有特別提到就是說我們的這個中小企業我們希望說能夠提出來這個政策加薪抵稅的這個政策當然我們也希望就是說勞動部 |
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不只是勞動部跟財政部我們應該是要一起把這個我們目前一般民眾覺得說我們台灣這個低薪的這個問題能夠解決這個應該是要跨部會去解決啦所以我希望說勞動部針對這部分你是不是可以說明一下你們未來要怎麼做 |
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好 謝謝黃議員非常關心這個青年有些部分他的起薪比較低的問題那我們現在幾個方案包括說未來徵才如果說是低於這個3萬5他必須要有些說明這個部分我們在這個政策上面已經開始執行另外我們也鼓勵說這個青年本身他可以加持他自己的這個比如說他去鼓勵他多考各種證照增加他雇用的比例 |
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中小企業得到政府支持 |
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我想講的今天是五一勞動節那全台灣有1142萬的勞工那其中有六成就業他們可能都是往這個服務業那服務業我們知道說一般的服務業傳統服務業其實薪資是偏低的 |
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那這個剛剛有提到大學的畢業生有九成也是往這個服務業這方面去走所以我們希望就是說政府針對我們所有社會新鮮人的這個低薪的這個議題我覺得應該是要跨部會去解決那再來就是說我們這個受僱人員報酬占GDP比重是 |
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主念下滑其實我覺得這個應該也要去解決的齁經濟的這個果實經濟豐碩的這個果實應該是企業主跟所有的勞工一起分享的啦好不好好我們一起來鼓勵謝謝謝謝黃雄煌委員質詢緊接著請何欣淳委員何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在謝亦鳳委員謝亦鳳委員謝亦鳳委員謝亦鳳委員不在鄭志前委員鄭志前委員鄭志前委員不在游皓游皓游皓游皓委員不在賴玉珍委員賴玉珍委員賴玉珍委員不在 |
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今天登記發言委員均與詢答完畢本次會議做如下決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員諮詢及 |
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委員質詢為其答覆或請補充資訊,請相關部會於一周內以書面答覆,委員另有要求期限從其所定。委員陳冠廷所提書面質詢,列入紀錄刊登公報,並請相關部會以書面答覆。 |
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本次會議議程已進行完畢,堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢,一併列入紀錄,刊登公報,並請議事人員協志處理。散會。祝大家勞動節快樂! |
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法定人數不足 |